#afk-lore
zenith pond
skgjvfdsgrseg One Single Character yeah
cyan sparrow
Let's see, that's one out of
jovial lion
he's a tortoise.
zenith pond
A lot
jovial lion
probably.
turbid edge
Before I speak, what are your pronouns
cyan sparrow
McClucker
jovial lion
not a single regular hero, that of human body, is typically out of the norm except a few who have muscles, but those are also just men. thats standard.
cyan sparrow
But fr, 'he'
zenith pond
mine are 'he'
jovial lion
having a diverse cast of different designs is great in terms of character designs, i dont really yell for any rep honestly.
turbid edge
jovial lion
using the same figure typically bores me.
turbid edge
I should leave before I start saying stuff
jovial lion
sorry from an artistic point of view that looking at the same exact body type is hella boring and a waste of potential amazing designs 
turbid edge
zenith pond
Also yeah using more diverse bodies is just. good design
jovial lion
if we wanted actual buff women they should be properly drawn in their art. but theyre not.
cyan sparrow
Yeah, just the same "muscular male/skinny female" is insanely boring
turbid edge
This must be a bro lgbt sjw cast
jovial lion
call raine buff all we want, she's still a slim female in her art.
turbid edge
In my opinion
jovial lion
what.
cyan sparrow
?
zenith pond
dude we're talking design ??
turbid edge
Anyway
jovial lion
NOTHING about wanting a diverse character design is anything to deal with LGBTQ+ or ""sjw""
cyan sparrow
No no no, not "anyway"
turbid edge
Warek is fat?
jovial lion
most of a bear's strength comes from the positioning of their shoulders.
turbid edge
The animated one
jovial lion
or a real bear.
cyan sparrow
The Jungle Movie. Never heard of that one before
turbid edge
But he’s a humanoid bear
jovial lion
knowing they have fat layers over muscle.
turbid edge
So the muscles make sense
alpine barn
Warek's Heavyweight Lifter physique, not bodybuilder physique
zenith pond
I kinda want to draw a properly fat Warek now
jovial lion
if he's gonna have a muzzle he may was well be like an actual bear.
zenith pond
fuckit I got time before I must sleep
alpine barn
Winter warek ready for hibernation
jovial lion
except he wouldn't be extremely fat anyways.
jovial lion
there'd be a fat jiggle but to translate bear fat and muscle to a humanoid structure you'd have to think about people who are legitimately strong. body builders have pretty much no actual strength from what i've heard before, as its all show. real strong peeps typically carry a layer of fat over their muscles as previously mentioned, so warek should be a little rounded but still well built.
cyan sparrow
Vurk?
jovial lion
closest i'd say from memory is staring at the fight between the ice bears in golden compass.
jovial lion
i actually dont care about a race called the durri who's sole description is literally that of small rodents.
cyan sparrow
Not funny.
Didn't laugh.
cyan sparrow
That and the joke just wasn't funny
jovial lion
you kinda collectively called everyone who was typing in here that.
cyan sparrow
Did it though?
turbid edge
Yes
jovial lion
because we had opinions on doing diverse character design.
nobody said a thing about rep for anything.
well, i didnt.
turbid edge
I wouldn’t mind a fat character either
Though I don’t see how it’s needed for diversity
alpine barn
I mentioned it, and what of it?
jovial lion
so you're ignoring the fact you potentially called everyone, in a potentially bad manner, sjws / lgbtq+
alpine barn
People were complaining about only 2 body types for women
jovial lion
i mentioned diveristy of design actually.
cyan sparrow
Chief you don't just say that and expect it to all go away 5 mins later
cyan sparrow
turbid edge
Well isn’t it
jovial lion
anyways.
turbid edge
jovial lion
no its not LMAO.
cyan sparrow
Nope
jovial lion
anyways, most of the lack of diverse design talk is me because the same female body type sucks and i need something else to look at.
fringe gorge
I've been here since a while ago.
turbid edge
Actually now that I think about it
jovial lion
@turbid edge probably because you're acting a clown yikes.
fringe gorge
Escanor, please stop antagonizing them.
turbid edge
We barely have any black characters right?
cyan sparrow
Because you're still using LGBTQ+ in an insulting manner
alpine barn
Depends on what you count as Black
fringe gorge
They are not, it was offensive.
alpine barn
We have many characters with dark skin but none with Afro textured hair
jovial lion
considering there's no africa or america, there's nothing called that in esperia. the only dark skinned characters are between different factions. Kaz, Raine, and Morvus i think?
turbid edge
Ahh true
jovial lion
Safiya and Ankhira, but they're not like "black" and would be differnet.
alpine barn
Ankhira, and the two new maulers are also darker skinned
turbid edge
Good point
alpine barn
but again, all with straight hair
jovial lion
its so hard to see them as really dark honestly. little tanned.
nah one of them has wavy hair.
i guess.
alpine barn
Except for Raine's 2 dreadlocks that I'm not entirely sure are her actual hair
turbid edge
I think they should make a light bearer like Lucian from lol
jovial lion
she has 4 dreadlocks. 2 on each side.
gritty totem
You know what I'd love to see? A character who looks like an Australian Aboriginal person. There's like a whole culture there that basically doesn't exist in mainstream art/game/stuff
jovial lion
its shown in her victory anim when she turns slightly.
cyan sparrow
Just saying, your wish has come true
cyan sparrow
Way before you made it
turbid edge
MonkaS
cyan sparrow
I mean genetics be wildin
jovial lion
explained in universe.
turbid edge
jovial lion
at least raine's hair is an untamable mass of poof.
its different.
a little.
most LB appear to be like nobles from Europe or something, specifically from when knights were a thing.
most, if not all brown colored characters actually come from the factions who are particularly animals oof
save for raine and morvus.
though, are all dwarves brown?
morvus is the only example we get.
turbid edge
jovial lion
boom
cyan sparrow
Yeah we'd need another dwarf to get more lore for them
jovial lion
bearded dwarf ladies or lilith is a bunch of cowards sorry thats the rules.
turbid edge
tawdry vigil
jovial lion
no we should.
cyan sparrow
No, lets
jovial lion
fuck the police.
turbid edge
cyan sparrow
*frick
turbid edge
Let’s keep it eons away
jovial lion
nope.
turbid edge
jovial lion
its coming back.
cyan sparrow
Nah let's keep it here
jovial lion
bring it back.
