valid skiff
@zenith pond @woven fulcrum
#afk-lore
zenith pond
I'm pretty sure he's not tho... I need to find the lore again
I'm at work so I can't exactly lookrn
alpine barn
Silvina's story says Baron Rayne is Estrilda's father
shell sigil
baron rayne saved thane from getting killed by maulers too iirc
probably one of the reasons he mentored estrilda
zenith pond
We don't know for sure Baden was a Baron tho
If*
I'm like certain I've read her dad's name somewhere tho
granite ruin
In Thane's story
It was updated in
It was a Mauler, a high-ranking one, that did it. Thane found the thing's weaknesses but it moved too fast for him to exploit them. Its hammer caught him on his off arm, pulverizing the bone beneath the crumpled armor, and nearly tearing it from his body with intense downward force. He went down, and had it not been for the timely intervention of Sir Baden Rayne, the head of the house, he would have certainly been killed. Rayne fought bravely but he too proved no match for the vortex of violence that was the mauler. He was killed almost instantly with a crushing blow to his breastplate. Caught up in battle, the Mauler never bothered finishing off the wounded Thane, and after the battle he was carried back to the encampment. The arm was removed, there being too much damage for any of those present to hope to help.
severe plume
i remember baden being in his lore tho
final orchid
Ksjsjsj I just realized khasos hits himself in the face with his axes when he does the "I shall destroy you" line and that's rly funny and rly adorable
Hes a lil bit clumsy and that's ok uwu
zenith pond
Just another heads up, if anyone is interested, I do have a rp server now for AFK Arena
drowsy python
How that even works?
lyric pumice
New gb doesn't even relate to others
zenith pond
Nara doesn't, Baden does
zenith pond
alpine barn
Nara relates to Seirus
lyric pumice
Sad estrilda
severe plume
:(
lyric pumice
He indirectly created a gb hero
severe plume
you cant blame him for that, tho
zenith pond
rood
drowsy python
Thane is not well-armed enough to deal with bullying.
lyric pumice
Also, simply mentioning seirus isn't making them related
Nara is a sexy pudge tho
Oof
Even the fellow graveborns will hate her if she ever wants to continue work like that
alpine barn
Seirus killed her, so there's some semblance of a relationship there, Deathly Hatred or something
drowsy python
Not exactly water under the bridge
lyric pumice
Don't think they even know each other..
Seirus just sensed evil
And boom wreck
Never met eye to eye
granite ruin
Lmap
alpine barn
Nara's the first hero I can't envision having any sort of positive interaction with anyone
alpine barn
Appearance-wise, yeah. But Jinx is fun evil, not cruel evil
raven kraken
i think maybe after death shes more similar to jinx. shes a bit more unhinged, at any rate.
woven fulcrum
@zenith pond on silvina lore iirc
final orchid
Ok upon further investigation. Khasos got the scar on his face from a fight, his traumatic past, or fucking doing this
Khasos is a certified dumbass I can officially say I stan him
zenith pond
Khasotic Dumbass
trim reef
hhhhhhh ive been kinda dead all day but i managed to whip up some notes for my oc's backstory so far! who wants to see it?
placid escarp
dark heath
@trim reef uwu sure. 👀
Also its not off topic. Fan characters are allowed to be discussed here.
dark heath
Ye
damn thane rly got another boyfriend huh
who would've thought the most wanted man in afk arena would be the tired middle aged swordsman. king
what is not incredibly attractive about a tired middle aged swordsman.
who's a god at what he does.
dark heath
whomst the other?
tawdry vigil
I mean the dude that led the maulers that wiped out house rayne
tawdry vigil
Is probably a hypogean mauler champion as opposed to pure mauler
trim reef
[OC] uwu @dark heath
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tfXzJ24i7eQHST9KzX528JKCHZWlAW77YKFhwlKRBfE/edit?usp=drivesdk
alpine barn
Tag your OC so we can find it later :>
trim reef
Got it
granite ruin
@dark heath Eironn and Thane
dark heath
👀
alpine barn
Do dwarves have longer lifespans than humans in this world?
dark heath
the fact that dwarves even exist in the first place is a shock.
zenith pond
I forget they do, since we only have one dwarf hero
alpine barn
Morvus
dark heath
fkpaekfpakfapkfea
hes a dwarf?
i jsut thought he was a short human fokeapf
like i knew they existed bc one of the bounties mentioned a dwarf king
but i didnt know we had an actual hero
alpine barn
The dwarves are actually mentioned a lot on the world map
woven fulcrum
zenith pond
Sjdsjjsjdnd hm
tawdry vigil
Somebody put him there. How else can he mount that horse
final orchid
Fodkzisizo
jovial lion
In myths dwarves were actually super fast and could swim through earth so he jumped end of story.
final orchid
Olympics but its w dwarves in the ground
woven fulcrum
Isnt dwarves women also had beard?
jovial lion
They can sniff rocks to find precious ore veins
Yes though usually it doesn't get as big / thick
Some media just forgets this and doesn't give them beards they deserve.
woven fulcrum
There will be prob an LB dwarves hero
Beside morvus ofc
Pretty sure it's a mechanic type hero
As dwarves is supposed to
trim reef
i just wanna say, if a female dwarf comes whether they have a beard or not, i will ascend to the heavens
elder nexus
Baden is Vedan's son due to the fact that they look similar
zenith pond
They look so similar, it's kind of hilarious ngl
But I don't think there's any real connection there, it's funny af to think about. Maybe Vedan was related to the Rayne family?
zenith pond
Rayne, Baden was Estrilda's father apparently
Raine is someone else completely LOL it's confusing
granite ruin
I mean...
