#Roy mu

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sick hatch
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Example of a good session request:

Who are you requesting?
A Roy coach.

What is your time zone?
Est

What specifically do you need help with?
I have been struggling with the Roy mu for some time because of his ability to keep in me in disadvantage
When are you typically available?
12:00pm-8pm all this weekend and 5pm on weekdays
How long have you been playing the game for?
Since July
Can I VC?
Yes.

Tags: Neutral, Offense, Can VC

signal mirage
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I got you

sick hatch
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Thanks

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signal mirage
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Will do, but I might forget, I’m aiming for early sunday btw

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signal mirage
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Sounds good

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signal mirage
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Yeah I was actually about to ask you lol

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@sick hatch when do you want to run some games?

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signal mirage
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Hype

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I can host

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H2T80/258

sick hatch
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Yeah my ddd has been struggling with this mu for quite some time

signal mirage
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I know the dedede matchup pretty well with cloud and I'm sure a lot of it carries over to roy so I

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I'm sure I can help

sick hatch
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Oh wow Ggs

signal mirage
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that first game is just to see where you're at skill level wise

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also sorry about my roy, it's so rusty lol

sick hatch
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It’s Alr

signal mirage
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what region are you in?

sick hatch
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NA

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East

signal mirage
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that makes sense

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The delay is a little noticeable but it's fine

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after next game I'll give you advice

sick hatch
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Oh

signal mirage
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so the main thing that I noticed during those 2 games is that there were a lot of moments where you trying to be aggresive in disadvantage which is something you just can't do when you're getting juggled or comboed with dedede

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you have to play much more reserved than most characters because of your big hurtbox and slow frame data

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so you should 99% only be jumping or airdodging when you're getting juggled

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also going to ledge in those situations is usually a really good option

sick hatch
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Oh wow sorry I only fight defensive players, force of habit

signal mirage
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that makes a lot of sense, you can develop a lot of habits depending on who you practice with

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but especially against roy, play defensively

sick hatch
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Oh wow

signal mirage
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that was much better that game

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playing defensively is the number one difference maker between really good dededes and average ones

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if your disadvantage is insanely good, it makes this character way scarier

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You do seem to have a really good grasp on the rest of the character tho

sick hatch
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Thank you

signal mirage
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also specifically with the roy mu, you need to know when you can fight back

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you're getting stuck in shield because everything seems safe and then you either get hit or shield broken

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so I can point out specific situations in this next game where you should be pressing buttons/rolling or spotdodging

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do you have random stages selected?

sick hatch
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Let me see

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No

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Alr

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Holy advantage state

signal mirage
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yeah, I wanted to see how you were structuring it, in case you were making any mistakes on that end but besides a few very specific things, you did everything right

signal mirage
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We can focus specifically on what to do after shielding jab

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because the last thing you should be doing is holding shield after

sick hatch
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Ok

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Roy jab is scary fr

signal mirage
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yeah but honestly as dedede, you don't really need to be scared until like 120

sick hatch
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Ok

signal mirage
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so roy jab, depending on sweetspot or not is -9/12

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meaning you can't directly punish it, however, you can most likely introduce a form of RPS

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you can have a variety of options that you do after that are all threatening and beat different roy options

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signal mirage
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for example, I like to mash after jab because I know that you like to shield after, if you instead did grab out of shield (when I'm right next to you) or full drift nair that would beat any of my mashing options

signal mirage
sick hatch
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Oh ok

signal mirage
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your nair oos is 10 frames

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so you can almost punish me with it, so you can use that if you think that I'm going to press a button after

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if the roy likes to shield after jab, you can do dash grab or even empty hop grab

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it's a lot of adapting based on what your opponent likes to do after a common situation

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like a roy jabbing shield

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this applies to a ton of matchups with things like cloud back air or kazuya electric on shield

sick hatch
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I hate cloud bair but yeah I see what you are saying

signal mirage
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yeah with cloud bair it's the same thing, you want to see what he likes to do after he hits the bair on shield, you could even get "punishes" despite the fact that it's unpunishable

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by calling out his jump after

