#lineup-help

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sudden gulch
still oar
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Try
Nemora(athalia)

Eironn
Rowan(lyca)
lyca(Rowan)
Tasi
I am not familiar with +30 athalia so I can only guess and bank and athalia's bleed and eironn's control to clear the top 3
@eternal yarrow

eternal yarrow
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Holy cow it worked (I went Nemora over Athalia) Thanks!

calm slate
still oar
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Scroll up a bit @calm slate 😁

fluid obsidian
calm slate
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how far? I looked before i posted and didn't see anything. I tried using search as well and didn't see it. I may be blind though lol

winter matrix
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@calm slate scrolls up like 6 messages

calm slate
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ah i am blind af thanks sorry

austere nova
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anyone who beat 26-49, what was your lineup? i'm getting demolished

winter matrix
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You should get Rowan to M. He is an amazing support unit.

Rosaline
Shemira
Rowan
Lucius
Fawkes

Also getting crystal to 160 will help.
Also also, I suggest you don't upgrade Shemiras SI any further @fluid obsidian

fluid obsidian
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I’ll give it a shot! I’d love to get Rowan up but really lacking of fodder and next up was Lucius as I’m missing one copy of him for A. And yup I’m slowly trying to level up to 160 hopefully soon

woven lichen
somber shoal
austere nova
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@woven lichen ... lol you showed two lineups... is it the top one or bottom?

somber shoal
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any advice?

woven lichen
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@austere nova both of them work

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@somber shoal does Belinda ult? Could try tackling top first with Belinda too since not blocked by Brutus ult

somber shoal
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she does ult , but way too late and brutus has still his passive to that point

limpid pumice
winter matrix
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Try autoing Fawkes ult so he removes his shield @somber shoal

eternal yarrow
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@calm slate
Nemora

Eironn
Rowan
Lyca
Tasi

winter matrix
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An ss of all your heroes @limpid pumice

limpid pumice
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@winter matrix

winter matrix
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Nemora
Hogan
Mirael
Belinda
Lyca/Twins

calm slate
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@eternal yarrow Thanks! It worked!

opal dune
limpid pumice
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Even tho the twins aren’t ascended?@winter matrix

winter matrix
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Yea

limpid pumice
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They just get one shot by Silvina

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@winter matrix

winter matrix
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Then put Lyca or Fawkes

cinder cloak
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Stuck on 16-36. Any advice?

winter matrix
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Get crystal to 160, so you can lvl Shemira to 200. Then you can use

Tasi
Shemira
Lyca
Lucius
Nemora

cinder cloak
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OK. I was worried it was gonna be an afk for a while thing. LoL. Cheers.

winter matrix
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You can try the lineup without lvl 200 and see how it goes. Also move Nemora and Tasi around to get Nemora to charm enemies carry

austere nova
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@woven lichen just tried your lineup, my characters are 276, Isabelle is just 1 shotting tasi, eironn and Silvina is 1 shotting my entire back row 😦

woven lichen
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@austere nova this is one with a lower lineup... in general these were without elder tree so should be able to do it earlier than the reference levels

crisp nexus
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https://imgur.com/a/B0pwBI1 - looking for tips. on 10-12 / tower floor 126. getting stuck on 2nd floor of lab most rotations. thinking i may just be at a fodder wall and need some of the lower chars ascended a bit maybe?

been trying this lineup >

belinda

brutus
arden
saveas
tasi

split peak
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Saveas has no place being front line

crisp nexus
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i figured they were better suited for the back, but who should i swap with?

forest carbon
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Where's Ur hero page

crisp nexus
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that imgur link is all my heroes

split peak
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Thats ur graveborns bud

crisp nexus
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hold on

split peak
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Ok can i ask why u dont use rosaline?

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Hello?

crisp nexus
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i have her in one of my other lineups i try instead of tasi

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belinda

arden
tasi
brutus
rosa

forest carbon
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What did you get from the recent chest? You should have lucius

crisp nexus
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which chest?

forest carbon
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From assembly of heroes

crisp nexus
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def screwed up on that one then

split peak
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Honestly ur team is a mess u have three factions in one team. What did u get from it?

crisp nexus
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nowhere, that's why i'm looking for tips hahaha.

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kind of looked at some guides and who i had

forest carbon
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I would just go brutus saveas nemora tasi arden. Put tasi and brutus up front

split peak
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Um i can help u but u need to choose one or two factions to focus on before we can get anywhere

stark dragon
crisp nexus
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@split peak i have no faction preference, just whatever would work for me in the meantime and then work towards whatever.

forest carbon
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@crisp nexus I would also ascend either vedan or silvina to L. And reset brutus and tasi and level up Rosa and vedan instead

split peak
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@forest carbon he could go graveborn honestly shem and thoran can both be farmed have belinda and rosa in there plus a third graveborn or lightbearer

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@forest carbon non of what u said has a future beyond chapter 12-13 max

forest carbon
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Why?

split peak
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U gonna farm two fodder and ignore top tier ascended heroes that yes need some work but after being established could be a permanent team to late game?

forest carbon
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Yes you should focus on fodder heroes first..

split peak
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I did that exact thing and the transition to full ascended tier team was extremely hard

crisp nexus
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grave/light sounds good

split peak
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Thats what i use though u will need to be lucky belinda and lucius can carry any team to well into end game

crisp nexus
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reset my wilders, take Thoran off crystal and level him up? and figure out who my third is gonna be?

split peak
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Listen dont do anything drastic even though though they are really good u still need em at least e+ to have em be competitive

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I am giving u a direction take it slow it wont happen instantly

crisp nexus
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oh yeah well im nowhere close to that now. i'll save the lineup at least. just in the meantime wondering what to do so i'm just not stuck

split peak
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Being stuck is ok

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U are still used to being at a period in the game where constant progression happened higher up a chapter can take a month or more sometimes and then u can have a period where u go through an entire chapter in less than a day dont rush it save up farm

hoary axle
split peak
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Try shem up front put lucius in the back

subtle talon
split peak
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I am jealous of ur rowan though lol mine is only e+ but thanks to my crystal he still does what i need him to

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Take out arden use saveas

subtle talon
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Me? Just 121 him?

split peak
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Yes u take out arden and try saveas

subtle talon
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Ok I’ll try it^^ tryed ever cc combo but not this^^ ty 🙂

split peak
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Also its time to think about replacing brutus or even just having him in crystal lvling something else and u can still use him but now at a higher lvl

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Nmv he is but yeah dont keep ur crystal stuck at 120 u get an upgraded ability just one lvl higher

subtle talon
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Y Need so much dust atm but I’ll level them up asap to 121. y idk who can replace brutus, mby estrilda but idk...

split peak
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Shem can

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She is a great tank actually lol

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Even rowan if u are getting out matched he has invincibility for a few seconds the problem for brutus is that he only has limited usability his abilities are quite basic and he wont be doing any massive damage shem can kill every enemy with one ult if she is slightly overlvled

subtle talon
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Nice got it 🙂 ty vm @split peak

split peak
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Dm me if u want more info the slowmode is annoying beyond belief

subtle talon
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Ty, mby I’ll dm u bit later, need to finish some things but thank you for your offer 🙂

slim comet
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Hi guys would it be worth getting wukong in the lab shop to make a better team and 5 stack lightbringer? Still new leveling heroes to 80

still oar
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No. Better invest in primary faction such as shemira and nemora

split peak
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Its hard to know a concrete direction to work towards so early in the game

pale kettle
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I'd say invest your lab coins on Shem instead, till she's at least on Mythic tier. Celestial and Hypogean heroes are harder to build.

You seem to have a great team already, and you made the right choice on making Mirael your carry for the timebeing @slim comet

plucky summit
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Hey, I just picked up Shemira and Tasi and I was wondering who to replace on my current team or any other advice would be helpful. Thank you. CT: Brutus, Lucius, Wu Kong, Skriath, Rosaline

pale kettle
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If your current lineup works on your end, no need to change it. I do have some advice for you:

  • If you can't ascend heroes straight to L+, don't ascend them to L. You never know when you'll get another copy of them, and it's possible that they'll be stuck at that state through most of your progress.
  • Always manually level your highest ascension-leveled heroes, and put the rest of the heroes you still wish to use on your crystal. This is so you can maximize your heroes' capabilities. Reset Wukong and Skriath and give your resources to Arden and Mirael.

@plucky summit

dark juniper
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What’s a good team for ice shemira without ezizh?

slim comet
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@pale kettle can you elaborate on your second point? prob cuz im a noob but i dont understand the difference

pale kettle
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I don't know if the Resonating Crystal is unlocked on your end, but to simply put, it enables you to level up your other heroes and unlock/upgrade their skills without having to waste resources. The crystal relies on your top 5 heroes, and whoever in that group has the lowest level will be applied to whoever you placed on your crystal.

Let's use BrandonNT's hero pool as an example - if you have lots of resources stashed on your bag, and you decided to level up your E heroes instead of your spare E+ ones, you're wasting the opportunity to upgrade your crystal-bound heroes' abilities and their stats. @slim comet

serene basin
half silo
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Hey guys, im stuck on 7-16
Need some help with my lineup

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Current team is Wu Kong and Hogan Frontline, and Nemora, Lyca and Rosaline back

naive kite
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Try saveus as carry

pale kettle
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Athalia back saveas back wu kong up front with hogan and try tasi back to

wide dune
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Any suggestions on who to replace on my team?

pale kettle
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I'd recommend resetting your main E heroes first and transfer the resources to your E+ ones. You're wasting the opportunity to upgrade your heroes' stats and skills that they should've already acquired at levels 101 and above.

