oooof yea
#afk-lore
tawny gust
trim shell
They did already consume him
tawny gust
but you know how it could’ve been avoided
trim shell
And were trying to manipulate him by saying "daddy" or sumn
Which is kinda why luc felt so sad
tawny gust
if he’d checked up on his wife and found out they had a son then removed them from a dangerous situation of having to rely on a cult
tawny gust
;-;
quasi leaf
i mean if it was that fast for adult lucretia to transforn into a demon then a child owain could've transformed in a flash.
trim shell
Nah he was already consumed when he got there
But that isn't the issue
The issue is everything before that
safe ruin
Zaph kinda stronk in lore tho, fighting mezoth before even becoming a god
tawny gust
well he didn’t get vored and die
trim shell
Or even if it was a real fight
Or if that was full power Mezoth or just a grunt/clone or sumn
gritty trail
I mean, if this is a war we are talking about, then it happened a LONG time ago, when hypogeans were barely created
I wouldn't say that's a fake Mezoth
trim shell
Idk but real Mezoth is v powerful
tawny gust
here comes arii
mossy parcel
Ye Mezoth wouldve probably been much younger when that happened, which leads to the possibility that he wasnt as powerful as he was in lore
HAHSBE WHAT DID YOU EXPECT
tawny gust
I read mezoth and knew you would be close behind
trim shell
Bruh if u say Mezoth three times looking into a mirror
mossy parcel
Im glad you knew
mossy parcel
Yes
tawny gust
hsjsnsjsjsjsw
mossy parcel
I'm a ghost zombie thing now, if I hear Mezoth I will appear
I also expect pings anytime hypos are mentioned here smfh
quasi leaf
Idk but real Mezoth is v powerful
Mezoth can technically be summoned again (case in point: his lore)
tawny gust
mezotu sounds very anime
mossy parcel
Vee
trim shell
@mossy parcel someone mentioned a hypo
mossy parcel
Thank you for the idea
quasi leaf
but yes. if it's that long, and Zaph might've won, it can explain why Mezoth is trapped as an idle and needed a body to resurrect again in his lore. Mezoth is stronger when with a following anywaus
mossy parcel
People I lore: trying to have a conversation
Me: yes but Mezoth
Btw there wasn't any actual confirmation in the lore (at least the English version) on why and how or if he possessed the person
tawny gust
because the guy was like
last man standing
went insane
got convenient stomach gash
mossy parcel
I remember in the jp version Reg said it was outright said he was possessed, but they didnt do that for the English version
I think it was implied a bit, but yknow
quasi leaf
english speaking people aren't strong enough for that knowlegde
mossy parcel
Vee
Give the knowledge
But also (once again, in the fumcng annoying English version) they didnt reveal why he needed the body
tawny gust
flesh body more convenient than smol wood body
trim shell
He needed a new one
mossy parcel
Ye I assumed something like that
But I'm curious if hypos can hold consciousness over creatures and that sort of thing
I think it was Bruja who has a hc where Zolrath could do something like that
Her and Reg?
Based off that I'm curious of the possibility of Mezoth doing something similar, only taking full consciousness, patterns with the host, how long he can stay in the body, and how it will affect the body
I'm just saying random shit again ignore me
tawny gust
:00
distant idol
i still support my cthuluzoth headcanon
safe ruin
Wait so the guy writing the journal in mezoths lore got possessed at the end?
safe ruin
Ahh
elfin tinsel
Wait so the guy writing the journal in mezoths lore got possessed at the end?
@safe ruin
He became the mezozth
safe ruin
Lol sounds nice
gritty trail
Mezoth can technically be summoned again (case in point: his lore)
I mean, any hypogean can, Zolrath was ressurected by a village we saved in depths of time voyage, Azmonath ressurected himself because of a curious boy who went into Azmonath's hidden knowledge, and yeah Mezoth
quasi leaf
I mean, I'm not saying anyone can't i just said that in defense that if ever Zaphrael did slain Mezoth in the trailer, the possibility of coming back again is possible
the twin terrors in Lucretia's lore is another example of this btw.
