besides lingering was nobody's bis anyway
#Wuthering Waves
scenic condor
old summit
wasnt it XY's for a bit?
scenic condor
only for skill issued ppl
who did not bother to do the heavy for void
but with the nm mephis it's better even if u slacc on it
also lingering ONLY worked if you didnt play qs xy
and xy without qs is a lot a worse
vapid prairie
https://x.com/alexistwo2/status/1906889253512204492?s=12
Jinhsi locked outside
Also there's an unmurdered Plushie that we need to fix
vapid prairie
show pulls tmrw
Got work when maintenance ends 
marble sapphire
I saw somebody intend to like login into WuWa when 2.3 hits, use the free rolls on Zani and if they don't get her, quit. I felt too lazy to inform them of Zani's team req comps...
last nest
I mean, clearly they aren't playing game on competence level
You can still clear overworld with zani in whatever team
marble sapphire
Weeeell, they don't touch WuWa much or at all to begin with
unreal magnet
Yeah, the people with lower understanding of the game definitely will
floral shale
Zani bait barely better than Phoebe DPS, rather save for Lucia
marble sapphire
heard her damage is like comparable to...Jinhsi? Oh wait, i forgot ToA rotated, better get that in
open copper
Phoebe is also around that ballpark.
The Crazy bit is that Peebs Sig is a 10% dps increase for Zani.
marble sapphire
ugh, its probably gonna be a long time before i get a perfect run on one level in ToA middle
maybe i should have tried to mald that vs Scar
scenic condor
The Crazy bit is that Peebs Sig is a 10% dps increase for Zani.
how did you calc 10%
scenic condor
Zani bait barely better than Phoebe DPS, rather save for Lucia
but if the kit is fun it's worth
open copper
how did you calc 10%
I saw a chart going around
scenic condor
well peeb is 100% frazzle amp
and sig is 30%
so dunno how the 10 came about
either way peeb sig a nice boost
even if we discount that it boosts peeb's own dmg too
floral shale
but if the kit is fun it's worth
I don’t get the hype but
Go ahead and roll and show us
scenic condor
I don’t get the hype but
it looks fun
thats all
animations look pog
but i'll test her
and see
if she feels clunk im skipping
the hype about her for the gp is the big booba thing ofc
with the barely holding button
for me it's just im bored of peeb dps
and im looking to upgrade that team
so i dont play her onfield as much
thats all
floral shale
Phrolova rumored for 2.5 right?
I hope she’s fun so I can put my Cantarella to work
scenic condor
(lupa is 2.4 second banner after carthy)
oh?
thats cool then
i have something to pull in 2.4
lupa is like an amalgamation of vera and feral
flag, headband, element and vfx ( from what we hvae seen from that one leek) is very much vera
the wolf stuff is very feral
along with her facial expression
and her jumpy movement
old summit
So what's the main damage stat for zani?
scenic condor
So what's the main damage stat for zani?
same as everybody else
you dont have to ask this for every single dps
they are all built the same
there is no variety
the only quirky build we have is brant
and even that follows the same principle just forces us to stack up 250 er
give her the radiance set and usual crit cdmg 1:2 ratio blablabla
however if ur referring to atk/dmg 3cost. we dont know
maygi is dead
so nobody did pre-release calcs
we will just have to rely on prydwen
scenic condor
oh
scenic condor
Heavy attack
zani is heavy
old summit
Hmmm, my rover gear might be almost perfect zani gear then
So i have to make a healer set for rover for zani team right?
scenic condor
you can probably move peeb gear too
to zani
peeb could go moonlit
supp form peeb's dmg is kinda crap
less than smc
scenic condor
So i have to make a healer set for rover for zani team right?
rover will not be in the team
ur throwing your actual healer there usually
old summit
Oh
old summit
No
scenic condor
but like....toa is so paper it doesnt matter
im sure u can juts do healer set rover
moonlit peeb
and it will work out
old summit
I thought the team was zani phoebe and rover?
scenic condor
well that works if you can frame perfect your smc
if you can get in 4 forte skills
while swapping with peeb to set up her heavy
then yes
rover will be best
on paper
but realistically not many people can pull that off
i wouldnt bother with it really
just go regular healer
must less of a headache
scenic condor
just move it off someone
or ignore it altogether
as i said
theres currently zero endgame content that would warrant any kind of gear minmaxing
im sure peeb with her usual radiance will do fine too
old summit
Also based on the leaks, brant won't rerun even during Lupa right?