Try replacing Shem on your lineup with Fawkes and switch Wukong and Talene's positions. @wide dune

abstract coyote
brittle summit
subtle talon
pale kettle
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Thane is not a tank, he's more of a moving assassin like Silvina. Keep Brutus on your comp for now @subtle talon

subtle talon
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@pale kettle y, next time I’ll read the skills first, ty^^

mortal flax
pale kettle
violet jasper
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@mortal flax I’m stuck on 15-40 right now and the main thing i notice on your team is that you don’t really have a main carry. I was only able to beat that stage after retrying 20 times and my shemira finally living through it

lament sparrow
woven lichen
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@lament sparrow try saveas Mirael Hogan thane and Nemora/shemira

lament sparrow
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Ty

polar current
pastel plume
polar current
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F340 on kings tower

inland kite
empty pulsar
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@violet jasper I'd remove nara and talene, take rosa and fawkes or rosa belinda. Put Rowan in middle

slim harness
violet jasper
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@slim harness because that’s an event not a stage. You finished the event

slim harness
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Yep. But how i can get next stage? @violet jasper

violet jasper
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There isn’t a next stage we just wait for the event to be over and then after that a new one comes along every like month @slim harness

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I think we have like 9 or 10 days for this one to finish and after that, it’ll take like a week for a new one to come out

slim harness
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@violet jasperNo. U understand me not correctly) i mean why i can't go next lvl at wonderful journey.

violet jasper
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Yes I understand, I am saying that there is not a next level. It’s just one stage, it opens and it closes. You’ve finished that stage for now, you have to wait.

slim harness
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Im cant choose noone stage( @violet jasper

pale kettle
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because that's the only level. that's the whole event. @slim harness

slim harness
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Im understoot,that event not a stage) But i cant understand why i cant choose next stage (

pale kettle
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Oh, you meant campaign?

slim harness
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@pale kettleyep

pale kettle
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are you finished with your current chapter?

violet jasper
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What chapter are you on? Those levels near the wonders are still dark

slim harness
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@pale kettleaaah,lol. I must finished chapter and then i could start new stage?)

lilac nebula
slim harness
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Im now at 12-30... Im dumb noob) thanks man)

pale kettle
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just a thought, but can you try charming enemy arden by putting your nemora across him? @lilac nebula

split peak
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@lilac nebula so u decided to kick the best cambo u have lucius and belinda but u have brutus and nemora ?

fickle notch
marble hawk
lilac nebula
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@split peak someone mentioned I should over level shemira to get thru earlier stages. I definitely lack confidence when to swap comps. I can switch back and my belinda is +16 si, what comp would I run with lucius and belinda?

split peak
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Shem is good but she gets less and less impressive though u can pair her with lucius and belinda best of both worlds

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Btw when ppl say overlvled they mean 240 not 200 she is weak at 200

lilac nebula
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Oh that makes sense haha, sorry about that. So what comp should I be looking to run, I do enjoy belinda quite a bit, and lucius is excellent. Not sure who else to toss in there.

split peak
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Ur problem rn is lvls u are at the transition faze its gonna be slow until u have those 3 as ascended to carry ur team

lilac nebula
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Ah okay, well tyvm for the advice

analog palm
spice lotus
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My main DPS is shemira right now just started chapter 18-2

split peak
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Well ascend belinda though u gonna need lucius too for protection rowan doesnt need to he upgraded

limber slate
brittle summit
clever patio
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@lilac nebula that’s with me, in to afraid to switch up combo and I don’t know how to break the habit speechlessraine

sinful forge
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What are the 2 defacto team comps that people run for Lightbearers and Wilders? Trying to hone in on which heroes to focus on.

clever patio
pale kettle
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@clever patio go for rowan-rosa-elijah-belinda-shemira

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Nvm, it is another account that has no elijah eh?

atomic forge
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that way i got 5 lightbearers buff
should i?

pale kettle
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Sure, go ahead. You should at least spend your resources on your highest ascension-leveled heroes though, and put your E heroes on the crystal, so they can still take advantage of the upgrades past level 100 @atomic forge

atomic forge
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ow i didnt think of that

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thank you @pale kettle ^^

jovial gate
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Tips? My thane really carried before but I swapped him out for saveas... and should the formation be different? I just got the paladin too

violet jasper
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@sleek pivot I would replace hogan with rosa and Rosa or nemora for fawkes whenever required to clear a stage

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@jovial gate it’s too early to call anything but if that was my new account I would be looking to replace thoran with hogan or estralda and look for a nemora or saveas replacement, preferably a lightbearer like belinda or something

jovial gate
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@violet jasper yeah but with my current limited roster I’d like to know what will do better in campaign and tower to keep advancing

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This is my first and only account just a few days old

mild trail
drifting root
clever patio
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@drifting root taking that eirron to ascended will help once I have the fodders

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And I’d put him in place of Nemora and switch her with tasi so ur eirron gets rid of that saveas ASAP

pale kettle
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Try putting Nemora across enemy Saveas and see if she can charm him, see if there's any impact on the fight. If it doesn't work, start putting LB heroes like Belinda and Rosaline on your team as they have factional advantage against maulers @mild trail

glacial tartan
tribal sluice
coarse hamlet
pale kettle
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Can you try replacing Nemora with Khasos or Skriath? Or even Antandra?

If it still doesn't work, imo you could go afk and level everyone up to 100 first, start overleveling Belinda, and give the stage a try again @tribal sluice

lilac kite
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Personally faction emblems are the most worth it in this event regardless.

coarse hamlet
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Should i put shemira on hold for now?

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I can definitely make gwyneth ascended. I just need 70 more legendary heroes lol

pale kettle
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If you're in need of fodder, you could buy the scrolls instead

coarse hamlet
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Isnt it too rng tho? I need lightbearers afterall

lilac kite
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You should fix your heros levels a little, personally, hit break points for skills, lvl 121, 141, 161, 181, and your main dmg dealer can be 20 points above. Example, all your heros to lvl 141, shimira 161

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@coarse hamlet what current team are you using

coarse hamlet
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Gwyn, lucius, shem, rowan, lyca

lilac kite
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Personally, I would use lucius, Rowan, rosaline, shemira, Belinda. But you invested in gwyn. So use her over Belinda. Rosaline can get shemiras aoe off twice so quick. Everything thing dies

tribal sluice
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@pale kettle ok thanks

coarse hamlet
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On pvp?

lilac kite
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Shemira is the best hero for your first account. And will take you to chapter 20+ easily and faster than other heros

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Plus, you will pull shemira, buy from store, and get from the event all the time. She will be 5 star quickly.

coarse hamlet
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should i get shemira then spend the extras on emblems or shards or scrolls?

lilac kite
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Better to buy from the store, rather than events. And shemira only needs a lvl 10 signature. Other than that invest in rowans signature

coarse hamlet
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I dont have rowan copies tho

lilac kite
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Just leave him as is

coarse hamlet
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I wanted to give the emblems on gwyn, but i guess her sig isnt that strong?

lilac kite
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You dont have enough emblems, unless you're buying

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Hers is good but not the best

coarse hamlet
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So buy emblems but save em until rowan becomes mythic?

odd python
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@tribal sluice if you overlevel belinda you’ll still need a set of support heroes who can buy her time to ult multiple times or group up the enemies so she can kill all of them with aoe, id recommend putting heroes like tasi and nara into the crystal for that reason

naive kite
outer mulch
iron meadow
naive kite
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@iron meadow no

haughty plinth
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Tips ?

limpid quail
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@naive kite use multiple dps and buffer to get more damage in the time your dps still lives

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@outer mulch wukong, hogan, tasi, belinda, nemora will make a good team, can also swap tasi for arden when you build him up which i highly recommend to do

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@haughty plinth overlelvel belinda as high as you can, use arden instead of shemira and put him middle back

mortal flax
pale kettle
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use shemira instead of the mage on top

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maybe that may help

golden crown
pale kettle
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so many possibilities with your hero pool...can I borrow your account? lol

Since you have Belinda on the lead ascension-wise, you may use her as your main carry. Prioritize on overleveling her first before anyone else, and even pair her with Rosaline for maximum destruction. Try to keep Bel 10-20 levels above the rest of your team.

Here are some comps to help complete your team:
• Rigby, Estrilda, any CC or support hero
• Golus, Skriath, Antandra
• Izold, Shemira/Grezhul, Kelthur

@golden crown

golden crown
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Many tks for the help. Gonna try it out 😀

stone bluff
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someone can help me ?

pale kettle
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You could state your problem right away. Any user here who's capable of dealing with your problem would reply to you @stone bluff

stone bluff
rain oriole
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Is your Lucius able to survive against Isa and shemiras soul sihpon? You might have to use Brutus there instead. You could try
Fawkes/Talene
Brutus/Lucius
Rowan
Shemira
Arden
Make sure enemy Arden gets rooted at the start
@stone bluff

pale kettle
rain oriole
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@pale kettle reset Khazard so you can get more levels on your Shemira/Lucius
Try
Tasi/Nemora
Brutus/Lucius
Rowan
Shemira
Tasi/Rosaline

pale kettle
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alright will do thank you

hardy crow
glass wigeon
pallid pecan
tiny spoke
fading jolt
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Current main team for PvE:

Front - Lucious and Rowan
Back - Belinda, Rosaline, and Fawkes

Stuck on 11-22 right now. Going to level up Shemira to 130 to bump up Rowan, Rosaline, and Fawkes who are in the resonating crystal.