spice mulch
Mezoth exists like a parasitic entity
Most hypogeans are made from Anih's blood
Except Kane and Lucretia which turned into
spice mulch
He's kinda in the middle ground
mossy parcel
👀
trail kite
i made them a long time ago...started by a joke that i made for the ads
then...it's become au, Other side au
mossy parcel
The ads are so odd and confusing
trail kite
pretty confusing for me...and I made some of them are OOC
And make them die or crazy
Or... Turn into some dark thing like shadow... Not belong to any faction
mossy parcel
I know theres the possibility to make them darker but to be honest my mind keeps going to that one ad where Belinda needed to shit
trail kite
I downloaded some bad ads for idea
That's... Gross when flashback again
Other side is like cope au
trim shell
Don't the ads get made by other companies
trail kite
Example like...Empty space
It's mess also you will see your favorite characters suffered in the au
Even I like Baden... I still make him suffered
quasi leaf
Did a color test for my OC. This will take days 
trail kite
I thought about Ferronn wedding again
Two opposite faction... Bonding with each other
Two different kinds... Be together
desert whale
I sympathize with lucr
long wadi
Honestly it seems like the cele's have revealed their true colors after Dura was killed, showing that they never intended to protect humanity, just lord over them and have those that don't conform to their ideals purged
No wonder the Hypos are winning
vapid musk
Well, honestly, I dont think that Zaph really that bad
mossy parcel
Isnt that just Athalias whole character lore wise
trim shell
Zaph was bad
mossy parcel
Shes a character meant to represent justice but fails at that, which is shown by Rosa's dead village
long wadi
From what I've seen, Zaph is just like Athalia
trim shell
His wife spent like all day taking care of him/the house
And didnt ask for anything
And he still abandoned her for 6+ years
trim shell
And never checked on her, not even once
long wadi
He left his wife and unborn child alone, then came back to rob his wife of the last thing she had left
mossy parcel
I think what Zaph did can be justified to a certain extent, while Athalia is just completely missing the point
safe ruin
exactly
trim shell
Tbf the son had to die
safe ruin
zaph is gey
long wadi
I'm sure there was some other way Zaph coukd have done it but chose to kill
trim shell
But it could've been avoided if he took care of his family
I'm pretty sure he had to kill
mossy parcel
What if there wasnt another way, or if he wasnt aware
mossy parcel
Ye, theres not much he could do
trim shell
But still fuck him
long wadi
For all their power, the celestials only seem to prefer killing
mossy parcel
Exactly!!
trim shell
Like if u cared enough to fuck her u could at least make sure she's safe
safe ruin
killing is the easy way
mossy parcel
And this is why hypos are better
trim shell
He didn't even know he had a kid until the end
tawny gust
excuse me
vapid musk
But ugh
he didnt want really this family and you know, Hypo made some shit in his childhood
trim shell
Since he literally never checked on her
mossy parcel
You heard me you monkey fucker
safe ruin
so killing the son is def easier than trying to save hm
tawny gust
JAJSJCBAJA
trim shell
@vapid musk he cared enough to fuck her
safe ruin
they fucked too
vapid musk
@vapid musk he cared enough to fuck her
@trim shell Well its his only fatal chose
safe ruin
?
mossy parcel
Flora cult
trim shell
And it's a bad move to never check on her once
tawny gust
flora cult isn’t canon
mossy parcel
Shhh
trim shell
@vapid musk?
tawny gust
..yet
mossy parcel
Now it is
long wadi
He basically told his wife "fuck you, I'm a god now, you no longer matter to me"
vapid musk
choise
mossy parcel
That's not quite what he did
vapid musk
just becuse he couldnt say no
trim shell
Like at least have an underlying watch over them or sumn
safe ruin
he was kind of pressured into marrying
zaph could be gay before marrying lucretia for all i know
trim shell
Maybe
long wadi
Imagine what Dura would think if some how she was brought back, seeing all that her celestials have done to Esperia
trim shell
I think tho he obviously put something into their relationship
Since he had sex with her
trim shell
Why
safe ruin
gawd
trim shell
Oh ok
tawny gust
you can have sex with someone without being attracted to them
mossy parcel
Sex isnt some horrible word-
trim shell
True but like
tawny gust
don’t yoy hear all the stories of men coming out as gay even though they’re married to a woman and upending shit
it’s v complicated
mossy parcel
Ye exactly Wheelie
trim shell
The point I'm trying to make is that he completely abandoned and ignored Lucretia after marrying/having a kid
long wadi
I'll be siding with Lucretia in this fight
tawny gust
ye
trim shell
Like at the very least check on her from time to time
tawny gust
apparently the celes took him so far away that communication was cut
mossy parcel
He can marry Orthros or something
vapid musk
honestly they too boring for me lol
kind olive
arii, deciding that zaph is gay
tawny gust
why not wukong
mossy parcel
good point
tawny gust
that’s just what the lore said
mossy parcel
H
kind olive
but i cant draw guys so not me
mossy parcel
Neither can I,,,
tawny gust
i can’t either 
trim shell
Like I think the whole "he was pressured into marrying her" thing is a bit weak
kind olive
i am physically unable to
trim shell
Like ofc people would want him to say yes
But if ur not interested then don't commit to a relationship
tawny gust
public proposals suck ngl
mossy parcel
H gtg but I will be writing a paragraph or a few on why what he did is not too bad later
tawny gust
you’ll look like an ass if you say no
long wadi
Honestly this is why even the lightbearers are losing ground to both the maulers and the graveborn
trim shell
As much as a confession that she loved him
long wadi
They soend more time killing each other in Dura's name
tawny gust
so he said yes bc peer pressure despite not really loving luce
i don’t think he even really knew her that well
trim shell
Truw
I still feel like 1. Luc is completely justified and 2. Zaph is kind of a dick for never contacting her
safe ruin
ahh luc's hypogean is called the twin terrors
tawny gust
ye
safe ruin
so the two skulls near her is the hypogean possessing her
that explains why when they leave luc turns back to human
trim shell
Mhm
slim ore
i mean when god herself comes down and tells u "hey time to go murder demons"
i feel like i cant really fault anyone for getting caught up in that
long wadi
God said murder demons, not humans
slim ore
w
long wadi
The celestials seem to not care
slim ore
?? idk man it's an exaggeration the point is dura came down and say "yo i want u to join the army"
she uncle sam'd him except she's their literal deity so it's infinitely more overwhelming, i would think
long wadi
My point is that the celestials seem to prefer killing humans over hypogeans
slim ore
that's
completely irrelevent to what im saying
so
setting that aside
what i was saying was that like, given those circumstances
i cant really blame him for remaining distant, even if he had a kid
desert whale
the son was too far gone, but zaph could have stayed a little longer to console luc.
