Bully
#Wuthering Waves
weak jay
normal egret
nah man just dodge him 
its day time for him
weak jay
scenic condor
nah i'll just block
normal egret
half a day ltr he will close himself back
scenic condor
i dont need this today
normal egret
marble sapphire
๐ฎ
marble sapphire
her ER requirement isnt that high
marble sapphire
Also, in 3.1 ||Luuk said he's watching over Nivora. But I suspect it's mainly an excuse to follow up the suspicion of her being secretly a fractsidus skinwalker lol||
old summit
because right now
I really need that shit
I only have 11
1*
and I need at minimum 3 more
nvm Im just gonna gamble on this
bruh
marble sapphire
Yes
old summit
i needed that energy regen tho
marble sapphire
Hey +1 substat
old summit
cuz im at 120% without it
old summit
marble sapphire
||https://fixupx.com/i/status/2020349031755706557|| I sure hope this is something
||Chisa's forte theoretically gives her an edge vs void matter...||
open copper
||Iโve seen a theory that Chisa was being groomed into being the Threnodian Resonator||
marble sapphire
Hm that seems too much
restive dirge
Tf have they done to the performance
I log in today and it feels a lot worse for some reason
marble sapphire
can i see your aemeath build
my WIP, offensive stats could be better but i'd be giving up ER
so i am farming echoes again
scenic condor
Tf have they done to the performance
probably nothing and thats the problem lool
marble sapphire
realization ||In 2.8, things that get swept up by voidmatter can end up in Honami so...how did Rover's ID end up there||
scenic condor
also i think amy wants atk/fusion
not double ele
she doesnt really have atk steroids
while she has so much dmg%
then again the diff is probably marginal either way
anyway gonna go finish up the story
and then quickly spend my weekly shit on her boss
limber swan
hf, this is probably the best story they've done so far
scenic condor
so far it is pretty darn good
limber swan
you could tell the PGR writing team did it
scenic condor
but maybe it's cause it's just not the same ML slop
scenic condor
you could tell the PGR writing team did it
they did?
limber swan
well, not really
but it felt that way
scenic condor
also rover spoke a lot
so once again im confused why cant we have all lines spoken?
it was like 80% now
like just commit alrdy
also amy eng dub grew on me
she sounds much better in the story
opposed to her combat lines
scenic condor
you could tell the PGR writing team did it
yeah
definitely someone escaped from pgr's depressed writers room
cause what the fuck was this
and if they can do shit like this why do hey put us thru endless ml slop instead
what the fuck was lynae just a patch ago
and now this
and then we just gonna go back to that shit again?
maaaan
yeah this was peak
major peak
old summit
old summit
major peak
|| did you go back to your house yet ||
scenic condor
|| did you go back to your house yet ||
oo no
old summit
go back and look at every interactable there
|| Aemeath aslo appears there but I dont know the times ||
limber swan
damn this shit is hitting like phrolova
vapid prairie
@toxic nebula tf is your wife doing
https://fixupx.com/PhrolovaMains/status/2020696545629491629?s=20
scenic condor
alr 3/5 echos done on amy
scenic condor
can show when done
yeye i will
last nest
and if they can do shit like this why do hey put us thru endless ml slop instead
cause it sells, duh.
marble sapphire
doing the endless part of the event...
uh damn, if you get a twin boss later i think its a potential run ender
... Ah, forgot to smack the nest...
scenic condor
cause it sells, duh.
we dont know if that's what sells
i think more meaningful story would sell too
also if i was some huge waifu goon person i would hate that i never get to see my waifu again
like u cant tell me ppl would wallet for a waifu more if they never got any kind of development with them over having something more meaningful
last nest
i think more meaningful story would sell too
That requires hiring better writers.
And frankly most people don't read anyway and form their opinion based of vibes on social media
normal egret
i with the meaningful story, i dislike slop writing with the character appearing on a few scenes basis having a few lines to say. Its a waste on the design and everything else just to do only that. Recently GI is doing a good job on Nod Krai covering the entire cast for patches.
scenic condor
That requires hiring better writers.
well we have the better writers here
so they can clearly do it
last nest
well we have the better writers here
I assume they mostly work on pgr lol
scenic condor
And frankly most people don't read anyway and form their opinion based of vibes ...
if most ppl dont read anyway then how does the ML story sell? which was your argument a moment ago
normal egret
Honestly that isnt even a good reason to have garbage story on another game 
last nest
if most ppl dont read anyway then how does the ML story sell? which was your arg...
Based on vibes as I said.
scenic condor
you can get vibes from a good story too
and it's not like not fucking up a story costs more
last nest
Imno since Wuwa has the same issue as genshin of inconsistent story quality from patch to patch I just assume they have 1 good group of writers
scenic condor
i dont think genshin is inconsistent
at all
if anything genshin is pretty damn consistent
natlan was consistently ASS
and nk is consistently delivering
normal egret
scenic condor
wuwa story has been garbage since carty patch
with only some good moments here and there
last nest
wuwa story has been garbage since carty patch
Phrolova patch was better
normal egret
I think Lupa's was good.
