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I imagine her bleeding on him wouldn’t end well
Goku can swim in lava
Ah ok then
Tf
But she like Wu Kong would be able to outlast him and eventually kill him
Goku has universal durability
So
I don’t know if Talene is on that level
That’s why I was really hesitant about the orthros matchup
But Goku might have to give up if she just keeps coming back up
How would a fight between the child Gods and Goku go
Elijah and Lailah?
They aren’t exactly fighters
But they can weave “fetters” between people that make them closer together
But the question is: Would Goku fight 2 little kids
So they might weave one to Goku and themselves so he wouldn’t attack them
There’s been similar fights like sans vs Goku but the argument is sans can win due to outlasting goku’s stamina
Ah
I honestly feel like Goku is a bad character to use just because the way he’s designed
He lieks giving his opponents a fair chance so the conversation is tricky
Burret do you think he’d attack the twins?
I assume no
Wait
Ah
Unless they willingly challenge Goku
Arent they Gods of peace and all that crap
They probably wouldn't want to fight
Which is why they wouldn’t challenge him
They might get upset if he killed too many mortals though
As they’re the gods of peace and don’t condone it
We can use Goku black
Goku w h a t
I can see them weaving fetters between everyone in Esperia and Goku so he wouldn’t attack them
Or anyone else
Evil Goku would probably try to beat the shit outta the celestial twins
Because those fetters apparently make even the strongest of foes lay their weapons aside
Ok Goku black?
Yeah they wouldn’t like him
However they would probably use the same approach with the fetters
Yeah Goku black is basically a god stealing goku’s body from another dimension
I believe
Dang
No immortality though
Ok
But the twins would most likely not directly fight him
Again, the fetters
Those fetters are damn op if you think about it
But since the twins are definitely not fighters they would go the path that avoids them having to fight directly
If they did have to fight they would end up losing because I assume Goku can fly
Wow this has been the most active the lore channel has been
Yeah
We made history at least
Yes both can
Ah
If the twins had to fight him they would try to get away from the fight most likely
And fly away but with that they wouldn’t be able to avoid it
It depends on how fast they can weave those fetters to themselves to Goku will stop attacking
I believe Goku black even in his base form is faster than the speed of light
Meaning that they are as fast as light?
Which raises all kinds of questions about how attackable they are in lore
But yes
They would be fast as light because they’re made of light
So technically the fastest heroes in lore lol
But if he’s faster than light they can’t outrun him
I'm pretty sure Goku black would win against 2 child Gods, assuming that they can be attacked
So yeah, better weave those fetters
They wouldn’t win in a physical fight
But they would win if they forced Goku Black to stop attacking
which is much more likely for them to do than go face to face
how?
They’re the gods of peace and harmony
But they would win if they forced Goku Black to stop attacking
@tawny gust
Oh makes sense
So they have the power to stop anyone from fighting?
They weave these things called fetters that make even the most hated enemies lay their weapons down and shake hands or something
Goku Black should have no resistances to that kind of power
Basically they help to an understanding by forcefully controlling the emotions to positive I think
They probably don’t do it forcefully with mortals but for Goku black it would definitely be force
But yeah, they’re powerful enough to end entire wars
It’s been a topic if DB characters can withstand mind control or not, but it seems they can’t
An
Interesting
So for the twins: a matter of them weaving the fetters
Twins are surprisingly op if you read the lore carefully lol
If Goku black has 0 knowledge about them he loses
Yep
But if he does what would he do about them?