zaph problem is that he is so focused on fighting, he his indifferent to the suffering of others
safe ruin
his human side probably died the moment his parents were murdered
and the rest of him is just killing hypogeans
desert whale
he should have never married
slim ore
that seems to be the standard with celestials, but my point remains that given that he was basically yoinked by that group. im not like... 100% faulting or not faulting him for being distant
but yeah he shouldn't have married to being with tbh
safe ruin
yeah
slim ore
where u cant really say no
safe ruin
yep
slim ore
so she didn't think about his feelings much either, i think
safe ruin
he was pressured into marrying luc lol
desert whale
i didnt see
slim ore
forcing someone into a crowd so u can marry them is kinda shitty
safe ruin
technically she thought he was dying so might as well propose
no he was badly injured to a point where he could possibly die lol
so luc thought this was the last chance to confess
slim ore
ah icey
safe ruin
turns out zaph didnt die so they got marrid
slim ore
so did she confess or propose
bc confessing might lead to dating, whereas proposing is like
"marry me while u bleed out on the ground"
slim ore
i mean either way he was pressured into it, probably
or at least that's the vibe im getting
safe ruin
yeah
slim ore
it's sounding like luc had like
an idealized image of him?
rather than looking at him in reality
correct me if im wrong ofc but the vibe im getting is that she had Hot Guy Blinders™️ on, if he ended up pressured to marry her rather than 100% all about it
slim ore
so definitely Hot Guy Blinders™️
and a savior complex
im getting keanu reeves and sandra bullock Speed vibes
safe ruin
so animey amirite
slim ore
i dont understand that but im certain it's funny if u do
trim shell
Yeah she was in love with him bc he saved her life when she was 13
slim ore
i am uncultured so i get like 4 references
trim shell
And she confessed, not proposed
So imo the other ppl who pressured him are kinda to blame
safe ruin
yah mia's the lore expert apparently
slim ore
so it's definitely sounding like she had an idealized version of him in her head, rather than who he really was
tawny gust
yknow we can always just blame the twin terrors as well
safe ruin
if they stayed alive, zaph might be more humanlike
trim shell
And literally never being there for them
slim ore
which is.. partly on her? i dont wanna say it a ton bc i do get that sort of infatuation but also like fam dog c'mon at least try to get to know him
trim shell
Idk why they married so fast
slim ore
yeah he probably should've stepped up but if he felt pressured into the marriage and kid i do understand why he just dipped
trim shell
She just confessed, not proposed
slim ore
outside pressure probably
trim shell
But luc I feel is pretty blameless
slim ore
i can't say 100% luc pushed for it but i wouldn't be shocked if she did
trim shell
I mean he was also an awful husband
safe ruin
awful? he didnt even act like a husband
trim shell
And we know he liked her enough to like
slim ore
when u idealize someone like that it makes it very difficult for both u and them to move on
trim shell
Have a kid with her
safe ruin
married zaph and single zaph in lore felt like the exact same person
trim shell
Which admittedly doesn't prove much
safe ruin
all he does everyday is fight in wars
mossy parcel
Why would you expect someone to act like a husband when they may have not wanted to be one in the first place
safe ruin
not that he ever gave a fuck about his wife at home lol
trim shell
Zaph's story doesn't even mention his wife
slim ore
zaph is an asshole, kinda, but also when u think abt how
he probably didn't even want that life
mossy parcel
He's a bit of an ass, but he isnt horrible
trim shell
Zaph acted like a dick, but he also didn't want to be in the situation
slim ore
it's not entirely on him when he didn't ask for this, just got forced into it
trim shell
I feel like at a certain point he should've taken responsibility
mossy parcel
I actually feel bad for him, he didnt want that life yet he was given it
trim shell
But he's not awful anymore
slim ore
if we're pointing fingers specifically, i feel like it's more so because they Live In A Society more than either individual
tawny gust
slim ore
like yeah zaph was a dick but also: forced into this situation and would not have been there if he wasn't forced to
trim shell
True
slim ore
that's sort of the point, sort of not
trim shell
I also feel like it's kinda clear that she understood that zaph wouldn't really love her
Since she did like everything
slim ore
im not really putting it a ton on either individual beacuse ultimately they were foreced together
trim shell
In the house
slim ore
when they shouldn't have been
like luc was crushing on him real bad but if it hadn't been for the crowd being like YO BRUH U BETTER TAP THAT they wouldn't have been in the situation in the first place
i say luc only because of the sort of... naive ignorance, i suppose, it would take for u not to realize that putting the pressure of a crowd on someone, or rushing into things with someone that u may not know super well is bound to end poorly
trim shell
Yeah
slim ore
it's not a malicious fault, or even necessarily like... blame, per se
trim shell
Mhm
I guess what I tend to focus on when I say I dislike zaph is how he acted after that
Like ofc he was pressured into it but instead of like
Taking responsibility in any way he just
Let the relationship continue
Even had a kid with her
slim ore
i do think he should've stepped up, but i also understand why he didn't
trim shell
Yeah
slim ore
bc a) having a kid with someone u dont want is gay guy/gay girl anthem
so having kids isn't really a decider
esp in the era esperia is in where ur expected to have kids
not that zaph is gay but u 1000% can have kids with people while still not wanting them or children with them
letting the relationship continue was 100% shitty but also likely a result of societal pressure
divorce in those days was unheard of and like
luc being divorced would've ruined her for a future market, i think
like it's just Not A Thing you did back then, yknow?