Outside of selection banner?
scenic condor
thats what the leaks seemed to indicate yes
scenic condor
but leaks can be wrong
scenic condor
seems so yes
but again. anything works
game has no endgame
no reason to optimize anything
old summit
Did maygi ever confirm she's done with wuwa?
scenic condor
Did maygi ever confirm she's done with wuwa?
shes done making guides for now
old summit
shes done making guides for now
Is she gonna still update her calc at least?
floral shale
When is game suppose to be live
Or is this like hoyo where we still have like 2-3 more hours
scenic condor
Is she gonna still update her calc at least?
she will yes
she might even post a guide down the line just probably not day 1
scenic condor
Or is this like hoyo where we still have like 2-3 more hours
should be up by 5am eu time
marble sapphire
I haven't checked yet but I think it should be up now
yeah its up, i know from experience and i was right
normal egret
floral shale
So did they change anything from the anni stream
No lmao
floral shale
looks like I’ll be bored another 3 weeks since that’s when the banners I actually want are on
marble sapphire
...tried Zani in trial, it was far too short compared to the text in her moveset 
so i learnt nothing
the enemies were a bit too weak and died too quick for me to even try doing any actual combos or anything
old summit
the guy that prydwen always shows in their guides
if you want rotation
@marble sapphire
marble sapphire
usually...i dont look up rotations
i practice it and feel it up myself
THEN i look at rotations
marble sapphire
though i wasnt intending to roll Zani to begin with so thats why i am not trying too hard
marble sapphire
old summit
right now my zani has 2 issues
- I dont have that 3 cost at all that you want in the main slot
- I have 0 energy regen rolls
lmao
marble sapphire
Oh right the upside of not rolling Zani means that I don't have to farm that fucking guy a 2nd time...
old summit
i never farmed that guy
lmao
phoebe done
just need to farm that 3 cost for zani
and be hopeful it comes with cv AND energy regen
else I'll have to redo a couple of these echoes
I should go upgrade zani skills now too
while im at it
time to farm that 3 cost then
marble sapphire
Hmm no new area and main story, so it's definitely like 1.2
old summit
Hmm no new area and main story, so it's definitely like 1.2
oh so just zani quest?
marble sapphire
I didn't see any new main story from what I can tell
old summit
time to make use of this new system
MY 2ND TRY
LMAO
gonna lose some cv value since this is gonna replace that other 1 cost
but oh well
guys
whats better for zani team
a s2 sk
or a s5 verina
marble sapphire
That person who I mentioned intended to login, try for Zani and keep playing or quit didn't get lucky and also found out the returners reward thing seems to be in like 23 days. So they quit, fully within my expectations
ionic quiver
That person who I mentioned intended to login, try for Zani and keep playing or ...
who was it again?
old summit
hey guys
which is better?
I was trying to get another cv + energy echo but I kept getting cv only
scenic condor
So did they change anything from the anni stream
the 30 pulls we got in the past 3 days
vapid prairie
ATK > DMG Bonus always
old summit
yes but there is flat atk too
in the other one
and slightly higher cv value
oh wait
scenic condor
which is better?
left
vapid prairie
Where in that pic is Flat ATK?
old summit
marble sapphire
who was it again?
Not from here, but I did mention them here before 
old summit
just wondering
since I was doing some echo stuff
because
Ny zani is 2.5% er from 120%
my*
marble sapphire
They planned to login for 2.3, get returnees bonus and anni stuff, roll, continue playing or quit depending on that
vapid prairie
Double Spec or Spec ATK?
old summit
double
vapid prairie
Either way you need that ATK% more
marble sapphire
personally I am not sure if players are really that impatient these days or not
old summit
I think I'll have to live with zani being 2.4% below 20% ER
I dont want to go too ham here and not have echo mats for other chats
chars*
I think I spent like
2k tuners today
or 1k
one of those
bro
why do the dailies not give the main stat selector too
old summit
well
heres hoping my ER is enough by maygi's math
also heres hoping spectro spectro is the bis combo
vapid prairie
Prydwen when your ER isn't 69420%
@weak jay You here for my rolls?
Waiting for download
scenic condor
this is still so nastey
why even put this there
so ppl can get mad that they cant access the free 10pull for 23 days?
marble sapphire
I saw somebody login, roll and quit for that yes, mentioned earlier
ionic quiver
weak jay
damn my funds for ciaccona
🤝
scenic condor
they need to add trial restart
kek
oh my god
holobosses refilling energy
best day ever
last nest
Guess I'll do 50 pulls on Zani to try my luck
My zani looks a little bit wierd(but hey, it was only 10 pulls with no pity)
last nest
yes. Better than winning 50/50 honestly
It's basicly the opposite of Hoyo games for me here. I always win 50/50s in Genhsin/HSR/ZZZ(also it was only 1 char atp) but never pull them before 75+
While my Wuwa 50/50 rate is pretty bad but I have already got 3 fast resets
last nest
Yes I think I'll stick with Pheebe as main dps instead of trying for Zani again. She is cuter
scenic condor
zani's biggest draw for me is the oomph parry
but im not like HYPED for her
so i'll hold on the pulls a bit
see what maygi cooks up see what the others cook up
based on numbers shes easily carlotta tier
potentially above carlotta even
but....no content
also i think i have a changli disease and nothing i play feel as fun as her+brant/xy
last nest
I like her enough as a charechter and she has good looking moves but the upcoming gauntlet of chars I want is just too much.
