and they will want a circlejerk
#Wuthering Waves
unreal magnet
Why?
scenic condor
better sales
open copper
Isn’t Phoebe team already Mono-Spectro?
unreal magnet
so everybodys outro buffs the next appropriate char
Ah dang it
I can see that being the case in the future
scenic condor
so brant buffs changli, changli buffs another who has lib dmg, and the lib dmg user buffs brant basic
or something like that
open copper
Forcing you now to get more specialized healers
scenic condor
like for now this can be done with sanhua as the 3rd even
sanhua buffs brant, brant into changli
changli doing shit
but this all falls apart cause both chang and brant are qs addicts
so the outros will jsut fall off
this makes no sense
unreal magnet
so brant buffs changli, changli buffs another who has lib dmg, and the lib dmg u...
Problem is i don't think this is going to work since the buffs go poof upon swap
The only way to do it would be to build up concerto on everyone, then go through their nukes one by one, repeat
unreal magnet
That's just...a fking pain
scenic condor
the whole point of a qs comp is like xy changli
doing the rotas simultaneously
and then ending up at the outro ready for the nuke hit
thats why brant is focused on that forte nuke
which is even more important now that they nerfed his lib
and put even more power into his forte skill
open copper
This sounds so convoluted.
scenic condor
same reason why his s2's 30% crit buff only applies to his forte skill
unreal magnet
If wuwa is going to develop into that direction, will there still be a place for main DPS?
scenic condor
probably they gonna phase that out eventually
which i would appreciate
cause the hypercarry shit is just a genshin copypaste
and it's boring
they started with the likes of jiyan to ease ppl into the game
i have no idea tbh
cause on the other hand they seem to do everything in their power to ruin qs
like how they nerfed carlotta
so her ult buff is lost on swap
unreal magnet
so her ult buff is lost on swap
Which is just stupid tbh
scenic condor
they also nerfed the animation lenght of her s2
for the same reason
made it shorter to make it harder to qs back into
so i really dont get their direction
either commit to no qs and make it genshin 2.0
or commit to qs and stop messing it up
unreal magnet
It's like they are trying their best to keep QS and hypercarry seperate
scenic condor
i feel like they are shooting for a middle ground
carlotta is still very much good for qs just harder to make it work
so they are giving the tryhards qs but harder
while making hypercarry shit possible for skill issued folks
like most of the playerbase probably are
unreal magnet
Since in theory, double hypercarry with a healer is a better QS team than double sub DPS
scenic condor
depends
changli xy team is super good
yet ppl categorize cl as subdps or dps depending on their mood
😄
it's also mad hard to pull off well
unreal magnet
You'd rather have more dmg from the outro than a buff which you can't make use of
scenic condor
anyway
i did my work today
thank you for making me do math
in my spare time
unreal magnet
I am not sorry
unreal magnet
Thank you for sparing me from doing the math myself
In the exam season
I think by keeping the main DPS in check by reducing QS potential they are trying to limit the powercreep
You remember Cam beta?
Broken QS potential
scenic condor
we shall see
i still think he should have been a fusion roccia
instead of all this
unreal magnet
With no DPS to support?
scenic condor
wdym no dps
encore exists
changli exists
he is already made for changli kinda
qs and matching outro
if they put some extra fusion buffs in his kit or skill dmg buffs
he woudl have been even better
or do you not think of cl as a dps?
unreal magnet
She does do quite a bit of damage but it's still less than dedicated main DPS characters
By maybe 10-20%
scenic condor
shes doing more than encore tho
would you call encore a subdps
shes doing as much as jiyan
shes definitely as good as the T0.5 dpses on prydwen tierlist
unreal magnet
Really? I did not know that
scenic condor
shes just really hard to play well
thats about it
so casuals usually end up doing horribly with her
unreal magnet
Understandably so
scenic condor
but unlike calcharo, she pays off
unreal magnet
Low floor high ceiling
scenic condor
encore changli has held the top team dps spot for a long ass time
with their hardest qs rotation ofc
but since people are skill issued
jinshi was seen as the topdog
meanwhile in current day jinshi is not even in the top 3 anymore
unreal magnet
meanwhile in current day jinshi is not even in the top 3 anymore
Not a big surprise
Since she's too restrictive on teams
scenic condor
shes ued to be top 3 before carlotta
unreal magnet
She had no competition back in the day
scenic condor
if we count encore sanhua and enchore changli as the same team
unreal magnet
scenic condor
She had no competition back in the day
encore sanhua was always better than her tho
encore changli too obviously
unreal magnet
encore sanhua was always better than her tho
Did not know that either
Since I don't have encore's weapon
scenic condor
yinlin's *
unreal magnet
Still her BiS
scenic condor
yep
with all this said tho
changli is still overall the most skippable 5* unit we got so far
as she doesnt really have a team where she's the bis
shes a very fun filler that fits into many many comps
but shes never the best choice
until we get a fire dps who can use both of her outro buffs
and then brant changli can team up with that new dps
old summit
in the end
jihnsi still has no true sub dps partner
lmao
not even a true healer meant for her
since verina is spectro
marble sapphire
the amount of time I use Changli in overworld + generally smooth combat more than justifies the rolls I used on her I feel
marble sapphire
vapid prairie
@ionic quiver codes for 1 roll for your broke ass
STARRYSTAGE
ALLEYESONUS
vapid prairie
last nimbus
X
ionic quiver
<@251147616501366797> codes for 1 roll for your broke ass
STARRYSTAGE
ALLEYESON...
