#I need help with Diddy Kong fundamentals / Offense and Defense (Not Understanding)

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kind gate
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What is your time zone? EST

What specifically do you need help with? I need help with fundamentals and neutral on Diddy, as well as learning offense and defense in different matchups.

When are you typically available? Available from 6:30 pm EST to about 8:00 pm EST on almost any day during the week.

How long have you been playing the game for? For 6 years and have been maining Diddy Kong a while after Min Min was first released. (Don't remember the exact day sorry)

Can I VC? Yes

remote harbor
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@vocal spade yo can you help this person out with Diddy?

vocal spade
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Yes I can

remote harbor
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Sick, @kind gate get in here

kind gate
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Alright just hold on I was eating during the process of getting this ready lol

vocal spade
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Actually

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Maybe I can’t tonight

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Maybe if I finish this work quickly

kind gate
vocal spade
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Alright thanks

kind gate
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I'm fine with anytime tomorrow but whatever works with you man.

kind gate
vocal spade
kind gate
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Alright got it I was playing some battles offline right now anyways lol. But yeah tell me when and I'll be ready

kind gate
vocal spade
kind gate
vocal spade
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I’ll do it earlier tmmr

kind gate
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Ok got it, I probably won't even warm up before then lol.

kind gate
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Hey you about ready to start @vocal spade ?

vocal spade
kind gate
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Ok can you vc cause I can if you want

vocal spade
kind gate
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Well I won't make you, it would make the session easier for me is why I asked.

vocal spade
kind gate
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I mean sure, but I haven't warmed up but I'm sure it'll be fine. Like go against someone right now?

vocal spade
kind gate
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Alright just tell me the code.

vocal spade
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Pass is 1

kind gate
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All 1's or just a one?

vocal spade
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Jus 1 1

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Be sure to put your stage on random

kind gate
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Could you tell me the password for real your hint didn't help me lol.

vocal spade
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Ok 33LS6/1

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It’s only one 1

kind gate
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Alright I'm in

vocal spade
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I’m gonna start by seeing how you play generally

kind gate
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Ok got it

vocal spade
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So a note

kind gate
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That was a bad match for me

vocal spade
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In neutral you rely on shield ALOT

vocal spade
kind gate
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Yeah of course.

vocal spade
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Alright we’ll play to 3 or 5

kind gate
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I can go 5 maybe.

vocal spade
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That game was better because you shed your reliance on shield

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Diddy has a ton of options to mix up opponents so shield use should be saved for a tight spot

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Also try to keep banana in mind it’s an amazing tool

kind gate
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That was so different for me, and the reason I rely on shield so much when I play against my best friend cause all my friend does is mostly roll and spot dodge lol, so I guess I got used to it on accident.

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But I'm not right I'm just saying

vocal spade
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No no it’s alright a lot of people use shield more than necessary especially since usually they’re never punished for it

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Me included until I was told this same thing I used shield so much

kind gate
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And am I allow to switch characters? Or do I have to stay Diddy the whole time?

vocal spade
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But if you need diddy Kong fundamentals it would be easier to see YOU playing diddy so I can work off of that

kind gate
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I mean sure. But I'm a little scared honestly. But I'll stay Diddy for this one then switch.

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Hold on

vocal spade
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I’m not gonna judge the way you play or anything I’m just here to hopefully help you improve what’s already great

kind gate
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Well I am nervous I usually practice against cpus, when I go online I lose a lot of matches.