Kinda of wanting to try a different team though.

pale kettle
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@rain oriole i tried it a few times but i don’t do any damage :<

lone terrace
calm salmon
iron wing
lofty depot
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@iron wing make Niru or Vedan L+ and use as fodder

iron wing
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Thx @lofty depot

calm salmon
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tbh athia is so op... her ult do infinite amount of damagelucyaaas

umbral creek
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Pissing me off, any ideas? (brutus L and belinda L+ arent mine)

lofty depot
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@umbral creek what other heroes do you have? Do you have Saveas?

umbral creek
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yeah

lofty depot
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Eironn
Lucius/Hogan
Nemora
Brutus/Lucius
Mehira/Tasi

Make sure Nemora charms Arden. Also you should stop making more L heroes

calm salmon
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maybe i will ask later

lofty depot
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Use Saveas instead of Eironn then. Saveas should be your carry until Shem is level 161 @umbral creek

umbral creek
lofty depot
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It's the same picture

umbral creek
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Others are either Elite or Rare+ or Rare (and shemira is below but not using it)

lofty depot
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What tier is Saveas

umbral creek
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elite?

lofty depot
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Use him as DPS

umbral creek
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Demonstrate

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pls ❤️

lofty depot
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Literally the same lineup as I posted above but Saveas instead of Eironn

umbral creek
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oh ok i will try thanks so much ❤️

lofty depot
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You should focus on getting him to L+ until Shem is M

umbral creek
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lost but ill try again later

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thanks though, i appreciate your help ❤️

rough goblet
lofty depot
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@umbral creek Get Saveas higher and you'll pass

umbral creek
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Ok

obtuse torrent
pale kettle
golden crown
sacred spear
upper flint
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@sacred spear I would say:
Nemora
Brutus
Lyca
Shemira
Tasi

sacred spear
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@upper flint I already tried it. But die badly nervkhasos

nova torrent
warm ocean
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i'm stuck can someone help me?

golden crown
nova torrent
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you already send this twice over 2 minutes lol

lone terrace
winter meteor
pale kettle
warm ocean
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i think the best you can do is lucius izold

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and use shemira rosaline belinda behind @pale kettle

pale kettle
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K thxs

warm ocean
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@nimble cape try on the front lucius and beden and behind belida nemora shemira

hazy comet
warm ocean
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@hazy comet show compo

hazy comet
warm ocean
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the eagle instand of wukong and saveas instand of nemora

hazy comet
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No faction bonus then but can try

warm ocean
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allready faction bonus @hazy comet you will get a 3-2 faction bonus

hazy comet
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Oh yeah but my nemore 😂

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Will give a go now

keen bone
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Help pls! This is the 3-4th week I'm stuck at 25-32, no mercenary is able to help and I'm losing hope lol. I went from 271 to 275 during the 3 weeks but still no luck.

nimble cape
sharp ocean
winter matrix
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Fawkes
Lucius
Rowan
Shemira
Belinda

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Tasi
Lyca
Rowan
Shemira
Nemora

Retry until Nemora charms Arden
@nimble cape

nimble cape
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Thanks @cwonk I've actually been trying that first one to no avail so I'll give that 2nd one a run. Appreciate it :)

winter matrix
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@nimble cape The first one is for another person lol

nimble cape
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Ohh my bad lol.
Took a few attempts but I got it done.
Thank you @cwonk 💗

stable cedar
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And my hero list

forest flume
steel patrol
winter matrix
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Nemora
Lyca
Rowan
Shemira
Tasi

Reset until Nemora charms Arden @steel patrol

teal glade
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@stable cedar could try lucius, Luca, shemira, nora, tasi. With faction gear lyca should be able to dodge tank. If not you may have to stick with brutus and maybe try swapping lucius for shem and running tasi lyca nemora backline. Whether shemira goes top or bottom back depends on if lucius is being an issue with shields or if athalia can rush you with her ult.

Another consideration would be to run ezizh in the back and see if he can survive to delay athalia and lucius ults

stable cedar
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Ooh tyty

steel patrol
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@winter matrix by the time she charms Arden, most of the team are dead. The damage output against them is so brutal

winter matrix
sudden kayak
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for my power 5 should i be using heroes of different factions to make sure i can make use of all my food? i’m planning on using a full light bearer team but currently not all of them are my highest rated.

winter matrix
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Your top 5 should be the heroes that are the highest ascencion. So you can get max lvls on crystal.

sudden kayak
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okay thank you

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and may i ask if i should be stacking my gems for certain events that my come up in future or just summon every chance i have

winter matrix
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Summon all the time. Events usually have their own currency, like Bells, Candy....

sudden kayak
#

okay thanks!

golden crown
steel patrol
winter matrix
rose ember
winter matrix
rose ember
#

My team is far worse ascended think it can cut it?

winter matrix
#

Doesn't hurt to try

tardy river
rose ember
#

@winter matrix artifacts thoran grace, chalice lucius, blade belinda, call rowan, eye fawkes?

winter matrix
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Probably

frigid flume
#

@tardy river Tasi
Kaz
Lyca
Ulmus
Nemora

pastel plume
pale kettle
winter matrix
#

Saveas
Hendrik
Safiya
Orthros
Numisu

pale kettle
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Ok ty

rose ember
#

Lucius can't tank athalia. Either u use Brutus or a high dodge tank.

I'd also put rowan in the middle.

Something like:
Rosa
Shem
Rowan
Brutus
Ferael
@pastel plume

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@winter matrix tried ur team ascension and level difference is too great it doesn't even get close to a setup :(
Any1 else a working formation w/o ferael for 25-56?

final star
thin fable
hushed lance
#

25-10 all the help needed. The burst dmg is unreal :).

pastel plume
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@rose ember thank you , took some tries but worked out in the end

rose ember
#

you're welcome

topaz eagle
fading jasper
#

@topaz eagle
Nemora
Tasi
Athalia/nara
Lyca
Ferael

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@topaz eagle yo actually have many good heroes to try things out.
Nemora tasi lyca ferael mehira Brutus for most stages should be good, easy to test till you figure out what you need to pass. Or full lb

warm ocean
#

i stuck can someone help me pls?

empty pulsar
#

Try shem lucius/brutus front, nemora Lyca rosa/fawkes back

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Or shem lucius, rosa nem fawkes, etc.. @warm ocean

warm roost
hardy crow
#

@warm roost have you replaced ferael with belinda? that probably would help. Otherwise, I don’t really know

warm ocean
#

@empty pulsar that don't even work

warm roost
#

@hardy crow don't work need some more cc for saveas and shem

empty pulsar
#

@warm roost have you tried fawkes > ferael? Possibly Belinda > shem for more up front damage. Who is dying first?

lament sparrow
#

Should I put my khazard in my team to replace one of the heroes in the first row?

empty pulsar
shell hamlet
#

22-42? I got 2 spots on the crystal as well, i just cannot seem to get it man I’ve done probably 300 resets on advised lineups and it just seems like I’m doing something wrong maybe someone can see a lineup working better with my heroes or something i hate this fucking level

unreal cobalt
supple condor
turbid topaz
violet igloo
#

@turbid topaz you have nice heroes so far. You can play :

Rowan
Lucius
Mirael
Hogan
Lyca/Tasi/Rosaline

make sure to put Mirael lvl 100 and other heroes level 70. Mirael is your DPS carry

turbid topaz
#

yeah i have a good start

violet igloo
#

once you get Saveas to Legendary, you can play him as your DPS carry and swap out Mirael for Saveas. Make sure to always have your DPS overleveled compared to other heroes, like +30 levels

turbid topaz
#

hm ok i see

violet igloo
#

and keep buying Shemira in lab shop, she can also be played as DPS carry if you don't pull any Saveas (you should pull copies of him though since he is a blue rare hero)

scenic frost
violet igloo
#

@scenic frost if you get the right relics yes it's not impossible (epsecially icebringer / firebringer)

unreal cobalt
#

what about me paddy, any idea?

violet igloo
#

@unreal cobalt can you post all your heroes screenshot ?

violet igloo
#

@unreal cobalt ok, in that case you can try :

Belinda
Shemira
Rowan
Lucius
Baden

and obviously make sure to put the best equipment on your heroes.

#

see if that works. Can I see your lab relics you picked up along the way ?

unreal cobalt
#

baden died qq 1 sec didnt have much luck with relic draws this time

worn socket
#

@unreal cobalt look up the most useful relics too!! Shemira relics can literally make her unkillabe

violet igloo
#

Shemira relic where she can shoot 3 beams is not that good, there is much better.

@unreal cobalt well you have neither icebringer / firebringer which makes this fight a bit tricky sometimes

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Do you have dura's tears ? you probably gonna have to use one

unreal cobalt
#

on baden or estrilda what do you think? i got him 1/3 low but everyone dies

violet igloo
#

when you use dura tears it works on all your heroes at once

unreal cobalt
#

ah ok, thanks

violet igloo
#

I have like 80 duras tears sitting in my inventory doing nothing so don't hesitate to use them, especially before wrizz fights

unreal cobalt
#

i really had average relic drops this time around, i follow the best pick list to always pick what i need but yeah, ill give it another try now

violet igloo
#

if not work with Baden, try with Raine.

unreal cobalt
#

baden dies from first carpet bomb, so does lucius shortly after, hes half then, gets to around 10% when he kills shemira and then i reset because only belinda is alive and maybe rowan :x

violet igloo
#

elethathink and you have used a dura's tear ?