vapid prairie
Not my fault game wants to download and verify 69 times
vapid prairie
@weak jay
marble sapphire
i was wondering where did the Zani doomposting came from and it seems its from Selkey...hm
vapid prairie
Kyle ded like @zealous grove
marble sapphire
🦥 i guess objectively i should be aiming to build an Aero team because i know that element isnt covered for me. And Havoc in the future for the same reason
ionic quiver
i was wondering where did the Zani doomposting came from and it seems its from S...
who?
last nest
🦥 i guess objectively i should be aiming to build an Aero team because i know t...
pull ciacconia and cantarella than
And than phrolova in 2.5
marble sapphire
pull ciacconia and cantarella than
i am 100% sure Cantarella would rerelease in 2.5 because thats how their reruns work
marble sapphire
who?
CC who makes guides/theorycrafts
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1k9ecpa/psa_zani_shows_the_increasing_greed_of_kuro_games/ the relevant post, this is pre 2.3
scenic condor
wasnt really doom tho
he's right
this is a very troubling tendency
that kuro is showing with zani
marble sapphire
currently i am just suffering from spillover anxiety damage from wondering who is right exactly, the ones who say its like that post or the ones who say that the actual different is 10-15%
maybe i should just forget about it
scenic condor
then read and do your own calcs?
the main issue is the frazzle stacks not even the dmg boost
without peeb you are locked out of half of zani's rotation
cause smc cant stack enough
ionic quiver
do we need zani to clear latest TOA?
scenic condor
no?
marble sapphire
i mean i already said several times that i wasnt planning to roll. So thats why i said its "spillover anxiety damage" more than anything 
ionic quiver
if no, then dont think about it
ionic quiver
we arent HSR that need latest unit to clear +1 + 2 unit
if maximizing damage is ur concern
then yes u can think
marble sapphire
do we need zani to clear latest TOA?
I already cleared it yesterday before 2.3 soooo...uh yeah
weak jay
ionic quiver
people said this is cope
weak jay
ionic quiver
but this is the reality
we arent HSR that need latest units to perform MOC
casual that can clear endgame is okay design
vapid prairie
@ionic quiver Broke
ionic quiver
<@251147616501366797> Broke
grats u fuck
finally
i still have 5M credits
WUWA has been great enough to provide unit that u can use long term
remind me of genshin 1.x to 2.x
their unit stay long
until 3.x hit
marble sapphire
personally, deep down, maybe i am just spilling my anxious feelings more than anything rather than whos right or wrong. I am pretty non confrontational if i am not feeling angered or anything because reading debates makes my stomach churn a bit
ionic quiver
they arent wrong
but at the same time people just ate the arguement like that
also why prydwen meta stuff is absolute dogshit
i agree with selkey
kuro has to note this down
as the matter of fact i see selkey just basing his opinion
with datas to support him
just relax 
scenic condor
personally, deep down, maybe i am just spilling my anxious feelings more than an...
what is there to be anxious about?
it's a game with zero challenging endgame in terms of rewards
not like you can brick your acc or anythign
rover solos tower
zani's issue is accessiblity not damage
scenic condor
bricked out of what?
marble sapphire
what is there to be anxious about?
just saying like what it is, that I naturally feel distress and anxiety just observing arguments
ionic quiver
all end game content
scenic condor
eh
ionic quiver
3 of them
ionic quiver
exactly
scenic condor
just ignore it
ionic quiver
but theres a moment
that MOC 10
is harder than MOC 12
just syaing
nobody can pass 10
scenic condor
then ignore that too
ionic quiver
but pass 11
scenic condor
what do u lose
ionic quiver
nothing
scenic condor
2 pulls per 40 days?
scenic condor
like sweating over this is cray
scenic condor
hsr's problem is that theres nothing else
ionic quiver
just syaing
marble sapphire
sooo at the end of the day, perhaps its just my character flaw rather than concerns about the state of the game
scenic condor
you cant experience your characters beyond that
vapid prairie
2 pulls per 40 days?
