I dunno, I guess as an Ace I feel towards too much romantic shipping the way LGBT peeps feel towards too much cishet
#afk-lore
alpine barn
rough bolt
Yeah, i haven't seen much platonic relationships tbh.
Even if i was a shipper of stuff, sometimes its better to vary relationships between characters either Aro or Platonic or Romantic
I can always imagine for instance how Gorvo / Seirus met each other, competing for the title of best wilder guardian after fending off some "Evil" in their respective stories.
They can always spar between the unstoppable forces against the immovable object.
gentle knot
I mean ppl ship and see things as they want
A lot of it is romance yeah but people have their reasons for fixating on the relationships they do
I don't think there's anything wrong with it (most of the time)
dark heath
I understand being upset or annoyed at ratio of romantic relationships compared to platonic relationships, and all that. But being passive agressive or telling people they aren't allowed to have romantic ships isn't the way to do it.
rough bolt
And usually whenever i see a ship happening on media and i ironically against it due to my experience with it (or might be hypocrisy)
by experience means my first time bad memories of shipping happened in my lifetime way before i matured
So yeah, ship's a ship
Platonic or Aro or Romantic, all sounds the same.
gentle knot
Like everyone has their headcanons and i think that's okay
I share like
Almost 0 headcanons with anyone
But it's fine that ppl have different ideas
silent jay
I think I did this right
ok I just stumbled upon this discussion and I have to say, as an Ace myself, just let people ship what they want and be creative. If you have issues with it, then take it into your own hands and create something yourself with it. Don't expect other people to do it for you. They are under no obligation to do so. Just have fun, let others have fun, and not get into a stink over things that aren't important at the end of the day.
rough bolt
I like the story khasos tells to belinda
silent jay
Thanks. I'm still working on it but it's slowly forming in my head how it goes
fossil rose
I'll be honest not a big fan of most romantic ships, but I don't see anything wrong with doing it. Fan fiction is just about having fun and practicing your writing ability.
lyric pumice
Ulmus x arden best ship
alpine barn
I don't really see the Wilders and Lightbearers getting along too well. Humans have trouble telling animalfolk apart, and they're too goddang honorable to use the hit-and-run tactics Wilders love
Meanwhile wilders find the number of graveborn coming from Lightbearers suspicious and indicative of their moral character
You don't even see as many graveborn from (ugh!) maulers
Which, actually might be because maulers cleave even closer to ideals of honor than humans. You don't choose to come back after death because you died because you lost, and nothing could erase that failure
alpine barn
and a turtle
dark heath
thats the only furry iirc
mauler has more animalfolk
warek, brutus, e tc
but either way
we all know humans love those
alpine barn
That could just be dev's preference. Maulers have more males.
dark heath
🤔
alpine barn
The only kemonomimi male wilders are Seirus and Eironn (and arden?)
dark heath
eironn isnt kemomimi tho
hes an elf with deer horns.
arden counts i think?
hes goat
im gonna check seirus
alpine barn
seirus has fin ears
dark heath
depends on if u count merfolk as kemomimi
but yeah i would in this case
dreaf is a literal plant
alpine barn
his face is human at any rate
dark heath
ira, kaz, lyca are kemomimi.
nemoras a sheep centaur thing
idk what ogi is but furry probably
tasi kemomimi? butterfly features
ulmus a big damn tree
alpine barn
ogi has hooves. He might be a very unbalanced satyr
alpine barn
The new Mauler panther lady's going to be a kemonomimi too
dark heath
yeah
is she being added tho?
also i thought she was a cheetah or leopard
?
what are u trying to say C
north hornet
dark heath
okay then
alpine barn
oh, something I just realized from rereading Kaz's story
Do you think she has a collection of human objects like Ariel?
dark heath
idk anything about her backstory
but shes a cat so i like to think she does obvious cat things cats do
earnest storm
@silent jay those khasos x Belinda
and Estrilda x golus fanfics
were great though 
earnest storm
do aces enjoy kissing and touch butt? 
earnest storm
wut. that’s what i’ve seen bruja included in his/her fanfics
unless i remember wrong
silent jay
Bit uncomfy now. Like personally in real life i’m not into being a relationship or having someone touch me like that. Nor am i not into that. But imagining other fictional characters get into a close, healthy relationship with communication and deep bonds is my thing.
earnest storm
o
same tbh
i like seeing others getting at it
then i put myself in their shoes
hehe
silent jay
Well just because i’m asexual doesn’t mean i cannot enjoy a good romantic story between two characters (or more)
earnest storm
i see
and also
a lot can happen in fantasy that’s enjoyable but you would never wish happened to you irl
keep them fanfics coming is all i will say lol. have fun
silent jay
Yeah exactly. I enjoy a good horror movie/story and i am a gore fan myself but i would despise and hate it to ever happen to anyone in real life
Don’t worry Larry. No judgment here. Hehe
Sometimes we just gotta let it out
Yeah lets move
Meanwhile there’s me giving Annih existential crisis because Dura never once appeared in his realm of Death after she died. So Annih over here mourning and freaking out asking ‘Where the heck did she go?!?!??’
He’s the God of Death so surely he should know where Dura’s soul went after she died, right? But what happens when he doesn’t even know? What happens when a God starts to question his own immortality and the great darkness of unknown? What if there is something even greater than himself lurking in that once familiar darkness he knows not off? What scares a God of Death?
I’m into that existential horror and unknown stuff. I finally read H.P. Lovecrafts works and completely devoured them all in my readings. Hnnnn
zenith pond
hp lovecraft was a racist piece of shit but god damn i'm gonna steal all his ideas
anyways hi yea
I like this with annih freaking out
silent jay
Oh yes. Lovecraft is a racist idiot i wanna bop sometimes
But damn did he write good stories
zenith pond
Lovecraft was racist as fuck even in his own time
but that's for another channel
anyways um yeah gods havein existential crisis? sign me up
silent jay
Annih trying to act cool. Totally fine. Totally not freaking out over existence as a hole and wondering where he himself would go upon dying.