tawdry vigil
Id like them hit with da japanese-beam
cyan sparrow
#DwarfLadyBeards
jovial lion
considering everyone is way too much of a coward to even embrace the fact that dwarves have been like this forever.
turbid edge
A giant Gragas
cyan sparrow
Ogi's a giant
jovial lion
Ogi is part giant.
turbid edge
Damn
tawdry vigil
Ulmus is supposed to be as well
turbid edge
I mean like human giant
jovial lion
Ulmus is a treant.
turbid edge
A lb giant
jovial lion
they're usually big tree giants.
gritty totem
@static cargo Growing up in the U.S. I had literally never learned anything about them. A couple weeks ago, I binge-read so much about their culture and history and stuff. Super interesting. Idk why more people outside Australia don't know much about them
alpine barn
because racism.
turbid edge
turbid edge
:0
jovial lion
me, looking at the goofy ass qilin: youre absolutely good.
alpine barn
in my school at least the chapter on history of Australia began with its colonization
jovial lion
qi'lin hero pls
we never went over australia lol
qi'lin is the chinese version of the western unicorn (kirin for japan)
it is essentially a hooved beast with a dragon's head, its voice is like that of a bunch of soothing bells.
finding one is said to bring good luck and prosperity.
alpine barn
kinda like a dragon-unicorn-deer thing
jovial lion
essentially yes.
gritty totem
The problem with a rainbow hero is all the factions seem to have some color coordination going on
cyan sparrow
Yeah if we're gonna make a rainbow colored hero its gotta be celestial
jovial lion
celestial = light
also
this i drew but essentially a qi'lin is this goofy fucker
would die for a hero that captures the stupid energy it gives off
cyan sparrow
It captures the ferocity of a dragon with the derpiness of a corgi
I approve
That is canon
jovial lion
ah they can look pretty bad ass though.
but i can imagine lilith would only do another twink body type or standard female.
cyan sparrow
True true
cyan sparrow
(can't come up with a good name.jpeg)
Ult: Lucky Shot.
Tier 1: (name) rushes a backline enemy and hits them for 3 series of 77% damage. Has a 33% chance to raise every stat for an ally
Tier 2: Increases damage to 100%. Chance increased to 50%
Tier 3: Increases damage to 150%
jovial lion
Qilin are basically support.
I was debating doing an AU for a unicorn character I have for AFK but I don't think he can fit Wilder properly.
cyan sparrow
Skill 1: Silver Tongue
Tier 1: Lowers 1 random opponents stats by 5%. Stacks up to 5 times.
Tier 2: Charms the affected opponent for 5 seconds, can use all abilities except ultimate.
Tier 3: Lowered attributes are given to a random ally.
Ooh, unicorn hero?
final orchid
Do u still have the maui edits as ur file pictures lol
jovial lion
@final orchid yes and there's 2 more folders with gifs
final orchid
Yes this is perfect
jovial lion
Ow my eye
But yeah it's difficult to settle where tf he'd go faction wise as he's extremely cruel.
Except his air and personality and general design fits that of a Wilder.
cyan sparrow
Maybe a Wilder but he's sorta feared by the others? Sorta like Ogi and Gorvo
jovial lion
Potentially.
Imagine every faction fearing you because you have the ability to see into their hearts and souls.
I could say he's a terrible celestial but he's not a demigod.
cyan sparrow
His ult is basically Soren's terrify ability
cyan sparrow
How could that be in a good way
cyan sparrow
oh no I just got it
final orchid
Msjaskdknskshsjsjshaksha
jovial lion
Haha
cyan sparrow
I need eye bleach stat
final orchid
Sjjsjshsaidgsj
jovial lion
How to completely render him useless: a virgin
final orchid
Kdjsjsjjssjshhshs
cyan sparrow
I volunteer as tribute
final orchid
Lmao I like how everyone immediately was like "me" when lokii mentioned virgin
cyan sparrow
I'd let Tasi literally Freddy Kreuger me ngl
final orchid
Kdjwkdhsjshshajsj
jovial lion
Michael just eats human flesh but that's okay
final orchid
Me
jovial lion
@cyan sparrow isn't that Ezizh
cyan sparrow
wonk wink
final orchid
Isjsjdjdhah
final orchid
Jdjsjsjsjsjsj beautiful
cyan sparrow
Exactly like that
jovial lion
Ezizh: everyone keeps calling me chicken little. He's a coward and I'm not a coward.
final orchid
Yfususjsjsaksksks
cyan sparrow
Tasi just comes in with one of those mister fans you'd get at like Disney World and sprays Ezizh, and the lifeless hunk of armor just yells out "Tasi!"
jovial lion
Tasi: so instead of recycling the glass bottle go a step further. Just eat it. Eat the bottle.
This is all absolutely terrible.
final orchid
Jsjajsjjsjajsjsajaja
jovial lion
Wait I still never thought about Michaels clothing.
Now all the world knows he has a Jacobs ladder I guess.
cyan sparrow
a what now
jovial lion
Certain kind of piercing set
cyan sparrow
Oh
jovial lion
Anyways man needs clothing.
He imitates LB because they're posh.
Noble clothing.
Ah he's a weird vampire now oh no.
final orchid
Jsjajdjsjsjsjajaaj
cyan sparrow
"yeah you got any virgin clothes here"
final orchid
Hdjaidjsjajsjajajdjsjsjs
cyan sparrow
"heres the Supreme section sir"
cyan sparrow
Oh no now im imagining him wear the stereotypical white Supreme shirt, cargo shorts, and asking Hogan if he even lifts
final orchid
Oh no
jovial lion
He kinda of would except he's a snob who only accepts gucci
His unfortunate on demand hit man is a giant minotaur based on a highland cattle.
cyan sparrow
Honestly now I really want to make a skillset for Michael
jovial lion
Warning: attempting to add a bell of any sort to Michael results in the offending party being shanked.
He stabs.
All his skills are stab.
He's feeling stabby for thots.
cyan sparrow
Ult: Only the Pure.
Deals 50% of his attack rating to Lightbearers, but 200% to all other factions.
Tier 2: Increases LB damage to 100%, other factions to 300%
Tier 3: Increases damage dealt to hypogeans to 400%
kindaoptho but idrc
jovial lion
As it should be
Disregards faction damage for his own rules
Realistically a horn going through your chest would be 400% damage.
jovial lion
Vedan takes 1000% damage.
cyan sparrow
Vedan just instantly dies
jovial lion
End of story.
final orchid
Vedan takes infinite damage bc I hate him
jovial lion
Vedan fucking dies.mp4
final orchid
Osjajsjdjajdhsjsjs
cyan sparrow
It closes in on the damage dealt, you think its just an 8 but then it flips over
cyan sparrow
"Roblox, amirite kids?"
final orchid
Yes yeem
jovial lion
I honestly lost my humor for Vedan so long ago.
