Didn't realize Soren's tomb was close to the living just thought it was an urban legend type deal that he went after. But upon rereading it ur right
#afk-lore
dark heath
How many Rayne are in game right now?
I have seen 3 at least, mostly graveborn but might be mistaken
The lore is quite insufficient.
regal sail
Thane became affiliated with house Rayne as its castellan if that counts
Also I believe you mean that it's a shayme
jovial lion
Baden and Estrilda are canonically part of House Rayne
If you think Thane IS a Rayne, he isn't. He is loyal to the house though.
nope i dont think there's any.
Just Baden.
fossil rose
All but estrilda died during the war with the maulers. So no not lb from house rayne
*no more not no not
jovial lion
in-game there are no more house rayne
not all of em were turned GB and if they were im calling BS on lilith sorry GB fanboys n girls
ashen pasture
What connection is there between Baden and Estrilda though? Both are/were heads of the house. Are they family in some way?
dark heath
baden is estrilda's dad
jovial lion
I argue that's unknown because the lore states 2 different titles.
Sir Rayne and Lord Rayne have both been used, but they're separate titles, Unless that's been fixed since I last looked at the lore, I don't think that's the same Rayne.
fringe gorge
I'm pretty sure I asked jakub a while back if Baden is Estrilda's dad and he responded with a no..
But that confused me, so I still don't know the facts.🤭
fringe gorge
I suppose I could try to ask him again, but I do remember that instance. I've tried to search for the post to no avail, though..
I always assumed he was her dad until then.🤭
jovial lion
Huh, so my note of the different titles actually might be true.
Might.
So that just means that Baden is potentially related but not her father. Hm.
Lord Rayne was head of the house right?
ashen pasture
Not sure, but Baden is stated to be head of the house in Thane's story
Could he be Estrilda's uncle? If Estrilda's father died in a war a while back, then I guess his brother (potentially Baden) could have taken over until he was killed in a Mauler attack (as stated in Estrilad's story), which left Estrilda as the last Rayne.
dark heath
''he began to see a determined look on the youngest child, an energetic young girl who somehow resembled her father in manner and expression, and had his eyes.'' from thane's lore.
at the very least its implied baden is estrilda's father.
from my understanding of it, anyway.
esp since baden is the only rayne mentioned in thane's lore, and right after that does he mention estrilda's features resembling her father.
so shrug.
dark heath
yeah its confusing lol
dark heath
is that where vedan lives kfoapåaekofakokefa
zenith pond
akjadgkjgf
probably not I'm thinking maybe it's the Mausoleum?? Niru seems the type who'd hunt out such dangerous knowledge
squints
I just can't believe I fuckin' missed niru the first time around
It kinda looks like his animated sprite but from the back?
he is 100% wearing a croptop I will accept nothing else now
bleak notch
Crop top eights
zenith pond
ppl have insisted to me that he has armor there and I'm just like SWEET VALIDATION
But yeah tbh
bleak notch
The phrase ‘defile a grave for science’ pleases me
bleak notch
The Mausoleum sounds like somewhere for Niru to enjoy
zenith pond
god if that's his animated sprite they did a damn good job of editing it tho
rough bolt
What if Gwenyth was Rosaline's alter ego instead of separate character?
I do acknowledge both are different people, just because they looked the same and it first i thought this might be her alter ego.
zenith pond
that would be a cool story to try and write, like an AU
dark heath
yesssss someone please write it and post it here so we can all read. that would be amazing!!
jovial lion
Saying a male pronoun doesn't automatically mean that's Baden tho imo lol
Again, the titles Sir and Lord are different.
That's where my skepticism comes from.
zenith pond
i don't think the afk arena writers would put in that much thought, but I've gone on less for my headcanons. I could see him being an uncle. not what i personally think, but it could be
ember light
If he is Est's pops that also means he has a few more older sons
What if Baden is actually her brother?
zenith pond
mmmm idk I kinda doubt it tbh? he and thane are implied to be the same age. So unless their parents were having babies that long...
which... honestly isn't improbable
ember light
True true im gonna read through the lore again brb
Ok so Estrelia's brothers couldn't have been much older then she was as it says that they were "old enough to see a little blood" and she lost her dad before that. So that works
dark heath
Its not just the pronoun tho lokii. Its the fact that baden is the only rayne mentioned by name in thane's lore and almost right after is estrilda's father mentioned.
But till Lilith proves me wrong; Baden's a daddy
ember light
Dream Deady
jovial lion
Having two male characters right after another also doesn't mean it's a fact.
zenith pond
no one said it was fact
dark heath
I didn't say it was fact. Its the context of it that makes me believe baden's a dad.
Anyway as i said before, untill im proven wrong, baden's a dad. lol.
umbral quarry
I agree, baden's a dad.
dark heath
How many forms of magic are existent in the lore?
Also, would it be possible for us to see Dura once again? 🤔
azure spade
Hello anyone know any codes?
pure meadow
raven kraken
it kinda seems like lilith just makes up magic types when convenient haha
theres the Light, arcane, fire, nature, necromancy, etc.
u right
normal dove
Name: Graben
Nickname: Lantern Keeper
Faction: Lightbringer
Type: Melee Strength
Ultimate: Cave in-(1) taps the flat end of his pick-axe on the ground causing stalactites fall from the 'ceiling' which lasts for 12 seconds. randomly falling on on the entire battlefield. if the enemy is it, they are caused 90% damage and stun for 1.5 seconds per hit. if an ally is hit, they will be they gain a damage recieved reduction of 50% for 1.5 seconds
(2) ally damage recieved reduction is increased to 80%
(3) damage is increased to 200%
2nd ability: Lightkeeper-(1) his lantern shines 90° degrees infront of him. causing the enemies infront of him to be blinded by the light. while in his light, 50% chance of their attack will miss. if he died, the lantern will be drop and remain on the same spot until is picked up by an ally or enemy, if picked up by an ally, they gain the lightkeeper passive. if picked up by an enemy, their attack will miss by 50% until their death.
