Wuthering Waves

[quasi moth]

The mc is literally trying to pull everyone

Why does he have rizz

I can't relate to him, madge

[scenic condor]

cause hes the selfinsert mc for cn incels

also hes just your general ml mc

i do love that he speaks a lot tho

[quasi moth]

I like that he talks more than caelus

[quasi moth]

I see

[scenic condor]

yep

would be hard to make gathering wives if mc didnt have plot rizz

[quasi moth]

I really do wish the MCs like

Voiced what option we chose all the time

But still more than hsr- tho that's not really a surprise

First member of the black shore I meet

Is British

Let's go

Yep, she's British

Yep, I love this random npc British black shoe girl

[marble sapphire]

weeeell, thats mainly because the VAs are actually European in general, but it was only after like 1.0 or 1.1 that they stopped trying to adhere to a general American accent

[quasi moth]

Ah, her name is Niya

[quasi moth]

Good

Well I knew that they were European

[marble sapphire]

one can say they might have leaned into it for Rinascita even

[quasi moth]

Still nice to hear British voice

Now we just need someone from Manchester

I was gonna question how a small place can have a gravitational field

But then I remember

We literally have floating roads in this place

I should stop questioning shit

[last nest]

This gets better in Rinasita. Mc is voiced a lot more there

[last nest]

I don't think any romantic interest in MC that was shown was particularly unrealistic tbh. MC is powerful, rich and good looking.

[scenic condor]

where do you get the "rich" part from tho

[last nest]

Leader of black shores

[scenic condor]

everybody is good looking in this game so thats hardly something outstanding

[scenic condor]

but ppl didnt know that

everybody who simped for him pre-black shores did not know that

cause we did not know that either

[last nest]

Carlotta at least does since she invited him

[scenic condor]

yes thats why i said pre-black shores

[open copper]

Most of the one shown are fine, but SK felt forced, IMO. Jinhsi’s video was also cringe, which is weird since the pandering on her quest really wasn’t that muchZ

[scenic condor]

and im not saying it's unrealistic

most of the time it's just randomly fast

and gets boring that literally every woman just has the hots

none of the men of course

cause fuck female mc

[last nest]

I would say only Jinhsi is a bit weird, but well she only shows interest in her skin and event

[open copper]

Also, is it my impression or did Rinascita kinda dial down a bit on the pandering? Like, I don’t think Phoebe and Rover/Zani had any particularly noteworthy interactions.

[scenic condor]

yeah

definitely

carlotta is fully justified

and it was nicely built up even

cunty is just...cunty. whatever

[open copper]

Carlotta is sexy, Carlotta is queen.

[scenic condor]

ciaccona i get and it didnt feel invasive either

peeb doesnt seem that have any interest

neither does zani

carty was the only one i really disliked

[last nest]

Idk why people think that, their was only 3 real chars with pandering in 1.x and they are also 3 with pandering during in 2.x

[scenic condor]

from the rina lineup

[quasi moth]

Me like jinshi

[last nest]

People pretend this game is azure lane when it's barely has more pandering than zzz

[quasi moth]

Who is doing this

Why are they doing this

[last nest]

Not directly, just saying the game is some kind of harem with girls throwing themselves at mc

If anything kuro way tonned it down here compared to pgr where it's actually pretty much a harem lol

[scenic condor]

nobodys saying this is azur lane

[quasi moth]

I mean even then

I don’t see what’s wrong with it

[scenic condor]

but you cant deny that wuwa definitely plays into ml

a lot

[scenic condor]

some people do not like it? xd

like theres nothing inherently wrong with it

it's just preference

[quasi moth]

That’s fair

[last nest]

Not more than average gacha or hell, even more than zzz

[scenic condor]

i cant vouch for zzz

im not deep enough in it yet

[last nest]

Vivian clears every wuwa girl lol

[scenic condor]

but if every average gacha is like this

then how come i only noticed it in wuwa

i do play a good amount of gachas

[last nest]

You started gacha with honkai 3 right?

[scenic condor]

no

but i did play hi3 for a long time

[last nest]

But well, Hoyo was always known as anti ml company

[scenic condor]

which is very good

ml is snooze

[last nest]

And I imagine you mostly skip waifu only hrleavy pandering games

So self selection

[scenic condor]

probably i do

and thats why wuwa hurt more

cause it was not advertised as such

based on the starting gender roster

and how it was all set up

which is why this was annoying for me personally

and i felt like i was lied to

[last nest]

Your fault for not reading story in pgr tbh

[scenic condor]

what kind of answer is that even

i do know most of the general plotpoints of pgr

[last nest]

Well, you wouldn't expect a 5 star meal in McDonald's wouldn't you?

[scenic condor]

it's...not the same game wtf

how do you come up with the most bullshit arguments everytime

[last nest]

Sane company, they wouldn't radicly change what made them successful

[scenic condor]

i wouldnt call pgr successful per se

it's a low income niche game

[last nest]

It was successful enough to let them make wuwa

[scenic condor]

and it's main pull is definitely NOT the ml part of it

but mainly the combat and its generous gacha system

[scenic condor]

i highly doubt they made wuwa on the back of pgr's money

it's like saying hoyo made genshin from hi3 money

what

no

they borrowed a fuck ton of money

thats who they made wuwa

what are you even saying

[last nest]

Well, they got the loan from tencent but if Pgr flopped they would have gone under years ago

[scenic condor]

i didnt say pgr is a flop

but it's not like a big success story

pgr is in the same boat as hi3

niche game that does decently in its niche for a small audience. treated well by the company and is not used for greedy practices

[quasi moth]

Time to summon on the fire king moment

[scenic condor]

thats about it

[quasi moth]

Hopefully I get another ponix

[last nest]

Think it makes around million total? That's pretty successful to me imho

[scenic condor]

your arguments make no fucking sense

if i should have expected wuwa to be like pgr

[last nest]

Look at gfl which survived on like 100k for 8 years

[scenic condor]

i should have expected genshin to be like hi3

and genshin is nothing like hi3

so why would i expect wuwa to be like pgr

i do not get your argument

[last nest]

It's in a lot of ways similar

[scenic condor]

not at all similar

[last nest]

A logical extension of taking hsr and making it have as wide appeal as possible

[scenic condor]

hi3 works with a small core cast of characters following a not self-insert MCs journey

