#lineup-help

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pale kettle
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She also get destroyed, and so does Arden and Lucuis

lapis sand
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@coral solar just got pummeled. Who shud I lvl or evenly lvl?

coral solar
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Try to ascend otherwise @lapis sand and try to focus on factions bonuses

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@pale kettle if you replace nemora and niru in your top 5 and put Lucius and nemora in crystal and put your top5 101+ for that extra ult lvl

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I meant mirael and niru for Lucius and nemora mb @pale kettle

steep flicker
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Hey all, I’m super new to the game. Would love any advice on my current lineup. Thanks!

pale kettle
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why is everyone getting Shemira at early game and why don't I :(

steep flicker
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I got shemira on my first pull lol

coral solar
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@steep flicker switch lyca with silvina

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@pale kettle shemira not that good early game no stress 😉

pale kettle
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I'll farm her in the lab store

coral solar
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I don’t even have her yet I’m lvl 90 @pale kettle

pale kettle
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Well if Belinda and Arden can carry me till i get her i will be happy

coral solar
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Arden L+ op af lol

pale kettle
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if i have one more arden in my pulls i can put him L

frail pulsar
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I need advice ;-;
I have only backliners as my best heros..

coral solar
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Use Lucius/estrilda @frail pulsar

frail pulsar
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I do, but they die really fast

coral solar
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Brutus otherwise he has immune

pale kettle
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@coral solar i passed with luck, belinda ulted 0.1 sec before that Silvana was going to ult and kill her

coral solar
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Yea sometimes is rng

pale kettle
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i only have 0 stars blue equipment for Arden thats why he's still a bit weak i think

frail pulsar
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So @coral solar, you're tellin me to use all 4 of them with Brutus/Estrilda/Lucius?

coral solar
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Brutus/Lucius estrilda/Lucius estrilda/Brutus

frail pulsar
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Okay...

livid terrace
indigo jolt
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@livid terrace

Arden
Shem
Nemora
Brut
Lyca

Need to charm ferael.

fierce fjord
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@livid terrace put nemore in the middle use arden instead of brutus and hope for a charm on ferael

formation would look like this:
arden
shemira
nemora
lyca
tasi

grim hatch
fierce fjord
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its 16-20 right?
saw a video where someone used
arden
shemira
lyca
brutus
tasi

grim hatch
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yup

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total bs xD

fierce fjord
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im also stuck there atm

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with all heroes lvl160 and same ascension as u

livid terrace
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@fierce fjord Used your formation, got it. Tysm. Could you explain why I had to charm Ferael?

lapis sand
fierce fjord
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@livid terrace cause he does his fear on 3 enemys and give them the energy regen debuff

edit: idk why everyone beats it in ~5 trys it took me nrly 200 tries to finaly get it

livid terrace
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o

grim hatch
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oh okay I'm done with progression xD got from 15-16 to 16-20 today xD bought 2 M gear for shem from lab

fierce fjord
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i finished 2 chapters this week and am now stuck at 16-20 too

sharp escarp
indigo jolt
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@sharp escarp Have Nemora?

sharp escarp
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@indigo jolt nop

scarlet kraken
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@sharp escarp get arden to 141 before ira. Why is tasi frontlining too. Brutus hogan frontline, Arden mirael ira backline

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@sharp escarp can try swapping poisitions of hogan and Brutus, I think brutus can kill niru before he gets all his health back

naive tide
scarlet kraken
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@naive tide can’t see the full team u have.. u need some serious cc tho, Arden would be good, probably better than nimusu.

hollow rune
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Why is Arden strong? he feels so weak and I have him at L+

obtuse basalt
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You probably need either super strong CC to shit the Verdans or all tanks to negate the assasin chick

naive tide
obtuse basalt
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@hollow rune he can shut down two enemies at a time with an ability other than his ultimate, so he’s a consistent and continuous source of CC

scarlet kraken
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@hollow rune he is so strong because he can root 3 people.. only 2 enemies will be attacking you

obtuse basalt
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He caps at L+ but his CC is just so constant that I think that probably will only matter in late game. He’s my MVP honestly, even if I’m he’s not getting all the levels my DPS units are

scarlet kraken
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@naive tide u can also try baiting the silv’s with a weaker hero in front that u don’t mind dying and putting tanks right behind to dominate the silv‘s and vedan

hollow current
weak fiber
scarlet kraken
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And idk if u know this, but if u know you’re going to lose the battle u can exit it quickly before it ends and it will reset your hero’s health

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@hollow current thoran vedan frontline, Arden lyca tasi backline. If u get more copies of savaes max him out he can carry u

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@weak fiber did u try having your savaes tank instead of lyca

lapis sand
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@hollow current thanks dan

weak fiber
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@scarlet kraken still shit maybe I'm too low

scarlet kraken
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@weak fiber maybe, you could try Hogan brutus frontline, Belinda fawkes savaes backline if you want

lapis sand
sour coral
restive tangle
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Private message me

sour coral
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Why your legendary lvl 1....

harsh spoke
sour coral
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Try Lucias/brutas and Belinda/Arden/Shemira

fierce fjord
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is eirons pull faster than ardens root? if yes that could work or athalia so u dont get insta rooted @harsh spoke

restive tangle
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@sour coral I am new to the game

sour coral
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Jack you and me are the same chapter lol

echo tulip
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I can’t send pics it’s too many@mb to send 😦

restive tangle
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Lol 8-16?

lapis sand
echo tulip
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Im@stuck on 5-28

fervent forge
harsh spoke
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@fierce fjord Eironn is suicide, ogi just destroys everything from the inside 😦 I'll give athalia a few tries to see if it looks promising thanks

restive tangle
lapis sand
fierce fjord
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@harsh spoke gl got no other idea 😦

fervent forge
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@lapis sand Try Ira, Tasi and Arden in the back with Warek and Hogan

lapis sand
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Ok ty

trail glade
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Any lineup tips? I’ve been struggling with just Ogi frontline so I moved Shemira up too, the Kaz/Silvina backline felt awful so I put in Saveas and Lyca

I also am thinking of ascending Lucius to replace Ogi, but idk if that’s worth 0 faction bonus

fading notch
pale kettle
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@fading notch
-Dont level green heros, when you get them usually you just put them in the rickety cart
-you only want to level 5 main hero's put others in the resonating crystal

fading notch
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i keep greens for bounties

reef zinc
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I'd also level saveas to be your carry

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arden is quite strong at 81 too with his 2 roots

pale kettle
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I would say for now just use
Belinda
Nemora
Saveas
Lucius
Estrilda

fading notch
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so the faction bonuses aren't that good to be prioritized?

pale kettle
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This comp will give you the 3 bonus

remote depot
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Hey guys, I’m hardstuck on 6-8 against a legendary Brutus, and can’t seem even get close to beating the level. Am I optimizing my leveling correctly?

pale kettle
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I would say level saveas a little more like 2nd to shem but you should be fine

feral coral
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Stage 11-32 has been kicking my teeth in for a week. Assuming no good pulls in the Tavern over the next few days, is there anything I can do to get over this hump?

fading notch
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okay thanks for the input @pale kettle @reef zinc

pale kettle
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Dont worry about it cheif

remote depot
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@pale kettle Sorry, I should’ve included this. Is this remotely close to a good lineup? Only using hogan Bc I don’t have a good secondary tank.

pale kettle
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@feral coral
Savaes
Shem
Belinda
Estrilda
Hogan

feral coral
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Thank you, I'll give that a go

pale kettle
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Also @feral coral if that doesnt work send me the picture of enemy line up

dry apex
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Would it be worthwhile for me to reset my brutus/Sav and make my shemira 161 and the rest 121? I'm stuck on 11-36 so got zero mythic gear and only 2 pieces of leg for shemira as well. I have enough hero essence to 161 shemira

pale kettle
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For 161 I am pretty sure all heros need to be 140

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I would say put shem as you bottem frontline instead of Mirael and put Mirael in the middle

proper lodge
feral coral
pale kettle
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@pale kettle still getting clapped even with that formation.

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@pale kettle you might just have to wait to level and ascend, try to get better gear and level gear

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that’s been the plan, stuck on this for a week now though. normally someone gives me a better lineup which i rearrange and beat the stage ez 😦

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@feral coral Maybe replace Shem with Brutus

feral coral
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Thanks, will give it a go

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Still not working out. Oh well, I'll hope to the RNG for some upgraded ascension. Thanks for the help

proper lodge
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Any chance someone could help, posted a few back

grim hatch
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@proper lodge reset the others to make them 121 then put all your exp to saveas then use
nemora
brutus
tasi
saveas
arden

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try to make saveas 160 asap @proper lodge

subtle frigate
pale kettle
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Saveas should have estrilda lvls, faweks for raine @subtle frigate

robust snow
rough sun
hasty night
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My whole team gets bodied with an aoe or something like 4 secs in.

robust snow
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Move your support away from brutus

steep cape
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@hasty night try running lucious Hogan Shem mirael Es. Run lucious and Hogan front line with Shem top right es middle and mirael back bottom

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@rough sun just wait till you unlock resonating crystal

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@robust snow ascend heroes which can allow you to epic+. None of the heroes you can currently ascend you will use

rough sun
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i have the crystal now but i am stuck lol

steep cape
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@pale kettle don’t run wilder against mauler squad. You will get wrecked. No idea who else you have but from what I can see run lucious belong es if you have a fawkes and a high damage