trim shell
True
slim ore
zaph's behavior, while shitty, is still like... basically him dealing with the stress in the only way he knows how: ignoring it
denial is indeed a form of coping, albeit a maladaptive one
trim shell
Yeah
slim ore
im p sympathetic towards him if u cant tell lol
he's 1000% an asshole for the way he handled things, esp. after having a child
but also boy do i feel the pain of being pressured into doing things that you dont want to do and then having to like
just go along with what that entails
trim shell
Yup
slim ore
it's the reverse of what usually happens irl i just realized
remote vortex
but also boy do i feel the pain of being pressured into doing things that you dont want to do and then having to like
@slim ore Sorta
I find it weird how his biggest mistake was essentially him going "yeah I don't like this girl but everyone's so happy right now it'd ruin the mood if I sad I didn't like her back"
Then he goes straight back into purging hypogean mode and nearly completely ignores Lucretia
Like that's his one major screw up
Every other time he just acts like typical fervant Dura believer
long wadi
And now he's all like "lmao f*ck all you mortals I'm a god now, bow before me"
trim shell
I mean, like, athalia, he has always been disliking of humans
Even before he ascended
long wadi
They both need to go away, let Flora set the example for celestials
Seeing the lore, they're basically the ones being worshipped, not Dura
trim shell
True
long wadi
This is why I side with the wilders
vocal portal
Same here
gritty trail
Every other time he just acts like typical fervant Dura believer
Yep and after he did kill his son and such, he now had the belief that "fuck all, if its evil its evil, and I will kill it because evil" he's basically become a male version of Cecilia
Except he's a celestial and only Hypogeans can rival against that in terms of power
mint pagoda
So her child was fed to hypo, when he's about to become the vessel, Zaph apear and well... Zapped the child to dust. The hypo without a vessel took the opportunity of Luc hatred toward her husband at the time, enter her body?
gritty trail
Yep
quasi leaf
that is the summary yes
mint pagoda
I mean, he's a terrible husband and father, but honestly he was just doing his job 
Unless, there's a way to save the child, his actions were justify
gritty trail
Problem is, he later gave himself the mindset evil is evil, and it has to be killed without hesitation
long wadi
Like I said, for all their godly powers, they don't seem to be able to do much besides kill
Makes you wonder who the real evil is
gritty trail
He had hesitation still, but after that he became fully committed
mint pagoda
Hypo is out to destroy the world no?
long wadi
The irony is that their utter disregard for humans is entirely the opposite of what Dura intended
gritty trail
Hypo is out to destroy the world no?
Yeah but celestials are also committing mistakes on their part. What good does it do you if the people you save are treated like shite?
long wadi
Celestials were created to protect humanity, instead they've forsaken humanity
vocal portal
But some make them look bad
tawny gust
is it a coincidence that the two who started off human suck the most comparatively
long wadi
Even worse that they're the ones that are followed
tawny gust
aren’t all the celes followed?
