nvm
#afk-lore
dark heath
final orchid
Lmao
final orchid
Oof
granite ruin
Because they can and will change the lore ingame
dark heath
just check the wiki lol
granite ruin
Please fix Silvina or Isabella's
final orchid
Yeah but that requires effort vedan
granite ruin
One or the other
final orchid
I'm lazy
dark heath
trickster
granite ruin
They contradict each other.
dark heath
ur brain is ass
final orchid
🤔
granite ruin
And Isabella's parents were murdered when she was a girl
It doesn't even say when Silvina died, it could have been during the bandit raid while she was elsewhere as "no one could fight the bandits"
dark heath
it be like that sometimes
final orchid
Idk lol
dark heath
vedan has 17 bat babies
and if not canon i will
write an essay on why it should be.
granite ruin
I'll take that essay on my desk by Monday afternoon
dark heath
well that's bat noises
granite ruin
Also how did Grezuhl become a Graveborn
Man literally too angry to die
No necromancer involved???
dark heath
no he was so angry he resurrected himself outta anger
granite ruin
How did he even find someone to raise Thoran
astral onyx
The god of death has influenced the world with his powers no matter how light so it isn't too unlikely that Grezhul managed to grasp onto that and come back to life
Baseless claim but whatever
zenith pond
He made a deal with something afaik. Lemme find his lore again
granite ruin
It's weird because no one actually did a spell on him as far as I knoe
If Ghosts can just raise people we should see a lot more Graveborn.
granite ruin
That's interesting
I wonder if he could get it back via proper necromancy?
Since some people obviously still have their souls.
zenith pond
I like to think the Graveborn is both an entity and a faction. Because Niru is also mentioned muttering to some entity before he's executed
granite ruin
Niru did some weird rite of summoning
And he definitely wasn't instant
But he learned how to do it as well so thonk????
zenith pond
"occasionally hearing other voices murmur back"
I used this concept in Garion's backstory
That there is... something helping the Graveborn along
granite ruin
Honestly though, does this mean all Graveborn have, or can obtain, the capacity to "turn" others?
zenith pond
Can obtain at least
granite ruin
Isabella talks to the dead but she isn't dead herself, but she did get the glow in her eyes just by using necromancy
astral onyx
There is only one known entity that can help Graveborns which is i keep mentioning but it still doesn't mean he is the only one capable of doing it so can't be too sure
granite ruin
I mean
Dura's tears do the exact same effect
Rejuvenate and reinvigorate
And the GB don't like Hypogeans overall
astral onyx
GB are just people that were cucked by life, not exactly the source of evil
granite ruin
cucked by life
Vedan.exe
dark heath
i agree on that duality
granite ruin
Vedan tosses a wrench in this because he never specifically died
dark heath
not inherently evil, imo.
granite ruin
In fact he's yeeting away from death with all his might
zenith pond
The Graveborn are against the Hypogean, and I feel like coming back from the dead, is spitting in Annih's face
zenith pond
Telling him 'no' basically
astral onyx
I'm gonna go have a read too
granite ruin
LOL
dark heath
literally someone with vedan in their name but has 0 idea about his lore lmao
granite ruin
I can copy paste from the internet lol
B safe
But yeah Vedan was a noble who was perfectly happy
He thought death was beneath him
Got some ancient tomes, kidnapped some kids
dark heath
👏
granite ruin
And wound up living forever (or at least becoming super hard to kill)
zenith pond
I feel like Graveborn is just an overall faction for 'undead'
Not like a specific race
astral onyx
So he used necromancy and rituals to ascend humanity?
zenith pond
Because you have Treants and fae in the wilders
granite ruin
Yeah Vedan never specifically died
zenith pond
Is vampire. I think Isa at this point may as well be the beginnings of a lich
astral onyx
Pretty sure necromancy falls under the god of death's realm but you are right in debunking my "all GB are cucked by life"
zenith pond
Yeah. But I think it's not so simple as there being only one kind of Graveborn. Garion and Grezhul could be one type, born from this last ditch deal made. Niru another for having performed a ritual before death, Shemira and Daimon likely the same.
granite ruin
Niru just changed her
zenith pond
Mmmm, no I think she died, because it mentions her last days living or something somewhere in the beginning
granite ruin
They also edited her lore and I have not read the new entry closely
I have the old one thankfully
A soul forged in sorrow with nothing left to her in the world. This was Shemira in the final months of her life. Her husband had been a renowned healer, but her adoration and respect for him had gone out the window when she heard about the horrific acts of which he'd been accused. Her love soured such that when his execution came, she felt more anger than sadness. Niru had left her alone to care for their son in an uncaring world.