(2) passive arc is increased to 180° degrees
(3) passive arc is increased to 270° degrees
(4) passive arc is increased to 360° degrees
3rd ability: Tunnel-(1) digs down underneath the surface, while self heals by 5% of their total maximum health before popping back up. behind the enemy with the highest attack rating. using the flat end of his pick-axe, knocks the enemy and stuns them. dealing 100% damage and 3 second stun
(2) damage is increased to 160%
(3) stun duration is increased to 4 seconds
4th Ability: Darkened-(1) for 8 seconds, All allies and enemies on the battlefield suffers 'blindness'. during blindness,90% of enemies attack will miss (9 out of 10 chance). allies will miss 70% while graveborns are less affected by this ability.enemy graveborns will only miss by 60% while ally graveborns will only miss 40%
(2) allies are no longer affected by the blindness
(3) ability duration is increased to 12 seconds
fringe gorge
Hi guys, jakub has confirmed the answer to your question! Baden is not Estrilda's dad, but he is related to her.☺️
I hope that clears it up!
fringe gorge
I mean I was super confused by it too so I always wanted to know.
Could be! Now I'm just really interested to find out related how.☺️
zenith pond
I doubt we'll get that answer any time soon lol
zenith pond
ngl I'm kinda glad that now no one can use estrilda as a 'baden has a kid he couldn't have loved thane' thing
gray gulch
popularizing my ideas huh
gray gulch
lmao
zenith pond
and I doubted you would have said it here
hard jewel
uncle
regal sail
THE WORD OF GOD
cyan sparrow
Thank you Jakub, very cool!
hard jewel
zenith pond
THANK
cyan sparrow
jovial lion
weird how my hunch turned true that baden wasn't the same rayne as her father.
zenith pond
XDD
regal sail
let it not be said that god does not listen to his children
jovial lion
jakub's word is basically word of god.
regal sail
exactly!
tawdry vigil
So... Why the hell does estrilda inherit house rayne? Baden being the lord of the house and all
regal sail
him dead
tawdry vigil
The next lore better be about house rayne @hard jewel , pause the gb one for now, you can't be dropping these bombs on us and leave us hanging
hard jewel
sorry but we gotta finish gbs, next series is about mls
tawdry vigil
tawdry vigil
Guess we wait
cyan sparrow
Oh theres a lot of fanfic
bleak notch
[sticks my leggie out gently] I write fanfic when I can
cyan sparrow
I wrote one good fanfic, and that's about it
gray gulch
(inu is good)
bleak notch
(Cobra is good)
jovial lion
@tawdry vigil bc as stated in her lore, all male members of House Rayne went to fight a battle against Maulers, and only Thane returned. The only members left were the women who, probably bound by the laws of this universe), are unable to properly take up the reigns of the house. Estrilda ended up fighting in a tournament while under the disguise of a young boy, before taking off her helm before the king, revealing she was in fact a girl. He allowed her to become a knight and she took up the reigns for leading House Rayne as well.
tawdry vigil
Thane tho...
jovial lion
Also, Thane is not related to her, and thus not an heir. He returned to the House because of the loyalty he pledged.
He cannot officially take the reigns of the house, it is not his birthright.
zenith pond
Thane is the Castellan, he's not actually a Rayne tho
tawdry vigil
No male kiddies?
zenith pond
they died in battle
tawdry vigil
No
raven kraken
yeah thanes part of the greater "house" like a court of sorts? idk hehe
tawdry vigil
Like when they come of agez they be the heir
zenith pond
they did come of age and went into battle and died
jovial lion
All the potential male heirs are all dead.
tawdry vigil
Cant all be of age by that time
zenith pond
It literally says so in Estrilda's lore
jovial lion
I think it was hinted they were just barely old enough to be sent off to fight.
Regardless, thats just how its written for now, all male Raynes are gone.
raven kraken
i feel like if estrilda had a lil brother or nephew still alive theyd be mentioned haha
or cousin
tawdry vigil
It's weird tho, jakub better clear that up. I mean it makes perfect sense if estrilda was baden's daughter that she inherit house rayne, but damn, not exactly the one directly in line for succession
jovial lion
yeah i believe it explicitly states no one else was there.
well um.
estrilda was lord rayne's daughter...
raven kraken
estrilda isnt badens daughter tho what i thought this was cleared up,,,? o_o am i confused
jovial lion
lord rayne was head of the house so yeah... she is directly in line...
jovial lion
baden would be sir rayne given his title i th i n k
regal sail
yeah like fifteen minutes ago in this chat
jovial lion
he wasn't in control of the house 
gray gulch
ppl in charge of house rayne, probably: seems like all heirs are dead and we can't make thane the leader because he isn't rayne
ppl: let's get some random non-rayne boys to fight and make one of them head of the house
🤔
is that how it goes
jovial lion
no
gray gulch
lol
jovial lion
all the male heirs to house rayne, aka relatives of estrilda, are all dead.
those are ALL the soldiers who were sent to fight.
the rayne family.
raven kraken
estrilda is the daughter of the lord but isjt baden not the lord? am i dumb af i thought that with that clarification hed just be a sir
gray gulch
and that disproves my post because..?
raven kraken
since estrilda is heir and baden isnt her dad
regal sail
the Maulers are very anti-Y-chromosome apparently
jovial lion
@raven kraken i think i may have said it b4, but Lord is above "Sir" when it comes to noble titles. Lord Rayne would be Estrilda's dad, and Sir Rayne was probably Baden.
tawdry vigil
No u cant lead house rayne despite being its only remaining legacy
raven kraken
ok yeah
tawdry vigil
jovial lion
houses dont work like that l o l
guys it requires an heir related by blood
thane isnt...
raven kraken
im just xonfused ill go then heh
zenith pond
Yeah they require blood family
jovial lion
sa;kfjk;dfe bye alice
raven kraken
zenith pond
It was probably up in the air
regal sail
In Thane's union story it talks about how Sir Baden Rayne was the head of the house and then refers to him as Lord Rayne
zenith pond
until estrilda won the tournament
jovial lion
those are 100% different titles though.
tawdry vigil
What
zenith pond
thus making both sir and lord at different times
regal sail
They are different titles, but they were both extant in Baden
tawdry vigil
I could see that possibility @zenith pond
regal sail
because of the UI changes it now says "union story" when you click to see the story on the portraits page
regal sail
we live in a society
bottom text
gray gulch
y'all really are arguing over lore of a mobile gacha game,,
jovial lion
and even if Baden were considered the next heir, nobility doesn't work like that oof
gray gulch
😔
zenith pond
thats what we do stas
tawdry vigil
Why can't we?
