#Ness/Lucas coach

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keen vine
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Who are you requesting?
A Ness/Lucas coach.

What is your time zone?
mountain time

What specifically do you need help with?
I'm looking to improve my neutral game punishes and overall familiarity with the characters

When are you typically available?
Usually afterschool, which is about 5PM-8PM MT. Or weekend afternoon

How long have you been playing the game for?
I have about
Can I VC? 2k hours in this game
depends on the day.
@hasty forum

urban current
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yooooo

keen vine
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get out of here twin

urban current
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@hasty forum please coach this guy good, he's the goat fr

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my bad twin

keen vine
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this ain't your place twin

urban current
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it literally is

keen vine
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read the first 2 lines twin

muted plaza
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🎶Y you gotta be so ruuude🎶

urban current
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exactlyy

urban current
hasty forum
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Do gotta ask if there's a reason why you don't want him interjecting

urban current
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No we know each other irl

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He’s just messing around

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But yeah I’ll let you take it from her

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Here

keen vine
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sure bud

urban current
hasty forum
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Where's my Ninten students

keen vine
urban current
hasty forum
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Idk what my availability is gonna look like this week I'm all over the place

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Can try Monday night

keen vine
hasty forum
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Try and shoot for 5mt

keen vine
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ok

plain jacinth
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I can try Im not a coach but I got best ness

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Pls dm me

keen vine
hasty forum
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Maybe

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I would take psi's offer tbh

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I'll try to be home within an hour if not

urban current
keen vine
urban current
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vro

keen vine
keen vine
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@hasty forum are you good for any time this week

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I didn't know there was such need for ness/lucas coaches

hasty forum
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Yeah I got so much going on irl rn and ofc it's when everyone wants to learn these chars

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@keen vine I can do rn, do you want Lucas or Ness

keen vine
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rn is good

keen vine
hasty forum
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It's whichever one you wanna learn

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Alr

keen vine
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should I host

hasty forum
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I can

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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KRM9V
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Yeah you don't wanna try and land on me with nair like that

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Lucas really struggles to threaten from above like that

keen vine
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I didn't know ftilt anti aired like that

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I need to get up angle down

hasty forum
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You likely will just got stuffed out

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Yeah you can angle it up

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A big thing I'm noticing is you don't try to fight me for stage control, you kinda just let me move and hold center and then I get to control the pace at that point

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You don't wanna be corned as Lucas

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Moving backwards is a big tool he relies on

keen vine
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ok

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with this coaching thing should I really lock in like play music and turn off my youtube in the background.

hasty forum
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I don't listen to anything when I'm playing in bracket

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It's preference tbh

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But I put all my focus on the game

keen vine
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but should I treat this like i'm in bracket would it make the coaching better

hasty forum
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I mean

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Whatever you want to get out of is up to you

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If you think treating it seriously will help then do what'll work for you

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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I would stop the nair to uptilt flowchart

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You do it everytime

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It's super not safe on block

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You're paying close attention to the spacing your djcz and it's why you're not really getting anything off of them

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If I'm too far out you need to microdash between or go for dash grab

keen vine
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ok

tulip pagodaBOT
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@keen vine has earned the Guardian role!

keen vine
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fd sometimes fucks with my mind when I'm trying to focus on the characters do you know anything to get around that or is it just something I have to deal with

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last game just reminded me of that

hasty forum
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If it's bracket you can request the uhhh, what stage is it? Wuhu Resort or something like that

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You can request the omega version of that stage

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They should allow, most brackets do

keen vine
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just omega wuhu resort?

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seems oddly specific

hasty forum
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Yeah whatever the wii sports stage is

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Not all the omega stages are legal

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That's why

keen vine
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I thought all the non 2d ones were the same

hasty forum
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And that way has no visual impairments

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Watch your spacing on your pk fire, don't wanna do it point blank

keen vine
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that one I just wasn't locked in

hasty forum
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And also watch me before you decide to pk fire

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If I'm not doing anything

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I am waiting for the pk fire

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And I will shield it on reaction

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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Oh yeah there's this like weird you have I've noticed

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Where like I have you ledge, you successfully get past me

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And then you air dodge towards me and I'm okay thanks I guess

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I'm not sure why you do that

keen vine
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i'm used to playing against bad players

hasty forum
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Your goal at ledge is to get back neutral, ideally get past me and take stage control

keen vine
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playing only elite and tabletop with my friends for the past few months has brought out alot of bad habits

hasty forum
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This is low upload speed

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One second

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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Yeah my connection seems to be dipping dunno if it's gonna recover

keen vine
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did I regrab?