[last nest]

Dumb down combat, remove PvP, make it open world

[scenic condor]

genshin works with a wide cast of randos and a self-insert plot powered empty mc

they have nothing in common

narrative-wise

which is what we are talking about

[last nest]

Calling traveller a self insert is hilarious

[scenic condor]

cause your argument is that i should have expected wuwa to be ml pandering

[last nest]

He litteraly does nothing 90 percent of the time

And has negative pandering

[scenic condor]

so it's a faithful self insert of cn incels

who do nothing

but sit at home waiting for women to love them

perfect

[last nest]

He is just not a self insert period

Just a passive observer

[scenic condor]

regardless

hes an empty ass character

[last nest]

The real MC is fucking paimon

[scenic condor]

so has nothing in common with hi3

that was my point

but you managed to get hung up on the unimportant part of it

as usual

[last nest]

The plot structure is similar, just replace Kiana with mascot

[scenic condor]

h....how?

how is it similar at all?

have we plyaed the same game?

relating kiana and PAIMON

HOW

[last nest]

Focus on side chars, shipping, non MC interactions. A lot of male focus

[scenic condor]

what

hi3's focus is not side chars

or shipping

or non-kiana interactions

and wdym male focus

[last nest]

Their is a lot of both of that in hi3 come on

[scenic condor]

no?

[last nest]

Every male in hi3 is extremely important and plot centruc

The plot essentially revolves around Otto and Kevin

[scenic condor]

every core female is extremely important and plot centric too

whats your point

and plot revolves around heroes and villains

hi3 just happened to flesh out both

and the villains happened to be male

[last nest]

Only main 4 I would say

And dudu

[scenic condor]

so

5 females

vs the 2 males

and thats MALE FOCUSED?

[last nest]

Welt? Su? Siegfried?

[scenic condor]

wtf

erm

what

welt su sieg were nowhere near main focus

not moreso than the females of their category

ER storyline focused on each character

ely obviously got more

and kevin too

[last nest]

I am not saying it's only make focus but their is a lot if focus on males for supposedly waifu only gane

[scenic condor]

cause thats how you make a GOOD game

it's a narrative driven game that happened to have a female only core cast

and a waifu only playable roster

i still do not understand the point ur trying to make

what is the parallel here with genshin

what is kiana's parallel with paimon

[last nest]

It's hard to wxplaong cause you assume that genshin style is normal in gacha

Where if very much is not

Frankly having any important non MC males in waifu only gacha is already pretty unusual by gacha standards

[scenic condor]

i do not

thats not what we are arguing about

why are you losing the point of the arugment again?

to summarize

[last nest]

A lot of things that Hoyo did in hi3 were unusual for the genre and they carrier it into genshin and hsr

[scenic condor]

• my complaint about wuwa is that i feel lied to cause based on what was advertised it seemed like a decent gender balanced normal game with no signs of ml shit
• you say i should have expected wuwa to be an ml game cause i play pgr (lets assume i fully read pgr story)
• then i said but hi3 is not similar to genshin at all by that logic how could i have expected wuwa to be similar to pgr
• to which you said kiana and paimon are similar

[last nest]

Really the only thing that surprised me in genshin was presence of silent protag

And lack of yuri

And I assume politics made the second impossible

[young forge]

Warlord
you are smoking too good of a blunt not to share

[last nest]

Benefits of living in Germany. USA could never

[young forge]

HI3 and Genshin structure is different
Capitan is passive observer there not Kiana
but Traveler (i can talk up to end of fountane) is was selfinsert for some part of it and for some observer
its a tossup
Paimon there to reexplain shit to 12yo who play the game with moms card and to compensate for mostly silent protag or be butt of a joke. Even tho her and MC relationship dynamic improved in sumeru
While Kiana actually MC of HI3 first part with rest of the main cast playing second roles with own character development
Genshin has no character development past character release or event, and even that usually stays in the ranks of their cut out persona that they use to ponder specific wifu
most character developmen we had was probably Scara and Furina across the board. While all main cast changed through HI3. thaats THE selling power of HI3. They build characters ppl get attached to and then sell their "suits" with new story progression to represent that character changes. Genshin has none of that for the most part.

wall of text
beware

look at Mei simps rolling every Mei in HI3
and then coming to HSR to roll Mei again

[last nest]

Paimon does way more than just explain. She pretty much makes every decisoun for mc and drives the plot half the time by tellin them where to go and what to do

[young forge]

you can then argue every char in HI3 is a paimon
they all make own descisions

[last nest]

Hi3 has a much smaller cast and releases a lot of alts, obv they will give more char development than genshin that releases zero alts and rarely brings back old chars

[young forge]

the structure is different

[last nest]

Paimon makes decision FOR player.

[young forge]

you are basically oversimplify

HI3 players dont do fkn descisions at all

they are there to look at Mei booba at the brig

and spend stamina

i would argue new arc with Dreamchaser

might be closer to Genshin yes

but not Kiana/Mei/Bronya stuff

[last nest]

but also Hi3 tried multiple times to be more like genshin

Adam himself was obv them experimenting with self insert mc

[young forge]

but main HI3 story, finished one is not even near in story and character structure to Genshin

[last nest]

But as I said, the prsense of the silent protag was one of the two things that suprised me about genshin

and obv atp hoyo only did it to chase a trend of other gachas

[young forge]

you can aruge Adam part also was ZZZ experement
looking at combat and wifu driven dialuges inbetween missions

all we lack is airial combat

[last nest]

the structure of the game itself in no way supports a silent protag self insert mc set up

and is much more similar to hi3 but with playable males and no yuri

[young forge]

HI3 is a story of characters making mistakes and growing up from them
Genshin is journey across fantasy world with a talking mascot

[last nest]

ZZZ is like the first game where they actually support self insert mc set up which ironicly they did by giving mc actual personality and agency

[last nest]

you can tottaly say that genshin is also al about making mistakes and growing from them, that's like set up for every region other than Natlan

[scenic condor]

the main point of this argument is that based on how hi3 and genshin are not similar at all i shouldnt be expected to think wuwa would be similar to pgr

so i am rightfully feeling lied to

[last nest]

It's just traveller doesn't cause they has no personality or arc or agency

[scenic condor]

trav definitely has an arc

next patch will most likely be another traveler dainselif arc

[last nest]

