most maps actually hinder walter just as much as normal 6*
#Arknights
willow nymph
Is crazy
Her range and stupid damage are her main 2 advantages now she can die
quaint arch
~~most maps actually hinder walter just as much as normal 6*~~
But i heard you can just Reroll it anyways, if you're good on luck
willow nymph
Those casters arent kidding
willow nymph
~~But i heard you can just Reroll it anyways, if you're good on luck~~
You reroll for emergencies not to avoid them
quaint arch
You reroll for emergencies not to avoid them
Someone speedrun it with that
hallow garnet
quaint arch
Clearly i won't be able to do such
hot rampart
so whats the is5 out of control equivalent
is4 i hate musical disaster the most but at least the amount of enemies in it isnt as much as ooc
walter filter
tardy vigil
Damn a frontline unit died and defense artillery killed my whole squad
Myrtle defense protocol activated
5 sarkaz slugs shall not pass
ebon sphinx
wanton stratus
willow nymph
ngl load is such a big issue that you need e2 tin can
wanton stratus
Finally Degen Mod lv3
tardy vigil
Raising Leto to 60 was such a mistake 
wanton stratus
Yeah, you should’ve raised her to 50
tardy vigil
LMD is too scarce
hot rampart
lvl 80 to 90 cost as much as e2 lvl 1 to 80
tardy vigil
lvl 80 to 90 cost as much as e2 lvl 1 to 80
Aka total cost is doubled each 10 lvls
(1-80)x2 = (1-90)
tough matrix
done
now that I have mint's outfit, I now have every single phalanx caster's outfits (excludin lin, because I don't have her)
hot rampart
F
hallow garnet
when is lin outfit coming anyway
quaint arch
Next 3.5th Anniv Event
versed compass
its very nice to have your own reedic
versed compass
no its a d15 run
also non of IS4 deeps actually give more temp chance
its really just rage that allow such things
tardy vigil
Farm efficiency table feels like a scam
It says "besides ch8 best stage for crystal is s5-9"
Ok go in, 5 runs 0 crystals. Checks rate - 33%
tardy vigil
will 33% look like good rates for a mat
9-14 has 58% chance
versed compass
talulah walk
hot rampart
its an option for new players cuz u need to clear chapter 6 , 7 to access 8
otherwise cope with s5-9
or
9-14 which is more accessible
versed compass
or 9-14 which is faster crystal but no tier 4
hot rampart
sounds fair
bleak mirage
Yes
hot rampart
quaint arch
RMAs
tardy vigil
newbies when trying to raise new units :
I don't
Wait Crystals are coming next event
Guess I'll just farm some quest books instead
tardy vigil
Omg the anni is sooo long
You really need to fight only the last 50 enemies, but have to wait 10 minutes to grind first 350
hot rampart
yes its how they are designed since like the 5th anni and onwards
ebon sphinx
https://twitter.com/yostarshopakiba/status/1813846174282969436?t=G0ya_vHNmV9JLTcVS_0APQ&s=19 Aussie bunnies
Twitter
tidal hawk
Are they all cautus?
ebon sphinx
https://vxtwitter.com/TabOjisan/status/1813898241584631949?t=nm5pV5nj689_bh216xwQPg&s=19 you can hear the Yato voice come out for a moment
wanton stratus
Shikanokonokonokokoshitantan
glacial breach
Ok so bit of trouble
Looking at my bank history it looks like I was charged twice for the monthly headhuting pack when I bought it last month
There were some technical errors when I was doing it but I didnt think it was actually gonna charge me twice
If I bring the issue up to googles play store and request a refund, will arknights ban me?
wanton stratus
If I bring the issue up to googles play store and request a refund, will arknigh...
It’s possible, I’d say
They are rather picky when it comes to chargebacks
fluid verge
found this
seems like ur gonna have to provide invoices as well
it seems yostar will freeze ur account if u try to refund through google/apple
so yea support email first
glacial breach
Ye
Okay sent an email with screenshots of the paypal invoices
Hopefully can clear it up
tardy vigil
Daaaamn
Make me praise buying everything second-hand
If intermediatery is charged twice it's their problem
wanton stratus
Wdym second hand
mossy tinsel
Cuora's module just makes her more tankier huh?
tardy vigil
Wdym second hand
from a reseller
willow nymph
Third party buyers are against tos and yostar can ban you for it
wanton stratus
from a reseller
Ah, right
wanton stratus
Third party buyers are against tos and yostar can ban you for it
Bro doesn’t have a choice
hot rampart
theres a grey area
if u didnt abuse the currency exchange by buying through a cheaper currency on a different country through said 3rd party they may turn a blind eye
big if
glacial breach
Yeah toptups through third party sites are legit enough
Using VPN to get better currency rate is what risks a ban
mossy tinsel
Anyone got Lv90 Eyjafjalla?
fluid verge
Mine is m6 but no modules if u want it
mossy tinsel
Yes please.
mossy tinsel
Mine is m6 but no modules if u want it
Are we friends in AK?
willow nymph
Yeah toptups through third party sites are legit enough
No it's a grey area that's explicitly against tos just not acted much upon
hallow garnet
Anyone got Lv90 Eyjafjalla?
still need?
mossy tinsel
Yep
mossy tinsel
With the volcano icon erupting.
mossy tinsel
Yay! Thanks Ariel!
hallow garnet
mossy tinsel
TMW you have to use a weaker sniper just to stall the boss and avoid overkill.
mossy tinsel
Bruh, it's not my fault that the boss not having enough HP. Blue Poison is too good.
tardy vigil
if u didnt abuse the currency exchange by buying through a cheaper currency on a...