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if it doesn't work with baden try with Raine.

unreal cobalt
#

she's not in crystal Q_Q

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oh wait theres still time to change, ill do that

violet igloo
#

ye of course, you have plenty of time

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however she won't have ultimate since dura tears doesn't work on level 1 heroes gwynhands

unreal cobalt
#

meh, if it doesnt work oh well, ill just finish off the stage and hope for better relics next time

wise hornet
crimson swan
#

try belinda lucius rosaline fawkes estrilda and swap one of the purple with wukong as an alternative?

violet igloo
#

@unreal cobalt did it work?

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You can try to time Lucius ult ' manually before Wrizz ults

lament wigeon
#

Also mercs on CD otherwise I'd use the shem

golden crown
unreal cobalt
#

@violet igloo it did, but i lost luc and baden :d lets see if i can finish without them now haha

crimson swan
#

lucius, belinda, rosaline, ferael, shemira, rowan are my roster. based on just the roster, which 5 should i use generally?

unreal cobalt
#

grezhul absolutley wrecking me but ill try tomorrow, i can kill all but him, maybe sacrifice party to that and try to finish him with team b, we'll see tomorrow 😄

violet igloo
#

@crimson swan what hero level are you?

@unreal cobalt well tbh finishing Wrizz is as important if not more important than clearing the final lab level

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@unreal cobalt you can just use another Dura's tears if you're stuck :)

unreal cobalt
#

true, ive been keen on hoarding them, only got 21 so far 🙂

azure yarrow
#

Ho should I use my faction scrolls on ?

ornate acorn
crimson swan
#

@violet igloo sorry for the late response, im talking for 240+

green saddle
empty pulsar
green saddle
empty pulsar
#

@green saddle try rosa and Rowan instead of talene and estrilda

green saddle
#

There is a Silvina that kills Rowan. But it’s almost working

empty pulsar
#

Adjust his def with a different artifact, also I would reset everyone to 121 and pump exp into Belinda and use her > saveas @green saddle

deep fjord
lament sparrow
#

Any tips to beat 5-20 with my team?
(5-20 team)
Ankihra
Bloodsnarl
Arkadios
Brutus
Saveas

deep fjord
#

What should I do with the fragments

junior dove
#

Use them

empty pulsar
green saddle
deep fjord
#

@empty pulsar ok

empty pulsar
#

@green saddle I used Belinda lucius Rowan fawkes rosa to clear all of 11 around your level of heroes.

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@green saddle rosa kinda wastes her ult on saveas

green saddle
#

Why waste Ult at Saveas?

wise hornet
#

@crimson swan that's actually exactly what I'm using (wukong not estrilda) and it's not working sadly :(

empty pulsar
#

@green saddle rosa refills energy to full, saveas doesn't benefit as much from it as Belinda does just due to their differences in ults.

wise hornet
#

@green saddle because his ult is a status buff that lasts a period of time so him being able to back to back cast it isn't overly beneficial

green saddle
#

So reset him,put everything at 121 and Belinda as much as possible?

junior dove
#

Ye try it

oak wadi
sharp basin
pale kettle
#

tbh at your current state, any hero should work. a few hours of afk-ing would also work if you're stuck. If that comp works for you, then stick to it for the time being @oak wadi

clever patio
#

Need a burning brute comp. I have an ascended Baden as Merc, just need the other parts

indigo crypt
#

anyone got tips on passing 21-56?

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Current lineup^

hardy crow
clever patio
rain oriole
#

@sharp basin you could reset Belinda to 200 and get your Shem to 240

hardy crow
#

ok

rain oriole
#

@clever patio if you use that Baden Merc then
Baden Rowan Rosaline Twins Belinda/eironn

clever patio
#

Can’t use mercenaries for some reason in the battle

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It doesn’t let me idk why

rain oriole
#

Nbm I was thinking of twisted realm, try Belinda instead of Baden and use Nara to pull him closer, use Belinda frontline

clever patio
#

Nara doesn’t pull no more.

inland kite
clever patio
#

They fixed Nara, she no longer will pull the brute

empty pulsar
#

@green saddle you got it. Keep your dps 20-40lvls over your tank. Carry>tank>support

rain oriole
#

@clever patio then try
Belinda Rowan Rosa Twins Lorsan, I manage to get 100 with that comp

clever patio
#

What artifacts on who and who’s front?

rain oriole
#

Set up like
Twins
Belinda
Rowan
Lorsan
Rosa
Twins eye, Belinda blade, Rowan drape, Rosa call, Lorsan gracr

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@inland kite Shemira Belinda Rowan Rosa and try Merc twins
Use manual and only ult with twins Rowan and Belinda, Belinda should die at 15 seconds in and then you can auto

inland kite
#

I cant merc twins unless someone has one now, noone has one on my list.

lament sparrow
hardy crow
#

@rain oriole it is almost working, what artifacts should i put on which people. that might help.

cedar harbor
rain oriole
#

@hardy crow blade Shemira, call/chalice Lucius depending on if he can survive/ult, Arden eye, Rowan call/drape, Brutus drape/grace

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@cedar harbor reset everyone except wukong, then level up Belinda Morvus Hogan Ira, this is so you can get past level 100, put Tasi Rowan Estrilda and any other hero you want to use in your resonating crystal

cedar harbor
#

yeah but im talking about formation and stuff. who should i put where

rain oriole
#

@cedar harbor try
Tasi
Wukong
Rowan
Ulmus/Estrilda
Belinda/Lyca

brittle summit
uncut summit
golden folio
sleek pivot
pale kettle
#

I'd say Fawkes, you have plenty of dps on your lineup already

#

also you should replace that nemora with another lb or gb, otherwise you won't have faction bonus

sleek pivot
#

Gotcha, I dont have any other healers to replace her tho

pale kettle
#

you don't have rowan or rosaline?

sleek pivot
#

I dont

pale kettle
#

can I see your hero pool?

sleek pivot
#

Is rosaline the one with the bow or the maid?

pale kettle
#

the maid

sleek pivot
#

ohhh, then yeah I have her

pale kettle
#

perfect, replace nemora with rosaline

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switch belinda and rosaline's positions @uncut summit

empty pulsar
#

@golden folio take out lucius to start with, Rowan should be enough healing. Try estrilda instead, and replace rosa with any %hp based dps.

devout berry
small acorn
#

@devout berry grats

stuck siren
low sable
#

Hard stuck at 8-12. Should I focus on maxing Lucius or getting the rest of my E+ to level 101? I know I will have to reset Tasi to do it.

#

Another option is to wait for Mauler fodder to get my Saveas to L+

exotic oar
#

@low sable try

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tasi>>lyca>>arden>>lucius>saveas

obtuse bramble
#

Do yall have any suggests on what i should use for my line up?

final meteor
low sable
#

@exotic oar Ha! It worked! Thanks man!

graceful hearth
#

Dear lord, I thought I was safe from the tree this chapter... do I have a chance? I have E+ Arden but no invigoration. Not enough dust to push Tasi or Nem over 220 or 200 rn

arctic oasis
#

Deleting my old one since RNG lucked me out on that, but what's the best sort of lineup to put against an annoying Vedan?

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Should I just swap between a damage(Rosaline support) comp to a stall comp (replace Rosaline with Nemora healer)?

graceful hearth
#

Vedan’s annoying. Usually I would have a team with high enough DPS to kill him before he turns to his bats, or a team with CC that can stall him long enough for him to die should work, but take my words with a grain of salt

final meteor
#

@graceful hearth that comp doesn’t work ? It looks good

graceful hearth
#

Nope. I get my ass kicked

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I’ve always had a hard time with wilder teams like this, smh

abstract shuttle
final meteor
#

@graceful hearth try switching Brutus and Lyca to get nemora charm on arden

graceful hearth
#

That does even less

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Even with a merc’d Lyca

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Nemora just doesn’t out speed the Arden and Cant get a charm off

final meteor
#

oh right, just saw they have a lyca too

graceful hearth
#

It’s really bloody frustrating. Lyca does better across from Kaz but even then my tail gets handed to me

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If anyone dies it’s usually Kaz, which doesn’t help my case at all

final meteor
#

try
arden
shemira
lyca
brutus
nemora

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maybe tasi instead of nemora if it doesnt work

graceful hearth
#

THANK GOD THAT DID IT

#

Thank you! Finally got a decent shot of RNG!

slim comet
#

Would it be worth swapping saveas for rowan and brutus for estrilda or hogan the frontline and getting 5 lightbringer

final meteor
#

did you tasi or nemora

graceful hearth
#

Nemora

naive kite
final meteor
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@slim comet maybe, if you get belindas to replace mirael soon

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@naive kite try
rosaline
saveas
rowan
lucius
belinda

graceful hearth
naive kite
#

Saveus dies instantly lol @final meteor

final meteor
#

the enemy saveas hits your saveas first?