thank you, i believe this 1 pull will give me rococo
old summit
thank you, i believe this 1 pull will give me rococo
it can if you use it during the soft pity
unreal magnet
<@251147616501366797> codes for 1 roll for your broke ass
STARRYSTAGE
ALLEYESON...
Thank you
unreal magnet
How excited would you guys be if Kuro made it an option in an event to turn off swap CD?
I think quite a bit if chaos would ensue
marble sapphire
nothing left to do but to wait or do the other sidequests...
unreal magnet
How about playing flying catch
marble sapphire
How about playing flying catch
whats that
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1i4rkss/translate_some_rumours_from_tieba/ according to a rumor it seems Black Shores plot was initially 3 versions long
just a rumor
vapid prairie
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1i4rkss/translate_some_rum...
Removed for misleading 
unreal magnet
Date?
unreal magnet
No I don't and i don't really care
But you seem like the type of person who'd visit qiqi daily in the pot
rough token
But you seem like the type of person who'd visit qiqi daily in the pot
If i like the character itself yea i would do these kinda thing
I'm the type of person that would do even the stupidest shit if i'm interested in something
marble sapphire
now i am preferring to get the harder ones out of the way first
marble sapphire
alright alright
i also had an idiot moment when i forgot to give one character my Emerald of Genesis hence cleared one floor too slow until i realized the mistake 
ionic quiver
rococo when again?
unreal magnet
3 days iirc
marble sapphire
vapid prairie
old summit
@marble sapphirehow hard is towers that just ended
as a cam player
since I see they have havoc res
marble sapphire
might have to take the L there
old summit
actually this ones is pretty easy wtf
marble sapphire
eh, most likely because people complained it was too hard
ionic quiver
they nerf it again or what
marble sapphire
nope, but I feel current Pincer seems...easier?
ionic quiver
what character did u use?
also what left and right tower this time
im really lazy
marble sapphire
what character did u use?
I'd need to load game up but I used Carlotta because favoured at least. Left is Spectro, right is Havoc
to match Jinhsi and Roccia
marble sapphire
middle is Spectro havoc
ionic quiver
wait middle is spectro havoc
zealous grove
weak jay
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1i54et1/ww_21_beta_apex_ra...
||friend is online, impossible||
zealous grove
||friend is online, impossible||
||ikr. Its magic. 
||
ionic quiver
heh joke tower
marble sapphire
huh
last nest
her new changes make it so you need to run SRover with Phoebe
And according to leaks her team will be Srover+Zani together
old summit
Looks like I'm skipping everything until that aero girl releases
And I'll finally have an aero dps
last nest
you prob also want to get the elf violinist cause she is supposdly an Aero sub dps
marble sapphire
And according to leaks her team will be Srover+Zani together
that seems to imply Zani might indeed give shields or something...
scenic condor
the brant changes
i cant
i really dont like how they turned him into a nuker instead of the nicely spread out dmg he had before
but a nuker who cant even build stable crit
this is so fkin bad
nerfing his qs potential too
open copper
At this point, I don’t think it’s that Kuro hates Quickswap.
But that 95% of beta testers don’t know how to play it.
scenic condor
At this point, I don’t think it’s that Kuro hates Quickswap.
they actively nerf it
brant got his animations shortened
so less room for qs
rough token
What the hell
It really is the easiest ToA
Usually there's 1-2 annoying bosses
This run got none
scenic condor
Seems like a buff to me
well the numbers might be but the qs nerfs due to shortened animations is not
nevertheless
putting more dmg% wont help
cause he still has the same issue
no ER from basekit
so hard to build him properly
scenic condor
What the hell
It really is the easiest ToA
Usually there's 1-2 annoying bosses
T...
and yeah this toa was really fkin easy
i didnt evne notice the hp buffs this time
unreal magnet
well the numbers might be but the qs nerfs due to shortened animations is not
I don't see any gameplay once again(probably just don't know where to look) so I can't compare
Also i don't get what you mean by him being nerfed for QS because of shorter animations unless he can't continue his attack string or smth
weak jay
🚮
zealous grove
roccia wants atk 1 costs right?
