#looking for lucas coach

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fringe moth
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Who are you requesting?
a Lucas coach

What is your time zone?
EST

What specifically do you need help with?
Everything about the game. Fundamentals and really want to get better at doing djcz. Get better at approaching to hit the opponent.

When are you typically available?
Almost all day, all week. Around 3pm to 12pm

How long have you been playing the game for?
3 days

Can I VC?**
Yes

quick mica
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You've only been playing for 3 days but you're already worrying about djcz? Do you have strong fighting game fundamentals from earlier entries or other series? Are you comfortable with all the basic mechanics of ult and have good control over your movement in general?

fringe moth
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Ummm no but I play a lot of games and I always try to learn stuff early on I used to play brawlhalla but smash is too different

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I still need help just overall

fringe moth
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But would also like help with Lucas also

zinc patio
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Yeah I'm ngl I would not teach you djcz at your level

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I would sooner drill shff into your head because that'll have way more utility to you at lower levels

fringe moth
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thats fine

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as long as anything else would help

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its not a deal breaker

fringe moth
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what times would we usually do sessions

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?

zinc patio
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Idk I'm super busy but sometime tmrw maybe

fringe moth
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ok no worries

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ill be on tomorrow

fringe moth
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ready whenever

zinc patio
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@fringe moth you gotta use pings

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I prefer scheduling

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I got about an hour tho

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What do you want to learn

fringe moth
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oh ok

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umm more combos i guess its just every combo guide i see is like a lot of advanced stuff and just seems like they always use djcz but also want to learn how to fight it just seems like i get hit a lot and its hard for me to hit others

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@zinc patio

zinc patio
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Idk what combo guides you're looking at

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He has plenty of basic stuff

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Most of them involve forward air, neutral air, and up air

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Your combo starters require you to be falling when you using the move

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As for hitting people, it's something you learn with time

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And practice

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And getting comforable moving around the stage

fringe moth
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its hard to hit people when i try to go for up air bc i have to be in the air and going towards them that i just end up getting hit instead

zinc patio
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Well up air is a good combo starter

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But it's not a good poking tool

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When you're playing the game, you don't wanna be thinking 'I want to this combo so I'm just gonna try to use this opener'

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You need to be thinking 'I want to put my opponent in a vulnerable position'

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'That was make it easier to open them up and get my combos'

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In neutral, when we attack our opponent, we want fast moves that have range

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Uair has the speed

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But not that range

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You have to position yourself so close to your opponent, and so yeah, that means they have plenty of time to hit you for it

fringe moth
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so what could i set up to get into the up air when im on the ground or in general

zinc patio
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You want to poke at them with moves that have more range

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And you want to push them towards the corner

fringe moth
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to the edge of the map?

zinc patio
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The stage

fringe moth
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yeah

zinc patio
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This is the final frame of uair, you basically have to be on top of them to hit it

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Compare it to fair

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That red circle

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Has no space where Lucas can get hit , his toes have no hurtboxes

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You control that space

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That's much more range then uair

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So you wanna be poking at them with fair more

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And I say poking because that's what you're doing

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You trying to annoy them

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And make them more defensive

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That allows you to get closer to them and start applying pressure

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Make them expect forward air

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Then take them by suprise with an entirely different option

fringe moth
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makes sense would i fair with a short hop most of the time ?

zinc patio
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Yes, you almost always want to short hop as Lucas and you usually want to use fair and you're fast falling

fringe moth
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so short hop fair and fast fall with it?

zinc patio
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Yes, you short hop

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As soon as Lucas reaches the top of the jump

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You fast fall and forward air

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I do it by pressing down on the right stick and forward on the left stick

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Much easier to seperate the inputs

fringe moth
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fast falling is to get to the ground before them when you poke them?

zinc patio
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It decreases the time it takes for you to reach the ground

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In Smash when you land with an aerial, the aerial's animation gets canceled for a landing animation

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And this animation is almost always shorter than the aerial's animation

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What that means, is landing as quickly as possible allows you to act quicker out of the aerial

fringe moth
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okay got it. what could i follow up with fair

zinc patio
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Depends on strong or weak hit

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They both combo, but combo differently

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Strong, another fair but do this one as you rise

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Very simple combos to do

fringe moth
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could i also fair, into up neutral then up air

zinc patio
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Combo routes can change with percent too but for low percents those are good simple bread and butter conversions

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Nair to uair is di dependant so not consistently

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Fair to nair can work but that is pretty hard to hit

zinc patio
zinc patio
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A lot of factors can go into a combo but don't even worry about that

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Practice the easy stuff

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Then as you get more comfortable, add to them or find more routes

fringe moth
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okay i will practice that

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how can i get hit less? or recover from a hit faster sometimes i just dont know when i can get out of a combo and just keep getting hit

zinc patio
zinc patio
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And tbh Lucas doesn't have much to get out of combos

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Your options are

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Try to double jump away

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Try to neutral air dodge

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He can't really force landings

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He's not good at it

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And he has no combo breakers

fringe moth
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hmm ok

zinc patio
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Always try to get to ledge as Lucas

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You almost never want to try land on top of the other person

fringe moth
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in ledge? or off stage

zinc patio
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Onto ledge

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So that you're holding it

fringe moth
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use the snake alot?