Unfortunately we don’t know how long it takes the twins to weave fetters
Since they ended a war so quickly, it’s assumably very fast
That was millions of fetters they probably had to make
Not only accounting for each personal grudge against the enemy, but multiple ones and collective
Twins are op wtf
So if they had to weave one ferret between them and Goku Black
They win
And from there they would probably like
Stop him from attacking everyone else
Jesus
Twins lore op, please nerf
On the surface level they seem the weakest but when you look at the fetters and how they ended a giant war that apparently went on for ages
If speed is equalized then it can go either way
If I was Goku Black I’d try to avoid them at all costs
Goku black does have op ranged attacks
Ah
It’s just like goku’s thoufh
Ok
We don’t really know where the twins usually are though
If I had to guess I’d say Sanctum, chapter 19
But who knows
After Wu Kong they seem to have the most chance of winning
So I’d say twins in most scenarios = win
There are just some variables we don’t have the answers to that can mess it up
Like where they usually are
An exact on how fast they weave fetters
True
And how immortal they are
Because I’d say in comparison to like Orthros who gets defeated if his clock is broken
They’re made of starlight
Literal elements and dust
Which again makes me wonder if in lore how attackable they are
Like how do you attack light
nope
Ok then
So therefore: twins about 98% of the time would win, but the other 2% are because of things we don’t fully know about that would affect the outcome
Alright that one was long
Let’s move onto Mehira
Wait this is interesting
Oh ok
So if you read some characters on DB witg vs battle
We can keep going then, I’m happy to talk about twins all day lol
Some of them can make portals with “sheer power”
Dang
Just by shouting I think
It explains it on the wbesite I linked,
It’s hilariously slow so I doubt it would make a battle difference
We still don’t know if characters from DB can actually withstand mind control Jax
Hax*
First one: where are the twins?
Second: Where does Goku start?
Third one: How fast can twins weave fetters?
I’m going to say that Goku starts off in Ranhorn and the twins are in Sanctum
Second, the most fair option is 20-40 feet away
Ranhorn is chapter one, Sanctum chapter 19
Ah
Ok
20-40 feet away
That ones easier
If you equalize speed then maybe twins have a chance
But we don’t know there durability
They could simply be immortal
They are immortal but that brings us back to the starlight issue
Let’s say
The twins are a literal star
Would Goku be able to attack a star
Celestial body
Star comparison makes it easier
Or would he be able to attack the light the star is emitting, I should say
Portal Creation (Using his scythe, he can cut through space-time to create rifts that can summon clones of himself
Source vsbattles Goku black page
Like a light form lightbulb?
Yes
Nope
Yeah
But the lore says the twins are starlight creations
So what I’m assuming is Dura managed to harness starlight and make it stay as corporeal- ish bodies
So just pure starlight in a physical form...
Hmm
Think like
The gems from Steven universe maybe??
Their bodies are made of light
So I’m thinking they’d be attackable, it would just be way harder than attacking say Orthros who is a clock
But starlight is
Well
The light from a star
And that’s really hot??
Well here’s the argument
And now it goes into the fact that we don’t know what starlight the twins are made from ie how big the star is
If you put them 40 -20 feet, no surprise attack, Goku black could lose
Or if it’s more than one star
If you can’t hurt twins becuase there light then Goku black loses
While they’re made of light I’m suggesting they’re still attackable
Because they are corporeal ish but I’m imagining it’s less so than say
Talene
Or Orthros
So still attackable but I guess sort of like the line between ghost and human
Because the whole made of starlight thing really trips this whole thing up because it’s a one off line in the lore
We don’t know how corporeal the twins are or how attackable they ere
And that makes it really hard to figure this out
Although another line implies that they give off “calming starlight”
The line is something like “under the twins calming starlight, esperia became a kinder place”
what lines were before that?
I’ll go check
Why was there flaming starlight in the first place?
Bottom of the second page first paragraph
But that throws a wrench in as well
How damn quickly does this calming starlight they apparently radiate work and how long do you need to be standing near them for its effects to take place?
Also, can they control the rate at which this calming occurs?
Arghhhh
Tf was that
we were talking about Goku vs celehypos clearly
It’s basically a discussion about how powerful the celehypos are
It should be pretty relevant to this channel
I'm pretty sure Silvana Is older
oh ok
darn it
but it would be cool because elijah+lailah are like peace gods or smthn
and isabella and silvina are the opposites of that
Cool!
I like bird ladies
I wonder who is the most powerful character of each race
@mossy parcel I- I don’t know what to say
each race?
Celestial- most likely orthros
Hypogen- the guy who holds that clock
Lightbringer - Fawkes?
Graveborn- no clue, guess would be nemiru
Mauler : Brutus
For Graveborn I’d actually say Isabella
In lore she wiped out a whole group of bandits and turned them into like dust and bones or something
@untold echo butt wings
Fawkes would be the most op light ringer because of he casually took down the succubus hero right?
Yeah I think it’s him or Belinda
But with that being said, can Fawkes single handheldy take on all hypos?