1-cost ATK%, yes.
old summit
ok good
I was hopign thats the case
and was saccing my def and hp ones
do I need havoc and atk for 3 costs?
zealous grove
Havoc + Havoc if you can since she gains 20% ATK from her inherent skill already iirc.
old summit
so havoc havoc no matter if I got sig or not?
zealous grove
Yup.
old summit
which one is better?
to use on char
these are the other echoes on her
right now she is currently using the atk one and I just got that new glacial one
oh nvm, maygi says glacial glacial is the go to for car?
I thought it was glacial atk if you have sig?
old summit
yeah I wanted opinions on which cuddle wuddle to use
because I thought if you had sig, glacial atk was the best combo
ionic quiver
we never said glaical atk was the best combo
we said glacial atk performance were -0.1% than glacial glacial
minor
the only thing that affected the performance more are subs
marble sapphire
we never said glaical atk was the best combo <:KEKW:818462009321586741>
you people told me glacial atk is better with sig tho... 
ionic quiver
how was it better if its -0,1%
ionic quiver
thats the easiest
old summit
???????
ionic quiver
not the easiest but
theres pattern
the green
the red
u can start with that
left side
marble sapphire
thinking about it, i wonder what to do with all the spare frosty resolve echoes...
probably some future character
marble sapphire
i already finished it, the hard solo way
scenic condor
Also i don't get what you mean by him being nerfed for QS because of shorter ani...
ok so. you know that the point of qs chaining is that if your animations long enough you can swap back after the qs and finish the combo? like xy midair skill
that depends on animation lenght
he also a camellya-like spin
which got shortened
cause they reduced the spin amount
it's in the middle of his midair of forte combo so you cant easily swap back and pick up the combo chain from there
thats why all the numbers in his forte are moving to the end of it
ionic quiver
calcharo QS 
unreal magnet
ok so. you know that the point of qs chaining is that if your animations long en...
That's my question. That changed?
Well we'll see how they're going to handle him
unreal magnet
The biggest troll would be to add him to the standard roster
The bench of clunky kits
versed solar
whens rock? aka roccia
old summit
I meant in general but I dont mind help either
zealous grove
whens rock? aka roccia
About 1-2 days from now.
weak jay
||damn i got ignored , he didn't see it 
||
zealous grove
||damn i got ignored , he didn't see it <:fofoThumb:1231013582653620285> ||
||I saw it. Don't worry. ||
weak jay
||I saw it. Don't worry. <:SofiDoIt:938141213612187758> ||
||are you slacking until roccia come up? 
||
zealous grove
||are you slacking until roccia come up? <:ForteREEEE:818473938858279004>||
||That is not out of the question... haha.||
old summit
isn't it nightmare heron？
the mat, not the actual echo
vapid prairie
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/comments/1i6fdrm/message_board_of_the_fo...
Pero has new clothes from the Strand
Dead people clothes
young forge
scenic condor
explo is the best thing about 2.0 tbh
it's soooo gooood
but then just dont come back lol
if u dont enjoy
go play hsr
im sorry
"play"
autobattle
scenic condor
go go
marble sapphire
scenic condor
lol
unreal magnet
https://youtu.be/eooE3Sz-AIs?si=Ie1CoI-Tqn7XPSyy
Actually impressive
zealous grove
ionic quiver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjsztcQ9bwc
THANK YOU SEKKA 
so moonlit is still better eh
great i can farm moonlit more
what does her sign weapon do again? @zealous grove
zealous grove
what does her sign weapon do again? <@265799672604524553>
Increase ATK 12%. Every time Basic Attack of Intro Skill use, Heavy ATK DMG bonus increase by 48% for 3s. (R1)
zealous grove
Yup
ionic quiver
the 2nd stats is CRate right?
zealous grove
Yes to that too
zealous grove
i can just pull yinlin sing to her
She's gauntlet though
ionic quiver
okay i can do that
thank god i can farm moonlit properly now
since i need to upg sanhua piece
rococo only want pure CR right?