scenic condor
yeah
lupa was great
i think lupa was probably my favorite 2.x story
now that i think about it
normal egret
most would say Carty or Phrolova, i very much dig the Lupa's
scenic condor
but rinascita as a whole had so many unfinished stuff
last nest
i dont think genshin is inconsistent
That's cause you skip event stories lol
scenic condor
im only talking about main story
event story is of no concern here
and yes ofc i skip them
i dont have the time
summer wedge
scenic condor
ayyyy
i really dont like how amy is ult reliant
she just feels ehhh in open world
and not even just ult reliant
but combo reliant
and her autos do jack all for dmg
meeehhhh
she's more of an endgame mode char really
still fun tho
scenic condor
can show when done
im seething
fkin
1% off
this is gonna annoy me forever
so i will keep on trying
luckily it's the 3cost
so thats easier to find
vapid prairie
she just feels ehhh in open world
For beating enemies or exploration?
scenic condor
For beating enemies or exploration?
beating enemies
for explo shes cool
flying is nice
but her damage is just abysmal
outside her ult
and i hate burst mode characters in open world
even carlotta packed a punch with her skill
and amy just...doesnt
but like thats okay not everybody has to be like that
luuk wont be like that thank god
iuno is prob still my favorite open world dps
self sustain and no ult reliance
amy is also quite bad to farm any domains
cuz enemies die halfway thru her combo
and then you got shit for the next refresh
vapid prairie
I just bring Iuno for guaranteed crit and flying targeting
scenic condor
yeah iuno is best usually
iuno changli + whoever healer for aoe buff
thats my usual go-to
or iuno qy
vapid prairie
The new bike upgrade path having grouping just makes echo farming easier
vapid prairie
iuno changli + whoever healer for aoe buff
I kinda kill whatever with Lynae Iuno that Augusta never shows up except if I need to get on the ground immediately
scenic condor
iuno is just the best
truly
i like mornye for the heal slot cuz fast concerto and so much energy that she always has ult back
and shes less clunky than intro-less sk
so thats nice
lynae i wanna fkin kill off from my account, hope i can do that one day
i just hate her gameplay so much
the fkin charge up the fkin jump attacks. all so clunky and break the flow of combat
wish i could just spam her air shots when she spins around like kinich
thats her only fun move
vapid prairie
Fair enough
Also is there anyone, leak or released, that is using the second Fusion set this update?
scenic condor
denia
she'll be amy's fb support
i pray it will be good enuff for amy to ditch lynae
otherwise she'll be coping cause luuk will get lynae ๐
the dream scenario is that denia is fb iuno
so mornye can be kicked too
and i can go lupa denia
but thats not very likely
either way
amy will get lupa+denia
cuz luuk has no options
and amy does
vapid prairie
Oh I was farming the energy tacet field for the two Fusion sets because I'm not interested in Echo skill teams. I thought the second one was gonna be fusion rover or something
scenic condor
could be
actually
that would also make sense
and then denia will be ciaccona for fb
i can see that
and then my old monofusion also stays intact, luuk gets his bis team and everybody wins
vapid prairie
Didn't roll Phrolova is the 3.1 echo skill set good for whoever that teammate will be?
scenic condor
wdym
like instead of phrolova?
the echo set is for sigrika
and her team will be qy+cia probably
or qy iuno
or qy sk
vapid prairie
wdym
I'm wondering if it's a new echo skill team or an upgrade to the old ones
Like Phro
vapid prairie
Fair
scenic condor
as for the team
we dont know
and even then
phrolova has a slot on any team
shes THE best dps in the game
in terms of flexbility
she doesnt rely on anybody really
so phrolo qy sigrika can also work
we dont know what sigrika's preferred dmg type will be beyond echo
(like heavy basic etc)
but phrolova is just...too good really
she gets so much free stats from her own kit that she'd do well on a team that buffs nothing on her
vapid prairie
I'm probably waiting till 3.3 or anniv at this point unless story sells me on Sigrika/Lucilla. Sigrika is cute tho
scenic condor
she is
im hoping lucilla will be luuk bis
and then i can relegate lynae to wheelchairing old dpses in dopa
or ig i can give her back to amy but i just wanna be rid of her asap
marble sapphire
I'm wondering if it's a new echo skill team or an upgrade to the old ones
its probably not an outright new echo skill, the 5pc echo mainly enables an Aero Echo MDPS
so realistically its likely Sigrika + QY team
marble sapphire
we have not seen Denia in story yet
marble sapphire
snrk
old summit
from echo passive
normal egret
its from 5pc set effect
marble sapphire
scenic condor
i did it eng but her story parallels nanamis in so many ways that it will be strange to hear selenas voice instead
scenic condor
Wdf is that highroll
ye i got some great pieces
but that 1% crit will drive me crazy
so i'll mald for a better 3cost
that lowrolled both crit and cdmg
im super happy that i got energy rolls too
here's the full set
that atk% 3cost needs to dieeee
marble sapphire
...A 5 ROLL
scenic condor
yea thats nearly a god piece
lowroll on cdmg but cdmg is less important anyway so god piece
the limiting the targeted merge
is crazy
10 per week wtf
how do you underQoL genshin
hmm ig we are getting an electro basic atk focused char sometime
scenic condor
tacet nests need to be tpable again
they did it for the 3pc nests
but not for ther random set ones??
marble sapphire
...it is though?
scenic condor
is it what
marble sapphire
TPable, want me to record a video?
scenic condor
are you saying they are tpable or not?
marble sapphire
they are
scenic condor
HEY NOW IT IS
i did this one yesterday too
and just now it wasnt tpable
but now it is?