woven fulcrum
After doing some re-read, Estri's father name is exactly
Baron Rayne
granite ruin
Baden and Vedan are decently similar in that Vedan probably had a Lich's intervention(Isabella)
woven fulcrum
So different person with Baden
granite ruin
@woven fulcrum it's mentioned in Thane's story
It was a Mauler, a high-ranking one, that did it. Thane found the thing's weaknesses but it moved too fast for him to exploit them. Its hammer caught him on his off arm, pulverizing the bone beneath the crumpled armor, and nearly tearing it from his body with intense downward force. He went down, and had it not been for the timely intervention of Sir Baden Rayne, the head of the house, he would have certainly been killed. Rayne fought bravely but he too proved no match for the vortex of violence that was the mauler. He was killed almost instantly with a crushing blow to his breastplate. Caught up in battle, the Mauler never bothered finishing off the wounded Thane, and after the battle he was carried back to the encampment. The arm was removed, there being too much damage for any of those present to hope to help.
Head of the House is about as clear as it gets
woven fulcrum
Oh my
granite ruin
Yeah
woven fulcrum
!lore silvina
woven fulcrum
How is this work ?
granite ruin
Bot*
woven fulcrum
Oh
elder nexus
So baden is Thane's GB doppelganger?
granite ruin
Yep
Well
Baden is Thane's old BFF
He got rezzed
Thane survived with one arm, Baden died and was resurrected as a flesh puppet
woven fulcrum
Apparently estrilda'd father isn't the head of rayne family. It has never been explicitly stated
Well, baden is another case
And i think Lord and Baron has different hirrearchy
Like baron is lower than lord?
Meanwhile vedan is laughing
granite ruin
It's weird but Estrilda was Thane's friend's daughter I believe
woven fulcrum
granite ruin
Makes sense
jovial lion
Sezis or steixius
woven fulcrum
The only reason thane devoting himself to estrilda is because there isn't much left from the house besides her
granite ruin
When she was only ten, she watched as the male Raynes saddled their horses and readied their supplies, giving quick instructions to the men at arms milling about the courtyard. They would ride off to some skirmish as they did every few seasons, but this time the younger Raynes, Estrilda's brothers, would come along. They were old enough to see some blood. It wouldn't do them any good to be soft, said their uncles. Estrilda watched them form up and march away, where exactly she couldn't say as she seldom left the castle grounds. It was supposed to be a routine patrol. Some chases, some skirmishing, a casualty here and there and the accompanying payments to the widows of the fallen men upon the return home.
After weeks of no word, a few terrified and malnourished men returned to give the news. Through some fatal error, the patrol party had found themselves far from help and greatly outnumbered by a Mauler tribe with a serious grievance. House Rayne's men, from the youngest to the oldest, were gone. No heir now sat in their hall. Despite their wealth and reputation, their power was already waning.
jovial lion
He also promised one of the Raynes he'd look after the House
granite ruin
Just
Don't read Silvina's lore
It contradicts Vedan's, Isabella's and the Arcanist's Guild's lore
Lol
tawdry vigil
It doesn't tho
granite ruin
It does
tawdry vigil
Silvinas was just on an assassination mission. Vedan trained her to be one
woven fulcrum
Isn't silv lore is after she was taken by vedan?
granite ruin
Silvina lost her parents as an infant
Magically couldn't protect Isabella or their parents in Isabella's lore
Was the reason Isabella escaped
Had stilettos in an alley but not skilled enough to fight off just two men
OK.jpg
tawdry vigil
@woven fulcrum ye, thats how i see it
granite ruin
Pretty neat though to think she's at minimum got to be 25
tawdry vigil
?
granite ruin
Since she attacked Estrilda when Estrilda was 10 or younger, and Estrilda became a knight at 16
She just stopped aging
tawdry vigil
She ded so ye
granite ruin
So did Isabella which is really funky
Because Isabella never....
Directly died
Just went Ghost Whisperer
tawdry vigil
Isabella amd vedan did some research stuff on the arcane tho
granite ruin
Yeah, it's still weird
Since as far as we know Isabella is not a vampire
Or dead
Just a powerful necromantic witch
I assume Vedan would take the path without needing to be found out if he could, but he ended up bloodsucker
woven fulcrum
Fyi, silvina isn't always silvina. At least as she ued to. Prob this could be one of the reason why her lore seems odd in comparison to arcanist union lore timeline
alpine barn
Lord is what you use to address a Baron
It's slightly less formal than using the full legal title but still valid
Lord on its own isn't really a noble title, just a method of address
slow peak
Valerie Maldoren
Most Maulers, for all their hardened lifestyle and fearsome reputation, live together, whether in tribes or in the Oasis city to the north, recognizing that there is strength to be found in numbers. But there are some, few and far between, who prefer a solitary living. Valerie is one of them, having claimed a spacious cave in the mountains overlooking Maladan, a place she feels a strange connection with.
Though fairly self-sufficient through hunting, she still enjoys committing raids on nearby unfortunates, from small Lightbearer villages to weaker Mauler tribes, and the odd party of bandits or merchants that pass too close; she's not exactly picky about her targets. Many knights have been sent to stop her, but the only result is that she has a vast collection of swords and axes she can turn against her foes; together with her razor claws, the strength of ten men, and her terrifying breath of fire and lightning, she is a fearsome opponent who has slaughtered hundreds.
Still, the solitary life has it's downsides, and despite her bloodthirst and greed, she is still lonelier than she'd like to admit. Being something of a romantic at heart, she would love to take a wife someday - if there is such a maiden who would accept her.
The other problem with her lonely lifestyle made itself known when the Hypogeans came; even her power proved little match for them, and now she finds herself forced to confront the horrifying notion of cooperation. She must learn to work well with those she used to consider targets and playthings, or risk losing her mountain home altogether...