Idk
We know he’s able to resist mind control because the parasite that infected him is a mind controlling demonic thing
It wasn’t able to fully infect him
So he’s resistant to mind control, ie. Mehira can’t do anything to him
Oh I see
Yep
She has her whip but yes, if she can’t mind control it’s harder
She can always use a horde of already mind controlled people to protect her though
So the lore goes “Ah sheeit I cant mind control him I’m doom gg”
has a whole variety of other abiltiies
Yeah I think he fired at her and she got spooked and left
I mean if it shook off mehira away then it’s safe to assume Fawkes is stronger than mehira
Because they don’t use mind control
Actually sort of Ezizh? I don’t think controlling dreams is mind control though
Nope
Yeah
other hypotension
theres a joke i want to make here but i REFUSE to disrespect my boy like that
It’s just simply controlling ones dreams however the user creates them, either sleep or whatever
I’m sorry but autocorrect is giving me a bad day 😦
It’s fine lol
Why would Fawkes have an advantage if an opponent has mind control? Assuming it’s just one of their 1827373 abilities they have
Does he have an ability where he gets stronger if he’s immune to mind control
That’s true
I think in Mehira’s case he took her by surprise because he’s resistant to her MAIN ABILITY
The one that gets talked about through her entire lore and how she can mind control like anyone
And got even more excited about him
“No amount of worldly status and power”
She’s bored because of her power, so for Fawkes to resist that made her very excited
Ye
So Fawkes just scared her away cus of how badass he is
i was gonna say he wouldnt have any trouble against mezoths hypotension but in hindsight idek if thats a thing
If I were Fawkes I'd totally let her win
And a little scared, thrilled stuff. Seems like the first time in a while something was actually a challenge to her
😭😭😭
Lmao
The only issue with the Hypos is that unlike the Celestials they aren’t outright stated to be gods so I have no clue how immortal and durable they are
I just googled what hypotension is and it made this 1000x funnier
Oh my god
Yes but here’s the thing about gods in verses,
See you can be a character can be the god of air for example but can barely deal any damage to a mountain due to how that character is written
Oof yeah
The gods of afk arena can simply be world breaking or can’t even move a mountain
A god from xyz can be weaker than a god from xyz
Idk it just glitches when I tried doing underscores
I wish they had someone working on them
Like with the twins, we have absolutely no clue what Lilith means by starlight
Being made of starlight
Is there a character we can base off everyone’s power?
I don’t know
Like say for example Ulmus challenged everyone hero to a duel, he explains how each battle went
Hmmm ok
There’s no hero like that?
Ah
Idk
Huh
Ulric could honestly be op
Ulric doesn't have lore
For now maybe it’s better to pick off the lore to get everything we can about the characters lore powers
I'm confused
Why
He's common
I didn’t mean ulric lore because he has none lol
No common heroes have lore
Yes but it makes no sense imo
I just meant we could theoretically use him as a test dummy as a fight against heroes
It would be cool to have some backstory
Well what would his lore evn be tho
Ulric is a guard and soldier under Hogan or something
"ulric is a perfectly average soldier, mediocre in every way"
He’s beginning to sound like a harem protagonist, careful
"he eats porridge every day and then goes to train, although he never gets any better"
"he's just completely unremarkable"
“He meets a fellow lightbringer who has glowing lustrous hair”
Lmao imagine Dreaf lore
Yeah but he wouldn't be able to survive it
Fair point
I say Arden
He appeared in a lot of Wilder Lore
He’s in like every Wilder lore
Yea but Arden is more of the wisest
Not the strongest
I mean ulmus literally almost killed him
Rowans duck?
He can give himself temporary immortality
Definitely
Isabella? In lore she killed those bandits really quickly
He was one of the best mages of the temple of light
Oh yeah we're like totally forgetting gb
And that was without any kind of magic training or knowledge
I just read Kelthur's lore and like 
Isabella maybe
Yeah Kelthur
Yeah she mad op
Shemira also has a magical cool chair
So what do we think about torne and akoni?
Torne is just your average 21 yr old
Anoki’s lore was a bit disappointing imo
Bad posture, hates himself
It was just “Anoki’s dad didn’t do something, so Anoki works hard”
Ogi’s a half giant I think
Yeah
Yep
Also Belinda
Belinda ehhh
She’s a priestess
Her power is derived from the gods
Fair
isnt that the case for all lightbearers
No
Some of them?