im confused
okay nvm then
maybe a bug
WE HAVE A WINNER
this is with stacked passive
for the +60cdmg
obviously
@weak jay i am done bitch
this is like the perfect 1:2 ratio
im very pleased
luuk set wont be this easy
bro has no external cv sources at all
no set, no supports, no passive
weak jay
luuk set wont be this easy
how much did you have now for luuk
scenic condor
how much did you have now for luuk
i havent gotten started on his set yet
i have like 400 pieces to go thru at least
weak jay
i mean asterites
scenic condor
oh
umm
enough
28k?
idr
i logged off now
plus i still have 3.1 income
- half of 3.0 explo
and sidequests
so i think luuk+sig is pretty much guaranteed
i also have enuff for his s1 from shop but i'll see
not even dupes give crit or cdmg
lol
im praying for a support that completes him
hes missing 10 tbb from someone cuz lynae doesnt give enuff
marble sapphire
||https://fixupx.com/i/status/2020793584547508571|| that would be some hilarious irony
old summit
scenic condor
naur
ah fkin amy
why do u suck so bad in solo
this is truly saddening
even with investment
shes kinda poo
compared to carty
who not only has major sustain but her rankups free her from needing any teammates really
while dummy amy does not get to be free
kinda scuffed
but thats okay....ig...not everybody can be carty 
or iuno or brant
or any other comfy solo char
old summit
why do u suck so bad in solo
cant she solo at s3
marble sapphire
Seeing an artist I follow starting WuWa for Amy...
marble sapphire
He likes big booba
limber swan
lets see if he survives 1.x hell
marble sapphire
So far taking screenshots every 5-10 mins
scenic condor
cant she solo at s3
not really. shes very reliant on her intro skill by default and s3 doesn't provide any qol just gives her the 60 cdmg for free instead of needing rupture/fb teammates. but shes incredibly squishy and has no interrupt resist or sustain. she has long basic chains that u need to perform more of since you have no access to intro skills so ur 2 stacks behind and she is still fully burst mode reliant and your energy economy will suck ass solo
her damage is good but her design is just not really good for soloing imo and her dupes dont help with this at all. what they help with is not locking her to lynae mornye that hardly anymore.
but im sure its doable ppl solo with all kinds of shit shes just not at all comfy
like carty/iuno/brant would be
overall i feel like amy dupes are a huge trap
or at least for me. i always prefer dupes that either add QoL or let the unit solo comfortably
and amy is probably the only female i rolled for her looks and story and not her kit ๐
limber swan
based phrolova gamer
marble sapphire
they mistakenly prematurely dropped beta and then retracted it not long ago
wonder how many actually managed to nab the dozens of GB worth of data
https://www.rxddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1r1uirl/sigrika_damage_profile_seele_leaks/ my response is, "I knew it"
scenic condor
https://www.rxddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1r1uirl/sigrika_damage_pro...
this is deleted now oo
marble sapphire
there was an identical post
scenic condor
oh and reposted
anyway qiuyuan stocks rising
ppl misunderstanding his s3 is funny
last nest
Seems sigrika is solo in 3.2
Than witch and miko in 3.3 and potentially back to china if old step leaks are true
marble sapphire
Can be, especially if Fusion Rover is 3.2
But I also wonder just how much beta data did they manage to grab before they cut it off
last nest
Sigrika is a skip for me unless you can run her with phrolova
marble sapphire
She would compete with Phrolova
last nest
Probably have to skip one of 3 in sigrika, miko and witch
last nest
She would compete with Phrolova
This is what I assume but you never know
marble sapphire
open copper
Sigrikaโs drip tonight?
scenic condor
She would compete with Phrolova
why would she compete with phrolova?
i think phrolo qy sigrika should be a great team. dunno what sigrika's outro is but phrolo > qy > sigrika is great sequencing
scenic condor
and from the leak it seems all sigrika will be doing is echo dmg
not like galb who still has her heavys or phrolo with skilldmg
but we will see soon
last nest
i think phrolo qy sigrika should be a great team. dunno what sigrika's outro is ...
maybe this but with Cantarella cause healing
scenic condor
maybe this but with Cantarella cause healing
what do you need healing for
phrolo and qy are very a smooth quickswap duo
and cantarelly healing is ass
it's one instance of heal and thats all
oh wait you mean cantarella OVER qy?
yea no
then whats the point of sigrika here
i need to see kit ofc but for now it seems like all her meaningful dmg is echo dmg
so only qy can buff that
last nest
what do you need healing for <:HoSHmm:979832783562231878>
my lack of skill(or qy)
scenic condor
i guess?
sure
phrolo works with anybody and she doesnt need buffs anyway
but idk abt sigrika
pulling her just for her to "support" phrolo is kinda....eh?
last nest
(Carlotta is the one who actually needs buffs)
scenic condor
nevertheless im sure it will work
cuz phrolo just...works
with basically anybody
and far from me to be a phrolo simp
but i do think she is still the most valuable s0r1 dps an account can have
limber swan
pruh single handidly clears whiwa and she's only S0r1
best investment i've ever made
scenic condor
hmm iuno cleared ~20s slower than amy
with the same team
tried on mid f3
and this is with iuno missing her ult once
so the gap is prolly even smaller
im impressed
weak jay
with the same team
scenic condor
husk done
funny that on amy patch they put out a fusion resist hologram
so trusty iuno dealt with it
limber swan
now do it solo with amy
scenic condor
fusion resist with solo amy?