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Stuck? @rough sun @subtle frigate saveas top back lucious front top athalia back middle Belinda back bottom and es front bottom

robust snow
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So just save them for when I get a good hero @steep cape sc?

steep cape
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@robust snow yessir get your heroes to epic+ and wait. You’re in no rush. If you had some legendaries already I’d say push another so you can prep for mythic but no point at your level. Vedan and niru are complete garbage . Silva is okay but I never liked her. Arden is great in a mauler comp for kinda mid game or late early game. Kaz again mixed reviews but I never liked

hasty night
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@steep cape nope I die even faster

steep cape
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Which guy is the one inflicting the mass damage @hasty night

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Also who else do you have for heroes?

hasty night
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Its khaos with his twin axe throw. Thoran Arden Raine safiya

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Thats it really. All the other rares too. And Isabella.

rough sun
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nvm on being stuck lucius is op even when a bit underleveled wrt resonating crystal

steep cape
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Can you just post a pic please @hasty night

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Wrt? @rough sun

hasty night
rough sun
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with regards to

steep cape
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@rough sun perfect 👌 @hasty night focus saveas on the side (he should be main focus in the upcoming days) that being said you’re gonna want satfiya in your team as a support. Mirael is your best chance at damage right now if you can keep her alive. Es is a crap tank that I only use in very specific circumstances. Lucious is fantastic but needs his ult to go off to be useful.shem can carry you to chapter 7 easily. Get her to lvl 101 as soon as you can. Nemora imo is completely useless early game so is the archer chick and raine. Tasi is great if you can keep her alive. You’re missing a couple key elements to make your teams aurora useful :/ that was my best guess to help based on what you have. I used my shem with mirael to get past that stage back in the day but my shem was over lvl 100 so was mirael and I had a fawkes to make Brutus disappear. May just have to wait for some better heroes to come along

hasty night
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@steep cape so level safitya and saveas, Lucius and Shem. Can i replace mirel with Belinda when I get her? Also, doesn't this team have no faction bonus?

burnt knot
haughty token
next basin
steep cape
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@hasty night like I said buddy you are missing a couple key pieces to have a faction bonus. Ideally you will get another decent light or mauler and you can run a 3-2. But for now those are by far your best chances. And yes Belinda to replace mirael

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@burnt knot tasi or Lyca - leaning more towards tasi.

sly cobalt
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Can anyone help me find my best lineup and what heroes I should go for

pale kettle
indigo jolt
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What lab relics you have?

pale kettle
indigo jolt
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Drop tasi for belinda.

next quiver
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@pale kettle I don't believe Tasi's ultimate or banish abilities work on Wrizz, so she is kinda useless

indigo jolt
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^

pale kettle
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Yea, I used her on the fight before, I just hadn’t moved anyone around yet because I wasn’t 100% sure on what would be needed. Should I leave two tanks? Or put in like eironn or raine?

indigo jolt
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Can drop athalia for raine as well.

pale kettle
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Can I fight wrizz with two teams?? I could always use a duras tear I suppose

next quiver
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@pale kettle The trick is to get in as much damage as fast as possible. Is seems that after a little while he just goes nuts and doesn't lose any health. I would keep athalia and go for a damage dealer to replace tasi

indigo jolt
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No, its one and done so be ready to pause and retry if youre about to lose.

gloomy haven
wanton spoke
steep hull
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Stuck at 7-36, assuming I just need to get my whole team to 101+ but would appreciate any input. Here's my main lineup, and my available heroes.

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Considering swapping Baden for Niru but he falls apart so easily unless the stars align

indigo jolt
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@wanton spoke
Try
Sav
Lucius
Tasi or Arden
Hogan
Belinda

@steep hull
Enemy formation?

slow terrace
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Help for 12-40?

steep hull
indigo jolt
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@steep hull Try
Nara
Baden
Shemira
Estrilda
Belinda or Silvina (see who she jumps)

steep hull
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@indigo jolt I'll give it a go. Silvina will target Arden but it makes Ogi turn around and attack her every time I've used her. Maybe useful to buy time for Shemira and Belinda ults. Thank you 😁

indigo jolt
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Maybe then swap Nara and Silviana spots, to try get resets going.

steep hull
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Good idea, thank you again.

wanton spoke
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didn't work @indigo jolt. Any other ideas?

indigo jolt
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Try full Lb team.
Or
Lyca
Sav
Tasi
Hogan/Lucius
Arden

wanton spoke
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closest I've gotten was with Lyca, Hogan, Arden, Lucious, Belinda

wispy vine
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help me.beat this...ll go to ch.16

indigo jolt
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Nemora in to charm ferael. @wispy vine

wispy vine
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nemora in for who?

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tasi gets her ultimate with call..so hard to leave her out @indigo jolt

indigo jolt
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arden
shemira
nemora
lyca
tasi

wanton spoke
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i think i just need to level up a bit. Thank you for your help @indigo jolt

kind sky
terse fog
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I literally have got fucked by pulls

icy badger
haughty token
inland kite
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There's noone even giving advice... doesnt mean you were skipped lol

haughty token
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It does because I posted mine like an hour ago and everyone skipped me...

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Almost 2 hours ago now, my bad...

robust snow
inland kite
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Two hours and one person gave advice to someone who they had been talking to for a bit, besides that I had seen No advice given, just people posting they need help. People have lives, they cant sit here and moniter and help every single little person, and sometimes people overlook someone, big deal.

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Post it again and move on. I've been skipped many times too.

haughty token
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Dont be an idiot. You can easily go through everything here. At least 5 other people were talking. Takes 5 seconds to see the validity of my frustration

inland kite
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Oh now you're going to insulting, I wouldn't help anyone who sits there and whines about needing help then insults the first person that says something, wow, shows great maturity, getting mad over a game.

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Anyway I'm done with this, I said my piece, people have lives, noones perfect, stop whining and move on.

hollow seal
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Idk.. Feels like Gibraltor has a point. For the ones with enough knowledge to help it wouldnt take longer than a few secs after looking at the pics to say something. Imho its just the nature of Discord. Many joined but left the app runnig in background etc.
You should just look up some guides Gibraltor to help you decide. Thats what I'm doing.. or ask ingame. Faster.

maiden quest
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there's also an issue of how far along people are: people might have more progression than others who have asked but not as much as you

inland kite
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well, just what im saying is that just cause a person answers a question, that does not mean they're ignoring the person above, just they may not be able to help that person, or be knowledgable enough to help everyone, but maybe even they were stuck on the same stage as someone, so they know how to help then and there.

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i just dont agree with bashing the people who do sit here for a long time and help, if you're really that stuck and noones answering, you could also dm one of the supporters and ask for help if the chats that busy

rugged marten
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Guys chill out

random verge
rugged marten
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This is not a chat for discussion

chrome ledge
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Could someone give me a hand stuck on 6-12 and still not sure what my best lineup I have is

rugged marten
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This is a chat for people to advise others, not argue amongst yourselves, definitely not the place to do that

random verge
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Shem Hogan at front, Bel tasi Arden at back. Should be fine that early with that team imo @chrome ledge

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Better than the heroes I had at that point 😅

chrome ledge
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And don’t use the undead tank guy?

random verge
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Thoran? He's meh

chrome ledge
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Really ? Should I just de lvl him and spend more into Hogan then ?

random verge
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Tbh I'd up shemira

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Her damage is very nice thoughout the whole game so levels in her couldn't hurt

maiden quest
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@chrome ledge Thoran isn't good until very late game

chrome ledge
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Cause hogan and shem just fall over so fast 😂

random verge
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Did you transfer gear from thoran?

tough trail
frigid dagger
chrome ledge
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I have just drops 😢

frigid dagger
random verge
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I feel you @chrome ledge maybe try thoran at the front instead of Shem and drop arden, put Shem in ardens place

robust snow
tough trail
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@frigid dagger thank you, damn i'm quite a few levels behind

rough harness
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I've got a free pick in the Tavern and 45K from the Lab, are there any heroes that would make my lineup kick more ass, or should I just get copies of the ones I already have?

kind dune
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Hey guys, I just want to confirm if it would be a good idea to sacrifice leg+ Arden to make a mythic Tasi? My other option is to give him to Lyca and make a mythic Lyca. However I seem to be using Tasi more often than Lyca, and already have two e+ Tasis waiting to go for future ascension.

Or should I wait and not kill off leg+ Arden yet? This last mythic would be my 5th 161 char and I am anxious to get it going >.< What I really want is one more Lucious to mythic my lucious and have him be the 5th, but it seems to not be happening, sigh..