No the argyment was pgr is a game with canon harem so expecting them to do 180 and make everyone ignore mc like in genshin was...unwise

while their was no ml pandering in hi3 and that translated into no ml pandering in genshin

the suprise part for me in Wuwa is the lack of male ml pandering

[young forge]

MCs in ZZZ having separate personalities helps alot
its just gooners from CN pushing broader stuff into it
remember there was no full on dates in zones
nor ability to play as cahracters
it was heavily inspired/stolen from Persona in vibe
Time tied to your actions, events on the map tied to time
ability to past is only via certain actions
just no time managment and deadlines

[last nest]

But CN going on a massive spreg after Sumeru explains that

[last nest]

you can remove dates, zones etct. Vivian alone completely destroys any other hoyo game in pandering

[young forge]

WuWa is genshin clone
better one in many ways
but it is clearly genshin tied
similary how PGT to an extend can be seen as HI3 "inspired"
no surprise there is similar formulars used

and not PGR ones

they saw what works in genshin and build up on it with what they know how like more precice combat
and some experemental stuff like parcour

[last nest]

Wuwa is genshin clone mechanicly, nothing about genshin mechanics makes it anti ml game. That's just Hoyo writting decision stemming from them always disliking ml in their previous games

[young forge]

male love do i get it right?

[last nest]

Like I hope people won't expect Azur fucking promile to not have ml pandering just cause it's aping genshin lol

[scenic condor]

ml is master lover

[young forge]

there is simple answer
CN politics
and money

oh

oh its bl

mb

hoyo dosent go full harem
cos thats not what they build fanbase onb

Azur on the other hand

or Nikke

[last nest]

ml=master love. Term from FGO for a servants that love Gudo/Gudako

[young forge]

or most other stuff are

[last nest]

Ironicly FGO itself has a lot of canon relathionships so it's not even a super good example lol

[young forge]

Genshin was a fluke
that work cos of pandemic

that gave Hoyo massive traction

and money influx

they obv fear to change formula and also age rating
remember
the backtracked from 16 to 14 even on ZZZ

similary how all marevel movies are 12 plus cos easier to promote

[last nest]

yes. Genshin pretty much tried to redifine the norms for gacha space in CN(and so the world cause jpn gacha sceane is uber dead) but suffered heavy backlash due to Sumeru and now were are stuck with the current situations(Cn players hating males/non ml games)

[young forge]

there is ALOT of kids playing both HSR and Genshin

[scenic condor]

i will never understand the sumeru crying

[young forge]

me neither
sumeru was where they picked up writing
it became slog at times but they started trying

[scenic condor]

mond had very similar gender ratio and ppl didnt cry

inazuma was snooze ass shit

sumeru was amazing

writing-wise

[last nest]

Combination of things. the "year of males", mc being reduced to passive observer after the end of archon quest, big focus on Kaveh x Alhatim(a lot of cn players really hated this part). Lack of any mc pandering.

[scenic condor]

cn incels ruining everything

classic

[young forge]

if i recall correctly another problem with inazuma was that og author left after Liyue with part of it done and footnotes
further there was person who made inazuma island quest who picked up post inazuma clean up

[scenic condor]

bet if kaveh x alhaitham was 2 females they would have been fine with it

[young forge]

idk how it is now

[last nest]

Remeber this was after inazuma, the region where genshin was fully focused on waifus and with agruably the most ml frendily story/chars

So a lot of players who started genshin with Inazuma expected more of the same

[scenic condor]

so the root cause is just cn incels

[young forge]

they are ruining my more immersive ZZZ rn

live

we getting some open zones

[scenic condor]

oh they are?

[last nest]

yes but also no cause yuri is also getting a lot of hate this day

[scenic condor]

bet

they feel cucked

by the other woman

[last nest]

Also big brother bear lets just say doesn't like yuri to much in media sphere

Hi3 was never big enough to be noticed but genshin? diffrent story

[young forge]

there were no character switch outside MCs
there were no dates when you and your wifu can walk across zones and you can see them interact with stuff. outside friendship level up intecartions, rest were run ins on the streets and small hang outs in 1m long interaction

[last nest]

I don't think it's fair to blame this changes on cl incels lol

[young forge]

now MCs are getting involed in diving personally cos ig ppl wanna interact more directly with story as self incerts

[last nest]

When zzz is just failing financialy compared to other hoyo games and trying to be more like genshin

[young forge]

its underselling

not failing

20m a month is huge

[last nest]

key word is compared to other Hoyo games

[scenic condor]

1.x

m: venti, childe, zl, bedo, xiao, kazu
f: klee, ganyu, ht, eula

3.x
m: tig, cyno, scara, ham, baizhu
f: nilou, nahida, dehya

like it's one less woman

so if it didnt bother them in 1.x

[last nest]

If hsr was at 20 a month Hoyo would be on red alert

[scenic condor]

why cry in 3.x

and for the "year of males" they got as much as we got in fontaine

so that would be fair

[young forge]

and 2 out of 5 males were estabished before

Cyno in prerelease manga

[scenic condor]

meanwhile 5.x is ONE male

[young forge]

Bhaizu in 1.0

[scenic condor]

like come on incels

have some brain pls

[last nest]

Fountain was diffrent story tho, genshin was already branded the bl game in china by that point and a lot of ml fans left

[scenic condor]

lul

bl game

oh my god

[last nest]

yes, as I said, they really hated kaveh x alhatim

[scenic condor]

poor homophobic incels

hope they are fine now

[young forge]

there is no point of arguing about CN gacha players after shitshow that was in CN Gungirls 2

[last nest]

reffering to genshin as bl game was pretty much the norm in cn spaces during sumeru and fountain

[scenic condor]

fontaine with the 3 males

wow

[last nest]

I am not saying this is right obv, but it's how reputation works.

