2011-2014 Kia Sportage

[limber nimbus]

Looking for any and all advice from owners based in Europe, preferably UK or IE.

[pearl hinge]

Kia, Hyundai, and genesis are all 🔥 🗑️

[limber nimbus]

Alright, cheers 😄

[pearl hinge]

Anything with a Hyundai GDI engine is unreliable

[limber nimbus]

Thats more of an America produced model problem

[pearl hinge]

No

They are all cheaply built

Get a crv if you want that type of vehicle

[limber nimbus]

I dont know what to tell you man, thats what I've been told

[limber nimbus]

Cant

[pearl hinge]

I don’t care Hyundai’s are garbage cars. They brand was firstly built on the process of disposable vehicles.

Think about it; the only old Kia, Hyundais, and genesis vehicles you see are the ones given a miata’s engine.

They are shit vehicles that have had oil lubrications issues since the start of time.

If you want a knocker buy a Hyundai.

Kia or genesis

Same brand

[limber nimbus]

We dont have Genesis here

[pearl hinge]

Kia and genesis are all the same as Hyundai

That is why they share parts and engines

[limber nimbus]

Look, I appreciate the effort to put me off Kia/Hyundai, but I've kind of fallen in love with the Sportage (Also the IX35), so just giving off about it isn't really helping. There's really no other good 1.7L SUV over here which can tick the box

[wanton mist]

GG @limber nimbus, you just advanced to level 2! Chat more to level up and earn top roles!

[pearl hinge]

I am just warning you

If you are fine with engine lubrication failure, knocking, and engine failure. Go ahead

At least it is not one of the vehicles Hyundai tells you to party outside your house because it has a possibility of catching on fire

Lol

[limber nimbus]

I mean, over here they were given a 7 year warranty by KIA when they released in 2011, which was unheard of. Some of them are still going with that warranty as they have not reached the 100k mileage cap

If a brand is willing to slap a 7 year warranty on a car, thats gotta be worth something

[pearl hinge]

Go on forums and look at all of Hyundai’s GDI engine issues

[pearl hinge]

It’s 2023, not much of a warranty left

[limber nimbus]

Did a google there, the European models never suffered from the GDI issues

[limber nimbus]

Some haven't reached the mileage cap, so Kia replenishes the warranty until it reaches it

[pearl hinge]

What is different

[limber nimbus]

''The Hyundai/Kia Theta II engine problems stem from the North American engines being assembled at the Alabama plant if I recall correctly, and a deburring operation not being performed correctly.''

[pearl hinge]

That has nothing to do with cheap rod bearings or crank lubrication holes

[limber nimbus]

But has a lot to do with reliability

[pearl hinge]

“Assembled” aka the parts were not created their

[pearl hinge]

No, as the problems are part related

[limber nimbus]

Look, I'm not doubting your knowledge, but you seem to know a lot about the American side of things, where the European side seems to be suitable

[pearl hinge]

Dude I am telling u it is “part related”the problems are! It has nothing to do with assembly

[limber nimbus]

Ok, but the GDI issues apparently were due to poor assembly

I'm not denying they're cheap

But come on, 7 year warranty, and here in Ireland I see a lot of them going around, they clearly do fairly fine

[pearl hinge]

There are probably other problems other than lubrication issues that stem from poor assembly. The poor lubrication issues that I am telling you are part related. So unless the parts numbers of the crank and rod bearings are not the same; it will have the same lubrication issues

[limber nimbus]

Ah right

So, to sum it up, poor cars

[pearl hinge]

A few good apples do not decide a farmers earning

[limber nimbus]

Well said

Would you propose any other cars then which are similar?

[pearl hinge]

A decent crv should last you a lifetime

Toyotas are amazing too

Toyota’s are the best brand hands down and I am a Nissan guy.

[limber nimbus]

Yeah, I actually would buy them over a Kia all the way, its just the engine size which is the issue

Insurance here in Ireland is very expensive, and mandatory

[pearl hinge]

It’s one of those places, I see

[limber nimbus]

So, I have to stay within the bracket below 1.7L

[limber nimbus]

Huh?

[pearl hinge]

That have the literage crap

[limber nimbus]

Oh, yeah lol

So yeah, with a 1.7L engine, with AXA, I'm looking at around €2000 per year, with €500 possibly on top of that

A 2L, well, possibly €3000, and probably higher

Its just because I'm a young adult male, so the insurance is through the roof

[pearl hinge]

That is ridiculous

Let me think and do some looking around at some rides

I will get back to you

[limber nimbus]

I know, its nonsense, its just that Ireland is the most well-off country in Europe, so all these insurance companies come over here and rack up the prices because they can, and people pay them

[wanton mist]

GG @limber nimbus, you just advanced to level 3! Chat more to level up and earn top roles!