(Dragon woman OC. Does this sound good?)
jovial lion
Except Isabella has been told as being dead it just hasn't been said in lore yet. I believe either @earnest storm or Chen has said this as a leak from an AMA with the developers.
She does eventually.
Dies *
trim reef
yeah!!! she sounds so awesome so far laz!
dark heath
owo i like that a lot laz
slow peak
Thanks! ^_^
earnest storm
@jovial lion no we don’t have any leak.
who said we have ‘secret information’ from the devs? lol
though maybe chen has idk
@jovial lion which ama are you talking about?
jovial lion
@earnest storm no idea but I heard one of y'all talking I swear that or it was luke
Or Goburin
Fuck it was months ago
dark heath
Heyy kane ur back
earnest storm
ok
trim reef
❤ 💖 💗 been thinking about my girl ester lately 💕 💞 💝
tawdry vigil
@slow peak good stuff
slow peak
Thank you!
granite ruin
Lmao
hardy hornet
Hey, is Niru the necromancer that cursed Fawkes?
zenith pond
I'm pretty sure he isn't, Niru doesn't seem the type to use children as sacrifices. I like to think that that nercomancer is the same one that uses Baden's body.
Also the writers seem to love specifying characters if they're involved in another's story, so I think if it was Niru, they would have said his name.
Or made it clearer it was him.
lyric pumice
He's right.
it's either foreshadowing, completely saying foreign names, or completely exposing existing characters.
they're indeed modifying existing stories even
which is kinda... bleh tbh
sometimes it's better for it to be random
or else esperia will be one hell of a small world for these coincidences to happen
final orchid
Speaking of backstories do yall know who was being referenced in brutus's backstory
I'm dumb so
lyric pumice
it is said to be lucius.
final orchid
Didnt it mention the figure having a sword?
lyric pumice
yeah it keeps being modified....
final orchid
It might've been Hogan 🤔
lyric pumice
if so, it could just be thane already
final orchid
The story also described armor tho which is why I'm leaning toward hogan
lyric pumice
while hogan is a rare hero, hogan is known to be ranhorn's savior of defeating armies
so no
idle crest
So is this where all the cool kids hang out
lyric pumice
hogan in lore is in itself a tactician and a zealous warrior
which makes him really opie
idle crest
So hogan has plot armor is what your saying kaz
final orchid
Lmao
lyric pumice
could be.
idle crest
Hehe
lyric pumice
he is so far the main character tbh
idle crest
Dam
final orchid
If not Hogan then its thane who would have the skill described in the story but that wouldnt explain other details like how the character is described as tall and wearing armor
lyric pumice
@final orchid could be baden
final orchid
🤔
lyric pumice
but that guy survived
idle crest
Baden isn’t out yet silly kaz
final orchid
Lmao
idle crest
Dam
final orchid
Thane makes the most sense lore wise
idle crest
Kinda
final orchid
🤔
idle crest
But then estrilda would have to have some plot armor since she is thanes student
final orchid
Lmao
idle crest
Dam
idle crest
I guess that’s why they died
final orchid
Lucius gives other people plot armor
lyric pumice
fuckin lucius
idle crest
Yeah
final orchid
That's how strong he is lmao
idle crest
Hehe
Lucius nah fuckin Belinda
Can’t step outside your house without being obliterated
final orchid
Belinda gives the enemies plot armor to lucius who then distributes it
idle crest
Sounds about right to me
final orchid
Flawless system
idle crest
Flawless victory
final orchid
Yes
granite ruin
It could be Lucius
final orchid
So like are the hypogeans this worlds demons or are demons separate entities entirely
idle crest
The hypogeans are demons
final orchid
He isnt described as fast or cocky like the figure in brutus's story was tho
Well slightly cocky
granite ruin
Celestials are angels, but a human could become a celestial with Dura's help
idle crest
Cocky heheh
final orchid
Will I also get peg legs if I become and angel
idle crest
I want fuckin peg legs
little kestrel
final orchid
Stabby stabby
idle crest
Wait if I become an hypogean will I have no legs
idle crest
Tis a mystery we shall never know
little kestrel
he has lady legs
idle crest
That’s probably why he has the cloak
final orchid
Hot
little kestrel
it's his lady scarf
idle crest
Your hot
little kestrel
idle crest
Not you
little kestrel
lol I know
final orchid
O h
idle crest
Ok good
little kestrel
still shockingf
idle crest
Nah but I will always be after kaz’s heart
little kestrel
idle crest
What’s so funny
little kestrel
I don't really know..
little kestrel
I think
idle crest
Any lore 😏
tawdry vigil
Ulric was the one in Brutus lore
final orchid
Jsjsjsjsj
I want to redraw that stupid meme I made of brutus and khas but reverse now lmao
Short brutus tol khas
idle crest
Dam that does make him sound puny
craggy trail
Who is the guy on the last part of ezizh lore?
eager pike
👏
gaunt cedar
Why does all the lore look like it was copy/pasted from fanfiction.net? The prose is painfully exaggerated. I think I wrote exactly like this when I was 14.
dark heath
Because those who write on fanfic.net are people that are on other platforms too?
not sure what answer you want but its definitely not that.
alpine barn
I'm sorry the quality of backstory for a mobile gacha afk game is not up to your literary standards
alpine barn
Considering other games of this caliber have backstories along the lines of
"There are those who seriously claim that this famed daimyo was a woman all along. As the number of people to believe this grew, Kenshin's spirit was eventually forced to appear in female form."