regal sail
yes it is Very Important™
tawdry vigil
Its a good lore
zenith pond
it's the lore discussion channel lmao
jovial lion
if there's younger Raynes, that Estrilda has brothers, they'd be first in line to take Lord Rayne's place.
not Baden.
gray gulch
because i want everyone to live in peace and never disagree with each other
jovial lion
if there were no male offspring for the house, then it would go to Baden, brother of Estrilda's father.
gray gulch
😔
tawdry vigil
Ahz that's also true
jovial lion
but there were clearly other younger men of the house.
so idk if Lilith takes into account how passing along head of the House or Crown works.
zenith pond
probably not of age
jovial lion
but u hh h
zenith pond
then again child kings are a thing
regal sail
the thing that makes me think Baden was Lord Rayne is that Thane's story says "[...] had it not been for the timely intervention of Sir Baden Rayne, the head of the house[...]"
then
"He knew that had it not been for Lord Rayne[...]"
then
"When the remaining Rayne men died off in one tragic battle[...]"
which I think doesn't preclude the possibility of Baden's unnamed brother, who was Estrilda's father, having inherited the title after Baden's death and then dying in the subsequent battle which killed off all the Rayne men
tawdry vigil
I bet their moms were getting them ready to inherit house rayne, but estrilda proved herself in that tournament
jovial lion
crown or house responsibility doesn't deny the age of a character.
regal sail
Baden was Sir Baden and was also Lord Rayne, but then he died, and THEN all the other Rayne men died later
tawdry vigil
So, no contest, king backed estrilda's claim too
jovial lion
and no the women weren't allowed to, why else would Estrilda be disguised as a boy.
otherwise Estrilda's mother would've inherited the rights to the House almost immediately after word of the death of her husband and other relatives came.
but the society in Esperia seems patriarchal, similar or parallel to our own medieval or fantasy variant societies.
so it wouldn't be allowed to go with the women of the house.
deep summit
....Hollow knight au
tasi is.. most suited for it tbh shes already butterfly she could be Essence
Another detail: Fawkes has Lifeblood and bloodbornes it
as in gets lost in the Sauce and loses it
dark heath
😔 thats unfortunate information.
manic forum
tawdry narwhal
it's hard to make distinctive characters yet still have the same art style tho'
dark heath
lilith is just scared to design women that dont look ideally attractive bc they dont wanna lose audience
zenith pond
I've seen what the concept designer can do
it's not the artist's fault
but what Lilith is giving them
dark heath
i mean i myself can make my characters look pretty distinct despite my style.
so its rly just lilith limiting them
umbral quarry
Give me a buff, but chubby woman lilith!
deep summit
base her off of actually strong ppl like they look fat bc of the muscle being round
fair wasp
speaking of designing women
I was looking at antandra n satrana’s designs
in their animations, both of their breasts are JIGGLING around
like it’s really clear if you take a look
I don’t look into lore much but I’ve been meaning to comment on a few things
fair wasp
lightbearers seem like all the normal citizens, graveborn are basically the dead citizens, wilders are forest creatures, and maulers are desert (?) creatures
I find it pretty disgusting that they sexualize women but a few people I know don’t really give a fuck
mehira is basically the afk arena version of a succubus
zenith pond
there are many fucks given here
fair wasp
super glad others think the same way
they will happily make tiny scrawny men, big buff men, all types of men (yikes I don’t mean to sexualize men in this) but all women are the same: boobful and thicc
this just contradicts what I said before about the lore
mauler men are basically desert creatures and hybrids
mauler women are sexual furries
that’s true
I think Lilith expects human females to give birth to hybrids and full on animals
zenith pond
and like if they're not boobful (glorious word, instant addition to my vocab) they're kids, basically
fair wasp
haha thank you, boobful is my go-to description of afk arena women
I posted this pic on Reddit but nobody cared, so I thought people interested in this game’s lore might
apparently tavern girl has a name??? and it’s Dolly??
fair wasp
the blurbs are super fun to read, they’re great spoilers for new heroes
they said stuff about Zolrath’s deja vu and time related abilities
zenith pond
ye
fair wasp
and about a mean nun in the lightbearer town (probably gwyneth)
super curious about this one though, haven’t heard anything about a new wilder
I legit hate the afk aspect of this game and usually go on this server to complain about my nonexistent progress (yikes, I’m THAT person) so I find the conversations on the lore channel quite interesting
fair wasp
I’m a noob at the lore shit so spending time reading all the stories will be a good way to wait
h lemme send that one
assumed it was gwyn because she’s an archer (I think) and this one’s doing rounds around the city
I was assuming because they almost always do blurbs for new heroes
it’s a far connection though
this one is for Zolrath though
hmm yeah
the nun and wilder are probably two new ones
I’d actually like to see a wilder mage/intellectual besides nemora and tasi (tasi’s more of a fairy to me)
jovial lion
@fair wasp mehira is a succubus...
jovial lion
Also tasi is a fairy
Shrug I made an in depth suggestion previously for variations
It didn't make it into developer feedback
pliant grove
.loreshemira
wanton swallowBOT
final orchid
Wait theres a lore command
.lorekhasos
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
zenith pond
it's only for certain characters, sadly
potent hamlet
Does anyone wanna join my guild I can have 20 more members my guilds ID is 400846
golden kettle
.loreshemira
wanton swallowBOT
zenith pond
check the pinned messages
they have a list yall
also the bot only works like
with a certain cooldown
golden kettle
zenith pond
Who knows
jovial lion
As of right this moment, Ferael isn't in any unions. The bot simply displays lore information, so the individual hero's story.
raven kraken
it looks like a fan creation so whoever made those probably just never came back to them
golden kettle
Probably just the ones they've gotten done so far, retyping stuff from the game sucks
I retyped all the Wilder unions and stuff for the wiki page and it sucked so copying the stories can't be much easier
especially with the smattered typos ingame
dark heath
since they have acess to the game files, i imagine they could just have copy and pasted the text?
golden kettle
In which case I am very jealous
zenith pond
or from AFKArena.net
all the lore is transcribed there
at least the character lore
unions not so much but still
alpine barn
wait, so if Baden's not Estrilda's father, then what are all those references to her having Thane's old friend's eyes about?
zenith pond
If Baden and her father were brothers it's very possible that's where the connection comes from
alpine barn
But then it's not significant
zenith pond
I mean
if your best friend's niece reminds you of them that feels significant
we know Baden is her uncle at least
golden kettle
wait baden isnt estrilda's father?