Meta players can calculate everything except ROIs
scenic condor
whats a roi
ionic quiver
return of investment
like u put something into 1 place
and u hope it to return higher value for long period of time
ionic quiver
thats why i cna say u are basing urself on that game
when wuwa has none of this
powercrept havent touch wuwa
as long as danjin main can solo toa or holo
there will be no powercrept
only skill issue
different from genshin that its DPS check again and again
or shield check
like we dont even shield ourselves, dodging = concerto
scenic condor
it will eventually ramp up
they are laying the groundwork
but even then
not much to lose out on
ionic quiver
just remember that they can buff old char with new set
vapid prairie
1.1 decision
Roll on Jinhsi then invest in her for 3 patches
Or
Roll Changli because hot and clear anyway
Guess what HSR players pick 
ionic quiver
new set is inherently better
but pls fuckers hecate
1 month of tuning
none of it went thru
marble sapphire
1.1 decision
Roll on Jinhsi then invest in her for 3 patches
Or
Roll Changli bec...
both
ionic quiver
also u can wait maygi reports @marble sapphire
vapid prairie
just remember that they can buff old char with new set
Jinhsi flexing signature echo before nightmare echoes showed up
ionic quiver
and probably maygi will say the same thing
since they consensus now is
zani srover and sk
as the low ceiling comp
high ceiling being zani feeb and SK
and maygi test with actual data so
marble sapphire
also u can wait maygi reports <@221766357010612224>
again, i think i should just....distract myself with other stuff and eventually forget about it until it passes over. Anxiety from watching people argue is temporary if i avoid it
ionic quiver
i mean
this is dumb argument
its not brant level
where prydwen spread misinformation
that eveyrone ate overture R5
vapid prairie
Or wait for Cartethyia beta and decide if you want her more 
ionic quiver
then they decide to change their website
also doomposting about brant being low damage unit
thats the real doomposting
also being one of the lowest revenue unit
when JP literally top chart
ionic quiver
this is basically 2 kids fighting over something that obv
we already knew
fibi is zani premium team
from the leak kit
scenic condor
the bottom line is this
peeb is like 6seconds slower
on current toa
with her usual team
than zani team with peeb support in it
this should tell you everything
ionic quiver
the difference between zani prem team and fibi prem team
zani herself need frazzle, alot
fibi need one
but zani has higher reward
thats all i see
scenic condor
the higher reward is not really worth it
like at all
6 seconds
is what ur spending on
is that really worth it? xd
ionic quiver
yeah basically thats why i dont really care about these arguements
since we all fighting over what
max damage u can dish?
scenic condor
we are fighting over kuro making zani reliant so much on peeb
ionic quiver
or the efficiency of rotation
ionic quiver
by data yea thats fair
scenic condor
they gimp her base kit a lot
vapid prairie
Yeah. For me, I coincidentally like both Phoebe and Zani as characters. I already knew I was gonna invest in the two when the initial 5 Rinascita characters got revealed
scenic condor
but dont say theres no alternative <:KEKW:818462009321586741>
from a zani standpoint, there isnt
ionic quiver
man this is aventurine
scenic condor
from a peeb standpoint, there is
scenic condor
it's the principle
of locking a kit's completeness behind another premium character
ionic quiver
i agree and disagree at the same time
but i do think
kuro messed up on ur point
the solution is easy
4* that cater to zani
until 4* release, i will agree to that statement tho
because all of this can be easily fixed with 4*
kinda messed up tho when leakers already mentioned about fibi is needed on zani team for months
and we have time even to pull for fibi
vapid prairie
kinda messed up tho when leakers already mentioned about fibi is needed on zani ...
Even taking 5 seconds to think "Hmm I wonder what blue mode could be for if yellow mode be OP"
ionic quiver
i remember telling my friend that pull fibi S4
if u have fibi u can try zani
since zani need fibi to dish damage
like MH charge blades
he did pull zani
just now
the other one doenst pull fibi but pull zani S4 and proceed to take 1 fibi also
altho the latter already prepare Srover and SK comp for zani
scenic condor
until 4* release, i will agree to that statement tho
they are not doing 4*
we havent gotten a single one in 2.x so far
ionic quiver
thats why i said they messed up
they are on edge of
releasing broken 4* or useless 4*
but imo
they can release 4* that cater to certain 5*
scenic condor
they wont
ionic quiver
like the first comp thta i made jinhsi and sanhua
heck these 2 works wonder that i clear tower with it back then
scenic condor
they are all in on the greed rn
ionic quiver
even middle tower
next we will call carthetyia need ciaccona to dish highest damage
we have the power to see the future but we refuse to see it
marble sapphire
next we will call carthetyia need ciaccona to dish highest damage
until they add more DoT appliers...i believe Carty is hard lockd to Ciaccona or Phoebe
ionic quiver
until they add more DoT appliers...i believe Carty is hard lockd to Ciaccona or ...