Thanks in advance for any advice!

frigid dagger
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@tough trail Yeah, be patient that one is rly hard, I was lucky in one of more than 200 attempts

kind dune
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I Just got past 16-20. Was a huge pain. Did it with Ascend Brutus, Leg Athelia front line. Mythic+ Shemira, Ascended 2star Nemora, Leg+ Tasi..

gloomy haven
static ridge
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is there a reason why naras ultimate never crits?

vocal roost
pale kettle
proud pelican
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@pale kettle use khasos instead of Belinda

steady orbit
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What do I do with this

pale kettle
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@proud pelican I’m not even getting close though. Feel like I shouldn’t be struggling here. Idk

proud pelican
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@pale kettle your team need a aura buff to do better

steady orbit
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Like lyca

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Tasi is great as well

pale kettle
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So what should I do then

steady orbit
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Lucius, Belinda, shemira, lyca and Fawkes just an idea but might work plus getting that team boost Is always nice

pale kettle
steady orbit
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Depends what stage you on and what’s your team like

remote depot
young saffron
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Floor 60 of human tower

lament matrix
steady orbit
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Shemira, lyca, Brutus, Fawkes and whatever horse woman is called again

fierce kayak
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@lament matrix Wilders CC help me past chap 12. You can use them too. Can try either Sav/Shem as offtank, else lyca offtank. My Shem is at Mythic in chap 12 tho.

lament matrix
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Yea i’ve been using arden, lyca and nem sometimes

fierce kayak
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@remote depot I will focus levelling on Sav for now. And try not to spend on upgrading equips. Only upgrade mythic. Example, Carry like Sav level 81, rest of 4 60/61. Spare resources next goes to tank.

lapis sand
sand rune
fierce kayak
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@lapis sand Hogan vs Brutus. And I usually place nemora vs Brutus lane hoping to charm him. You can try Arden too as he matches well with Lyca. Play around and see how. Lyca can even place as offtank.

sand rune
maiden quest
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@lapis sand in addition to what 9Kc said, in general, don't put Saveas in front of Brutus because he'll waste DPS shooting an invulnerable target; instead try to get him to pick off weaker characters to snowball in your favor

pale kettle
fierce kayak
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@pale kettle do you wanna reset Arden to 141 and pump onto Sav instead? Seems like a waste on Arden to 155.

maiden quest
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@sand rune reset Nemora and use Saveas as one of your main leveled characters so he can level past 120; also I beat 9-20 with heroes similar to yours, using Eironn to pull the backline, Nemora + Arden for CC (just gotta try over and over for favorable RNG), Brutus and Saveas

pale kettle
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I don’t see much point in resetting Arden and pouring the exp into saveas just bc I tend to use Arden far more often

frigid dagger
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@pale kettle U can't ascend anyone to leg+? U rly need brutus 141

fast temple
pale kettle
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Unfortunately not :/ @frigid dagger

lapis sand
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@fierce kayak my Hogan does too fast idk what to do. I'm tried all these formation still getting screwed

sand rune
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@maiden quest thank you for the suggestion. I’ll give it a shot. I am about 80 Heroes Essence shy of pumping Saveas to 121, hence not resetting yet. But it seems like a good idea to go ahead and do it anyway.

frigid dagger
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@pale kettle Then wait, Ur team is pretty good, just need more lvl

native oasis
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nemora or seirus? :(

frigid dagger
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But brutus 7 sec passive is rly importante :( try lucius instead

fierce kayak
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@lapis sand did nemora charm? Cos Sav is at bot lane too so if they are not root/charm/ banish.. then whoever tanks there will still die.

pale kettle
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Rip aight

fierce kayak
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@lapis sand Sav at level 81 makes a big difference if I not wrong. Spike in power

native oasis
scarlet kraken
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@native oasis doesn’t the silv jump onto your tasi? Put tasi infront instead if you’re gonna try that setup. If not I would use brutus frontline instead one of your wilders

sand rune
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@maiden quest like this? Obv Saveas isn’t yet 121, but he gets squashed by the back line Ira.

lapis sand
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@fierce kayak my nemora charmed the enemy saveos most of the time

maiden quest
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he'll do better at 121 and try and equip him with that one artifact that gives a shield on ult; I basically reset any time Vedan wasn't the first to die

native oasis
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@scarlet kraken tasi lives longer if i put her at the back. who do i replace for brutus

maiden quest
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otherwise, my party was almost exactly like yours except that my Arden was legendary and my Saveas was like 125 or something

fierce kayak
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@lapis sand ic.. with Wilders CC.. You can keep trying for RNG luck/ change postion or afk till Sav is 81 then I think he be good. Else you can repost and see if others can help youm

maiden quest
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can't remember where I positioned Eironn, but I think I had him lower down

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just play with it and see which positions get you farther

sand rune
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Will do. I see Arden’s potential in this level.

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Eironn has been in my top three heroes since ive had him.

maiden quest
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don't forget to pull gear off your best heroes if they're not being used in the current formation and equip it to whoever you're using atm

remote depot
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@fierce kayak thank you so much!

upper path
remote depot
maiden quest
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@remote depot I'd say Brutus and Hogan in front and Saveas, Arden, and Tasi in the backline

remote depot
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@maiden quest no shemira? Is she only better when legendary and higher

maiden quest
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I think the consensus of players with more progression is that there are better options until Shemira hits 161

pale kettle
maiden quest
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Tasi's survivability and CC is godmode, Saveas' DPS is beast, and Arden's CC is hugely helpful, although I guess he only roots 1 at your level iirc, so you might be able to swap him for someone else

fast temple
ember bane
robust coral
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Can some1 tell me if i should push some chars?

hasty night
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@ember bane maybe have Lucius instead of thoran, neither thorans level rarity aren't higher than the enemy.

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Maybe Belinda instead of shemira(idk) so u can get a faction buff

ember bane
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@hasty night already tried Lucius and Belinda not work well

signal aurora
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Please advise what team should I field?

exotic falcon
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Still can’t beat 9-20. By far the most annoying yet. Nearly 2 full days now.

frigid dagger
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@ember bane Try Silvina instead nemora

ember bane
vocal saddle
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Any suggestions? 11-20, I feel like this chapter has been quite long. I spent like 5 days in 11-18 and now I’m stuck here again.

dull mirage
violet pecan
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@exotic falcon get used to it. You will be stuck for weeks and months

exotic falcon
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If I get stuck for weeks I’ll leave the game. I am not that patient

candid turtle
remote depot
rancid current
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I’m getting to the point where my Wilders team isn’t cutting it anymore. Who should I be using?

urban egret
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Stuck at 6-4

wise merlin
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@remote depot #classic-questions

@rancid current Please add your formation vs the enemy, so the advice will be more specific and helpful. ^^

@urban egret ^, But also share your hero roster, for more specific advices!

urban egret
wise merlin
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@candid turtle Hello!

Have you received your answer / passed the stage yet? If not, let me know!

unique vapor
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that L lyca and belinda lmfao

wise merlin
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@urban egret Share your formation vs the enemy's so I can give out the best advice, as I forgot the enemies at that stage 😅

candid turtle
wise merlin
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@candid turtle (Same 😂 )

candid turtle
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Yikes xD any tips for what I have?

wise merlin
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@candid turtle Arden to 141, RNG match

urban egret
candid turtle
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Noted xD should I drop lyca back to 121?

rancid current
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@wise merlin I’m thinking I might just be at the point where my only choice is pushing for ascended or waiting until I have more mythic gear.

wise merlin
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@urban egret Swap Athalia for Saveas

Swap Lucius and Hogan's positioning.

If that doesn't help, place Lyca instead of Estrilda and put Estrilda up against Brutus, and Lucius against Golus.

urban egret
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ok i’ll try

wise merlin
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@rancid current Swap Lucius and Shemira's positioning.

Swap Lucius out with Lyca.

Hopefully Shemira won't die instantly by Khasos and Ankhira and I think you'd be fine by then :x

subtle gull
urban egret
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ayyy it worked thanks nicky

wise merlin
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@subtle gull swap Thoran for Ogi, or Ulmus, to ensure faction advantage.

Swap Ferael for Athalia, guaranteeing a stun and interruptions onto Niru.

Swap Vedan for Saveas, to increase DPS

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@urban egret Welcome 😁 space Best of luck!

rancid current
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Everyone's melting within seconds, I think I might just have to spend a week or two leveling. :' D

remote depot
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@wise merlin sorry about that and thanks for your help! Here’s who I have and what I’m stuck on. I know my leveling is all over the place; I’m planning on resetting them and leveling saveas to 80 then 4 others to 61

wise merlin
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@rancid current I wish you nothing but the best pulls!

May RNGesus be with you 🙏

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@remote depot Hello!

Your formation should look like this:

Saveas
Hogan
Shemira
Ulmus
Athalia

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@remote depot For future reference, never put your damage dealers against enemy heroes who can nullify it.

For example, Brutus, Khasos (later on in the game, his lifesteal is massive), Vedan, etc.

slim egret
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So I was wondering for a basic team comp to level and push til I need to worry about this stuff later.

remote depot
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@wise merlin thanks for the tip! I only put Vedan in the frontline because his ultimate is super fast for me and my tanks die super quick so vedan kinda stalls haha

wise merlin
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@remote depot Do know that once Vedan uses his ultimate move, your backline is exposed and can be deleted if not taken with care, since Vedan is untargetable and ignored by enemies.

remote depot
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@wise merlin true, I usually just put a tank behind him haha. Beginner logic but I’m learning and I won’t do it again haha

wise merlin
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@remote depot Just for future reference, the early game has many different tactics and has multiple ways to pull them off!

Your current tactic might help but not too far on!, PvE gets very unfair as it goes further on, so it's better to have a Plan B ^^

remote depot
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Also is athalia really worth using at this level?

wise merlin
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Yes, to make sure Saveas won't instantly kill your underlevelled Ulmus*

remote depot
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True, thank you so much for your help!

wise merlin
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Anytime, dear belindakiss

desert patio
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athalia gets better mid to late game so id save her

sacred turret
subtle gull
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@wise merlin I can almost clear it but I think I’m just undergeared imma have to afk for awhile lol thanks for the help space

wise merlin
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@subtle gull Okay! Best of luck with passing it! 😁 space

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@sacred turret Hogan > Numisu > Vedan > Lyca

sacred turret
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Thank you, this is the recommended allocation of resources atm right? I saw some people place Ira over Lyca

wise merlin
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@sacred turret Lyca isn't as useful when you don't have DPS, so you'd switch her out for a DPS hero (as you've mentioned, Ira.)