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@graceful hearth
tasi
shemira
lyca
brutus
nemora

naive kite
#

I'm trying arden atm trying to get lucky roots

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Then gona try nemora

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Just got it, arden rooted brutus and bottom dude, then brutus and saveus

graceful hearth
#

God, either my RNG is horrid or this game hates me. Still getting my butt whooped

final meteor
#

@graceful hearth try arden instead of nemora?

winter matrix
#

@graceful hearth

Ezizh
Brutus
Mehira
Shemira
Tasi

sharp plank
#

Any tips?

final meteor
#

@sharp plank put a nemora in middle to charm ferael

sharp plank
#

Omg it worked for try. Thank you so much

dusty minnow
#

Do you guys have any advice on who to ascend here? I was thinking Arden but heard eiron was good also

cloud fossil
#

Eironn....Arden can't get past lvl 160

still ivy
last wharf
crimson swan
#

both

#

you have no faction buff nor the character comp that makes up for it. all of those characters have decent survivability but not much of dmg

dusty minnow
#

@cloud fossil who should I keep

crimson swan
#

i can help

#

typically, you never want to use ascended tier as a fodder, rest are ok

dusty minnow
#

Wondering if I should who I should I ascend and who should I keep

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Sorry who I should ascend and who I should keep lol

crimson swan
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well for keeping, keep all the ascended tiers, for ascending, ill take a look at your roster

dusty minnow
crimson swan
#

you probably want shem for carry so shes gonna be your number 1 priority

dusty minnow
#

I'm just wondering about the 4 wilder's

crimson swan
#

rowan is also very good. not only is he top tier character, he is also very versatile in compositions due to healing and energy buff

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if you are talking about the 4 purple ones then eironn

dusty minnow
#

@crimson swan ok who do I keep though

crimson swan
#

always keep ascended tiers, so eironn and the tree

dusty minnow
#

Ok

eternal yarrow
crimson swan
#

you can spend the other 2 as fodder unless you want to use arden for the cc until lvl140 or 160, hes quite useful til then. he can also be used as a yellow fodder later on so you arent wasting anything

dusty dock
odd python
#

@eternal yarrow depends on what everyone in your ladder is using, could put stuff like eironn tasi athalia lucius rowan in some way to punish people who dont consider their hero placement too carefully, nara ferael if youre opting towards gb

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athalia alone will probably negate like 90% of shem users around your level

eternal yarrow
#

Ill give the first one a try. Ive been trying Eironn, Athalia, and Ferael and it is not working at all.

odd python
#

lyca is an option too at +20 for the buff to the phys attackers

eternal yarrow
sharp ocean
#

18-40 is kicking my tuckus. Can I get some suggestions on a team? They all keep dying in a second... What frustrates me is I had absolutely no problems until now.

odd python
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@eternal yarrow i reckon if you use grez you wanna go with more gb to take advantage of the magic resist but that only goes so far, you might do better just swapping grez for rowan and putting lyca up the front to dodge

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also you would know better than i do how/where to use eironn would defs consider him in the lineup especially if you have the 30 sig already

cloud fossil
#

I'm groot

eternal yarrow
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I got Eironn to 30 yesterday. Havent had much experience with it. Trying to find a good setup with Eironn and Ferael. Your point about what im facing was something i hadnt thought about. Basically Lucious and Nemora. So lots of shields and healing which Eironn and Ferael are great against

odd python
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nara worth considering too, energy loss + cc

eternal yarrow
#

I think im gonna keep it at Grezhul, Eironn, Ferael, Lyca, Tasi and see how it goes for the next day or so. Thanks for the advice

sharp basin
#

Needed a few retries and I got. Now I can finally get some better equipment

final meteor
abstract mountain
#

Any chance?

silver forum
#

Anyone please?

opal gulch
#

@silver forum pull Arden instead of safiya

silver forum
#

@opal gulch will grezhul merc help?

mortal flax
fading jasper
#

@mortal flax lab shop? Nemora

mortal flax
#

More like how do I build a team around her with what I have?

forest carbon
#

Brutus Shem tasi lyca nem

fading jasper
#

@mortal flax lyca Nemora tasi shem brutus

mortal flax
#

So I don't use my lb at all? Okay

forest carbon
#

Shem luci Rosa Rowan fawkes also works

mortal flax
#

Okay cool so I got 2 setups which I have imho a good foundation

dawn edge
#

Anything I can do here tried a few things with what I have and no luck, dam athaliatoo much. Maybe a Merc or something of a hero any help would be welcomed

#

23-34

rare karma
keen bison
#

Try Shem Brutus fawkes Rosa and athalia. I cleared 21-5 to 21-50 using those five almost exclusively

#

Though I have a stronger Shem...

outer mulch
#

Whats the best way 2 build him?

golden crown
rare karma
vast bobcat
#

Need help....22-44...is there any chance with my heroes? Athalia is destroying everything.

onyx basin
ancient hound
#

Hmm you lack Rowan & Ferael which makes it hard(er). I would use Rosa to stop Athalia first move (mid back) and Nemora to charm Arden (top back)

dusty dock
forest carbon
#

Just keep levelling the Shem and try tasi and Arden instead of Lu ius and rowan

dusty dock
#

@forest carbon okay, should I keep everyone else at 141?

forest carbon
#

Yep just get the Shem to 180 first before levelling anyone else. I'd also consider putting Fawkes in the crystal and use Shem luci Rowan Rosa Fawkes

dusty dock
#

@forest carbon will do! Is Fawkes being only E okay with it?

forest carbon
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Yea it's fine

dusty dock
#

Okay thank you!

forest carbon
#

You should be able to get to ch16 with Shem 180

dusty dock
#

@forest carbon OMG I used your lineup and upgraded Shem to 173 and it worked flawlessly

forest carbon
#

Which line up. 👍

dusty dock
#

@forest carbon Shem Luci Rowan Rosa Fawkes

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Guess what, I just got Rosa and Fawkes to E+ from the diamonds of clearing ch 13

forest carbon
#

That should last a while

rough goblet
foggy pine
coarse hamlet
#

Is it worth making gwyneth mythic or should i make lucius and rowan legend so that gwyn can continue to lvl up? She cant lvl up cuz all penta heroes need to be lvl 140 atm

rain oriole
#

@coarse hamlet get some fodder heroes to L/L+ and level them up instead so that you can progress Gwyn further, you don't want to waste LB fodder making heroes L for them to just be stuck there, try and focus one hero at a time from each faction. Focus on getting 3 fodder heroes L+ so you can get your crystal to 160

foggy pine
coarse hamlet
#

Alrighty, thanks

rain oriole
#

Quite a blurry picture, can you send a picture of all your heroes? @foggy pine

foggy pine
#

ok wait

#

Do i change Shemira to the front instead of Lucius or change something else?

rain oriole
#

@foggy pine she can be frontline if you support her with a good team but I think at that point Saveas will work better for you. I can suggest you two teams if you wanna use either Shemira or Saveas

Arden
Saveas
Rowan
Lucius/Brutus
Tasi

Or

Arden
Shemira
Rowan
Brutus/Lucius
Rosaline

You will have to have either Shemira or Saveas at 160, and you can take one of your Tasi's out of your crystal.

lunar monolith
#

anyone an idea for this stage? just need 2 more stages to get my brutus to myth. Tried so many things so far but without success. I simply die too fast. Any suggestions highly appreciated. Thanks for your help 🙂

foggy pine
#

@rain oriole thanks for your help ill use the shemira team

rain oriole
#

@lunar monolith try
Fawkes
Shemira
Rowan
Brutus
Rosa/Nemora
You can try to charm saveas with your Nemora and see if he takes out his own team, if Fawkes doesn't survive Khasos axe throw you can try Lucius behind Shemira if he is able to get shield off

lunar monolith
#

will try, thank you @rain oriole

deft atlas
main grove
#

anyone know a good setup for 25-48 ?

odd python
#

what are your heroes?

pale kettle
#

Need some help for PVE. What shall I focus on?

junior dove
#

@pale kettle reset wukong, tidus, ogi, silvina and level belinda to 140 for now... Then wait for better heroes to ask again. You want to have the top 5 leg+, so the leg+ tier heroes are a good option till you can't upgrade the ascended tier heroes past leg+ (means dont leg heroes that are ascended tier if they wont be reaching leg+ right of the bat and only focus on 5 till you are in end midgame/lategame since it is the avg time you'll be at lvl 240 playing soft)

winter meteor
#

Also to add that Brutus is L+ now too but goes immune in 3 seconds.