Now I drown in monster boys.
Tsuchinoko character when
final orchid
Lmao when I joined this discord I was all about niru then it was vedan and now I'm a fucking furry
jovial lion
Niru was cool up until he wasn't I guess.
final orchid
Sksksjjsshaj
jovial lion
Still a sucker for my own personal stuff for Ferael but won't talk
cyan sparrow
When I joined this discord i was like "how TF could people be attracted to a bear" but then i immediately get attracted to Tasi
final orchid
Usjaisjdhaidgwjah
jovial lion
Tasi is an insect.
zenith pond
WAIT THAT SOUNDS BAD
jovial lion
Devs won't face it.
zenith pond
rip me
cyan sparrow
alright larry its the first option of that
Because I will NOT have vevi kill tasi alright
cyan sparrow
I.
final orchid
S
cyan sparrow
WILL. NOT. ALLOW. VEVI. TO. KILL. TASI.
final orchid
U didnt finish the word >:^(
cyan sparrow
They will be buddies
jovial lion
Huh I just realized something off topic
cyan sparrow
What was it Lokii?
cyan sparrow
Oh, aight
final orchid
U can pit it in off topic
I can't spell for shit and ome day my illiteracy will be my demise
cyan sparrow
"ma'am please say the alphabet, this is just a standart sobriety test"
"Frick."
jovial lion
Nah what I thought I read was wrong thus the nevermind
https://toyhou.se/4720786.minotaur would be a mauler.
He doesn't have a name.
final orchid
Oh no
cyan sparrow
I guess it autosaved to my phone
final orchid
Erase it it's a sin
cyan sparrow
Don't worry i won't torture y'all again
final orchid
Good
jovial lion
Because of something we know of. We know why, too.
final orchid
Usuajsjjsjsaj
cyan sparrow
Aight its gone
final orchid
Good
jovial lion
Didn't give him stupid nipple piercings either damn.
final orchid
You have been cleansed yeem
jovial lion
Lost design chance huh
final orchid
Add them
cyan sparrow
Yay I'm pure again
final orchid
Ushshshdjsaj
jovial lion
Am in bed it's 1:36 AM
jovial lion
Stab
cyan sparrow
Skill 1: Unorthodox Drill
Michael uses his horn to push the enemies back, dealing 85% damage.
Tier 2: Stuns enemies for 3 seconds.
Tier 3: Damage increased to 100%
jovial lion
If I were serious ridiculing and dodging any attacks simply because he's a bastard.
https://toyhou.se/4573766.biotech-slaver is hypogean alien.
cyan sparrow
Ooh now that's sick
jovial lion
It's actually for a different universe but translating from one to the other is fun.
cyan sparrow
Skill 2: Elusive.
Micheal has a guaranteed dodge every 10 seconds.
Tier 2: lowers cooldown to 8 seconds
Tier 3: lowers cooldown to 6 seconds
Tier 4: lowers cooldown to 5 seconds.
cyan sparrow
Aight compromise: in the LORE he insults Tasi
He insults Tasi once but then they become buds
I'm willing to increase the amount of insults to 3
Hey if he got over being a hypogean footsoldier he can sure as hell get over a lil jealousy
Yes but one of them was in a nightmare
And the other was a fit of rage
He doesn't just decide "hey I should kill this guy"
Alright I'm gonna take a lil break
I'm getting slightly heated
Over this drastic character change for my pure bean
Fine, I guess I'll just raise Vevi on my own then
On a standard hunting trip with Fawkes, they wandered into Wilder territory
"Dad, look a butterfly!" Vevi exclaimed, pointing at a figure in the distance
"Looks like its a big one, too." Fawkes replied. "Almost too big," he added silently.
"Hello!" The butterfly exclaimed, shocking both Vevi and Fawkes. "Who are you two?"
"Go on buddy, just like we practiced" Fawkes said, encouraging Vevi on.
"Im, uh... I'm Veviva... and this is Fawkes. " Vevi said, nervously.
"Im Tasi, I'm sure we've met before." She said, before teleporting, leaving behind a blue mist.
"...that was kinda lame FOR A HOMEWRECKER HO ARE YOU HAPPY LARRY? CAN I GO BACK TO BEING A PURE BEAN NOW? ARE YOU SATISFIED?" Vevi said under his breath.
The three of them hunted for the rest of the day, and they became good friends.
Oh damn forgot to make Vevi say his mandatory insult
There
Also yes I'm going to include a Larry into the story somewhere
What's your lizard character's name?
damn
Alright I can work with this
After meeting Tasi and returning from the hunt, Fawkes and Vevi returned to the homestead.
"Well, that was sure interesting." Raine said, looking up from her book.
"What was?" Vevi asked.
"Oh, it's a book by Larry Trappington. It's a biography about Ketkl, the legendary prosthetic maker."
"Cool! What's a pro-the-tick?"
"Ah, you probably won't need to worry about them."
"Alright... Mind if I read it?"
"Sure! I'll just read this other biography, Life of Simon: a Maulers tale."
Congrats Larry, you're a famous author in Esperia
Fine they're picture books so Vevi can read them
Also Vevi, after "reading" the book, has an idolization for Ketkl. So if you do end up wanting to make a crossover there you go
Yeah that's a good link
Gotta keep it consistent 😉
Also a throwback to the first OC you shared with me, Simon
See it all connects
Yeah
They're all just tiny dinosaurs
I mean what would YOU say
I'd be pretty surprised
Good night, Ma'am Larry Trappington
dark heath
Thane x Baden should be Canon
It’s not gay
Because Baden’s dead
It’s not necrophilia
Because Baden’s not really dead either
And the age gay doesn’t matter
*gap
dab
rough bolt
One we could get it, just not sure how its done or when.
dark heath
bold of u to assume it already isnt.
also what age gap?
just going based on appearence both seem around the same age.
Yeah
They’re both men
That want to love
Each other
but where does this age gap come in??
im confused
jovial lion
Actually the GB are walking decomposing corpses so it is necrophilia just saying.
dark heath
either way they consent so its ok
jovial lion
Side quests reveal that.