But if they have enough (about 3) DPS sources, Lyca can also be a Frontline to ensure haste and energy generation speed will increase to them all.

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@sacred turret Lyca isn't as useful when you don't have DPS, so you'd switch her out for a DPS hero (as you've mentioned, Ira.)

But if they have enough (about 3) DPS sources, Lyca can also be a Frontline to ensure haste and energy generation speed will increase to them all.

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And yes, it is the recommended priorities of resources investments. ^^

void depot
willow moon
pale kettle
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@void depot nice heroes for start :p

wise merlin
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@void depot Hey there! ^^

Allow me to introduce you to a 4 pages long guide that is included in Aerostati's message, within the pinned messages of this chatroom!

It will help you clear the entirety or chapter 6.

(Personal input: it sure did help me pass it all, after reading it thouroughly 😁 )

void depot
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@pale kettle thx. All im missing is a good frontline

pale kettle
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Shemira can be front

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oh its that stage, ye it really sucks for your formation

void depot
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@wise merlin thanks ill read that. Im new here obviously so HoganLUL

pale kettle
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@void depot well dont make faweks highest lvl in team, he just makes cc donest carry

wise merlin
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@void depot Of course! ^^

rare estuary
willow moon
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Looks to me like you need a tank lol

rare estuary
#

Ulumus has the heals for a tank and can get high damage for Nemo to heal with my current setup just need a new layout I guess

languid mauve
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So the most powerful ones are my team ( i just started), which of the new ones should i replace and which ones should i keep in my team for now?

wise merlin
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@languid mauve I'd replace Mirael for Hogan (Only once you've unlocked a feature called "The Resonating Crystal" as for when passing 4-36*)

open mural
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4-36 actually is when you unlock it

wise merlin
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Lol. lycazzz thank you @open mural

mystic willow
#

Focus on Nara or Baden? Can I use Isabella as food when time comes or is she too good?

open mural
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i'd say nara cause baden is getting a nerf @mystic willow

mystic willow
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I liked Baden’s graphics😅 ok Nara it is then

open cairn
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So I am deciding wether to 101 my units - the selections are Tasi, Lucian, Nemora, or Shemira

open mural
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post your units and everything so it's better to see @open cairn

open cairn
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I did Brutus first for the dodge debuff

pale kettle
open mural
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i'd say nemora for the better charm, and the fact that she can go up to 140 @open cairn

open cairn
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Ok ty

open mural
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@pale kettle post your other heroes too

pale kettle
open cairn
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Do you guys suggest to bring units up to max solo or bring units up together (level them equally)?

pale kettle
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Together

shy basalt
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i got a question, i have saveas leg+, belinda leg, ogi leg+, isabella leg+ and estrila leg. but i just received nemora and ive read that shes a really good healer. for which one do i need to replace her? (nemora is just normal purple for now

open mural
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how many lab tokens do you have? @pale kettle

@open cairn for your level i'd say one carry is best, then once you have them established go for evenly leveling.

@Zero.WnD#0002 if you post your full team it'd be better to help

shy basalt
haughty hull
open cairn
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And that one carry should be Brutus to max level right? Or should it be Lucian since he’s higher level cap?

pale kettle
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87530 @open mural

open mural
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@shy basalt i think for you it's best to use brutus ogi front with saveas arden tasi back, changing your entire lineup. Saveas is the best carry at lower levels and nemora ogi arden for the faction bonus

shy basalt
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@haughty hull the saveas is reaaaaally good inna 1v2, 1v2 etc. give him the first artifact (a shield damage reduction or something). he is still my biggest winner as of now, 1v2/3 a lot of matches

open mural
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@pale kettle who have you been buying with the tokens?

pale kettle
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Serius

shy basalt
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@open mural but my brutus dies in like 5 seconds of battle if he is in front, i tried him before

pale kettle
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And then dust and crystals

open mural
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@shy basalt do you not have enough dust to push him to 141?

@pale kettle don't buy anything other than shemira and nemora in the lab shop. You're close to 2 shemiras so i'd say get her next to start building her for the transition from early to mid game

urban egret
shy basalt
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@open mural well i will if i need to get rid of 2/3 people 😂

pale kettle
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I don't have shemira, only nemora snarlaugh

open mural
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i mean like push the crystal past 141 for brutus

haughty hull
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All right, @shy basalt

shy basalt
#

maybe put estrila in front as a tank, and lucius in her place since he is the best healer/shielder

open cairn
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So in terms of carrying my team. Should I pump Lucian or Brutus and to what level?

shy basalt
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@haughty hull i have him at lvl 148 now i believe as an legendary plus, he still owns against 3 sometimes a complete mythic team

open mural
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@urban egret put your 5 highest ascension heroes as your 5 to level up and throw everyone else in the crystal.

@open cairn use shemira as a carry. start building her in the lab store. Meanwhile i'd say get saveas up, as his damage is enough to carry you through the early stages

haughty hull
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I guess I could focus leveling him up over the others

shy basalt
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@open mural can you tell me again one more time what my new lineup should be?

open cairn
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I’m at stage 7-23 what level should I pump Semira to?

shy basalt
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@haughty hull do you have the first artifact? the damage reduction shield. give that to him

open mural
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firstly reset everyone to 120 and get saveas to 160. Don't bring anyone but him up if you can't reach a level milestone because of a dust cap. secondly, brutus ogi front, then saveas nemora arden would be the best bet @shy basalt

shy basalt
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took a screenshot of that so its easier to look back at, thanks!

open mural
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haha you're welcome

pale kettle
open mural
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nemora @pale kettle then get another and ascend her to L+

pale kettle
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ill hope for another one then 😂 is it worth it to get her from labyrinth or keep saving for shemira since I need 3 more for an ascended shemira

shy basalt
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@open mural can i ask, whats good about arden?

open mural
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3 roots at level 141 that prevent the enemies from moving, casting, attacking, and dodging. on three separate people

pale kettle
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i personally like his root, being able to root 2-3 people and disabling them for that time can buy time for your peoples

shy basalt
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kinda stuck now since 100 is the cap for now, cant upgrade sav either 😭

open mural
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@shy basalt put your highest ascension heroes as your top 5, so estrila and belinda can go past 100, but nemora and brutus can't. You put nemora and brutus in the resontating crystal to push them past skill barriers.

rough harness
#

I've got a free pick in the Tavern and 45K from the Lab, are there any new heroes I should get or should I just get copies of the ones I already have?

willow moon
#

Trying again.. Stuck here at 6-32, any recommendations? I already have the recommended Lucius Brutus lead, and I think my BL is as good as it can get..? What can I do from here?

primal torrent
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The dream team. I'm not that far so 8 cant answer but that's a nice lineup

shy basalt
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@open mural do i give org or brutus the ult speed artifact (10 points per second)

open mural
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Ogi, give brutus the other ones.

delicate pelican
shy basalt
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i have saveas with the shield artifact, nemora with the 10 energy per second and i have the third one (attack speed after crit) left

open mural
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put saveas on the bottom @delicate pelican behind brutus, try to kill ankhira first.

@Zero.WnD#0002 i would give brutus grace, then give eye to saveas for more attacks per second

shy basalt
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@delicate pelican put estrila top front instead of the knight guy, remove him so u get resources back and put those in saveas, maybe..

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@open mural and call?

open mural
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call on nemora is fine

delicate pelican
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That worked, thanks @open mural !!

open mural
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you're welcome aha

delicate pelican
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Well i put estrilda instead of nemora but i tried different combinations too and just putting sav down there made it work lol

open mural
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yeah basically have sav kill their damage and by the time he's through the rest of the enemies will be dead as well @delicate pelican

fleet heron
urban egret
willow moon
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:/

urban egret
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7-36

restive tangle
open mural
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@fleet heron @urban egret show your heroes too

@restive tangle i think brutus ogi/seirus then shem nemora athalia backline could work. focus isabella first

delicate pelican
urban egret
fleet heron
south herald
open mural
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maybe try brutus thoran then saveas safiya then shemira @fleet heron

crisp whale
stark coral
willow moon
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Crying lol okay I guess I'll just wait til I have more hero exp and level some boiz up and cross my fingers

stark coral
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Can anyone help me make a team ?

crisp whale
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@stark coral how well does your shemira survive? i'd say either athalia + belinda + lucius (for lightbearer faction bonus) or athalia + nemora + arden (for wilders faction bonus), as nemora and lucius have similar roles. then def add in saveas because he's the best damage dealer at this level -> pick the last member depending on what fits

steep cape
#

To everyone posting lineup questions- go to lineup help. This isn’t the chat for that.

pine prism
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the name of this channel is lineup help, though?