I'd say that the fact this game doesn't have thinly veiled excuses to put boobs on historical figures is a good thing.
zenith pond
Sjdkakfjsj yeah I def. agree
trim reef
to be fair the backstories are supposed to be kinda short and squished together, nobody wants to read an entire book
dark heath
if some of these characters had their own fairly sized books id totally read them tho
but yes i get ur point queen.
zenith pond
Me too LOL
trim reef
oh hey saamee
dark heath
like a book about how thane and baden met?
how their relationship with estrilda is like?
i would read that book.
so bad.
trim reef
oh my god yes
severe plume
I don't think a mobile game would invest in that
trim reef
its one thing to keep me reading
dark heath
it wouldnt
zenith pond
Nah they wouldn't but it's nice to think about
dark heath
but i would read it if they did.
ill just read fanfic for now tho
since thats my only option.
zenith pond
Honestly I'd read a whole book series about this world ngl
zenith pond
Give me lord of the rings quality stuff L O L
dark heath
im thinking more
character centric
and like the characters interacting with eachother
like slice of life
i love that shit
getting to know their lives
i want that.
trim reef
honestly i really like both options they are cool
zenith pond
I can never get into slice of life LOL
dark heath
owo i guess so
zenith pond
Just me tho
dark heath
most of my storeis are slice of lives or character centric
so like different interests i guess
zenith pond
Ye
I should work on my fic more. I've finally got the war plans beginning but now I have to. Write A Fight.
Yay battle scenes
trim reef
tbh i've never liked writing, i'm only okay with it because of me writing essays and rp'ing
granite ruin
Will you press the button?
We get a canonical book series
But
It has grammar mistakes and contradicts the established lore
slow peak
Epic SoL is good
zenith pond
Oh god no give me good books or give me nothing
dark heath
oh
slow peak
I mean
I like epics
I like SoL
And I like stuff that's somehow both
It's all down to actual execution of the concept, of course
But on the face of it all three are valid IMO
zenith pond
Valid, yes, of course. I'm just not a fan of slice of life. I tend to write it, but I love the over arching story and legends and world building.
slow peak
That's fair
dark heath
So kinda new to the game. Could someone pls explain all the lore for me
The lore is available in the game.
explaining it would take too much time.
alternatively, you can check the pins here.
it has some of the lore for the characters.
for example.
.loreshemira
wanton swallowBOT
dark heath
Thnx
zenith pond
To get to the lore in game go to your heros page, then portraits. Select he character you want, then hit the story button in the bottom right.
You can also find lore in the Library in Ranhorn, there's a button at the bottom right for each one when you select the union you wanna read about.
ocean hearth
In a way, the lore is the best part of this game xD
dark heath
Ok thnx for the help
zenith pond
Is Soren Hypogean? Do we know anything about him?
zenith pond
I can't find anything on him. I imagine he's hypo but he's got GB background and what looks like a tombstone on his sprite but. It could be another Kane the thing, a commander or smthn
*type thing
dark heath
🤷
jovial lion
Soren has GB faction.
That's it.
Kane has Hypogean faction.
Wrizz has Mauler faction.
They don't have any stories (yet probably) but that's what we know.
alpine barn
His faction type is graveborn but all the purple in his skills and the mention of a millennia old curse makes me think he's a GB that was created by hypogeans
jovial lion
Well
severe torrent
Soren is graveborn tho
jovial lion
Also because of Baden and how he has a fucked up arm means that Soren is likely similar to a butcher demon
severe torrent
And wrizz mauler
jovial lion
Which is essentially a bunch of demons shoved together, or the amalgamation which was a mass grave where the bodies melted together.
jovial lion
Soren could be like an amalgamation of a bunch of spirits and curses.
jovial lion
Whomst
severe torrent
Menos grande from bleach
He is kinda amalgamation of evil ghost or spirit
Big hollow
zenith pond
How get there
alpine barn
Soren > exclamation mark > background
zenith pond
yeet
alpine barn
zenith pond
Oh no I love him
alpine barn
I like how this game has lore for everything
zenith pond
oh no
Omg Wrizz
God I'm so happy now I want to draw Soren being curious about smthn.
alpine barn
Lore for everything
zenith pond
I love this game so much jfc
trim reef
If there's lore for everything, then why don't the common heroes have theirs?
alpine barn
Ikr, a frickin cart gets lore but they don't
jovial lion
commons arent worth anything confirmed
i feel at least Ulric should have something considering he has a portrait and is called Head of the Guard or something in Peaks
trim reef
Please, that's not fair
All the commons need their own lore even if it's only one sentence
jovial lion
[LORE] Dreaf is baby.
simple latch
if you subtract the D from dreaf and scramble the letter you get F E A R which is what you should feel when you see him
trim reef
they're still baby though
plush portal
Does that mean we have to kill thoran? Or his other brothers?
severe plume
F in chat for Thoran
vast widget
zenith pond
Thoran was known as a kind king yeah
lyric pumice
thoran was really the perfect king
until he was killed
he was not corrupted by being graveborn, in fact
but he was corrupted with rage
that anger he had.
the confusion
the betrayal
he had no time to weep.
tawdry vigil
A kind king is a weak one
zenith pond
A kind king is a strong one, so long as his kindness does not exceed his reason.
Thoran was kind and smart, orchestrating many treaties and forging peace. He ruled until a ripe old age. He didn't get that old from being weak.
tawdry vigil
I bet his secretary did all the work, while hes doing fishing or some shit
brazen night
thoran has no time to weep when he gets taken out in 2 hits by that ascended sav
final orchid
Oof
woven fulcrum
Thoran has grezhul to comfort him
final orchid
UwU
idle crest
So this chat died
alpine barn
just in the process of becoming graveborn
dark heath
vlpafla¨lfäl
idle crest
Pfft
zenith pond
Omfg
final orchid
I want to make a healer support oc which faction should I go with 🤔
severe torrent
Celestial or hypogean
dark heath
I said i was making a hypogean character but that was a complete lie. Shes a graveborn now lol.