yes
hard locked
marble sapphire
SRover doesnt enter the equation due to needing to be ARover
though, them adding more DoT effects isnt quite unrealistic since they added one for every element
marble sapphire
and...eh wait lemme check
ionic quiver
and...eh wait lemme check
no u are correct
carthethiya need Arover to convert
ciaccona apply both debuff
aero convert to max value
then we charge blade again
marble sapphire
While in mid-air, press Resonance Skill to deal Aero DMG, which removes all stacks of Spectro Frazzle, Havoc Bane, Fusion Burst, Glacio Chafe, and Electro Flare from the target hit and inflicts 1 stack of Aero Erosion for each stack removed.``` i am just saying it would indeed be so dumb if they included Havoc, Fusion, Glacio and Electro but proceed to have zero characters who can apply thosearover is pretty bad, I don't see use for him over busted ciacconia for Carty
ionic quiver
u need him to convert stack
arover can break corrosion limit
thus carthethyia burst can be higher
marble sapphire
ciaccona apply both debuff
actually they changed it so that Ciaccona can apply either Frazzle or Erosion, but not both. HOWEVER, Ciaccona can apply it off field so that +3 erosion limit isnt wasted
ionic quiver
max rn is 10
im already preparing for cathethyia
damn yall montelli
creating dramas
marble sapphire
arover is pretty bad, I don't see use for him over busted ciacconia for Carty
ARover would be the healer and not the SubDPS/buffer slot
ionic quiver
role only be healer while proccing his own effect
BUT
WE HAVENT TESTED
GUST OF WELKINS
WHETHER THAT SHIT STACK OR NO
FOR 2 CHAR EFFECTS
IF THAT SHIT STACKS
WALLAHI
3 CHAR USING GUST OF WELKINS SET
marble sapphire
find out next week
anyway, distracted myself by looking at other stuff and i think my stomach tension went down at least
vapid prairie
next we will call carthetyia need ciaccona to dish highest damage
And I thought ZZZ would be the one to get the "perfect partner" brainrot discourse from HSR despite having like 3 examples rn.
scenic condor
so as i see
from what maygi is calcing rn
zani peeb smc is the highest total dps
peeb moonlit, smc glow
with dps builds ofc
marble sapphire
that was even the trial team. Though i am also guessing more skill needed since less bandaids available
vapid prairie
@weak jay They know pistol mains want pistol for birthday
marble sapphire
are you able to pick from any resonator?
vapid prairie
are you able to pick from any resonator?
Everyone's screenshot is different. Anyone you own + Ciaconna
Because she hasn't released yet
scenic condor
alr maygi strim over. bitch malded zani for 8hrs
she says she will do a vid in a couple days
marble sapphire
classic fomo
scenic condor
Fingers itching to pull but I have to wait till wave 2
who r u waiting for again?
marble sapphire
from earlier statement, likely the bard if its not one of the reruns
marble sapphire
https://fixupx.com/Rexlent/status/1917036535817580969 if you didnt skim through the letter...
marble sapphire
https://fixupx.com/Razor_Language/status/1917054948325659135 Spectro/Glacio supremacy...according to Prydwen
scenic condor
https://fixupx.com/Razor_Language/status/1917054948325659135 Spectro/Glacio supr...
it's just 2.x bias
also prydwen rates with s0r0
so brant is automatically lower tier
last nest
https://fixupx.com/Razor_Language/status/1917054948325659135 Spectro/Glacio supr...
Unironically a more relevent tier list
last nest
Unless they start jaking hp HSR stile TOA is never going to be hard
last nest
(which makes me think I should pull for Changli)
scenic condor
changli's great
last nest
Guess I can pull for Ciacconia and than see if I can pull Changli as well on the second banner
old summit
brant rerun doesnt come until cia comes
i think
so I guess I have a month to save for 2 chars
- their weaps
i forgot, is cia supposed to be primarily a healer?
marble sapphire
i forgot, is cia supposed to be primarily a healer?
pure buffer/subDPS
last nest
I don't think she does much personal damage at low investment?
But she is insane buff bot
for Carty
marble sapphire
and can be used to replace SRover in some cases
ionic quiver
@scenic condor CMIIW
isnt someone said that stringmaster is better than fibi weapon?
marble sapphire
Increase ATK 12%. Dealing DMG to enemies with Spectro Frazzle gives 14% Basic and 14% Heavy Attack DMG Bonus respectively, stacking up to 3 times for 6s. Casting Outro Skill Amplifies the DMG from Spectro Frazzle on enemies around the active Resonator by 30% for 30s. Effects of the same name cannot be stacked.
scenic condor
i forgot, is cia supposed to be primarily a healer?
shes premium amc. thats all really
marble sapphire
if its that, then yeah it would be true
scenic condor
very decent buffer for very small amount of teams
ionic quiver
```Increase ATK 12%. Dealing DMG to enemies with Spectro Frazzle gives 14% Basic...