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was about to ask for some advice, too, don't want to annoy anyone though

narrow thicket
trim moat
lusty nimbus
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@trim moat swap estrilda to khasos

steep cape
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Oh fuck haha I’m sorry I’m tired as fuck and must not have realized I was in this chat- I usually stay in questions chats my bad guys

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@pine prism you’re good dude that’s on me

lusty nimbus
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😂😂 well rip

crystal dragon
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Any suggestions?

lusty nimbus
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@crystal dragon use eiron instead of estrilda and put him where belinda is

trim moat
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Niru and silvina are just to strong i can’t do anything even with khasos any other advices anyone?

lusty nimbus
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@narrow thicket you gotta wait for Nicky no idea bout ascended power levels 😅

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@trim moat put Belinda middle and swap mirael to athalia top

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Might help with niru

open cairn
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When I have enough Labyrinth currency to buy Shamera again (45000) am I supposed to refresh the store at the cost of 1000 gems?

lusty nimbus
trim moat
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@lusty nimbus thanks that worked out lol

restive tangle
brittle summit
deft nebula
round stump
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I’m on 5-32 and I’ve tried various different combinations of units and rotating them around a bit. That bottom right spear chucked dude always seems to eat my lunch as the last man standing whenever I find a setup that otherwise works optimally. Any ideas? I do have one free slot in RC.

ember bane
frigid dagger
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@ember bane u tried arden instead nemora already?

ember bane
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@frigid dagger need Nemora to heal

viscid hazel
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@ember bane
U tried
Tasi
Lucius
Arden
Shemira
Nemora?
Do you have lyca maybe try her for nemora then

deft nebula
ancient hound
frigid dagger
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@ember bane I understand, what marcl12 said it's a very strong comp, try that one

viscid hazel
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Lol @ancient hound was just searching the screenshot lul

ancient hound
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Haha ^^

glossy rune
deft nebula
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@ancient hound How am I supposed to manually replace them.

ancient hound
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@deft nebula Remove the L and one E+ hero from the crystal. Reset the E heroes & put them in crystal. Level up the L and E+ hero.

glossy rune
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was that for me @ancient hound ?

viscid hazel
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@glossy rune if you go 4 lightbearer with Arden / saveas, faction bonus will get u far in early stages
Something like this
Saveas/Arden
Lucius
Mirael
Hogan
Thane

low bridge
glossy rune
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@viscid hazel thank you so much. going to reset and rebuild cause i was currently stuck at 5-20

low bridge
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Someone mind helping me? :3

viscid hazel
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@glossy rune keep in mind tho position 1 gets targeted by 3 so maybe switch Lucius and hogan around sometimes cause hogan is e+

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@low bridge be so kind and post ur full heroes dabsi

ember bane
ancient hound
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@low bridge
Saveas
Brutus
Arden
Warek
Shemira

low bridge
gloomy haven
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Suggestions based on whom I have? I’m doing my best to make sure everyone has at least E+ gear in every slot while slowly replacing with L gear.

low bridge
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Thanks for the help so far guys! :)

ancient hound
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@low bridge or try this if previous doesnt work
Nemora
Brutus
Lyca
Lucius
Arden

glossy rune
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@viscid hazel while im on the topic of resetting how should i distribute the levels to that line up you gave me

low bridge
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@ancient hound I will try, thank you!

ancient hound
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@gloomy haven don't go full L gear. Save up for Mythic. Maybe get weapon on your carry L/L+ but no more.

viscid hazel
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@glossy rune savers and mirael ~10 lvls higher than rest I guess don’t known exactly look for skill lvls on your dps

lucid grove
low bridge
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@ancient hound The latter worked out, tahnks a lot!

ember bane
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@ancient hound can i suggests me a team ty

viscid hazel
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@lucid grove consider running 3rd wilder for faction bonus instead of morvus. Maybe use ira for now

ancient hound
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@ember bane
Belinda
Lucius
Arden
Saveas
Nemora
You might have to try couple of times, make sure Nemora charms Saveas. Pretty sure u should make it.

viscid hazel
shrewd shadow
viscid hazel
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@shrewd shadow shemira up front and replace hogan with Tasi / Arden

shrewd shadow
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@viscid hazel doesnt seem to help much. Lucius insta dying

viscid hazel
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@shrewd shadow don’t know if your shemira can tank saveas did u swap those 2

crystal rapids
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I feel you on that unascended lucius

atomic thicket
ember bane
viscid hazel
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Saveas
Brutus
Athalia
Vedan
Arden
@crystal rapids

shrewd shadow
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@viscid hazel seems like no1 is able to Tank him 😂 shemira also dies pretty Quick on top

gloomy haven
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My shemira dies near instantly when I have her in the front, so I hear ya lol

viscid hazel
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@shrewd shadow use Brutus then. Use the line up I told ya with Brutus for Lucius

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@gloomy haven unlucky, overlevel her dabsi shemira

fading cipher
ancient hound
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@ember bane what is the problem with the line-up?

gloomy haven
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I have her (Shemira) in crystal atm and was overleveling Silvina atm... should I switch that and have her my highest? I have 4 at 100 and Silvina at 133

ember bane
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@ancient hound Saveas Nemora dies quickly, need to kill enemy Saveas fast

viscid hazel
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@gloomy haven shemira is only epic do you can’t level her over 100 on her own. Only with the crystal tasi

gloomy haven
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Gotcha so she's fine where she's at then 😂

atomic thicket
viscid hazel
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@atomic thicket if you post a pic of the stage it’s a pleasure for me to suggest a line up

vivid stag
atomic thicket
viscid hazel
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@atomic thicket
Nemora (replay few times to charm Brutus)
Brutus
Tasi
Thoran
Atahlia
Enemy silvina needs to go on Tasi tho give her lower gear than Nemora

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@vivid stag consider running Fawkes instead of Nemora u will keep x3 faction buff with maulers

vivid stag
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Hmmm havent considered that ima try it thx

viscid hazel
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@vivid stag Play around with his positioning tho cause trapped enemies spawn in front of him afterwards.

vivid stag
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Ye but the only problem is that i don't have the items for him xD

atomic thicket
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@viscid hazel I'm impressed, first try. Thank you alot!

grizzled lodge
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Who's better: Shemira or Bellinda?

viscid hazel
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@atomic thicket lol ofc no need to thank me, I’m here to help

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@grizzled lodge i would go shemira 10 out of 10 times but some ppl like Belinda. I think she’s only good lategame ascended +

grizzled lodge
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ok thx

brittle summit
viscid hazel
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@brittle summit Brutus instead of estrilda and Fawkes on top Belinda middle

viscid hazel
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U lack dmg in your line up
Try
Tasi/Arden
Hogan
Saveas
Lucius
Belinda

willow merlin
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@viscid hazel thane not enough? Is he bad?

viscid hazel
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Thane is decent but Belinda has more dps

willow merlin
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All my hero died in 20 seconds, i think need level up, right?

viscid hazel
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@willow merlin what’s the problem?

mild bobcat
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help I'm stuck here, any suggestions?

viscid hazel
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@dusky sage I’d try shemira up front. Estrilda can’t really tank saveas.
Do you have a mauler hero for crystal khasos for example?
Estrilda
Shemira
Khasos!?
Brutus
Saveas

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@mild bobcat Tasi for Nemora for cc ? If that doesn’t work
Athalia
Brutus
Lyca? Unsure
Shemira
Saveas

mild bobcat
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@viscid hazel thanks!

viscid hazel
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@willow merlin yep that looks like u need to lvl up dabsi unlucky, wait 1or 2 days and u will beat it

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U are also close to 101s that’s pretty huge for a lot of heroes

willow merlin
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@viscid hazel what do u prefer? Leveling up saveas till 120, or leveling other till 101?

viscid hazel
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Saveas 120

willow merlin
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@viscid hazel thanks

viscid hazel
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Then others 101 Lucius 101 is huge cause he gets dmg reduction

versed canopy
edgy seal
vast coral
still oar
#

Charm ferael? That what I'd do

pale kettle
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Use nemora

high summit
pulsar breach
#

Guys, what should I focus on? I got faction scroll ready.

wispy vine
#

any ideas on how to push passed this? ive mixed it up with arden as well. brutus dies first along with anything else i throw in that slot. just trying to sneak passed this one to finish ch 15 so i will get my 4th shem copy to ascend passed m+

still oar
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You really need rng. If you can charm ferael you might have the chance

pale kettle
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I think I don’t have the level, but does anyone still have an idea ?

restive tangle
quick idol
delicate pelican
fallow maple
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was stuck at this 1 hour ago, i was able to make it through with more levels, had 2 heroes on 100 and one 91

quick idol
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Try saveas tasi Belinda as your backline @delicate pelican

delicate pelican
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doesnt work, guess i'm too weak xD

fallow maple
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yeah its a tough battle

pale kettle
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@delicate pelican try tasi for saveas

gloomy lily
fallow maple
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just try to finish everything else, each day and collect the daily exp. You will make it through in a few days

pale kettle
wise merlin
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@delicate pelican Hello.

I would try this formation;

Saveas
Estrilda / Brutus (depends on who survives more)
Tasi
Hogan
Nemora

Refresh so the RNG will have Nemora charm Ankhira resulting in her cc'ing on her own allies, and Tasi not teleporting into enemy line.