That doesn't make it any less morally questionable / wrong.
dark heath
its just ethically bad at that point lol
jovial lion
What.
dark heath
??
gentle knot
Thane gotta embalm his bf
jovial lion
Okay I'm going to dip out. That's a little much.
dark heath
okay
jovial lion
They are dead corpses.
gentle knot
U tellin me ppl don't still wanna fall in love when they get resurrected
And hold hands and kiss and stuff
They're undead not like
A still corpse someone dug up
dark heath
the only one that maybe resembles a dead body is like thoran
but even saying that is a stretch tbh
vedan looks fresh as fuck if you ask me
gentle knot
Well, Nara has some ribs sticking out i think?
dark heath
she does?
gentle knot
I thought so?
dark heath
im p sure thats just her clothing?
like it got a ribcage pattern
her leg is stitched tho
gentle knot
Oh yeah that's just her clothes
dark heath
ye
dark heath
thats bc he is like
almost mummified
idk the exact word for that
but ye that thing
gentle knot
Yeah
zenith pond
That would be adorable js
zenith pond
I wonder if we'll get a Halloween event
dark heath
ah hell yeah
gentle knot
It's always almost Halloween in MY house 😤 😤 😤
zenith pond
Also, to throw my two cents in, necrophilia is bad because there's no consent, the graveborn can consent. Closed book, lmao.
Omg claptrap
The name replacements im
dark heath
anyway theyre gay
zenith pond
Also true
gentle knot
Lol
dark heath
kfåaekfåaek not what i meant
gentle knot
Omg
dark heath
fkpoaekfaepka
who???
is antibacterial,,
kefaåÅKAPÅOEKFAK
you have the opportunity to say tundra
and you dont
antandra
tandra can be changed to tundra
and it works
gentle knot
In my head she's double entendre
I don't mind her tho i just wish she was more furry
Same with Santana
gentle knot
SAME
gray gulch
fellas is it gay to hold your bros hand as you're dying
zenith pond
DJDKFISOFNFKS very
dark heath
idk i feel i have too many afk ocs at this point
im telling you
idk if i wanna make another
dakåefkå
i considered taking one of my ocs and put iit in the afk universe
zenith pond
I have like 10 at this point tbh
dark heath
but i havent gone anywhere with that
a harpy oc,
but now that you say it
i should
gentle knot
I keep throwing old ocs into afk like
This is fine
zenith pond
Oh mood I've been trying to work on stuff for an actual novel I wanna write and my brain keeps throwing AFK Arena ideas at me
Rip
gentle knot
LOL
dark heath
oh that's baden's repressed homosexuality kinning as the demon under your bed.
pk¨skgs
dusk light
are the new mauler heroes part of the sisterhood?
winter swift
is that new announced hero the "fiery haired mauler girl" dolly was talking about
bronze olive
yeah
winter swift
is she literally a firefox
gentle knot
Good
rough bolt
I'm thinking of a necromancer graveborn
Her title is "Unhollowed Guardian", her story revolves about her job as a graveborn who welcomes the new graveborns who died in thier lives and were resurrected as undead recently, has no interest in quaedam's goals and only does her job as Graveborn's trustworthy necromancer. Much of her backstory will be later added. Say what would you suggest me to name her?
cyan sparrow
Sharon, or something like it. Tried to make a pun on Charon, the ferryman of the damned
"Karon please,"
"Go to hell, John. Literally."
cyan sparrow
*Sanseas
lavish musk
So I've been watching this anime recently and noticed a familiar friend
Anyone see some similarities?
dark heath
Hendrik?
rough bolt
Yeah
dark heath
He might be that man low key
glacial canyon
overlord
gritty viper
He also looks like someone from Re:Zero
gaunt pewter
Wilhelm van Astrea
lucid bison
He also looks like Valkenhayn R. Hellsing from Blazblue 👀
humble sedge
I totally saw valkenhayn first
silent jay
This is how they reunite right?
gentle knot
I LOVE THIS
rotund flame
winter swift
inconceivable
normal dove
Name: Iris
Nickname: Forest's Fertility
Faction: Wilder
Type: Intelligence
Ultimate: Rose Thorns-(1) Iris expends 50 energy per second. during the ultimate, Iris gains a 15% damage reduction from every type of damage dealt to her. any enemies near her are dealt 50% damage per second that ignores any immunities but deals 70% damage to shields or any defenses.
any nearby allies gain 20% dodge to agility, defenses to strength and ability duration to intelligence. 5% additional effects to wilder allies. [25% to wilders, 20% to everyone else]
(2) gains health for every 30% of damage dealt to her
(3) she expends 40 energy per second
2nd ability: Flora Fascinate-(1) the closer the enemy to her the greater chance of her entrancing an enemy. they will remain entranced as long as they are close enough to her. she can only entrance non-summoned heroes
(2) nearby allies to her gain haste as long as they're within range
(3) she is now able to entrance summonned heroes
normal dove
3rd Ability: Spring seed-(1) At the start of the battle, she summons 2 allies [Dreafs] to aid her in battle, they have 33% of her health but deals 50% lesser damage than the original hero. if her summonned heroes dies in battle, she passively summons another one but has a 15 second cooldown before summoning a next one
(2)decreases the cooldown summon time
(3) is able to summon 3 allies to fight beside her
4th ability: Colorful corolla-(1) summonned allies has different effects for different colored corollas.
+10% defense for blue, violet has no additional effects, +10% damage for red, 10% dodge for orange, +10% poison damage for yellow, healing regen increase for white and haste for pink. all effects will increase the closer they get to her.