I don't - since there is no currency exchange for Russia
Well, apple users still can do purchases
Idk, it works so idc
ebon sphinx
https://vxtwitter.com/ArknightsEN/status/1814163463880728607?t=JzPJnQNa6BV1EgpP7ciOiQ&s=19 incoming 🌾 field
hot rampart
fertile
hot rampart
we shoulda get reed rerun before
quaint arch
True... Although that's not major
fluid verge
Bountiful verdant valley
hot rampart
Twitter
tardy vigil
That sounds extremely unreliable
hot rampart
for sure
willow nymph
https://youtu.be/xG-U3RNS1Lc
4 absolutely stupid takes before the 1min range
hot rampart
trying his best to become most hated AK youtuber ✊
willow nymph
already #1
hot rampart
but he will never beat tectone
willow nymph
the nymph showcase is hilariously funny to me (because it's "even stronger" 6*)
considering nymph is literally getting mostly told that lmao >logos
despite all the hg propaganda
yeah he just said what i expected him to say 
hot rampart
logos increased the ceiling for casters overall so that the basic floor is also increased for future casters possibly i hope
willow nymph
tl;dr archetype identity is still respected but supah's gonna ignore that
6*s bypassing archetype restrictions is common enough even on release (look eyja dealing aoe arts)
hot rampart
i still dont know why they didnt want to make better eyja until logos
willow nymph
Jessica is the most sentinel defender that could be considering they are
Tanky dps with both an offensive and defensive skill along with some measure of cc on skill
Ray plays around her hunter mechanics instead of bypassing them (and yes s3 from a full charger still has like 3 extra shots so it's good to not ignore archetype), bullet recovery with sandbeast is also another thing + range extension allows you to not waste bullets and let her charge
Typhon is idk how it's even a point it's "ooga big dph def ignore sniper arche does big dph def ignore"
Deadeye walter is some real shit tho 
willow nymph
the main trait of flinger is having extremely high dps AND good range for an aoe unit but very much countered by def and not hitting air
walter doesn't have downsides but as pointed eyja just better aoe casters so why not walter just better than aoe snipers
not that she isn't a terrible case of powercreep
hot rampart
not hitting air is such a bait and pointless argument everytime
hot rampart
theres a lot of other shit on W kit hitting air is the smallest part of it
willow nymph
excluding delta mod
hot rampart
mountain
willow nymph
it's mostly because of the just rosmontis
hot rampart
brawler is dogshit and complains about muh archetype identity shouldnt really be a thing
no characters should have their leg amputated becuz MUH IDENTITY
willow nymph
brawlers were fine y0 genuinely
indra is mostly scuffed because y0 sp costs
flint is aight destroyed by def
jackie beehunter both have their own niches in 4*s
they aren't op op meta
but they have their spot
hot rampart
they all are just clearly gonna be fucked even against mid def
willow nymph
Indra straight up doesn't
flint has high enough dph on s2 because of multiplicative trait
jackie beehunter sure but 4*s always are counters and not general cookie cutters
(ethan jaye being exceptions)
glacial breach
Yostar told me to request a refund through google and it got approved in 5 mins
now to just hope they dont ban me blindly when they told me to do it kek
glacial breach
One issue is that they specified the order I should refund by ID
but on google plays transaction history page there are no IDs
So I had to blind pick between the two
And I picked wrong
Its still the same cloned order so I dont know if thats gonna be a problem
ebon sphinx
could update them on it
tardy vigil
no characters should have their leg amputated becuz MUH IDENTITY
Downsides is a good thing
Imagine ray without bullets
3 shots to stack second passive (it is always active)
3rd skill just dmg
2nd skill less CD on dmg buff, making it almost permanent
Without passive ray just "drop and kill everything"
willow nymph
yeah downsides and upsides create niches of uses instead of just slap generic defender generic dps and generic medic
especially so in ak
tardy vigil
yeah downsides and upsides create niches of uses instead of just slap generic de...
All in one btw
People praise ak for it's depth
Depth is created by downsides
hallow garnet
yeah downsides and upsides create niches of uses instead of just slap generic de...
isnt this kinda the point of the supah vid tho?
that these 6*s remove most of the downsides
tardy vigil
that these 6*s remove most of the downsides
Not really
hallow garnet
degen literally removed the only downside of swordmasters
tardy vigil
For every 6* I have I feel their particular weakness
hallow garnet
being on-hit sp
tardy vigil
Well, idk about degen
tardy vigil
Walter don't exist
hallow garnet
ray i disagree cuz she still has the bullet mechanic so that sticks
fluid verge
I love waltuh 
tardy vigil
Typhon is prime Sieger or whatever
hallow garnet
jessicat i disagree cuz the shield is a part of her and sentinel def is about the damn shield
typhon kinda bullshit
with s3
fluid verge
I love how bullshit waltuh is
tardy vigil
Typhon s3 isn't bullshit
hallow garnet
but like what was the big thing of besiegers anyway
isnt it hit big hp shit and awkward range?
typhon removed one of it
but thats ok ig
it's not as big of an offense as degen
hallow garnet
40/25 aint a long downtime
tardy vigil
It's good at her job, but not more
hallow garnet
lol
do you even know what long downtime is?
but yes i dont think typhon breaks besieger that much. s2 is very much classic
so i mostly agree on degen and walter
tardy vigil
40/25 aint a long downtime
40/25?
willow nymph
degen literally removed the only downside of swordmasters
no their downside is being squish 2 blocks with off recovery
degen ignores that by disabling enemies + auto on s3
ch'en has sp talent
Irene had the highest off skill damage to compensate for not having help
tardy vigil
Man do you have typhon?
