Wuthering Waves

[manic rune]

?

try the one from prydwen , i guess

i assume the worm is the bugs

coz i havent start going through the area yet

[vapid prairie]

Welp. I managed to find them before the map I used added them

I got the bells and worms before their addition to the interaction map

One more thing

[manic rune]

im doing it tomorrow

[marble sapphire]

i almost lost the story fight...wonder if thats on purpose

hmm i see ||1.2 = black shores + possibly more Camellya||

[vapid prairie]

Can someone check something for me? Teleport here and tell me how many monkeys ambush you immediately

It seems they have nerfed the encounter here from 4 to 2

[manic rune]

i remember theres like 3/4 ?

[marble sapphire]

||(Optional) Ski down the mountain <- you receive no rewards but its a bit fun||

[manic rune]

lemme open the game

[vapid prairie]

It becomes an actual point challenge later

It's just a fun slide atm

[manic rune]

seeing encore sliding down on her shoes is kinda funny

[vapid prairie]

HSR Clara: Pathetic

[marble sapphire]

its nice that they are varying the minigames, i dont think i see this much in Genshin

[manic rune]

seems so

i only have 2 here

[vapid prairie]

Probably nerfed because imagine getting jumped by 4 elites when trying to ascend your chatacter

[manic rune]

skill issue

[vapid prairie]

I only notice because I massacred them for Jianxin

[zealous grove]

When I go there, they fight each other anyway. Not so bad for me.

[vapid prairie]

Racism

Indication that we have one area left in Jinzhou

[manic rune]

||and its probably not next patch unless black shores is 1.3 ?||

[vapid prairie]

||Stall Camellya ||

Now to wait 24 days till Changli

[manic rune]

[marble sapphire]

hrrrm

i guess Jue echoes are pretty limited opportunity if its restricted to the weekly challenge

[vapid prairie]

Current Changli build. Might need to get a bit more basic atk

[marble sapphire]

as far as i know you cant leave the domain without spending the waveplates no?

that means limited 3 echoes per week...

[zealous grove]

You can just leave the domain by pressing ESC?

That's what I did when I farmed for Dreamless before

[marble sapphire]

hmmmmm

lets try that

oh i can

nvm then

[vapid prairie]

https://fxtwitter.com/jared_nyts/status/1806609486305497291

[marble sapphire]

i wasnt the only one

[ionic quiver]

anyone trying tacet?

they buffed it or no?

or the drop is still dogshit

[vapid prairie]

Only used it once today so i can't say

[ionic quiver]

@vapid prairie u wanna bet how long my credit went to 0?

this is my UL now

14 solvent

[vapid prairie]

More like your Asterite going to 0

Time to sleep till next event

[ionic quiver]

BROOOO

[vapid prairie]

I give up on this boss. That backflip move

[young summit]

https://fxtwitter.com/kizuato523/status/1806191467263930831?t=-4EXJZzAjnUnB3ombV0p1g&s=19

[vapid prairie]

@ionic quiver Good luck trying to go broke
https://fxtwitter.com/WutheringMedia/status/1806723721866174964

[zealous grove]

No Nanami

[formal jetty]

[nocturne tinsel]

this was using shop dupes right?

[young drift]

bought 1

yes

S3 was a relevant enough damage upgrade

felt worth it

[nocturne tinsel]

playing new story
EN voiceacting has upgraded itself from bad to cringe

[formal jetty]

Yangyang sounds less annoying now

But i get Abby

[young forge]

they give you press buttongs on Changli

berry cool

also you saw ZZZ shown more units from each team, Neyuh?

[young forge]

yapping cutscene between dragon and jinshi is abit too long

[scenic condor]

alr how r we feeling abt jinhsi

i read that she made yuanwu meta

[scenic condor]

how much money oo

also i hope 1.2 has support

cuz everybody needing verina aint it

[young drift]

2 monthlies and a BP so far

[scenic condor]

tf

u just got lucky then?

or skipped the entire 1.0

[young drift]

I didn't pull Yinlin

[scenic condor]

but u got jiyan?

what im askin is how many pulls did that take

😅

[scenic condor]

to know if i need to be salty about it

jesus

gross

so gross

BANWORTHY

[young drift]

360 coral for S3

[young drift]

not meta but finally has a use

he generates her stacks really consistently and fast but doesn't do much else

[scenic condor]

hes her best option next to yinlin

and yinlin is busy on electro side

[young drift]

but easily replaceable once we get a better coordinate attacker

[scenic condor]

so yuanwu is her only choice

sure

but for now hes meta

for her

[young drift]

people say Jinshi does 1.5 more damage than all the DPS in the game currently

and she just feels good and fun to play

don't regret going all in

[scenic condor]

I told ya

powercrep gonna be hsr level

but it shouldnt matter cuz no content

tower too paper

[last nest]

Were our Midyuang than?