Annih: Gods can die....we can die....i can die
There’s no escaping the inevitable
zenith pond
that's why it took so long for Annih and his hypogeans to break through the gate
silent jay
Annih questioning everything
alpine barn
Dura gave up her essence to become the 7 artifacts. Annih might be wanting to collect them all to bring her back into the world again
fossil rose
The thoughts of a lesser god, they panic at the face of their mortality, the realization that they are not the biggest and most powerful thing around
Wouder how the immortal would react to an eternal
silent jay
I'm taking the ancient Egyptian approach to this that the soul is split into various standing for different identities to the person with this. And it says her power, not really her essence
fossil rose
Or we could use the tethering theory, dura tethered her soul to the artafacts as a way of excaping death, though that assension crystal may be a tether as well
zenith pond
So they're horcruxes
silent jay
harry potter intensifies
fossil rose
In a way yes, yet no
silent jay
Bone of the father, blood of the enemy unwillingly taken, blah blah i don't remember the rest
zenith pond
gfdjgfkhgjhkgkjhgkjg
So the bone of some unknown greater god and you gotta somehow get annih's blood
silent jay
Does he have blood if he is more skeleton than flesh?
Does he even have legs or is he like a dementor just floating around all creepy no legs
FHLFGKJAHFD
fossil rose
Horcruxes are created by stealing energy from others to extend and protect the wealders live. Dura's case is more of her soul, essence being forced into the artafacts in her own "death", an extension of her immortality. She is imprisoned in the artafacts not killed.
zenith pond
Also I'm pretty sure it's just her power, not essence
And she does so willingly
as gifts to the mortals
silent jay
This conversation has gotten way out of hand being half serious and half cracky with Dura
lyric pumice
....
fossil rose
One can willingly imprison themselves, self sacrifice
lyric pumice
Annih Potter and the Creations of Duramort
zenith pond
I still don't think her soul is in them
lyric pumice
fossil rose
Honestly though I agree the artafacts are have just her power. Though I do suspect that the acension Crystal is her prison based on the lore
zenith pond
I think her power is in the artifacts, her soul in the crystal
yeah
though on that train of thought
anyone else think it's fucked that we use a goddess's tears to revive our heros in the lab?
static cargo
fossil rose
The shapping may be a sign of her slowly breaking free
lyric pumice
zenith pond
Or her soul influencing the crystal to take form
gentle knot
We're Dr. Frankenstein-ing a Goddess' corpse and I think that's pretty metal
fossil rose
It's still a sign her power iss returning
Shapping crystal as a trapped soul within it is no small task, that requires lot of power and strength.
deep summit
Duramort.....
fossil rose
That isn't going away is it
cyan sparrow
Not until you defeat all 7 horcrux's
deep summit
yehfjdksghfdksj
bleak notch
Hello I am here to tell y’all that Kelthur is babby. I like him a lot. He needs hugs. I feel like he’d also perch on improbable things as mental stimulation (like on rooftops, flagpoles, etc)
cyan sparrow
So Kelthur is just Graveborn Ezio from the Assassin's Creed games?
cyan sparrow
*more
dark heath
Uhmmm how is kelthur not suave as fuck??
cyan sparrow
Anything is possible if you just get resurrected as a newer cooler version of yourself believe
dark heath
We all know anxiety makes u 10x more attractive smh
gentle knot
Lmao
tough heron
@zenith pondmaybe, but come to think of it, without her power she's just another mortal, praying to gods to save them.
?!
zenith pond
Wait Whomst
cyan sparrow
I think they were talking about Dura
fossil rose
Honestly I'm going with the idea that dura is trapped in the resonating crystal, and that the artafacts are the keys for releasing her, by returning her power.
cyan sparrow
:0 give me 5 mins to read
THATS SO GOOD
Really all i inspired was Ranhorn City, you did most of the rest
FINE, gosh
I guess i'll accept this Pulitzer award
But yeah, I can't wait for more, if there is more
:0
Artistic Style. Right now
silent jay
A drunk Khasos trying to bite Belinda’s booty
cyan sparrow
After several months of traveling with Fawkes, Raine, and Mirael, Veviva felt more calm with them than he ever did before. His apparent psychic powers also helped in hunting, and combat.
"Here, hoppy food." Said Vevi on a hunting trip.
"For Dura's sake, it's a rabbit. How f-. ahem How hard is that?" Said Raine, who accompanied him on Fawkes' request.
"No! Is hoppy food!"
"Fine, just hurry up. We need to get back before sundown."
"Ok. Come here, hoppy food! We need to get back!"
After the hunting trip, they returned to their mobile tent, with Mirael and Fawkes out of sight.
"...Dad? Mirael?" Veviva asked, cautionally entering the main dining area.
"Surprise!" All 3 of the bounty hunters jumped into view, each holding a small box.
"What is this?"
"We decided, that since you've helped us out so f-, I mean, so very much, we got you a little something from Ranhorn a while back." Said Mirael, pushing him toward the three boxes on the ground.
Veviva opened the boxes, each holding a puppet equivalent of Fawkes, Mirael, and Raine. And Veviva felt a happiness that, throughout the remainder of his life, would never be matched.
Yeah i wouldn't have accepted him anyways
Because
Hear me out
- Vevi was your idea
- You're the only drawer here who can do him justice (sorry bruja, ik you lurking)
- Your... unorthodox abilities to make any story dark is really nice for some reason
Also yes, canonically August 8th is now Veviva's Birthday
And a family was united
I really want to keep going but i also want to shleep
(also yes hoppy food is canon.)
Gn
Ok one more then sleep
After the celebration, Veviva felt more tired than ever. He drifted off to sleep.
"Veviva..." a dark voice called out from a void.
"Yes? Who goes there?" He responded.
"It is me... Annih... you must remember your original purpose... you must remember your unwavering loyalty to me, and your brothers! You were made to destroy mortals, and these three mortals you accompany, you shall destroy."
"No! NO!" he screamed, waking in a cold sweat.
"Veviva? Are you ok?" Fawkes asked as he saw a shadow lunge towards his arm and latch on. "It's ok... It's ok buddy."
As the two stayed in the tent, Veviva pushed the nightmare out of his mind, and somewhere, somehow, Annih lost a soldiers loyalty.
Ok now sleep fr
Gn
golden kettle
working on wilders wiki page if anybody is interested in proofreading https://afk-arena.fandom.com/wiki/Wilders
i had to retype most of the stories and stuff, some of them have typos in the source but i'm thinking i should go through and fix it with brackets around edits or sic marks
alpine barn
So, will the winners be chosen based on Unique articles, or are they going to review each entrant and rate them based only on the contributed part?