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just stuff like that

sick hatch
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Yeah

signal mirage
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so the jab thing didn't really come up that game

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however a way simpler thing I noticed is that you tend to commit to ledge options way too hard

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in the past 2 games you did jump getup 23/27 times

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and the other 4 were roll

sick hatch
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Oh

signal mirage
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the 2 games before that, the number was similar but with roll getup being favored

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so you're cycling which option you're hard commiting too

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so I would heavily reccomend trying to be more concious of what you're doing off of ledge and keeping it tricky so I don't get free bairs or f smashes

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K

signal mirage
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a little better that game but still a lot of jump getup

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you handled the jab pressure well that game

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but yeah, again with the jump getup thing

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you also don't have to always commit to something after jump get up

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you have like 6 jumps, you can do any amount of fastfalling and double jumping and juke me out with your timing

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you can either mixup your landing with an aerial or you can just fastfall airdodge

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you have a ton of options off of ledge and you're restricting yourself to jump nair and neutral b

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I would mixup your airdodges more/don't always directional airdodge

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roy is fast enough to just react and punish you for it

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so sometimes do nair or just neutral airdodge

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or jump away

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jump getup and holding shield after jab

sick hatch
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What was that interaction

signal mirage
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another jump getup 🙂

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you can also do drop from ledge and then jump onto stage

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or neutral getup

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or all the other mixups of jump getup

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and I would very much not reccomend doing roll getup when I'm standing at roll distance

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unless you're at high level and then it's a mindgame but you don't need to worry about that

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better job with mixing up your jump getup options

signal mirage
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watch those airdodges

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but again, good mixups on ledge

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I'

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I'll do one more game

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I'll lock in for this one

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still watch those airdodges

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ideally go to ledge if you can

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but ggs tho

sick hatch
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Ggs

signal mirage
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do you have any more questions for me?

sick hatch
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How can I avoid the up airs becuase I keep pressing air dodge and I got hit

signal mirage
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they're true

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they usually combo into each other

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Oh ok

signal mirage
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anything else?

sick hatch
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Well thank you I did a lot better than I thought I would

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Nothing else

signal mirage
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I'll leave you with one thing to work on tho

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In general, mix up what you're doing after gordo throw in neutral

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I think every single time you do jump forward inhale

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which can work and is a strong option but it's not always the right answer

sick hatch
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I mean I rarely got punished for it it’s a mentality thing it’s always he isn’t really punishing me for it

signal mirage
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there were a few times during our session where I could've killed you super early for it but didn't because I was focused on testing other things with your gameplay

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yeah I didn't during coaching but if we ever actually play, you would get blown up for it

signal mirage
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But I get what you're saying

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Well thank u

signal mirage
lofty sphinx
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waht is testimonials

signal mirage
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but unless you need anything else, thanks for the games and I hope you have a good day!

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signal mirage
lofty sphinx
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oh ok

signal mirage
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I mean if you look at the channel you can kinda see what it's about

lofty sphinx
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also

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can you excape luigi 0todeath grab comob

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tell me ho

white epoch
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Why are you here

signal mirage
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yo, chill out

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idk

lofty sphinx
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i keep on dying to it in solo

signal mirage
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you can SDi to make it a lot harder for the luigi to hit the full thing but they can always adjust in theory to still kill you

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but the best you can do is hard SDI in

lofty sphinx
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bruh

signal mirage
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and sometimes mix up by hard SDI out

lofty sphinx
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wthelly is a SDI

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dont mind me

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im new

signal mirage
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and get out of this thread

lofty sphinx
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but i have like 350hrs

signal mirage
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take it to coaching

lofty sphinx
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isnt this where everyone talk

signal mirage
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no, this is for the specific coaching request that someone made

lofty sphinx
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oh ok

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thanks

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bye bro

signal mirage
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cya

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signal mirage
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It depends what you want him for but cloud is a super low maintenance character to secondary so it would be hard to not recommend him

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signal mirage
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That’s a long discussion we could have and I’m low-key too tired to get into it

sick hatch
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Ok then

signal mirage
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Just look up a cloud guide on YouTube