70% CR max?
zealous grove
70% CR for purely buffing yea.
zealous grove
And maybe a tad bit of ER.
ionic quiver
but can we just put ER 3 cost on her?
or maygi disagree?
since her liberation is what we need?
zealous grove
Her 3-cost is Havoc-Havoc.
zealous grove
Havoc-Havoc since she does output damage reasonable damage too and her inherent skill is ATK%.
ionic quiver
so the extra DPS kinda stuff
zealous grove
Her lib buff applies to all team members
ionic quiver
all rounder havoc support
zealous grove
<@265799672604524553> and souine
unreal magnet
I think i now get what ariel meant by brant nerf
Do you need a plunge input after reaching the zenith of your jump for the anchor?
marble sapphire
https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWavesLeaks/comments/1i767n9/phoebe_movement_ability_in_the_open_world/ hmm, halfway between the flight and grapple i guess
scenic condor
Do you need a plunge input after reaching the zenith of your jump for the anchor...
you need to press skill again
so you have full forte then you do skill to spin on it and go up and then press again to anchor
i think
but the showcase is baaad
so it might be just the spin being a separate input
and the go up anchor thing is one input and then that can be swapped
but since they backloaded all this burst into that you cant really swap it or you lose the outro if you put any on him
restive dirge
Is it not possible to craft lower tier tuner from high tier?
scenic condor
Is it not possible to craft lower tier tuner from high tier?
no
why would you even want lower tier tuner
restive dirge
Cause I still havent unlocked lvl 15 data bank
So I have like 1400 premium tuner but nothing to use them on
And no advanced tuner
scenic condor
Cause I still havent unlocked lvl 15 data bank
tf
then unlock it?
what are you doing
you can farm that together under an hour
just track the missing echos
restive dirge
what are you doing
Only logging in to pull characters
Played such a minimal amount of the actual game
scenic condor
Only logging in to pull characters
what are you pulling with?
if you dont do anything else
and why even pull if u wont play them
huh
is this the hsr mentality
restive dirge
Naw just me procrastinating on doing content in every game
Ill do the dailies maybe run around a bit then log off
In every gacha almost
scenic condor
so
you are not actually playing any of them
you just....check in
like work or something
restive dirge
Did raise some to level 80 ish
scenic condor
just level up the databank lol
restive dirge
But yeah my progress is kinda cursed
scenic condor
as i said it takes an hour max
restive dirge
I probably will when I can lower my sol level tomorrow
scenic condor
restive dirge
Mobs take too long to kill for me atm
scenic condor
im so bad at relating to people like you it's crazy
i could never deal with cope
i honestly dont understand how ppl can do it
gbf is like the only game i ever played where i was cope
and where im okay with it
cause it's so much grind it's insane
restive dirge
Comes with being a scatterbrain who has trouble focusing on one thing
scenic condor
as someone dealing with adhd
restive dirge
Just didnt really care to do it before
scenic condor
i completely understand the scatterbrain thing
thats why i always have to listen to or watch something on the side
ionic quiver
so phoebe can fly
and walk on the water
@vapid prairie pretend im an idiot
rinascita "sentinel" fly
"threnodian" confirm to be leviathan
marble sapphire
why does Red need to pretend 🤔
vapid prairie
rinascita "sentinel" fly
"threnodian" confirm to be leviathan
Good interpretation. Lemme add some stuff.
The Imperator depicted by the Order of the Deep (that we know is wrong according to Black Shores) is a combination of 3 mythological creatures:
- the unicorn (horn)
- the pegasus (wings)
- the kelpie (fish tail)
It would make sense for Phoebe to embody the 3 in some way like the things you mentioned.
The most interesting mythology here is the kelpie. They are shape shifters that trick their victims by helping them till they reach a body of water and drown them.
ionic quiver
now its either order is the one who clueless or they are the instigator of kelpie
marble sapphire
they still haven't changed her walking on water? hrm
vapid prairie
now its either order is the one who clueless or they are the instigator of kelpi...
Hard to say really. The Order seems to be the tip of the iceberg compared to the corruption between all the families of Rinascita
ionic quiver
Hard to say really. The Order seems to be the tip of the iceberg compared to the...
lets say that it like this
the 3 myth creature that u said
we have to revise a bit
the rinascita icon is unicorn with wings
unicon , leviathan and the 3rd is kelphie
fractidicous or w.e the name could be the kelphie
and the weird one rn is montelli
the tools to control echo was owned by montelli family
thats why they can raise from 3rd rate faily to become the top ratest family
we have 3 faction now atm
vapid prairie
We do know that the lower people of the Montelli family do things that Carlotta isn't aware of.
ionic quiver
interestingly they are trying to shift the tools to control echo to the church
while phorlova just want to stir shit
and awaken the threnodian
but safe to say its already awake
vapid prairie
while phorlova just want to stir shit
Well. Phrolova is only indulging in it because of the plan being Cristoforo's
marble sapphire
...hm
no good havoc team, no problem with QS comp it seems
and its effectively spamming shit on CD
marble sapphire
new pincer
marble sapphire
later today for you
ionic quiver
great
vapid prairie
I cooka da pizza
vapid prairie
Am now broke on XP and tuners. Final build for now with 34.4 Heavy Attack bonus
haven't touched the traces
ionic quiver
she has double buff no?
the liberation once
and forte once
so u losing 248?
dk i just skim thru kits
vapid prairie
she used lorelei mats right? <@286421542449971200>
Yeah. I'm killing Lorelei later to use my enhanced chances on Heron
ionic quiver
i have yet to see empyrean set on memphis
stupid dogshit doesnt want to give me anything
my yinlin missing 4 cost
vapid prairie
she has double buff no?