If an article became excessively collaborative, who gets the prize?
golden kettle
good question
i am also interested in finding out
i've spent several hours on the wilders page and if someone fixes one typo and then gets the credit, i'd be kind of upset
alpine barn
The rules say they have to have made at least 700 characters of contribution
So if I added 700 characters to an existing article, I just stack my User ID on top of the original creator?
cyan sparrow
Yeah, i appreciate the whole "not always about drawing" but this contest seems like it'll get old quick
hollow oxide
So, hey, a couple of kinda dumb questions. Can everything regarding the character lore only be found in hero and union stories present in the game? If so, do they even get updated? I know the game has been released relatively recently for stuff like that, I'm just curious.
fossil rose
There is some misalanius stuff there social media feed.
golden kettle
I'm trying to get my hands on all the bounty descriptions too, they have some tidbits here and there.
And PoT has some story
hollow oxide
Yeah, I've reached PoT, so I'll have to look forward to that later. Wonder if it will have something interesting about the Wilders.
zenith pond
I might try and make a page for Quaedam or something, if no one else has
alpine barn
I might make a page for unseen lore-only characters
Seems an easy way to get words in
There's the noble families that Belinda and Lucius come from, House Morwen, and a ton of names in the gear descriptions
jovial lion
@hollow oxide Hero stories are sometimes updated or adjusted, such as the name of Niru and Shemira's son, Silvestre was changed to Damian some-time ago.
Apparently other lore stories have been adjusted too, though to what degree I haven't the faintest clue.
alpine barn
Silvina used to be called Kyre
deep summit
the gear descriptions are funky sometimes
"Your toes will thank you for it" - one of the boot descriptions i forgot which
bleak notch
One of the tunics is "perfect for killing enemies in style" and I love it
cyan sparrow
Continuing off of the Veviva story from last night prior, if you want to read those first they start in this google doc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bJe9e_-KgkrIfPwNz392KLz0RPyl3YiuigSASxn-7D8/edit?usp=sharing, then in #afk-fan-art at 2:09 AM CST, then here at 2:23 AM CST, and finally 2:29 AM CST.
Veviva is entirely Freaking Larry's idea, they started this whole journey.
Anyways, on with the show.
In the morning that followed, Veviva stayed clutched to Fawkes' arm. He felt calm there, and after that night, calm was the best thing he could get.
"OK, buddy. We're going hunting. Gotta let go." Fawkes said to Veviva, who had two arms on Fawkes and the other two on the Raine and Mirael puppets.
"Aw, can't I just stay on while you hunt? I can still get the food to come to us, I promise!" Veviva pleaded, adding an arm to the iron grip he had on Fawkes' arm.
"Kid, I'm sorry, but you could get hurt bad. What if we get ambushed?"
"Pleeeeeease?" Veviva added his fourth and final arm to the grip.
"Ugh. Fine, you can stay on while I hunt. But I swear, you do so much as get hit by a blowing leaf, you're going off."
The two hunted for hours, with Veviva luring the prey towards them, and Fawkes finishing the job, when suddenly, 2 Hypogean fiends came out of the sky.
"Ah, damnit..." Fawkes cursed silently under his breath, while Veviva just shook in fear, sputtering nonsense.
As Fawkes got ready to fire his first bolt, however, the fiends stopped mid air, with Veviva going still as they did. He moved left, they moved left. He moved right, as did they. This gave Fawkes ample opportunity to take them out, saving them both.
"Huh, I guess you're fit for combat after all, little guy." Fawkes said, patting Veviva's head as he did.
cyan sparrow
Yeah, next installation will include Raine and Mirael more
After the fiend incident, Fawkes and Vevi returned home with food for the week, and more training to be done.
"Hey, Mirael! Raine!" Fawkes called out, "You won't believe what the kid did today..."
After the retelling of Vevis combat abilities, the three hunter were speechless.
"Well, I guess I should teach him more about combat. I'd bet that he'd get a kick out of it." Mirael said, breaking the silence.
"Uh, you sure you don't want me teaching him? You should keep cooking the food that Fawkes and V caught." Raine counteroffered.
"Hey, don't you remember who saved you two from that necromancer 20 years ago?"
"...fine. Go teach him, I'll cook the food."
"Veviva! Come here for a second!" Mirael called out.
"Uh-huh? What do you need?" Vevi responded.
"We're... going to play a little game. It's called, uh... 'Magic Practice.'"
"Sounds fun!"
After several hours of training, they had gotten nowhere, yet Miraels patience was as worn out as she was after having to walk 5 miles to town for supplies.
"Ok, what is the problem here?" Mirael exclaimed.
"It's just... boring! And im tired!" Vevi exasperatively said.
"Ok... uh, how about... you do one more hour of training, and I'll get you another puppet?"
"Oh boy, another puppet? Deal!"
And so, training continued.
fossil rose
You need to but this story in a more permanent place, like a google dox
cyan sparrow
Doodle Gock acquired
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MRZ846bOLkxSS2c_pzCrixPr-iTugu4ZLU4unHTzRXo/edit?usp=drivesdk
cyan sparrow
im gonna regret asking, but NTR?
lyric pumice
Yes
cyan sparrow
Thank
cyan sparrow
"Me and Fawkes are perfectly fit parents for little Vevi"
hard jewel
next part of the Graveborn lore to be released today 
pure meadow
Uhhh
hard jewel
@pure meadow any objections? 
pure meadow
No but so far I don't see how the overall story fits with the characters
They don't really seem to act like a hivemind
As they are all individual
Also if Annih controlled them before why aren't they Hypogean but Graveborn 🤔
hard jewel
I believe not all of them are hivemind, but you'll have to see and wait
pure meadow
Yes, looking forward to get a good explanation in the new update :D
pure meadow
Is it the longest?
hard jewel
hard to say
pure meadow
Imagine a RPG in Esperia big imagination
hard jewel
who knows...
dark heath
which one of you freaks RPs
tawdry vigil
Dang, jakub was here
hard jewel
yup! You can check the new lore here: https://bit.ly/33jQ1M1
final orchid
Oh heck reading time
solid rapids
I wonder why only Elijah has wings. Do the twins represent heaven and earth? :)
pure meadow
@dark heath I do. D:
bleak notch
Ooooooooooooh I like how this develops the relationship between Big Q and Thoran. It gives some more insight into Big Qs personality. I like! I’m excited for more!!
lyric pumice
I liked how this turned out
rough bolt
So graveborn still a neutral faction after this for now, right?