[scenic condor]

they must have died having to endure it

[young forge]

lets stop using that word its too durogatory even for avg gooner we talking about

[scenic condor]

TWO whole semi-canon couplings

[young forge]

it just rubs me wrong way

[scenic condor]

between males that they wouldnt even feel cucked by

[last nest]

Like say Wuwa has the "gathering wives", if they swithc it up in the next region and start pandeing to husbando lovers hard obv a lot of husbando lovers would be suspicios that it's just a bait

[scenic condor]

they are incels tho. they are the type of ppl who dont want males in the game cause they feel "cucked" by them. and thats why it makes no sense why they would hate on bl elements. if the male is gay they cant cuck them. profit

[last nest]

that's pretty much how I think ml lovers in china view genshin right now. Sure natlan has abandoned most of what they though was bl focus of previous regions but can they really trust hoyo not to go back?

[scenic condor]

why cant things just be balanced

have both

so everybody can be happy

[young forge]

safe bet is releasing 1/4 of the cast as males
like ZZZ been doing it
using them as breathing room for main wallet spenders between banners
and knowing that with good design male character pullers will wallet for cons on top of saved primos

[scenic condor]

why is that so hard

give them some ml

give me some men

everybody happy

[last nest]

ohh that's actually fun topic. Essenatialy China is going through earlier stage of Korean situation right now

Rise of femenism and the whole conflic of femenist vs incels

[scenic condor]

yay extremism

i hate both sides

[last nest]

Both sides view the other as enemies and think giving them an inch is asking to surrender a mile

[scenic condor]

cause they both think they have the right to make a space all about themselves

[young forge]

can we not politics

[scenic condor]

this is not politics. this is about certain audiences trying to influence a game in their favor

and ignoring balance

[young forge]

read up on my opinion on middle ground
ZZZ in 1.X did is smart imo
tho 2.X looking sus

[last nest]

there really is no issue with releasing males like zzz is doing.

The issue for Cn becomes where they percive those males either to take away from waifus or be focus of shipping(either with waifus or other males)

[young forge]

their male releases are greate
they provide equal opportunity gooning
good characterisation and for meta cahsers good power on them

[last nest]

Like nobody is giving Wuwa shit for making Brant for example

[young forge]

i would only ship Brant with myself

[last nest]

like say, if zzz shipped Hugo and Vivian Cn players would melt down.

[scenic condor]

so

if cn has no problem with hugo x lycaon

why was ham x kaveh an issue

[young forge]

also Genshin is getting older
its 5 years already
they gotta ponder more to more cash oriented auditory

[last nest]

They don't view it as pushed/romantic

[scenic condor]

what

it's a lot more pushed than kaveh x ham

[last nest]

Cause they game pretty much says they were gay roomates lol

[young forge]

ZZZ auditory is also older or more progressive in general i feel

[scenic condor]

but zzz very heavily confirms the same about hugo x lycaon

that letter, the poem shit

most of their interactions

like it's so obvious

[scenic condor]

this could be it

[last nest]

Did it state at some point that Hugo and Lyacan live together?

like obv you can read their interactions as romantic if you wish

[young forge]

@scenic condor my hope is that Hoyo sees cash LADs getting tbh and keeps small but consistent stream of males in the game

[last nest]

But with Kaveh x althatim their is no other interpritation of their relathionship really

[scenic condor]

so how is the situation with hugo lycaon different from kaveh ham

[young forge]

cos there were alot of m6 hugo and lighter flexers

[scenic condor]

they are also roommates

[young forge]

they were conspirators and crewmates

[last nest]

LAD is otome, completly diffrent apoach

if ZZZ was to Copy LAD hugo would turn into male version of Vivian

[young forge]

i feel like Hugo and Lycon seen dynamically closer to Raturine

so they dont fully get it

[scenic condor]

what

is

raturine

[young forge]

Ratiu Aventurine

[last nest]

like if you guys think cn incels are bad way till you see LAD fanbase. Bl is offcially banned by lads devs in any social space lol

[young forge]

funniest ship name

[scenic condor]

pj

oh

[scenic condor]

femcels are just as bad as incels

[young forge]

they dont live together

[scenic condor]

any kind of extermism is bad

[young forge]

i SAW what LAD players roll for

[last nest]

yes that's another popular ship that is "fine" with Cn incels cause they don't view it as romantic(and cause they like Aventurine)

[young forge]

ig they might hate alhaitham for being too chad

and that generates more hate towards kaveh ship

[last nest]

alhatim isn't the one who gets most of the hate, it's kaveh

They really hate kaveh

[young forge]

huh

girlfailure reminds them of them too much?

[last nest]

Kaveh, wanderer are pretyt much enemies number 1 in cn for them

[young forge]

and then chad Alhaitham challenges their musculinity with gay thoughts?

[scenic condor]

ah they hate kaveh cause malewife?

or cause hes a bratty bottom

[last nest]

I think it's cause Kaveh is more obviosly gay coded than Alhatim who you can imagine just being a gigachad if you remove kaveh from existence

[young forge]

my guess would be so
both him and Wandarer are two other sides of spectrum

[last nest]

Wanderer they just hate for waifu "stealing"

[young forge]

what wifu

[last nest]

You really don't want to know

[young forge]

all wanderer has is adopted mother Nahida and sharp tounge

[last nest]

(yes it's nahida, no cn incels are not normal)

[young forge]

i dont wanna know more about it

[open copper]

Wanderer pretty much started the whole gender wars.

[toxic nebula]

nah wanderer is just arrogant and ppl dont like that

[young forge]

i was already forced to streghten up ppl in genshin chat year ago

with nahida posting

they behave now

[last nest]

but even outside of that Wandere is liked by girls for being a bad boy so he naturaly attracts a lot of hate from that angle

[young forge]

Aventurine w/o redemption

ppl really hated ave

in 2,0

cos he talked back to MC

[toxic nebula]

wanderer is less annoying than paimon tho, if I had only one bullet I would shoot paimon over wanderer

[open copper]

Kinda ironic, since Scara has pretty teasing with the MC. Like, only Xiao and Ayaka have something going on.