no thank you
even if it wasnt fusion resist
amy solo sucks
to me
toxic nebula
what happens when Rover runs out of elements to get
at this rate bro is going to complete the set before Traveler in genshin
no wait, we still have glacio rover
ionic quiver
i mean
we dont even know
rover real power
unlike genshin rover is light
what even our power here
marble sapphire
they can Megaman Threnodians/Sentinels and stuff so their power ceiling is probably very high
open copper
I think they might either make more elements or just plain repeat elements but with a different kit.
limber swan
she's probably aero or fusion
ionic quiver
shes aero
vapid prairie
at this rate bro is going to complete the set before Traveler in genshin
Yeah we should've skipped your wife for Cryo
scenic condor
she's probably aero or fusion
wdym probably. she was leaked alrdy. aero gauntlet echo dps
limber swan
ew gauntlet, i hope the new standard works on her
and i also hope that she actually uses those gauntlets in battle
scenic condor
ew gauntlet, i hope the new standard works on her
and i also hope that she actua...
new standard works on anybody. its a basic statstick
she prolly wont be able to use the strain passive tho
its pretty much a poverty luuk sig
marble sapphire
https://x.com/i/status/2021891272521220280 that would check out
X
marble sapphire
Sigrika and/or QY might depend on whats next I guess, it's firmly the fence for me
last nest
what even our power here
Think Rover is supposed to be the member of the ancient human civilization that had colonized Solaris 3 before things went to shit
so probably technology
(that or he is amnesic watcher or something)
versed solar
https://x.com/i/status/2021891272521220280 that would check out
god she looks like ishmael too much
i wanna comeback to wuwa
but gotta stay strong
i cant really download wuwa
too big
esp with mobile data
open copper
A question about Lore, but does every variation of the Lament need a Threnodian behind it?
- The Retroact Rain, the Dark Tide and the Void Storm are clearly outgrown from their Threnodians
But the Irideglow (Honami) and the Incinero Petals donโt seem to have one.
last nest
A question about Lore, but does every variation of the Lament need a Threnodian ...
No. Pretty sure lament hit first anyway
Threnodians are actually born from humans I think
Other than Aleph 1
open copper
Donโt know about that, the Rinascita chapter seems to imply Leviathan came before the Dark Tide
vapid prairie
A question about Lore, but does every variation of the Lament need a Threnodian ...
Not necessarily? Threnodians are formed by the negative emotions of the collective consciousness of humanity. Laments still create them but it's like a two step process.
last nest
here what the wiki says - Before the establishment of Rinsacita, during the Lament, the Sentinel Imperator guided displaced peoples to an archipelago and left behind knowledge and technology - the Genesis Nexus, for them to walk the path of freedom, enabling the rise of Ragunna and the other city-states. Unity became the foundation of the early civilization. Leviathan, as per the nature of Threnodians being tied to the existence of civilization, emerged from humanityโs longing for unity and manifested as its shadow.
open copper
vapid prairie
But the Irideglow (Honami) and the Incinero Petals donโt seem to have one.
Honami not having a Threnodian was mainly a matter of time I think. Even if it was an infinite energy cheat in a Sonoro, the Threnodians we know of so far required an extreme amount of time.
And when 2 months in that Sonoro is 20 years outside, it's really damn slow.
So the best it can do really was condense what it had into that nameless boss we had to fight
open copper
Actually, I was thinking that Namipon was the maybe Threnodian of Honami โฆ. Now Abbified.
last nest
We have to see if Threnodians can be more moraly ambigious for that first
Overhrax, Aleph 1 and levi chan were all pretty heavily on the evulz side
vapid prairie
Actually, I was thinking that Namipon was the maybe Threnodian of Honami โฆ. Now ...
Technically true given it was manifested from the postive feelings and memories the citizens had towards the mascot.
Can't happen anywhere else tho given it's post-apocalypse as opposed to a moment frozen in time
So sadly there's no good Threnodian that is formed from the vibes of throwing a Marvel Rivals match
scenic condor
https://x.com/i/status/2021891272521220280 that would check out
qy was expected yea
peeb is....okay?
ig they didnt wanna do phrolo so soon
scenic condor
Think Rover is supposed to be the member of the ancient human civilization that ...
so we are just dokutah from arknights?
this obsession with mc having to be an alien in gachas....
versed solar
ishmael who
Limbus company ishmael
scenic condor
ah not familiar with limbus
heard of it but the graphic style is not for me so i never played
last nest
so we are just dokutah from arknights?
think so. It fits well with him being master of sentinels(A.I programs)
and the lung chamber is very much looking like a crashed space ship/advanced technology type
scenic condor
well that begs the question
where is our priestess
sk is our hag ig
just very domesticated
last nest
Goddess Lucia maybe?