zenith pond
OooooooHHHHHHHHHH new lore I'm !!!!!!!!!! Oh I'm so thrilled by this i love how this one points out that Quaedam has to convince Grezhul
Because that does mean that they have free will
Oh that's such a relief
I'm literally so excited for more Graveborn lore I had no idea we were getting more than one part
fossil rose
It implied in part one some still had free will,while others are mindless slaves
zenith pond
Ooooooh, I hope we get more about Niru and Ferael and the Grave Vow and Kelthur and looking at this entry that's rly plausible
Yeah but some people were still convinced so I don't think the implication was enough
And I wasn't sure if I'd misunderstood it
lyric pumice
Yeah
zenith pond
Omg I need more about Shemira. Because all her lore is about is just her son and husband we don't really know a lot about her
lyric pumice
Totally liked where it went
zenith pond
Oh good!!! I know you were really bummed from the last one
bleak notch
I,,,,really wanna know more about The Grave Vow
zenith pond
I don't know if I want more about the girls' lore first or the grave vow
lyric pumice
How about either oof
zenith pond
Or anyone
lyric pumice
Idk. Did they say it will be another gb thing?
lyric pumice
Oof. reeeeeeee
zenith pond
Hey @hard jewel I don't mean to bother you, but we're getting these every Friday, right? And are we getting them one faction at a time? Like Graveborn finished before, for example, Wilders?
hard jewel
@zenith pond should be once a week (not specifying which day, usually near the weekend), one fraction at a time
zenith pond
Okay, awesome! Thanks so much!
bronze gale
Q
final orchid
I'm rly interested to see how this turns out
alpine barn
I like to imagine King's Manse as a super bustling metropolis like New York except everyone's undead. Every graveborn would love to take a vacation there.
Shemira and Niru shopping for the latest haute-couture tomb fashions, Silvina and Isabella begging Vedan to let them go to the haunted fair, Ferael getting stopped by a secondhand limb salesman...
zenith pond
I mean. as fun as that is to think about, I kinda doubt it, LOL
bleak notch
Kelthur [draws shuriken]
Ferael: [puts hand over Kelthur] No Kelthur, it's not worth it
jovial lion
LORE: Kelthur weaponized a beyblade.
dark heath
we all know brutus is the true beyblade no matter what.
dark heath
he literally does a beyblade when ulting tho
zenith pond
Brutus is just cosplaying a beyblade
zenith pond
idk ask brutus
cyan sparrow
How to cosplay a beyblade: by Brutus. Step 1: get a sword. Step 2: spin real fast like. Step 3: profit
earnest storm
i checked
all the winners in the hero creation contests have their heroes fully written in their comments.
so a lesson to people for the next time in the contest, don't link to your google docs. write everything in the comment or you won't be eligible for winning.
alpine barn
do they also have their skills fully statted out?
earnest storm
no. some of them only have descriptions.
for example. this is a skill list of a 2nd placer winner's hero
ok so this is the link to a 1st place winner, who wrote for the hero Daimon (Shemira's son)
expect something similar when Daimon comes out lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/afkarena/comments/c91r4v/create_your_own_hero_contest/etepwc5/
alpine barn
Huh, I was too worried over the wrong thing. Wonder if they'll run this contest again sometime...
lyric pumice
That only meant they did not even plan on making daimon as a hero
alpine barn
Wonder why it was so important for them to change the name then
zenith pond
mmmm... I dunno I kinda doubt that meant they had never planned on him
bleak notch
I like what was written for him though! It's cool.
deep summit
hot take: more than one beyblade can exist in esperia
alpine barn
They have to have plausible deniability that if Daimon was released he wasn't inspired by the contest winner
earnest storm
skill 4 of Daimon
jovial lion
daimon b4 he fuckin dies
cyan sparrow
After the training, Mirael kept her part of the deal, and went to go get a new puppet for Vevi. But when she got to Ranhorn, she saw a familiar face on the bounty wall.
"Hypogean Soldier… Odd obsession with puppets… 1 million gold piece bounty? Oh no, I have to warn Fawkes and Raine… but first I need to get Vevi's puppet."
She went to the local clothsmith, and ordered a doll that looked like one of the Heroes of Ranhorn: Hogan. He was a burly figure, and so was the price.
When she returned, she saw Raine hugging Vevi in the air, with Vevi looking more purple than usual.
"Raine? Raine, let go of him!" Mirael exclaimed, worrying for the boys health.
"Huh? Oh, ok." Raine said, lowering Vevi while apologizing profusely. "Didn't even know I picked him up."
"Hmm, alright. Where's Fawkes? We need to have a… discussion."
"Out on a hunting trip, as usual. Should be back in an hour or two."
"Alright…" Mirael said, sighing as she did...
halcyon heron
This really messes me up
Times so desperate that we're helping the Graveborn dig up graves
zenith pond
I mean.
damn that is pretty rough
we do have a whole ass demonic hoarde coming at us though
shit that puts it into perspective tho-- I SAW THAT
halcyon heron
LMAO
fossil rose
They my be hard to kill but they aren't invincible
cyan sparrow
I may be a graveborn but I wanna gravedie
halcyon heron
Ayyy
fossil rose
Give me a torch an I can devestate graveborn as well
halcyon heron
Just some holy water or Lucius' sweat
cyan sparrow
Alright Simon Belmont
fossil rose
Holy water, children's play, only works on low level stuff. Use purifying flames or divine power is how pros deal with the undead
cyan sparrow
Pff, ametures. I just uninstall Graveborn.exe
bleak notch
flamethrower. even the dead burn
fossil rose
That should work for the physical undead, the spirits require a more special touch
bleak notch
tru
catch me with a portable sound system singing chants and hymns to annoy the spirits to death
fossil rose
Or anger them, from my experience, annoying them is how you get killed
bleak notch
Then I die in style
fossil rose
Sure, depends on the spirit
If you hear a little girl's laughter from one of them, you will be paralyzed with fear, and you will not go in style.
cyan sparrow
Unless you have played Baby Shark. In which case you will be dead before you can hear the little girl.
fossil rose
No you can feal her power take hold of you, the power is not in the laughter, the laughter is her having fun
royal rover
I love making up back stories if the company wants free help lol
pure meadow
@royal rover you just missed the hero contest
lyric pumice
plain furnace
So are Angelo and Rowan brothers?
plain furnace
Ok just making sure thanks
normal dove
Ability revamp idea
Name: Angelo
Nickname: Song of Dawn
Faction: Lightbearer
Type: Intelligence
Ultimate:Symphony-(1) Sends out an expanding musical blast that deals 100%-50% of damage and has a 75%-25% hypnotizes enemies with his music preventing them from attacking for 6-3 seconds, depending on the distance from angelo.
