Overcoming a plateau | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate | Page 1

meager crypt Nov 27, 2025, 3:56 PM

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Requesting: @wind mango
Anyone that can play snake or fox

Timezone: EST

Everytime I pick up a new character I do pretty good for awhile and then when I feel like i'm making zero progress i stop playing that character (not the best strategy i know but its mostly subconcious). I've gotten to the point where i am more serious about the ssbu competitive scene and want to actually put in the work to get better. I need the most help with breaking habits and learning my characters better. Offense and defense are included.

I'm usually available in the afternoons and evenings during the week. Weekends it depends but I can plan around a session.

I first played way back in brawl and have been playing on and off pure casual since about 2 years ago when I was introduced to a more competitive scene. Only really starting taking this more seriously a year or so ago.

I can VC

Any help would be MUCH appreciated I only have so many characters I can drop. 🙏

full field Nov 27, 2025, 4:50 PM

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meager crypt Requesting: <@678025512479752192> Anyone that can play snake or fox Timezone: ...

You play snake/fox?

meager crypt Nov 27, 2025, 5:22 PM

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full field You play snake/fox?

yeah fox is my main rn

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and ive been playing snake alot recently

full field Nov 27, 2025, 5:35 PM

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Iko can play both but pick one bc like at top level I don’t see the two best ppl co maining

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Ok so the best snakes do have secondary’s but the best fox does not

meager crypt Nov 27, 2025, 6:10 PM

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Probably just fox but i still wanna learn some snake

full field Nov 27, 2025, 6:33 PM

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I would like to help u on fox then

meager crypt Nov 27, 2025, 6:46 PM

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full field I would like to help u on fox then

that would be awesome

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fair warning my wifi is bad depending on wherever i am, sometimes im able to be in a good area but ill let you know before hand

full field Nov 27, 2025, 6:50 PM

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That’s Alr

meager crypt Nov 27, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Nice, let me know when you're normally available or when you wanna do it

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today doesnt work that great but im usually free

full field Nov 27, 2025, 6:51 PM

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I’m available rn and for most of the day

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Alr

meager crypt Nov 27, 2025, 6:55 PM

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full field I’m available rn and for most of the day

how does tmmrw at 5 sound?

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or around then

wind mango Nov 27, 2025, 7:00 PM

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full field Iko can play both but pick one bc like at top level I don’t see the two best ppl...

Are we just lying about my fox now 💔

full field Nov 27, 2025, 7:15 PM

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meager crypt how does tmmrw at 5 sound?

Alr

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 9:33 PM

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@full field ready whenever

full field Nov 28, 2025, 9:37 PM

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Lowk doing sum rn

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 9:46 PM

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full field Lowk doing sum rn

okay, just lmk when you're free

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as long as its before 7 i should be fine

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Alr I’m getting on

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@meager crypt

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 10:31 PM

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okay

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lemme get on rq

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You want to make an arena? I tested my internet and I should be good

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I can move if not tho

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@full field

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:36 PM

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meager crypt <@1010368495906738299>

Yeah

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30SJP/17

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 10:40 PM

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I’m gonna move

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2 seconds

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:40 PM

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I’m not good

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At mega man

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 10:41 PM

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Well you get another shot lol

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Wanna vc?

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:41 PM

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Nah

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My brother is in the room

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 10:45 PM

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That’s fine

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:50 PM

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From what I see it’s 2-3 main things

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The first is you aren’t really playing at your speed, you’re playing at my speed

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What I mean by this is you don’t make me do anything

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It’s hard to explain but I didn’t feel pressured to make a move and when I didn’t nothing rly happened

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The first game I was on Rosa and I ran at you with nair and you ran away for the most part

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Then on Samus you didn’t need to run but you didn’t chase me down and I kinda got charge for free

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As fox you need to be rly close to get value

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He is a rush down so you gotta rush me down and get me

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 10:53 PM

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Hmm okay

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:54 PM

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Next I didn’t see much combos like yeah down tilt fair but like other than that I didn’t see much

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 10:54 PM

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I don’t know why but I’m so bad at using up tilt

full field Nov 28, 2025, 10:55 PM

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https://youtu.be/cLbQpJiufLs?si=bRZu-4bOV5QCWqfe

YouTube

Skarfelt

Fox Combo Tutorial: Bread and Butters in Smash Ultimate

2020 UPDATE (PLEASE READ)
Hey guys, so this stuff was labbed out in December/January when the game came out. Originally, I planned to make a lot more content and better refine this video - this is actually version 2 which fixed previous errors, and I planned to do the same. However, a lack of interest in the game as well as being in my final yea...