zenith pond
Nope, Jakub confirmed, he's her uncle
dark heath
is thane related to estrilda's dad then?
zenith pond
No, Thane isn't a Rayne
golden kettle
whaaaaaaat
alpine barn
We each have our own parts of canon we ignore, and this is mine.
zenith pond
a lot of ppl are ignoring it lmao
golden kettle
im not complaining. its still ten times the lore of overwatch
dark heath
kmfåKFÅEOAKFAE
zenith pond
ryykdhtjsraehsfgjhjsfhdSGFZgjxhcv
golden kettle
when do ya'll think the wiki contest results will go out
alpine barn
they usually take about 10 days after any contest for judging, I think
golden kettle
swag
rough bolt
Damn so baden isn't Estrilda's father
mint sundial
uh-
rough bolt
Forget i said that
primal pelican
f for all the baden as estrilda's father fanfics and fanart
alpine barn
And Silvina was trained to be an assassin since she was an infant
It's only canon it you let it be!
jovial lion
I think the author's decide what's canon to be honest.
alpine barn
You wouldn't say that about JK Rowling~
dark heath
They may decide it but that doesn't mean we have to go by it.
rough bolt
Yeah, it's up to you whether to follow it or ignore it
jovial lion
I actually do not care about JK Rowling but she does what she wants with her characters.
But if I'm honest if someone disrespected what I said about how my characters should be presented I'd be furious.
So that's how I felt what I said the author's decide whether we as the audience like it or not.
gentle knot
That's part of putting art out there is people will interpret it however they want and in different ways
And sometimes it's probably gonna diverge from your intention
That's part of the artistic process
zenith pond
Yeah, a major part of art in general is outside interpretation. You can change and shift how people might see your work, but you can never control or guarantee what someone thinks or takes from the piece.
The best art sparks thought, sparks discussion. I know his sounds pompous, but it includes media and fandoms. Characters and worlds.
jovial lion
I think like 100% of the time I state info on my ocs so there's no excuse.
gentle knot
Yeah but you can never state like
Everything
There's always room for creative interpretation and like
That's gonna happen no matter what
zenith pond
Rigid over-characterizations leave no room for the viewer to relate and enjoy in my experience.
zenith pond
Ye I can agree with that. I'm writing a book myself so I'm kinda in that second mindset
gentle knot
Lol
Me: i'm working on these stories--
Me, sitting alone in a room, doing nothing: i'm thinking about them so hard
dark heath
hey!! brainstorming is work.
gentle knot
Mfw brainstorming for years straight
dark heath
hell yeah mood
gentle knot
Lmao
gaunt pewter
It makes so much sense
dark heath
zenith pond
That's just this channel in a nutshell
golden kettle
did someone say.......... severe torture
gritty viper
cyan sparrow
oh god
you made me REMEMBER
also yes Numisu is Estrilda's daddy father
"forgive me, father." - Estrilda, 2019
"sorry, daddy." - Lil' Strilda, 2030
your complaints only make my power grow
ornate garden
im more concerned abt "lil' strilda" than the daddy part
cyan sparrow
Estrilda is a mumble rapper in her free time, you didn't know?
cyan sparrow
"bro ngl been feeling kinda down since they took my horse to another cell block."
neon vault
Thats not really lore related 👀
ornate garden
on god im 90% sure this isn't what this channel is for
but ykw headcanons are lore now
cyan sparrow
fan fictions are covered in the rules
cyan sparrow
Modern Rappers AU
ornate garden
tasi is lil tay
neon vault
Ye i will be watching
cyan sparrow
Baden will be xxxTentacion
vast widget
No trolling ofc.
ornate garden
hey man this isn't trolling it's a fanfic
vast widget
Please.
ornate garden
sldndbsjsh sorry
gritty viper
Wait, is it really trolling?
I kinda liked the Mumble rappers AU
Just another view to the characters other than the gæ trope
candid violet
But then again, his AU is not at all lore related 
So yeah, really is trolling
gritty viper
Ok then, time for this chat to R.I.P a couple hours once again 😔
golden kettle
gwyneth... your form........... blease...................
light aurora
whats does AU stand for ? Approximately Unrelated ? About Unreal ? Australian Unicorn ?
dark heath
alternate universe
light aurora
golden kettle
me in #classic-suggestions : observe professional archers when designing an archer hero
me: gets a warning
okay so gwyneth is just, like, gonna shred her arms then ig
her ascended art has six armguards
now i want a lore reason she has bad form
fossil rose
I agree with you, it looks better in game if heros have good form, as a swords man some of the melee combat also fustrates me
Just noticed Wilder bows have no bowstrings
zenith pond
Magic strings
light aurora
where do you see 6 armguards ?
golden kettle
it was just a joke
like how avengers hawkeye is wearing two armguards in the first movie because jeremy renner kept smacking his wrist with the string
light aurora
that sounds like Ray J beanie changing every 10 sec (out of context soz :p)
jovial lion
Well, if you wanted anything considered "final" or as a suggestion fr, you use [OC] or [LORE].
Maybe the restrictions on the channel should be adjusted? @steady zenith
cosmic bolt
Hi all
golden kettle
tbh im kind of worried im being targeted bc i keep pointing out that they're not actually doing the top ten suggestions each week and are ignoring suggestions about drop rates, so i get warnings for things like suggesting archer characters use proper form
but 🤷
anyways, maybe there should be a lore reason gwyneth doesn't use proper form
i.e. dura granted her extreme strength or something
that way at least it's explained and not just "we didn't research archery before making an archer"
im in
dark heath
hell yeah
golden kettle
lilith give me girls that have, like, more than one body type
i cant tell gwyneth and rosaline apart
light aurora
The Fair Maiden
Rosa is a Maid
maybe that's why
By day, Rosa is a Maid, when she sees the sign on the sky, she becomes the En, Maid-En
Her broom stick become a bow
she also likes to clean, have thing shiny
dark heath
woah she looks smol
gritty iris
drowsy python
So... what was the point of saving the village if Zolrath still exists on the present anyways for berating you for burning it down?