[scenic condor]

cal says hello

exact same situation too

[young drift]

yea nobody more mid than cal

[scenic condor]

has to jump thru 1000 hoops to hit same dps as ungabunga units

[young forge]

no cal is diluc

[scenic condor]

also jinhsi is a huge disappointment to me

[young forge]

Jinshi is poster girl
local analog of Archon ig

[last nest]

I got Cal today, I want a refund

[young forge]

sureley Changli will be as good

[young drift]

Changli felt good in the lil story trial

doesn't do as much burst damage as Jinshi but feels like good consistent damage overall

[restive dirge]

Ah fuck

[young forge]

Slash

Yanqing main

in every dimention

[last nest]

I'll wait for leaks. If Camellya doeesn't come in 1.2 I should be able to pull for Changli

[scenic condor]

wuwa has this cool swap mechanic and forte bars and cool shit genshin doesnt have, but they actively ignore this. jiyan jinhsi both just basic genshin style, pop support swap to dps then mindless unga. disappointing af

[restive dirge]

Very next 10 pull, very cool

Got max con sanhua now as well

[young forge]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[last nest]

Gib. I only got 1 Sanhua in 150 pulls

[restive dirge]

I did 60 pulls in total

[scenic condor]

everybody sacc today i see

[last nest]

At least my Dajin now is R3

[young forge]

im not ganna be swayed

ill wait for changli

[last nest]

I pulled Jinhsi in 70 and than Cal in 50. Plus 70 for AOH

[young forge]

and them drop

[young forge]

they poke us towards black shores

[last nest]

Yes but we already got leaks for 2 new chars presumably coming in 1.2

Could be a filler patch

It's xiangli yao and zhenzhi supposdly

[nocturne tinsel]

about jingyuan release strength

[restive dirge]

Shes that mid? Kek

[nocturne tinsel]

she requires a team built around her but she rewards you with well above rate DPS
but due to her mechanics it's unlikely she'll ever recieve a good buffer

[last nest]

So we might be getting a guy in 1.2

[nocturne tinsel]

jingyuan was very good on release
then fell off over time because he just couldnt get the tools to keep up

then had a bout of relevance when sparkle arrived and gave him said tools

before we had insane powercreep that rendered him irrelevant again

[last nest]

Jinhsi deals like 1.5 more damage than other dps. Idk how you can compare her to Midyuan

He was dead by the time blade showed up

[nocturne tinsel]

she doesn't deal 1.5 as much

[last nest]

And honestly I am not even sure if he was even good on release. The only other options for lighnitng damage was Serval lol

Than Kafka came out and she was a lot better even if CN hated dot

[restive dirge]

Now that Ive finished elden ring dlc I might play this game more

Still havent progressed much

[scenic condor]

this just proves that yall hated jy for nothing

[nocturne tinsel]

her s0r0 does 35k dps

s0r0 encore does 32k

[restive dirge]

I liked and enjoyed playing JY a lot on release

But he fell off a cliff

Even harder than seele tbh

[scenic condor]

the perfect buffer for her would be spectro coord unit with spectro dmg buff on outro

imo jy got way stronger

as time went on

with rm

and hanabi

but i dont play anymore so idk how hsr is

[last nest]

Imagine not having signurue weapon

[nocturne tinsel]

RM and sparkle gave him the tools he needed to stay relevant

[scenic condor]

so ppl spouting that jinhsi so op broken omg omg oomg

are lying?

if shes barely above encore

[last nest]

Worse than Cal trust

No need to pull.

[restive dirge]

When did you stop playing hsr?

[last nest]

Better to aim for standard banner for more cal dupes

[scenic condor]

ave patch

the last straw was when gepard e3 spooked me on ave banner

i uninstalled right on that spot

and never looked back

[restive dirge]

Shame, 2.2 was really good

[last nest]

And than Acheron happened

[scenic condor]

it was the meanest spook ever

fkin same class

i was so happy

for a second

but tbh im happier now

hsr is a shithole game

i hated the gameplay

so much

i only stuck around for the characters

but now im free

[last nest]

Time to get spooked by Lionboy here instead

[scenic condor]

still lionboy-free

😄

and i wouldnt mind it that much tbh

[nocturne tinsel]

the gap widens with sig
s0 r1 does 42k
but s0 r1 encore does 36k still and s0r1 jiyan does 39k

[scenic condor]

collection

[restive dirge]

Now firefly effortlessly destroys the game with what is essentially hyperbloom 2.0
no crit relics, f2p characters

[nocturne tinsel]

but thats still nowhere close to the 1.5x damage claim you were making

[scenic condor]

is encore calced with stringmaster?

if jinhsi is calced with sig

[last nest]

I've seen wery diffrent calcs but idk

[nocturne tinsel]

the r1 encore is calced with stringmaster

[scenic condor]

lol

so people LYINGGGG

to hype up new waifu

kek

as usual

honestly my first goal is to get a dps for every ele

then i can go sink into husbando collection

[last nest]

We prob getting male in 1.2 so you might want to skip than

[young forge]

its ok
aiur cleared 2 MoC 12s now with FF w/o any gear
new one in 2 cycles

[scenic condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KmyDiUEH-E

ah letsgo

my favorite dude

[nocturne tinsel]

jinhsi is strong, don't get me wrong
but she's not stronger enough than everything else to be must pull unless you are pushing to s2r1 or beyond

[young forge]

sureley Changli will be on par

with poster CN girl

[scenic condor]

dps for every ele is top prio

after that husbandos are prio

[last nest]

But what if husbando is also a dps?