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that felt odd

hasty forum
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No but you tethered really quickly

keen vine
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I thought I buffered a roll

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getup

hasty forum
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Your iframes at ledge is based on how long you're offstage

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And your percentage

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So high percent + immediate tether

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That's why when I see you tether quickly I start trying to ftilt your ledgehang

keen vine
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I didn't think it did

hasty forum
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No

keen vine
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i thought I woudl be ok bc i buffereed something

hasty forum
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Nah you tethered way too fast

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The only reason I ever instantly pull in

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Is if I think they're gonna try and hit me offstage

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Otherwise just stall

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I think the biggest thing is you're struggling to poke at me

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And open me up

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I think you're trying a little too hard and it's playing into my favor too much

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Gotta use falling fair more instead of nair

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It's pretty much impossible for me to contest fair

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And just be more patient

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I am very hard to hit but don't play into my game

keen vine
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I didn't think it came out

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pk fire so weird to deal with

hasty forum
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Eh

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Kinda Ig?

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It's super to just react to and shield

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Problem is, you're jumping around all the time and it's specifically designed to deal with that

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But if you just wait for it you will shield it on reaction

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I keep trying to parry it and I'm misjudging my distance to you

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My timing is off

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Most the time

keen vine
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I noticed

hasty forum
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There are some instances where you do catch me trying to press something but mostly I do react to them

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So it's possible

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I'ma switch to Ness, you can stay Lucas

keen vine
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ok

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alot of things I want to do aren't happeneing

hasty forum
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Happens

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Oh I forgot

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144 is uthrow kill percent on stages that don't have a higher ceiling

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In the Lucas ditto

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Ness weighs the same so same percent

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Noticed you throwing too early often

keen vine
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I need to learn the frame data and that stuff

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I don't know whats fast or what's safe

hasty forum
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General rule of thumb

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Moves that have range, and control space your opponent wants to occupy

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Fast moves are just fast and you can tell by observing them

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So for Lucas tho

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Zair

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Fair

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Ftilt

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Those are your main neutral tools

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Nair is complimentary, uair a mixup / whiff punish

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Etc

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This one has to be my last

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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Final thoughts

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Djcz from ledge is overrated

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Your timing is better than most Lucas mains I fought though

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They tend to have a super predictable timing for when they do it but you mixed it a little better

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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For when you decide to djcz from ledge

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Timing is super important

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Because if idk what you're gonna do

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But ik when

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Then I just do options that'll cover everything

keen vine
hasty forum
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I think just be more patient when you're ledgetrapping

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If you noticed, a lot of my ledgetrapping is I'll do all option

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And then I just wait and see how you react

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You don't have to be so aggressive when you have the other person cornered

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Let them make some mistakes and punish that

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You can apply pressure but just be aware of what you're doing

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In general, watch me more and watch what part of the stages I can threaten my options from

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Like you got hit by a few plat fires because you would always position yourself around them

keen vine
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ok

hasty forum
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If you have any questions feel free

keen vine
hasty forum
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Ness plays midrange like Lucas but the way he implements it is a little different

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Lucas is playing super grounded, using your shff to drift in and out of ranges and boxing with your disjoints

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Ness is more baity, he wants to force the opponent into overextensions by using fair and then drifting out

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Or fair to catch people jumping

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Plat fire to control center stage

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But overall Ness wants to bait and punish and then force the other person into a pressure state

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Because that's where he snowballs hard

keen vine
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ok

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about execution and combos are there any guides that have the best combos and guides that aren't just nair -> fair for both characters

hasty forum
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They're likely out there