You use this skill once 80 seconds
It takes her a millenia to unleash it
willow nymph
isnt it hit big hp shit and awkward range?
hit fatties (she does that)
targeting priority (she does that)
ignore def (she does that)
tardy vigil
It's terrible in "take random map"
tardy vigil
So it isn't bullshit
willow nymph
then in order of totter todd and rosa
✅ ✅ ✅
✅ ✅ ❌
❌✅ ✅
yeah she's very much a besieger
tardy vigil
no their downside is being squish 2 blocks with off recovery
degen ignores that...
Squish?
hallow garnet
ii agreed she is a besieger
tardy vigil
Isn't she immune to melee
tardy vigil
Oh yea
willow nymph
Squish?
Their defensive stats are very mid when compared to other guard classes
even if it matters less now and more dps = less damage taken so they hold rather well
tardy vigil
There still feels nuance to characters if content is of appropriate difficulty
hallow garnet
long downtime to me is something like mostima or SA without retreat
tardy vigil
A lot of nuance in fact
willow nymph
they have like 2k5 hp 350def and 0 res
Lords beat that in every category
for example
same for centurions
tardy vigil
long downtime to me is something like mostima or SA without retreat
Typhon problem is long cast time
You don't press button and delete
hallow garnet
i think u misunderstood me
tardy vigil
You press button and
DD EEEE LLLL EEEE TTT EEE
hallow garnet
by bullshti i meant supa argument
tardy vigil
Ok
hallow garnet
thats why i said i agree with the degen and walter part
tardy vigil
Game breaking powercreep
It isn't everywhere
It's ok for 1/5 characters to be game breaking and doing everything
willow nymph
don't mind me they actually have a little bit more hp
hallow garnet
it's less ok cause they raise the ceiling too much
tardy vigil
Would be funny if HG releases harder content for people who pulled everyone in this half a year
willow nymph
but they do have less def and no res
hallow garnet
and the next one will be even more broken
tardy vigil
and the next one will be even more broken
Eeeh
hallow garnet
and then they will have to come up with ways to circumvent these broken ops
tardy vigil
They can release niche mid units
willow nymph
otherwise they cant make challenging content at all
actually is5 is very much a case of playing maps properly
hallow garnet
she wasnt?
willow nymph
How soon was Texas overshadowed?
She wasn't?
people complained because you just brought both to kill 99% of maps
by spamming them in relay
willow nymph
they have their own niche despite being busted
for example imo is4 kirito is way better than texas
but is5 texas wins
willow nymph
tree of thoughts are ass
tardy vigil
They could make "same power level" units for different classes
And like 2 years later bring up power level again
willow nymph
they do tho ?
They are pretty strict on skill total damage and it all ends up around the same places at the same periods
tardy vigil
But 2 years later it's ok because we won't care by this point
willow nymph
like the fact both mly and chalter dish out ~110k phys dmg over their skill
tardy vigil
They are pretty strict on skill total damage and it all ends up around the same ...
Eeeh
It's a shallow argument
Game is not only about dmg
Unit can do ceiling dmg AND....
willow nymph
why tf is hag a base medic?
cos she's pre archetype update
willow nymph
doesn't matter she could be her own solo class
hallow garnet
yea
hot rampart
MC privilege
hallow garnet
walter being flinger makes no sense too
cuz walter is obviously ros class
with uh
willow nymph
she has widely different
hot rampart
it makes sense with the amount of firepower she just got
hallow garnet
aaaaaaaaaa i cant remmerb
hot rampart
rosmontis is a shame that 4 fucking pillars of steel does wet noodle damage
willow nymph
walter being flinger makes no sense too
It actually makes sense lore wise
hallow garnet
the shame is that ros was shit on release
i'd be fine with her being shit now but on release she should have been stronger
tardy vigil
It actually makes sense lore wise
W is also "flinger"
hot rampart
she was strong imo but S3 only attacking blocked units and blocked units OUTSIDE her range but still blocked by her summon and she doesnt fucking attack them???!!!!!!!!!!!!
willow nymph
because so far all flingers but the cat are using arts to help throw their shit
and flinger is also the only class that could have thrown random shit
tardy vigil
Idk what her class, but it does same shit
hot rampart
yeah she amputated her leg with that s3 downside
willow nymph
Aoe sniper
tardy vigil
Aoe sniper
So flinger 
willow nymph
no
hot rampart
meanwhile walter design cue for her S3 doesnt have said downside so u can see how much damage a flinger can dish out abnormally
willow nymph
cos they have slow ass aspd high atk
while flingers have low atk aftershocks and good aspd
tardy vigil
Oooh
tardy vigil
So Walter is bad against armor?
willow nymph
meanwhile walter design cue for her S3 doesnt have said downside so u can see ho...