It wasn't long after Niru's execution that the fevers took hold on her boy, Silvestre. Had Niru been present, Shemira was sure that he could've done something. She did everything she could, calling on all the best remaining physicians of Esperia and keeping vigil with silent prayers at the child's bedside. Her efforts, however, were not enough. After his burial, she felt as if she had nothing left to live for. There was no longer any reason to go about her days as she had before. She began spending almost every waking hour next to the grave of her son, sometimes filling the cemetery with a haunting wail, sometimes staring trancelike at the headstone for hours on end. She stopped taking food more often than not, and her face became hollow, her expression blank.
One day as she sat beside the grave, watching the last weak rays of sunlight kiss her son's name carved in the stone, she heard her name. She couldn't locate the source of the voice, but it seemed to be right next to her.
zenith pond
.loreshemira
wanton swallowBOT
astral onyx
There has been no mention of a "living" graveborn so it isn't wrong to call them all undead
Lemme recheck though
I could be wrong
Or someone can correct me
granite ruin
Vedan is not dead
His entire lore is "I don't want to die"
.lorevedan
Curses not in the bot
zenith pond
Yeah
granite ruin
And doing crazy magic
So "Graveborn" is really weird lol
Because if I didn't know the lore I would assume Annih's Hypogeans were the Graveborn (born of death)
But that's also not the case.
zenith pond
Again I think it's a matter of race within the faction
Like there are elves and Treants in the Wilders
Graveborn may just mean any undead who opposes the Hypogeans
granite ruin
I wonder if this means we'll get Hypogeans opposing Annih in the GB?
Or that that's basically not Grezuhl.
zenith pond
Who knows. Maybe.
I still like to think there's an entity making deals with dead and dying who are into necromancy, or just necromancers in general.
forest mural
Like a higher power, so to speak?
zenith pond
Or a powerful spirit of some kind
granite ruin
Dura, smoking a pipe and playing ghost blackjack "Hey. Hey wanna go mess with Annih?"
zenith pond
Akdjsjsjfja
granite ruin
Thoran Silvina Grezuhl Niru and Shemira are true undead
granite ruin
Isabella and Vedan are ?????
light aurora
reading the lore, and looking at them is different :p
zenith pond
This is a lore discussion channel tho
granite ruin
I mean all of the GB sprites ingame have sharp teeth if they show teeth
light aurora
Isabella looks like a mini dragon
granite ruin
Shemira Ferael and Isabella have closed mouths/no visible teeth
At first I thought Vedan just had fangs
zenith pond
Grey skin is dead skin thi
granite ruin
It's all fang
zenith pond
Tho*
And what is undead supposed to look like, just curious? Zombies aren't the only kind of u dead?
Undead*
forest mural
Vampires could be a good example of undead still looking human
light aurora
a vampire is an undead, but doesnt necessarily have gray skin
forest mural
Lol
light aurora
Han Rainfire xD
granite ruin
In this world the undead are partially rotting though
Some are at least, as one of the bulletin board missions is to specifically get embalming materials for some of them who have issues
zenith pond
Yeet
granite ruin
So there may be stronger or weaker classes
light aurora
the only rotting one is Thoran xD
granite ruin
Not necessarily true
zenith pond
You can rot internally before it shows on the outside. Also you don't know what's under everyone's clothes.
light aurora
other ones look fine (cant say since cant see underneath their clothes)
zenith pond
So you can't definitively say
granite ruin
Did they say how Niru was killed?
astral onyx
Executions were usually beheaded shit
zenith pond
No but I imagine by hanging,
astral onyx
Especially since she SAW his execution
granite ruin
Yeah if he was hanged
light aurora
or burned
granite ruin
That explains the fucking neck
zenith pond
L O L
granite ruin
Lmao
zenith pond
Brb yall
granite ruin
"I think I'll keep it! Good fashion choice!"
astral onyx
forest mural
I like the idea of stronger and weaker classes of undead. Like strong magic users would have better control over their state of undeadness
granite ruin
Niru for sure can make at least stronger undead
zenith pond
Concept:Niru wearing those neck extension rings and shit
granite ruin
He raised his child (dead for quite a while) in great condition
And Shemira is in great shapr
zenith pond
Yeah and not to mention powerwise Shemira is nuts
forest mural
Also, related to manner of death, how they would appear afterwards, such as Niru and execution, vs Shemira just crossing over
light aurora
which is weird though
if we have to take Shemira's name to its true meaning, its the ritual of watching over the body of a deceased person from the time of death until burial (thanks google)
forest mural
That's neat
light aurora
good job dev's x)
granite ruin
Not that many, but Shemira probably had more attention to her lore
Being a higher rarity
...Which sucks because a certain Sphinx contradicts herself between personal and library lore.