gentle knot
Short ppl rights
tawdry vigil
U save the village so the ancestors of the summoners who will summon zolrath in the present time gets to yeet and breed
We are neutral in the war
Not since when they released hypogean allies
drowsy python
@tawdry vigil but he’ll still show up to complain even when you burn down the village
tawdry vigil
He probably faded after that heh
drowsy python
Still doesn’t explain how he was able to set the gates prior and all
tawdry vigil
Oh no plan ruined, then he got thanos snapped outta existence
Itsa time paradox, just like in MIB, Will smith gotta go back to set himself to be the Will snitj he is
drowsy python
Hmmm... big thonk
What if Zolrath from a sucessful summoning timeline used the gates himsef to go back and bait the heroes into summoning his other self into another timeline?
tawdry vigil
The most likely idea is he had to alter something in that timeline, like i dunno, murder a possible threat, at the cost of possibly interfering with the ancestors of those who summoned him
drowsy python
What, some time-traveling hypogean nightmare was worrying over some lvl 170 mauler ragtag bandits?
fossil rose
This is the reason, he did this to ensure he was summoned
Sorry for the double post my internet is currently messed up
fossil rose
Yes this is just all an elaborate plan to ensure his birth, the plus side this means he can't remove us from before this time or he will cease to exist... That's why the heros are still alive
Time travel
He exists in the future due to our actions, so he went back to ensure those actions happen
It's called a time paradox
?
fossil rose
Of course there is the concept of time destiny, you went back in time because what you do back in time causes you to go back in time
gritty viper
He's making sure to do the exact same things so he doesn't frick over his birth
The real timeline is the one that leads to his birth anyway
The other ones are just to get the other chests
Yeah, I had to watch 3 times his team being butchered till I won
fossil rose
The complexity of time travel
gritty viper
Teemo finally a mod
neon vault
gritty viper
Sowy
fossil rose
It's more about his origin story in the voyage of wonders then his story thing
gritty viper
So it is on his union story
fossil rose
Yes but you don't read it, it's not the in the book that every character has
fossil rose
It's the current voyage
gritty viper
It's part of his lore but the book doesn't mention it
I don't really think his lore is that important, unless the heroes he manipulated to be born are some of the current heroes we have and not some random ppl
Brb
Gonna read it
Meh, he's probably the most dangerous heroe of them all but his lore doesn't explain that much
golden kettle
i got 3k diamonds for my wilders article on the wiki \o/
remote vortex
Zolrath is at least one of the most powerful so oof
gritty viper
He's the most powerful one
I mean
Just look at his lore
He might be the one letting the rest of the heroes live and fight each other just to have sum fun
tawdry vigil
Time travelers are always boring ass op characters
gray gulch
doctor who though
rough bolt
If there's a Time Control Hypogean, there's a Time Control Celestial.
muted chasm
:0
muted chasm
Idk
jovial lion
Why control time when you can just have a character like Goosefeather who is sent visions of things to come that are never wrong and nothing can ever stop them?
But nobody believes em?
dark heath
All hypogean wants the hypogean to reign supreme
Just hear to what he says when he does his attack doppelganger
Dura died but Annih didn't, force isnt balanced in the Galaxy
So somewhere we'll just end up killing Annih and he's gonna split himself into 7 dark artifacts ?
Annih's Calling, Annih Conviction, all of that
jovial lion
Shrug
fair wasp
now that I think about it
would celestials or hypogeans be more powerful (from a lore standpoint, not inquiring about the game)
fossil rose
Celestials are like angels, and hypogeans are like demons. This meens that they are equal in power, and thus it is an individual vs individual basis on who is stronger.
The real question is who's master is stronger
muted chasm
Angels are demons in their own right
zenith pond
Considering Dura died to seal them, I'd imagine the Hypogean are stronger
Thus why all four factions must come together to defeat them, otherwise Celestials could face off against them alone on even footing
storm copper
well if they re like angels or like demons, theorically angels would be strongers just for the simple fact:
God -> archangels + angels
Lucifer (an archangel) -> demons
if we re talking about angels* and demons*, becouse Angels are directly created from god, demons are created from an archangel. it can't be compared in strenght.
i d say more: Celestial can be compared to holy heroes, who borrows powers from gods
Hypog, are evil heroes who obtained powers with black magic ecc.
zenith pond
Annih isn't lucifer tho
Annih is another god
and annih created the hypogeans
Dura created the celestials
they're really not super comparable to the mainstream demons and angels except in aesthetic
gentle knot
Tbh
jovial lion
You say "who has the stronger master" but its proven Annih literally shanked Dura in an alleyway and she exploded into 7 artifacts.
But, hypogeans are the demons of Esperia.
That i cite to the union story for the Lightbringers.
Hypogean spirits are capable of influencing and possessing the different peoples of Esperia and can actually transform them into a classic looking demon.
They aren't the exact demons from past or current religions, but they are effectively a malignant and naturally evil aligned being in the universe.
And celestials aren't angels, more like demi-gods.
zenith pond
I think it's implied the twins are actually gods, just serving dura
but I haven't read their lore in a hot second
gray gulch
also
:thonk:
jovial lion
"in the beginning"
zenith pond
I mean, Annih also had time to perfect his creations, make them perfect against Dura's
He had the opportunity to watch the mortals and celestials
jovial lion
annih does not give a single fuck and i mean same bastard energy.
gray gulch
that makes me think
jovial lion
annih and his son, kane
zenith pond
LOL
jovial lion
grez is inferior fire hair man
jovial lion
look pretty.
gray gulch
:thonkintensifies:
jovial lion
annih: i create demons called hypogeans
literally everyone: why the fuck do you look like graveborn kin
annih: 💦
zenith pond
Fjdisifjskjf
gray gulch
i mean he should probably be able to time travel himself otherwise how could he create zolrath
or is it normal for gods to create people more powerful than themselves
it's 6 am why am i thinking about gacha game lore
jovial lion
a god is a god.
annih controls death which essentially, if you think about it, ascends beyond past present and future. its endless and is always there.
gray gulch
thanks for your insight
jovial lion
so annih isnt overshadowed by much.
gray gulch
ok but can he time travel
jovial lion
gray gulch
jovial lion
mind you im talking about the concept of a death god in general
and im not sure we know the limits of power for either dura or annih
or even their parent god
w/e the fuck his name was
gray gulch
so annih can time travel
gray gulch
so he can't
jovial lion
sigh its extremely hard to explain exactly how i feel about "gods of death" without sounding like some nutjob prophet.
death is very weird for me personally, it exists outside of time and space
time itself, can die. space itself can die and will die.
the universe will die eventually.
its a force that transcends past time itself.