scenic condor
i dont think so
but could be
for all we know shes not even a goddess
jsut a countryman of rover who sent him to this mission thngy
last nest
My head canon is that rover was reincarnating in the prologue
old summit
marble sapphire
https://x.com/i/status/2022158792037720154 yup nobody else
X
marble sapphire
vapid prairie
https://tenor.com/view/pepega-pepe-the-frog-gun-shooting-gif-16396270
Two pistols but no Glacio kek
marble sapphire
If there's Glacio it might be 3.3
marble sapphire
๐ค
weak jay
Hiyuki
vapid prairie
X
last nest
Hiyuki is probably the miko while dania is Aemeath sub dps
scenic condor
But
lynae is not getting benched
dw
luuk has no other option
literally no other option
so i have to free her up from amy
i dont think luuk will ever get his own dedicated support cuz male
so he'll be stuck with lynae forever
weak jay
scenic condor
it's not clap
it's shit
they need to introduce more tbb sources
that stat is fking op
vapid prairie
Funny how the first Havoc Pistol will go to a collab character if it's true
scenic condor
and ONLY lynae providing it is crazy
like a stat like this not existing on echos
or any other source
is just not okay
vapid prairie
Allow motorbike in endgame so it can be a better support than Lynae
vapid prairie
All attribute bonus, crowd control and Tune Break Boost? Crazy
scenic condor
all attribute is whatever
simple dmg%
diluted af
tbb is the big sell
mornye should have given it
instaed of lynae
what good is a supposed "general" break support
when she cant give tbb
only eff
last nest
Funnily the only teams I use her on right now are Iuno dps and Carlotta
(at least she murderer Zhezhi)
Cause I use Lupa for Aemeath
marble sapphire
scenic condor
Funnily the only teams I use her on right now are Iuno dps and Carlotta
i mean thats your choice
amy definitely needs lynae
until denia comes out
if you want her best team
but the content is still not hard enough so im sure she can clear with a variety of options
restive dirge
she just feels ehhh in open world
I got s1 from corrals for this exact reason 
Makes it way nicer
Sucks them in and explodes for big dam
scenic condor
I got s1 from corrals for this exact reason <:PB_clown:723904779104813076>
nah im not getting her s1 lol
i have other options for open world
and her dupes overall are pretty mid
s3 is good
and thats about it
restive dirge
I just got it because I thought it'd be fun
scenic condor
thats good
restive dirge
Not really for a meta reason
scenic condor
if you like it thats good
i'd rather get dupe for someone who needs it for performance
like luuk s1 most likely...
restive dirge
Hes that crippled?
scenic condor
hes that squishy
rather
and gets interrupted fkin easily
and knocked out of the air
and since u cant quickswap you have to sit in his animations
praying you dont get interrupted
restive dirge
Getting interrupted out of mornyes enhanced state is triggering lol
Have to start all over
restive dirge
Need a john lee in the game
restive dirge
No but he could just give both
restive dirge
Big ass shield + interrupt res
scenic condor
zl is a major dps loss anywhere
so unless they make someone who gives enough buffs on top of it
it wont be good
restive dirge
They dont have to copy his exact kit
Just make the shield give buffs while active
Or something else
restive dirge
True
restive dirge
Got enough ass trite?
scenic condor
ofc
i have enough corals too
im prepared
luuk s1r1 is guaranteed rn
but i'd rather not blow it all
if i dont have to
restive dirge
I dont remember how much I have left over after amy, she took a lot - wasnt lucky
scenic condor
the big question is the skill3's final hit
if that can also be interrupted then hes fucked
but i dont think they would do that
on a unit that cannot swap
otherwise if the sequencing can be kept while dodging in the air i wont need s1
but im sure they made it in a way to force s1
restive dirge
Actually surprised dupes are still reasonable this far into the games lifespan
I thought amy dupes would be crazy to sell more
But they're just kinda eh
restive dirge
Thats good though
scenic condor
carty also has a much higher skill ceiling
restive dirge
Fuck dupe rolling
scenic condor
amy barely has any
moreover amy dupes dont really let her play any different
and she's still a shit solo char
even on s6
well "shit" as in "feels shit"
not that her numbers are shit
restive dirge
What even is the best overworld solo char
scenic condor
depends on for what
restive dirge
Exploration, killing rando mobs guarding chests
restive dirge
Skill plunge? You mean her echo?
scenic condor
no
when your skill fills your forte full
you plunge down and holdba
and then she does the big mirror smash
that hits pretty hard
if she has the red gem
scenic condor
yea but you sequence that after her skillcast
so you get her sig buff
and whatnot
but yes ofc it's not tied to a plunge
restive dirge
The plunge midair is just normal though
marble sapphire
https://x.com/i/status/2023355378340397561 that's...a very long thread on CBT vs 1.0 differences
X
scenic condor
https://x.com/i/status/2023355378340397561 that's...a very long thread on CBT vs...