CMIIW
isnt this is giga buff to zani?
marble sapphire
i wouldnt say its GIGA buff, but it is quite a buff
ionic quiver
somoene on internet used to say stringmaster on feeb is better than her sign
Casting Outro Skill Amplifies the DMG from Spectro Frazzle on enemies around the active Resonator by 30% for 30s. Effects of the same name cannot be stacked.
30% for 30 secs?
hello?
marble sapphire
- Absolution Enhancement: Increase DMG Multiplier by 255%.
- Confession Enhancement: Grant Silent Prayer to the Resonator on the field, reducing the Spectro RES of nearby targets by 10% and granting 100% Spectro Frazzle DMG Amplification. When Spectro Frazzle inflicts DMG, extend Spectro Frazzle's damage interval by 50%. This effect lasts 30s or until Phoebe switches to Absolution status.``` combine that with how Phoebe's outro is 100% frazzle amplifyif you time this before Zani's liberation...
ionic quiver
yeah both have 30s uptime with her sign
scenic condor
somoene on internet used to say stringmaster on feeb is better than her sign
thats someone is stupid. sm is about 1% worse than her sig for dps peeb assuming the user quickswaps all her heavies. sm doesnt do anything for supp peeb cause supp peeb dmg is trash so her sig buffs zani instead
ionic quiver
yeah most of the internet failed fofr prydwen then
all of them didnt pull for feeb sign
scenic condor
wut
scenic condor
it...doesnt matter bro
ionic quiver
WTF WE SEE FUTURE
scenic condor
yes it's a bit of a boost to zani with her sig
but it's not worth pulling
AT ALL
ionic quiver
HOW?
scenic condor
wdym how
ionic quiver
30% DAMAGE BOOST
last nest
Sigs aren't worth pulling in this game period
ionic quiver
even selkey counted it as 130%
marble sapphire
Sigs aren't worth pulling in this game period
dont worry, i ended up with S1R1 Phoebe purely for dumb reasons anyway even if I dont regret it
ionic quiver
that Srover taking all frazzle buff
scenic condor
even selkey counted it as 130%
ah wait it's amp
so thats deepen
okay
yeah it does sound like it's 30% then
either way
it's unnecessary
theres no content in the game that would require that
save your pulls
go for zani sig instead if anything
scenic condor
if u wanna plan for the future
skip zani altogether lol
shes winmore
yes shes strong but peeb is capable enough to clear any content in the game
zani is overkill and not needed at all
old summit
but you kept complaining how frazzle was so bad pre zani
for wave clear content
like whiwa
zani fixes that
restive dirge
Hm got fucked on the 50/50 so needed like 140 pulls to get zani
ionic quiver
but you kept complaining how frazzle was so bad pre zani
whats the correlation with this conversation?
restive dirge
Though did get the weapon in 20
rain ether
Hm got fucked on the 50/50 so needed like 140 pulls to get zani
Kinda oof
old summit
yes shes strong but peeb is capable enough to clear any content in the game
@ionic quiver this
rain ether
Though did get the weapon in 20
Good thing the weapon banner can't miss then
zealous grove
he's still dead
scenic condor
but you kept complaining how frazzle was so bad pre zani
wat
peeb is not very good in whiwa indeed, but items carry her just fine
and nobodys forcing us to play her in whiwa xd
thats not a good argument
i wanted zani before cause im bored of peeb
but thats just a personal thing
not a "this is a worthy pull" thing
kindred ocean
Zamn, 40% dps loss 
scenic condor
Zamn, 40% dps loss <:Kektar:818638443277582336>
yes peebless zani is very bad
not to mention less fun cause you get locked out of part of her combo
due to forte bar not being full
kindred ocean
shame. She's hot tho 
scenic condor
which is what kuro is banking on
pull hot waifu mindless
go research
realize she needs peeb or die
oh look at that peeb rerun is right now
guess i have to pull peeb
profit
happy anniversary yall
kindred ocean
do these anni banners have have pity carry over?
vapid prairie
do these anni banners have have pity carry over?
floral shale
who r u waiting for again?