even the greeks kinda got this, since the god of time, Chronos, wielded a scythe as he harvested time and often thought of like a god of death so its.
gray gulch
zolrath is more powerful than annih confirmed
jovial lion
very difficult.
livid gulch
Can someone help me about 2 heroes?
gray gulch
if annih can't time travel he better not piss off zolrath or esperia will have a new god of death
wait can a god of death even die
bleak notch
I'll bet Quaedam can time travel
gray gulch
if the goddess of life can-
jovial lion
big sigh
bleak notch
he's a cooler death god anyways Annih is a poser
jovial lion
annih at this rate is a godlike demon.
gray gulch
quaedam is one of the folks
zenith pond
tbh yeah according to the GB lore, Annih abandoned his post as a death god
gray gulch
quaedam for president
zenith pond
hgfkhjb
bleak notch
Oh Hell Yeah
gray gulch
annih is like a rich kid turned into a successful businessman, not impressive
big q tho?
he worked his way up
bleak notch
zenith pond
H E H
gray gulch
nice
zenith pond
that's still one of my favorite tags on ur works inu
bleak notch
Me Too
zenith pond
S TAS,,,
gray gulch
that's what he looks like, change my mind
zenith pond
;;;w;;; ❤ ❤
gray gulch
he's got 4 tits
no design can top that
bleak notch
I like the veiled face idea
gray gulch
def not lilith, they're weak
bleak notch
and. So many eyes. A + design
gray gulch
"he wears a veil on his face"
"but how does he see?"
"... :)"
bleak notch
well he's a god so he can do whatever he wants
strong ledge
You know what? The roster needs more Graveborns and Celestials.
strong ledge
Oh, right. Because Elijah and Lailah.
fair wasp
technically but not really
since they function as one hero
I wanna see another celestial because they’re so heavenly n majestic
I love mythology and gods and stuff but know absolutely nothing about that lore
jovial lion
I mean angels in their own right are a little kinda sorta maybe evil in a very specific way. Since it's a one way ticket to hell by their judgement if you do one thing considered wrong
alpine barn
Let's not get into religion here, people
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If this isnt about AFK Arena take this to #545919777907015684
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I said #545919777907015684
deep summit
im getting real tempted to write something about zolrath realizing that despite his opness he aint shit in the eyes of the primal force of death
wrong chat and also no
at least not that i know of
gray gulch
what is happening
bleak notch
heck if I know
gray gulch
fhjgfgj
bleak notch
sorry to cuss
gray gulch
watch your fucking language
bleak notch
listen there are probably yougins in this chatroom.
deep summit
oh frick i cant swear
gray gulch
😔
vast widget
Lets keep it about lore. 
gray gulch
fawkes is bald
bleak notch
considered
gentle knot
Skreg sees Estrilda and Lyca racing and wants to join but ironjaws just aren't equipped for speed
So he keeps losing and is so bummed that Lyca and Estrilda just let him win one race and it makes his whole day
Is this corny and dumb? Yes
Do i love it anyways? Yes
bleak notch
Lyca and Estrilda also have like a gay rivalry thing going on
gray gulch
excuse me have you seen that shit yeeting away after skreg dies
it kills my full hp arden
he would win
if not by speed then by threatening to eat their horse/deer if he loses
tawdry field
A rhino's (closest thing I can think to equivalent) top speed is 55 km/h
A world record holding horse runs 88 km/h
But theadveage horse gallop is 40-48
gray gulch
ok so
skreg wants a race
estri and lyca are like are you going to race on that lmao good luck boi
tawdry field
Good boi ironjaw plods up to starting line ..
gray gulch
then he starts fucking flying right from the start
estri and lyca stay on the start line like is there a point in trying
deep summit
wait but what is a deer's top speed
tawdry field
Well..
On a flat strait away Arabian Horses can get up to 65 km/h
But who would ride a speed horse as a war horse?
deep summit
sonic would
tawdry field
Depends on the deer
deep summit
tru
gray gulch
a horse would only slow sonic down smh
deep summit
he rides the horse to be fair
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deep summit
its like cars
vast widget
Sonic in afk damn, i must have missed it
gray gulch
it's in the next update
deep summit
anyways back on topic we should find the closest analogue to lyca's star deer
gray gulch
lilith have a collab with sega
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gray gulch
sowwy for broken english it's 5 am
tawdry field
Reindeer could give Skreg a run for their money (60-80 km/h) but they are too beefy to be close to be Lyca's skinny deer
^not really related.
Just cute
umbral kiln
Graveborns are bad ya ?
gray gulch
skreg: i want to ride a deer too
lyca: sure gives him that
fossil rose
So skreg's ironjaw could actually win the race based on the numbers, assuming it's run is similar to the rhino
fossil rose
Sil died because she couldn't kill a father infront of his daughter. She is an assassin, her kills are a job, not out of enjoyment. Now Vivian and Nara are better examples of an evil GB. As for post reserection, I think it's safe to say Quaedem is evil, and thus corrupts the other gb to his will.
deep summit
yeah q's influence really muddies the moral waters a bit
she just failed to get her quarry bc she got mad
or smth i forget the right term
like furious at life i guess?
hence morally grey at best
niru is a p good example
he used necromancy, a supposedly evil art, to aid the living and got executed for his trouble
ur valid
there could be more good graveborns in the future
👀
wait no
two graveborne logos are just eyes emoji but facing forwards
both
at the same time
grizzled plume
Thanks now it looks like a snakes eyes
fossil rose
In sil's story it mentioned a compassion, she hesitated for a moment because the consequences of the kill where revealed, thus allowing Lord Raine to react, it's in the last statement mentioning that "any vestige of compassion lost". Again assassins are not necessarily evil, they just are sent on hard jobs to remove good people, expesualy when they are raised and controlled by evil men.
tawdry field
Legit with the threat of people coming back from the dead or the saltiest old relatives sticking around for hundreds of years it's a wonder that anything ever advanced
Burn Your Dead
I bet assassins are hella expensive.
there's always the chance if you come back from the dead and then haunt you for eternity/enslave you to a lich/ destroy everything you ever held dear.
That has to up the risk pay
deep summit
that seems reasonable enough to demand more gold for that sort of work
umbral kiln
I think Baden is good
Who’s shemira’s husband and kid?