Best of luck! 🙏 space

fallow maple
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oh wait thats actually the level before the golus/brutus stage.

gloomy lily
pale kettle
wise merlin
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@pale kettle You can ascend L Hogan using E+ Hogan to L+, and use it on Lucius 😶

pale kettle
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hmmm but rly, my luck sucks alot

wise merlin
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Lolno

pale kettle
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you got lucius x5 times, I got one for free that was a bonus when i started

wise merlin
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L Shem, L+ LB fodder ready, Athalia and Ezizh E+, another 2 Lucius and 2 Belinda Clones E+

pale kettle
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@pale kettle what stage? you get shemira for peaks of times and for stage 14 complete

wise merlin
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@pale kettle Which peaks of time?

pale kettle
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@wise merlin the ones with diesappearing platfrorms

wise merlin
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@pale kettle 😶 I'm only at the Far Frontier

pale kettle
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@wise merlin this are next ones if i read correctly, not sure cuz Im not on english game version

glass granite
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@pale kettle try using raine and timing her ult to go right before silvinas then turn auto on. Tell me how that goes ( put her on the crystal obvi )

wise merlin
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6th peaks of time

pale kettle
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so im in a okay position?

glass granite
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I use that tactic all the time and it can knock out an entire team in like 10 seconds

pale kettle
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yea 7th are the ones you're looking for @wise merlin

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@pale kettle try replacing estrilda with ogi

wise merlin
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@pale kettle Ok ty ^^

pale kettle
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@pale kettle if you use saveas you gotta put him ahead on lvls to carry you, swap lucius and estrilda on spots at least or as the other guy said try ogi, you can even try mirael in middle back for 5 man bonus to lb

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The fact is that every formation I use it gets one shotted, this is the best hp/dps formation that I have

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I don't have gear for Mirael sadly

stark coral
pale kettle
wise oxide
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Hey guys quick question, is this the best line-up I can try 12-40 with? Tried at least a dozen times but I can't seem to kill brutus and vedan on any try

livid gale
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Been struggling here for 24 hours. Tried many combinations and just think I’m still too weak. Who should I level?

wise oxide
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@livid gale just some quick thinking from me here, but maybe you could try to get lightborn faction bonus? maybe switch your arden and serius with belinda and estrilda? the 15% hp and attack is really huge

narrow thicket
trail gulch
narrow thicket
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@trail gulch what stage is that?

still oar
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Use shemira and Brutus ezpz @narrow thicket

narrow thicket
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@still oar lmfao

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I have isabelle, will that work?

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She is powered by shemiras

still oar
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Make her transform to sheepmira

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Baaaaaaa

frigid veldt
trail gulch
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@narrow thicket 11-16

narrow thicket
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Use that

trail gulch
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I wish I had that pink girl -_-

narrow thicket
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Your much higher leveled so even with slightly different ascensions you should be fine

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Oh no lyca? Sad :(

trail gulch
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Yes haha - I am sad, she's the cutest

azure kite
#

whats a good counter to ogi?

narrow thicket
#

@azure kite anything that does more damage then he has hp

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But if you cant do that then lucius and brutus are good substitutes

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Basically anything that benefits from being put up against something that kills slowly

still oar
#

Estrilda.

narrow thicket
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^

still oar
#

Her push really naisu

finite meteor
round quest
wise merlin
#

@narrow thicket :o?

drowsy marlin
wise merlin
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@drowsy marlin To pass 12-12 you need level 141 to be your minimum for Crystal.

I'm afraid it's not doable until then

half ermine
#

fawkes to legendary or raine to legendary?

grizzled grotto
#

Hey, I’ve been stuck on 11-8 for a week or so now and was just wondering if it was my lineup or if I just need to wait on power spikes? I try switching up the order and swapping Safiya for Nara as well but doesn’t seem to help at all

whole bobcat
#

any tips for 17-40??

olive thorn
#

what's 17-40 @whole bobcat

whole bobcat
wanton spoke
olive thorn
#

Nemora
Brutus
Lyca
Shem
Arden

whole bobcat
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thx

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mh gollus knocks my shemira back to fast, so no ultimate use

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worked with tasi instead of nemora

pale kettle
steel moth
#

New to the game... can anyone give me some tips? What is my best line up?

violet igloo
#

I'm feeling that Saveas is reaching it's carry limit. How could I change my lineup ?

viscid hazel
#

@violet igloo sadly you don’t have Tasi but u can try
Nemora
Shemira
Lyca
Brutus
Arden
Give Arden lower gear so silvina focuses him then gets killed by Brutus

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@steel moth I would recommend running 3 graveborns for now probably with hogan and nemora

violet igloo
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@viscid hazel I'm really sad I don't have Tasi. I use all my faction scrolls on wilder hero's but no luck.

viscid hazel
#

@steel moth but shemira should be highest level over tanks and supports propably shemira Nara +10 lvls and Thoran nemora hogan bit lower keep saveas around he’s a good carry early as well

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@violet igloo sad dabsi tasi tasi

ember bane
viscid hazel
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@ember bane what about
Tasi
Shemira
Lyca
Saveas / lucius if he gets his ult off
Arden

violet igloo
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@viscid hazel should I put Shemira to level 180 or something?

narrow thicket
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@wise merlin you can pass 12-12 without 141 crystal o.o

viscid hazel
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My shemira is 180 rest 150-160 I’m running solo carry shemira with Brutus and wilders works quite well shemira dabsi brutus

narrow thicket
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I passed it with 120 crystal

violet igloo
#

180 or 181?

viscid hazel
#

180 not enough gb fodder

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And mythic is capped at 180

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@violet igloo since u dont have tasi i dont know if it works that well tho

narrow scarab
#

15-36

violet igloo
#

Feelsbadman. And I would need 2 tasi at least.

robust magnet
violet igloo
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@viscid hazel do you put Duran's call on Shemira?

viscid hazel
#

@violet igloo i usually use the immunity or the crit

tough trail
#

@robust magnet i beat 15-40 with brutus in place of lyca, then forced nemora to charm farael, i.e. reset whenever she doesn't

primal torrent
viscid hazel
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@primal torrent why not put shemira instead of tasi u get x5 maulers

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u can also run tasi lyca athalia + saveas and khasos

steel moth
#

Thanks @viscid hazel

viscid hazel
#

@steel moth did u beat ur stage?

pulsar breach
wise merlin
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@narrow thicket SMH.

narrow thicket
#

@wise merlin merek_dio

steel moth
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Nope @viscid hazel. But it’s good to know that u prioritize the damage dealer instead of the tanks and supports

viscid hazel
#

was a pleasure to help u

hasty fjord
restive tangle
violet igloo
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@viscid hazel I just bought 120 elites stones and got 2 trash graveborn heroes and also 10x summon and didn't even get an epic. This game can be so frustrating

viscid hazel
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@violet igloo ya lol

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at least u got gb fodder for shemira dabsi

hasty fjord
#

I expect that kind of stuff to happen. I used to play other afk games and it was the same. Even when I did get a good summon, I could never get duplicates of what I needed. I just learned to take a step back and make due with what I have.

primal torrent
viscid hazel
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@primal torrent ya i heard theres a bug that she dodges everything

hasty fjord
#

Try using yours against her lol

primal torrent
#

Haha. I might lol. Not looking like I'm gonna get a reward this lab

hasty fjord
#

This lab I had to use 4 vials to best it.

faint adder
#

WE NEED CALLUM

violet igloo
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@viscid hazel does gb fodder mean garbage fodder?

viscid hazel
#

@restive tangle definetly put shemira front and athalia vs niru
nemora
shemira
seirus or ulmus or ira w.e any wilder
brutus
athalia

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@violet igloo gb means graveborn

violet igloo
#

Ty

pale kettle
spring igloo
trail gulch
cerulean shore
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@pale kettle hahaha yeah, that tasi lyca shemira is crazy good

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@spring igloo maybe brutus shemira athalia arden nemora is better

broken wedge
viscid hazel
#

@pale kettle grezhul can also carry super hard with shemira

cerulean shore
#

@trail gulch put athalia on top, and try shemira instead of saveas, tasi area sleep is good combination for area damage like shemira

crisp helm
trail gulch
#

@cerulean shore trying now

spring igloo
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@cerulean shore no

broken wedge
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Can anyone help with mine

broken horizon
cerulean shore
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@crisp helm that's kinda hard, that niru silvina with saveas

broken horizon
broken wedge
cerulean shore
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@broken wedge try to find a way to save arden from silvina i guess

crisp helm
#

what do you recommend @cerulean shore

broken wedge
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Ok

cerulean shore
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@broken horizon brutus is the best tank, period lol

digital hedge
cerulean shore
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@crisp helm you just need shemira and you get one of the best line up for now
brutus shemira nemora lyca tasi, tottally great till late game

digital hedge
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Any suggestions?

cerulean shore
#

@broken horizon idk if this good
but i prefer something like thoran shemira nemora nara and tasi

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@digital hedge do you have athalia?

digital hedge
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Yes

cerulean shore
#

maybe athalia lucius belinda arden and tasi will be good

digital hedge
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Nope they're dead

cerulean shore
#

oh wait, do you have brutus?

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brutus is saveas's counter
have you tried something like hogan lucius eironn arden and bellinda
@digital hedge

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that is if eironn suck saveas though

cerulean shore
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@dull mirage im not sure, your team has a lot of cc but lack of damge i guess
saveas isn't area damage dealer, so even with a lot of cc the fight might be hard
and shemira isnt high level enough, shemira can really tank after level 161

vague inlet
#

Do me a favour guys and tell me the best 5 out of my pool to make a decent lineup

cerulean shore
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shemira and tasi is great in late game, but not very much in early.
i think seirus is great too, the damage is decent and the stun is just great.
arden is good, extremely good in level 141.

pale kettle
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Ulmus, Seirus, Arden, Kaz, Ira

wise merlin
#

@dull mirage Hey there!