[restive dirge]

I dont have much pulls left, only like 30

[nocturne tinsel]

changli seems to have slightly lower damage, but has actual supportive capabilities

[restive dirge]

So will actually have to play and do shit

[scenic condor]

im only missing spectro and cryo

unless 1.2 husbando is one of those

[nocturne tinsel]

so she can go on teams without them having to be 100% about her

[scenic condor]

then hes a skip

or if hes a support

if hes verina 2.0

then sure

but i dont need more dpses of the same ele

[young forge]

loose 50/50 on jinshi to ling
get her in next 10 like Slash

noted

[last nest]

Than you should pull for Jinhsi and get spooked by lionboy

[restive dirge]

I got yinlin in 30 pulls as well

[scenic condor]

@nocturne tinsel is jinhsi sig that needed?

im assuming she'll do ok with jiyan sig

[nocturne tinsel]

I'm personally pulling for changli to buff my chixia
and if I fail I get taoqi for the same role

[scenic condor]

even if half the passive is garbo

[restive dirge]

Luckier by far in this game than the other ones I play

[scenic condor]

changli i'd love to have

[restive dirge]

On degenbrecher in AK I lost 4 50/50s in a row

[scenic condor]

i love her playstyle

but idk how to put metaslave head aside

[last nest]

wait how will you fail? Their is 90+ pulls in 1.1

[nocturne tinsel]

failing the 50/50

[last nest]

Did you already clear the entire map?

[nocturne tinsel]

I have not

[last nest]

I think you should be able to guranty Changli than

[nocturne tinsel]

I probably will end up getting changli but its good to have a contingency plan

[restive dirge]

Shes the phoenix char right

Saw a vid

[nocturne tinsel]

especially if once leaks come out we get a better idea of the future

[last nest]

yes

[restive dirge]

What role is she gonna be

[nocturne tinsel]

I'm going for c0 taoqi no matter what

and depending on pulls/leaks I'll circle back and see if pulling changli is still a good idea

[nocturne tinsel]

hybrid similar to sanhua/danjin

[restive dirge]

Nice

[nocturne tinsel]

where she does decent damage while giving very good buffs to next char

[scenic condor]

shes sanhua powercreep for encore

[restive dirge]

Hope I can get enough else just gonna shill out a bit

[last nest]

Just pull her in 30 pulls like with the other banners

[restive dirge]

I dont expect my luck to last

[nocturne tinsel]

not quite

encores ult damage is a relatively small part of her DPS

[restive dirge]

I really like sanhuas kit

Simple but effective

[nocturne tinsel]

so it's 20% across the board and 45% on 13% of her DPS
or 38% buff on 45% of her DPS, less field time needed, and better energy gen

[scenic condor]

so

what

just gimme a definitive answer

sanhua vs changli

for encore

i like changli a lot but shes bad timing

[nocturne tinsel]

the buffing capabilities are fairly close (with changli on raw damage buffs not accounting for rotation coming out slightly ahead)

[scenic condor]

so

changli is bait

if u have encore

is what ur saying

?

[last nest]

Atilla plans to use her with Chixia obv

[nocturne tinsel]

I'm saying it's close enough that it'll have to come out to rotation/team calcs

[young drift]

Changli is only worth if you want to main DPS her currently

[scenic condor]

alr changli skip then

shes so hot

but

i like encore a lot

i dont need another main dps for fire

i should check if spectro side toa can be cleared off-ele

then maybe i can skip jinshi too

if jiyan can clear it

then no reason to roll

cuz i have no attachemnt to her at all

nor do i particularly like her gameplay

and she doesnt look good to me either

so

zero reason to pull other than "we need spectro dps"

but if we dont

then i can skip

[last nest]

Coming in assumingly 1.2. Gun.

[scenic condor]

pls be a fkin support

PLEASE

i need a 3rd support

whos not baizhi

cuz im never gonna play baizhi

or just anybody with a fast concerto

[last nest]

Monk?

[nocturne tinsel]

changli is more futureproof than jinhsi

but her banner is so trash

[scenic condor]

who

[last nest]

I didn't see the fast concerto part

[scenic condor]

oh yea

jx sucks ass to me

yeye good succ

but shit concerto

no thanks

so far im rolling with verina and yy

[nocturne tinsel]

changli isn't really a main DPS imo

[scenic condor]

anyway atilla

answer me this

do u think the elemental bias of tower sides is big enough to warrant a dps for each ele?

or u think it's easily bruteforceable either way

[nocturne tinsel]

not unless HPcreep gets insane

[scenic condor]

oh wait we do have elemental immune shit inside

[nocturne tinsel]

res is a 30% dmg penalty at most

[scenic condor]

i need to check if spectro side has aero immune

[last nest]

They can change tower at any moment. Or add other endgame

[scenic condor]

we do have immune shit tho

like havoc prism and what not that is straight up immune

like slimes

[nocturne tinsel]

and unless they have 2x of 2 different immunes or 3x of one
3 element teams will be enough to take it down

you just need to be smart about where each team goes

[scenic condor]

m

sanhua dupes do be tempting tho

i want her s6

shes only s2 for me

[nocturne tinsel]

go for it

[last nest]

Good luck with that. 150 pulls for 1 copy for me

[nocturne tinsel]

she has great energy gen and a good outro

[scenic condor]

s3 check

[nocturne tinsel]

so she'll stay relevant for a long time

[scenic condor]

s4 check

variation

pooog

oh danjin s6

thats okay ig

tho i wont play her

i hate her model

[restive dirge]

I got max con sanhua as she appeared in almost every single 10 pull here

[nocturne tinsel]

back to the changli vs sanhua topic for encore
sanhua deepen is a functional 17% damage buff
changli is 23% which is close enough that if changli doesn't end up doing replacement level damage her lengthening the rotation might end up being a DPS loss

likely will be an upgrade

but the calcs will need to be done

bc its not clear cut

[last nest]