Walter also has an abnormally strong damage scale talent
with absurdly strong summons on the other
hot rampart
So Walter is bad against armor?
no this is flinger weakness
willow nymph
So Walter is bad against armor?
No she has stupid high dph
willow nymph
being "bad" against armor doesn't exist when you do 1.5k arts dps and hit for 6/4k
hot rampart
her offskill dps comparable to an afk skill
s2 still falls flat against high def at least it has a clear weakness
and doesnt resummon
tardy vigil
Walter also has an abnormally strong damage scale talent
with absurdly strong s...
Wdym high dmg scale talent?
willow nymph
Goes from hitting 3 targets to being able to hit same target 4 times
willow nymph
Attacks deal 115% damage to the main target and attach an afterimage on them. When an afterimage is hit by Wiš'adel's aftershocks, there is 15% chance to explode, dealing 160% (+10%) Physical damage to all nearby enemies and Stunning them for 1 second
tardy vigil
willow nymph
problem about this talent is it's proccd by the summons
hot rampart
i dont get this part actually
willow nymph
so you basically always deal 160%
willow nymph
does it apply afterimage ?
it applies afterimage
afterimage only procs on aftershocks but you just proc it several times
tardy vigil
> Attacks deal 115% damage to the main target and attach an afterimage on them. ...
So? Why is this "insane scaling"?
willow nymph
because you deal 115% damage on your autos
and aftershocks deal 50%*115%*160%
tardy vigil
multiplicative damage
Atk% buffs like stainless turrets are 1/3rd effective on her
Because she has ATK +180%
willow nymph
Atk% buffs like stainless turrets are 1/3rd effective on her
this is multiplicative
hot rampart
cuz its arts damage
willow nymph
When we talk about Viviana multihits suddenly don't matter
because it's arts and it's straight dps
if vivi had higher atk% it would be the same no one cares
hot rampart
she also doesnt attack multiple targets
the thing about flashy operators are always if they can attack multiple target at once
if u want single target damage to be flashy do it like typhon or ray
tardy vigil
this is multiplicative
It doesn't matter how much multiplicative buffs you stack
What matters is how much additive atk% she got
If Walter gets 100% atk from an ally her DPS increases 33%
hot rampart
it does matter cuz idk a lot of numbers increase and another set of numbers on the other side waiting to be multiplied with each other
that 33% is still making it bigger so
willow nymph
tldr s3 walter aftershocks deal 6k each
tardy vigil
If Walter gets 100% atk from an ally her DPS increases 33%
Yes you increase fucton by 33%
civic linden
the thing about flashy operators are always if they can attack multiple target a...
phalanx caster true aoe my beloved
willow nymph
mine so scuffed
hot rampart
phalanx caster true aoe my beloved
they dont do mlynar damage so DOA
they so afraid of giving arts damage higher total damage WHEN their total damage will always be reduced by a huge % unlike physical
civic linden
but it's still fun
hot rampart
ik
willow nymph
they so afraid of giving arts damage higher total damage WHEN their total damage...
logoat chads stay winning
Only arts skill that's on par with phys skills in terms of total damage
tardy vigil
But it's not what you call "insane dmg scaling"
You know who has insane dmg scaling? Ray with +0% ATK in her kit. If on her own Ray does 8k hits every half second then at +100% atk from ally she will deal 16k dmg every shot
willow nymph
cumge
hot rampart
But it's not what you call "insane dmg scaling"
You know who has insane dmg scal...
ray is the highest possible tbh
:ehh
willow nymph
But it's not what you call "insane dmg scaling"
You know who has insane dmg scal...
idk baseline walter deals 20k /shot
i call that insane
civic linden
i don't mind this new powercreep units as long as they don't raise the dificulty floor to compensate
hot rampart
they dont yeah
willow nymph
it's not so it's irrelevant
civic linden
mlynar/surtr/eyja have existed for a long time so eh
tardy vigil
walter still deal just as much damage yeah
With 5 times longer interval
I wouldn't buff Walter
willow nymph
archetype identity is a thing and that was the point of this discussion
hot rampart
With 5 times longer interval
theres literally direct comparison of their kill speed and its almost the same time
i dont think people should care about AK powercreep much cuz its a pve
this powercreep units will make everyones life easier
those who chose to make their life harder can chose not to use this powercreep units
civic linden
i imagine that the people complaining of is5 dificulty is cause of no one having the permanent buffs unlocked + not used to the new maps
willow nymph
omw to use exu because she actually still is buffworthy
tardy vigil
Waltuh gonna be op in poo
willow nymph
i imagine that the people complaining of is5 dificulty is cause of no one having...
totally not used to the new maps
tardy vigil
With -60% atk decreasing dps by nothing
hot rampart
i imagine that the people complaining of is5 dificulty is cause of no one having...
people complain about everything and using something outside of themselve as scapegoat
willow nymph
is5 is really fun and some maps really boil down to clever body placement +defender pinecone
hot rampart
and uh there's a lot of anti walter measures
i only remember the big violins with shield
willow nymph
that's one
hot rampart
its so funny
tardy vigil
i dont think people should care about AK powercreep much cuz its a pve
this po...