i mean it's just excess
previously it was evrybody was sus of rover
and now everybody just wants to spin on his pole
i would have preferred a middle ground
and we still somehwat got that it's juts less pronounced
sanhua doesnt trust us right away for example
but ye 90% of the ppl do
restive dirge
I can barely remember anything pre mt firmament
it was a huge slog
With bad va, pacing and exposition dump
scenic condor
it really was
all gacha 1.0s are bad
in terms of story
and especially for glb
cuz cn translations end up being ass
restive dirge
I had hoped endfield 1.0 would have a good narrative but its profoundly boring
Its not bad, its just not remotely memorable
Maybe they just cant rework arknights regular writing style into an open world gacha
scenic condor
it's the same old op mc nobody can function without story
restive dirge
Yeah these NPCs need me to wipe their asses for them
scenic condor
i kidna just cant be assed to care about story anymore
i'll just read a recap
and enjoy the world's vibes
amy story was a very nice surprise
restive dirge
I dont ask my CEO at work to grab the papers from the copy machine on the down floor
scenic condor
but i doubt we are keeping this quality
restive dirge
But these guys do
I love the world and level design so far
it's so refreshing to actually not be able to climb/scale anywhere because the layout matters so much more
With how you get around
scenic condor
day night cycle missing is weird tho
vapid prairie
CR kinda mid but still
scenic condor
CR kinda mid but still
this is fine
great even
amy has crit wep, crit nodes and crit from echo set too
you dont need to hoard that much crit for 100$
vapid prairie
I might have to do overworld farming for once. 4 cost is 4/5. 3 costs are 3/5. Meanwhile my 1 costs are still stuck on 2/5 with double crit
Actual cursed luck on 1 cost this set
vapid prairie
After wiping out half the population. Time for the other 1 cost
restive dirge
Holy
I've farmed tons of echos but I maybe only have very few as good as those lol
Got maybe a total of 3 or 4 5-liners and 4ish 4-liners
And their rolls are mostly mid
restive dirge
According to my screenshots the last truly great echo I rolled was 4 months ago
old summit
last nest
So embarassing, nothing stops you headcanoning her as rover past pupil if you want to go that way.
Not like game going to directly tell you that "This girl isn't a waifu". This isn't Hoyo
scenic condor
Not like game going to directly tell you that "This girl isn't a waifu". This is...
the story kinda told you that it would be extremely creepy to try to waifu her
but ofc nothing will stop weirdos
but wow reading all that
kinda mixed signals from kuro yea
restive dirge
Some alabama folks are completely satisfied though
scenic condor
"i feel misled" oh henny welcome to my feelings after realizing we only get 2 males per year at best and they wont have any romantic inkling for mc
thank god for luuk the waifu of the patch
restive dirge
Gacha males are just there to aurafarm or be comedy relief
scenic condor
he hopes the narrativr takes a decisive romantic turn ewww
restive dirge
Kinda sad
scenic condor
fakin grooming vibes then
last nest
the story kinda told you that it would be extremely creepy to try to waifu her
(I mean, depends on how you want to present it. You can just as easily say past rover isn't the same person as present rover)
scenic condor
Gacha males are just there to aurafarm or be comedy relief
just remove them altogether then
id much rather have no males at all
than being left hoping
scenic condor
(I mean, depends on how you want to present it. You can just as easily say past ...
sure but to amy we are the same person lol
we are her father figure
last nest
sure but to amy we are the same person lol
(yes, but not like electra complex going to stop any gacha degenerates if they want to headcanon it that way)
restive dirge
Scuse me I play girlypop femrover
scenic condor
im not saying it will stop them
restive dirge
Mother thank you
scenic condor
im just sayin official story shouldnt take this to a romantic angle atp
last nest
Scuse me I play girlypop femrover
My Fruend is not strong enough for that
scenic condor
as for what the individual sickos think that's on them lol
last nest
im just sayin official story shouldnt take this to a romantic angle atp
I think it will stay the same where Kuro lets you think it's either family or somethign more depending on waht you want
restive dirge
They always keep it ambiguous so you can make your own headcanon
last nest
they obv aren't afraid of making it extremly clear when a girl is into rover so they do it on purpourse with Amy to give in ambiguety
restive dirge
Though by trying to appeal to everyone they lose some sharpness on the narrative
Phrolo is like the only time a char doesn't overly glaze you that I know of
She even kinda hates you
Really need more characters in that grey area of alliance
Or just neutral
last nest
(Phro glazed the shit out of rover in the backstory and in current times she wants to hate fuck him and keep him leashed as a pet so...)
She just cray crazy and doesn't get redeemed
restive dirge
Which is really good
Im surprised how her story quest ended
Hoyo writing would redeem her 100%
last nest
Pgr treated it's villains pretty much the same way so I wasn't
restive dirge
I had hoped so much raiden in genshin was treated the same as phrolo
last nest
Hoyo writing would redeem her 100%
Hoyo has inhous derectives that no evil charecher can be playable
restive dirge
Or Arle
last nest
also in genshin playable chars must be freindly with traveler as well
restive dirge
But they just turn out to be 'misunderstood' and not actual villains
marble sapphire
https://fixupx.com/rssl1de/status/2023207680282890391
Sales looking worse? Yeah no that's just outright lying....
They already said 3.1 set a new record
Part of me wondered if the people saying that are just too horny brained, too solipsistic or have a problem with the possible wife husbandry implication despite being horny
ionic quiver
Part of me wondered if the people saying that are just too horny brained, too so...
hoyo players
marble sapphire
marble sapphire
https://fixupx.com/i/status/2023586344140702076 she does have a sister at least
last nest
Should I switch to JP for Aemeath story?