▶ Play video

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Here is a combo guide

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Do look at the video he links cuz that is also rly important

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For down tilt combos anyway

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I think that’s it

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I might’ve forgotten 3

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Tbh

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I’ll remember eventually tho

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Oh my lag

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Yeah

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:00 PM

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I’m sitting right next to the router I apologize

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:00 PM

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It’s probably not you Ngl

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Use back air more

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Also you always jump on ledge

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I did jump nair so much and it caught you a lot

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You do skip ledge a lot

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That’s not bad but don’t do it too often

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:02 PM

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I’m gonna make a bit of what I’m missing

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:02 PM

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What?

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:03 PM

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I make notes of stuff I need to do

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It just helps me

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Like a list

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:03 PM

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Oh ok

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:07 PM

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I do need to do combos more

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I have noticed my large amount of fairs too

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:08 PM

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meager crypt I do need to do combos more

Like you said

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I’m gonna switch to tilt stick rq

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See how that works

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Some advice we both need to take is to not edge guard

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:11 PM

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meager crypt I’m gonna switch to tilt stick rq

Me too bruh

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Yeah I’ve sd way too many times trying to edge guard

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:12 PM

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meager crypt Yeah I’ve sd way too many times trying to edge guard

Plus the only meaningful move is bair and we can only do it once

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:12 PM

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True

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:15 PM

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Meant to be another up air but that works

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Why do you use dair so much

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Also where do you want to be?

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Skill wise

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:16 PM

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So I don’t use nair too much I guess?

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Uhhh

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Yk Dell?

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The kaz coach

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:17 PM

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Yeah

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:17 PM

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That’s my hb I’m trying to get closer to him

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:17 PM

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meager crypt So I don’t use nair too much I guess?

That’s a good amt to use it but I think it can be more precise tbh

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But I digress since lag

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And online but that’s a non factor for me

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:18 PM

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I know for a fact I do better offline

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:19 PM

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meager crypt That’s my hb I’m trying to get closer to him

Yk that’s a good goal but kinda vague

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:19 PM

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Idk how else to say it

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I guess online

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Like*

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:19 PM

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I assume you want to beat him or go even consistently

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:19 PM

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Yea

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:19 PM

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Yeah that’s good

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Having a rival is great, it pushes improvement a great bit

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:20 PM

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For sure

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I haven’t faced him too much recently but yeah I get it

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I’m gonna blame at least one of those deaths on the lag lol

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:25 PM

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So after like every match from now on I want you to think of sum you did wrong after the match and I’ll tell you the rest

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:25 PM

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meager crypt I’m gonna blame at least one of those deaths on the lag lol

I’ll blame all bro 😭

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Ngl bro

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I think we should call it

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:29 PM

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💔💔💔

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Yeah I think that’s a good idea

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:29 PM

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The game actually stopped

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:29 PM

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I got some good advice

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:29 PM

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Alr

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:29 PM

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But like

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Online connection is a whole other beast

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Maybe tomorrow I’m unsure

full field Nov 28, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Maybe but idk if the connect would be stable

meager crypt Nov 28, 2025, 11:30 PM

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Probably not 💔

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I think I’m practicing with iko Monday so that’ll be nice

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 7:39 PM

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@meager crypt when can you do the session

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:30 PM

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wind mango <@460065312625393664> when can you do the session

I was just about to message you I don’t know if I can do it tonight

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Either right now or not till tomorrow

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@wind mango

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It’s a shot in the dark but if you’re free I can for a little less than an hour

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:32 PM

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meager crypt It’s a shot in the dark but if you’re free I can for a little less than an hour

Sure

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Oh damn it I don’t have my switch on me

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Bruh I thought I had it

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Bruh

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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Sorry but can you do after 5 tomorrow?

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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💔

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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meager crypt Sorry but can you do after 5 tomorrow?

What timezone

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:33 PM

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EST

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Probably not

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Unless my plans get cancelled

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Damnnn

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Wednesday doesn’t really work

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Thursday? Same time?

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Friday is open for me

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:35 PM

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I won't lie to you Wednesday would be the only day I could LOOOL

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:35 PM

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Would you rather noon ish or after 4?