I am arguing against you guys slaping every imaginable compliment onto Walter
Walter is good
hot rampart
I am arguing against you guys slaping every imaginable compliment onto Walter
kinda pointless yeah she is good
tardy vigil
But not with extra atk%
hot rampart
trying to downplay her prove nothing
she is broken
giving her buff will still make her dealshitton of damage ontop of shitton of dmg
its overkill
willow nymph
But not with extra atk%
We didnt say that
Just that she has insanely scaled up skill
tardy vigil
We didnt say that
What do you mean "has insane scaling"?
civic linden
Waltuh gonna be op in poo
idk...her attack speed is very slow and her utility is mostly big damage, there a certanly very easy measures to counter it like: reduced sp regen, extra dp cost, sniper ban or the map is just not good for her
willow nymph
And talent
hot rampart
What do you mean "has insane scaling"?
cuz she does
civic linden
was walter used is cc2?
hot rampart
i dont get it
willow nymph
What do you mean "has insane scaling"?
Her numbers multiply each others to reach super high numbers
hot rampart
^
willow nymph
Higher than what arche stats allow
Same as degen with a guaranteed 180% atk scale and straight up better number than the other 2 6* on her skill
hot rampart
160% dmg scaling from talent
220% damage scaling from s3
not including the attack buff yet
tardy vigil
Her numbers multiply each others to reach super high numbers
So if unit A has 5 modifier multiplying and deals 50k dmg its "omg scaling op"
And if unit B has baseline 50k atk they are just whatever? Unit B literally scales better with any buff
All Walter buffs are inside her kit
hot rampart
So if unit A has 5 modifier multiplying and deals 50k dmg its "omg scaling op"
A...
no?
tardy vigil
"scaling" is taking whatever final damage was presented and increasing it
hot rampart
if unit B has baselike 50k attack more power to em
thats an insane scaling by itself
willow nymph
It's never the case in ak
tardy vigil
thats an insane scaling by itself
It isn't scaling
willow nymph
It is
hot rampart
it is
willow nymph
You just start from higher so atk% goes higher
tardy vigil
You guys use "scaling" as a paraphrase to "big number"
This word has a different meaning
willow nymph
That's why buffing mly atk is so dogshit but buffing his base atk (with stuff like stickers) is so strong
hot rampart
semanthics
willow nymph
Mly atk is low but he gets +400% atk and iirc 220% dmg and 120% from talent
tardy vigil
semanthics
It is a genuine misuse of a word
hot rampart
scaling goes big number
tardy vigil
Scaling isn't big number
hot rampart
scaling make it go big number
i dont mean scaling is big number
Walter has insane scaling
ray has insane scaling
willow nymph
We talk innate scaling aka what make the numbahs go big
tardy vigil
Walter has insane scaling
You can't interact with anything inside it
willow nymph
We dont care about outside synergies
willow nymph
It's irrelevant in walter case
tardy vigil
Big number on screen?
willow nymph
Genuinely
tardy vigil
Then why go in formula?
hot rampart
cuz it is a scaling?
willow nymph
About the fact walter has better damage with the same statline as rosmon
hot rampart
that too
tardy vigil
About the fact walter has better damage with the same statline as rosmon
Why "stateline" matters at all?
hot rampart
it does because +atk% is different than "Attack deal %
ATK as Physical damage"
willow nymph
Because it's the baseline of ops
hot rampart
willow nymph
And trash stats cant be fixed
willow nymph
It's literally why primal casters are so dogshit
hot rampart
attack interval decreases is good but due to how physical def formula works it just falls flat against higher def
willow nymph
They are 100 atk below core casters because they dont have mod and have innately 50 less atk
Nymph propaganda cant convince me
hot rampart
rosmontis simply does not have an insane attack scaling like degen , ray and wisadel does
willow nymph
They are 100 atk below core casters because they dont have mod and have innately...
Meanwhile drone casters while they have low atk
In use thanks to the drone they always outdps core casters
tardy vigil
Typhon has scaling
willow nymph
That's why baseline is so important
hot rampart
this is multiplicative with her talent
which is ofc an 160% attack scaling the same as wisadel
willow nymph
Wait no she got wrong one
hot rampart
skill damage moment
willow nymph
Iirc
hot rampart
this is ray
numbers small until u realize she has attack scaling on 2 talent instead
and already have high base attack
multiplicative 3 times
hot rampart
talent 1 * talent 2 * skill 3
tardy vigil
this is ray
numbers small until u realize she has attack scaling on 2 talent in...
She has different multiplicators everywhere
That is why ray scales with buffs insanely
tardy vigil
Walter with her modificators fixes her piss baseline attack, and can't be buffed further
hot rampart
cuz ray potentially is the highest one
tardy vigil
She already does a lot as is
tardy vigil
And doing a lot without buffers is a good quality
tardy vigil
But it literally isn't scaling
hot rampart
it is
hot rampart
Exu literally still tops
nah no way
willow nymph
nah no way
She reach 11k dps with solo warfa
Stainless warfa is 16k some
And that's hilarious to me that we still havent topped that
willow nymph
Ray wins in every practical scenario due to def
hot rampart
ye
tardy vigil
u comparing top 1 to top 2 attack scaling
I could get more % dps increase out of buffing horn then wisadel. And this unit has one of the worst scales
willow nymph
In terms of dps i mean
willow nymph
I could get more % dps increase out of buffing horn then wisadel. And this unit ...