The math nerds have done tremendous damge to gacha society

I blame Keqing

[scenic condor]

blehh

aalto spook

okay we still get free shit right?

later

10 pulls

or something

or i could buy the shop ones

but maybe save that

[last nest]

10 yellow, 10 green and 10 weapon

[scenic condor]

mm

that should get me a pity

[restive dirge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232742759178178681/1234278578548641902/silverwolf_justpull.gif

[scenic condor]

true

[nocturne tinsel]

for chixia however
taoqi is a 16% boost (while being actively bad to use)
while changli is a 28% boost

[scenic condor]

letsgo

oh

5*

i hit pity alrdy

wtf

calcharo

yuck

go away you shit

[nocturne tinsel]

which is means you're getting more QOL, energy and a bigger buff

[scenic condor]

i dont like you anymore

[last nest]

I am a little worried about having to buy 21 pulls from shop every version. Might run into problems there if you skiping a patch

[restive dirge]

Just skip the standards maybe

[nocturne tinsel]

nah standards get you weapons

[restive dirge]

I guess

[scenic condor]

calcharo s1

does it even do anything

[last nest]

That's what I did in Genshin when going got tough but weapon banner here is a lot better use of green pulls

[nocturne tinsel]

it will make skipping patches a bit rough until you start getting 4* s6 dupes

[scenic condor]

more energy every 20s

this is useless

thank you

get me ult extension pls

so i cna play this mofo

[nocturne tinsel]

once you get s6 dupes your income goes high enough you can afford to skip more patches

[last nest]

Just wait for ligthning verina with ult extension deepen

[scenic condor]

calcharo is so copium i caaaaaaaaaant

how can you fuck over the coolest looking character

is beyond me

[nocturne tinsel]

I don't think we're getting ult extension external buffs for a long time

[scenic condor]

if ever

BUT

[nocturne tinsel]

because that kind of thing severely limits future design

[scenic condor]

im actually coping on the fact

that tower is simple

[nocturne tinsel]

(and may be hell on the code)

[scenic condor]

so cal can probably clear electro side

even wtih only 2 dms

which is shit dmg but maybe enough

with good echos

[last nest]

Not like you have a lot of options there

[scenic condor]

and yinlin doing the heavy lifting

i do

hmc yinlin

clears better

most likely

yinlin does so much fking dmg

[last nest]

That clears every side

[scenic condor]

and with calcharo dropping every rota

hmc just does better with yinlin

[last nest]

Well, no need for Yinlin there tbh.

[scenic condor]

even if not electro

[nocturne tinsel]

hmc doesn't clear the havoc prisms

[scenic condor]

but i do wanna play more calcharo

cuz hot

i just havent figured out a way

to not feel shit about him

[last nest]

Your verina?

[scenic condor]

and his low ass damage

[last nest]

Just imagine he is Razor instead

[nocturne tinsel]

his damage is fine
but uh his early cons are so bad

s1-2 basically do not exist

[scenic condor]

his damage is shit

without 3 dm

i saw the charts

it plummets so hard

BUT

tower is paper enough that it should still clear

so im forcing it

cuz hot man

with his hot mommy friend

[nocturne tinsel]

at s4 he becomes a monster

not as good as lim s4s ofc

but its something you can get eventually off of spooks

[scenic condor]

so just to be clear

u agree that cal yinlin can still clear just fine

even with 2dm cal rota

instaed of 3

[nocturne tinsel]

probably
havent looked at new abyss

[scenic condor]

need more supps truly

[nocturne tinsel]

ok prydwen has published their jinhsi results and has s0r0 at 43k dps
gonna see what assumptions they had that are so different to cause that discrepancy

[last nest]

Are we in the "prydwen cookes their books worse than Juve" arc yet?

[nocturne tinsel]

(because this is the problem with prydwen where sometimes they have wack assumptions)

and unfortunately they don't publish their sheets :majj:

[last nest]

I mean, their assumptions are just taken from discord users no? It's not like actuall owner of Prydwen is doing this calcs himself

[scenic condor]

atilla is biased against prydwen

cause they fked up chixia

[scenic condor]

their stuff is taken from their team

[nocturne tinsel]

I've been a prydwen cautionary for longer than that

[scenic condor]

and it's the same ppl

so it's not like kqm

[nocturne tinsel]

this is a consistent issue

[last nest]

So as I said, folks from discord

[scenic condor]

where it's voluntary work by randos

[last nest]

Prydwen discord

[scenic condor]

cuz kqm has huge ppl shortage

[scenic condor]

ah i thought u meant randoms

CHANGLI WHY ARE U SO HOT BITCH

[last nest]

Kqm was so funny, No matter how hard they tried they couldn't cope Keq into being meta for 2 years

[scenic condor]

this is yinlin effect all over again

must resist

sanhua effcient enough. no need for changli

..<

[nocturne tinsel]

they have the exact same rotation as iamrivenous's sheet (who is one of their associates)

[last nest]

Changli is super hot. I think I will pull

Plus she plays Go

[scenic condor]

oh so supposedly trustworthy

cuz rivenous is great

[nocturne tinsel]

yes
but Iamrivenous's sheet has her at 35k

[restive dirge]

The only factor

[nocturne tinsel]

so I'm trying to find out where the discrepancy came in

[last nest]

She reminds me of Yae if Yae wasn't such a bitch

[restive dirge]

Fiammetta is still the best gacha spicy chikn

[nocturne tinsel]

ok I see where the discrepancy lies

iamrivenous is assuming 20 stacks

prydwen is assuming 40

so I'm assuming then that they're assuming 2 different styles of teams
with prydwen leaning towards something like yinlin verina that doesn't really buff her but can max stacks out
and iamrivenous leaning towards taoqi yuanwu that can buff her but doesn't get stacks

[scenic condor]

oh shit

i just wanted an amity accord

3 pulls

[last nest]

Did you pull Jinhsi?