Also trick go with mauler uwu
granite ruin
Lol
Honestly the one Celestial we know about
Is an utter asshole
I wonder if the others are nicer?
raven kraken
id like to make a celestial
i think a shared trait most of them would have is an immutable sense of superiority to the mortal factions, for better or for worse.
like, not arrogance. just that they are
raven kraken
id like to make a celestial thats a bit of a motherly spirit. but, in a way where all mortals are infantile to her.
dark heath
The celestials can be around mortals im assuming?
dark heath
Wazzup
dark heath
[OC] the google doc for ridvan, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eOkxZx5vQwLqcVZY-hn_TKVZ-gcJoDCIYxTmMlC6urs/edit?usp=sharing . not much lore or anything but will prob add as i go on
zenith pond
Should the Wilder I make be kinda like a gentle minotaur or like a peryton
dark heath
oof i like both
zenith pond
What if winged minotaur
zenith pond
Yes
dark heath
why not put the minotaur as the upper half?
although that may be a bit overwhelming for a desing uwu
zenith pond
I have an idea running around me head but Id have to sketch it and I'm comfy in bed
I'm thinking like a cross between the two. It makes sense in my head but I'll. Have to draw it.
rustic hazel
Make a unicorn
stone bolt
Make a werewolf thing or somethin
rustic hazel
Damn werewolf is cool idea
But thats more like mauler I guess
Maybe a harpy would be cool for wilders
dark heath
[OC] Adam's info https://docs.google.com/document/d/1e7XMzmjVnHB9W4uxSSFJ2TwhjyIngmVSBKftwpP_Q4E/edit?usp=sharing will add more eventually
[OC] Gabriel's info https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qmk7vt2k98zwftCqqIC6W9Ac_1-QvjmDfnjSc2UDKo4/edit?usp=sharing
dense plume
👀
dark heath
dont have much atm but will add lol 👀
dense plume
Sounds great so far!
dark heath
kdwaokifkiawp uwu thanks u
stone bolt
Werewolf can kinda be in wilder too...
zenith pond
I mean like. I don't want to do a unicorn or a werewolf I kinda specifically asked minotaur or peryton for a reason,,,
rustic hazel
Werewolves literally “maul” their enemies
@zenith pond harpy-ish would be cool
Birb legs, human upper body and wings
zenith pond
I don't want to do a harpy. I gave options for a reason.
rustic hazel
“Winged deer”
zenith pond
Anyways I've made up my mind by now so it doesn't matter
zenith pond
Lmao w/e
dark heath
i already have a mauler harpy 🤷
rustic hazel
zenith pond
Harpies fit Maulers better anyway if we're going off of mythological history. Minotaurs too but cows aren't violent at all so I never understood that.
dark heath
cows are good and kind.
zenith pond
I love cows ngl, cows and goats are probably my favorite animals after snakes
Anyways that's off topic LOL
dim vector
It's supposed to be a Bull methinks and it's because the Minotaur is an abomination
zenith pond
Bulls are cows
pure meadow
Cows not violent? Lmao
dark heath
cows arent violent
zenith pond
They're not
dark heath
unless you bother them
dim vector
Yeah but they could be considered easier to rage
dark heath
duh
pure meadow
Cows are murder machines when they have they offspring
zenith pond
Lol they're really not I used to play in a field with cows as a kid and the bulls would let me do wtf ever
Anyways this is off topic, my Wilder is probably going to be a shaman-type, kind of a spell caster
dark heath
owo
zenith pond
'kind of' I say, meaning they're definitely going to use spells.
Jfc I can't english
dark heath
meanwhile my two dumbass celestials use weapons
except one can create a spell
but only one
zenith pond
Will do!
dim vector
I would point out that the Wilders seem to be prey animals while Maulers are predator if distinction is an issue
zenith pond
I mean that's cool but this is an OC not like they'll ever be in the game. And personally I think any animal could be in the Wilders considering the only defining feature I see there is love for nature and the natural way. Also isn't the mauler spearman like an antelope or something
dark heath
yeah i think so
rustic hazel
Hmm I do think harpies are more wilder though, since they live in trees in nests
Maulers in this game seem more desert ish
And more primal
And brutus kinda look like a buffalo ye
dark heath
we have different ideas of harpies then
im used to warcraft's harpies
and they're usually put in the same category as the trolls.
got tent nests, usually in the desert
etc
dark heath
oh im not talking about wow
rustic hazel
Nah, but the tauren starting zone is kinda savanah/ plains
dark heath
fair
eager ravine
It supposed to be a Mauler's Mino who cut down Thane's arm, it's somebody with hammer, nobody fits better than the bull with that weapon in my mind
And for sure there must be a joke about milk in his chats
gritty sail
granite ruin
Neither of the two new units are mauler, unfortunately
And Ferael only got KO'd
He was killed by a witch trying to seduce him.
granite ruin
Oh Baden!
Baden died on a Warfield yes
Same one that took Thane's arm
May/not be the same brute that got a hit on Ferael
plush portal
still poor graveborn?
jovial lion
@gritty sail Ferael was clubbed.
final orchid
Omfg that. Vedan wtf
Wait who tf is that even
Is that genuinely what he was finna look like lmao
plush portal
Don't worry. It's a picture from other games.