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Both would work if it's Wednesday

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Alr bet

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I should definitely be free at those times

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Okok

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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Nice see you then

wind mango Dec 1, 2025, 9:36 PM

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🫡

chilly arrow Dec 1, 2025, 9:39 PM

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meager crypt Oh damn it I don’t have my switch on me

Cmon man😭

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 9:40 PM

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chilly arrow Cmon man😭

Bro

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The ONE day I don’t have it with me

full field Dec 1, 2025, 10:11 PM

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meager crypt It’s a shot in the dark but if you’re free I can for a little less than an hour

“But I’ll make it”

meager crypt Dec 1, 2025, 10:26 PM

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full field “But I’ll make it”

Cause I thought I had it with me

full field Dec 1, 2025, 10:53 PM

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meager crypt Cause I thought I had it with me

It’s a song

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Rather be by clean bandit

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 6:23 PM

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I’ll be on after my final, I’ll ping you iKO

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 8:56 PM

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@wind mango alr im ready

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:00 PM

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meager crypt <@678025512479752192> alr im ready

Okk

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Are you looking for specific coaching on snake or just general stuff

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I can also do fox but I know less about him

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:04 PM

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wind mango Are you looking for specific coaching on snake or just general stuff

General stuff

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I kinda just do whatever

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And hope it works

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:04 PM

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Okok

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KG5WT/50

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Alr joining

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Sorry for the delay

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:11 PM

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Np

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:11 PM

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You want to vc?

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:12 PM

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I can't vc atm

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:13 PM

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That’s fine

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:13 PM

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So yeah uhh I'll go random a bit then go snake to show you things if needed

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:13 PM

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Alr sounds good

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:13 PM

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The ditto is bad for coaching honestly lol😭

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:15 PM

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Hold on

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Give me the benefit of the doubt

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I am NOT that bad

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:15 PM

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😭

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:15 PM

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That was horrible

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Okay so

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Yeah

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I think I’m getting flustered I

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Or something

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The best people I face aren’t usually top ranked in my country

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:19 PM

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So first thing you'd have to learn to play snake would be how to use your grenades in neutral

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:19 PM

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Grenades are probably th biggest thing I need to learn yeah

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:19 PM

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It's the main part about how snake plays

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For that I'd recommend watching youtube videos or simply playing the character more and figuring out, I can also show you some things later in the sessions

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For the youtube channel I'd recommend the most for snake it would be PoppinSwiss, I learned a lot at the beginning watching his guides

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Alright I’ll check it out

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I’m gonna try fox for a match

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Sure

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:22 PM

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Just to get in a better mindset hopefully

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Alr I’ll try to switch back

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:34 PM

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Alright

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As snake you almost always want to recover high, since your low recovery is easily punishable

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:41 PM

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That makes sense

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I’ll keep it in mind

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Ok I'll start going snake after this

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:43 PM

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Alr

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Wow

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:52 PM

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Rip

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Brb

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Yeah I’m getting my ass kicked but I get why the snake ditto is weird

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:54 PM

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Yeah there's a lot going on lol

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:56 PM

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I think I also need to improve my general movement

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:57 PM

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With snake it's important yeah

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Otherwise he's slow

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I'll go back to random

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 9:59 PM

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Alright 😭😭😭

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 9:59 PM

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As snake your general gameplan will be throwing grenades and playing around them with your normals

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To get the maximum reward you can

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There's lots of setups to do so

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:04 PM

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I gotta stop back airing off ledge like that

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:04 PM

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Yeah

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It forces you to go low

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Going high is better, though like very very high

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:05 PM

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I fought a snake awhile ago and he went high almost every time

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:05 PM

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Then it's just about landing safely

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:05 PM

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meager crypt I fought a snake awhile ago and he went high almost every time

Yeah

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Because if we go low every character in the game can edgeguard that

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:05 PM

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You can usually cover that with c4 and nades tho so I think I understand

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I just gotta execute

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:05 PM

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Yee

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:08 PM

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I got a friend who loves to absorb my bombs as Lucas

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Still haven’t been able to switch mindsets all too well for psi magnet

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:08 PM

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Yeah it's hard matchups for snake

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:08 PM

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Just something I gotta learn

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What’s snakes worst matchup? Or some of his worse

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:08 PM

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Megaman gnw ness lucas

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Minmin and gunner are also pretty bad in my opinion

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:09 PM

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I hate min min

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I should get a g&w pocket pick fr

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:09 PM

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Snake cannot play vs minmin but as soon as minmin is offstage it's a free edgeguard with nikkita

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So it makes up for it

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:10 PM

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You just gotta get her there first

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:12 PM

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I'll do 2 more

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:13 PM

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Okay

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Ggs

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Ggs

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Thanks for the help

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Np

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:18 PM

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I’ll try to I guess use the tips

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Is this an ongoing thing or more one times

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?

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:18 PM

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Uhh well if you want to do other sessions just hmu

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:19 PM

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Alr bet

wind mango Dec 3, 2025, 10:19 PM

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People usually do one times but you're free to ask more than once

meager crypt Dec 3, 2025, 10:19 PM

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I’ll delete this thread and make another later, I think I need to work on my movement and stuff more base level skills instead of improving my secondary

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