Fawkes' power comes from his hand
And also that crossbow
Cecila?
Well she's more melee and blind
She just stabbity stab
well she stabs with some very yellow and floating swords
That's an ability tho, not lore
If we go off in game abilities the celehypo are much weaker
wu kong has big stick
Pretty much all of the heroes are because you know game balancing
If we go off abilities it's probably belinda
Or shen
Shem*
Or just like any dps
I mean yeah talene can just come back from the dead
Ingame and I guess in lore
Talene is actually probably the most powerful
Lore also implies she will be unkillable until the hypogean invasion ends
And most powerful is a toss up between Orthros and Zolrath
Probably zolrath
He doesn't have as many reservations about time control and stuff
Yeah Zolrath is actively altering timelines and Orthros is fixing them
Orthros ult
Lol
She's like an afk version of shadow the hedgehog
why can zolrath get frozen by orthos if they both control time
"you all underestimated me. you thought i was shit"
oh noes
"I'm the perfect life form jotaro"
Can someone draw all chars in jojo style
Now we have a canon sonic/dbz/afk/JoJo crossover
Everyone fights goku
Raine is shadow
Afk is afk
Orthros and zolrath are jojo
Wu Kong beats him up if you read the convo
I did
Oh seriously? The whole thing jeez
Yes I was lurking here for a while before saying anything
Towards the end we were just screaming about the twins being op but like in a vague way
i like how all celes/hypo are just all powerful gods and demons and wu kong is just a monkey
Mostly cuz I hate having unread messages in any of my chats
I mean
"My stick is bigger than yours"
Isn't Goku kinda like a representation of sun wukong
Oh damn
I mean he goes full monke
Wu Kong fights himself?
Aight
But afk wukong more op
*for pvp
Probably why he’s in like every fighting game
Ye
Also since you were lurking: thoughts on the twins and the whole starlight issue?
I
Because lilith please we need answers
May have missed that part
Ah
Well basically
Twins in lore are apparently made of starlight
And that confuzzled is because we weren’t sure exactly what this meant
Are the twins legitimately just light, like from a light bulb?
Oh that explains the
Are they solid?
Conversation of Steven universe
How corporeal are they?
And then it got worse because I read their lore again and it mentioned a calming starlight
I kinda just skimmed through all that
The real question is what age they are
That they apparently radiate??
Thousands of years but look like
5 in game 12 in portrait
I mean like
They're depicted I think however they feel like
Sometimes they're just one person
I think they look like children because it’s a representation of their eternal youth/maybe they’re just children cuz it works
Yeah
Plus no ones mean to kids
doesnt stop anyone from killing them in game
In lore bro
I’m just tossing out theories
But anyway it’s more about the starlight
Like bruh
Lilith
If I could have one question answered it would be exactly what this means
Some mysteries are best kept secret
e
And also why this calming starlight couldn’t have been their si
feathers are easier to design
well it isnt changing now so we're stuck with it
us: noooo you can’t just make the feathers symmetrical in some ability pictures and asymmetrical in others!!
lilith: haha feather inconsistency go brrr
maybe they just made it like that to piss people off
Maybe the twins get bored and switch it up sometimes
just like how there's 50 thousand capion errors in the game
Either way it irks me
cant say i blame them for wanting to switch
you try having the same feather in your hair for thousands of years
Imagine if one day they just switch clothes and see how many people notice
change hair color too
Or maybe just like
Switch forms
Just
Shwwwhwhhsh
Gluggulhhuhleee
Weeeeoooopshwchhhh
I don’t think that would make much difference only personality difference they seem to have is that Lailah’s apparently suicidal
Running straight up at the Warek
The brutus
The Grezhul
Why can't lailah have wings
She’s not special like Elijah
Elijah is just floating there liek hehe
And lailahs looking up at him like
o_o
Someone should draw that
I wanna see that
In portrait his wings are literally wrapped around her legs
Someone should make a fusion with characters
I want to see what if succubus hero became a celestial
maybe they take turns with the wings
What would they look like
I saw a drawing like that on the afk subreddit
Celestial succubus
I found the “mEhira twins”
Ah yes
I feel like that would be like
Yep
Explain
speaking of mehira, whos the person she meets in her lore
"Chastity's end"
just what i thought
Ye
Also people may say that Eli and Lai are Rem and Ram, but they’re ACTUALLY Kiki and Lala
wot
Lailah’s pink
But Garnet is a lesbian couple and the twins are twins???