So Vedan may never be like that
jovial lion
he definitely will
plush portal
Some Bad Stories in Chinese Version about niru and thane ( brutus )
alpine barn
Grammatically it's correct. It's just sooo awkward
plush portal
That's the problem with translation app.
idle crest
Why was there a loli further up
final orchid
Why tf am I late to every party yall were talking about harpies earlier and here I am just finished sketching an idea for a hawk woman mauler OC smfh
Like I can't come up w a single original idea
Smfh
Ig that's one of the rules of the internet nothing u make will be truly original. But I'm more afraid that someday someone will believing I'm copying their idea bc man have u seen how some ppl act on the internet especially deviant art like oof
alpine barn
There's no escaping those guys
So you gotta draw your stuff with confidence and own it
glacial quest
I stopd posting on most websites because i had my stuff stolen is actually what made me stop doing art on teh art fourm site i used since theft was rampent and no ods did anything to stop
rustic hazel
Nice @final orchid , looks sick
Well, I was the first to photoshop dabsi too, but Im not sure if 
is even my version xd
jovial lion
@final orchid I got cucked on tumblr for an oc with large, clothlike arms and had an Anon accuse me of making a scarfox (closed species). I still despise scarfoxes because people whitenight the whole design, or details. I wasn't even basing the oc on them.
granite ruin
cloud current
Random question, but I've just started reading all the lores and I'm wondering who the lightbearer warrior brutus fights is
zenith pond
It's not clarified anywhere, but some people like to theorize it's Thane, with Thane's backstory also referencing a battle between a Lightbearer and a Mauler. But it's never explicitly stated so it's all theories rn
zenith pond
np!
raven kraken
@final orchid BOYYYY i love that so much ;-;
@jovial lion tbh thats why i lowkey dont like closes species most communities get really uptight and snotty about design aspects
jovial lion
@raven kraken god yeah. they made sweet $$$ when they lift off but god! hurts other people who coincidentally make a harmless OC that has similar features. either way
@final orchid harpies are fine imo! iirc they was just talking about whether they'd be wilder/mauler if added. personally i think birds of prey like hawks would be great for maulers. color scheme fits too!
raven kraken
@jovial lion i will just sit here in my corner and draw fanart
final orchid
@jovial lion yeah the whole concept of closed species is ridiculous to me tbh. Up their with "style theft".
raven kraken
ye sometimes style theft is actually a problem, but yknow when you have a common art style (like when everyone copied steven universe's style) Yknow.....
dark heath
its really only a problem when you're trying to profit off of it.
kinda difficult to explain that.
tho
anyway im gonna post good content in artistic style
so uwu
final orchid
Everyones art style is basically a conglomeration of other styles they've seen before. Style Frankensteins. If "style theft" were a problem then every artist is guilty in some degree
dark heath
yeah thats true
jovial lion
style theft is dumb but it does hurt people who try to make themselves unique so 🍵 careful
dark heath
is that the dumb bitch pride flag
granite ruin
Lol
Style theft only harms people who charge more than the market will bear
If you are good in your style, there can be 10000 copycats
You'll still be hired so long as you put out your work properly and establish yourself as a reliable artist.
zenith pond
There was such a big hoohaa about style theft a while ago I almost lost one of my closest artist friends over one dude saying our stuff was similar. It's dumb and literally isn't that big of a problem in the end. Making a fuss over style similarities only pits artists against one another
dark heath
just seems kinda limiting to stick with just one anyway
granite ruin
Being able to conceptualize, understand and apply different forms of wordplay in writing as well as art forms in illustrations is absolutely vital to evolve and grow.
alpine barn
having your own style is important for when you're trying to market your own art, but in industry it's better if you can mimic other people's styles
granite ruin
^^ There is nothing wrong with your style being similar to XYZ other artist
At this point it's expected it will fall into line unless it's some seriously abstract or postmodern stuff
raven kraken
ye u guys actually make good points
style is sich an abstract thing in the end, like some styles lead to whole art movements
like, for example, obviously there are many branches of art nouveau, but id say one of the most defining style of it was pioneered by alphonse mucha
tawdry field
There is a story called A Single Shard that tackles this pretty well.
How to do a super quick summary of the part that pertains here::
Apprentice finds out that their master's rival has a new method of firing ceramic the colors are more fibrant and able to be painted in finner strands.
The apprentice tries this on his own much to his master's approval.
Until it is discovered that this was his rivals method.
The master does not display the Apprentice's version.
The rival puts his art on display.
And only then do the master and apprentice try their hand to at it together.
because it would be wrong to steal a new technique before that person gets to display it.
But once it is out in the world art, like the earth that bears the clay, or the fire which proofs it belongs to everybody.
idle crest
Licks air
final orchid
Die
tacit saffron
Kisses Radioactive Gas
idle crest
Slurps pollution
tacit saffron
Eats Global Warming
idle crest
Flips into toxic waste
zenith pond
Ngl it sounds like they were going for Dean Winchester with Fawkes voice
craggy lily
Lmao
dark heath
What are the “stars” that are mentioned in Lyca’s lore
zenith pond
heres a theory or two
Baden's in-game voice isn't actually Baden, it's the lich speaking through him. Also the eye in his chest is the work of the lich and they can see through it if they're ever separated from Baden for whatever reason.
dark heath
sounds like canon to me
inland steppe
does it ever hurt y'alls heart whenever you have niru and shemira on opposite teams and they use their ults against each other/fight because like.... that hurts deep for me knowing their history
zenith pond
same???
I just imagine the other team is like. A Hypogean illusion or something. I have both Niru and Shemira on my main team so
inland steppe
OOOOO that would be a really good heart breaking tactic, if they knew somehow like... how to learn the histories of your team and play them like that
it'll be the same with thane and baden in the end,,,,, god what if thane doesn't even recognize baden w/ him looking the way he does now : ( though, it does say in the baden lore that his 'spirt' or like the energy of the rayne house runs super strong in him so maybe that same 'atmosphere' or his feeling would be enough for thane to recognize his friend
wow, , i love breaking my own heart over phone idle game characters
zenith pond
Oh same
But yeah I imagine like
Thane wouldn't recognize him at first? But as they fought he'd recognize his fight patterns
inland steppe
oh yea, or like in their respective ults coming face to face and really experiencing each other. i wonder if it'd be harder on baden fighting the necromancer and trying to take control again, and harder on thane for seeing what happened to the friend that saved his life
dark heath
🙏
inland steppe
um??? all i want??? is thane and baden to have a reunion like captain america and bucky??? lilith games pLEASE????
lmao esp bc baden really has that bucky vibe
zenith pond
um same maybe a peaks of time story or smthn???