[scenic condor]

no

i lost

the 50/50

and im out of pulls

[last nest]

You know what you have to do

[scenic condor]

yes

do story, 100% explo the new region

wait for the free pulls

etc

no rush

[last nest]

What, no, I ment credit card! Support small indy devs(s)

[scenic condor]

hey

i support them plenty

monhtly 200$

they eat from me

and i cashed nicely in wuwa for 1.0 too

so im all about supporting kuro

just more on the pgr side

cuz theres actual stakes and payoff to my investment

opposed to wuwa

[last nest]

That's what I am taking about

We need PvP

[scenic condor]

not in wuwa tho

economy is shit for that

pgr having pvp is good

cause everybody is guaranteed every new S rank

even on f2p

and it's not "real" pvp anyway

[last nest]

Give me rtpvp. Can't wait to ban Verina every time

[nocturne tinsel]

nice

[scenic condor]

now i wonder

i think jinshi sig is better for cal than jjiyans

if assuming i can make up for the subs

with cdmg

cuz at least he does some skill dmg

while he does no heavy

[last nest]

How does it compare to verdant?

[scenic condor]

no calcs on it

but

by using my brain

it should be better

[nocturne tinsel]

is it really gonna beat this?

I guess with crit main it might

[scenic condor]

ofc

im not running shitty atk sub wep

and i dont even have it

so

it's up between jiyan and jinhsi

jiyan passive is useless

only the 12% dmg boost applies

and thats the same for jinshi wep

except the skill dmg is actually "useful"

or well...at least cal does some skill dmg

but at the end of the day probably depends on his subs

if i need crit or cdmg main stat more

also jinhsi wep just looks better on him

[nocturne tinsel]

i mean lustrous was already better than verdant

[scenic condor]

lustrous is ugly

im not touching that

[restive dirge]

Looking at f2p weps for jinhsi and the gap between sig and nearest 4* is huge

[scenic condor]

also

prydwen clowns forgot about autumntrace

for some reason

[scenic condor]

welcome to "yay 100% rateup wep banner"

this was bound to happen

but i think autumntrace should be that far behind

not sure why they forgot about it

[last nest]

The comparion really should be to 5 star from standard banner cause it's what everone will have eventually

[scenic condor]

i guess cause she cant use the passive at all

18% better than razor

still kinda huge

[last nest]

her weapon looks better than Changli one

[scenic condor]

sigs are just huge in this game

honestly

[last nest]

Pulling for sig weapons will be hard

But at least we get passive 7 pulls for weapons income

Per version

[scenic condor]

did we get new tacet field?

for spectro

or it's still only the one with spectro/atk

[last nest]

Didn't check. I finished pre farming echos for Jinhsi before patch

[scenic condor]

dunno if the grandma is npc jail

or

maybe playable

but i want older woman like this to be playable

would be revolutionary

[restive dirge]

Would certainly be bold

[scenic condor]

hoyo chickened out on madame ping too

cuz we gonna get her young version as playable

[last nest]

Just go forward and you will find out

Find the end of the story in your own way(c)

[restive dirge]

Are there even any female gacha characters that look past 35?

[scenic condor]

like...ever?

yeah

but not many

[restive dirge]

You got an example?

[scenic condor]

gbf has granny rosine

[last nest]

Sniped

[restive dirge]

Hivemind

But yeah thats a good one

[last nest]

tbf she is like the only one

and she is only r/sr so not even remotly playable

Gbf actually has bunch of older dudes but only dudes

It has some nice desing variety

[scenic condor]

older women have no sex appeal

older dudes do

imagine sexualizing grandma

[restive dirge]

Id really want some mature women and not just pseudo 30 year olds that act mature

[scenic condor]

while older dude you can easily go buff with

gbf has multiple buff older dudes

genshin has varka if they ever release him

AK has helladad

[last nest]

That's just problem with Anime where eveyr female char is in the ambigious 16-25 age bracket

[restive dirge]

Men in the silver fox stage of their life are actually the most attractive

[scenic condor]

yep

well if they got the body to back it up

nobody wants frail silver fox

[restive dirge]

I mean sure

[scenic condor]

but heck

gbf even has that

theres sevastien

whos not buff at all

[restive dirge]

But just think of mads mikkelsen

[scenic condor]

but thats butler trope

[last nest]

Their is sleepy potato

[open copper]

16-25 is giving too much credit. I feel like most anime only go as high as 18.

[last nest]

The only actuall archtype for old women that comes to mind would be Baba yaga from slavic folklore

[scenic condor]

it's just the world's misogyny

women are only worth something while they are fertile and "in their prime"

men are worth forever

[last nest]

But anime witches are very diffrent so that doesn't work

[open copper]

You only really see anime adults in female oriented media.