light aurora
Niru's meaning is having great strenght and power
granite ruin
Chapter 8 agrees but-
On the power scale Niru's middling
Niru Vedan and Silvina are "eh" for power.
zenith pond
I've seen my Niru drop some very, very humbling damage numbers, but I'm still low level
light aurora
i do believe that if he gets to become ascended, he'd be a monster, thus why he must be kept at legendary level 😃
forest mural
Silly question perhaps, but I'm still new: lower tier heroes can get bumped up, st from legendary cap to ascended cap?
granite ruin
If their tier isn't ascended they can never go above L+
forest mural
Eh I'm not asking it right gimme a sec
Like has it happened that the devs promoted a previously legendary hero to ascension tier
forest mural
Ok, ty!
Was imaging a lore that caused them to ascend, doing something so legendary that it causes them to ascend
granite ruin
Homebrew lore and fan fiction are also both welcome here?
forest mural
Good to know Ty ^-^
light aurora
yes they are
zenith pond
Oh yeah I babble about my OC in here all thetime
light aurora
fan fiction, whatever comes to your mind, as long as related to afk arena
forest mural
It was kinda related to Isabella being ascended but Silvina not, and Silvina being "true" graveborn while Isabella never died
granite ruin
Silvina also failed to take on one noble
While Isabella slaughtered an entire village then gave some noble schmuck the keys to immortality.
forest mural
Good point
That's where the lore would come in, making her something greater than her current self. Hogan makes me think like that too, but lore wise it's like he's gone as far as he can
I like "noble schmuck" btw lol
dark heath
Same
dark heath
Vedan: I AM A LUXURY YOU CANNOT AFFORD!
final orchid
Expensive pin dick energy lmfao
light aurora
lmfao xD
forest mural
LOL
dark heath
Also Vedan: excessive bat noises
light aurora
sonar echo noises
forest mural
so he squeaks
light aurora
thats why he just starts flying around randomely
doesnt really know who's the target
dark heath
He squeaks when no one is around
final orchid
Lol
zenith pond
Kskdkskdks
dark heath
Being called "cute" would have ruined any confidence Vedan has.
He is above "cutesy".
He is legendary
And legendary people do not squeak.
light aurora
the afk arena barney stinson himself
dark heath
Whomst
dark heath
Whomst
light aurora
nevermind if you dont know who that is x)
dark heath
Vedan knows no one but himself.
light aurora
“It's going to be legen...wait for it...and I hope you're not lactose-intolerant cause the second half of that word is...dairy!”
forest mural
Lmao Deimer
dark heath
Vedan: hits his toe
forest mural
Hmmm. Isabella turns on Vedan, releasing never heard before recordings of squeaking pin **** energy
dark heath
Vedan:
Vedan's inner organs that control his speech: SQUEAK
Nah isa and Silv know he squeaks
Although if they tell, vedan wont make their favorite meals ever again
forest mural
Silv eats?
forest mural
Before she dies anyway
dark heath
No its after
light aurora
but silv is not a vampy, is she ?
dark heath
🤷
forest mural
No just grave born, from what I understand of her lore
light aurora
she got the same type of horns than isa
granite ruin
Silvina is a Graveborn zombie
Not a vampire
Iunno what the fuck Isabella is
It's questionable whether or not Silvina and Isabella are human
forest mural
But why does she have a tail?
light aurora
so whats the thing hanging under her dress ? 
forest mural
Lmao
light aurora
hey Rainfire, stop reading my mind
forest mural
We just assume it
final orchid
Probably bc vedan is was human, but ur right it makes more sense to assume isa and sil werent originally human
light aurora
seems to me like they were originally wilders
light aurora
dark elves
light aurora
Silvina was a wilder assassin and Isabella a wilder mage
Isa went crazy shit for dealing with too much magic
and Silv just got overwhelmed by the number of deaths, got consumed and turned to the graveborn side
forest mural
As kids they had a pretty idyllic life, till the "incident"
granite ruin
Which is contradicted by Silvina's lore but
Thanks for writing hers to conflict so baaad
light aurora
a lore is just a lore, you actually never know the truest reallest story x)
zenith pond
Has anyone checked their lore since the updatem
forest mural
I could see a peaceful wilder spin, not wanting to stay in the wood so the village develops
granite ruin
Lemme login
zenith pond
Since they slid Silvestre's name change to Daimon under the table
forest mural
Yeah wow silv's contradicts Isabella big time
light aurora
The reason why Eironn is here now, is because he is in search of his long lost sister, Silvina, whose name was [name]
zenith pond
Yep. Still wildly conflicting there. Strange.