[limber nimbus]

Keep in mind that we dont have some American cars over here

[pearl hinge]

👍

Yaris/echo, Corolla (depending on year), civic (depending on year), Prius (I would only get a low mileage one; because of battery health and life), and Honda fit

Pretty sure most are available where u live.

Check out the fit, might suit u well

[torpid scarab]

Not gonna lie, I’ve always liked the Fit. Lol.

[limber nimbus]

Which, the look of them?

[torpid scarab]

Yeah I think they look great for their class.

[limber nimbus]

Any knowledge on them you could share?

[limber nimbus]

I'll be completely honest with you, absolutely hate them

[torpid scarab]

I don’t have experience with them. Just think they look good. It is a Honda product, and Honda make phenomenal engines

[limber nimbus]

Is it?

Kia no?

[torpid scarab]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Fit

[limber nimbus]

Oh right, never knew it

Yeah, its called the Jazz over here

[craggy jackal]

Get the 2023 civic

[pearl hinge]

I hate it when people don’t read the chat before commenting

[craggy jackal]

Cant be bothered

[pearl hinge]

Needs to be around 1.5L because of rules and regulations

[craggy jackal]

Civic 1.5T

[pearl hinge]

They make em in 1.5L in 2023? Thought it was only a 2.0

[craggy jackal]

bro

Since 2016 they offer 2.0 AND 1.5T

[pearl hinge]

Really didn’t know

[pearl hinge]

Sorry, I really don’t care that much about inline 4 fwd cars lmao

[craggy jackal]

Which are the only affordable cars

[pearl hinge]

I mean why 2023

This is their first car

They are already not wanting a bigger engine because it will increase the price of insurance

[craggy jackal]

?

[pearl hinge]

Yep

[craggy jackal]

1.5 is good enough

its small

low taxes

[pearl hinge]

Ya but I doubt they will buy a 2023

[craggy jackal]

Then 2016

[pearl hinge]

Yep

I think they want a more compact hatch though. Like the fit. I did list a civic though as an option so we’ll see what they get in the end

[craggy jackal]

Civic hatch

But if they want something smaller then i would recommend something like vw polo because i think fit/jazz is discontinued

[pearl hinge]

Why does it have to be something new? Like I said they are on a budget most likely as it is their first

It’s not even really discontinued in the sense of parts.

Every manufacturer has a heritage part’s program

[craggy jackal]

Its not new

also newer better

[pearl hinge]

Hard cap right there

Especially when you see the viscosity of oil newer cars are forced; to run to push out as much performance under emissions

Also if you look at brands such as merc and Nissan; their older models are way more reliable

And that is true with a majority of other brands. Same with certain and Toyota and Honda engines and models.

I would rather have my skyline than a brand new Hyundai

Tighter tolerances and factories in cheap countries doesn’t help either

Also they are getting to a point where they are no longer able to be worked on by the owner and require a specialist mechanic to work on em. A good example is the switch from a timing belt to a closed off timing chain with included lubrication ports built into the cover.

Gone with simplicity, reliability, and ease of access; in with high tolerances, emissions, and cheaper assembly.

[craggy jackal]

New models drive better

Handle better and are safer

And more quiet

high tolerance is a good thing

[pearl hinge]

They don’t handle better, safety being quiet is option of opinions. Higher tolerance is not a good thing in a engine pushing a minimum of 3-4k rpms; especially when the oil viscosity is getting more close to that of water.

Also they ain’t that much more quiet than 10 years ago lmao, some are even louder (other than hybrids and evs)

Safety (I guess if you are afraid of getting into an accident; which shows your lack of confidence), and the few years of warranty is the main factor with which average joes buy new cars.

other than that, no real reason for an average joe to get a new car other than wanting one off looks and taste. Usually most people with taste actually go older rather than newer.

[pearl hinge]

A can say with a fact, that the majority of people on this server with a civic don’t have a stock exhaust

Lol

[craggy jackal]

Im talking about wind and road noise.

[torpid scarab]

I figured. Such a better name lol

[pearl hinge]

Well that is false in a lot of cases too, look at maclarens. Also the new supras have one of the worst wind buffeting in existence.

[craggy jackal]

Bro

I sat in a 2014 and 2020 corolla and noise difference is insane

and ride quality

[jade hill]

I'd go with an old one just for the sake of repairability

[pearl hinge]

Older Corollas like sprinter handle way better than the newer corrolas; prove me wrong. They are legit go karts

[pearl hinge]

Seating and a softer suspension is probably it for the year difs in ride quality.

[craggy jackal]

Lol no

New ones have multi link independent rear suspension

And lower center of gravity

[pearl hinge]

So weight proportioning, size, drivetrain layout, and overall weight are nothing?

lol

aren't like all the newer corrola's fwd based too?