(2) enemies above the 50% area are entranced for the same duration. causing them to attack their own
(3) chances of hypnotization is increased to 100%-33%
Ability 2: Encourage- Angelo plays a tune that heals 3%-1% of his allies total maximum health according to their distance from him
(2)Increase the health heal of 4%-2%
(3)heals the weakest ally by 6% of their max health regardless of distance
(4) heals allies does not decrease by distance
Ability 3: Retune-(1) Angelo's basic attack is an expanding aoe attack that deals 90%-60% of damage depending to their distance from him
(2)deals 100%-70% damage
(3) damage does not decrease by distance anymore
dark heath
people don't like the idea of buffing food
placid heart
@normal dove if Encourage gave energy instead of health, I could see Angelo pairing well with Rosaline. Especially at (4)
alpine barn
Less about buffing food and more having an alternative healer other than Nemora?
normal dove
@alpine barn @placid heart I was thinking of angelo as an early alternative to nemora/mehira/tasi as he was meant to be
I was trying to make angelo better than they made it.
@placid heart tho... I wasnt trying to make him different. just better. he's still a healer with multiple enemies targetted
@placid heart but you do have a point. I dont see any rares that gives energy to allies
placid heart
I was thinking early midgame with my suggestion. If Encourage gave energy and you had a Rosaline on your team, you’d increase someone’s ult frequency slightly yet noticeably. If Rosaline was using her ult on the Elijah & Lailah, they could spam their ult exponentially more aggressively than normal. That’d be an insane haste boost. Pair these three with two front line heroes with AoE abilities (Brutus and Seirus come to mind as good choices) and you could be a pretty unstoppable force in midgame. Maybe. I’m theorizing here, I’m sure someone could poke a hole in this lol.
alpine barn
It would be difficult for Rosaline to boost Elijah and Lilah since they're Mage class and also Celestial
placid heart
How does Rosaline select who she latches on to? I’m not one to look at guides, I’m figuring things out on my own as I go.
Edit: Highest attack rating. You’d have to keep the twins above everybody else. May not be easy, but doable.
plain furnace
I can support that statement
She usually chooses the person with highest attack rating
placid heart
Yeah I have Rosaline boosting Belinda most of the time right now, that’s an ace in the hole for me lol
lone cypress
you should try pairing her with shemira lol I pass through stages in seconds
old rose
is it possible that baden get a love realationship with nara?
dark heath
i dont think either are mentioned in their stories.
old rose
i will create a fan faction then
rough bolt
Go on ahead
cursive meadow
What does everyone think of those little quotes at the end of every heroes story?
gentle knot
I like them lol
gentle knot
Same
golden blaze
how y'all say ferael
rough bolt
Lyca
Ly ca or li ka?
pliant needle
zenith pond
I pronounce Ferael as feh-rell
cyan sparrow
I pronounce it feh-rail
zenith pond
Fawkes as fahw-ks and Mehira as Me-hear-ah
cyan sparrow
Faw-ks
final orchid
Wtf would khasos do as a hobby
dark heath
chop wood
zenith pond
Dhfjkskfkajf
cyan sparrow
Aajfu larry
dark heath
that could work too
final orchid
Like hes gotta do something in his off time
zenith pond
Honestly I think he'd do something relating to shepherding or something like that
Since that's what he used to be
Like maybe he has a pet
cyan sparrow
He visits nemora
zenith pond
pet sheep
final orchid
I'm imagining he didnt have time for hobbies when he was a slave so anything he picked up since then is new to him
cyan sparrow
Yeah, he probably has like sheep-phobia now because he associates them with beatings
dark heath
is he afraid to beat it as well?
final orchid
Idk about a sheep phobia but I image the sound of a whip crack sets him on edge
cyan sparrow
smooth get out
final orchid
Jrjdjdjridjd
cyan sparrow
There's no wrong opinion
golden kettle
blocked
cyan sparrow
But apparently there is
dark heath
can't delete you guys too fast
cyan sparrow
ok that just doesn't make sense
zenith pond
I understand the whole slave thing but like who says he couldn't have enjoyed it when his master's weren't around?
I always liked the image of him talking to the sheep when things were calm
Keeping warm over them and stuff
Watch
dark heath
calm after beatings huh? doesn't really sound nice
cyan sparrow
I don't think he would have risked it, because he just would have been beaten more for slacking
final orchid
I hc that he tries to avoid anything that reminds him of his past
zenith pond
:/ I don't see that, but I mean
I also grew up visiting farms a lot
Obvs not slaves there but
final orchid
He probably feels shame for ever being a slave in the first place and I like to imagine brutus became the father figure he never had and helped him w his low self worth
zenith pond
I'm kinda biased. I knew a guy who herded sheep and he was really passionate about them
So I kinda connected Khasos with that image personally
But I guess I can see y'all's ideas
dark heath
yeah i had a neighbor that was very passionate about sheeps too. he's in jail now
zenith pond
Aaaaand I'm dipping lmao
final orchid
Smooth I will eviscerate you
cyan sparrow
Smooth
golden kettle
all ive gotten out of this convo is that khasos is terrified of nemora
cyan sparrow
If you don't stop
final orchid
Ijekaksksksksksk
dark heath
nooooo!
final orchid
Sjjwjsjskskska
cyan sparrow
👌
final orchid
All I want his a fic of brutus comforting khasos in a father/son way is that too much to ask
That's my crack give him all the love and support
cyan sparrow
already on it
final orchid
I literally owe u my life yeem
final orchid
We just talk about it
golden kettle
lilith games hire me as an editor
golden kettle
scalies are clearly celestials of the furry community
cyan sparrow
Brutus was going on a hunt one day when he saw a poor shepard herding a large amount of sheep. Brutus, being the hungry lad that he was, decided to attack them, but he realized the shepard had marks on his back.
"Please, sir," the shepard said, "if you're gonna take the sheep just kill me with them"
"Wait, are you... a slave?" Brutus asked.
"Yes, just a young boy named Khasos, sir."
"Well, khasos, come with me. As far as I'm concerned, you're free to go."