#

Uhh... that screenshot is wrong.. sorry...

astral depot
odd python
#

@astral depot try
tasi
lyca
ferael
shem
nemora

astral depot
#

Will give it a few hundred tries, thanks.

odd python
#

just reset for a ferael charm and go from there

astral depot
#

5th time, beat it.

odd python
#

yeah haha gratz

astral depot
#

Thanks alot! 🙂

odd python
#

last 2 of ch25 shouldnt be too bad imo, gl

rough goblet
junior dove
#

@rough goblet by overleveling only the hero that does the most damage for you, and if it doesn't work try afking and level up even more

winter meteor
#

Why I'm being ignored aaaaa ;_;

odd python
#

@winter meteor swap nemora and arden, nemora’s job is always to charm the enemy arden so he roots his own team

stone tangle
pale kettle
winter meteor
#

@odd python managed that one, now I'm in last part of chapter and it's even harder lmao

scenic frost
simple pumice
winter matrix
#

Belinda
Brutus
Rowan
Lucius
Saveas

I suggest you stop making L heroes, you're wasting tons of fodder

shy mesa
#

@simple pumice you've no CC, consider dropping someone for Tasi or arden

simple pumice
#

What are heroes?

winter matrix
#

Legendary heroes

still ivy
simple pumice
#

Lol why stop making them?

calm pulsar
#

@pale kettle I would say faction scrolls for LB, lab store nemora, event tokens for Brutus (rest regular scrolls)

winter matrix
#

You are using a lot of fodder. You will then lack fodder for the heroes you can make L+ and higher @simple pumice

shy mesa
#

@simple pumice because each L hero takes 2 E+ heroes that you could use to make mythic/mythic+ later

And if you don't have the copies to make them L+ they are just gonna sit forever

pale kettle
#

@calm pulsar Thanks!

simple pumice
#

Ooh

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I only use legendary tier to get them up

shy mesa
#

Doesn't matter because it takes 4E+ heroes for one mythic, 4 more for mythic+ that's 4 L heroes worth of fodder

winter matrix
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Good. Only use fodder to ascend, but stop making them L

simple pumice
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I try my best

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So first make them elite + all?

winter matrix
#

Recommended to have everyone at E+ until you can L+ them

shy mesa
#

@simple pumice No, just wait until you at least 2 E+ copies of a hero before making then L

simple pumice
#

👍 👍

frozen wave
#

any advice on what to do/who to progress first/next etc? any help is MUCH appreciated!! running gorvo, sav, tasi, nemora and safiys with 3/2 aura atm

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should i revert everyone to get shem to 161, then build up again? or wait until sav 160/ everyone else 140 then swap things around?

empty pulsar
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@frozen wave nemora, tasi, eironn, but dont know whom else you have

frozen wave
winter matrix
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I also suggest you stop making heroes L. You should focus on Shemira until she is 161+. You can stick with Belinda for now. Pair her up with Rosaline and Lucius and you could do

Belinda
Lucius
Rowan
Thane/Brutus
Rosaline

frozen wave
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when/how do i go about swapping saveas carry fro shemira? and who do i break aura for her with?

empty pulsar
#

You can run lucius shem nemora tasi eironn

winter matrix
#

You replace Shemira for Saveas when she gets 161+

frozen wave
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hmm ok, he loses his carry once shes 161 over safiya etc?

empty pulsar
#

Assuming your shem is L+. I run lucius Belinda rosa Rowan fawkes myself.

frozen wave
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shema is still just L :/

winter matrix
#

Continue buying her from lab store until you can get her to A

frozen wave
#

no fawkes or rowan here still :/ sometimes use Arden over Nemora, but generally dont

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ok roger that. where im at now, should i keep sav at 160 until everyone else is 140 then revert sav for shemira at 161? or do it now and lower everyone elses lvl a bit?

shy mesa
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That's the easiest route they are giving you, Eironn if the game gives a lot of them to you is better than Shemira imo anyhow

frozen wave
#

heard sav is still viable with shemira at 161 but idk, nub still 😄

simple pumice
#

Is shemira that OP

shy mesa
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Basically Savaes is level capped at 160, so he falls off

frozen wave
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kk, started with eironn until someone told me about the saveas carry, finally getting close to the 161 mark and knew id need yall's help lol

winter matrix
#

Shemira is that OP

simple pumice
#

Alraight i will focus er

shy mesa
#

@simple pumice it'll feel like she is

winter matrix
#

Shush kaz maingunsolise

empty pulsar
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@frozen wave I would use lucius Belinda rosa nemora tasi personally with your selection.

simple pumice
#

Rowan also OP

frozen wave
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so would it be unwise to revert everyone, build shem to 161 (when shes L+, dont think i can yet if shes just L), then use her with the same team ive been running?

winter matrix
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Rowan is very op

simple pumice
#

Lucius is OP

shy mesa
#

@winter matrix Kaz is far more enjoyable than Shemira, almost everyone runs Shemira and I don't find any enjoyment in being like everyone else

winter matrix
#

Shemira can only get to 161+ when she's M @frozen wave

frozen wave
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@empty pulsar roger that, ill try that for sure/ he also seems great with Nemora/tasi

empty pulsar
#

@winter matrix L+ for 161+

frozen wave
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just worried about the saveas carry loss/RIP lol

winter matrix
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Ik, but people might not get 8 copies of Kaz. Shem can be bought so its meta

shy mesa
#

And Kaz can most definitely carry at the point they are in the game but I would recommend they go Shemira as well just because it's easier

winter matrix
#

L+ cap is 160whatthefawkes @frozen wave

frozen wave
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ok cool 10-4

empty pulsar
#

@frozen wave Belinda and rosa are more OP than saveas IMO.

frozen wave
#

ok cool, i always forget (still new and getting used to the ranks etc)

empty pulsar
#

@winter matrix L+ is 180...

frozen wave
#

cool so Belinda L+ is a safe bet where im at for safiya maybe?

shy mesa
#

Safiya is amazing

empty pulsar
#

Wait...my coffee... hahaha @winter matrix I'm still asleep

frozen wave
#

i agree... dont know who to drop besides gorvo and sav eventually lol

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really dig safiya tbh

wise merlin
shy mesa
#

Gorvo is great too

wise merlin
frozen wave
#

dang, im in a sticky situation i guess lol

dreamy eagle
#

Been stuck at the end of this chapter for a while

winter matrix
#

Nemora
Lucius
Lyca
Brutus
Saveas

frozen wave
#

lucius (even tho i love Gorvo's stun), is dope...

shy mesa
#

@dreamy eagle if you have some decent gear you might get value using Fawkes where Estrilda is, but I don't know you have the dodge to do that

dreamy eagle
#

@winter matrix and this is where I would put my nemora... if I had one!!!!

Lol.... 😓

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No Brutus either. Game hates me

clear spade
#

Could someone help me make a formation or plan ahead which formation I should focus on as I progress

frozen wave
#

no Brutus here still either, i feel your pain... Gorvo is fun but Brutus with keeping aura would be awesome

winter matrix
#

Belinda
Wukong
Lyca
Estrilda
Arden/Nemora @clear spade

If you get Rowan you can replace him for Arden and then it will looks like

Belinda
Wukong
Rowan
Estrilda
Lyca

frozen wave
#

after getting murked on too many Brutus', and Gorvo sometimes getting a dodge on his stun, id love a single Brutus, let alone L or L+ lol 🙂

clear spade
#

@winter matrix should I ascend arden to legendary?

winter matrix
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You can as he is a fodder and the other E+ copy will come quick

clear spade
#

I have a hero choice chest on my inventory, should I get nemora or lucius?

simple pumice
#

So how i go frem E+ to L+ like how much heros i need? @winter matrix

undone pebble
#

Did shemira mythic 141 is better in carry than Belinda 140 L?

frozen wave
#

@clear spade nemora has personally helped me more with a 3/2 wilder/mauler aura, but in general (as a nub) id say nemora over lucius for short term, id break aura for lucius in the long-run, and gorvo is fun, but lucius can help out sustain on your carry/tasi/Nemora etc to make shit pop

shell holly
gritty goblet
#

I am one Brutus away from getting him Mythic. Alternatively, I would like to get Rosa to L+. Which is the better use of my bells in this case? Fodder, or that Brutus?

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Sorry, I mean Ascended and Mythic+ respectively

frail garnet
#

Any comp ideas? Current lineup 1-5 is brutus, lyca , nemora , eironn, tasi

frozen wave
#

@clear spade i also use Gorvo as tank, since i have no Brutus (starting to test lucious with belinda L+), BUT CANT GO WRONG WITH NEMORA IF U NEED A HEALER EARLY-ON

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holy shit sorry for caps, this keyboard iss cancer

winter matrix
#

@simple pumice You need 2 E+ fodders for L and then an E+ copy of the hero you're trying to ascend to L+ for L+

earnest flume
#

Can anyone help me figure out what I need to do/wait for? I'm in 6-28 and hitting a hard wall and don't know if it's because I'm using wrong units or I don't have what I need to ascend

winter matrix
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Wait and get your top 5 to 81. Put Rowan in crystal, he's really good.

Saveas
Lucius
Rowan
Brutus
Lyca/Nemora/Arden

simple pumice
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Get them all to the same level

earnest flume
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OK thanks!

winter matrix
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Get Brutus to 81 and Saveas to 100. He is a really good carry at lvl 160

earnest flume
#

So reset my Brutus and bring up saveas?

winter matrix
#

Yes

earnest flume
#

Rly helped a lot thanksssss

split peak
#

@winter matrix did u just say saveas is a good carry at lvl 161+

winter matrix
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Holy shit I did. Sorry

split peak
#

Shit i am gonna reset my 240 two star belinda and go for saveas lol

earnest flume
#

Anyone have my tips for optimizing burning brute? Not sure how I should be constructing team. I'm fairly new

pale kettle
#

@earnest flume show your roster

sweet crane
winter matrix
earnest flume
#

@pale kettle here's my roster sry was walking home in freezing cold

pale kettle
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@winter matrix ty but everyone is a 1shot.

earnest flume
winter matrix
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Twins
Eironn
Rowan
Lucius
Tidus

mighty veldt
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@frozen wave not sure if anyone else mentioned it but you need to revert that legendary Belinda you’d be one away from A on her and you’d get that fodder back getting you to M on her

winter matrix
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Its best you use melee heroes because he has a shield, and the Twins are really good for haste

pale kettle
#

Brutus and wu kong frontline could work also. @earnest flume

earnest flume
#

Ok. So if they're all level 1 tho I can't use them right?

pale kettle
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You have to put them in crystal

earnest flume
#

Yeah but 24 hr cool down is rough. I appreciate the advice

pale kettle
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You could take out shemira and lyca. I think they aren’t that great in the beginning where you’re at

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And try to get more saveas copies (put him on wishlist) he is a great carry until 160

keen bone
#

Help pls! This is the 3-4th week I'm stuck at 25-32, no mercenary is able to help and I'm losing hope lol. I went from 271 to 275 during the 3 weeks but still no luck.

modern tapir
#

Any suggestions on what I can do to get past this stage? Lol

marble harbor
winter matrix
#

Grats on ch 23

marble harbor
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Thanks! Took me ages, I can't believe he did that right when I finally decide to ask

half silo
#

Alright, asked for help yesterday, and it really helped me.
Today had luck with the draws, so I have new heroes

winter matrix
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Make Belinda L+

half silo
#

Alright
Anything else?

winter matrix
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You can do

Nemora
Belinda
Lyca
Belinda
Tasi

If you want to go the Belinda carry route. If you're gonna go for Saveas you can do

Saveas
Hogan
Lyca
Brutus
Tasi/Athalia

Athalia is used when she has to stop CC like Coffin,Banish,Root,Charm...