[last nest]

Ave is diffrent cause his arc in 2.1 made him a fan favourite with everyone pretty much

You won't find a lot of people that hate aventurine

[young forge]

im talking 2.0

Ave was taken very negativly
similar to Ratio

[scenic condor]

what

[young forge]

selfomcert players dont like talk back

[scenic condor]

THATS WHAT THE SCARA HATE IS ABOUT?

who did he steal

[scenic condor]

oh my god

of course

[young forge]

Nahida adopted poor kid

and made him go to school

[toxic nebula]

"kid" being 500 years old

he's too old for school

[young forge]

i mean its Academia

close enough

[last nest]

not gonna say it was romantic(also I wouldn't be suprised with cn), but that's how people viewd Scara. As he "replaced" traveller as Nahida's important person supposdly

[toxic nebula]

as least its not as bad as fcking charlotte mentioning kazuha while not knowing the shogun

[young forge]

i saw nahida as moistcritical edit
that would be so funny
Capitano Situation is Crazy

[toxic nebula]

that shit was disgusting

[last nest]

this is a bit strange but basickly. the only remotely popular lumine x guy ship in genshin is chilumi(childe x lumine) which popularity was never replicated by any other guy. Xiao and wanderer if anything are shiped with Aether by yaoi community but obv cn incels wouldn't like that either

[toxic nebula]

genshin authors had a boner for kazuha for whatever reason

[young forge]

Kazhua is true MC

cos you cant progress MC much themself

https://tenor.com/view/kazuha-genshin-impact-kazuha-drinking-genshin-impact-kazuha-gif-25917615

[last nest]

kazuha is actually a great Aether clone

Cause he doesn't progress story much either and mostly just mops around

[versed solar]

whats this jenshin talk in my wife collector gacha game chat

[toxic nebula]

true, kill paimon, simp Chisa instead

[versed solar]

bro

you picked the worst teased char

[young forge]

Tia

[versed solar]

[toxic nebula]

I cant fix your bad tastes

[versed solar]

i have aquired tastes

[toxic nebula]

[versed solar]

you wouldnt understand

esp cause ur a sparkle simp

/s

[young forge]

morning for ya
you missed ZZZ renders and JFF oficial m6 art
we got Sol Badguuy

[versed solar]

WTF FOR REAL?

[young forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sol-sol-badguy-run-sol-run-sol-badguy-run-gif-11538359595692271091

scroll up in ZZZ

[last nest]

Chisa is imho second best design from revealed after Iuno

She she is generic but very good design still

[versed solar]

i need elphet man

[last nest]

custom made to apeal to JPN preferences

I am kind of dissapointed in Augusta tbh, I expected more

Maybe her in game portrail will win me over like with Lupa

[scenic condor]

why are incels against gay stuff?

it makes no sense to me

more gay men = more women left for them

[last nest]

Honestly, I am not sure. maybe of the idea that bl is made for mostly female audience(the "enemy")?

Like I myself in a lot of ways like similar things to them(waifus, ml etct) but have no problem with BL or yume content

[young forge]

its incecurity also

[scenic condor]

being insecure about gays?

huh

[toxic nebula]

toxic masculinity or something

[versed solar]

Low self esteem and insecurity

and ignorance

[scenic condor]

how does low self-esteem correlate with hating gays

ignorance ig

and toxic mascuilnity i get

[versed solar]

low self esteem can really fuck you up in lots of ways you dont realize

can even be the cause of becoming an incel

[toxic nebula]

hey you dont know what hand they were dealt in life, we must be inclusive

_

that being said, go back to your mother's womb and press the reset character button you impotent fool

never settle for less than 9 out of 10 in looks or intelligence stats

[versed solar]

for real

[last nest]

Think it also has to do with perception of the game. They wanted the game to be percived as waifu centric vs it getting percived as BL firendly during sumeru which burned a lot of players on genshin

Fandom perception of things plays a pretty big role in gacha. like zzz fandom and hsr fandom would react very diffrently to the same things. Vivian is loved in zzz while much tamer firefly/castorice is wildly hated by a lot of hsr players

[burnt mortar]

firefly was everywhere in the weebsphere when she released

shes hated in her game?

[last nest]

She got a lot of hate on twitter in the west due to being waifubait

[burnt mortar]

twitter is whatever lmao

its always on some deranged shit about everything

[last nest]

but well, at least on social media in the west the opinion on firefly is a lot more negative/split

I think japan nearly universally adores her tho

[scenic condor]

but mondstadt had more limited males than females how was that waifu centric

plus there was the yuri ship with beidou x ning

so like

balance

[scenic condor]

ff stole our chad mecha daddy

castor is just boring

i dont really have problems with ff beyond being mad at hoyo for denying me sam

[last nest]

I will remind you that Genshin had a massive influx of new players during inazuma(the game was on the pretty big decline popularity wise in the later patches of 1.x). For a lot, and I mean a lot of playes Inazuma was all they known of genshin

It's also when genshin reached it's peak popularity and was wildly percived as a popular waifu game

so a lot of this people took Sumeru as a betrayl by Hoyo. Very much like you with Wuwa they got the wrong idea of what genshin is and were disapoitned with reality

Unlike you they didn't took it very well

[scenic condor]

genshin was always one of the most gender balanced gachas out there

seeing it as a waifu game

ppl are just really dumb

even now it's balanced despite floplan pushing random boring ass women

save for few exceptions

[floral shale]

Wtf is even happening

I came here to ask if codes also expire like 24 hrs after stream like hoyo

I haven’t claimed them

[last nest]

2.4 livestream codes expired on june 1

[scenic condor]

and this is done too

now i really have nothing to do

until lupa

[floral shale]

I’m still developing my account

I can at least do some endgame content now 😭

[scenic condor]

gogo

im legit pondering to roll ciaccona

solely so i have something to build

i wish they'd let us just farm echo xp

without actual echos clogging my fkin inventory

[floral shale]

bruh

[old summit]

damn wtf

carthe coming out in 1 week already?