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But how's my performance so far?

vocal spade
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So far it’s actually pretty decent

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You do get a little nervous going offstage though

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You’re recovery is more or less great

kind gate
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Well I'm against a Gannoin and Diddy mains are scared and I'm trying not to be lol.

vocal spade
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You’re doing great don’t worry

kind gate
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But I think I'm ready to start now.

vocal spade
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Alright

kind gate
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Was that true, cause I couldn't tell.

vocal spade
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Yeah

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Getting more comfortable offstage would help your gameplay a lot

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You know how to recover you just need to know WHEN to use your recovery tools

kind gate
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How do I get more comfortable offstage then?

vocal spade
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Like monkey flip you use above ledge a lot and that lands you in a perfect spot to punish

vocal spade
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Even if you end up sding once or twice

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The more you do it the most comfortable you’ll get with it

kind gate
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Well I have to make sure I make it back at least.

vocal spade
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While we’re taking the time to practice with nothing on the line

kind gate
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I'm gonna switch characters for now.

vocal spade
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You can go a bit farther out if you think something will work

vocal spade
kind gate
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Well that was bad for me I feel like.

vocal spade
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Part of that might just be the matchup here I can’t lie

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But also I like that you did try to edgeguard this game

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With incineroar that is just a bit harder than it is with diddy Kong

kind gate
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Wait what just happened? Did I spike you with up b?

vocal spade
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Yeah it hit me as I jumped so it ate my input

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But that game was a lot better overall

kind gate
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And Diddy gets flung when hit during up b.

vocal spade
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After this one I’m gonna get my friend in the ring so I can see how you do against different play styles

kind gate
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Oh ok sure

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I am not used to a Diddy ditto tbh.

vocal spade
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I. Am lol but also

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For any matchup with diddy you’re always gonna want a banana on the field

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It’s just good for everything

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At ledge for easier edge guarding,

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A good combo tool.

kind gate
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But I'm used to not spamming it that much as you can tell.

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Well not spamming but you get the point.

vocal spade
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Yeah I get what you’re saying

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But the best way to learn anything is repetition

kind gate
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This will take me a while to get used to.

vocal spade
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I believe you can do it

kind gate
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Alright lets get it

vocal spade
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That was beautiful

kind gate
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That spike at the end was great to land btw

vocal spade
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Two things I noticed

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I see you’re getting better with pulling out the banana

kind gate
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Man I was close that time.

vocal spade
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The banana is a good tool for ledgetrapping

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Like putting it right at the ledge so you can cover a roll and a get up

kind gate
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I keep forgetting to z drop lol

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I should work on that a little.

vocal spade
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And another thing

kind gate
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Well I did it but I meant to smash attack instead of dash attack.

vocal spade
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When you’re off stage in disadvantage

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You tend to monkey flip ONTO the stage

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Try doing it to ledge instead

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So you snap to ledge

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And instead of going for a cheeky fsmash you should try to go for a grab instead. It’ll extend your combos and put you in more of an advantage

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And yes the down air is fun to hit offstage, it does have a smaller hitbox. So I would try edgeguarding with a nair or fair if you want to be on the safer side

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Ledgetrapping with banana will also be a safe way to deal with recoveries

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This is a lot of information at once I know if you need extra clarification on something specific lmk

kind gate
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Well Idk this is hard for me fighting a Lucina lol.

vocal spade
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Yeah I get that but these are just some things that would help make the match up easier

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Let me play a match with him I want you to watch what I do

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Keep a close eye and see what works and what doesn’t

kind gate
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Got it

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Now I don't usually edgeguard with two forward airs.

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But I was taking notes, not literally but I can see it now.

vocal spade
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It’s more reliable than a hail Marry down air

vocal spade
kind gate
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Ok got it.

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Yeah I think I got this one now.

vocal spade
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Can you tell me some things you noticed while I was playing?

kind gate
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Well yes but I can't name them off the top of my head at this moment.

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I might switch characters after this.

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But it depends on how I do.

vocal spade
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Just put whatever you may have learned into practice

kind gate
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I swear this game hbates me somtimeas

vocal spade
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Btw he’s not tbagging on purpose his controller is broken

vocal spade
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I wanna say you played better there than in the games you won before

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You’re knocking off a lot of bad habits

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He’s gonna try to fix his controller rq so play me for a bit

kind gate
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Well how does one play neutral as Diddy? And how does the offense and defense for Diddy change in match ups?

vocal spade
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For diddy banana is like 90% of his neutral

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Banana and grabs

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You want to bait your opponent into creating an opportunity

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Then you want to quickly punish

kind gate
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Well I'll give it a shot.