long wadi
Like Athalia has the inquisition
distant idol
they arent all gods
gritty trail
Orthros Flora and Elijah & Lailah are alright
distant idol
theyre deities
gritty trail
Talene and Wu Kong are nuetral
vocal portal
True
distant idol
i dont think wukong has a big following if any at all
gritty trail
And rest is yea, bad
trim shell
Zaph is a god
distant idol
hes just powerful enough to be considered a deity
trim shell
He replaced like the god of thunder or sumn
vocal portal
Like thor
distant idol
i havent read zaphs lore yet so idk about that
but if orthros isnt a god i doubt saph is
trim shell
It says in the lore iirc
gritty trail
Orthros is moreso a keeper of time
long wadi
Funny that Athalia has a voiceline that says "the world shall not fall on this day" and yet she demands "sinners" and those that aide them be purged from the world, she's doing a great job of ensuring the world does fall
vocal portal
Lmfao
mint pagoda
Depends on what she means by sinners
mint pagoda
And what are sins in the lore
vocal portal
They're just sticks
long wadi
The worst part is that all it takes is for you to be accused and you get the salem special
distant idol
yeah i mean it's literally the inquisition
long wadi
Like in Rosa's lore, who's to say that the group of refugees truly were cultists and not people from another village destroyed by the inquisition, trying to find safety from the murderous mob
mint pagoda
distant idol
well the refugees werent innocent
trim shell
Like shouldn't Cecilia get killed for associating with the cultists
distant idol
the townspeople were
trim shell
Since she kills them
mint pagoda
They can't filter out the innocents
distant idol
no since her affiliation is stopping them
long wadi
The inquisitors only claimed that, nothing good comes from enacting scorched earth policy
vocal portal
That's mass murder
trim shell
Yup
long wadi
They seek to rid the world of darkness and yet continue to replenish the ranks of evil
trim shell
And athalia does nothing about it
distant idol
athalia wants that
trim shell
Since she doesn't care about humans
long wadi
This is why Wilders are the best faction
vocal portal
I wonder how the people think of that
long wadi
Yes they belive in Dura but they aren't zealous and don't actively seek to kill others
vocal portal
Mailers and wilders are great factions
distant idol
maulers better than wilders tho
vocal portal
Maulets
trim shell
Maulers kinda kill ppl tho
vocal portal
Stupid autocorrect
distant idol
yes but
trim shell
Do we know why the war is going on
long wadi
There's only a few maulers I like
distant idol
maulers are cuter
mint pagoda
All of them has flaws
distant idol
maulers are flawless wdym
mint pagoda
Oof, you're right, mb
distant idol
i know
kind olive
im not contributing to the convo but maulers are great
distant idol
thank you
kind olive
you are very welcome
vocal portal
They cost money wdym perfect
kind olive
-fortnite default dances back into the pits of hell-
tawny gust
goes for most maulers too
long wadi
Satrana is best mauler
distant idol
oh god imagine fornited dimensionals
tawny gust
i agree
vocal portal
Santana best girl ngl
kind olive
but have you considered:
✨ M E H I R A ✨
tawny gust
no flora best girl
distant idol
fuck flora
kind olive
yes i wanna
tawny gust
I will
vocal portal
Mehira kinda thot
trim shell
Luc is best girl
kind olive
b-but mehira
mint pagoda
Still, Zaph is a bad parents and SO, but he's just doing his job, Luc love her child but has no understand for her husband duty
distant idol
yeah lucius
trim shell
@mint pagoda she does tho
kind olive
lucius best girl lmao
distant idol
lucretia boring
tawny gust
mb talene as well goodest waifu
trim shell
She like took care of the house, didn't expect him to really commit
She fully understood her husband's duties
tawny gust
also contributes all the tibby to celes singlehandedly
kind olive
but have you seen: uhhhhh
idk
maybe uh
mirael
distant idol
lucius best girl
mint pagoda
Not when he zap her child
distant idol
ok miraels pretty good
kind olive
lowkey willing to simp for mirael ngl
mint pagoda
Theirs*
tawny gust
nakoruru best
distant idol
ew
tawny gust
that’s a duty
trim shell
Her kid just died
tawny gust
duty to murder twin terrors
distant idol
nakoruru worst girl
kind olive
hey wheelie
can i introduce you to
Lucius best girl
trim shell
The hypo exploited her
mint pagoda
He's already dead when he was sacrifice tho
distant idol
is shemira considered a milf
trim shell
@mint pagoda yeah but it still hurts
kind olive
i keysmashed irl oops
trim shell
Like she doesn't no that
mint pagoda
She has no reason to be angry at Zap
trim shell
Luce and Shem are the only milfs
tawny gust
dura?
trim shell
@mint pagoda the hypo that possessed her son exploited her
kind olive
zap zap
trim shell
And controls her
distant idol
how did this happen
tawny gust
dura best milf
kind olive
omg
trim shell
Also she does
kind olive
dura best milf
trim shell
Zaph abandoned her and her kid
mint pagoda
He's Zap from now on
kind olive
zap zap zap zap
tawny gust
annih best dilf
distant idol
wait is hendrik a dilf tho
mint pagoda
She kinda expected that when she confessed to him
trim shell
Yeah
tawny gust
yes
kind olive
annih dilf
trim shell
@mint pagoda not really
long wadi
Zaph is basically Zeus from Clash of the titans
trim shell
I mean she knew she wouldn't be his top priority
kind olive
im sorry but
vedan dilf
trim shell
But like it's fair to be angry when he completely abandoned them
tawny gust
correct
vocal portal
True
trim shell
And the hypo just exploited that anger
And used her instability to like
Take control
vocal portal
Exactly
trim shell
Zaph Hendrick Rigby Baden are all dilfs
vocal portal
Innocent
trim shell
@mint pagodabc he left
Didn't comfort her or anything
And the hypo took control after
mint pagoda
Well, that's a dick move
trim shell
Actually no
vocal portal
So zaphs fault for not protecting her from the darkness
mint pagoda
At least make sure the hypo die for sure then left 
kind olive
zap zap is a peepeehead
trim shell
The hypo managed to fully take control very quickly
Since she was mentally unstable
And willing (kinda)
Then they like
Fought
Ok unrelated but
mint pagoda
Wasn't she in the army tho?