[young forge]

there was 2 camps
why are you pushing canonic gf on us we expected Super Sentai
and omg she is so cute i want to be her bf
her suited up form being cool but barely used
and bad writing of her in the arc (almost irrelevance to the plot to an extend) caused split to resonate even more

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-gif-1014285481823127823

cos someone wanted this

and some wanted this

https://tenor.com/view/firefly-sam-farewell-penacony-trailer-honkai-star-rail-gif-470494672779853884

[vapid prairie]

I think her using swords in Ult was a huge L

[burnt mortar]

ngl firefly got the cutie vibes for sure

probably earned hsr good bucks anyways

[young forge]

she did

its just juxtaposition

cos before her actual introduction she was everything goes warcriminal Sam that was walking Scorched earth operation

[burnt mortar]

FGO has one of these too lol

[young forge]

then there was forced date with girl FF
who has ties to MC backstory and likes cakes
and || fake out death ||

[burnt mortar]

ascension 1 vs final ascension

but fgo is a simple mobile game you can choose to just play as the warrior suite exclusively

[young forge]

tldr its still payed off
sentai lovers still rolled for cool fire suit
wifu lovers rolled for gf

for hoyo

[burnt mortar]

the only super sentai I have watched

is the degen parody one

Akibaranger

lmao

[young forge]

sam is my only unit with extra copies i rolled
so i am in first camp

[burnt mortar]

zetsubou

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGnAtDKOcx8

this scene is amazing

[rain ether]

This is why when you go mannadium primeheart, always go with floating energy blades and actual rider kick

[young forge]

Ff non uly form > ult form

[rain ether]

Agree

Ppl love good ol' CQC

[vapid prairie]

@weak jay Your nerd wife
https://x.com/aengdohwa/status/1930194831453892981

桃花 / 청주코믹CC11,12 (@aengdohwa)

Cartethyia

X · Jun 4, 2025, 9:28 AM

[shy lotus]

https://vxtwitter.com/memeofww/status/1929870854961483832?s=19

Wuthering Memes (@memeofww)

https://t.co/9KEtNKoU5N

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 3, 2025, 12:00 PM

[quasi moth]

Wuwa mc is like

The isekai protagonist trope basically huh

[burnt mortar]

the world needs a gacha protag that's just like my goat

https://tenor.com/view/konosuba-gif-9324909397474424145

[weak jay]

why did you sent art like that

[toxic nebula]

the canonic part one is what gets most ppl since this community is divided by factions (ie. whichever character they simp)

and then you have this girl who is the hsr devs' wet dream girlfriend being shoved into the story because "lore", there was also that controvesy with the irl hsr dev staff gf who was theorized to be the basis for FF

it was just a mess

oh and I also forget illusion of choice, as if TB had any to begin with

[quasi moth]

Cute

She is best girl in my head but idk much about her

[weak jay]

i have more of her emote

[ionic quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/wuthering-wuthering-waves-jinhsi-e-verina-gif-1698230601711698912

[quasi moth]

Thank you jinshi

[weak jay]

https://tenor.com/view/bugcat-capoo-bugcat-capoo-hi-greeting-gif-16357365

souine

[restive dirge]

Holy shit brotherman

Cammy is gonna like this one

[last nest]

@scenic condor People are crying about Lupa being more of subdps than main dps.

[unreal magnet]

The entire limited fusion cast consists of sub DPS

It's the identity of fusion at this point

[scenic condor]

what does it matter

I'm sure i can solo tower with her too

i am really grateful that she provides teamwide buffs it's much better than selfish dps no.12

where are they crying?

i havent seen much

[last nest]

on lupa mains and wuwa leaks

idk I don't get is as well, if you want to sweat why would you care about which role she plays

If you want to have fun with her as main dps nothing stopping you

[scenic condor]

im 100% sure she'll be a capable main dps with changli duo

if you want to make her the center character

i will definitely solo with her

ah finally

i can solo toa with fire only

[last nest]

tbf it's not a bad thing she is buffer as well

won't conflict with gun lady if she is main dps

true sweat team with no heals

[versed solar]

healing is useless if u dont get hit

[marble sapphire]

if shes fusion it might be related to fusion status effect...

heck, i am willing to bet on that being the gimmick for these upcoming characters

[scenic condor]

heals were never needed beyond proccing buffs

at least not in tower and whatnot

and holobosses usually hit hard enough that healing doesnt make a difference

[scenic condor]

yeah

i suspect that too

if that babel mode comes out that really drains our hp every sec

then healers will see good usage

and brant will pay off even more

but i dont see any of the current fire units of the trio to be "crept"

lupa being a buffer gives her longevity

changli just fits in anywhere

brant is probably the odd one out but hes also very versatile

[quasi moth]

I'm still enjoying the story in short bits

And prolly won't be able to get ciaconna or whatever

Fun stuff

[old summit]

carthe is a broadblade user right?

[last nest]

No,sword

[old summit]

bruh

what about lupa

[versed solar]

Broadblade

I wish I was joking

[scenic condor]

broadblade turning into spear is nothing new

[marble sapphire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRKlLuPQHn4

[quasi moth]

Almost started doing the rinasita prologue

Fucking hell I'm dumb

The mc is literally Jesus

[zealous grove]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/CartethyiaMains/comments/1l46zyb/2410_last_minute_buff/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[scenic condor]

yeah so

wtf was the point of ciaccona

her outro is literally out in the trash

like i get it

and i welcome the change

cause we didnt want another zani incident

but

girl

nevertheless cia should still be her bis

but it's not a must at all now

easily skippable even

they also destroyed cart as a whole and it's really just fleur or bust now

which is kinda sad cause now she will be a shit open world unit like zani

so on one hand yay no hard-reliance on another limited on the other hand fuck ult reliance

unless im just misunderstanding

[scenic condor]

oo okay

[old summit]

@scenic condor so I heard about the last minute buff

does that mean I dont need to S1 carte to use 43311?

or is that still needed

[ionic quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21kxX_OinZ4

https://tenor.com/view/slime-goons-goons-slime-gif-26876759

[old summit]

yeah I hope i can buy this skins directly with money

and not just tokens

because I might need tokens for pulls

[burnt mortar]

give one of those for free like sanhua

[scenic condor]

s1 is built into basekit now

[old summit]

Yeah which is why I'm asking

If i don't need to s1 if I want to 43311 anymore

[scenic condor]

you dont need s1

imo

[old summit]

If i still need s1 to 43311 then I will

[last nest]

Why? If anything two 4s are either to farm than two 3s

People are still bitching they can't run wuwa on potato phones from 2021. Why do only phone users do this? You will never see a pc or console player bitch that the newest game doesn't support 5 year old hardware

[scenic condor]

ooh lupa nerf

well only a nerf outside 3fusion

unnecessary comp limitation

we get it kuro wants lupa in 3fusion

i will still force a solo clear with her

[toxic nebula]

tbf wuwa can be played at atleast 1650 gtx in pc meanwhile phones need a processor atleast in the top 20th rank worldwide to run it at smooth 60 fps

if only the top 20th 4nm-3nm chips can run wuwa which is a UE4 game, I'm scared of unreal engine 5 games like SIlver Palace or the new Blue Archive game

do keep in mind these very same phone chips are poweful enough to emulate console games like BOTW or devil may cry