I didn’t know grez was good, they make him look so bad , especially in the ads xd
Niru !? Come on she can do better than niru
Aha anyways I’m just gonna assume that maulers are big evil and wilders are like independent just wanna protect the forest and stuff
fair wasp
maulers seem to always cause riots
like they’re fighting the lb for no reason if I remember correctly
honestly my lore knowledge is shit
muted chasm
@umbral kiln niru was a nice person as a medic once
tawdry field
I love the Maulers to
Their society just seems very fudal.
This might be partially because their territory has shrunk causing groups already under duress to be forced to interact.
I may be rembering that wrong. But I want to say theres hints that LBs may have taken land away from Maulers.
umbral kiln
I can see that. Lightbearers probably went on conquest , but at the same time maulers just seem like they were raised in a savage environment.
dark heath
Bold of you to assume Lilith cares and if they did they would have avoided the "middle eastern/south asian/foreign associated with brutality etc" shtick
Hell, Morvus is literally whitewashed in his official art.
bold breach
tawdry field
All the same, centaurs are the best this universe
.
They go from being enslaved, extorted and harried to rising to power.
They do fall into the trap of revenge , oppressing the bears BUT they do bears a chance at freedom.
dark heath
Either way centaurs are dummy thick no matter what and I respect that very much.
hard jewel
fossil rose
I agree with thot on this one
jovial lion
Morvus isn't whitewashed in his art. The busts all have a tiny bit of light shined on them. It's focused on his face.
I've seen millions of different color picks of images of dark skinned people in neutral light vs. actual light or flash from a camera. It's not unusual.
muted chasm
Probably Kelthur’s title is after Plaguegrip rather than the organisation being named after Kelthur’s title
jovial lion
Hell his skin tone in light does match an image of Will Smith actually.
dark heath
Kelthur might even made the org himself. Seeking revenge of his untimely death and to honor the Grave Vow whom he owed his 2nd life from.
@static cargo
muted chasm
holy donkeys, you guys are really in depth in lore
dark heath
Probably read some since I can’t progress any further lol
muted chasm
boof
dark heath
Morvus depiction in light is not how dark skin actually reflects lights. There's no excuse that the artist couldn't use a reference.
muted chasm
i want an update on that Fawkes and Mehira stuff
dark heath
Speaking of updates, lore stories are even more often atm. If you compare it to the last code given which is months ago lol
muted chasm
true
dark heath
If youre still gonna argue loki then ur just wrong lmao
It doesnt matter
Hes still whitewashed as heck and saying he isnt is just lying
Someone as dark skinned as morvus would not even be that light. Esp all over
deep summit
I think they were talking about the portrait being yknow
dark heath
Lilith doesnt care lmap
No doubt there
Shrey im saying hes whitewshed in his offixial art
Not his model speite
muted chasm
That’s for sure he is
dark heath
Yes thats my point
zenith pond
walks in ready to scream about assassins-- oh we're talking about how shitty Lilith is with dark skintones, yeah no it's fucking bad Morvus is way whitewashed I agree
Anyways I'm hype that Ferael and Kelthur are implied to be in the same organization but boy id like some more detailed lore on the characters like we got for Grez and Thoran
deep summit
I haven’t even drawn my ocs yet
zenith pond
They could at least say Fer and Kel are part of it
They did in the header?
Hold on
deep summit
I don’t read the lore bc going onto Facebook gives me big anxiety
zenith pond
You don't have to be logged in I don't think and it just shows the lore
deep summit
Thatd be neat ye
deep summit
Sjhdbdbdb valid
jovial lion
You can call me a liar but I've seen huge discussions with Nessa so honestly, I'm not listening. Because I've been there looking at these things for a while.
Morvus isn't white washed.
Case closedm
muted chasm
Morvus is a tater
zenith pond
ok buddy
muted chasm
zenith pond
I'm hoping a graveborn hero comes out next and I hope they bring in some of the new lore with them
muted chasm
daimon pls
zenith pond
I've been begging for Daimon for months pls,,
deep summit
Ohohohoho hypo clown looks like a bastard lizard already I like this vibe
zenith pond
Hypo clown?
deep summit
Hypogean oc
muted chasm
Zolrath’s design is so weird so cool
deep summit
She’s a jester who has a dragon face
raven kraken
the convos over so smh @ me but i think part of why morvus (even arden and ogi) are colored lighter skinned is bc the artist employs color shades that drift to the mid tones, so its never too dark or too light (like ardens sprites white hair is more rice colored in his char art) but its defo most glaring with morvus
dark heath
Its feustrating bc the artist is very capable and talented but yeah
But anyway ill prob make another gb
muted chasm
I don’t really care about the color tones so reeee
raven kraken
artists from asia mishandling the depiction of darker skinned characters to some capacity isnt a new thing sadly but u right😔
elfin river
Ogi and Arden both look like they’re in front of a glowing yellow light. That matches with Nemora, who also has that yellow tint, and they’re all in a union together so that kinda works.
Same with Morvus, alongside Angelo and Hogan. They’re standing in bright sunlight from what it looks
And beside those complaints, Kaz, Raine and Seirus all seem to be colored appropriately, so I dunno if the blanket statement of the artists misrepresenting people of color is quite appropriate
dark heath
raine is not a good example lol
raven kraken
i was speaking generally, and i dont believe that im wrong. i dont say it with animosity, its just true that in east asia, where pale skin is favored, subconscious favor towards such skin tones perpetuates
dark heath
in raine's official art, raine's lower body is weirdly lighter than her face.
adn yo ucan say its the lightning, but i realy dont believe lightning would do that.
seirus and kaz dont seem to be a victim of the lightning issue though.
raven kraken
and i do hope that east asian artists freely diversify and depict all skin tones in the future more. however, if you look at manhwa/manga and many sites that are dominated by artists from that region (like pixiv), its hard to deny that pale skin is the vast majority of characters and many, though not all, tanner people are lightened
zenith pond
And if they're blatantly black they're parodied. But that's #545919777907015684 af.