I really here people praising the JP voice actress a lot
marble sapphire
The JP VA voices Selena in PGR at least
scenic condor
Should I switch to JP for Aemeath story?
tbh eng grew on me in story and i just cant unhear selena for jp. and that's weirr cuz amy story is basically nanami story
without the father figure element
scenic condor
with all this damn flying enemy shill you'd think amy was some ranged dps
or they are trying to sell me iuno even harder
cuz iuno dps sure feels a lot better ๐
last nest
skill issue
scenic condor
skill issue
i didnt say im struggling but the concept is just a bit weird all of a sudden xd
last nest
I would say wuwa just doesn't shill chars to the same obnoxius extent like genshin/hsr does
scenic condor
I would say wuwa just doesn't shill chars to the same obnoxius extent like gensh...
yes and no. they shill but the endgame isn't beefy enough or walled enough for the non-shilled chars to be left behind
but i'd argue whiwa as a whole is a big phrolo shill
regardless of what buffs they put in
girlie always tops the score for me over the other team
but yes overall im satisfied with how we can ignore most things
for onw
im sure they will turn it up
they are laying the groundwork for it with 3.x
deleting quickswap
making everything super linear with next to no tech
so then they can close the gap between casuals and tryhards and that gives them an easier time to design characters cuz they dont have to be "afraid" of tryhards coming up with shit they didnt see
and after it's done they can streamline the content and thats when the real shill will begin
open copper
I mean, their shilling is often super-subtle.
Like these Aerial Bosses. Sentry Construct was completely trivialized by the likes of Brant.
restive dirge
Should I invest resources into getting lynae good echos? How does it matter for the team?
She has pretty mid 3liner echos atm with none of them being double crit
ionic quiver
Should I invest resources into getting lynae good echos? How does it matter for ...
no need
just stack normal CR CD ER
doesnt need to be perfect for her
i would invest hard on DPS unit instead
marble sapphire
vapid prairie
@scenic condor Any idea what's going on? Global has caught up with CN right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PunishingGrayRaven/comments/1r7lc2b/forget_the_steam_fiasco_kuro_is_under_a_lot_of/
scenic condor
Should I invest resources into getting lynae good echos? How does it matter for ...
nah her dmg is whatever, if you can get her basic 2crit lined echos it's fine but not major. but get enough energy subs on her, especially if ur not using mist. 130 on paper at the very least imo
scenic condor
<@155066250534453249> Any idea what's going on? Global has caught up with CN rig...
we have a pgr chat smh. yes glb has caught up with CN last october
as to whats goin with pgr writers/story drama, i have no clue
i dont follow pgr story
not closely anymore at least
vapid prairie
Ah. I'm wondering if global feels the same
scenic condor
i dont think global gives a shit
the general sentiment is that the timeline reset was kind of a copout
so they are able to sell frames for the popular charas again
vapid prairie
Oh there's a reset?
scenic condor
yes
in some ways it makes sense cause they kinda wrote themselves into a corner
but it could have been easily avoided
in the end the story's purpose is to sell characters
so i get it
vapid prairie
Was the original story pretty much concluded or drawn out?
scenic condor
they had to reset so ppl like alpha can get new frames
scenic condor
Was the original story pretty much concluded or drawn out?
depends on what you call "concluded". it ended in apocalypse essentially and everybody kinda died so we went back to try and fix everything and here we are
and the story was reset to just before the hetero tower appears and there is no tower in the current timeline
vapid prairie
Do you need to understand what goes on in the original?
scenic condor
of course
dont look at it like "original"
it's not a part 2 or anything like that
it's not like hi3
everything up until the tower appears is unchanged in the new timeline
vapid prairie
Well idk what term you use to distinguish the timelines
scenic condor
we basically reset to around ch20
cause bianca stigmata did not happen yet
and it wont cause bianca took a different path but anyway
you get the point
vapid prairie
I'm just wondering if there's a change in quality and etc. or if this is part of the "Kill Kuro" cycle I keep hearing about
scenic condor
I'm just wondering if there's a change in quality and etc. or if this is part of...
there's a general sentiment that the designs have been going the wrong way
more goon focus instead of what would make sense
meta-wise there has been lots of complaints since dmc patch which basically was the start of a very shitty trend
but i think design-wise they got it out of their system and with rosetta i feel like we are back to the roots
vapid prairie
What about combatwise
scenic condor
combat generally got easier in terms of individual character controls
orb system mostly got reworked into ignoring color types and just focusing on sequencing or in some cases it's straight up unique orb system for characters similar to a gamepad rather than sequencing
and for high rank the skill focus shifted to wave management mainly, especially qte management
so in short, lower skill ceiling for characters so high rank gap comes from wave management where the skill ceiling is higher
which tbh was always there too it's just there was a wider gap in mechanics before
but you can just ask @maiden skiff how he feels about piloting newer characters
vapid prairie
but you can just ask <@499755937754644498> how he feels about piloting newer cha...
Selym can pilot?
scenic condor
my point exactly
he should have an easier time with character mechanics when it comes to the newer stuff
tho this is just in base character concept
theres a LOT of tech involved still
characters have more variation within their rotation which lets the player have better wave control - but in return you have to actually understand the stage's wavestate and adjust which i think is a lot harder for casual players and there's less of "one size fits all" rotation
another complaint is probably that previously the characters were designed with SS rank as the baseline since SS is freely obtainable for every character
but lately it looks like kuro moved to ss3 as the baseline and most of the newer characters feel a bit incomplete on SS
but i think unless you are trying to compete for legend rank it shouldnt be that big of an issue
maiden skiff
Selym can pilot?
vapid prairie
another complaint is probably that previously the characters were designed with ...