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try to be at a distance instead

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isntead of coming straight up

zinc patio
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Yes, your tether is your best option for grabbing ledge

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You know how to turn yourself around in the air?

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Your direction air dodge is also one of the best in terms of distance so that's an option too

fringe moth
zinc patio
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Okay this will take some explaining

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Actually let me set up my input map for obs, give me like 5 mins

fringe moth
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sounds good

zinc patio
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Improvised with my ingame map which isn't as nice as an actual controller but it should get the job done

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But we have something called turnaround specials, it's when you use a special move to change the direction your character is facing

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I slowed the game down to make it easier to see the inputs

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But if I down b and roll my stick quickly enough in the direction I want Lucas to face, he will turn to face that direction

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It has to be really quick

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You can do this in the air

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Which means you can always make Lucas face the ledge so he can tether to it

fringe moth
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ok yeah i did it

zinc patio
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It's pretty easy

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But a very good skill to have

fringe moth
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yeah

zinc patio
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You can do this with every special except for your up b

fringe moth
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that solves a lot of my problems

zinc patio
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Like you probably already do it with pk fire it's just not something you think about

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And turnaround pk freeze has some uses but it's not anything crazy important

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Magnet is though

fringe moth
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howcome i see people do two pk thunders in the air? did they patch that

zinc patio
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If you bounce off of something you can do a second pk thunder if you input within half a second of bouncing

fringe moth
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oh ok i see

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i just did it

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when you bounce does it also like give you another second jump ?

zinc patio
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No

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You go into free fall

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There would be no chance to use it anyways

fringe moth
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yeah just asking

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i also still play on my joy cons

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would that make the djcz timing harder

zinc patio
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I wouldn't know never tried it on them

fringe moth
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oh ok

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well thank u for everything when could we schedule for next time

zinc patio
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Take like a week to practice

fringe moth
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okay so next sunday works?

zinc patio
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Maybe

fringe moth
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ok well ill practice a lot thank u for ur teachings

fringe moth
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Almost got it down don’t mind the set up lol

fringe moth
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hey @zinc patio when i try to djcz with my game cube i mess it up more than the joycons whenever i double jump grab is there a reason for this >

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?

zinc patio
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Not used to the controller

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Pace yourself on gcc

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It is a very straining controller for that type of input

fringe moth
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Okay

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I also only play Lucas how often should I use other characters

fringe moth
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No? What

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Just stick to one character

sterile quarry
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Si

fringe moth
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Mmm for how long ?

sterile quarry
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Until you’re good

fringe moth
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Ok

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Thank u sensei

sterile quarry
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Deity is your sensei

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And he would say that too

fringe moth
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Ok

fringe moth
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@zinc patio when could we schedule for something

zinc patio
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What would you like to go over

fringe moth
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umm maybe 1v1 and you could tell me what i need to work on and my bad habits

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and need help with my movement

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and when would be a good time to learn djcz

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@zinc patio

zinc patio
fringe moth
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ok

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im ready

zinc patio
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2X12F
500

fringe moth
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I’m in

zinc patio
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You should almost never approach with nair

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Too much rising aerials

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Too much grounded fire

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And too much trying to just swing at me without much thought to what's being pressed by you

fringe moth
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Hmm okay

zinc patio
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Why did you pk thunder

fringe moth
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Missclick

zinc patio
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For wht

fringe moth
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Free

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Freeze

zinc patio
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Yeah you need a lot of work

fringe moth
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😭

zinc patio
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You're choosing a lot of really poor options and it's think it's a mix of 1. you don't know what to do and 2. you don't why you're doing it

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Like for example

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You were on ledge, I'm close to it

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You jump up and over me

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That's great, you got past me

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But insteaad of safely landing away from me, you decided to try and drift towards me with dair

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Which is

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A horrible idea

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And it got you punished

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When you're in a situation like being stuck on ledge, your goal should be getting out of the bad situation

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Trying to hit me from an unfavorable situation is gonna end badly 9 times out of 10

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The game isn't just about hitting the other person

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It's about creating favorable situations

fringe moth
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Yeah I do that a lot

zinc patio
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And that's why just throwing yourself at me is going so badly