forest mural
Nicely put
granite ruin
Isabella's lore btw
light aurora
"seems like Brutus lost all of his maulerity" seems oddly weird to me
or gravebornity
xD
granite ruin
The end of the Arcanist Guild Entry, backed up by Isabella's lore. It also states in Vedan's lore that he taught Silvina to fight.
It would make the most sense if Silvina went after Raine on Vedan's order, but her lore contradicts all three of these.
zenith pond
Humanity comes from humane, not human
final orchid
I've always wondered that, like the term "humanity" came about in our human only society, how is that term viewed in worlds with multiple intelligent races? Do they still use humanity? Do the other races consider that speciesist? Is that a thing? Do they have a different word they use?
zenith pond
Iirc anyways
final orchid
I've been on the internet for as long as I remember and I only just figured out what lirc means lmao
granite ruin
Lol
final orchid
Brain still at 1% capacity
forest mural
I was about to Google it...
zenith pond
Mood
granite ruin
But yeah it upsets me how botched Silvina's lore is
zenith pond
It means 'If I Remember Correctly'
forest mural
Thanks
zenith pond
Me too
final orchid
Oh I lol I guessed the meaning wrong
zenith pond
Rip
light aurora
how does it contradict ?
final orchid
I thought It was 'like I rly care' or something like that bc 1%brain capacity
light aurora
they are both orphans
granite ruin
Multiple places
zenith pond
But yeah I think humanity comes from humane, as in compassion, etc, rather than human
light aurora
i mean thats how i see it
zenith pond
Isabella's backstory mentions her and her sister having playtime and stuff together
forest mural
Like silv orphaned at birth and trained to kill doesn't fit with playing in meadows with her sister
light aurora
when they were kids
zenith pond
Also Vedan in his lore is the one to teach her to fight
granite ruin
- Silvina, the older sister, was orphaned as an infant, but Isabella played with her happily in the meadows
- When raiders attacked their village, no one could fend off the raiders. Silvina was apparently doing jack shit.
- Silvina was apparently raised to be an assassin, but Vedan's lore specifically states he taught her to be a killer.
alpine barn
I figured they mixed up 'Infancy' with 'Childhood'
granite ruin
Also interesting though not a direct contradiction
Isabella was a necromancer by the time Silvina died, or she had to have been.
forest mural
By Isabella's lore silvina wouldn't be able to do anything yet, but she's how they both escaped
granite ruin
Yet it was some fucking rando who raised Silvina
light aurora
they do mention "in her earliest years" on Isa's lore
granite ruin
Silvina's lore is full of holes with her guild, Vedan, and her sister
forest mural
Is that something we could bring to their attention?
granite ruin
Maybe?
dark heath
i mean
the pin for this channel says
''ideas the devs might take interest in''
or something like that
granite ruin
We could try suggesting in #classic-suggestions for more lore and clarity in the case of Silvina, who specifically goes against other units' lore.
dark heath
i doubt they will read this tho lol
light aurora
they should make a specific chan for lore suggestions
dark heath
this is ltierally
forest mural
I don't think it'd get proper attention tho
granite ruin
^
granite ruin
You wanna submit it or shall I ECX?
granite ruin
Implying I brain good.
zenith pond
Better than me when I'm spitting up absolute garbage
dark heath
that's cobra's name
granite ruin
forest mural
Ah derp lol
forest mural
Go for it
dark heath
excalibur the cobra
zenith pond
That's sweet af
dark heath
👀
zenith pond
Vorelord gave me the nickname Cobra so there I am
dark heath
feafafa
zenith pond
Ecxcabre is my in-game name
granite ruin
Also I put
severe plume
Hee
forest mural
Vedan I had to request access to that
granite ruin
Silvina's lore would make her older than Raine
granite ruin
On top of that the necromancer nearby is probably/possibly the one who almost rekt Fawkes
dark heath
[OC] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QWl50e1adyIjjW7aYop7OCqf0P3M6NZdDLE6DM7yqlc/edit?usp=sharing
it should work now.