Nah just once
Think an older version had the buff attached to the third slam rather than liberation
ionic quiver
yea
the 3rd slam give 200 atk and lberation give another 200 iirc
dk if they switch it up
vapid prairie
Double checked. It's only 200
vapid prairie
Anyway. I'd rather work on Camellya getting Double Crit on the new Crownless than slave for Roccia Crit Rate
vapid prairie
I didn't prefarm her. I was alright losing 50/50 and giving guarantee to Zani or Brant
First 3 stats really gave me hopium on this birb
vapid prairie
i reach 70% already on my rococo setup
Can I see your build?
ionic quiver
i screneshot for u later
vapid prairie
i screneshot for u later
Also how many bears you genocide for it
vapid prairie
i kept moonlit
You built Moonlit Clouds for her?
ionic quiver
yes
vapid prairie
Trash pieces on the new one?
ionic quiver
Trash pieces on the new one?
what trash pieces mean here?
its proper setup
like ER + CR
vapid prairie
what trash pieces mean here?
Useless pieces with HP DEF like usual. Just asking the reason you're picking Moonlit over Midnight
ionic quiver
maygi math it already
if ur rococo is for cam
moonlit is better
by a very very little margin
vapid prairie
I see
ionic quiver
u can also build rococo on midnight veil
but imo, salt
u need sign weapon for that
and ur rococo become a great sub DPS for cam
a realy good sub
vapid prairie
I already simped enough for Cam. I'm not rolling sig for Roccia
Speaking of simping
https://fixupx.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/1882133799418638782/photo/1
Surprised Yinlin is that low when she's 1.0
ionic quiver
im not really surprised
since player count were not that high
still a good number for 6.0
marble sapphire
Speaking of simping
https://fixupx.com/WuWa_Verse1/status/1882133799418638782/ph...
hmm, healer stonks...
ionic quiver
though carlotta number surprised me HAHAHAHAHA
marble sapphire
maybe because 2.0 had good amount of freebies or if a player is new...they just used their new player income
marble sapphire
...oh wait, this is most pulled, not revenue
old summit
Cam did really well
ionic quiver
unless they actually want zani
vapid prairie
X
ionic quiver
but still i contribute 2 SK there 
vapid prairie
It's a tracker website anyway
ionic quiver
nah people pull for waifu
old summit
Nah support
ionic quiver
rococo is not my waifu but shes fine
nah waifu
i can bet u that people pull for waifu
even before their kit release
people already want those characters
vapid prairie
Roccia is to simp for Camellya . Same reason people pull Bobin for Feixiao
ionic quiver
Roccia is to simp for Camellya <:GinHeh:924671148891971676> . Same reason people...
brother my robin is a mistake
i made a joke
that i never get 10 pull 5* in any gacha
then robin came out
vapid prairie
old summit
Na gets her banner right after current one ends right?
ionic quiver
and i never be able to do the " im so unlucky that i never get 5* in 10 pull" joke
old summit
There's no like 6 hour break?
ionic quiver
altho the mistake become a fucking great team comp 
feixiao aventurine robin + march 7th
vapid prairie
Should be right after Carlotta ends. 10 am server time
old summit
Do we get new whale packs?
vapid prairie
Yeah. new bundles appeared in shop for me
old summit
Ok good
vapid prairie
Wish you guys luck
ionic quiver
man those stuff i can never relate to
buying bundles 
altho i just bought FF7R and MH WILDS LMFAO
EQUAL PRICING
vapid prairie
Hope you guys dodge Chalk 50/50
ionic quiver
marble sapphire
currently too poor for new games
old summit
It's about buying the best cost efficient resource with your money
ionic quiver
currently too poor for new games
u can always pirate game first
and then buy it
i did that
old summit
Bro
marble sapphire
u can always pirate game first
Denuvo slows that down by a lot
ionic quiver
im playing dynasty warrior atm
get koie tecmo
forgot that his game is unproctected
👍
marble sapphire
Too poor for new games?
thats the thing, i got laid off last year, so that means i suddenly have a good amount of time....but not much money
marble sapphire
im playing dynasty warrior atm
for that, while I do believe everyone genuinely liking it, finding it fun or declaring how they finally struck gold after...uh, DW6 to freaking DW9. Currently dont feel like playing it but hey congrats to Omega Force!