No you'd get less dps out of it
If you dont count % but actual dps increase
hot rampart
does the +35% physical damage increase relics multiplicative
willow nymph
Even % walter multihit nature means she'll also get full mileage out of the extra atk that passes so she'll pass in every case where it gives more damage due to it
willow nymph
does the +35% physical damage increase relics multiplicative
Yeah it's post damage calc
hot rampart
god damn
willow nymph
+atk relics are also on base stats for a lot
hot rampart
wait +atk relics increase base attack?
tardy vigil
Do you know how hg can make Walter meh in 2 simple steps?
willow nymph
wait +atk relics increase base attack?
Some not all
hot rampart
Do you know how hg can make Walter meh in 2 simple steps?
i can do this with all meta operators right now
willow nymph
Do you know how hg can make Walter meh in 2 simple steps?
Remove talent 2
Talent 1 done
tardy vigil
Give all snipers +100% atk and bloat enemy stats accordingly
willow nymph
Give all snipers +100% atk and bloat enemy stats accordingly
No that doesnt make walter worse it makes her better
tardy vigil
Wow, Walter does less damage then other operators now
willow nymph
Walter is literally top end dph
hot rampart
walter dph is just that high ( thanks insane attack scaling )
willow nymph
6k8+6k2*2 is way above every other sniper paygrade except typhon and ray
hot rampart
all other snipers doing "more damage" than her is a pipe dream
cuz walter has multi attacks with aftershocks
tardy vigil
cuz walter has multi attacks with aftershocks
It doesn't matter
hot rampart
it does
willow nymph
She literally does 6k with that base atk
hot rampart
yeah really crazy
tardy vigil
She literally does 6k with that base atk
Gonna deal 8k with +100% atk
willow nymph
Even considering a +33% increase in dph you're at 8k which is uh higher than what 99% of snipers do
With +100% atk
willow nymph
Chalter is getting benched because 2k5*2 sucks
Oh and btw she has higher +atk
Than walter
Just less insane modifiers
tardy vigil
Even considering a +33% increase in dph you're at 8k which is uh higher than wha...
Dph doesn't matter much if enemy has 800 armor and 60k hp
willow nymph
Dph doesn't matter much if enemy has 800 armor and 60k hp
Cool walter kills
She's literally 60% above other ops in total damage
hot rampart
Dph doesn't matter much if enemy has 800 armor and 60k hp
bro
willow nymph
That's how dumb that op is
hot rampart
what?
willow nymph
Y'all go around "she scales until she doesn't because muh map bad"
We never said she doesnt scale into maps more that maps countered her
tardy vigil
She's literally 60% above other ops in total damage
I would gladly agree if you post some charts to back it up
willow nymph
by having genuine mechanics
willow nymph
I would gladly agree if you post some charts to back it up
Search wis'adel dps on bili
Guy that made logos vid i posted here a few weeks back has a good one iirc
Logos nymph comparison counting buffer
tardy vigil
Search wis'adel dps on bili
I can't, for obvious reasons
willow nymph
It's an actual category 
hot rampart
tardy vigil
Average could be a comparison if map is just constant stream of enemies, idk
hot rampart
by that metric wisadel just clears everything cuz she is aoe
willow nymph
what peon does p1
tardy vigil
So if enemy has 2k def and snipers have +100% atk Typhon does much more dmg
Or ray
Honestly even at 1500 armor
hot rampart
typhon ignore def talent really helps her alot for higher def
willow nymph
So if enemy has 2k def and snipers have +100% atk Typhon does much more dmg
If enemies have 20k def exu highest dps
tardy vigil
typhon ignore def talent really helps her alot for higher def
If allied stats are bloated then likely enemy's are too
willow nymph
Not really
tardy vigil
WAIT ITS 6 AMMO SKILL
willow nymph
If allied stats are bloated then likely enemy's are too
Highest stat in a story chapter is 4k def 100 res 10k hp
tardy vigil
Lmao y'all scamming me
willow nymph
Yes she outdo every fucking one in 6 shots
hot rampart
idk how is this a scam
tardy vigil
Yes she outdo every fucking one in 6 shots
Ok, let's compare average dps over 80 seconds
hot rampart
idk what he going for but if skill duration is what matters then s2 fix this just fine too
tardy vigil
Walter is overwhelmingly winning
Waifu gaming is the true way
willow nymph
idk what he going for but if skill duration is what matters then s2 fix this jus...
Nah it's gonna be vs 1 enemy ... oh wait s2 has higher st dps than s3
By a lot
tardy vigil
idk what he going for but if skill duration is what matters then s2 fix this jus...