mint pagoda
Shouldn't she know how hypo works
trim shell
All the dilfs are zaph, Hendrick, vedan, niru, Baden, Rigby
Not really @mint pagoda
Like 1. It's literally the most convincing/tricky hypo
And 2. She was devastated
long wadi
Lucretia is another character that deserves a happy ending
long wadi
Decided to change it since I was also changing my pfp
mint pagoda
I re-read it, she does know, but holding out hope that he could save him
mint pagoda
Hmm, so she didn't blame him for killing him, she blame him for not being there, letting the evil doers took their child
long wadi
She's angry that the light failed to protect her kid
trim shell
Yeah
mint pagoda
Or that's what I interpreted anyway
mint pagoda
Well, make sense
long wadi
The lightbearers are a dying faction
mint pagoda
But this whole mess could be easily avoided if Zap man up and rejected her confession, then again, it is what it is and it's a pretty cool story
trim shell
There is no distinction between actual lightbearers and normal people in this game
pallid flint
Wait who was the child of Zaph? is it Lucretia? wait that wrong or is it someone else? man i'm confused
I did read the lore behind it
tawny gust
it was owain
rose veldt
dark heath
I mean he chose the peace and protection over his son but like
What’s the point of saving the world when you can’t even protect the ones that care for u eh
What’s the point of saving the world when you can’t even protect the ones that care for u eh
Seems like a pathetic guy
vocal portal
Lmfao
steel tiger
You make that decision then you can talk 😂
cobalt ridge
@opaque matrix From what I understood from reading both stories, Lucretia loved Zaphrael, but he didn't really feel the same. He was kinda peer-pressured into the marriage.
mossy parcel
Ye that's what happened
opaque matrix
oh that's kinda sad life for both of them then
cobalt ridge
Yeah 🥺 As far as Owain, it depends on who you believe? From Zaphrael's pov, Owain was already gone. There was no-one to save. Lucretia, however, believed there was still a chance. Personally, I take Zaph's side, but I don't fault anyone for siding with Lucretia.
mossy parcel
Same
If there was another way, I doubt it would be achievable
Doesnt completely explain him killing him but yknow, we don't really know the chances
long wadi
Zaoh even refers to himself as a god, that's all you need to know about him
trim shell
i mean he is a god so
but u shouldnt take zaph's side because he was still an awful husband
mossy parcel
Yeah he's literally a god-
trim shell
and like completely abandoned her after he left
mossy parcel
Once again
distant idol
tbh zaph is the most boring lore ive ever read
mossy parcel
How do you expect someone who didnt want to be a husband to act like one
True Claux
trim shell
fair but like
distant idol
hes just like lucius but less cool but also a god
trim shell
he shouldve taken responsibility
distant idol
lucius would be a wayy better deity
trim shell
if he wasnt in love he shouldve like done something about it
mossy parcel
Praise Lucius
distant idol
and also hes way hotter
trim shell
and not like have a kid with her
mossy parcel
Mia he was practically forced into it
mossy parcel
He cant just say no
trim shell
he still like had a kid with her
and its implied that he cared a little about his kid at the very least
long wadi
He could have absolutely said no to her
distant idol
zaph is literally the high school quarterback peer pressured into dating the head cheerleader
mossy parcel
And having kids in eras like theirs is a necessity/expectation
distant idol
except it isnt even sad for zaph cuz hes just boring
slim ore
bruh
trim shell
yeah he couldve turned her down
slim ore
i said it before: having kids in that era is a requirement and means nothing to how much u care about a person
long wadi
Flora is the better celestial
distant idol
i dont like zaph at all
slim ore
peer pressure is strong
mossy parcel
Mia they're both shit
trim shell
how is luc shit
distant idol
luc is good mom
trim shell
she did nothing wrong besides place her hopes in the wrong person
distant idol
she attains milf while zaph doesnt obtain dilf
trim shell
maybe but like
slim ore
having kids is mandatory. and it says nothing about who u love
trim shell
its implied that he cared about his kid a little
mossy parcel
Not necessarily shit, but if you're gonna hold these expectations then hold them on Luc too. She confessed her love at a bad time, altering Zaphs life
mossy parcel
H
distant idol
yeah she at least wanted him to know
slim ore
trying to say zaph is 1000% evil bad man when Society™️ exists is kinda... hmm..