[versed solar]

sad

[scenic condor]

wont matter much bruh

as i always say this game is piss easy

zero reason to optimize

and im sure lupa can solo clear tower

[last nest]

I was easily clearing it with Carlotta sanhua and that's whay more than 10 percent drop

[scenic condor]

yea dont worry about it

i regularly solo clear with changli

if they remove the fkin dirge i can fullclear with solo fire units

thats my goal at least

[last nest]

And who knows, many gun lady will slot into the team

[old summit]

kind of rather get the full set effects

and isnt 43311 just better stats anyways

[weak jay]

4 4 1 1 1 is better

https://www.reddit.com/r/CartethyiaMains/comments/1l4mrv5/just_gotta_leave_this_here/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CartethyiaMains/comments/1korwmj/44111_vs_43311_aero_vs_hp_sig_vs_eog/

^ this is 20 days ago

[quasi moth]

When the waves are wuthering

I be wuthering my waves

[old summit]

no I know 4 4 1 1 1 is better for a S0 carte

where you go 43311 at s1

but im asking if you had the option to go 4 4 1 1 1 vs 4 3 3 1 1 for any girl in general

wouldnt the 4 3 3 1 1 be better?

in which case I would like to go S1 carte in order to use 4 3 3 1 1

if the buff didnt include that in s0

[quasi moth]

What's 44 111

[zealous grove]

Echo build with 2 4-cost and 3 1-cost equipped.

[weak jay]

none

[weak jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/524772653308051496.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[quasi moth]

I see

[quasi moth]

What the fuck is this cake

Guys help

Otherwise I’m choosing changli

[old summit]

BRANT

whoops caps

[quasi moth]

I just wanna ask what this is

Can I choose a resonator?

[old summit]

oh idk

[quasi moth]

Ah fuck it, changli it is

OHHHHHHHH

ITS EVEN BETTER

Thank you for the belated birthday message

That’s pretty hype

L but W

[versed solar]

Oof

[toxic nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dQtM6fHKDwE

https://tenor.com/view/camellya-camellya-wuwa-camellya-brainrot-wuwa-wuthering-waves-gif-1178415009242290734

[toxic nebula]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jCU7XPJDcaI

[scenic condor]

lul so she did end up being super super cia reliant

instead of cia just being "bis but not needed "

is it time for

[scenic condor]

im skipping either way

so

doesnt matter to me personally

furthermore i'd rather roll cia than carty if i had to pick

carty has zero appeal to me

[marble sapphire]

there was a segment in SGF but i am pretty sure its not anything that new...

[toxic nebula]

would it break the game if a 4th member slot was added..

feels like an awful lack of real off-fielders in this game, atleast we'll have Phrolova soon

I need the extra slot for the inevitable addition of one more flower girl (Phrolova, Camellya, Verina) to my account

[marble sapphire]

oh, this has an expiry date, hilarious

[noble urchin]

cantarella but in different game lol

[quasi moth]

I mean I like her but I don't think I have nuff pulls to get her

I'm also cleaning this slow as hell

[quasi moth]

Etheria restart?

[scenic condor]

hows the hsr copy game?

[noble urchin]

Ye

[noble urchin]

Ehhh prob lil bit better

[marble sapphire]

this seems like a premature question to ask, better to wait until like 1-3 years later

[versed solar]

it gets better after 200hours trust

[marble sapphire]

what game even goes for 200 hours long aside from uber big sandboxes...

[last nest]

MMO, card games, really anything that has continues update model

games with large amount of replability.

A lot of old school rougelikes would be like that, You can easily kill 200 hours in, say, dungen crawl and never even beat the game

Much less beat all the optional content(since beating dungeon crawl with minimal requirements is usually percived as rather easy thing to do by hardcore rougelike community)

[toxic nebula]

are the devs based in china or not

that could be the deciding factor in which the game could survive if not

either way, the animations are too rough for my tastes and designs aren't on par with NTE

[restive dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KtJjkDS-EI
below mid

[scenic condor]

hmm looks fine to me

has lots of men too

but yea it's a cheap hsr copy

[quasi moth]

I was thinking

Man

I play a dogshit game already

I don't need to add another one

I completely didn't notice that it was literally hsr but with a different font

[last nest]

do they also have 2 button kits per charechter like hsr?

Like, hsr has a lot of issues but if it had a good combat system like gbf most of them could be easy to ignore

[scenic condor]

3 buttons

no energy/sp system

just cooldowns

sk1 doesnt seem to have a cooldown in general so that could be considered a basic atk type thing but it seems to usually do more than just "do smol dmg"

so not really?

otherwise generic shit story, gacha is basically pgr gacha so no 50/50, no soft pity but 80 instead of 60 for pity

every char goes into standard the next patch

and rock paper scissor element system

dupe system seems more like AK's as in only small stat increases, no qol or extra ability boosts etc

no sigs or cubs either

on the other hand it's a kr gacha....

nothing good comes out of that usually

[open copper]

My impression is that KR gachas have actual production values, but are extremely grindy and predatory.

Still better than JP garbage. China has the better industry.

[scenic condor]

my experience with kr gachas is that they juts fail

kings raid was one of my firsts

and the company mishandled it so badly

they drove it to eos

[quasi moth]

PvP gacha

Are two words that should not go next to each other

[scenic condor]

honestly

i dont think it's a bad thing

if it's done right

and so far etheria seems to get it right

dupes do nothing

so the only whale advantage is that they can buy stamina to level up shit faster now

but when everybody else gets out of the beginner phase the gap can close a lot

[quasi moth]

Honestly if this game flourishes

Then good for them

I am just not about that life atm

I don't like the gameplay loop so I can't even go to the gacha pvp statement

I didn't even know that it was gacha pvp hours after I uninstalled it

[scenic condor]

ah you played?