(2) all effects are increased to 11%
(3) all effects are increased to 12%
cyan sparrow
Lost in the depths of obscureness
jovial lion
*context: logi is a fire giant, opposite to loki, and the personification of wildfire
cyan sparrow
Ah
jovial lion
in a certain tale, loki was tasked to beat logi in an eating contest, but you can't beat the ravenousness of fire itself.
cyan sparrow
Ah yes, classic Norse mythology: hot dog eating contests
jovial lion
i actually do have a character based on logi but he's not AFK related :(
cyan sparrow
Darn
jovial lion
u kno what fair
i already did that with splintered herald and michael
LMAO
posting them here is for au purposes
cyan sparrow
I'm trying to think of an obscure myth that i know but I can't
cyan sparrow
jovial lion
janus is neat in concept
cyan sparrow
Oh forgot about him
jovial lion
having two faces to view the past and future
currently im doodling serpentine elder gods that could, theoretically, be implemented as funky reality shenanigans.
cyan sparrow
He doesn't attack or anything, he just adds 20 seconds per ult
jovial lion
CAN YOU IMAGINE A HERO THAT ADDS TIME?
oh jesus
i feel that they would be incredibly interesting to fit into factions for funsies
nOT SURE IF BOTTOM IS BODY HORROR AS ITS SO SIMPLISTIC
immediate idea if GB but Hypo works too
you'd know its angry only if the eye opens
Necros would split your skull without question
man i've seen people censor wendigo for being offensive salfhsdilf random side note
unsure honestly!
a wendigo was a cannibalistic person or spirit (afaik) and could count as hypo / gb
no no, the spelling and interpretation is wrong
i think
for some native american peoples it is.
as they're not giant furries with antlers etc
they were monsterous uncanny people i think?
cannibals.
cyan sparrow
Yeah they were cannibalistic people
jovial lion
mmm, maybe a ghoul?
ghouls vary wildly!
i thought i remaking an old ghoul to be new
but i like going uncanny where like, from afar its fine till you get close and realize, ah fuck that's a really long prehensile and spiked tongue
amazing character ideas i have
eyeball on tongue
:) big brain
jovial lion
eye on the weapon
living weapon
OH FUCK THAT'D BE NEAT
A LIVING WEAPON FOR A HERO
yeem get on it
that's just shem's orb
OH FUCK A BEHOLDER
GOOD
jovial lion
also on that whale fall lady
her name is Psyvera and one thing i wanted to put emphasis on is that her clothing always moved as if she were still submerged and gently caressed by ocean currents.
its kinda in the sketch, tho barely
man i much prefer just doing AFK au versions of my ocs
asnfsljdnklf
do i have anymore flowy hair or was it taken over by stereotypical bara short haircuts
f;jdf
cyan sparrow
Ult: "Beauty is in the eye of..." (Insert name here) allows another hero to use her as their own weapon, combining their attack ratings while draining her energy bar.
Tier 2: Energy drain slows to 75
Tier 3: Energy drain slows to 50
Welp I leave you with the Beholders ult at least, Larry
jovial lion
not exactly wavy but, swish
he'd probably be GB he's a vamp
a weird vamp with my own spin
vampires are dark arcane constructs (flesh constructs) made by using the freshly dead so they retain most if not all memories.
alive but not in the traditional way.
his heart doesn't beat in the traditional way and the regular blood is replaced by an oily enzyme mix that stops the body from freezing.
a mosquito if you will
mosquitos actually DO have natural anti-freeze in their blood!
cyan sparrow
Skill 1: Sword or Gun?
Transitions between melee and ranged combat every time her ult is used.
Tier 2: Takes 5% less damage from ranged while in sword mode, and vice versa.
Tier 3: Damage reduction increased to 7.5%
jovial lion
wait you're just making a character from Soul Eater now
cyan sparrow
Skill 2: Adaptive Steel.
Every fifth time she is hit in combat, her defense ratings increase by 1%.
Tier 2: Increases boost to 2%.
Tier 3: Increases boost to 3%.
jovial lion
hey yeem ur a skill numbers guy
if a character were say given a passive that was called Blood Thirst and scaled off of enemies being attacked, how would you do that?
cyan sparrow
Skill 3: Only the finest.
If she is the highest level hero on your team, she gains a 10% boost to all attributes. If not, boost is halved and distributed evenly across your team.
Tier 2: Increases boost to 15%.
Tier 3: Increases boost to 20%
jovial lion
like, in terms of MTG bloodthirst gives a damage bonus when an enemy is damaged prior to a creature being played
or, applies something like haste
cyan sparrow
I'd give a life leech of about 2.5% damage dealt to start off, then tier 2 gives 5 seconds of haste, and tier 3 raises life leech to 5%
jovial lion
hm interesting
cyan sparrow
Yeah, i was thinking of a way to also make it so if you didn't activate it often enough you'd get punished, but since it just activates on normal attacks that cant really happen
jovial lion
targeted enemy reaching 50% or lower?
fossil rose
Antelope, doesn't have a goat feal
jovial lion
Like Khasos he has no specific animal.
He may be of a species that is original and therefore has no connection to irl animals, like the Durri
(Vurk and Skreg)
deep summit
durris are described as being rats i think?
cosmic bolt
Khasos is clearly a bobcat
deep summit
yeye maybe
jovial lion
As Skreg doesn't At all look like a rodent I know of.
They may be the rats of Esperia
cosmic bolt
Or perhaps a
What is that savannah cat that jumps really high
Given his tendency to
Jump very high
jovial lion
If you're thinking a serval that is very wrong as neither Durri are close to cat like honestly.
*cat-like
cosmic bolt
It all nonsense
jovial lion
And again.
Durri are a race of rodent like people that are fictitious.
They have no connection to irl animals.
cosmic bolt
Except that Skreg has a connection to my soul.
He’s awful but I vibe with him, as a fellow tiny being
jovial lion
Mine is awful.
Skregs coloration is actually akin to hyenas but he's no hyena. That's just a staple of the Maulers.
cosmic bolt
Except when they’re ladies
Then they’re human girls on Halloween
Rather than fictional animal people 😬
jovial lion
That's what pisses me off design wise and people call me an edgelord for saying it.
cosmic bolt
Male Wilder: mostly human with a few animal features
Male Mauler: monster animal boyos. More animal with a human shape
Female Wilder: mostly human with a few animal features
Female Mauler: mostly human with a few animal features
Perhaps maulers are really an all male species and they just can interbreed with Wilder ladies, and so there really isn’t such a thing as a female Mauler
Or maybe
Art design
In games
Be sexist
👀
gentle knot
They be sexist
deep summit
it be like that 😔
gentle knot
😔 😔 😔
deep summit
but i really wanna see a badass animal monster lady tbh
gentle knot
Why are nemora and safiya the most monstery girls we get
deep summit
bc -taurs
gentle knot
Siigh
zenith pond
Give me big monster ladies, Lilith
jovial lion
Rectangle
Thick
Shapes
Most large wild cats be that way
Muzzles anyways
And honestly yes the designs are quite sex biases.
Biased*
faint yoke
Gwyneth is the adopted daughter of Hendrik, captain of the royal guard. Despite having no blood relation to the famously strong soldier, she does possess the same incredible might. A point at which the two diverge is that where her adoptive father avoids bloodshed wherever possible, favoring defensive combat techniques, Gwyneth has no such reservations.