Have you received an answer and / or passed the level? If not, feel free to ping me! ^^

pale kettle
#

For right now, that's what I'd do @vague inlet

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Arden is good all the way up until 160. Hell, 180 even if you don't get a replacement

young vigil
#

Really not sure what to run here, tried multiple things like having double dps to kill vedan, but then niru just destroys the rest of my team. any suggestions? ty

vague inlet
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@pale kettle thanks man I’ll give it a go

wise merlin
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@young vigil Swap Mirael for Arden, you have enough DPS, not enough cc!

dull mirage
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Hi @wise merlin, probably as what @cerulean shore said, my heroes lack for area dmg heroes, it's kinda hard for me to kill vedan and niru, my Belinda kinda weak

wise merlin
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@dull mirage Okay, best of luck to you! ^^

fading cipher
rugged marten
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@fading cipher I'd say Nemora bottom, to charm Estrilda so you can stop her charging your team and steal her inspire

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Tasi out

wise merlin
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@fading cipher Best gear on Brutus, best gear on Shemira, upgrade them both as much as you can but prioritize mythic gear for more probable damage.

abstract belfry
#

13 summons in 2 weeks = 2 elite card. afk sucks

wise merlin
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@abstract belfry Better than 1 elite card. 😶

broken horizon
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@abstract belfry 13? you should be summoning by 10's

abstract belfry
#

yeah by 10

rugged marten
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@abstract belfry this isn't the place to talk about your summons

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Keep it clear for those that need help please

wise merlin
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@broken horizon Means he summoned 130 heroes. 13 times

broken horizon
#

I see, new account then? I could never get enough to summon that much lol

wise merlin
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🤷

viscid hazel
#

@fading cipher 15-40 is waiting for you

fading cipher
#

I still have a ways to go

viscid hazel
#

Tbh I can’t beat it yet with ~500k

urban egret
#

can i get some help here? all heroes that are level are shown in the pic, stuck on 7-36

little stream
elder nova
wanton spoke
versed forge
fierce kayak
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@versed forge Shem before 161 can't replace Sav in most cases. I use the same team as you almost, with my Shem 161 and will be able to past these stages. Shem replacing Sav position.

I don't think Sav should be bottom, he will die in an instance I guess. Nemora can try be bottom to charm sav or golus

exotic falcon
#

Thoughts? I get to like two enemies left with half health and then lose. I have run it a dozen or so times.

pale kettle
#

Lucius over Hogan is an obvious one imo

fierce kayak
#

@exotic falcon need to see your full roster. Don't use Hogan.. he is like a snack to GB. Use your tasi. Can try tasi/nemora as offtank.

exotic falcon
#

I’m only 8 days in. That pretty much is my roster. Lol

wanton spoke
fierce kayak
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@exotic falcon wow.. You whale? Lol. Remove Belinda and Hogan. Use tasi. Another hero can try which works better? Lucius, hellborn, thogan, tasi, nemora.. anyone that won't die as quickly as Hogan.

exotic falcon
#

I will try both your suggestions. What’s a whale in this context? Lol

fierce kayak
#

Pay to play

exotic falcon
#

I am fat if that’s what you mean. 🤷🏼‍♂️ lol

wanton spoke
#

Everyone said to get Sav to 120 but not working I guess I should reset

fierce kayak
#

@wanton spoke keep everyone else 100/101.. keep pumping Sav till you can't. Then level your tank next.

Try use Arden over tasi. Or use fawkes instead to trap Brutus?

Actually try use fawkes over tasi.

steep cape
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@wanton spoke don’t reset

wanton spoke
#

Ok thanks guys! Will do! Appreciate the help

steep cape
#

Use Hogan lucious Fawkes then use sav top back and khaos top mid. Hogan in front of Brutus lucious in front of centaur (cant remember name)

pale kettle
steep cape
#

Sav does not do well when forced to face centaur first @wanton spoke

fierce kayak
#

@wanton spoke nvm.. I just realised Siliva is there too...

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But Sav top he can't kill Brutus too I think

steep cape
#

He should have no issue killing Brutus with Hogan in front

wanton spoke
#

Ok will try these suggestions now

fierce kayak
#

Maybe.. just try @wanton spokeidabella

wanton spoke
#

👍

fierce kayak
#

Have to play around.. sometimes I also dunno how I get past the stage.. lol..

steep cape
#

@pale kettle reset Isabella and put resources to get sav to 160. Put mirael in resonator instead. Then run 3 graveborn sav and either Lyca or Hogan

trim moat
#

Any help on 8-40 silvina is destroying my entire team ,niru can’t be killed and if I kill them issabella is cleaning up I tried with Arden \ khasos too

steep cape
#

Put sav bottom front or back (try both)

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^ @pale kettle

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@trim moat run fawkes instead if mirael then switch sav to top back. If fawkes traps brutus then run athalia as well to bring Isabella closer

trim moat
#

Brutus isn’t really a problem tbh, he’s trapping Niru, just niru and Isabella left on the ground

livid terrace
rugged marten
#

@livid terrace you need Lyca's haste, try;

Lyca
Shem
Arden
Brutus
Nem/tasi
(bait for Silvina, will die but you need Arden roots more)

glass oracle
rugged marten
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@glass oracle Shem top, she should be able to tank Grez, Arden will be more use to you than Tasi for that stage

glass oracle
#

I fodder my Arden already 😭

rugged marten
#

You need an Arden ASAP honestly, he will save you so much hassle

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I'm in chapter 22 and I still use mine @glass oracle

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You definitely don't wanna fodder Arden

glass oracle
#

I guess rebuild

rugged marten
#

Yeah, then keep him

glass oracle
#

I get close to beating it just energy stops regen every time I get close to full

rugged marten
#

What relics you running?

glass oracle
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Shem-call, luci-drape, nemo-grace, lyca-eye

rugged marten
#

@glass oracle try frontline Shem and eye on her, the crit helps her out a bunch

grizzled lodge
rugged marten
#

And Call on Lucius/Nemora, Grace on the other

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@grizzled lodge I'd say if you have a crystal spot, take Fawkes out and put Khasos in the team, it'll amp Saveas dps with the life leech

grizzled lodge
#

ok thx

glass oracle
#

Thanks for help @rugged marten I ll give that a try

rugged marten
#

👍

pale kettle
restive tangle
rugged marten
#

@restive tangle use Athalia to stun important heroes, not just random cannon fodder heroes

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@pale kettle there's no single best team, but in general I'd say Brutus, Saveas, Lyca, Tasi, Arden, Belinda and Lucius are your current top heroes for progressing

pale kettle
rugged marten
#

@pale kettle that's an awkward state because Golus and Sav bottom but Brutus up top so Shem will get shredded in either position, try eye on Shem and swap Tasi out for Nemora and try to charm either Vurk out of his poison vial throw so it lands on an enemy or charm enemy Sav so he can kill his team

edgy seal
livid terrace
#

@rugged marten you want me to use Nem/Tasi as bait?

pale kettle
rugged marten
#

@livid terrace yes, Arden root will help you a lot more to suppress the enemy team to buy your Shem enough time to kill the enemy team

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@pale kettle drop Saveas, use Brutus

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Also put Shem up top, Ira bleed cuts healing by 50%

weak fiber
rugged marten
#

@weak fiber what Maulers do you have, the ones off screen

weak fiber
#

Skreg and warek

rugged marten
#

Ahh nvm then

obsidian ember
#

whatd be a good team for map 10, mostly hypogeans and maulers

rugged marten
#

141 crystal will be huge when you eventually reach it, turns Ardens root to 3 targets, and Brutus immunity to 7 seconds, you might just need levels honestly, you're running a pretty solid team there, but I'd definitely work on getting 1 Nem from the Lab store when you get the chance to buy 2 in the same month, her charm is super helpful to have access to @weak fiber

pale kettle
half terrace
rugged marten
#

@obsidian ember Saveas, Brutus, Lyca and Nem would make a staple chunk of your team, then use the 5th slot to switch in heroes that would seem to be most suited to tackle each individual stage, Numisu, Kaz and Serius won't be bad options

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@pale kettle tasi out, Nem in, charm Estrilda out of her charge and you can steal her inspire that way too

Arden
Brutus
Lyca
Shem
Nem

lapis sand
rugged marten
#

@half terrace swap Lyca and Saveas, you're level capped because Lyca's max level is 100 due to her ascension level, then I'd recommend running mostly Maulers, something like Saveas, Brutus, Khasos, then Nem, Lyca and Belinda, depending on what suits the stage better

half terrace
#

ok

lapis sand
#

@rugged marten u mind helping me out?

rugged marten
#

Was just waiting for second pic to load lol @lapis sand

lapis sand
#

Oh mb

rugged marten
#

If you can immune Brutus relatively early, put Saveas bottom, if not then you need levels or else you won't have the dps to clear the stage without getting overrun

lapis sand
#

@rugged marten who do I lvl? And swap saveos and nemora spots?

rugged marten
#

Yes, swap them and focus on getting Saveas to level 100 as he is your main carry, but I'd also try and get level 61 for your crystal so your ascended tier heroes unlock their 4th perk

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@lapis sand

lapis sand
#

Okay thank you

clever thistle
#

Which characters should I use🤔

urban egret
pale kettle
#

@rugged marten wow dude! I really appreciate it. That worked like a charm.

rugged marten
#

@pale kettle awesome 👍

urban egret
#

all heroes shown

rugged marten
#

@urban egret I'd use Lyca over Arden honestly, her haste is extremely strong, also there's a lot of CC at the bottom so keep your carry (Saveas) away from that, so swap Estrilda and him

urban egret
#

kk

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they still fucked me up

rugged marten
#

You probably just need levels then honestly, unless you're capped on levels, afk to level up heroes is the safest bet to guarantee progress @urban egret

urban egret
#

kk

rugged marten
#

Always worth to give it a bunch of tries to see how rng plays out for you

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Also you maxed out your unions for the respective heroes that you are using? They have a great impact once you hit the third upgrade @urban egret

urban egret
#

yeah i guess i steam rolled thru the other bosses on chapter 7 this one is just one shotting me cuz of the CC