[marble sapphire]

ah whiwa refresh soon

[zealous grove]

https://youtu.be/P9dUQPIEdFs?si=LW4q8_Bt9hR074jm

[marble sapphire]

https://fixupx.com/anxientdesu/status/1931339573680115928 it seems she got tested by Black Shores at some point

Anxient (@anxientdesu)

Cartethyia's Resonance Evaluation Report uses the same format that Jinzhou and Black Shores uses for their testing.
︀︀This makes her the first Rinascitan Resonator to have undergone standardized resonance testing!
︀︀
︀︀Though it does beg the question where did she get her tests?

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FixupX · Jun 7, 2025, 1:16 PM

[weak jay]

[last nest]

whale moment

[old summit]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242300743214698527/1381452414770483220/ScreenRecording_06-08-2025_21-57-22_1.mov?ex=68479151&is=68463fd1&hm=45bdaf3df7c6f798da6d5815211e2019e91d7d66fe8c68a195ce0ca8ac959967&

[quasi moth]

Lost my 5050 to her

I’m pretty sure I haven’t won a single 5050 in this game

[vapid prairie]

@weak jay
https://x.com/syurikenmaru/status/1931924571361620250

手裏剣丸 (@syurikenmaru)

魔法使いカルデジア🪄
#鳴潮 #WutheringWaves #WuWaFanart

X · Jun 9, 2025, 4:01 AM

[quasi moth]

Reminds me of superappleman

[quasi moth]

Akaoni

[versed solar]

duet night abyss saw peeb

and copied

it

they areadly copied the whole game of warframe

now they are copying char

shit ass game

[open copper]

They even copied the backstory, lmao.

[versed solar]

duet night abyss has no soul man

sadge

cause warframe waifu would have being cool

[toxic nebula]

aiyo wtff?? @gentle mural wake up bro

[gentle mural]

Nooooooo

Don't make me play this game

I don't have timeeeeee

[scenic condor]

same feeling with etheria

based on what i have seen so far

too bad cause gameplay is pretty up my alley

[versed solar]

rip

duet night gameplay is also worse than waframe

so copied but badlu

[scenic condor]

etheria improved on hsr

big time

in almost every aspect

except having a soul and hsr has better graphics for my taste as well

but the gameplay, systems, progression, gacha, f2p friendliness is all much better

[last nest]

took a look at the game

It lacks cohesive theme with it's characters

looks like avengers assembled of popular gacha desings lol

but looks pretty nice other than that

are you playing it? Is it more main or side gacha?

[scenic condor]

im not playing it

it's side gacha imo

it has a ton of auto features

farming can be done in the background - not even on hsr/ak level

but as in you set up a string of repeats and close the game

and it will do it for you

no open world just instanced parts like hsr

i am strongly thinking about starting it but an 8th gacha man. i cant

[quasi moth]

Jufufu?

[scenic condor]

also the ai art accusations

[scenic condor]

no

it's duet night abyss

[quasi moth]

Ik but it reminds me of her

[scenic condor]

how

it's phoebe

[quasi moth]

Idk

No shit

Shot*

hold on

[versed solar]

Phoebe

[quasi moth]

Maybe it's cuz she's small and the only character I've seen is the tiger girl

[scenic condor]

[quasi moth]

I was just tryna get a comparison

[scenic condor]

ur playing wuwa ffs

[versed solar]

https://tenor.com/view/phoebe-phoebe-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-wuthering-waves-gif-1344061899841996103

[scenic condor]

how can you not associate it with peeb right away

nothing in common with fufu

[quasi moth]

I was tryna compare phoebe with fufu

I'm dumb, that's why

[versed solar]

Apart from being blonde but bloody hell that hat

Is a give a way

[quasi moth]

I'm just waiting for carmillya or whatever her name is

That elf girl

[versed solar]

Ciaccona?

[quasi moth]

Cuz I lost the ciaconna 50/50

[versed solar]

Carthy

[quasi moth]

This girl

[versed solar]

I'm skipping for lupa

[quasi moth]

I wanted ciaconna but I lost

I've lost 2 50/50s

One on yinlin

Then I got guaranteed on jinshi

And second on ciaconna

Fun stuff

[scenic condor]

go for cia

carty will feel a bit ass without cia

and cia is more futureproof

carty is just a dps

[last nest]

I'll have to kick one of my gachas for it for sure if I try. And than kick it out it for fellow moon when that shit comes out

[scenic condor]

if it ever comes

honestly the main draw for me is that it has a decent amount of males and pgr-like gacha

no sigs

so more gear mald

opposed to gacha mald

which i always prefer

[last nest]

pgr gacha is defo a big plus

[scenic condor]

also havent played a turn based game in a long long time

that needed brain

and this definitely needs brain on the pvp front

maybe even on the pve front

it's just....i know myself

no matter how f2p friendly a game is

i will end up whaling in it

and i just cant take a fkin 8th gacha

[versed solar]

As Ariel said go for ciacciona

She's a support

[scenic condor]

AND a dps

do not discredit her

dps part

[versed solar]

Oh yeah

I saw that vid

[scenic condor]

shes not like an outstanding dps

[versed solar]

XD

[scenic condor]

but she works

anything works

she can solo tower too

[versed solar]

Yeah I saw

Funny af

Easy game fr

[last nest]

you like the opposite of me, no matter how much I like gacha I will never spend money on it more than monthly pass

[scenic condor]

@last nest if you try it, it's pretty reroll friendly. 10-15m for a reroll

salted emails work

only with gmail tho

[scenic condor]

i just cant deal with coping

unless i just dont care for the game enough

like hsr

i dont care enough so im fine with coping

also etheria has pgr-like value packs

pretty great ones from what i saw

but i really see no reason to whale there - except whalin on stamina ig

dupes are meaningless

[last nest]

rerolling only works on android right?

[scenic condor]

pc

works too

anything works

cause it's just salted emails

and at the end you bind

if ur satisfied

[last nest]

who are the devs?

[scenic condor]

cn

XD entertainment

they made sword of cornvallaria

i havent really heard of them before

[quasi moth]

Do I even have time

Cuz I am still going for her

I do like her, gives me Selena vibes

[scenic condor]

you have 1d

[last nest]

ohh, that's soc devs

[quasi moth]

And yes, I'm saying that purely because she's a bard

[quasi moth]

Never mind

[scenic condor]

you played soc?

[last nest]

That one was pretty interesting if very flawed

[scenic condor]

oh

it didnt resonate with me visually

so i didnt even play it

[last nest]

No, but i've seen good things from their story