Being the daughter of someone so close to the King, Gwyneth grew up alongside the sons and daughters of the nobility. While most of the privileged youngsters treated martial instruction as an amusing diversion, strolling out to the range to loose a few arrows in friendly competition, Gwyneth took to it wholeheartedly. She saw the fulfillment her father got from his service to the crown and wanted the same thing. Still, she knew that despite his position, she'd have little chance of making the cut any time soon. It was unheard of for someone untested in battle to be assigned something as important as personally defending the monarch. And besides, she was just a kid.
Her aggressive nature and singular focus made her intimidating to the other children, so Gwyneth would typically seek the company of adults. Where the others made friends with peers and pets, Gwyneth befriended the palace guards and grizzled veterans of the king's army. They were a lot more fun than the other kids, with their stories of battles and advice on fighting. In time, she began to accompany her father and his comrades on the outings he deemed safe. She loved riding alongside the soldiers, listening in on their banter and recollections. There were always plenty of laughs to go around, and sometimes a bit of excitement at the hint of danger. It was on an excursion much like this that Gwyneth was forced to prove herself.
There was a hunt near the castle grounds. The woods here were well patrolled and no bandit would ever dream of attempting anything so close to the residence of the king himself. Their hunting party was in good spirits, not even bothering to be stealthy. The king was drawing heavily from his skin of wine and requesting songs from the guardsmen in turn. A hunt was, after all, as good an excuse to go for a ride as any. As they entered a clearing, they inadvertently disturbed a rock triton. The massive, dragon-like beasts were never seen so close to the castle, and the hunting party was taken completely off guard. Before they could register what was happening, one guardsman lay crushed under its massive jaw, his breastplate punctured and crumbled like parchment. Hendrik began shouting orders. Soldiers took up defensive positions around the king and others advanced on the beast. Their weapons were useless against its incredibly tough scales, and despite Hendrik's best efforts, men were falling to the creature.
A soldier in the back was fumbling with a portable ballista. He struggled to wind it up, this usually being a two-man job. Gwyneth dropped nimbly from her mount and pushed the young soldier aside. With a few quick motions, she had readied the weapon. The triton roared, exposing a deep red throat. With a heavy thrum, the arm-length bolt flew between the thing's teeth, the heavy iron head bursting from the back of its neck in a spray of gore. It fell among the dead and injured soldiers as the others turned to locate the source of their salvation.
The king had known that Gwyneth aspired to the royal guard, but had never taken her seriously. Seeing the calm efficiency with which she had dispatched the monster, he changed his mind. "Hendrik!" He shouted. "Your daughter works with you now."
This is the story for Gwyneth "The Fair Maiden"
pure meadow
Don't tell Lyca
gentle knot
Wh
placid marten
Lore discussion: dreaf, Demigod or straight up god?
jovial lion
@static cargo second photo looks like Yzma going "bet you didn't expect this"
cosmic bolt
I’m a mess. I’m over here drawing. Character offspring and I’m just
-whispers- murderous fungus powers
gentle knot
Yzma from the emperor's new groove
jovial lion
oh its not her design its just the scene in particular
normal dove
@cosmic bolt I think its just human nature. in mythology of old, we humans think femininity is linked with beauty and shouldn't think of females to horrid monsters. Look at any mythology monsters and legends and you'll see a pattern
normal dove
@static cargo either a gore fetish or pride in his own art
@gentle knot yzma is not the nicest one around in the movie or the animated series. she's always being mean to kronk in terms of personality. I hate her. same with kuzco... she's too powerhungry and he's too immature. sure kronk is dimwitted but alteast he's trying to be of use to almost everyone.
rough bolt
Say, with Ulmus L appearance is around, do you think its more faithful to his Portrait Appearance?
You know, current ulmus is completely different from the ulmus portrait he has in story right now.
normal dove
Name: Kali
Nickname: The Huntress
Faction: Mauler
Type: Assassin
Sex: Female
Race: Anthropomorphic Cheetah
Ultimate: Destruction-(1) Implants bombs on 4 enemies which has a 2 seconds delay timer that deals 100-300% direct damage and 50-100% splash damage. direct damage knocks up enemies while splash knocks back ememies away from the source of explosion. tap her image again to early detonate the bomb
(2) direct damage deals 1.5 second stun while splash deals 1 second stun
(3) detonation time is further delayed for 4 seconds and direct and splash is increased from 100-400% and 50-200%
1st ability: Swift Strike-(1) attack speed and movement speed is increased as the battle lengthens increases up to 10%.
kali gains 10% dodge when moving but is removed when stable
(2) attack and movement speed buff is further increased to 12%
(3) attack and movement speed buff is further increased to 14%
(4) attack and movement speed buff is further increased to 16%
2nd ability: Slipstream-(1) charges into enemy ranks twice dealing 100% damage.
(2) has a chance of charging at an enemy trice [3 times]
(3) charges at enemy 4 times
3rd ability: fury-(1) Strikes enemies multiple times while advancing and knocking them back. dealing 120% damage and bleed for 3 seconds
(2) damage is increased to 180%
(3) damage is increased to 240%
any ideas for the 4th ability
jovial lion
@normal dove there are hideous monster women. Hags for one. Witches for another. Medusa isn't pretty anymore. Harpies are not beautiful. Women being the antagonist in tales isn't uncommon. A seductress will often transform into a hideous monster too. Beauty is subjective to the culture you're looking at, even in mythology and folklore of old. There are heavy accounts of excessive fat being considered beautiful as it was similar to a fertility god.
cosmic bolt
@normal dove There are plenty of monstrous female creatures and blaming human nature for the cultural tendency to allow men to have a variety of shapes/appearances (from handsome to monstrous and beyond) while limiting women to the same silhouette is Bullshit. Thanks
dark heath
no. they co-exist.
cyan sparrow
Yeah, graveborn in general seems hard to draw, imo
Except for like Vedan and the kids
cosmic bolt
I meant historical female monsters
As they’d mentioned like
“Look back on myth!!”