also twins are related
Ruby and sapphire also have iconic duo vibe tho
And also the twins are like one person
So I still say: KIKI and LALA
They could be a couple
It's be like the woman who married herself in Las vegas
that means they would be with themselves
Yeah
Yes
Actually it may be safe to assume that like half of the celestials don't have physical forms
These past few hero releases disappointing
Also also they’re the gods of friendship so I personally think they don’t represent romantic relationship, but instead platonic
Oops wrong channel
They aren't friendship gods
Peace gods
They're relationship gods
I mean in terms of lore I guess
Harmony gods
it looks like shes sliding down
However for the twins they do seem to more so represent platonic and at least good relationships than romantic ones
first line of their lore is “Whenever there is a handshake or warm embrace, there is also Elijah and Lailah.”
But you know maybe they also are like romantic relationship fixers
Marriage counselors
you would be very lucky if some gods showed up at your door for marriage counceling
It’d be pretty bad if they did because that means my relationship is bad enough that they need to fix it
look on the bright side, it means they think you are worth helping
Ehh yeah
Oh I got to the last part and it doesn’t mention romance
Unfortunately
Maybe they aren’t marriage counselors after all
they're more like school counselors
School counselors?
they try and make sure everything doesnt blow up
Hmm ye
But what it does say is they mend friendships and help enemies to an understanding
maybe dura and annih could have used their help
Wouldn't be the first time
well it clearly didnt work
But it was too late: Annih refused to go to siblings therapy with her
so they do have limits
Either that or he left halfway through the session
just imagine being the god of the underworld getting therepy from your sisters creations
Yep
Imagine just making gods for when you need something
Like “I want ice cream... time for the ice cream god”
Isn't that ansiel?
Ansiel’s a carpenter
why didnt he create the god of milk then
They spoiled
how is he going to get milk if he has to create it first
for the god of all creation he doesnt sound too smart
It was just for backup in case the milk god spoiled
So he went to get the rest of the milk to make it into a milk god that wouldn’t spoil
why does he want milk so bad anyways
To make another milk god
and why does he want a milk god
For milk
and thus, the cycle continues
why doesnt he drink like gatorade or something
Because why drink Gatorade when you could drink milk
gatorade tastes more artifical
what if hes lactose intolerant
maybe he just really needs those big boi bones
Yeah
could honas create a milk so powerful that even he could not tolerate it
was it chocolate flavor?
if i was god of the underworld and trying to kill my sister for control of the world milk is probs the last thing i would look to
Well maybe Dura’s lactose intolerant
It’s her only flaw
cant even make use of that ice cream god
Actually maybe she’s a vegan
And upon contact with milk she dissolved instantaneously
but in athalia lore it says she doesnt need to eat
And upon contact with milk she dissolved instantaneously
why isnt annih lactose intolerent then
He’s not vegan
wonder what he eats then
He’s a meat eater
would explain how mezoth exists
I imagine that if he had to eat, he eats corpses
Gourmet corpses
he looks more like a kechup person
Fair
Not sure if I spelled that right
In ketchup
maybe he uses the in n out secret sauce
Oh my god
well he is a god so yea
And ari
It’s confirmed
Athalia has butt wings
But actually if you look at her when she turns around and flies off they look like part of her shirt thing
why are her legs sticks
how do her legs even fit in those
what did you expect from the incarnation of justice
also how does she see with that mask
if she's blind it would explain why cecilia is too
Hmm yeah
So if Athalia has a section of worship that follows her example are there ones for the other Celestials
Yes
She does
It’s proven
Just look at her victory animation
She turns around
😔
Another one lost to ass wings
Now it’s just elijah and Safiya for the feathered non butt wings
I'm going to draw his wings on his butt
Nevermind hes a child
I don’t need that in my life
That'd be weird
Yet beautiful
no
"Cursed" is a funny way of saying majestic
No
i didnt even know she had wings
Yeah
They also have a lack of feathers
They're all small
Like a desert birds feathers
Yep
but how can she be a bird if she's a sphinx
Sphinxes have wings I’m p sure
I’m not sure
But maybe it’s just a design choose
Oh wait she might be Greek
imagine you see a flying half furry coming to nuke you
Sounds cool
no way she's greek
I was thinking Egyptian but Greek sphinxes have the head of a woman, haunches of a lion, and wings of a bird
Egyptian ones are half human half lion
i dont think greeks lived in the desert and had staff's like that
Yes but
She matches the description of a Greek Sphinx more
Because of the wings
They probably just did a mash together of both
She seems Egyptian but fits the Greek version more so maybe the Sphinxes of Esperia are like the Greek ones in appearance but act closer to Egyptian Sphinxes?