distant idol
zaph is bad dad
trim shell
im saying that a certain amount of responsibility falls on him
mossy parcel
Zaph is a bad dad, but he's not a bad character
distant idol
hes typical chad wdym
mossy parcel
Yes, as with Luc then
distant idol
luc actually cared
trim shell
idk he also kinda hates a lot of humans
wooden bluff
She basically forced herself onto him, it's even stated so
Since she confessed in front of everyone, he felt obliged to follow the pressure of his own squad and the expectations everyone placed in him
It's not Lucretia's fault for chosing the moment, she didn't force herself onto him willingly, but she still did
distant idol
i wish shed just kill zaph
slim ore
well yeah
trim shell
hes kinda like athalia/cecilia
mossy parcel
All Celes hate humans what're you on
slim ore
that's the whole thing
trim shell
@wooden bluff she didnt force herself on him tho
slim ore
is that he's obsessed w war
trim shell
she just confessed
distant idol
dura and orthros and flora all love humans
slim ore
bc again: peer pressure
trim shell
like thats a big difference from proposing 1
mossy parcel
That's practically forcing herself on him
wooden bluff
She did cobfess; the societal pressure did the rest
slim ore
u cant just ignore the society pressure lmao
trim shell
and 2 how is confessing forcing urself onto someone
like if i ask a girl out am i forcing myself onto them
slim ore
i keep pointing to it bc it matters it's why they got together to begin w
wooden bluff
Oh hey it happened to me irl so I can tell 
trim shell
bruh he was dying tho
slim ore
like i get she thought he was dying, i do
slim ore
but that doesn't erase any of what's being said
trim shell
i should tell him in case he dies
mossy parcel
Exactly Atom
distant idol
yeah when i ask someone out they reject me, but they do say cute things like "who are you" and "why are you in my house"
mossy parcel
Thambk
trim shell
idk
slim ore
gjdfklfjd claux
trim shell
im not saying zaph is 100% at fault but luc is blameless
mossy parcel
Qjshdjeb Claux no-
slim ore
tbh i cant really blame luc /that/ much if at all either
distant idol
but im not forcing anything on them except paying for a window that broke when i happened to enter the house
wooden bluff
Luc placed all her hopes into a man she basically knew nothing beside her expectations about; she never really apoke to zaph outside the times she treated him. She wasn't in love, she was infatuated with the idea of him.
slim ore
^^^^
mossy parcel
Like it's ok to not like Zaph but putting all the blame on him isnt a good idea
slim ore
while that's not something u take fault for, it's definitely still a flaw
mossy parcel
Well said Jay
distant idol
i wanna put all the blame on him cuz i dont like him
trim shell
@mossy parcel thats kinda what im saying
distant idol
so im putting all the blame
slim ore
she was 1000% naive and in love with the ideal of a man
mossy parcel
Fair enough Claux
wooden bluff
She saw the hero she dreamed of, she wanted a perfect marriage. She refused all the warning signs and facts why it wouldn't happen like she wanted to.
trim shell
and like her parents had just died in front of her
slim ore
that doesn't change anything
distant idol
yeah but he could reject her
slim ore
if anything that reinforces what jay is saying
distant idol
it isnt hard to say no in public
trim shell
yeah the peer pressure thing is like
slim ore
it's very hard to say no in public wym
trim shell
just delay it if u dont want to say no in public ig
distant idol
ive rejected people in public pretty easily
wooden bluff
He couldn't really due to the societal pressure, since everyone expected him to be a father as well. A hero should always have a heir
distant idol
tbf it was someone who was literally stalking me but still
slim ore
not everyone, and defnitely not with marriage proposals
mossy parcel
Yeah, she wasnt really in love with him, her confessing was weird, and then infront of people where he felt like he had to say yes when they didnt even know eachother is 😬
slim ore
dwJFKS THAT'S A PRETTY IMPORTANT DETAIL
distant idol
yeah i bet i have half the resolve of someone in the military like zaph
slim ore
also ik it wasn't a proposal but
mossy parcel
Claux are you ok
distant idol
in fucking sixth grade
slim ore
the guy was half dead and still concerned abt his image
ofc societal pressure is at play
slim ore
military men were expected to have nice little ladies to come home to
mossy parcel
HWYDHSBW
distant idol
and he meant it
wooden bluff
I
slim ore
jfsdklf bruh what the fuck
mossy parcel
CLAUX WHAT
trim shell
it wasnt a proposal it was a confession right
wooden bluff
Oh my fucking god
trim shell
or is it not specified
distant idol
no he asked me to marry him
slim ore
for luc/zaph: it doesn't matter, either way they would've been forced together
for claux: proposal
distant idol
err you meant lore oops
mossy parcel
Claux, getting all the boys since sixth grade
distant idol
luc just confessed didnt she
slim ore
ya
distant idol
wasnt a proposal right
distant idol
so then its not even something to reject
wooden bluff
Oh yeah for me it was kind of like. Hm. Okay this is a really touchy subject so immah put it in spoilers but
||a person with a severe mental illness basically asked me to be her s/o and I felt obliged to accept bc I was afraid she'd kill herself otherwise||
trim shell
but everything after that is zaph fault (a little)
slim ore
o o f jay
slim ore
^^^
distant idol
yeah but like zaph didnt even care about luc
slim ore
should he have stepped up? sure. is it unreasonable or nonsensical that he didn't? absolutely not
distant idol
i doubt hed care if she hurt herself
mossy parcel
And Luc didnt really care about Zaph
distant idol
she cared about her idea of him
slim ore
he had no emotional investment, he just wanted murder demon men
wooden bluff
Oh he did. He cared about humans and to protect them. Just not... personally, kind of.