But myth has things like Scylla or like
All the female creatures from Aztec myth or Chinese myth
Also hello I’ve missed you
I’ll be back in your life after Wednesday
My interviews will finally end
This has been much
Law callback interviews last six hours each and I’ve been having to take the train from NY to DC and new haven and back again multiple times
Also some lore
Please notice how Thicc Kelthur’s thighs are
Kelthur does mad squats
THICCUMS
final summit
important lore
zenith pond
The most important lore
Considering how he runs and moves he needs those thicc muscles
bronze olive
thicc
zenith pond
Still heels
And honestly
To put that much arch in his foot they're not short
Probably an inch at least
cosmic bolt
More like 1.5-2? A standard men’s dress shoe can have a one inch lift and doesn’t nearly get so pronounced
zenith pond
Mmm true, true
jovial lion
@static cargo in some mainstream cultures, yes it is viewed as wealth and therefore a standard of beauty, though I'm fairly certain in some different dynasties in China's history viewed heavier females as healthy and particularly fertile? Probably more cultures too!
i would honestly think that with Mauler society dealing with strength to overcome weakness, you'd see a lot more tougher and killer designs that shout "I survived the worst and become victorious".
And Brutus, as well as being poster boy, is a great example imo.
deep summit
yeah,,
speaking of maulers are there bird maulers
fuckimn,,, pelican mauler who will kill
jovial lion
i would assume desert birds so like
road runners are a start
then hawks or eagles too
i would prioritize that birds of prey or desert dwelling birds would easily be akin to maulers, as that is like, their staple quirk.
meanwhile anything in forests, perhaps rainforests included, would be more wilder.
Satrana is based on probably a wild large cat that lives on the Savannah.
WAIT
THATS ATANDRDA
foxes live in deserts too
well a fennec plus other types of wolves and canines.
probably not but literally all the maulers live in difficult places such as hot deserts as told in the game's lore.
all of mauler society tends to take place in those areas + their clothing too.
i know arctic foxes live in tundras which are cold deserts.
Gray foxes can also be in the desert.
im literally just saying
and considering majory of the factions have specific details + colors that denote what hero goes where, that was likely a deliberate choice.
lilith does a lot of weird design choices
he was hunting there though, was he not?
for a particularly tricky prey.
im sorry i just remember this thing exists.
gentle knot
FFFF
jovial lion
tibetan sand fox.
gentle knot
i want one
jovial lion
technically a desert is particularly created when a mountain range is involved.
gentle knot
wha
jovial lion
one side will be particularly lush, while the other side becomes deprived of good rain and weather due to the ridges of a mountain
gentle knot
deserts can come about in a lot of ways
jovial lion
so yes it IS possible for a swamp to be located somewhere around a desert given the right circumstances.
in esperia im fairly certain on the map there's a mountain range or canyon of sorts so thats my reference.
That, or an equator created a hellish landscape due to the star in the system (middle of the African continent and the encroaching Saharan desert).
yep would ya look at that
gentle knot
mountains
jovial lion
deserts are terirbly cold at night
but no idea honestly
thats funky
unless its super high up
gentle knot
i mean cold deserts also exist
but the ecology of esperia doesn't make too much sense but also it's fantasy so
eh
jovial lion
King's Manse or Yggdrasil
gentle knot
i mean it's fine like there's magic and shit going on
jovial lion
somewhere near the coastal areas.
or even Bastion of the Elements but
with the colors of the manse i can easily see like waterlogged ground, especially after it was broken down.
but when rains fall in deserts, you can get terribly muddy ground that can force things to sink?
It could be, but forests can easily get weird.
OH WAIT
i found something interesting
inside deserts you can still have a literal oasis
and sometimes if the water isn't too deep, you'll get soggy gross ground or terribly salty things
like legitimate death pools of muddy / salty water where things have difficulty growing
while its not a traditional swamp by any means, it can definitely be like whatever terrain Saveas was in.
in the comments, there's a top answer with someone posting a picture and describing a place in Abu Dhabi.
also one of the pictures in the thread alongside the google maps etc
so yeah! swamps near a desert are possible given that they're near a good water source.
but the maulers enclave is landlocked so maybe someplace else.
yeah likely alongside those areas
considering its called a Sanctuary
oh look at that murky green
i bet that's not actually grass
how many spears can saveas hold
the real question.
i mean he just pulls them from no where.
normal dove
@Angi#7406 melee agility
faint wing
hey guys anyone know if its thanes left or right arm thats missing? because his official art shows its his left but with the in game sprite its right and his story doesnt mention which one either
light aurora
its a mechanical arm, he can swap from left to right or right to left
that's how he can strike so fast, he actually just turns his body
fossil rose
It's a common animation error, they sometimes mirror characters to show particular traits that should only be on one side.
zenith pond
Go with the official art
jovial lion
@faint wing the bust art is flipped.
He faces the left I believe in the card when he's pulled, but his bust art png (full file) faces the right i think.
if the sprites are anything to go off of, when the bust was made, it may have been made facing the wrong way, thus why its flipped in game and then lines up with the rest of the sprite.
hardy hornet
hey is antandra's name a play on the word entendre on purpose or by accident?
gentle knot
Probably an accident
hardy hornet
LMAO
it's just so funny
entendre: (humorous) A phrase that has a single, often bawdy, meaning and is lacking in subtlety or cleverness.
that certainly seems to describe her
it also can be used to describe something that is overly sexual to the point of being comedic
it's french, it's pernnounced the same as antandra
lol
hard jewel
ember light
look I get that thoran is cool and all but there are like 9 other graveborn they haven't even mentioned yet.
I guess? It just seems like they are repeating things tho. Yes we know Grezugul got a name change. We know Thorans brother killed him.
Im loving the lore, but I just think this one could have been a part of the last one.
They could have easily taken some unessissary things out
modern void
I'd like them to spread out these lore dumps, too
light aurora
entendre in french means listen >_>
zenith pond
This lore is great and I'm fucking hyped I love that this one is more worldbuilding than actual story, gives fanfiction writers stuff to bounce off of and better fills in the world for us.
A little sad because the preview picture teased me with Niru and then Ferael when I clicked through, but hey, this shit's good too
I would also like to state for the record that I am ignoring that Thoran is supposedly devoid of mercy or kindness; I recognize that the counsel has made a decision but given that it is a stupid ass decision, I have elected to ignore it.
bleak notch
Mood!
zenith pond
That said I'll also be ignoring anything saying Niru and Shemira and Daimon aren't a happy undead family.
I do, however, like the detail that Grezhul rose the other guards during the attack.