ionic quiver
the thing that make DWO really good is the vast changes
great game now
good time sink
its not brainless hit and kill everyone
u have to time block
marble sapphire
also, i am an old-ish man who played starting from 2...
ionic quiver
altho the special art that guarantee parry is broken
marble sapphire
i do question why didnt they featured a create a character feature considering the game is essentially 5's Destiny mode but as its own thing conceptually...
oh well
ionic quiver
i do question why didnt they featured a create a character feature considering t...
i actually dk about this havent played that far
only know that cao cao give him a name because he knew our MC is nameless
and a good name as well
marble sapphire
i actually dk about this havent played that far
theres nothing to know, you only play the nameless MC mainly but i thought it was perfectly possible for them to have a custom chargen instead
ionic quiver
the story plot actually has that line tho
like theres a woman that know us, wear same clothe
she was the one that tell the MC that he has unique power
zealous grove
Yaaay! 
vapid prairie
Yaaay! <:LunaYay:858379431059783730>
Mamma mia
weak jay
Yaaay! <:LunaYay:858379431059783730>
||time for friend to stop slacking and carry people ||
ionic quiver
MAMMA MIA
ionic quiver
https://tenor.com/view/bugcat-capoo-bugcat-capoo-hi-greeting-gif-16357365
im curious
what if i skip all rinascita charater from 2.1 to 2.4
and pull on 3.0
can i S6 character
marble sapphire
Changli should rerun with Brant, but i am not sure who reruns with Phoebe
...hm Shorekeeper maybe?
vapid prairie
zealous grove
can i S6 character
Assuming 2 Wavebands on the shop, to 90% S6 a char, you need approximately this amount.
ionic quiver
HOLYSHIT
ionic quiver
ofc i lost
onto the next character
SAVED
@vapid prairie with basic weapon
with verity handle from XY rococo has 74% CR
decent ER and decent dmg bonus
double havoc
verity handle
vapid prairie
decent ER and decent dmg bonus
Noice
vapid prairie
How much pity was this after losing?
unreal magnet
can i S6 character
Only if lucky
unreal magnet
Assuming 2 Wavebands on the shop, to 90% S6 a char, you need approximately this ...
Why the random youhu
zealous grove
Why the random youhu
That's just placeholder for 4* pull prediction.
Like Jiyan's the 5* placeholder.
unreal magnet
Yeah, but 1 youhu
If you want to pull 5 5*
It drags down the odds by 0.0X% doesn't it
zealous grove
Sure, the result may drop needing +/- 1 pull from the site, sure.
vapid prairie
For the 0.00001% chance that you pull 5 of the S rank without Youhu
unreal magnet
For the 0.00001% chance that you pull 5 of the S rank without Youhu
Genshin meme of how 4* are harder to pull than 5*
ionic quiver
How much pity was this after losing?
60+
vapid prairie
I'm saving till Zani 
old summit
yeah after roccia
Im saving until the aero girl
no need to get another spectro dps if I have jihnsi
would rather get a sub dps made for her instead
unreal magnet
Aero girl?
last nest
I'm saving till Zani <:Slep:818673377371881473>
you will want Phoebe for Zani
Her team is supposdly Srover+Phoebe+Zani
unreal magnet
But what is zani supposed to do
last nest
But tbh I would get Phoebe anyway
She looks to have comparable numbers to Jinhsi with Srover and much smoother gameplay
And not being relegated to bossing
unreal magnet
I'd rather spread my DPS across the attributes first for coverage since i already have jinhsi
Unless she can convince me I'm not pulling
(she does look nice though and her gameplay looks fun)
old summit
Aero girl?
leaks say the elf girl is aero dps
old summit
But what is zani supposed to do
sub dps for phoebe
i dont even like phoebe's design that much
the only thing I like about it is that her shirt is loose on the bottom part
so it's like a psuedo underboob
unreal magnet
sub dps for phoebe
Doesn't rover fill that role pretty well
unreal magnet
the only thing I like about it is that her shirt is loose on the bottom part
What are you talking about?
old summit
if you look under
you can see like "behind" the shirt
as if your trying to see underboob
but its a small gap
restive dirge
First wuwa char Ive seen released that isnt top tier on prydwen
vapid prairie
She is better than Sanhua so prydwen is dumb
While it’s true that Roccia’s buffs come out slightly ahead of her and she certainly does more damage than Sanhua, she loses out due to higher field time requirements and the fact that Sanhua is free and Roccia is not.