The boy broke down in tears, hugging Brutus with a force that rivalled the human swordsman who had almost killed him.
"Thank you sir, thank you!" Khasos cried.
"You're welcome," Brutus replied.
"...son." he added finally under his breath.
final orchid
Good yes
cyan sparrow
oh Lord i put Brutus as a 'hungry lad'
golden kettle
hangry lad
golden kettle
my students are doing yoga right now while i think about writing afk fic
cyan sparrow
Oh, you teach yoga, whirl?
golden kettle
oh no im a daycare teacher
cyan sparrow
Also I just realized, is your profile pic a claptrap wearing a santa hat @golden kettle?
golden kettle
its whirl from transformers mtmte but both of those are good alternatives
anyways, borderlands au
giving any of the borderlads a gun is dangeroes
dangeroes
dangerOUS
christ
cyan sparrow
Giving anyone a gun is dangeroes
final orchid
Give khasos a gun
golden kettle
alright
final orchid
Yes
cyan sparrow
Oh gosh oh frick Khasos has a glock
final orchid
Skakjsjskssjks
golden kettle
mirael is bl1 lilith raine is bl2 lilith
final orchid
I'm drawing khasos as a gangster with a glock and he will be called khash money and brutus will be called bruh
cyan sparrow
Bruh
golden kettle
god.
final orchid
Bruh
golden kettle
mirael be like 😉 raine be like >:)
cyan sparrow
Angelo
golden kettle
Oh I Hate That
golden kettle
my government-assigned kin
cyan sparrow
Ulric
cyan sparrow
- Hes small
- He shows up usually when you don't want him
- He's overenthusiastic
Yes Vurk
golden kettle
ohhell yeah
cyan sparrow
And it couldn't be Rowan because Rowan is Mordecai
golden kettle
because bird
cyan sparrow
Yes
"Oh! You're not dead! Yes! I'm a 2UR7-TP Steward bot, but you can call me Vurk!"
Nah
Silvina
Kelthur isn't edgy enough
golden kettle
who's tiny tina
cyan sparrow
Morvus
golden kettle
fuck you
cyan sparrow
HE IS THOUGH
Both are short AF, both love explosions (guns cause explosions), and they're both clinically insane
golden kettle
i was about to screencap that and send it to my bl friends but they would have no idea what i was talking about
cyan sparrow
Actually y'all just wanna play some Borderlands 2
cyan sparrow
Damn
golden kettle
i have it on pc
cyan sparrow
Xbox
cyan sparrow
Minceraft
golden kettle
im using a children's keyboard
i posted a suggestion go upvote it
theyre gonna think im trolling but discord communities should be legally obligated to host minecraft servers
dark heath
i don't play minecraft so that's a guaranteed X for ya
golden kettle
smooth why are you like this
cyan sparrow
Yeah smooth, "I don't play the game so I don't like your idea"
cyan sparrow
You enjoy any sports, smooth?
dark heath
hey i liked your merch sugestion
final orchid
Minecraft is god teir
zenith pond
I think this has gone #545919777907015684 yall
cyan sparrow
Yeah true
cyan sparrow
Skreg is the only one with a skeleton horse
final orchid
Khasos was the one who got brutus into minecraft
cyan sparrow
He kills the others so he can be special
final orchid
Djsjjsjsjssj
dark heath
oh are we talking about the afk arena mc au????
final orchid
Yess
cyan sparrow
Brutus doesn't quite understand how Minecraft works yet but he's still enjoying it and that's all that matters
final orchid
Lol khasos has to walk him thru everything
dark heath
ok so vedan goes mining and every time he finds a bat he takes a picture of it
final orchid
Ferael refuses to team with anyone and so does eironn
cyan sparrow
No Vedan gets a mod that lets him enslave give villagers an unpaid internship for mining purposes
final orchid
Rosaline gets nightmares from cave sounds
She wont go down into the mines without Rowan
Nemora is the botania expert
dark heath
angelo makes an entire noteblock song.
cyan sparrow
Thane will not let Estrilda go into the nether by herself
final orchid
Snakskjsajaj
dark heath
estrilda: its just the nether what can go wrong
zenith pond
sdfxhnjdgjn y'all just jump subjects too fast
dark heath
estrilda: falls of immediately bc its in the air
final orchid
Isjajsjsj
dark heath
vedan? hates cave sounds but still goes mining.
cyan sparrow
Thane: remembers the Battle of Nether Fortress #2836 so much can go wrong
cyan sparrow
Ulmus goes out and mines for them and does everything else
dark heath
vedan: what the fuck you cant do that
final orchid
Isa and silv had to force vedan to get into minecraft bc they wanted someone to play with lol
cyan sparrow
Tasi just gets sheep
final orchid
Jsjajjsjss
dark heath
he bought them mc accounts
cyan sparrow
Trickster, "someone to play with that isn't a total poopyhead"
final orchid
Sjjajahshshshaha
dark heath
vedan's concept of mc trolling is spawning in a shit ton of bats
tasi? she teleports them into lava.
cyan sparrow
No tasi doesn't grief
final orchid
Vedan cheats in items lol
dark heath
fkapeåkfåka
cyan sparrow
She only griefs Ezizh
final orchid
Yes exactly yeem
cyan sparrow
He has a double chest filled with beds
cyan sparrow
Tasi just mission impossible style steals back everyone's beds
And stands guard to watch for Ezizh
dark heath
estrilda steals thane's torches.
final orchid
Mehira breaks into ur house and steals ur diamonds then when u notice lies and says she didnt and offers to help u find more
dark heath
thane and baden are the ''what if i put my bed next to yours... unless'' meme
final orchid
Jsjsjsjsjsjajdbajshaa
cyan sparrow
Thane accidentally broke Badens bed before the incident
final orchid
Athalia just has no idea wtf shes doing and has to constantly ask chat about things lol
cyan sparrow
Dura made the Minecraft server but she accidentally switched to hardcore mode to try and stop a big griefer syndicate
dark heath
morvus deletes the entire server
cyan sparrow
Morvus gets mad and shoots his computer every time he dies
final orchid
Brutus is the champion of hunger games mode and when hes not playing hunger games he hunts down players anyways like he is
cyan sparrow
Brutus just kills them before meeting Khasos, after that he leaves them alone
final orchid
All the commons live in a communal dirt house bc no one loves them
cyan sparrow
Every time they go outside they get insta killed and looted
final orchid
O o f
dark heath
brutus whines about the new combat update and plays strictly on 1.8
final orchid
Jssjjajsjsjaah
cyan sparrow
cant say i blame him
dark heath
vedan and he get into arguments constnatly about it.