If this was more story-written I'd like to say that maybe this is all from an outsider's point of view because I'm totally down for King's Manse and it's ruler having a terrible reputation but not being quite as bad in reality
Ofc he's still pretty cruel to me, just not devoid of kindness
fossil rose
The devoid of mercy and kindnesses part could be Quaedam's influence. As the onewho brings back the dead, he has the ability to choose what part to bring back. Though the other parts of him aren't gone, they are still "dead." That is the sad reality of the graveborn, their souls are fractured, the dark parts are put in control and the good parts are oppressed by their cruel master. Only they can piece together their souls buy resisting the power of their master, like Baden, or by embracing death and allowing themselves to move on.
Breaking natural law comes with a terrible price.
zenith pond
It never said anywhere that only fragments are brought back
It said that they came back with a pact, that their fury at their death was what drove them to that pact.
Now I imagine it's traumatizing and could cause one to hide certain traits, as any one with severe trauma can vouch to
To guard them closely and bound tightly away
But I refuse to believe someone with such kindness at his core would simply abandon it all because he made a pact.
And characters devoid of an emotion that defined them before makes them boring, tasteless, and honestly is bad character development/writing.
Also I'm two seconds from making a cruel ass OC to be that warden LOL or at least an underling of theirs
fossil rose
I never said he abandoned it, I said Quaedan oppressed it, locked it up deap inside, untill Thoran finds a way to break it free, which means breaking free of Quaedan, just as Baden breaking free from the necromancer returned his nature. So no not void of emotion think outside forces oppressing and manipulateing it to get what it wants
zenith pond
Maybe. I could see that. Or at least he encourages trauma a certain way to make Thoran repress it himself. I really don't think Quaedam has as intimate control over him as Baden's lich has over Baden
Of course making Thoran repress it himself also makes it harder to break from
And Angi that's a funny image.
Also I don't think one can just. Break free of Quaedam, if he holds the keys to the Graveborn remaining on Esperia it may not be so easy. Unless he can't force them back to the realm of the dead.
fossil rose
Not intimate true, but Quaedem makes Baden's lich look like an insect playing amongst gods. He doesn't need intimate control, he just naturally oppresses unwanted emotion to all graveborn under him. Think all graveborn are old AI's and that Quaedam is the hacker that just downloads a price of code that oppresses all undesirable behavior
And returning to death may be the easiest way to break free
zenith pond
All Graveborn have to go through Quaedam
Necromancy I think in this world is just a way to prep someone for making the pact, or manipulating their soul to make them want to make the pact
Oh, no, sorry. Just making comparisons
As for the 'naturally opresses behaviour' thing, I could see him having an oppressive force to him, like his magic--as twisted as he's become of the years --just kind of influences any who are near him to just want to obey
And it's impossible to deny looking into his eyes
fossil rose
First the lore says necromancer, not lich. So he is still alive. Seconly the necromancer went to great lengths to insure he was in control, not anyone else. So Baden my not be conected to Quaedam, expesualy if the necromancer knew about him
zenith pond
No, in the lore, the necromancer controlling Baden does become a lich
fossil rose
Yes but after Baden killed him
zenith pond
And the lore explicitly states in the beginning of the Graveborn origin that all undead must make a pact with Quaedam
So the necromancer is pretty much assured to be an agent of Quaedam
And it was Quaedam who spread the knowledge of necromancy at all
fossil rose
Yes spread a corrupted knowledge that makes people go through him. The original spells he used on himself still exist. And not all necromancers are loyal to him, they tend to work with him, but he can't control them till they die. Just because he is the origin doesn't mean he has loyalty of all who use the knowledge.
zenith pond
in order for him to have become a lich he must have taken a pact which means Quaedam approved of him
The lore states that through allegiance they return. Which inherently means loyalty
fossil rose
Or thought him useful, as a lich he would be under Quaedam's control, even if he wasn't loyal before
Through a pact of allegiance, made at that moment
fossil rose
Think of this way, some arque that Hittler could be useful if under their control, do to his ability to manipulate the masses, but condem the Holocaust and many other things he did
Believe is useful enough to use him, but does not approve of his actions
zenith pond
Lmao let's not use Hitler references thanks
Anyways
Though I think I've misunderstood a key point of the discussion
I agree that he may not have been totally loyal before
I never said Quaedam approved of his actions, but of him
And who knows what Quaedam would approve of, he's very... Old. And is known as the Lord of Fear. We don't have a ton of insight into his mind.
fossil rose
Had to show the point, you can believe one is useful but not approve of him. Quaedem kowsliches are useful because they fuel his army, but disapoves of his lack of loyalty when the man was alive. Now he can use the man's skills and oppress any disloyalty. Also do to what the man did with Baden control of him would be the way to control Baden, who also is useful due to his tactical skills
zenith pond
You can make a point without using Hitler. You don't need Epic Shock Value. But I'm done with that part of this conversation.
And I agree with all of that, but my point lied in Baden. You said he may not be connected to Quaedam, but he has to be. Because in order to come back in any form, again, you have to make a pact.
fossil rose
Possibly, but the necromancer insured he had control, not Quaedem. He may have used Quaedem's power for the reserection, but found a loophole to exploited. Quaedem is powerful but not all powerful, has great knowledge but not all knowing. And with so many connecting to him regularly, he might not even notice a quick conect and sever. As far as he knows it may have been a reserection just for the sake of rekilling the man
Also Quaedem reserected himself, so their is a way to do it without him, jusst as he did
zenith pond
Yes but he's also a tens-of-thousands year old mafe
Mage
Who took that long to find a way through
Seems pretty dang hard just sayin
And also the lore says Quaedam sees through all Graveborn eyes
And he could have made a deal with Quaedam to have control over Baden, which is how I see it.
So even after Baden makes the pact, Quaedam gave the necromancer control
I don't think he'd care about one minion lpst
Especially since the necromancer has to die eventually, and does come back as a lich
And we know he doesn't have total control
alpine barn
Yeah, the way I'm reading this Necromancers are either active and aware agents of Quaedam, or they're script kiddies who don't know exactly what the rituals actually do
Niru might be the former, Baden's necromancer and Ferael's sorceress are probably the latter
Which... I'm not happy about Ferael's if his breaking of the mind control was because of Quaedam and not because he's just that AroAce
zenith pond
I think with Ferael the sorceress may have like coerced him into loyalty to her...
But when he crossed over the magic faded.
And he made the pact not for the sorceress, but for himself
So he could kill her for what she did to him
And Quaedam valued Ferael's alliance over the sorceress's
alpine barn
But that goes right against Baden's story