granite ruin
How the hell old are Silv and Isa???
dark heath
12 and 9 according to some peeps
final orchid
Silv looks in her teens maybe 13-16
granite ruin
Nothing ingame supplants that
Silv tried to kill Raine
And Raine was younger than Silv
final orchid
Hmm
final orchid
Raines looks older than her tho
granite ruin
Silvina died
final orchid
O right
granite ruin
Shortly after trying to take on Raine's father
But the bigger issue
Is Isabella not aging
final orchid
So she's like babette in the dark brother hood eternally in the body of a child
forest mural
@dark heath that was interesting
granite ruin
Did she get hit with the immortal stick too when she gave it to Vedan?
forest mural
Sure
dark heath
i still gotta map out their locations tho 👀
severe plume
I should make an oc unu
severe plume
But I'm helping a friend design a LoL oc rn
dark heath
im gonna make a map
forest mural
Fran I like that, "immortal stick" lol
dark heath
whomst
forest mural
LOL
dark heath
OH
granite ruin
But yeah that's
An interesting thought
Man Silvina's lore fucks a lot of stuff up
zenith pond
Yep! And they have a son.
granite ruin
He should be added ingame soon
zenith pond
It's in her story, you can see it from the hero portraits screen in game
granite ruin
He used to be named Silvestre but they ninja patched his name to Damon earlier today.
thin thistle
silvina/silvestre look similar
thin thistle
no i meant the names look similar
zenith pond
Might be part of the reason for changing it, the similarity in names
granite ruin
All other factions have 8 characters
thin thistle
yeah
dark heath
would merfolk be considered amphibian?
thin thistle
reptiles
granite ruin
Depends on the mer
dark heath
well what other word do i use
thin thistle
amphibians
zenith pond
No, they'd be fish tbh. Probably related to like
Lungfish
Since they can breathe air
final orchid
Fishian
final orchid
I'm not very smart
thin thistle
yo why are you guys green
zenith pond
;w; I'm not but I try my hardest to make it
final orchid
They're of the. Fishian kingdom
zenith pond
Fake it*
thin thistle
o
granite ruin
Contact a mod if you hit 20
forest mural
Vedan I really liked Makai
dark heath
would ''Poisonous Lands' make a good geographical name for a region inhabited mostly by lamia?
owo thanks rain
thin thistle
why would they be poisonous? are lamia poisnous?
dark heath
theyre snakes
zenith pond
Venomous maybe?
thin thistle
arent lamia half woman half snake tho
forest mural
I always saw lamia as more of a siren type
thin thistle
yeah what rain said
forest mural
True
thin thistle
yeah but they never have the head of the snake
zenith pond
Petition to rename snaketaurs to serpentaurs
thin thistle
the snake is always the bottom half
dark heath
thats valid cobra
forest mural
Always a woman too
zenith pond
Ok but they're fictional they can be whatever
forest mural
Yup
zenith pond
Lamia gets the idea across tho
granite ruin
Lamia is fine.
thin thistle
lamia is all women
granite ruin
Not always
forest mural
I know
zenith pond
Eyup
granite ruin
We don't have a cool DND name for them, like half spiders are Driders
granite ruin
...No
zenith pond
Yuan-ti is a DnD serpent race
granite ruin
forest mural
It looks like it should be lol
granite ruin
O Yeet I deadass forgot
zenith pond
But lamia is a common word used over all
forest mural
That's why I specified afk race... They could be expanded on a lot
zenith pond
Ye
thin thistle
it wasnt even a race
zenith pond
Cool this is fiction and lamia is used in many media sources as a catch all snake term
*snake person
granite ruin
The initial Greek lamia was one woman
thin thistle
what the hell are cobrataurs
light aurora
venomous lands, looks like a flatenned slime
granite ruin
Medusa was one sister of a tribe of Gorgons
But Medusa is a race now
Things evolve over time.
dense plume
oh that's a nice idea :0
also aren't "serpentaurs" called naga as well? i might be wrong
granite ruin
They are
granite ruin
Mmm
dense plume
ah I see
granite ruin
Dessert
dark heath
are you gonna mock my spelling
forest mural
Desert nagas
granite ruin
Yes
light aurora
wait how is medusa a race now ?
dark heath
its not?