Ok so I went to play a battle in the King's Tower and my Niru and Shemira just ulted at the same time.
That's a fun coincidence
indigo dirge
So uhm did the mauler who killed baden switch weapons quickly?
Thane lost his arm because of a hammer
Baden got killed by a sword
inland steppe
maybe the mauler duel wielded
zenith pond
Was Baden killed by a sword? I thought his chest plate was caved in
No, it does say 'gigantic blade' huh.
I feel like that might be a mistranslation
His chest plate was caved in, but that doesn't seem like damage a blade would do.
inland steppe
idk about yall and i know its never stated in either bio but for some reason i always thought it was brutus who did the damage to thane and baden
i dont have any genuine proof i just like to think so sort of
zenith pond
Brutus uses a sword tho
And Brutus is so popular for that theory I think if they wanted it to be Brutus they would have said it in the stories, they seem to like specifically saying who does what if it's another hero.
indigo dirge
I also thought it was brutus but yea if it were the case they would've mentioned it indeed
inland steppe
the gigantic blade part makes me think of his massive weapon yknow? but i agree, plus nothing in brutus's backstory is specific to that event so like i just genuinely dont think it could be him. if it were him, the event would be similar with all three of them not just only baden and thane
for now its just okay lore filler when i think abt it
zenith pond
Ye
zenith pond
Anyways the setting is fictional and while I appreciate they want an aesthetic people of color can still be in an aesthetic that's not tribal or oriental, black people can be knights and undead and forest people. Latine people can be kings and necromancers. I could go on. @ Lilith please give us diversity you will make HELLA bank if you need financial motivation
dark heath
🙏
also since you said you were interested in middle eastern characters
i have a turkish lb and a turkish wilder im working on
👀
inland steppe
@zenith pond U REALLY PREACHIN THE GOSPEL!!!! AMEN TO THAT
zenith pond
Like? I will drop so much money to support this game??
If they start dropping characters of color?
inland steppe
seriously like.... just i would love for a lot of diversity especially because its such an international game and like i love the steps they are taking and yea, i know they're trying and i want to be happy with the positive inclusion especially having powerful poc characters and ignoring the somewhat tired and almost racist angry animal tropes like, im proud of the game and its pretty great for an ftp but god i want more body diversity and racial diversity
like.... the female characters are the best but i wish a fighter like raine didnt wear such a low top or tasi also like... yknow? its not necessary aaaaaall the time
though im really thankful they didnt sexualize isabella esp cause shes a child
zenith pond
Honestly yeah, same
inland steppe
whips out a folding chair
raven kraken
hell9 lovelies
dense plume
should we take the gay over here then
dark heath
yeah maybe so
dark heath
more relevant here than the other channel
vast surge
I see it as token representation, in the same way that just deciding "hmm my cast of characters is too white I'll just make one brown then call it a day and not think about any possible repercussions it could have" is a bad idea. Doesn't always turn into a horrible train wreck, but still a bad habit
inland steppe
whos ready to talk about gay fightin characters
dark heath
oh
dense plume
yeehaw
dark heath
tokenizing is a completely different thing
raven kraken
mmm i get you cyan
dense plume
oh yeah I agree
raven kraken
i think its possible to authentically hc though.
dark heath
Tokenizing is bad bc it pretends to care while getting credit for nothing.
Headcanons are free real estate.
Kinda difficult to tokenize.
since theres no profit involved.
So no need to.
you just, kinda do whatever
vast surge
I judge hc and fanfics in the same way I judge other media if they're being put out in public settings like on ff.net etc.
dense plume
but I feel like tokenization (i cant spell shit) usually comes from the creators, not the fans with their headcanons
mm yea
dark heath
But fanfiction and headcanons are not mainstream media.
They dont go by the same standards at all.
raven kraken
an aspect of tokenizing is seen in erasing important part of the character, like if their race cis/trans status or sexuality was made explicit in their character, just for the sake of making them another thing. and i dislike it qhen that happens
dark heath
Esp since fanfic and hc are often nonprofit
inland steppe
yea, hc's to my knowledge really just come from people who either poc or like lgbt who want to see their representations shown when they can sort of find evidence that makes them feel happier
dark heath
that changes the dynamics.
inland steppe
or like
vast surge
🤷 not main stream media =/= exempt from critique
inland steppe
more relatable with their favorite characters
dark heath
Obviously you can critizise it.
But its done for different reasons than in mainstream media
Fanfic writers arent being paid to include things.
Etc.
Non profit and profit media work differently.
Thats what I mean.
vast surge
if marvel was paid to put a trans character into the mcu then turned out a good trans character I wouldn't bat an eye
inland steppe
i understand you should be critical of all media but i mean if a nb person looked at (and just using afk bc its a common ground) niru and said "niru is also nb because i see several personal identifiers in this character and i want to enjoy this character as someone like myself"
i dont think that would be bad or just labeling
raven kraken
a common example is alot of anime characters where characters are japanese (seen by name) but ppl hc them as white or black etc. like no haha they are at least part japanese wyd. however, for things like fantasy series, like hxh, idc whether gon freecs is white japanese or hisbanic yo
im sorry im on a whole nother train of thought
inland steppe
that person is doing it tor them and not to like
raven kraken
LMAO i will just sit back and just view the convo
inland steppe
idk? profit? or do it poorly/properly
vast surge
I care more about the actual result then the process of getting there
dark heath
Non-profit media is usually personal, profit media is usually tokenized.