But muh field time
last nest
Prydwen is also operating in perfectly spherical vaccum
In practice Roccia grouping is very good for Camellya due to her AOE damage on spin
vapid prairie
In conclusion, as things stand, while Roccia literally owns Pero, none other than the cutest pet in existence, pulling her on your account is a matter of specialisation. If you feel her AoE grouping and higher personal damage compared to her competitors warrant her higher field time and investment she’s a fine choice, but for those without the pulls to spare Roccia may not currently be worth it. In the event we see more AoE content, Roccia’s position within the meta is sure to improve, but until then even though she’s one of, if not the strongest Havoc supporting unit in the game she’s definitely a specialty pick compared to more generic options like Sanhua.
last nest
I mean prdywen doesn't do their own testing
last nest
It's just someone's opinion from discord
Might as well be a random 4chan troll for all we know
restive dirge
Arent all rankings just someones opinion
last nest
Yes. That's why prydwen is general unreliable for anything
restive dirge
Just depends if you trust the assessment
last nest
It's just 1 step removed from asking reddit their opinion
restive dirge
Compared to other online tier lists or youtuber rankings prydwen is definitely more accurate in my opinion
last nest
Roccia is unquestionably better than Sanhua for Camellya, does that make her valuble enough to pull? Up to you
I am skipping cause Phoebe is next
restive dirge
I skipped that crazy ho
open copper
Those Tier Lists just spam Tier 0 because they are afraid of putting some characters downwards. Shit would cause a massive flame war on comments
open copper
Pretty much.
restive dirge
Just invalidates your opinion
open copper
Having tier list with
SSS
SS
S
My favorite are those GBF tier lists that range from 9.5 to 10.
restive dirge
Zzz and wuwa dont have tier 4 and tier 5 units like hsr
open copper
It’s also a good example of why 1-10, or worse, 1-100 ratings scales are bad.
1-5 is the best one.
scenic condor
She is better than Sanhua so prydwen is dumb
shes NOT better than sanhua
shes better than sanhua a tiny bit for cam specifically
sanhua is universal af
mamma mia is not
you cant put someone in t0 whos probably the biggest skip since launch
lol
last nest
you cant put someone in t0 whos probably the biggest skip since launch
Unless Sanhua is suddenly in t1 than Roccia isn't t1
Cam is her main team atm.
scenic condor
cam is roccia's only team
while sanhua - once again - is universal
due to her speed
her speed alone makes her universal
the s6 buff is icing on the cake
last nest
Camellya is the main sanhua team in the moment
scenic condor
no
she gets the t0 cause of being universal
idk why is it so hard for you to understand
last nest
She is second best in every other team other than Encore(and nobody is playing encore)
scenic condor
why do u assume nobody is playing encore
also
specialized units who only support ONE character well will never be t0
and they shouldnt be
they are bad account value
look at it this way. not everybody has camellya
but everybody has a team where sanhua fits
sanhua is way bigger overall value to your account than wasting pulls on camellya's winmore support
last nest
Than make accoutn value tier list
last nest
IF the unit is better than alternative in the only relevent meta comp you can't put it lower
scenic condor
are you really trying to tell me
that a unit who makes the team dps improve by ONE K
is worthy of t0
are you really that delulu
last nest
Also of course this all forgets that Roccia has grouping vs Sanhua not having any
scenic condor
who tf needs grouping
last nest
Camellya
scenic condor
when the actual hard content is just boss slapping
what are you gonna group on bosses tell me
is this the "kazuha isnt crept cause grouping" cope?
last nest
We are litteraly getting a new endgame mode next patch come on
scenic condor
so will jiyan shoot up to t0 suddenly
last nest
Grouping is irrelevent in Genshin and never valued into Kazuha
last nest
so will jiyan shoot up to t0 suddenly
No he is just bad, sorry for telling you that
scenic condor
he clears just fine
roccia is the biggest waste of a pull
kek
well other than if you enjoy her personally
that's worth more than any meta advice
last nest
member of literaly best comp in the game
scenic condor
oh look
the already best comp
got a new member
and it changes nothing
cause they already were the best comp
wooo
totally worth
last nest
It does more damage and adds grouping
scenic condor
then how come the overall team rotation only improved by 1k
it's marginal at best
so that either means that sanhua did do dmg, or that roccia doesnt dmg either
or that it doesnt fkin matter cause cam will do the dmg anyway
and the content ceiling isnt high enough
so she'll just bruteforce thru it just like she did before
last nest
No sanhua doesn't, the calcs assume you are really fast at getting her of the field
scenic condor
i know
last nest
If you mess up the heavy attack for example it's a massive dps loss
scenic condor
i am familiar with it
last nest
Or mess one of animations cancels
scenic condor
i just said that as an example
last nest
Or get hit
scenic condor
to outline that it doesnt matter at all
last nest
All this calcs assume 1 target standing still
Outside of that scenario Roccia is even better
last nest
and off course she is still better than Sanhua even in that calc. And sanhua is supposdly t0
last nest
Like idk why are you even agruing you don't have Camelly
scenic condor
so? xd
last nest
So you don't need 2 sanhua's
scenic condor
i cant argue a value of a character cause i dont have her or her best dps?