Yeah
i wonder if he invented burger king in abion
I hope so
We haven’t talked about meZoth yet
Huhhhhh
Whaaaaat
His lore is confusing
But interesting
I’m assuming he can shape shift
He’s able to slash a man hard enough to open his gut (strength of a male polar bear) and casually consume one
MeZoth lore is so meh
It’s literally a guy talking about his trip and how it gets cloudy
really?
Then all of a sudden some guy on board turns into a monster and eats everyone that’s hungry
It’s so disappointing imo
Ok so the guy writing it ends up possessed by Mezoth
It’s clear that the cook who worshipped Mezoth
Was working for him
Clearly trying to sacrifice everyone else aboard the ship to him
imagine fighting 5 ascended mezoths in pve
tasi would be more of a nightmare
Actually wait when they ult all the team would be swallowed lol
Ah I get it
What would they all do
It’s just as a nightmare as having 5 Nara’s
(That does exist)
But Mezoth chooses the writer of the journal instead
WAIT HOLD ON
5 rowans
Idk why
Do peaks of time or voyage wanders reveal anything about lore?
i mean he is the strongest on the ship
Yeah that’s probably it
Well abyssal does reveal the name of the creature that corrupted khazard
That’s lore
I guess
wait what is the name
I assume meZoth has strength greater than a polar bear
So i say meZoth is like maybe a tiger level threat if we want to use the opm scale
Which is basically like town level
how do you corrupt an all powerful sea elemental
But we can’t really assume that though
I didn’t need to see Mezoth tiddy
Oh my god I just realized we can see Mezoth’s nipples
@tawny gust
why tf did you make me go look
hold up
he's a big boy who ate his veggies just say that
Tbh I can tell this game is inspired by LoL
Yeah
actually no mezoth never eats veggies
I can explain the similarities in offtopic if anyone would like
It’s not like a rip off, but the inspiration is there
would be ineresting to know
Like a painting of a good painting I guess
Does LoL also have cool lore? if so I might get into it
Yes.
what kinda game is it
Ah nice
Very underrated, it’s well written even for someone who’s never played it before
Hm ok
Takes about five minutes or so
@tawny gust
you must have some secret strats i dont know
lol I probably miscounted but for me it really doesn’t take that long
Just have some fun and it goes like
bam
my favorite is probs peaks of time
its so in depth for what it is
and you cant just throw in some whale comp
I uh
though it does help
i usually just read up on the first bit and try to solve the rest on my own lol
Lol wish I could do that
anyways i think imma sleep now
thanks for distracting me from doing a very important assignment
that is due today
that i havent started on
Heehoo
Yo, does anyone wanna hear about my OCS? Please i am begging someone to listen
Ooh I’m interested!!
AIGHT
:DD
This thing right here
She’s an adult trapped inside a child’s body, since she was cursed because she refused to grow up. Her alias; the mirror child, she has the power to turn into anyone she makes a mask of, but she doesn’t have a face of her own, she burns like plastic though.
You put a monster mask on her, she will turn into a whole ass monster, until you convince her she isn’t one.
Is she forever a child I’m assuming?
Yeah.
So she’s immortal? :0 cool beans
So everyone just calls her “child” not even trying to know her name.
I was thinking a mix of lightbearer and graveborn, I couldn’t pick.
Galia
Pretty
She wanders the world looking for meaning, trying to find her “identity”
Oh no poor sweetie
People find her rather quiet, assuming it’s because she has no mouth, it’s because she has no idea what to say
She wants to grow up.
She wants to be seen as important to her teammates, but alas, they only see her as a child.
Which pisses her off, causing her to break off from the group.
Ah