final orchid
Brutus refuses to sleep because sleeping is for cowards
final orchid
Lmao yes
golden kettle
numisu vanishes and nobody can find him and then a week in he's spotted with a redstone/slimeblock flying machine
final orchid
Skajjsjdjsjsjsjsjss
dark heath
morvus builds an entire moving town.
final orchid
Numisu would also be the thaumcraft master in modded
cyan sparrow
In a month he's built a computer that can run Minecraft
golden kettle
ira's hotbar is filled with loaded crossbows
golden kettle
god
final orchid
Arden spends all day fishing
golden kettle
me
dark heath
fawkes has a specialized bow to kill with vedan with
final orchid
Arden never fights the ender dragon he just builds a little cottage by a lake and fishes
dark heath
fawkes also has a mirror next to the entry to his bedroom bc whenever vedan realizes he cant see his own reflection he has an existential crisis
cyan sparrow
Thoran hasn't played since the beta and Grezhul got him back into it
final orchid
Vurk uses the portal mod to fuck w people
golden kettle
isabella builds an automatic chicken farm and everyone assumes its for eggs and then she flips a switch and it sets them all on fire and shes like "(: cooked chicken"
final orchid
Vurk also leaves the door open constantly in saveas and numisus house and is always the reason a creeper gets in and blows everything up
Saveas has killed vurk on multiple occasions and will do it again
cyan sparrow
He always jumps from a high place before going into a fight because "it makes him stronger"
final orchid
Siajsjsjsjaiaj
Saveas uses the blood magic mod
Morvus is the expert in all the machinery mods like thermal and extra utilities n stuff
His skyfactory build tops everyone else's
zenith pond
daimon is the youngest person on the server and there's an unspoken rule not to kill him or fuck up any of his adorably kind of useless builds
final orchid
Mehira stole a diamond from him once and shem and niru annihilated her
zenith pond
good
fossil rose
what??
cyan sparrow
They aren't mods
cyan sparrow
0_o
zenith pond
alt. some how they managed to permaban her w/o being mods and no one can figure out how to unban her
fossil rose
To be fair, they are the source of many of his problems
final orchid
Jdjsjsjshsaj
Numisu made a box of bedrock that is labelled solitary confinement and he drops vurk in it whenever he does anything lmao
deep summit
annih started an alternative server thats survival mode with a randomizer plugin
gritty iris
Who do you guys think Brutus was Fighting in the Battlefield... I actually thought Hogan but but then it could be Lucius ?
fossil rose
Thane was my first guess, some even think Brutus was the one who took his arm. But their are a few holes in those theorys right now
The issue is Thane isn't large
And the mauler ho got him used a hammer
zenith pond
that question is the most asked. I kinda wish we'd get a good proper answer LMAO
fossil rose
Hogan isn't graceful with the sword, and Lucius doesn't use a sword, he uses a axe/magic staff hybrid
fossil rose
No that is definitely an axe, the edges are sharpened, has a harbriger feal too it becus it also has a spear tip
gritty iris
Since it was a Stalemate battle Is why I think Lucius cux of the Forcefield thingy he has an Brutus immune ish... But again Lucius no sword
Lol it really can't be answered I see
ember light
Unstoppable Force meets Immoveable Object
fossil rose
I guess an unnamed lightbearer swordsman, due to none of the current ones matching the discription
final orchid
So I was thinking lion king au where khasos is simba and brutus is mufasa then I immediately thought of mufasas death scene and now I'm Sad™
Djjajsjsjsa
Hey it's a good movie I will fight you
cyan sparrow
Just sad AF
final orchid
Anyways who would be scar
cyan sparrow
Yeah I watched it like once a week
final orchid
I was literally raised on lion king so you cannot change my mind about anything relating to it
cyan sparrow
I'm only an amateur Mulan enthusiast
final orchid
👀
cyan sparrow
Ogi would be that fat dude who wanted a wife who could cook
final orchid
Nala would have to be Belinda
cyan sparrow
The Hypogeans are the entire Mongolian force
cyan sparrow
The little dragon is Skreg off of ironjaw
cyan sparrow
I was actually gonna say Vurk but i went with skreg because
b e a n
Thane would be Mulan's father
Did I forget something in the Mulan lore
final orchid
Isjsjsjsjajs
final orchid
Who's homer
Who gets to be homer
I will do this au entirely by myself if I have to
Vurk is homer because hes vurk
Vurk is also marg
Evry character is vurk
cyan sparrow
By that logic trickster
final orchid
Dijsjsjsjsjdhdjs
cyan sparrow
Khasos be wildin 👀
cyan sparrow
Ang (or however tf you spell his name) is Skreg and his pet mammoth or whatever is the ironjaw
cyan sparrow
No not everyone is Vurk trickster
final orchid
Yes
final orchid
Vurk is all encompassing
cyan sparrow
In order to sustain the Vurk population
cyan sparrow
VURK X VURK HAS TO BE CANON
final orchid
JDJSJSJSJSJS
cyan sparrow
How did this chat go from a Lion King AU to a custody battle to Vurk X Vurk
final orchid
Jdjsidgsishsgshjsgssu
2 of those were caused by me
Now I have to marry khasos
I'm drawing khasos zuko now
cyan sparrow
You would have done it anyways don't lie
final orchid
Lmao true
Wait we're shipping khasos and angelo now
He gets all the hot blonde lightbearers lmao
Jsjsjshshs
cyan sparrow
Moosic calms down smol ball and makes him unconscious smol ball
cyan sparrow
There that better
The music knocks him unconscious
Angelo now legally has a sharpie
final orchid
Which pokemon are each of the characters
cyan sparrow
Tasi is Butterfree
cyan sparrow
Dreaf is Mew
final orchid
Usjsjsjjshs
cyan sparrow
*Arceus
final orchid
Khasos is lucario
cyan sparrow
NO
final orchid
Kdhakshskshsjajss
final orchid
Vurk
cyan sparrow
No
final orchid
Yes
cyan sparrow
We're not going down this road again
final orchid
Who else would it be
cyan sparrow
I lost custody of Vevi because of Vurk
final orchid
Ishsjsjskakssbsksg
cyan sparrow
Aww thanks...