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I can't play a diddy ditto causemy best friend doesn't play this character very well, man I have to get used to this.

vocal spade
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I was mainly playing diddy to try and show you another way to play him but who does your friend play?

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I might be able to play them and help

kind gate
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My friends main is cloud.

vocal spade
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I see

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I can do cloud do you want me to switch or stay diddy?

kind gate
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You can switch to cloud, I can probably handle it, I might have to try just a little bit tho.

vocal spade
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Try your hardest

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And also try to keep in mind you have a lot of ways to edgeguard

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Even hitting me with banana offstage can work sometimes

kind gate
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My friends cloud did not play like that I'll be honest.

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He used shield a lot more, like I was at the start of this session.

vocal spade
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Ah

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I only ever really flicker shield in neutral

kind gate
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I held shield so many times but it never comes out for some reason.

vocal spade
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Online delay probably

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Gets everyone

kind gate
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Well when I needed to. And this is why I like offline more lol.

vocal spade
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Ok I see the main issue is your disadvantage state that’s when things start to go really sour

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I see you using aerials while being combos that’s not the best plan

kind gate
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Disadvantage is what I wanted to get better with cause I'm so bad at it with Diddy and all the characters I play with.

vocal spade
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I would recommend trying to get space away from me with during disadvantage or just try to squeeze through my attacks while in the air

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You’ll have a better chance at dodging if you’re not stuck in the animation of a move you get what I mean?

vocal spade
kind gate
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Well good.

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I'm gonna switch now this isn't working for me right now.

vocal spade
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Alright

kind gate
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I swear that didn't hit me.

vocal spade
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You were behind me lol

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This might sound a bit generalized but try to play a bit more patiently

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Ike has ALOT of openings especially if a end up whiffing a move

kind gate
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If i remember its 2233 on moves

vocal spade
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I’ll do 3 more

kind gate
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Alright fine by me.

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Dude can I at least win one match agfainst you I feel so bad right now cause I can't win.

vocal spade
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It’s alright try not to feel bad about it

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Ggs

kind gate
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Like see what am I supposed to do this is so hard.

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And yes I'm raging.

vocal spade
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Take a deep breath

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Everyone plays worse when they rage

kind gate
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Well I'm trying to calm down but it's so hartd for me.

vocal spade
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I do understand that but you’ve made a lot of progress from when we started 2 hours ago

kind gate
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I'm gonna take a second hold on.

vocal spade
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You’re overall playing a lot better and you’ve fixed almost all of the issues I’ve pointed out

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I’m gonna call the session for now but it was a pleasure coaching you

kind gate
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Well thanks but I might need more sessions like this on a different day this has helped me a lot tho, just need to get used to it.

vocal spade
kind gate
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I still need to learn fundamentals thats what I just remembered lol.

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But maybe next time?

vocal spade
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You just need to refine it

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You won’t be perfect at it in just 2 hours of playing but you’re learning fast

kind gate
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Ik I am a fast learner, but my rage was rising with every match, and it's hard for me to calm down easily.

vocal spade
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It’s ok take the time you need to settle down

kind gate
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Yeah I do, and this server does tournaments, did I hear that right?

vocal spade
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Not nearly as much as they used to but they’re getting them back on track last I heard

kind gate
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Well then I might get to face you then, but I'm gonna keep on improving when I can, now I'm gonna play DKCR's, the remake just came out today.

vocal spade
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Have fun with it

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Peace FoxSalute

kind gate
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Peace man, see you whenever.

kind gate
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Oh @vocal spade I wanted to ask you one more thing. What is diddy’s worst match up?

vocal spade