If you're stuck in campaign just go afk and upgrade crystal to 100

naive kite
woven lichen
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@naive kite you can try to use a hero like grezhul to reduce magic damage or use heroes like fawkes/tasi/Arden/Nemora to crowd control the back to slow down the damage

naive kite
#

I've tried everyone except grezhul, and don't have tasi :( will give it a go though thanks

modern tapir
#

anyone mind to give me some suggestions on the one I posted earlier?

winter matrix
#

Send a pic of your heroes

leaden peak
modern tapir
winter matrix
#

Saveas
Lucius
Rowan
Brutus
Fawkes/Tasi

modern tapir
#

I don’t have a Fawkes. I’ll give it a shot with Tasi

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I’m probably just gonna have to keep leveling. Everyone but Saveas is practically getting one shorted.

lunar wolf
#

Just got him
Is he good?

winter matrix
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Yes

lunar wolf
#

Can you help me to use him in a formation

winter matrix
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Sure

winter matrix
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Focus on Saveas for now. At lvl 160 he is a beast. Buy Shemira from lab store until you can get her to A.

Saveas
Grezhul
Lyca
Khazard
Tasi

lunar wolf
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Cool thanks
But why no shemira 😅 ( i don't mind just curious)

winter matrix
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Shemira can be good before 161+ but after she gets lvl 161+ she is OP.
In early game Saveas is a better carry.
You can still use her in Lab, Arena...

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Not useless, she just can't take a lot of damage, hence she dies. When she gets to lvl 161+ she gets her tanking ability

lunar wolf
#

So early game khazard is better, mid game shemira, how about late game?

modern tapir
#

My Saveas doesn’t do jack at 160. 🙂

rustic skiff
#

Ping me if anyone replies

timber knoll
#

Hey everyone. I'm finding myself stuck at 10-21... Any help on whom to use in my lineup/work on?

shadow onyx
timber knoll
#

Ooh, can't wait to get where you are lol

lunar wolf
#

@winter matrix can i pm you?

sharp ocean
winter matrix
#

@lunar wolf sure

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@shadow onyx

Saveas
Lyca
Rowan
Lucius
Nemora

Keep trying until Nemora charms Saveas

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Tasi
Lyca
Rowan
Shemira
Rosaline/Belinda
@sharp ocean

You can also try switching Lyca for Brutus

lusty smelt
#

i need help with 22-60

uncut summit
winter matrix
#

Tasi
Lucius
Lyca
Shemira
Nemora

See if Nemora charms Arden and if that does anything @lusty smelt

lusty smelt
#

it worked, thanks @winter matrix

sharp ocean
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@winter matrix so you're saying I cant beat it until i get all of those to mythic+? Welp this is a waste of time lmao

winter matrix
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Thats not what I said. Ascencions don't matter that much in campaign. Its more avout the levels

pale kettle
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Need help for my formation please.

sharp ocean
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Because they all die instantly

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Nevermind I got beat it it! Thanks @winter matrix for making me think of my lineup more. This squad got me the win

Rowan
--Shemira
Nemora
--Antandra
Belinda

lofty depot
empty pulsar
#

Have you tried putting fawkes in to clear brutus shield?

lofty depot
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Yepp, have also tried with Rowan, Brutus and a Nemora. Not in the same lineups but I've tried A LOT of different ones

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Also tried Belinda and Rosa instead of Ferael/Shemira

odd python
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@lofty depot what other heroes do you have?

lofty depot
odd python
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@lofty depot try
nara
thoran
rowan
brutus
ferael
idk feels like you lack a lot of burst dmg that should make this stage easier unless you try with lb comp (belinda)

lofty depot
odd python
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is it doing better than previous comps at least?

lofty depot
#

Lol definitely, wasn't even close before

austere stag
#

how are these for endgame pvp "wishlist thing? I'm gonna be farming a bunch of heroes

odd python
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@lofty depot my setup was similar but used athalia and safiya instead of nara and ferael (closest substitutes i guess) but i reckon with a bit of luck on ferael spirits you can clear

flat gyro
#

Any ideas? Sylvia keeps destroying my back line and the melee combo on bottom kills my front hero before I can get any Ults off

pale kettle
#

Hello everyone

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Which is the better team? Im level 30

winter matrix
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Safiya
Hogan
Rowan
Eironn
Arden

pale kettle
winter matrix
#

Safiya
Lucius
Rosaline
Estrilda
Thane

timber knoll
pale kettle
#

Ok ty for help

green loom
#

anyone here past 27?

exotic oar
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@timber knoll >belinda>>vedan/Grezhul>nemora/arden>>brutus>saveas. you really need more heroes like lucius or id evan use hogan as a tank since youre early game. you need more CC and more heroes to get good faction advatage. Level saveas ASAP. he'll be your main carry if you have him L+ with good gear.

timber knoll
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Thank you!

I'm trying my best to ascend my heroes. Just got Saveas last night.

exotic oar
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@timber knoll saveas is great with decent gear. if you need further help post the stage youre at

timber knoll
winter matrix
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Try swapping Nemora and Saveas places to get a charm on Saveas

exotic oar
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@timber knoll indeed def put nemora bottom or that saveas will tear you apart

timber knoll
#

Gotcha! Thank you guys!

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Whew. I still have some work to do lol. They melted me twice already

opal dune
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@timber knoll if i recall right, i took belinda to around 140 then managed to 2 time ulti in a row with the help of rosaline, try something like that.

You just need a front line that can tank some damage, or just put nemora mid, bel top front, rosa top back, then downside something like brutus to hold a few secs

timber knoll
#

Much appreciated! I'll work on getting her up there.

opal dune
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@timber knoll yw, and get Sav to L+ asap he's overpowered at those levels

lament sparrow
shrewd elm
#

Nvm I swapped Lyca for Fawkes and made it through

timber knoll
#

@opal dune thanks! I'm trying lol. Just got him last night.

wooden island
inland kite
fringe mural
lone maple
remote ember
#

Can someone help me with a general progression lineup? On chapter 8

clear spade
#

@frozen wave thanks for the suggestion, I could also get nemora by using bells.

empty pulsar
#

@clear spade dont buy copies with bells if you're f2p

clear spade
#

@empty pulsar should i spend it all on elite soulstones and scrolls?

empty pulsar
lament sparrow
flat gyro
#

Anyone awake and offering help? Tried everything I can think of and been stuck. Thanks in advance!

woven lichen
#

@green loom any particular question you had for info after ch 27?

full wharf
#

I can't for the life of me clear it

wise hornet
#

If I wanna go a different direction than Luc/Bel/Rosa/Fawkes/Raine (since I can't pull a Rowan at all), who else would be good to level or crystal and what other lineups should I try?

woven lichen
#

@full wharf can follow similar idea but with Belinda... Rosa dodging athalia makes things easier

wild tree
#

wrong channel

wise hornet
#

@full wharf have you tried just changing the lineup in a way that Luc gets out front quicker to build ult and Rosa makes it to her partner quicker?

woven lichen
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@wise hornet estrilda can be a good hero but usually better at higher levels and ascensions. Shop hero too

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@flat gyro what stage? Guessing you are doing shemira/Belinda Lucius/Brutus Rowan Rosa and Fawkes?

full wharf
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@wise hornet yeah I did, I changed around the line up with lucius mostly being in front but he's always first to die

wise hornet
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@woven lichen I keep Estri crystal'd for the event right now but she is indeed quite squishy until higher ascensions. I think I'm more asking if I'd be better served with like a Nemora/Tasi/Arden comp somehow, etc

woven lichen
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@lament sparrow try leveling saveas 20-40 levels above everyone else and pair him with Mirael Hogan thane and Nemora/Arden/tasi

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@wise hornet what stage are you at? You could try wilder trio in back... definitely more crowd control and delaying. Nemora Arden lyca.... or tasi for Arden

flat gyro
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Stage is 24-24. Also tried throwing athalia in randomly

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Just a reminder pic to keep it all together. This is what I am up against and what I have

wise hornet
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@woven lichen I'm on 9-37 at the moment. I feel like I could just power through without needing higher ascensions if I could just pull a Rowan but that's not working out lol

woven lichen
wise hornet
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I don't have Lyca yet but I do have Nemora, Tasi, and Arden available. If I were gonna try that route who would I, ideally, pair with them?

flat gyro
#

@woven lichen do u just save pics of every level? Or go back and beat them again?

woven lichen
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@wise hornet you could try using Eironn or Mirael or Safiya too

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@flat gyro there is a telegram with all stage solutions from multiple players

wise hornet
#

You thinking something like this could work?