Jinhsi and Carlotta
Perhaps Changli if my luck isn’t too bad
floral shale
Id like to pull string master just not rn
unreal magnet
Not enough funds?
floral shale
Yeah I’m scared I’d miss one of my actual faves
last nest
People are still melting down on Reddit about "only" getting 40 pulls
While the real travesty of Carlottas terrible skin goes umentioned
floral shale
Yeah it looks terrible
last nest
I also don't really get the Zani discourse. Char is better with their bis support . No shit
floral shale
I think it’s just the Acheron JQ discourse again
last nest
Except jq is ass in every other team except for Acheron
Phoebe is totally competent without Zani
open copper
I think the bigger issue is how Zani completely needs Phoebe, but Phoebe doesn’t really need Zani.
She is really underturned. Though a 4* frazzle amp support would help a lot.
Sanhua carrying budget teams on her back.
scenic condor
Phoebe is totally competent without Zani
however zani is incompetent without peeb.
and thats the issue
peebless zani gets outdpsed by fkin s6 lumi of all things
last nest
(that makes her Acheron not jq)
last nest
peebless zani gets outdpsed by fkin s6 lumi of all things
With Ciacconia?
scenic condor
With Ciacconia?
ciaccona was not calced as shes not live
zani smc was calced
but i'd imagine ciaccona will not be any better
now carth pullers must pray that carth ends up better than zani
scenic condor
People are still melting down on Reddit about "only" getting 40 pulls
ppl are melting down cause game shows them 10 pulls they cant get for another 23 days
and i get it
why even put that in there before it's available
last nest
now carth pullers must pray that carth ends up better than zani
Why lol, just pull ciacconia
If you can't afford just skip both
And obviously her numbers will be higher since she is the resonator
Not trying to be mr pokke but some planing ahead is required in gacha if you f2p/low spendor
open copper
Funnily, it’s possible that Phoebe will also work with Carthetyia due to Arover.
Big quality pull all around.
scenic condor
Funnily, it’s possible that Phoebe will also work with Carthetyia due to Arover.
oh yeah didnt even think about that
scenic condor
Why lol, just pull ciacconia
i do not agree with the normalization of needing another limited 5* to make a 5* kit's work
having them be their bis team with a good amount of dmg increase? sure of course
but denying them other options is not healthy
and shouldnt be brushed off
and zani is the first step towards that
last nest
That's kind of how moist gachas work
scenic condor
so?
why do we have to accept that?
lol
just bc most gachas are shit
doesnt mean we want this one to be shit too
last nest
When In Rome and all
last nest
If something is the standard across-the-board you should prob expect it
scenic condor
people expected better
but it's not the standard
it's the standard in hsr
how is that the "standard"
you say "most" gachas
what other gachas
last nest
Why lol, 90 percent of this games player base either played genshin or pgr
scenic condor
pgr is a VERY different thing
it's very much natural as the affordability is provided
so it's a given
and genshin is a bad example
genshin does not have this at all
no 5*'s kit is locked behind another 5star
at least
99% of the time
skirk will be the first
even mavuika has a 4* option
last nest
Nahida or don't bother with dendro? Furiba or don't bother with half the teams?
scenic condor
thats...very much false
last nest
Pretty sure furiba was more than 40 percent damage increase lol
scenic condor
bro
i said
kit
not maximum power
of course furina's boost is great to have for many many teams
but shes not necessary for any of them
to be able to be played
last nest
You can play Zani with mc
last nest
It's gonna suck but you can do it
scenic condor
you are literally locked out of half her combo chain
you just cant access it
period
how is that the same
yes jiyan will be a lot worse without mortefi
but his kit functions the same
with or without him
no character in genshin has this
last nest
That functionaly is the loss of 40 percent dps
scenic condor
do you really not understand what im saying
alright give me an example then
furina
which 5* dps is so locked to furina that their kit's functionality is impacted
last nest
I don't really get why you care about kit lock and not damage numbers
scenic condor
cause toa is a joke
you can solo it with anything
zani's full premium team doesnt matter
the damage is major overkill
the content doesnt exist for it
but any other team you put her in
you suddenly cant access part of her kit
it's more akin to c0 rizz
half of his kit is locked behind his c1
but still.. im waiting for that example
be it damage numbers. i can most likely clear any abyss without furina
heck 4* clears still exist
last nest
I thought we were discussing damage numbers, I don't really care about kit discussion
scenic condor
furina to me is more similar to sk in terms of universality
scenic condor
I thought we were discussing damage numbers, I don't really care about kit discu...
where did i talk about dmg numbers?