S3 has 25 seconds uptime and 50 seconds downtime
hot rampart
You are free to link the whole video
nah its a bot that calculate
willow nymph
Probably rihq math
tardy vigil
nah its a bot that calculate
Where is this bot
willow nymph
Dragongjy does habe misinfo so i wouldnt trust before watching
Trust been lost after querc vid
tardy vigil
I have nothing against you loving Walter
willow nymph
(tl;dr he trafficked numbers and straight up did shit wrong to make quercus look better than she is)
willow nymph
I dont love her i think she's the mostnbusted op in ak
tardy vigil
Walter is as is. Not "with smth"
hot rampart
Just don't call her "scaling"
?
willow nymph
Scaling is "scales with smth"
Good scaling with her talent 1 talent 2 skill 3
She scales within her kit
willow nymph
That's what you dont get
willow nymph
You acknowledge she has a trash base atk
But despite that she's number 1 damage
hot rampart
hot rampart
i mean im like
im being nice i want to explain
attack scaling
to a wall
but the wall wont budge tho ngl
willow nymph
Gotta bring the earthshaker to the discussion
hot rampart
my love for W has nothing to do with this discussion either
willow nymph
Odda 100% gonna solve this
hot rampart
if anything im glad W skills are like
not designed like logos
where all his skills are straight borked
hot rampart
like if i want to hold my powerlevel from clearing everything with wisadel s3
i can like
just use s1
and shes gonna be the best afk sniper or something
but wont solve everything
hot rampart
tardy vigil
attack scaling
Have you ever played other games
hot rampart
not sure
tardy vigil
Have you ever heard people saying "scales with buffs" "scales with investment"
hot rampart
is there any other games other than dota
willow nymph
Other games we say buffability
tardy vigil
Compared to "scales with existing as is*
hot rampart
can i be the wall?
willow nymph
Yes go for it
hot rampart
i dont see the difference of
tardy vigil
And scales with investment is the case with walter?
Investment in AK are teammates and relics
hot rampart
scales with buffs
scales with investment
scales with existing as is
what the hell is this
literally same thing its just scale
willow nymph
Investment in AK are teammates and relics
Also e2 60 modless overkills everything
E2 90 p6 mod3 has 1.8 the damage
I say that's good investment
hot rampart
scaling this scaling that
willow nymph
hot rampart
its just scaling
u are just trying to specified
what kinda scaling it is
and
whats the difference
how does this matter
tardy vigil
literally same thing its just scale
You plot graph of unit DPS with buffs. You take derivative of this graph. Here is numerical value how hard your champ scales
willow nymph
Ok cool except we have straight numbers in ak
hot rampart
okay and how does that will convince me that W does not have insane attack scaling
tardy vigil
Also e2 60 modless overkills everything
E2 90 p6 mod3 has 1.8 the damage
All comparisons are done at s3 M3 mod 3 e2 lvl 90
willow nymph
You can argue atk scales with level but it's a linear function
hot rampart
i think just by baseline alone i can already see
willow nymph
It's the same fucking graph
Every op
And yes people just count for 90 p6 mod3 because it's peak perf you always have
So you put that as calc so people reuse it with their maxed ops
Because that's the vast majority
tardy vigil
You can argue atk scales with level but it's a linear function
That isn't it
willow nymph
And if you're below you just factor to know how much % lower you are compared to maxed
tardy vigil
You don't sacrifice much by putting her to max level. It costs 1/20th of your replenishing stash
tardy vigil
"investment" in dota is giving someone to farm for you
willow nymph
I have other ops to build
tardy vigil
Sacrificing a whole person farm
willow nymph
And idgaf it's a diff game
I'm 100% gonna leave mosti at s3m2 for 5 fucking years
Because that m3 is ass
tardy vigil
Meaningful sacrifice in AK is bring an operator fully dedicated to buffing another
That is a sacrifice
willow nymph
Ok go to #Dota
hot rampart
i guess we are like not discussing the
willow nymph
Wait not there
hot rampart
attack scaling anymore right
willow nymph
Dont give a fuck
I'm just gonna hyperbuff qiubai with 11 team slots and say she's the greatest op in ak
hot rampart
physical damage ew
willow nymph
hot rampart
wait hold on
wont the attack bounces just goes to the turret
if anything thats just more turret shots
hot rampart
idk man more turret shots means more stainlesss sweeep rrraaaaaa
willow nymph
Like 120% extra damage for every bounce because enemy gonna be in necro
willow nymph
No it bounce on random (can be same)
willow nymph
So yes up to 4*(60%arts+60%ed)
hot rampart
still baffled by this
hot rampart
waiting on next CC for CN to see if logos or W would be seen more in high risk
max risk*
willow nymph
So uh yeah that's another funny thing about nymph vs logos w tutu
Map dependent
Most likely using either depen ding on bans
willow nymph
So uh yeah that's another funny thing about nymph vs logos w tutu
Logos can deal straight up higher ed than the full ed dps
tardy vigil
Why I argued all about it
Walter has nuance to her kit aka downsides
she stay EX unit in tiers, but in 5 months people will sorta forget about her and she will receive as much attention as chalter or yato
hot rampart
insane attack scaling
willow nymph
Bye
tardy vigil
she wont break the game (in that half a year future) and no, all new units will not look weak around her
willow nymph
Main pressing issue of walter is she's fuckkng immortal
tardy vigil
Supah is dumb and it is the archetype
tardy vigil
also - for another lulz - cant attack air is a downside
in last poo main enemy was aerial
with like 80k hp or smth
it is rare, but it happens
hot rampart
it is a downside and map specific importance
hot rampart
versed compass
theres a lot of other shit on W kit hitting air is the smallest part of it
people overrate these
wis would still be the most broken without it cause 99% of enemies are on the ground anyway
hot rampart
ouh supah vid is really garbage i dont see any point at all aside from degen normal sp recovery
he shoulda focus on degen my god
"wisadel shouldnt hit air" sure buddy that totally the archetype whole identity in a SNIPER CLASS
if anything flinger is fucking going against their role for not hitting air
tardy vigil
"wisadel shouldnt hit air" sure buddy that totally the archetype whole identity ...