mossy parcel
Like Jay said, she liked the idea of him
slim ore
luc wanted the whtie knight who saved her, not /zaph/
wooden bluff
He more saw people as his responsibility, but never really had any personal bonds. Not even outside of luc
distant idol
ok off topic but theres a fuckin loud woodpecker outside and ughhhh
distant idol
no theyre wayy too gamy
wooden bluff
Peck back
slim ore
and again: while this is not something to be blamed for, it definitely is a flaw and it certainly casts some... blame is the wrong word but i cant think of a better one rn
long wadi
Zaph doesn't care about humans, all he cares about is ridding thr world of "evil"
distant idol
zaph is just zeus tbh
slim ore
it's like... that sort of naivety certainly doesn't make her entirely... faultless, ig. like it's kind of like she walked into it, maybe?
mossy parcel
Abxhsbsish
wooden bluff
If he didn't, why should he have protected lucretia to begin with if he could've used the distraction of her being eaten to kill the demon better? Sure, it could've also been an image thing, but idk tbh
mossy parcel
Didnt we used to call him Zeus before we knew his name
distant idol
zeus
slim ore
not enough bestiality 0/10
mossy parcel
zoose
slim ore
oh yeah
he looks like that old seirus design or w/e
the one that showed up in ads or smthn??
mossy parcel
Actually didn't Zeus turn into a snake at some point too
wooden bluff
Zeus even impregnated a woman in the form of golden rain
distant idol
prob turned into a snake and just slithered up to some poor girl
wooden bluff
There are no limits
Bang n bail lads
slim ore
JFKLDSJFKLD
distant idol
bit her foot and she prob got pregnant from that bite
distant idol
ikr
slim ore
like ik she got really bitter but she took it out on his lovers, not him
mossy parcel
Actually Claux you're not even wrong that is what happened-
slim ore
which is wack
distant idol
omg what
mossy parcel
Got close
distant idol
w h a t
wooden bluff
I
mossy parcel
He bit the egg
wooden bluff
Oh my god
distant idol
oh my god
distant idol
watch zaph literally just smite someone with lightning and they get pregnant
wooden bluff
OH NAH that was a bad pun on oh my god
mossy parcel
Pregnant from lightning
wooden bluff
Honestly this entire thing can be summarized in a few words:
mossy parcel
Would that be all that bad though
wooden bluff
A giant mess
slim ore
this is like real housewives of esperia huh
wooden bluff
slim ore
ranhorn shore
distant idol
i fear for the day zeus decides to make an impregnating hurricane and impregnate every woman on every coast
mossy parcel
HAGZBSABWH
distant idol
what are we talking about again
wooden bluff
Today's topic: who's not pregnant from zeus
slim ore
and posiden doesn't want a bunch of kids he has horses
mossy parcel
So seirus would be the one instead-
mossy parcel
YES
wooden bluff
Gottem bois
Zaph was actually gay the entire time
distant idol
explains alot
slim ore
yeah
mossy parcel
Shhzdh hc with gay Zaph intensifies
wooden bluff
[Several people are typing....]
distant idol
especially when the high school quarterback chad was gay and didnt wanna date emileigh
the cheer leader
slim ore
zaph being gay would make the societal pressure thing make evne more sense
bc u cant be gay in the military, u get got
distant idol
lmao
mossy parcel
Man Zaph just wanted to bang the nerd but ended up with the cheerleader
wooden bluff
Is this why he turned greek?
Just look at ancient greece
Look at the pottery alone.
slim ore
spartan was like 90% gay men
distant idol
greek were like omnisexual tho
slim ore
or at least bisexual men
mossy parcel
The past was gay
wooden bluff
The past is insanely gay
mossy parcel
Therefore Zaph gae
slim ore
the past military men were very home of sexual
even modern military men, but past esp bc like
wooden bluff
Very hone the sex of all
mossy parcel
Homiesexual 😔
distant idol
i stg dryads absolutely came from some guy caught with his dick in a tree
and he was like
slim ore
JFLS PROBABLY
mossy parcel
What-
distant idol
"oh you havent heard? trees are actually hot girls now"
mossy parcel
AHDYSGEH
wooden bluff
Wasn't aphrodite created by the balls of someome foaming up the sea
distant idol
yep
mossy parcel
Oh my God
wooden bluff
Ancient greece was #wild man
mossy parcel
I forgot about that
distant idol
yeah rip ouranos' balls
mossy parcel
coral zodiac
trim shell
it was like the blood
mossy parcel
Dont you hate it when you lose your balls and they grow into a woman, lads
trim shell
it foamed up in sea
distant idol
no it wasnt blood it was balls
mossy parcel
There are multiple versions
trim shell
and the bubbles made aphrodite
distant idol
he got castrated by kronos
trim shell
ik
distant idol
poseiden absolutely did stuff with ouranos' balls
mossy parcel
O h
vale grove
What's happening here?
mossy parcel
Balls
distant idol
except aphrodite is older than Poseidon
mossy parcel
Zaph
slim ore
the greeks
distant idol
hiiii jin
mossy parcel
Seirus
distant idol
and rai
vale grove
Who is ouranos?