I thought Raine was wearing like leggings or smthn
dark heath
she does wear a legging on one of her legs but its ripped halfway
the other is a long bandage that doesnt cover all teh way.
odd clothing choice but i guess it be liek that sometimes
final orchid
There seem to be 2 versions of the official art, the original and the filtered version. Like how khasos's arm is way lighter than the rest of his body, but I've seen a version of his art where it matches the rest of his furtone (?). In the little preview thingy of morvuss art his skin tone is a lot more realistically lit
dark heath
really?
final orchid
But the full version def has a filter
dark heath
huh
theres a version in the game that is filtered even more
so theres 3
no idea why theyd filter it so much since this version youve shown is far better
final orchid
Tbh
dark heath
but good info thank you
wait does this mean lilith is made of vsco girls
faefälfëal¨sorry
rough bolt
It might be the light source that made him whiter than his in game sprites
bleak notch
Looks like Thane
modern void
Man, they've been releasing a ton of Graveborn lore the last few months. Have they done similar things with the other factions?
gentle knot
Nope not yet
static cargo
@deep summit
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kWNlV1s3Dh-cvGwOD5JsZgMWxn74G93nHmbotK7UIwE/edit?usp=sharing
Here's the compiled lore so far. Comments are enabled if any of y'all have any things you want to discuss in the lore directly
deep summit
zenith pond
@modern void The lore is being released by faction. Graveborn first and I think jakub has said mauler will be next
novel forge
Mestake
rough bolt
to #lineup-help
unkempt sage
I have a question about lore. The idea of the game's story is that we are rounding up people to fight the Hypogeans because they want to destroy everything. So... why do we have Hypogean heroes?
rough bolt
Maybe some of them don't like doing their job as hypogeans supposed to do normally.
deep summit
or could be playing double agent
cosmic bolt
Beep
cyan sparrow
Cool lore!
umbral kiln
yea it'd be cool if lillith made a series on this universe
would totally watch when i'm stuck af on campaign
halcyon heron
I know that this is just for convenience but
I'm really set on a theory that Thane lies about having just one arm to seem cooler
sick pebble
Can you only become a graveborn if you are human? Or if you die as a wilder or mauler you can be resurrected as well
halcyon heron
Graveborns are just big brain zombies so it's likely possible for other races
fossil rose
I'd say it is possible for the mauler and Wilder races to become graveborn. But maulers are creatures of honor, so cheating death would be looked down on in their cultures. Wilders are strongly conected to the life of the forest, they look at cheating death as an abomination, and aligning oneself with death, which Is a part of being graveborn, would be deniying their nature.
errant loom
@static cargo am I able to share that lore doc with my discord server?
halcyon heron
Yeah but some Graveborns are also without consent, like Baden. Lilith give us weird furry Graveborns pls.
proud vessel
This game is about cannibalism
They eat themselves to get stronger
Saveas' giant meat he carries around is his fodder he saved for later
sick pebble
How is that lore
deep summit
saveas eats meat
fossil rose
Yes but we are meat
broken fulcrum
So is Skreg and his partner like in a relationship? Since the lore never really gave the iron-jaw a gender
broken fulcrum
@dull pendant without the mythic item you mean?
dull pendant
Isn’t that what I said.
broken fulcrum
I thought you meant like mythic tier 😛
narrow shadow
who's the enchantress in ferael's story?
zenith pond
We don't know. She's dead, now, but she could very well come back as a graveborn hero
rough bolt
If she does, what do you think she's gonna do to Ferael?
zenith pond
Who knows
golden kettle
canon
dark heath
Wats lore
verbal thorn
saveas is just straight fucked, he cuts himself to make him stronger for fights and he's a herbivore animal but eats meat
also I haven't read new heros but I think we have hypogens because the 2 we have aren't really fighting for hypogen causes anymore, ezizh is for tasi and mehira was for fawkes
just read zolath and it just says he removed heroes from time so idk
also oooooo Gwyneth is connected to skreg
deep summit
Zolrath thinks he’s hot shit and only buddies up with the other heroes so they ensure his summoning via stable time loop shenanigans
tough heron
@fossil rose what if one is an abamination themselve
s*
I mean humans aren't the only ones who are guilty, ok? At least in this game
@dark heath the wisdom that lies within sth such as AfkA
Or dota2, harry, or bionic... habits and LoR
fossil rose
Yes because he was raised against his will, as a man with honor as a part of him, honor that would normally prevent him from rising
tough heron
Who?
fossil rose
The obomination, Baden
fair wasp
so I’m not experienced in hero’s stories because I rarely look that up
I’m more interested in the culture and the history tbh
but like random question
if you were a new hero in afk arena, which faction would you be in?
zenith pond
graveborn
regal sail
i would be a lightbearer because i'm white and apparently that's the main qualification, other than raine
zenith pond
LOL
bleak notch
Who am I kidding I'd be a graveborn too
even though my self-insert oc is a lightbringer
weary lagoon
@thorny bloom hiding in here
chilly temple
space lurk
fair wasp
I’d probably be a lightbearer or wilder
honestly I kinda wanna make a big notebook of lore and family trees and all that stuff from afk arena
like if anyone’s down to do that w me pls reply because I just might
hidden sage
the emo doctor who was like ima play necromancer?
love that guy
the rich dude who decided he was too high class for death?
hate that guy
the children lord jerkface adopted and trained? precious. adorable. babie.
wolf girl mc bounty hunter who hides in shadows and trees? no respect, shes just a hunter, idk she doesnt interest me
spider queen who implemented death webs to save ger people and spits acid? great, beautiful, amazing
dark heath
åKFÅEKFÅKAÅEA LORD JERKFACE
hidden sage
listen i didnt read the rules im just assuming cussing is against them
dark heath
oh its not the cussing. i just found it humorous.
although as long as u arent cussing too much it shouldnt be a problem
hidden sage
i was self censoring because that guy is a total a$$
dark heath
jpeajeap understandable
vast widget
Oh no its all good, you can cuss but dont go overboard. 😄
hidden sage
like i can respect him becoming a vampire but his reasons? dumb
"only poor people should die, im not one of the rabble"
sir. please.
dark heath
aoåjfaoåjea
i think its more funny than dumb bc you can tell he is very narcisstic
and something about that is humorous to me
hidden sage
doctor death magic surgeon? reasonable. he was like, you know, im gonna mercy kill these people so they dont lay here and suffer a slow agonizing death, and then, like a paragon of logic, im going to utilize all these corpses lying around. it's not like they need their bodies once their dead, lets learn some things.
dark heath
ye niru is neat
hidden sage
lord i have too much money's trained attack child was kinda dumb too though
dark heath
i dont think we get to know why?
hidden sage
the guy she was out to kill had a daughter about her age and when she got wounded she crawled off to die and was like empathy was a mistake
dark heath
la¨plfa