[last nest]

Well I meant games like Genshin and more mainstream ones

[scenic condor]

heck it's not even just gachas

[restive dirge]

But 40-something milfs are the hottest

[scenic condor]

think of league of legends

camille i guess

but shes a fkin android

barely counts

sex sells

and women past their prime are not sex

so wont sell

[last nest]

LoL is a bad example. They admitted multiple times that sexy women sell much better than monsters

[scenic condor]

it's true for any game

im just explaining why older men exist

and older women dont

i'd love a cool grandma

kicking ass

[last nest]

Prob for older women is that we as socity kind of expect men to be able to fight even in old age(not realistic at all btw) while women aren't expected to fight at all

[scenic condor]

well then make them a support

throw cookies at me

i dont care

but it's sad that they have zero visbility

[restive dirge]

Snapfire from dota 2

[scenic condor]

society telling women that they are not worth to be seen post their prime is saaaad

[last nest]

Add here the fairly toxic buety standards and society really only puts value on older women from point of view of family

[restive dirge]

Granma riding a fire breathing lizard

With guns

[scenic condor]

this is why i applaud hades 2

despite me not liking hestia's design

but the thought was good

having a sweet old grandma burning your ass

her being black and very very british makes less sense

but that i can chalk up to stylistic choice

and im happy that wuwa took the time to make this grandma npc look nice

even if they are just npc

it doesnt look like a stock npc

[last nest]

Another thing is that due to Tolkien and dnd nerds a lot of magic jobs are perceived as masculine by default. Like an old archmage will always be a dude even if the setting has 50/50 gender split for mages

[scenic condor]

yea cuz old magic lady = witch

whos up to no good

[last nest]

I think that most of npc's that aren't just copied?

[scenic condor]

yeah

it's nice

wuwa npc design is one of the best i have ever seen

[last nest]

Another funny explanation is that female mages always prioritize youth/beauty over their male conterparts.

Which is just nonsese. If I am a powerful magic guy you bet you ass I will put my effort not to look like old sack of shit

[scenic condor]

yeah it's the same reason. woman's worth = beauty

so wicked old lady seeks to be young again so shes worth something

[last nest]

But the only series were male wizard uses magic to look buetiful is Witcher

[scenic condor]

well stories about men wanting to look young and beautiful do exist at least

like think of dorian gray

oh hey actually

cinderella grandma fairy

was pretty strong

and not youthful

so

theres a point to disney ig

[last nest]

I always read that story as a metaphor. Good looks = Hiding you true nature from society.

[scenic condor]

well also there was quite a lot of gay tones to dorian gray

so

theres that ig

no self respecting straight man will care about their looks - the message

anyway please tell me wuwa granny doesnt die

by the end of this story

[last nest]

Funny considering how aristocrats were well known to obsess over their looks to the extreame

[last nest]

She isn't dead

But you might not like the story I suppose

[scenic condor]

@nocturne tinsel rivenous says if we have jinhsi sig then atk/dmg% is better than 2x dmg% on the 3 cost

[nocturne tinsel]

come join limbus where you can use 2 different middle aged women

[nocturne tinsel]

correct

because you get 48% dmg bonus from sig

and you don't get many sources of atk%

but either way just go with the better subs

[scenic condor]

gameplay still ass im sorry

im not goin down that rabbithole again

[nocturne tinsel]

[scenic condor]

r99 in the same boat

peak designs

shit gameplay

[nocturne tinsel]

the gameplay got a lot better post release
but if the core loop doesn't do it for you, nothing will ever change that

though I will ping you when meursault gets his canto since he strikes me as your type

[scenic condor]

r99 just put out my type guy

i almost downloaded

but then i remembered the shit gameplay

so i didnt

[formal jetty]

Zzz gameplay looking kinda peak ngl

[nocturne tinsel]

gregor, yisang, and meursault look like the chars that would do it for you

gregor got cheated out of his canto tho, but maybe we'll get a revisit there bc it left so much unresolved

[scenic condor]

gregor no

yisang maybe

meursault YES

[nocturne tinsel]

yisang is more or less done storywise until we go to Ncorp (which we'll do in meursault's canto)

[scenic condor]

think of it like this

my type of guy

is wrio

wrio is like 100% of my type of guy

[nocturne tinsel]

so def not honglu or heathcliff

though maybe gubo fits the bill

which is another character we probably won't see again until meursault's canto

[scenic condor]

wrio is the perfect blend between brash brawler whos gonna bust your ass but caring dad whos gonna hug you and brew tea for you if ur feeling sad

his style too

ahh

i love him so much

[nocturne tinsel]

ok then post canto VI heathcliff actually might do it for you then

[scenic condor]

thoma is actually a close second

with the caring husbando

but hes a bit too young probably

but with time he can grow into a wrio

sans the childhood trauma

rexlent the true kuro stan

[nocturne tinsel]

bc after canto VI he got his shit together, decided he wasn't going to let himself be defined by his cathy and his time in Tcorp and has started becoming the dad of the group

and so far is the only sinner who has confronted the ghosts of his past head on and came out the other side better for it

[scenic condor]

ppl recommending mortefi for jinhsi

cant read

wait rivenous also recommended mortefi

noooo

my guy

prydwen also being clowns

with the mortefi recommendation

[nocturne tinsel]

mortefi just does a lot of damage and stacks well

[scenic condor]

but

mortefi

wont trigger

[nocturne tinsel]

doesnt buff

[scenic condor]

cuz all of jinhsi's attacks

are skill

they wont proc mortefi

at all

kek

[nocturne tinsel]

mortefi still triggers when "not jinhsi" is on field

[scenic condor]

who

you gonna auto with verina to proc that mortefi?