severe plume
She isnt
thin thistle
wouldnt cobrataurs just be horses withs anke uper boddies
zenith pond
Lots of games call it a race tho
light aurora
she is just a one lady indeed
thin thistle
then thats a lamia
granite ruin
Lamia also used to be one lady
granite ruin
She also got cursed
zenith pond
Words are made up, no one cares. Can the word argument go to #545919777907015684
severe plume
Like casseopeia from lol :/
thin thistle
🤣
severe plume
:////
dark heath
you whine its not lamia bc he isnt a woman
then you tell me its lamia
like decide please
zenith pond
Probably a troll
dark heath
no i just think theyre misinformed on whats going on
zenith pond
Anyways I'm doodling Garion next to Niru and. Hm. Wow. He's tol.
forest mural
Was also thinking troll
granite ruin
Which one
granite ruin
I assume both but
zenith pond
Both are but Garion is taller and I might rethink this
dark heath
😦
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Also my HC is Niru has a freakishly long neck because he was hanged and it distended
And no one can convince me otherwise
forest mural
Hahaha
zenith pond
Garion is like. Just shy of Brutus's height but I imagine Brutus is tall af
dark heath
abraxas is still taller if u think about it 🤔
zenith pond
And niru I figure is just a tall lanky human
light aurora
to me he was burnt, and got them clothes to hide the burn marks
light aurora
and the robe to hide his bones x)
granite ruin
Showing his abs
zenith pond
She's rite tho
dark heath
i know lol
zenith pond
I don't think he was burned, though, to be burnt to death would be total immolation
granite ruin
I doubt, even if Shemira grew to resent Niru, she would have watched him burn
And she did watch him die
light aurora
he casted a spell before being completly burned
light aurora
dang, another barney stinson quote comes to my mind now xD
dark heath
hey cobra
zenith pond
I like to think in those months he was gathering his strength
granite ruin
Like it was a good gap of time between "Niru died" and "Niru raised his son and turned his wife"
light aurora
“Jesus waited three days to come back to life. It was perfect! If he had only waited one day, a lot of people wouldn't have even heard he died. They'd be all, "Hey Jesus, what up?" and Jesus would probably be like, "What up? I died yesterday!" and they'd be all, "Uh, you look pretty alive to me, dude..." and then Jesus would have to explain how he was resurrected, and how it was a miracle, and the dude'd be like "Uhh okay, whatever you say, bro..." And he's not gonna come back on a Saturday. Everybody's busy, doing chores, workin' the loom, trimmin' the beard, NO. He waited the perfect number of days, three. Plus it's Sunday, so everyone's in church already, and they're all in there like "Oh no, Jesus is dead", and then BAM! He bursts in the back door, runnin' up the aisle, everyone's totally psyched, and FYI, that's when he invented the high five. That's why we wait three days to call a woman, because that's how long Jesus wants us to wait.... True story.”
zenith pond
He probably had to recover from raising himself
granite ruin
I'm not sure that belongs in this channel @light aurora
light aurora
no offense to anyone here, its just a quote
granite ruin
It's kinda entirely off topic
light aurora
well praise the lord i mentioned it's just a quote x)
forest mural
There's no telling what that the spell actually did to bring him back, too, tho he looks like he was in the coffin for awhile
zenith pond
Anyways so Garion is just shorter than Brutus and in my head Brutus is like massive
final orchid
Brutus big boi
granite ruin
Niru heard someone/something talking back
dark heath
cobra.
final orchid
Dab
dark heath
psststs.
granite ruin
So I do assume he succeeded
forest mural
Yup
dark heath
full body garion png pls.
final orchid
dark heath
if u can give.
zenith pond
I'm making Garion like 8'10" because I think Brutus could easily be nine feet
granite ruin
He was casting small spells on the battlefield too.
zenith pond
I thought I sent one in art?
dark heath
no
final orchid
B I g b o y
dark heath
that one wasnt transparent
zenith pond
The one from before?
dark heath
need transp background.
zenith pond
Oh I can't get it transparent anymore. Saved over it after I got the headshot
granite ruin
Graveborn can't come back without a body intact as far as we know
dark heath
i dont wanna put hours where its not neccessary ok fran
but you dont have the full body file anymore?
light aurora
severe plume
Arm
zenith pond
I do but I saved it with a white background and got rid of the Krita file because it takes up room
zenith pond
Because I don't need it?
dark heath
you dont need garion??
zenith pond
??