To put it like that.
dark heath
Like different media work differently. you cant judge them on the same basis.
You still can, but like
vast surge
in regards to what u said about niru ventoaurio, like I said I only care if they are publicized in the same way other media is
dark heath
theyre different, so its not an exact comparison.
Like I don't expect fanfiction to put a token gay character.
Bc high chance its already intended to be gay.
like yknow?
Its normalized for fanfic, but not mainstream media.
So it's treated differently.
vast surge
I judge various mediums on the same level
inland steppe
not to say i don't understand where cyans coming from and i absolutely hate when major media pulls the "we're so relatable look we have ONE poc" and like the one poc is either killed, sterotyped, or like ignored then thats an issue
things like what jk rowling did is an issue
dark heath
jk rowling assigned my gender when i was 10
fkoeapfkakfpa
sorry thats just
suc ha meme at this point
inland steppe
like just slapping a useless title on a character who shows no sign of their identity
i agree thats FUCKED
but yknow
dark heath
Idk what else to add
but like
i rather read fanfic or indie work
over mainstream media
to end it.
off
ig
like i dont expect
genuine work
from that.
medium
inland steppe
HAHAHA NONE OF THIS CONVO CAN BE VALID UNTIL JK ROWLING ASSESS IT FOR ITS LABEL TO COME
vast surge
if you take a character and then literally slap a trans coat of paint on her, the problem is self evident imo
raven kraken
i think ppl appreciate characters in different ways. some ppl project important parts of their identity on characters, as a form of self expression through mediums that are important to them. some ppl like to explore the depths of the canon characters portrayal beyond what is explicitly show in the canon media. im more of the latter, but i understand why the former happens, even if i dont always agree with it. i in fact dont agree with many headcanons haha, but they are valid bc its not like im being told to believe in them.
dark heath
If someone wants to do that bc they're trans and related
I dont see the issue.
If there's anything to be complained on when it comes to that, then it's cis people doing that.
bc thats understandable.
but like
when trans or nb people do it
it really shouldnt be an issue.
It's not tokenizing for x group to see themselves in y character.
vast surge
handling any character and making them trans without putting any thought into it could have negative consequences overall. Its bs and unfair that you have to step on eggshells when it comes to trans people
dark heath
Are you talking about cis people having those hcs or trans people having those hcs?
Because the difference matters.
vast surge
but trans people are in a delicate enouhg place on society you should really be careful about what you're doing
dark heath
I know that.
granite ruin
Uhh
dark heath
I just think we're misunderstanding eachother.
granite ruin
Raises hand
granite ruin
Why does what one person love or like matter to anyone else.
dark heath
Why is that an issue?
dark heath
It's not tokenizing for me to view Vedan as nb when im literally nb myself.
vast surge
like I said I'm criticizing shallow characterizations of trans ppl in media. every character in afk arena is fairly shallow
zenith pond
It's fiction let people hc what they want? It's not going to have an effect on others if it's not forced
dark heath
I'm talking about
Trans people
having
Trans hc
you're misunderstanding
what im saying
Cis people having those hcs
are a whole other story
dark heath
but im not on about those.
granite ruin
It should go in #545919777907015684
zenith pond
Yeet
granite ruin
If you had an OC who was trans we could discuss
dark heath
Anyway i've said what i said
granite ruin
Dropkicks my spider
raven kraken
o o f im a slow typer LOL the convo has ended
dark heath
feafeafkoåakfak
dark heath
I just dont think they understood what i was tryna say lol
raven kraken
zenith pond
Anyways I do actually hc Niru and Shemira as both trans there's no proof for or against but I rly relate to Niru as a nb trans boy so yes. And to have a kid with Shemira would mean she's trans too.
dark heath
and a wilder
raven kraken
to be fair headcanons are very hard to explain
dark heath
gimme a moment
raven kraken
like, the concept of them
zenith pond
Tbh
zenith pond
Headcanons are 'im filling in what isn't explicitly told'
dark heath
the lb is a nonbinary dumbass
zenith pond
I love them
granite ruin
Yanno Ankhira's spider tribe?
dark heath
they dating
zenith pond
Nice
dense plume
vorelord said nb rights thanky ou
granite ruin
Am making spider lady who's super smol
dark heath
who do you take me for
granite ruin
For most biological male spiders be smol
zenith pond
Yes
dense plume
i wanna make a mauler oc,,,
dense plume
👀
limber saddle
is this a tumblr conversation
granite ruin
No
limber saddle
thought so
dense plume
oh god mood
dark heath
same
dark heath
https://gyazo.com/9861a893ebb19cce0991b19d73df956b @zenith pond thought maybe youd be interested in this
tryna write more on it
def have to rewrite ender's skills tho
zenith pond
Ooh I like it
dark heath
same.
timber perch
overall you're allowed to headcanon a LGBTQetcetc character
whatever your sexuality is no?
it doesn't mean you're automatically tokenizing I think
zenith pond
Yeet
timber perch
was just reading
dark heath
ah, alright.
rough bolt
So i heard majority of maulers are evil except for khasos, is that true that Khasos is the least evil among of them?
raven kraken
idk if theyre evil
they just have a culture that clashes with the other factions
since they seem to put alot of emphasis on warrior/honor through fighting culture
by other factions, i mean the order loving lb and peace loving wilders specifically
dense moth
Safiya was pretty evil
trim reef
new mingoo (my afk ocs if you guys dont know already) fact guys
dark heath
owo
trim reef
he is an expert shapeshifter, which doesn't mean that he can't just turn into animals, but he can turn into people as well
so he abuses his power to mess with people of course
dark heath
can he turn into abraxas 🤔