bitch pls

just use yuanwu then

[nocturne tinsel]

mortefi and whoever your 3rd char is

I don't think that mortefi is correct long run

[scenic condor]

it's like suggesting beidou for raiden

[nocturne tinsel]

and you're better off mixing buffs and stacking

[scenic condor]

just cuz "the other team members can proc her"

[nocturne tinsel]

rather than full stack

[scenic condor]

and baizhi is also shitty

yes sure she has coord

but that concerto takes AGES

[nocturne tinsel]

well here you're not running mortefi for his damage (although it is nice)
you just want to max out stacks

[scenic condor]

and you wont go back into jinhsi without an intro

[scenic condor]

but then why bother with mortefi at all

just takes up field time

when u could have yuanwu take up no field time at all

[nocturne tinsel]

if you run full ER + concerto weapon on baizhi she doesn't take that long

[scenic condor]

she felt horrible to me everytime

[nocturne tinsel]

basically echo Na4Eult

the issue is when you cant intro and ult

[scenic condor]

i really hope 1.2 has a support

[nocturne tinsel]

we're likely not getting a good support for her for a while

[scenic condor]

it's so fkin shit

not for HER

for anybody

[nocturne tinsel]

oh

we have changli

[scenic condor]

support as in

verina-type thing

teamwide buff, fast concerto

[nocturne tinsel]

we have turtle for that

[scenic condor]

i can cope with yy for only so long

[nocturne tinsel]

[scenic condor]

i think the best course of action is to keep verina for the last fight

and just cope with whoever+turtle on floor 1 2 3

but i really hate when gachas just push out dps after dps

[formal jetty]

Support doesnt sell

Sad but tru

[nocturne tinsel]

looks at furina sales

[ionic quiver]

i pull furina because i like her in story, thats all

i didnt even look at her kit

i settle after i C6 her

[restive dirge]

Pretty bonkers cons

Much like nahida

[formal jetty]

Isnt she an archon

That should warrant pulling

[scenic condor]

where is this tru

[scenic condor]

not really

also im sure everybody owns kazuha by now

even if his release banner was shit (cuz bad timing and TC wasnt good on him at the time)

tho idk what counts as "support"

[restive dirge]

Sucrose sidegrade

[scenic condor]

he mean that statement is still true

it just doesnt make him mid or "just skip" automatically

[scenic condor]

oh db21 didnt need all echos on gold

[manic rune]

u need like 4 if u alrdy collected everything before

[nocturne tinsel]

still is a c6 sucrose sidegrade on base
its just that c6 sucrose is that insane
also lowkey easier to get kazuha than c6 sucrose now

kazuha has a higher ceiling bc he has better weapons to choose from and better aura (and has some other shenanigans)
but the buffs are very similar

ok finally got to xinyi

please make her a playable character

kurogames I am begging you

first dollmaker and now her

[ionic quiver]

@nocturne tinsel what is this wording

what is incandesence?

her forte circuit?

[vapid prairie]

Your Eula stacks for big pp nuke damage

She holds up to 50 Eula stacks

Now where the Eula set up of 5/300

[nocturne tinsel]

yes it is her forte circuit

its essentially c6 eula as c2
and will likely leave her the god of speedruns

[old summit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbIRgnaDPWM

[manic rune]

en

[marble sapphire]

EN voice acting high pitched characters ever

[ionic quiver]

so u dont just spam the jue nuke?

u wait until it max then u nuke?

[open copper]

I hate these sniper enemies.

[vapid prairie]

Glacio Dreadmanes are worse

[vapid prairie]

But we have access to S6 now tho

[vapid prairie]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WutheringWaves/s/huGzKff0zr

People realising that Abby isn't Paimon

[burnt mortar]

why do people hate emergency food

[open copper]

Because Mihoyo uses Paimon to handhold the player, and pad the wordcount.

NPC: Explains something.
Paimon: Repeats what was said in the most childish way possible.

[shy lotus]

hey, ive seen the people here

they dont read

no wonder they had to make paimon

[open copper]

NPC: I am using an umbrella to not get wet from the rain.
Paimon: UmBreLLas are a MAN-MADE PRoduct that StOPs cLOThiNG Getting WET (clothing getting wet is bad because it ruins the clothing by making it wet.), By BlOcKIng the RAIN???
THAT’S INCREDIBLE, TRAVELLER, WHOEVER CREATED IT MUST BE SUPER-DUPER SMART!!!!!!

[nocturne tinsel]

the fact that they have chixia s0 at 30k DPS but have her a full tier lower than danjin who barely hits that at s6 still baffles me

danjin is in the wrong role

and is only there bc danjin mains are insane and will attempt to solo anything

[vapid prairie]

Gotta shill Havoc because Dreamless and HRover gud

Also. Chixia has too much field time = bad

[nocturne tinsel]

danjin should be in the hybrid role

not main DPS

[nocturne tinsel]

ah yes
the unbearably long field time of *checks notes*
10 seconds

I will say their assumption for pre c4 that your team will have a 28s rotation where this 10s field time unit will be your main damage dealer is wack

[vapid prairie]

Takes up a large amount of field time to execute her best damaging combos

[nocturne tinsel]

the chixia page is just a mess

they updated her calcs

and nothing else

and the calcs went from using an unreasonably bad rotation
to making unreasonably good assumptions about your team
(now she does have a rotation that works on a 21s team rotation that does almost as much damage but they're not using that rotation)

[marble sapphire]

unlike Rover, Traveler has minimal to no dialogue unless its on player prompt. This often means that Paimon speaks whatever they would speak...and also repeats stuff and whatnot. While part of it is indeed GI's staff's fault... the playerbase have also shown that without all the repeating and whatnot, the player would be much, much more lost due to not reading/lack of intuition

[last nest]

Bigger problem with Paimon is lack of agency on mc part

Essential Paimon tells you what to do in 90 percent of situations

Add to that is her character bring pretty inseferuble and one note and you get bad mix

[marble sapphire]

i know Encore attacks a fuckton but geez...wasnt expecting my echoes to mostly roll CDamage

[old summit]

question

was there a chest after ||the jue fight||? I dont think there was but just making sure

[hushed light]

Yes

[old summit]

???