zenith pond
I didn't save the layered versiin
dark heath
well ill have do then
light aurora
sorry to interrupt, so yeah, graveborns are not intact x)
zenith pond
You don't have to do anything, don't worry about it if it's a lot of trouble
It is technically, by definition, intact
dark heath
well i really wanna make the silhouette
zenith pond
His parts are there, the skin is just a little funy
dark heath
so im doing it
granite ruin
No no, what I mean is they do need a body @light aurora
light aurora
intact means no damage to me though
light aurora
oh, wrong use of words, ma bad
granite ruin
If you tried to raise someone you need a skeleton
zenith pond
Also if Niru had been burnt, his whole body would have been Burt a robe wouldn't have covered it
granite ruin
Burning to death typically won't
zenith pond
Burnt*
granite ruin
Stop at just them dying
They buried the body so they also didn't think to full on cremate him
forest mural
Hmm. Wouldn't restoring the dead imply a restoration of body, to an extent
light aurora
Btw, is it really his abs showing ? not just some tight skin clothe ?
zenith pond
And then take so long to come bring Daimon back
granite ruin
It's most definitely abs
zenith pond
I'm pretty sure. I grab the exact same color from there as from his face
granite ruin
Niru is awful for consistency between his sprite and his artwork
light aurora
looks darker to me though
zenith pond
And you can see his ribs like he's starved
Exaggeration there
Nah I picked a lot of colors while drawing him
Those we're the same
granite ruin
When he brought Silvestre (Damon) back, he was fine
zenith pond
We're*
light aurora
thats the thing, doesnt seem like ribs to me, the way its shaped looks like the extension of his upper body armor
zenith pond
Eyup
granite ruin
It's pants
forest mural
I vote ribs imo
zenith pond
I hate that. It's a skirt
granite ruin
Lmao
forest mural
Lol
zenith pond
In my heart
final orchid
Lmao
granite ruin
In game sprites on some characters are hilariously bad
zenith pond
So bad....
granite ruin
Niru and Fawkes are both fucked up
zenith pond
Poor Fawkes missing half his fugging coat
light aurora
or maybe thats how it is meant to be
zenith pond
Nnnnope
light aurora
half human, half dead
zenith pond
He's not half dead
light aurora
well, he's got a demon inside or iono
zenith pond
He's got a parasite insert Venom joke
zenith pond
Skfkakfje
light aurora
the parasite took over half of his body, and decided to tear that coat
granite ruin
Or my personal theory
zenith pond
Its only in his hand
zenith pond
Edjskajd
light aurora
yeah, and the hand can tear clothes :p
zenith pond
His lore mentions him having to learn to control it
granite ruin
^
granite ruin
I mean if he can't stop himself from ripping his clothes I really doubt he'd willingly go with Raine to recruit Mirael
For bounty hunting
zenith pond
Yeah that's. A liability
light aurora
its just his clothes, its not like he's ripping apart his friends either
zenith pond
Iirc his card art has both sides of the cloak
granite ruin
So unless the ghost hand is cutting and sewing his clothes while he sleeps to make him lose credibility
forest mural
Learns to control the thing and use it as a source of power~
That's a lot of restraint which would make him "people safe" lol
light aurora
i dont see the coat in its entirety on the card art
i just his ghost hand resting on the coffin
zenith pond
Vague idea of Garion's height vs Niru
zenith pond
!
trim reef
GARION IS SO FUCKING HUGE WHAT THE FUCK
dark heath
big boy satyr
trim reef
he can literally lift niru off the ground
zenith pond
Yep.
light aurora
so how tall is Garion ? 7' ? and Brutus 8' ?
zenith pond
Garion is 8'10" and I imagine Brutus is about 9 because Massive Lion Man. Niru is on the tall side for a human so probably 7' or just shy of it.
Just ballparking on the in-game characters
light aurora
giants
zenith pond
I like em tall
light aurora
but then how tall would you say Ulmus is ?
zenith pond
Massive
light aurora
cause he seems the tallest to me
dark heath
100 m lol
zenith pond
Lord of the Rings Ents
light aurora
sequoia ? xD
light aurora
Ogi too, looks taller than Brutus
zenith pond
Possibly! That would be a nice tiny detail to add, heights. But I doubt it'll go into the game it's so small
God Garion could probably break Niru like a toothpick if he wanted, his first is bigger than Niru's torso
Fist
light aurora
they could actually change their size, as they do when you fight the bosses or the ones in PoT
would make it more "real"
zenith pond
That's a pain to program. It would be cool, but I doubt it
Especially for an app game
forest mural
Better chance of having heights added
granite ruin
Probably just in the lore somewhere
light aurora
at least change their height in here then ?