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There is no consideration beyond wanting to hit me

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Neutral is nuanced

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It'll make more sense as you play, but when you do something, it needs to have meaning that goes behind wanting to hit the other person

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When I filt, it's because you're at midrange and I'm preemptively covering the space in front of me

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If you try to approach, you get hit, if you don't, ftilt is fast enough that it's hard to punish for it

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And if you're paying attention it's me telling you I am controlling the space in front of me

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That's just an example of what I'm getting at

fringe moth
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Yeah makes sense

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Should I keep at it with Lucas or what

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Sometimes I get demotivated

zinc patio
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Play who you like

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If you like Lucas play Lucas

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It's that simple

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No more thought needs to go into it

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You can get good with any character

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So thinking you're bad with a particular one is a fallacy

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What you're experiencing are fundamental problems

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They will follow you from character to character to character

fringe moth
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Hmmm so I need to get my fundamentals up

zinc patio
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Yes

fringe moth
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I like ness and Lucas so it’s hard for me to choose

zinc patio
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Get comfortable with shff

fringe moth
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But I don’t switch on and off

zinc patio
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That's the big thing with Lucas

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You need to be able to short hop fast fall

fringe moth
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What’s the main reason for that

zinc patio
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It's not hard but you gotta take the time to ingrain it into muscle memory

fringe moth
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I do it a lot in training

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Sometimes I sh too much

zinc patio
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If you short hop fast fall, Lucas' air time is extremely short

fringe moth
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It’s just a experience thing

zinc patio
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On par with actual fast fallers

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Empty shff creates a ton of ambiguity

fringe moth
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Does bees need too or Lucas needs it more

zinc patio
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Because all your stuff comes off of falling aerials

fringe moth
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Ness

zinc patio
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When someone sees you shff, it makes them start anticipating something from

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I was doing it to you

fringe moth
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Yeah

zinc patio
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Idk if you were paying attention to me tho

fringe moth
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I tried to do it sometimes

zinc patio
fringe moth
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Well I do it to others to get a reaction

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But you’re way better so

zinc patio
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You're too aggressive

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Too impatient to try and open me up

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So you end throwing really unsafe to me and it all does is create openings for me against you

fringe moth
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Yeah I notice my impatience a lot

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I alwyasss want to hit it’s a bad habit

zinc patio
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That's just not how neutral works

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Neutral, you gotta create opportunities

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By limiting what the other person can do

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Back them into a corner, poke at them until they clam up and start playing defensive, bait them into an overextension

fringe moth
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I’ll try

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Anything else ?

zinc patio
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Where you do look at on the screen when you're playing

fringe moth
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At the other player

zinc patio
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Always?

fringe moth
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I mean I can do both at the same time

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It’s not like an issue where I look at myself

zinc patio
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You should always be looking at the other character

fringe moth
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Yeah

zinc patio
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Watch other Lucas players play

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Don't play them, watch videos of them

fringe moth
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I watch blucas and regalo

zinc patio
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Idk if you'll get much from playing me atp, you're kinda getting walked all over and it's to a degree so I don't really see you picking up much from fighting me

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Blucas is

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I wouldn't tbh

fringe moth
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Yeah

zinc patio
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Too much pointless movement

fringe moth
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Oh

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Ok

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Who do you think

zinc patio
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Regalo's good

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Nitox's good

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Mekos is good

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Muffins From Mars is good

fringe moth
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Mmmm

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Is it fine for me to also try ness or it wouldn’t be good for me to switch on and off ?

zinc patio
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FatherPlum

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I would stick to a character

fringe moth
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For how long typically

zinc patio
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I can play Ness and switch between both because I've been playing Lucas forever

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As long as it takes

fringe moth
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Damn ok

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Which one is harder to get down would you say

zinc patio
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Lucas

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Lucas isn't that hard

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But Ness is really easy

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Problem with Lucas players

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Is they just wanna do technical stuff

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When they can't even control the character yet

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It's why I'm saying don't watch Blucas

fringe moth
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Ok

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If I want to switch over to ness who should I watch

zinc patio
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Gackt

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PK Chris

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Scend

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Don't have to just watch the best reps

fringe moth
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You’re saying so a lot of reps ?

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Do

zinc patio
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Nah I'm just saying

fringe moth
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ok

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as a lucas/ness deity who should i try to master first

zinc patio
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Bro I already said play who you like

fringe moth
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i know i cant decide lol

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ok well thanks for the sesh ill try to get better

zinc patio
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You just use who you like

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I like Ness as a character, like that actual character, and that's why I play him

fringe moth
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yeah i like both bc they are similar and their moves are cool and they bring out my attention more than other characters