Freely obtainable as in pulls are easy to get?
scenic condor
Freely obtainable as in pulls are easy to get?
no, as in freely obtainable from endgame. 30 shards for every character is in the pain cage shop which you can just buy with skulls that you get from weekly mode and thats enough for SS
pgr pull economy gives you enough to guarantee every single debut character
vapid prairie
I see
scenic condor
and weekly mode currency guarantees the SS rank for every character
and you get enough as a f2p that you can get ss3 or wep for some chars too
with monthly pass+bp you can basically get ss3 for everybody so it's not like ss3 is whale tier
but unless ur a big lucksacc ss3 for every char is out of reach for the fully f2p ppl
which is like...totally fine? ๐ if ur fully f2p u cant expect to compete on ladder anyway (and it's not even important at all to do so, it's mostly for prestige as the income difference is very VERY minimal between ranks)
overall I think pgr gacha is the best out of the currently active gachas
for both f2p and various levels of spenders, monthly and bp are insane value and there are some VERY good value cheap packs too for small spenders
i drop like 100$ on the game monthly and I have a full SSS account (think like s3-6 in wuwa terms)
you couldnt get this value for your money in wuwa or genshin or any of the other big gachas
vapid prairie
i drop like 100$ on the game monthly and I have a full SSS account (think like s...
Damn
scenic condor
and luck is not really factor either
early pity rate is low (0.5% S rate)
so you can expect to go to max pity (60 pulls) most of the time
at which the character is guaranteed
cuz pgr has no 50/50
treat it as "buying" the char for 60 pulls
wep banner is 30 pulls pity with 80/20 split but 5% base rate and losing doesnt feel too bad becase you can use any other wep as fodder for any wep's upgrade
on the flipside pgr has linear powercreep, waifu > meta is not a thing. every debut character is a strict upgrade to something and fits into an existing element's meta team
so we pull everybody
no skips
limber swan
i have not experienced a good gacha system before,
which is why im hyped for games like NTE to release. no 50/50 sounds like a dream
pgr sounds no different
scenic condor
no 50/50 usually means maximum powercreep
if the game provides the income for it then it's great
if not then it's kinda oof
scenic condor
i have not experienced a good gacha system before,
which is why im hyped for ga...
it's a great feeling. you can be hyped for every new character 
it also means pgr pumps out a fuckton of skins with varying tiers
since that's also a major income source for them
vapid prairie
if the game provides the income for it then it's great
Yeah it's really more about the income than rates. People fighting over Endfield pity only for the income to be kinda oof
scenic condor
im really sad that wuwa doesnt make many skins and the existing ones are mostly trash
scenic condor
Yeah it's really more about the income than rates. People fighting over Endfield...
endfield system is very very bad
lol
tying the weapon banner currency income to character pulls
and then refusing to give standard pulls
and the usual refreshign shop pulls/login pulls are EXPIRING WITH THE BANNER while the guarantee doesnt carry over
it's really shit imo
limber swan
i can't stand endfield system bro, probably quitting in a couple patches if it doesn't get addressed
scenic condor
i dont mind, the combat is very barebones
im mostly treating it as an rpg
the game is very polished, the world is CRISP
tho ig i have it easy cause barely anybody in the roster appeals to me
so i feel no incentive to pull
vapid prairie
Combat is the main thing making me want to leave. I don't feel that satisfaction to make me invest into a team 
scenic condor
yeah im a very combat first guy too
vapid prairie
And I've played two different teams at this point
scenic condor
i dont even see how they can improve it without a major rework
basic atk spam + qtes with practically zero room for any tech is not too engaging
endfield overall feels like they took elements from other gachas and dumbed it all down
factory is very very dumbed down - copy blueprint, set it up and thats all
combat is very dumb - most teams play the same just different colors for elemetns and reaction system is largely ignored
but it's always "stack up your color on the enemy and consume with dps"
vapid prairie
endfield overall feels like they took elements from other gachas and dumbed it a...
And even with all the dumbing down, casuals will probably hate the optimal rotations and trying to understand combat to be at the expected level of even clearing the resource stages before the timer runs out
scenic condor
eeeh
idunno
maybe
the only non-casual friendly team i'd say is sustainless phys
cause the optimal rotation is pretty tight especially with endmin dps
and your damage falls of a cliff if you mess up
but for resource stages you dont need any of this just follow the same pattern, stack up color (vuln for phys) , eat with dps (crush with endmin)
i'd wager most ppl pulled laev anyway
in the same vein i am also becoming increasingly concerned by wuwa's combat
3.x has been going down on a path i do not like
tho amy gives me a bit of hope, but then luuk crushes it right after
vapid prairie
the only non-casual friendly team i'd say is sustainless phys
I assumed the "story" team of Endmin, Perlica, Chen was fine. Or is the difficulty more substantial with the replacements?
scenic condor
I assumed the "story" team of Endmin, Perlica, Chen was fine. Or is the difficul...
of course
sustainless phys rotations can get very sweaty
you have to fit 2 3-4 stack cycles into one pog breach duration
if you remove pog from the team the difficulty is kinda gone and phys just reverts to playing the same as any other mono element team
that story team is fine for open world mashing but perlica doesnt really have synergy with endmin and chen as her thing is increasing arts dmg taken and the other 2 do phys dmg
last nest
Starting pgr as a new player must be special type of hell
scenic condor
Starting pgr as a new player must be special type of hell
any gacha is hell to start late
imo pgr is fine to start on patches with free selector
but ye its shit ๐
last nest
I started zzz pretty easily but than I was super lucky