last nest
yes obv. Sanhua has 2 teams. Encore and Camellya
So in TOA the value is getting to play in Fusion/Electro on one side and havoc on other
Now Roccia is actually a bad pull cause Camelly is getting powercrept in 3.4 prob
scenic condor
yes obv. Sanhua has 2 teams. Encore and Camellya
i dont play any of her teams
last nest
But not due to being better than litteraly the best support in the game in the best meta comp
last nest
She is really cope in Carlotta
last nest
Use taoqi at least
scenic condor
why? xd
why would i use a clunk ass bitch
over something smooth
when i clear just fine
last nest
do i clear just fine?
Weren't you malding on slash for slacking?)
last nest
In any cause, the next mod will get harder
scenic condor
nonono
go back
where is the slacking?
i clear max clear toa everytime
why am i slacking
scenic condor
heh
the goal is to clear
theres no difference between clearing faster or slower as long as it clears
the optimization only matters up to the point of getting max rewards of the content you are doing
beyond that the optimization loses its purpose from an efficiency standpoint
which is the only standpoint i care about
if i clear with no hassle
im happy
and playing taoqi IS hassle
shes incredibly shit to play
last nest
I would pull Roccia if Phoebe wasn't next
last nest
I don't win 50/50s unf anymore
scenic condor
would pull roccia for "meta" purposes
when other potentially more meta defining units are coming
and shes nothing more than a winmore unit on the already best dps
last nest
Phoebe is not going to be meta defying(at least pre Zanni)
scenic condor
it's like pulling furina specifically for neuvilette or something
im not sure about that
and i didnt just mean her
most ppl dont evn have the pulls for roccia
cause everybody pulled for carlotta
and they probably better off saving for future units
roccia is luxury
but you still did not answer me
you called me a slacker
and did not explain why
last nest
It's sad that 4star weapons are so ass here
last nest
You really want at least the 5* star on Phoebe
scenic condor
not sure how thats slaccing tho
last nest
but you still did not answer me
I already did, if you disagree that's fine lets move on
scenic condor
It's sad that 4star weapons are so ass here
curse of 100% wep banner
scenic condor
I already did, if you disagree that's fine lets move on
i mean. it's not even disagree. that legit hurt me
i find it offensive
last nest
curse of 100% wep banner
I should have pulled stringless back in the day
scenic condor
that you'd call ME of all people a slaccer
when you know full well how much i value efficiency
and staying on top of things
last nest
Not sure why if you can easy clear TOA tho
But still you have to admit that not bothering to build meta cause it works fine without it is still not fully optimising
Nobody even does calcs for Sanhua on Carlotta
Taoqi is ahead
scenic condor
taoqi is NOT meta
at all
lumi is better
if i wanted to build the most meta thing that i currently own for carlotta
taoqi is ass slow, does zero damage and very clunky to play
lumi has some semblance of dmg- not much - way faster than taoqi and less clunk to play
but at the end of the day she too feels kinda ass to me
so i opted out
i'd be a slaccer if i didnt clear toa cause i refuse to play meta
last nest
You can play quickswap and that would still do more damage than Sanhua
scenic condor
and i think you confuse optimization with efficiency
they two are related up to a point
but optimizing beyond a certain point is "winmore"
and thus. inefficient in my eyes
scenic condor
You can play quickswap and that would still do more damage than Sanhua
quickswap with who? 😄
last nest
Actuallu I think even yapyap is better
last nest
quickswap with who? 😄
With changli
last nest
Time to open the wallet than soon
scenic condor
not likely
my wallet is reserved for pgr
and potential birb c6 in genshin if i must
sanhua will be retired next patch tho
last nest
and potential birb c6 in genshin if i must
is her c6 even good?
scenic condor
brant will replace her
scenic condor
is her c6 even good?
it's amazing
she becomes a better xiao
but birb form spam instead of regular plunges
and a nice amount of free cdmg
it's definitely overkill tho
cause c2r1 birb is already very capable
c6 is more cause i just LOVE spamming her skill
and c6 lets me do that infinitely
i love c6s that change playstyle
last nest
Fair, you skiping Phoebe right?
last nest
I guess I am mixing it up. Well hope you pulling for Zanni than
last nest
Zani prob takes Phoebe over the edge into powercreeping Jinhsi
scenic condor
wuwa is not nearly sweaty enough that i wouldnt be able to clear with my current roster and my own gameplay skill