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Unions?

rugged marten
#

These, they provide passive bonuses to the heroes within each one

placid dirge
urban egret
#

oh yeah i did that as much as i. could. how does that work anyway ?

rugged marten
#

The Saveas, Numisu and Vurk one grants dodge, 15% crit chance and 10% max health, which is huge for Saveas as his damage is amplified by is health @urban egret

dawn edge
rugged marten
#

@placid dirge that 22-44?

placid dirge
#

Yes @rugged marten

ember bane
rugged marten
#

Ask Kyree, cleared it a few hours ago, I'm yet to get to that stage aha 😅 @placid dirge

urban trellis
urban egret
placid dirge
dawn edge
#

The right one @urban egret

urban egret
#

Belinda?

rugged marten
#

@ember bane try getting the faction bonus for your team, it'll help, Khasos has huge amounts of synergy with Saveas so definitely worth throwing him in, also I'd put Hogan in your pentagram, you wanna get that 141 crystal level, it's huge for a lot of heroes

placid dirge
#

@urban egret dont ascend any of them you need more fodder

urban egret
#

ah okay

wraith jungle
rugged marten
#

@wraith jungle tasi out, bait Silvina onto Nemora and out Arden in

Try this;

Lyca
Shem
Arden
Brutus
Nem (bait)

wraith jungle
#

Okay, lemme' give that a shot.

rugged marten
#

Make sure Nemora has lower defence than Arden of course

south sedge
#

I'm a newer player that keeps getting stuck early on, what team would you guys use from what I have to push through to mid game?

wraith jungle
#

@rugged marten Yeah, she served as bait okay. The problem is that I can't seem to get to Vedan in time, and once he goes batty it's game over. He easily wipes everyone but Brutus, but he's left with so little HP that he can't recover.

rugged marten
#

What relics you running? @wraith jungle

wraith jungle
#

Shem - Dura's Grace, Brutus - Dura's Blade, Lyca - Dura's Eye, Tasi - Dura's Call, Nem - Dura's Drape. That's all I have so far. I honestly haven't given much thought to them.... which I know is kinda' stupid.

rugged marten
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@wraith jungle Blade on Shem, Eye on Brutus, Drape on Arden, Grace on Lyca and Call on Nem (if she survives initial Silv burst, if not, then try call on Shem)

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But Brutus should almost exclusively have Eye on

wraith jungle
#

Rock on. Let me give that a whirl. And thanks for the Brutus tip.

rugged marten
#

And Shem should only alternate between Blade and Call

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If tasi is needed, call is prioritised on her, but otherwise, Shem is the most valuable hero for it

wraith jungle
#

Hmmmm... that kinda' worked better in the sense that I lasted for more than 20 seconds, but I still got insta-wiped by Niru and Vedan.

rugged marten
#

Play around with your relics, see how much that changes things, also the Wilder trio is extremely reliant on rng so always worth trying 10 times before changing anything unless there is a problem staring you right in the face with a better alternative in sight @wraith jungle

wraith jungle
#

Rock on. Thanks for the tips in general. I think I might just be underleveled for now, as well. But I'm stuck in getting my Shem and Brutus higher because my Nem, Tasi, and Lyca (the others on the resonating crystal) are only 153. Once they reach 160, I can start moving Shem up.

rugged marten
#

👍

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But i had 200 Shem and 160 heroes and got into chapter 20 with it @wraith jungle

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So you might be surprised what a little patience and a lot of luck gives lol

wraith jungle
#

@rugged marten LOL Very nice! I'm hoping that once I get that trio to 160, I'll be able to really start moving up. But that's 21 levels between them, which feels like a lot. I guess that's why they call it AFK, eh?

rugged marten
#

Yeah haha pretty much

wraith jungle
#

Ah, sumnabitch!!! I was ROLLING on that last run. Arden, Shem, and Brutus were almost all full health and Arden randomly hit them with a second rooting. Then Vedan and Niru both did their thing a the same time and wiped them all. Argh!

rugged marten
#

Unlucky, looks promising though, you got this 💪

wraith jungle
#

I think I'm most disappointed in Shem on this level. She is basically useless. She barely even gets an ult off, if I'm lucky. How can graveborn enemies melt her so quickly?

rugged marten
#

Graveborn are pretty much all out offence

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Wait until lyou come across frontline Kaz and have to put Shem vs her 😂😂

wraith jungle
#

True. But you would think that the faction thing would at least go in my favor somewhat.

rugged marten
#

That's infuriating

lapis sand
rugged marten
#

@lapis sand it might sound strange, but use Ogi instead of Hogan, better faction bonus

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But ofc not gonna be as tanky vs Maulers

wraith jungle
#

@rugged marten I think I'm going to give up for the time being and focus on leveling. I tried ~20 times and switched things around as much as I can, but I just can't get over the Vedan hurdle. I have yet to kill him, or to seemingly do any damage at all. He just insta-wipes everyone no matter what their health is.

rugged marten
#

Ahh fair enough, you'll get it with a few levels for sure though @wraith jungle

lapis sand
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@rugged marten I'm going to reset hogan hes an elite plus. Is that okay?

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And who else do I put in the front

rugged marten
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@lapis sand it'd be ideal if you crystal for Ogi instead

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@lapis sand I use Tasi on my alt account, her teleport serves enough purpose to keep her alive in most cases

crisp coral
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Hey, would love suggestion, this line-up pushed me greatly from chap10, seems like it wont do it here... also, should I keep lvling Brutus? or from now on split the xp between those wilders? ty 😃

raven nebula
olive thorn
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@placid dirge u still need help

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?

sonic scroll
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So Belinda, Fawkes, Raine or horse lady

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I've got two Elite+ Hogan's that I can use to ascend btw

wheat patio
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which 3 of nemora, lyca, tasi, and arden should i run for my backline?

fallow mauve
wheat patio
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@sonic scroll id say belinda

sonic scroll
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@wheat patio thanks man

wheat patio
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@sonic scroll np, belinda was my first legendary and i havent regretted it

sonic scroll
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Ahhh that's good to hear 😃

fallow mauve
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@wheat patio can u help me as well man

wheat patio
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@fallow mauve id say switch athalia for someone else bc we arent gonna get many athalias compared other units

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youre gonna hit a max level that u need to ascend to get past and any other unit would be easier to ascend

fallow mauve
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Ok

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Who should i try to switch her with,who’s decent

wheat patio
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hogan has been doing wonders for me personally

naive kelp
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I’m in desperate need of help

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I’m at a loss cryingmirael

iron dome
tacit kayak
fresh storm
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@iron dome try swapping the front two, put the arden in the middle and nemora on top with tasi at bottom

iron dome
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@naive kelp if Tasi can survive the silvina until she teleports, try
Belinda
Ulmus
Lyca
Brutus
Tasi

And repeat until tasi gets her ult off with everyone surviving. Also, Arden helps a lot once you get him to root 2 people ( as seen in my picture, only problem is Khasos nuking In a line)

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@fresh storm That was my first lineup, without the backline CC even Lucius wasn't surviving the Saveas. And the backline is getting annihilated by khasos immediately

primal pivot
tough salmon
hasty fjord
fresh storm
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@iron dome i think its just a waiting game then, maybe until you level up a saveas/brutus

iron dome
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@fresh storm I could make a legendary Saveas right now if I use another E+ Saveas to make it

fresh storm
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sav will carry until at least CH13

restive tangle
iron dome
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@fresh storm Don't even know how to build a team around him. Been using Shem+ Tasi since the start

wintry bough
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!rank

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XMARK6 Jernyman, this command is disabled in this channel

delicate trout
viscid hazel
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@wintry bough
Baden
Shemira
Ferael
Hogan
Belinda

wintry bough
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got it, I'll give it a try. Any advice on who I should be focusing on?

tacit kayak
viscid hazel
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@delicate trout I’d say yes because u don’t need estrilda anyways (used mine for Lucius as well) but u are getting to the point where tanks other thank Brutus are bad cause they are under leveled and won’t survive without immunity so I don’t thin mythic Lucius will get u far.

edgy seal
viscid hazel
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@wintry bough I would recommend shemira that’s what I always do cause she’s shemira shemira dabsi

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@edgy seal ? Are u losing to 1 exizh?

delicate trout
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@viscid hazel but as u see, if i had L+ brutus, i will fodder my L+ saveas to him asap, so is it better to get a M belinda for me? Or still lucius?

edgy seal
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@viscid hazel lmao Yea the battle lasts like 40 sec with him having half HP left

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Overestimated him lol, its hard mode in labyrinth

viscid hazel
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@delicate trout I use standard line up Brutus shemira wilders and I’m not a fan of Belinda. Yet I’m still using Lucius for peaks of time. Furthermore don’t fodder ur saveas into Brutus u will need maulers for the kings tower u will unlock faction towers soon

wintry bough
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@viscid hazel thanks for advice, almost got it on first try. Saveas just barely got me :/

viscid hazel
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@edgy seal LOL try Tasi nemora Arden to cc him

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@wintry bough replay few times If it doesn’t work u can try Arden for Belinda shemira has 1v5 potential with cc and buffs

delicate trout
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@viscid hazel this is so sad dude, why they make this game soo harrdd ulricry
But that's the fun part lul

viscid hazel
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Haha brutus

edgy seal
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@viscid hazel who in front?

delicate trout
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Seems like i need to make my shem M 1st before i fodder my estrilda, thanks dude @viscid hazel