all this time i was talking about kit functionality
thats my issue with this
scenic condor
no
that was grim
i am only talking about kit functionality here
numbers is another story
last nest
You are totally right about kit no discussion here
scenic condor
i think thats fine. having your premium team be the best is fine
thats common practice
last nest
I just don't care. In pgr you have multiple chars reduced to using like 3 buttons in their kit unless you high invest
Or just never seen the field
scenic condor
over time, sure
on release, not really
but that is how the natural progression of a characters life goes
last nest
For me it's totally fine. I will always pull both or neither myself
scenic condor
but we cant apply that to wuwa
which doesnt give enough currency to secure both
as opposed to pgr which does
with a free SS to boot
(which is why most chars in pgr get their full kit on SS)
but pgr and wuwa are just too different to make comparisons
wuwa should be compared to genshin
i think if they made a 4* that applies enough frazzle for zani to have her full kit
but without all the buffs peeb provides
that would be fine
full kit functionality but worse numbers
all good
i think this is what's gonna happen to skirk
but on a pretty awful level
shes completely tied to freeze team cause of her passive so without esco she just wont have the numbers
even tho her kit is fully functional
last nest
i think this is what's gonna happen to skirk
Skirk needs peco or citalli I assume?
last nest
What about shenhe?
scenic condor
skirk team for now is looking to be skirk peco furina +1 hydro/cryo (probably the rumored natlan hydro support girl)
scenic condor
What about shenhe?
shenhe works but not optimal
shenhe+esco only really works for ayaka
cause shenhe has a limited number of quills
and only ayaka has the damage speed to use them before esco eats them up herself
last nest
No I mean, for skirk instead of peco?
scenic condor
maybe
but it's less shred
and then u have to use your last slot on a healer
who only heals
which will bring down overall team dps
cause esco consolidates both
last nest
Imagine pulling for cheap peco clone tho,
scenic condor
i will definitely pull for her
not because of skirk tho 😄
but cause shes part of the newest best wheelchair
and i do like to revitalize older dpses
skirk best team with everything we know is
skirk esco furina yelan
if no esco
last nest
Genshin continues the trend of giving busted kits to meh looking chars(outside of archons)
scenic condor
Genshin continues the trend of giving busted kits to meh looking chars(outside o...
yes
very unfortunate
im not even crying about lack of males anymore
it's lack of good character designs as a whole
esco looks so cheap
and her animations are 4* level to me
open copper
Esco looks better than 90% of Natlan’s cast. Yeah, it’s that bad.
last nest
im not even crying about lack of males anymore
I wanted to bait you with the new otome game from cn but that would just be too cruel
scenic condor
Esco looks better than 90% of Natlan’s cast. Yeah, it’s that bad.
true
scenic condor
I wanted to bait you with the new otome game from cn but that would just be too ...
otome games do not interest me
i dislike gooning
regardless of gender
last nest
(I would pretend it's not otome game obv)
scenic condor
i just accepted my fate
last nest
Guys look good
scenic condor
as long as the games supply me with good female character designs, interesting kits i can look past the rest
and zzz will give me a full male team at least
last nest
But yes, non otome husbandos is are going extinct faster than pandas
scenic condor
Guys look good
but gameplay is ass in these games
scenic condor
But yes, non otome husbandos is are going extinct faster than pandas
are girls really this simple?
that they only care for otome
or were they just chased out of every other game
idk
it's just sad
last nest
Everyone wants the piece of LADS pie now
open copper
I think it’s just an issue with CN games. JP seems to have almost nowhere of their gender wars. (Too bad JP games are shit.)
last nest
or were they just chased out of every other game
You can look on gender breakdown for gachas
open copper
Don’t know much about KR.
scenic condor
You can look on gender breakdown for gachas
ye but that's NOW
is that the result of less males?
so girls left
or was it always like that
last nest
Other than like reverse1999 and path to nowhere it's all dudes
scenic condor
but that's now
last nest
is that the result of less males?
It's result of no pandering imho.
Man just exists in mixed gender gacha. They don't pander to you like waifus
scenic condor
well thats the problem
they should
im sure the waifu only players would be happy to have some skip patches
but anyway
no need to discuss this any longer. i made my peace with it
it is what we live in
last nest
Joing me in waiting for fellow moon
scenic condor
whats that
scenic condor
and they are making fellow moon?
last nest
No I just mixed them up
scenic condor
ah i saw this fellow moon thing before
turn based with more than 1 skill?
wow
letsgo
has some hot males too
last nest
Yes it's the only good looking gacha atm that you might like I think
scenic condor
when is it coming to glb?
last nest
It's getting the kr release so hopefully soon
scenic condor
i saw ppl talk about etheria restart
or whatever
turn based and has pvp
mostly women tho
last nest
PvP is immediately into the trash for me
scenic condor
however
no dupes
no 50/50
and no substat mald
which are pretty good positives
last nest
Gear grind?