granite ruin
No, that'd be hellosh
light aurora
xD
granite ruin
And probably change hitboxes
light aurora
why would they need to change the hitbox ?
forest mural
If it's just aesthetics I would guess not
light aurora
indeed
forest mural
Nice
trim reef
gay man
dark heath
discord ruins the quality btw
zenith pond
Because it makes sense, people would complain if a character as large as Brutus took up a ton of room but wasn't the biggest target
Also that's amazing thank u
dark heath
owo ur welcome
might do one with vedan
later
👀
but like
his chair is gay
instead
lol
zenith pond
Me: maybe I should make Garion smaller
Also me: Garion being the sweet gay uncle and giving Daimon the best piggy back rides of his life
zenith pond
'uncle' I say as tho he's not actively seducing Niru
dark heath
geafkeaokfa
zenith pond
But yes
dark heath
amazing
vedan is the one who does the dangerous
activities
then
i feel that's very vedan
zenith pond
Then there's Garion who's a giant teddy bear around kids
dark heath
amazing
zenith pond
And might also try to teach the various undead children the joys of arson
dark heath
vedan would approve that tho
zenith pond
Not if she teaches sil to light vedan's hair at least once
forest mural
Lol
zenith pond
Local goat uncle teaches kids how to play with fire.
dark heath
local bat dad in the background, his hand doing the 👍
zenith pond
Lmao imagine whenever I get Niru and Garion together, and they have to explain to Daimon 'no, he's ur second dad now'
dark heath
lmao.
zenith pond
Igh I need to actually write this shit
dark heath
u rly need to
zenith pond
I also want to draw Garion carrying Shemira and Niru, Daimon too if he's put out soonish.
Because he's That Big
Flops
zenith pond
Atm Vedan isn't in the story. He might come along later, but for now it's with Niru, Shemira, Daimon, Grezhul, and Thoran
zenith pond
Heh good
I'm thinking eventually they'll be looking for more Graveborn allies and will eventually find Vedan and the girls
dark heath
👀
zenith pond
Y'all I just realized if I go with the Niru-was-burnt-at-the-stake theory
That'll really stick yet another conflict between him and Garion because Garion is fire based
Which is juicy
Af
zenith pond
Ajdkakdkskjdjdbr
dark heath
👀
zenith pond
Probably not tbh. I just like Grezhul too much to not include him, and so Thoran is part of that deal
granite ruin
Lol
No I mean
Thoran was a king
And is a strong ass Graveborn, flanked by someone who can make other Graveborn
dark heath
vedan is his own king
zenith pond
Yeah, but the Graveborn may not recognize him as their king
He was a Lightbearer king, he has no claim to Graveborn royalty nor loyalty. Could he rise to Graveborn power? Yes. but beholden to him?
granite ruin
I mean
What's the other option?
Edwin?
I assume the Graveborn are somewhat organized.
Being alone or in small groups just makes you easier to kill
tawdry vigil
zenith pond
I kind of imagined them as kind of on their own. The Hypogean forces maybe forcing them to group up, which is how I'm writing.
granite ruin
Seeing as literally all five of the other factions seem to have a dislike or outright disdain
That's pretty dangerous
Well
Four.
zenith pond
Harder to find in small groups
zenith pond
I'm sure if there were any sudden Graveborn settlements they'd get invaded pretty quick. They all seem to be off on their own, Vedan still not being known as Graveborn technically and the girls with him. Niru and Shemira and their son kinda in the wind. And then Thoran and his army.
alpine barn
Anyone notice that the Master Shifu statue in Ranhorn might be the same as the one in the Wrizz fight background?
alpine barn
Shes mainly to keep my Shemira and Saveas alive. Not yet at 161
dark heath
Why play nemora ? Play numisu is the best heal for the boss guild.
Me team is : Numisu / Brutus / Khasos / Rayne and Estrilda.
raven kraken
my numisu is a pathetic elite 
severe plume
I don't even have him lol
trim reef
ester is a hungry bitch and will wake up just to eat some shredded cheese out of the fridge at 2 am in the morning
alternatively she's the type of person to buy you mcdonalds in the middle of the night
dark heath
🙏
trim reef
aye some someone help me out with coloring servaas? he's a graveborn but i dont want his palette to look like the other graveborns, if you guys know what i mean
dark heath
try giving him yellow or pink
dark heath
like fwb?
trim reef
mingoo is actually bi but he's too dumb to know
trim reef
he told you?
dark heath
it's a wording i like to use