I dont think there was????

[manic rune]

i tested jinhsi for a bit in there , didnt see a chest

if there is one , it will be in front of the exit so u wont miss it unless blind moment\

[hushed light]

Istg there was a chest in there

Or this is peak Mandela effect

[manic rune]

i just checked some yt video

theres none

[rough token]

Got insane spectro echo stats with low effort
But no Jinhsi
Fucking hell, guess it's another set for mc

[old summit]

who uses spectro rover?

lmao

[rough token]

That's the thing
Nobody
But oh well

[scenic condor]

1.1 story picked up nicely

i must say

im pleasantly surprised

i actually read most of it

[marble sapphire]

was it partially because of phoenix booba

[scenic condor]

no

i skipped the abby part

and then it was good

and interesting

somehow

tho some technoblabla is still lost on me

pheonix booba is SO GOOD THO

so sad i have to skip her

[marble sapphire]

excuse me, i dont think that was a 'no' 😛

[young forge]

my 2 gripes were Abby yapping and cutscene of dialogue between Jinshi and Dragon was a bit too long

[marble sapphire]

hrm if I end up uninterested in 1.2 I might just roll for Changli towards the end of 1.1

[manic rune]

i might be tripping , but did they made encore basic attack able to parry

im pretty sure i parried once yesterday and once today

[marble sapphire]

you might be..

[scenic condor]

it was always a thing

encore basics can parry when in ult

[manic rune]

its not ult

[scenic condor]

oh

[manic rune]

thats why i asked

[scenic condor]

u sure it was basic?

[manic rune]

ye

[scenic condor]

hmmmm

[manic rune]

i just mindlessly spam basic

[scenic condor]

too much techno shit

what is sonoro sphere again?

[manic rune]

idk

i breezed through the early 1.0 stories until like act 4 or something , likely skipped the explanation

[scenic condor]

ikr

[marble sapphire]

sonoro sphere = pocket dimensions

no, I didn't read either, it was extrapolation

[scenic condor]

oooh no

jue is a shit boss

fkin flying snek again

[rough token]

Wdym Jue is fun

Hitbox porn once again

About to kill Calamity Crownless diff 4
Electricity died right when i landed the last hit
FUC-

What are the chances man

[marble sapphire]

[rough token]

Also this was an hour ago
Electricity back now

[manic rune]

god says no

[marble sapphire]

||https://vxtwitter.com/palitogodd/status/1806757126947439088?s=46|| guy who posted this say an upcoming character might be a Lee expy purely from appearance and atfack sounds...hm

[vapid prairie]

Too Loong

[manic rune]

about the encore parry earlier , its probably this i didnt even know it was a thing

[young forge]

her plunge can parry

[manic rune]

i know that

[young forge]

idk about any normal

[manic rune]

i was talking about just basic

[young forge]

may be you just emptied enemy toughness bar

?

no?

[manic rune]

my fren told me her 3rd basic can parry

[young forge]

the drop down of doll?

[vapid prairie]

Me figuring out which parts of Jianxin's heavy and ult can parry

[manic rune]

nope

[manic rune]

it happened on normal mobs

so thats not it for sure

[young forge]

idk then

[weak jay]

friend like nanami

[zealous grove]

[weak jay]

[scenic condor]

the middle tower is so nasty

will take like another month before we can tackle it properly

[vapid prairie]

They should do two Level 120 Glacio Dreadmanes as a ToA challenge

[scenic condor]

also it's really fucking stupid

that we have full ultimate at the start

but not full forte/concerto

i have to spend the same amount of time stacking up this way anyway

so first rota is botched

[marble sapphire]

and fully cleared the beginner zone tower now...hmm, only got the rotating ones now, but i think i need more levels

[quasi moth]

I completely forgot that I had nuff saved to do 30 pulls on jinshi lmao

25*

[wintry maple]

It's over Anakin, i have the high ground

[vapid prairie]

Now cheese the Howler Duo for me

[wintry maple]

With this shitty auto zoom when intro skill bug i can't face it directly

[wintry maple]

Which one?, i don't remember every echo name

There is another red enemy on 1.1?. I already beat every red enemy on 1.0

[vapid prairie]

1.1 red enemies include:
Lvl 120 Clangbang
Lvl 120 Lightcrusher you just fought
Lvl 100 Glacio Dreadmane duo
Level 120 Lumiscale Construct

[manic rune]

clangbang

[vapid prairie]

I have beaten the level 120 one. Level 100 Glacio Dreadmane Duo is torture

[vapid prairie]

Wait. Respect if you beat the Level 120 Monke trio

[vapid prairie]

I wanna Clang Bang Changli

[manic rune]

[marble sapphire]

hmm did they ever confirm nor deny if Changli is also a native of the island?