Arden
Brutus
Tasi
Safiya
Nemora

woven lichen
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@wise hornet might be too much crowd control... can try but usually want lyca for movement speed so Nemora and Arden can use the skill first

flat gyro
#

Maybe just need to up my heros? Cause I'm getting rocked lol

Thank u @woven lichen

wise hornet
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That makes sense, thanks. So if I decide to rock along with Luc/Bel/Rosa... do I keep both Fawkes AND Raine until I pull a Rowan or would I be better served maybe with a Nemora/Arden back there? or maybe an Estrilda instead of either Fawkes or Raine? Since they both kinda serve a similar function

flat gyro
#

Personally I would get rid of Raine. She's Ascension fodder until the buff her. But listen to aesyr, they are smarter then me lol

wise hornet
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@flat gyro Fair point. I'll toy around with some other stuff instead of her. I was just putting Saveas/WuKong in that extra slot and it was.... well, hit or miss depending on stage.

woven lichen
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@wise hornet can experiment. Probably depends on enemies. Raine is fine if you can kill at least one or two enemies... as her ult will help you snowball... but typically Rowan and Rosa are a better combo

wise hornet
#

I knoooooowwwww D: I have literally every LB hero now except Gwyn, Hendrik, and Rowan. /cry

woven lichen
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@remote ember try making Talene your highest leveled hero and pair with Lucius athalia tasi Arden/Nemora

limpid pumice
remote ember
#

@woven lichen will do. Thanks

woven lichen
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@limpid pumice try mirael and Fawkes instead of Belinda and Nemora

limpid pumice
#

Mirael just gets one shot

modern tapir
woven lichen
#

@limpid pumice could also try twins since can link front two heroes... want to make Silvina attack a tasi or Rowan character though

glossy robin
earnest flume
#

Is Rosa worth using over nemora at this point?

#

I just got to Chp 7

earnest flume
#

Nvm replaced nemora with twins and its improved my team

hardy crow
#

yea twins are pretty good

small acorn
#

@earnest flume twins are ok for campaign now. But you will lack copies moving forward. So they will only get used on bosses.

But!! Nem and rosie are both great throughout the game

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@earnest flume if you LB main obviously rosie.

But nem is soo easy to obtain through shop and is a great tool

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@glossy robin put all your huge dps bottom side, have to try and kill vaden before he ults. Then its easy win.

patent mason
small acorn
#

@patent mason soooo.... a lot of viables and your soo early that you formation will change many times over the next 5 weeks.

But i would suggest to read the pinned post guide in #545929173471068170 it has far more details then my 5cents.

Now for my 5 cents
PvP =
Arden (get a decent one, hugs spike at 141)
Saveas
Athalia
Rosie/shem
Tasi

This will change heaps you still missing a lot of heros and dont have any L yet

As for PvE
Common meta is 1x carry 1x tank 3x support. Usually saveas is the most efficient carry till lvl 160 then shemira is from 161 to 240. As for tanks brutus and luci are best early on. As for support you can either wilder trio which is tasi nem lyca but also arden is best in slot but unfortunately he is capped at lvl 160. Otherwise LB offers rosie and rowan support which work well with luci tank.

Regardles lategame you will need them all

patent mason
#

I have 3 supports and Saveas but i have not a decent tank

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Should i use ogi or hogan?

safe sleet
limpid pumice
amber kestrel
mighty veldt
#

@amber kestrel can you merc a good Nara ? I’d run 1 tasi 2 Brutus 3 merc Nara 4 Lyca 5 nemora and just terry cheese at that point with that comp

solid goblet
mighty veldt
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Personally if you reset your belinda for Shem and ran Shem Brutus and wilder trio you’d likely beat it

solid goblet
#

Alright I'll try that. Thanks!

mighty veldt
#

Np and good luck might take a few tries but should work eventually and works on most “walls” in chapter 20

jovial gate
green loom
#

@woven lichen what should I be running? my graveborn are very weak so no nara/fearal. but I am stuck on 27-4 though I just got there after a 50 chapter climb. toons are 292 and I have five star Belinda fawkes nemora lucious and arthur then four star lyca and brutus. the arthur is sub 10 sig the rest are plus 20 and I have a bunch of 1 2 and 3 star toons most with +10 sogs some +20 so any ideas will help. I have been running 5 lb slot lucious Hendrix fawkes rowan/rosaline Belinda

woven lichen
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@green loom the lb composition is fine to keep running... but you may need to merc or use other heroes for some tough stages.... Gwyneth is terrific to pair with Arthur. Arthur works well as a tank in lb parties too and his sig helps Rosa and Belinda build up ult quickly

If you don’t have nara... might need an athalia to take care of safiya Arden etc... an Eironn is nice too

amber kestrel
#

@mighty veldt ill try for that - ty

green loom
#

@woven lichen yeah I just cant beat 7-4 the skreg is gucking everthing

woven lichen
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@green loom for skreg, you probably need an agi tank like fawkes (good faction gear), Brutus/Thoran/Arthur, or twins

jovial gate
#

^^ help anyone on 7-40/ tower 95?

stone bluff
woven lichen
#

@jovial gate May need some more heroes of same faction for bonus to hp and atk... gorvo instead of Thoran?

uncut summit
red belfry
pale kettle
#

Do i need to do any change in my formation?

stone bluff
#

@pale kettle put saveas in safya place, skriath in arden place

pale kettle
#

Thnx

fathom estuary
#

Is there anything I can do to pass this? I've been trying all kinds of formations and I have 100+ retries.

odd python
#

@red belfry dont put shemira bottom frontline, ogi’s abilities stun and reduce haste (slowing energy gain) ira’s arrows reduce her hp regen (literally why shemira is strong past lv 161) put her against kaz instead.

also, top backline should have nemora, the idea is nemora charms arden so he roots his own team. to put in nemora swap out fawkes if he coffins arden, or else swap out rosa

idle oriole
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@fathom estuary try get shemira to 160 asap and don't make unecessary legendaries unless you can ascend straight to Legendary+

However I passed that stage on my Alt acc with
Lyca
---Shemira
Nemora
---Luc
Arden

odd python
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@fathom estuary due to your crystal level your heroes aside from carry are going to die pretty fast, you likely wont win with the current setup and will need to make use of cc (arden/mehira good), that being said lacking a way to deal with silvina is an issue (ideally you want something like nara to pull her away from your other heroes)

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shemira needs the fight to drag out to get the heal from her ult pre 161, you may want to consider using belinda for the crit (rng a chance to nuke out the enemies) but it’ll be hard

fathom estuary
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I have 50k lab coins, which I'll use to buy a Shemira copy once the store resets in 9 days. But it'll be a few weeks before I can get the next one. I already have 2 Elite+ fodder for Mythic and I'm slowly working on getting more. I'll try the setup with Arden and Nemora and pray for RNG.

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I guess I can reset Shemira and level up Belinda and see how that goes as well. Thanks for the ideas.

odd python
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theres a couple of really niche things you can try such as estrilda (initial hit knocks frontline enemy back) who allows belinda’s aoe orb attack to hit the backline, really just have to play around with your hero pool and see

fathom estuary
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Alright. I'll go for the CC idea with Shemira first. If it doesn't work I'll try Belinda and Estrilda. Cheers ^^

odd python
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cc with shem might be your best bet yeah

rare karma
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Can someone help me with F80 of Brutal Citadel? It seems so unfair 😂

abstract mountain
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Okey nevermind did it alone 😄

brittle summit
violet igloo
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@brittle summit You're going to have to try and get yourself a Ferael soon. In the mean time, you can try with your team :

Belinda
Brutus
Estrilda/Rowan/Rosa
Lucius
Tasi

brittle summit
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I do have him, but only at E+.

rare karma
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@violet igloo Could you help with F80 of Mauler Tower if possible please?

violet igloo
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@rare karma you're just missing a few levels / ascension on heroes.

Also Seaveas lvl 160 is useless here. You'll do more damage with an E+ Khasos lvl 200.

rare karma
brittle summit
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@violet igloo thanks for the help. With that setup I was able to clear the stage.

violet igloo
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@brittle summit 👍 gratz

brittle summit
violet igloo
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@rare karma can you post your hero box ? Also you need to continue buying Shemira in shop so that you can ascend her ASAP and get her lvl 240.

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@brittle summit not much you can do honestly, mauler tower is the hardest to push... You could put a Skreg infront of Estrilda to not get cc'd but he's only E+ You just have to wait a bit and get more levels / more ascension : )

brittle summit
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If I have to I can always use a mercenary Skreg, but I'll have to wait till the week resets on Sunday.

waxen bison
brittle summit
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And Safiya is the next one I'm planning on ascending to M+.

prime onyx
astral plank
waxen bison
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Is make everyone 121 and max out saveas

violet igloo
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@astral plank as a general tip don't ascend heroes to Legendary if you don't have another E+ copy of them to ascend them straight to L+. Also put Saveas 150 and other 120