Wisadel can only hit air with summons, right?
ebon sphinx
https://twitter.com/GF_Saihate/status/1814572357970960807?t=qW9x9F-2foiHvD2KuEcwZg&s=19 this is a profile theme they are selling...
Twitter
not the skins
ebon sphinx
https://twitter.com/GF_Saihate/status/1814586371228774841?t=8ZiXAlyGEsGFxmRzPBicGw&s=19 CN Summer Stream in a week
Twitter
versed compass
"wisadel shouldnt hit air" sure buddy that totally the archetype whole identity ...
tbf sniper is (ranged phy dps)
hitting air is not exactly their identity
of course marksman will make most thinks thats what sniper do but really sniper is just a bunch of ranged phy dps that work differently and flinger fit in it
wisadel tho not only hit air but also have high dph unlike the archtype
civic linden
https://www.reddit.com/r/arknights/comments/1e7ellj/re_complaints_about_is5/?ref=share&ref_source=link "is5 requires walter" mfs when 🗿
wanton stratus
Holy shit, that was a lot to backread
Y’all better not do that again, for the sake of all the poor Shadowverse players that might stumble in here
fluid verge
Shadoba players can read? 
hot rampart
Twitter
ebon sphinx
Eyja would get another skin I guess for this stream. Another beach themed one? 
quaint arch
Summer 
hot rampart
Eyja would get another skin I guess for this stream. Another beach themed one? <...
i wanna see how bigger her asset grew
fluid verge
Bigger ears 
vagrant tusk
mossy tinsel
wanton stratus
Ricemas came early this year
civic linden
wonder if the new summer event is going to be in acahualla/siesta/bolivar again
hope it's somewhere thats less explored like minos/rim biliton or somehow higashi
tardy vigil
3 more days to endure
Why endure?
hallow garnet
no
why pull when i can just buy her
later
but i cant buy limiteds
well i can but they cost way more
i gave her 20 pulls
she didnt come
so i'll just borrow her
civic linden
i bless ariel with the off rate blessing, they will get ray while pulling for the upcoming limiteds 
☄️
versed compass
hallow garnet
i bless ariel with the off rate blessing, they will get ray while pulling for th...
as soon as hag leaves for kernel, maybe
otherwise im cursed with getting hags offrate
versed compass
i think it was before wisadel release
so just sacc ray in wisadel
(then dont use her because you pulled wisadel)
wanton stratus
why pull when i can just buy her
I don’t think you’ll want Ray as much in 2 years’ time
Sorry to say
fluid verge
yo that reed skin s3 is so damn good
wanton stratus
Okay, but I can just wait 6 months for sexy Reedic and save my OP
fluid verge
collect them all instead
wanton stratus
I’m not made of money and/or stupid
quaint arch
I don’t think you’ll want Ray as much in 2 years’ time
🐇
Still have to get more income though
versed compass
she have a lot of issue for IS gameplay other then dp
ST 1 block ass is pretty ass
versed compass
funny the archtype have 2 hands in IS3
ebon sphinx
Twitter
quaint arch
https://fxtwitter.com/oyuki_gms/status/1813780983868719594?t=isc9iBL7l4JHSImCh2A...
Btw, anyone can Pin this?
hot rampart
and remove old one
versed compass
just ping tene about it
hot rampart
@strong rampart
versed compass
sound about right
versed compass
this upgrade is way too broken
hot rampart
is that the sniper device?
versed compass
yes
hallow garnet
I don’t think you’ll want Ray as much in 2 years’ time
wdym 2 years
wanton stratus
wdym 2 years
Right, my bad. I forgot that you’re an anni ticket buyer
I was thinking about the cert shop
wanton stratus
How soon until Ray is available in the anniversary selector?
hallow garnet
1 year
wanton stratus
I see
hallow garnet
but issokay I'll manage
i havent bought annitix in a while
then i got it for reedic
and skipped latest one
but ray i really really want
the whole aesthetic and the oomph of her attacks is so pleasing
i just know better to not test my luck any further 😅
wanton stratus
Wait, is there a ticket every half year?
Didn’t Reedic come out around a year ago?
spark oasis
Reed came out a year ago, we were supposed to have her re-run event by now, but Yostar pushed it back.
wanton stratus
So when was the anniversary selector where Reedic first appeared on sale?
versed compass
they gonna push something back to fit limited banner in certain time frames
reed just happen to be that one
hallow garnet
So when was the anniversary selector where Reedic first appeared on sale?
i misremembered. i bought her during arturia
hallow garnet
Wait, is there a ticket every half year?
yes 2 tickets per year. always tied to limited banner patch
so next one should be on walter patch
wanton stratus
I see