Larry
cyan sparrow
@final orchid that poodle from X and Y
final orchid
No
cyan sparrow
I remember there being like a fucking poodle Pokemon in pokemon x and y
FURFROU that's who it was
final orchid
The poodle doesn't capture vurks chaotic bastard essence
cyan sparrow
Fine
final orchid
I'm not gonna say iy
cyan sparrow
Far right is Mehira
final orchid
I'm not gonna say it
cyan sparrow
s a y I t
final orchid
V
U
R
K
cyan sparrow
Very
Understanding
Relatable
Klaptrap
final orchid
Ksajjsskskhssjaj
I mean ur right
Kdgsksgsmsgsksbaj
A whay
A what
I'm scared
Wht does that mena
Do I want to know
final orchid
Does he impersonate people then drug them
cyan sparrow
Is ALWAYS happy because he was programmed to be
final orchid
Hdjsjdjsjsbs
final orchid
Sjsjshshajhshsha
cyan sparrow
there's a limit larry
final orchid
Jsjajsjsj
cyan sparrow
Wow
Now thats loyal
I was so happy that you could play as THE TRAP during BL: the Pre-Sequel
Yes
In borderlands the presequel
Hang on lemme check
Either
Which means PS3 because cheaper
Asjdju he even has a move where you can give your teammates a high five to buff them
final orchid
Jsjsjsjsjsjs
cyan sparrow
AAAAAAHHHHHH
THIS SKILL CAN BE TRIGGeRED BY ENEMIES
By the Clap himself
Claptrap P. Trappington
(yes that's his full name)
Well, Mrs. Trappington, BL AU time
final orchid
Oh god I need to draw that scene from the lion king where simbas talking up to his father in the clouds but with brutus and khasos brb
cyan sparrow
Rowan is claptrap
cyan sparrow
But fr id probably be a mix of...
final orchid
Bc hes my spirit animal
cyan sparrow
Zer0 and Claptrap
final orchid
Khasos is my husband but vurk captures my essence personally bc I'm trickster and vurk is a trickster rat bastard
cyan sparrow
Smol, keep to myself, and very antisocial
final orchid
I like vurk platonically hes my self insert
cyan sparrow
But really annoying to other people 
cyan sparrow
Bruh same
Oh yeah and Larry congrats, you unlocked the voice chat
So am i
The VC was only added recently
For green people or higher
Yeah
He just sorta
Hangs out
Doesn't talk or anything
Just sorta... sits there
Bruh hold up lemme join VC first
Alright you are a go
I would talk but my mic is like really bad and it's always either screeching or so soft you can't hear anything
Yeah usually it's a lot wilder in there
Slow night Ig
Yeah usually me, trickster, and Lokii are in VC
Let's actually take this to off-topic
final orchid
Yall were in vc while I was getting screenshots of the scene I needed >:^(
Smh I want to join
Numisu is rafiki
I cant believe I didnt think of that when I first brought up lion king au smh
God now I want to draw the scene where rafiki hits simba in the head w the stick to show him that even tho the past hurts you can learn from it
cyan sparrow
b o n k s in child abuse
final orchid
Ishajshsiahskssbsja
Maybe I should just straight up animate over the original audio
cyan sparrow
Maybe
final orchid
Actually that's a terrible idea theres no way I will ever finish it if I do taht
cyan sparrow
You never know, tho
final orchid
Maybe doing a rough animation over it
cyan sparrow
Welp, I should probably go to sleep
final orchid
Vurk is an idea
cyan sparrow
Vurk is God's God
final orchid
God isnt a woman god is a rat
final orchid
Vurk bless u with good dreams
pliant coral
Who cares about lore
zenith pond
clearly a lotta people considering there's enough demand they're writing whole backstories for each faction so maybe sit tf down broskie
silver ore
fading crater
So I'm slightly new here and I am participating in the submit your new hero on Facebook and I need some advice on what'll be my boi sifiinol's moves and ult
keen pendant
Nice
fading crater
Can you help me out?
gritty sail
raven kraken
bronze olive
same
earnest storm
wait, it wasn't?
zenith pond
@fading crater that contest has ended, sadly
fading crater
Aw man...
balmy fulcrum
final orchid
Kfhdjdud
worldly musk
Rip lourrd. There’s a different contest this month tho. Also this isnt the right channel for art anyways. Try the art channel next time~
zenith pond
I believe it mentions it all in the pinned messages
worldly musk
o>
zenith pond
It says idea designs can go here and the art channel
I go by the pinned rules message lmao
severe torrent
Your excursion in Antsohihy
Antsohihy is located in the north west of Madagascar,
in the province of Mahajanga.
it is the capital of Sofia region.
Antsohihy means: “Here or there are lots of trees sohihy” (Rubiaceae) . This tree spilled into the area and used to build boats.
the city stands in the middle of the savannah with “satrana” and mangrove forest
golden kettle
huh
severe torrent
Satrana means strength, vigor
And Sofia sounds like safiya
Wonder how much Hindi and Arabic lore in it
Like annih is gonna backward
modern void
her name literally means 'strength'? it would be pretty ironic, then if she was an AGI unit
wait, I was thinking of Antandra
cosmic bolt
Is Rowan a childish adult or a child with an adult's voice?
Does anyone know?
It haunts me.
alpine barn
Think he's closer to a child
gritty iris
So a child man
alpine barn
He's younger than 'young adult' at any rate, according to his story
gentle knot
Is he?
alpine barn
His father set out as a young man to make his fortune, and Rowan is setting out at an even younger age than his dad
gentle knot
That doesn't mean a whole lot tho?
I rly wish we could get concrete ages tho
He looks like baby
jovial lion
if AFK has a less modern story its likely he's incredibly young to even be called an adult.
speaking of something else, where the FUCK are all the dwarves.
gentle knot
Tbh
jovial lion
y-yes.
where's the rest of them
where's the bearded lady dwarves?
where the fuck are the fat characters.
gritty totem
WE👏NEED 👏FAT 👏CHARACTERS
turbid edge
We nEeD RePreSenTaTiOn FoR fAt PEoPlE
jovial lion
@turbid edge thats not even what i was looking for. i dislike the mundane and extremely boring to look at, slim female figure. its boring. its repetitive. its plain as all hell.
turbid edge
jovial lion
listen if you're just going to be like that then @urban vapor
alpine barn
Er, calling for representation for more body types isn't a bad thing