ZSS with bad execution and bad habits | Super Smash Bros. Ultimate | Page 1

harsh flare Jun 19, 2023, 4:19 PM

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Who are you requesting?
@analog lava
What is your time zone?
EST

What specifically do you need help with?
My execution is kinda bad, and sometimes I find myself mashing side B and whiffing the throw button.

My recovery isn't very good either because sometimes I take the same route over and over again and I eventually get punished for it.

When are you typically available?
Almost every day unless I'm on street fighter 6.

How long have you been playing the game for?
Since June of 2022

Can I VC?
Yes.

Tags: Movement, Execution, Improve a Character, Can VC

harsh flare Jun 19, 2023, 9:09 PM

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whoops I pinged the wrong person

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sorry to who I'm about to ghost ping 💀

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damn the coach isn't even in the server anymore

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I only have one other option then

analog lava Jun 20, 2023, 5:13 PM

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harsh flare **Who are you requesting?** <@743386310491766824> **What is your time zone?** ...

i did not get this ping at all lol

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i can help like rn if ur available or sum

harsh flare Jun 20, 2023, 7:39 PM

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analog lava i can help like rn if ur available or sum

Hey

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What's your timezone?

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I just left the water park so I'll be able to get online in maybe a few hours cause my mom has to pick me up

analog lava Jun 20, 2023, 7:41 PM

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harsh flare What's your timezone?

est

harsh flare Jun 20, 2023, 7:41 PM

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alright

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It depends when my mom picks me up

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I'll keep in touch with you

analog lava Jun 20, 2023, 7:46 PM

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alri

harsh flare Jun 20, 2023, 9:37 PM

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Shouldn't be more than an hour

harsh flare Jun 20, 2023, 10:31 PM

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@analog lava whenever you're available I can

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actually since you're offline let me take the opportunity to shower

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I'll be 5 minutes

analog lava Jun 20, 2023, 10:47 PM

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harsh flare <@743386310491766824> whenever you're available I can

i would say it’s better to play tmrw, i’m out rn and idk when i’ll be home

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probably after 10

harsh flare Jun 20, 2023, 10:48 PM

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okay

harsh flare Jun 21, 2023, 6:15 PM

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@analog lava hey

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unless you're 100% comfortable coaching without a mic then we probably can't do today either

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i won't be home but I'll have my switch most likely

analog lava Jun 21, 2023, 6:17 PM

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harsh flare unless you're 100% comfortable coaching without a mic then we probably can't do ...

i usually don’t vc so it’s fine honestly

harsh flare Jun 21, 2023, 6:17 PM

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alright cool

harsh flare Jun 21, 2023, 11:54 PM

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@analog lava hey I completely fell asleep 💀

analog lava Jun 21, 2023, 11:55 PM

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harsh flare <@743386310491766824> hey I completely fell asleep 💀

all good, when would u wanna play?

harsh flare Jun 21, 2023, 11:59 PM

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analog lava all good, when would u wanna play?

Im good now

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:01 AM

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harsh flare Im good now

alright bet

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lemme host

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6QLG1/8283

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:03 AM

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coming

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here I am

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robloxmanfalling

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:09 AM

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loll

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let’s play another one then i’ll give advice

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:12 AM

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MY JUMP 😭😭

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:13 AM

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loll

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but yeah the execution is a biggg thing, i’m seeing ur getting hits that are like good but u don’t know where or how to position urself for a follow up after that

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or even true combos in that

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since i’m going for way more combos and reads on u i’m getting way more off of interactions

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while u we’re struggling with my first stock i just had to worry abt chip damage etc

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so u have to make every hit count

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especially as zss

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:15 AM

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right

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:15 AM

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also ur disadvantage is alright not terrible or anything

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but u do kinda jump out of the corner a decent amount

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i would just say ur ledge option should depend on what character ur against/ what ur opponent is doing more than what u want to do

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:17 AM

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If I roll against a good ZSS they're most likely gonna read me and down smash

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:17 AM

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u could realistically just wait

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that’s what i would do at least

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cuz they can’t cover roll with down smash and waiting at ledge

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they have to commit to one

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:18 AM

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right

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why did I side smash like 4 times omg

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:22 AM

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u gotta DI down and In for up b btw

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:23 AM

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I did that was a kill

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:38 AM

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do u have any questions so far btw? anything u wanna know

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:39 AM

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Im not very good at using paralyzer or fjk

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do you use your tilt stick to do down B?

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or do you just press attack

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:40 AM

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ur not using fjk in bad places i’m hardly punishing them, but paralyzer u don’t really have to use it much

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:40 AM

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harsh flare or do you just press attack

i just press attack

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if i use the stick i sometimes mess up the direction lol

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:41 AM

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I like paralyzer

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I watch a lot of sparta videos he uses it really nicely

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:42 AM

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yeah but he’s also doing like really niche tech with it lol

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do u watch marss much?

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:42 AM

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I love marss

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:42 AM

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same here

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:42 AM

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I've watched him in genesis 7 grand finals countless times lol

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:43 AM

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lmao yeah that’s fair, the way he plays can’t be replicated like at all so that’s probably why it’s kinda hard to understand and get what he does

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:43 AM

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His movement is so clean nobody else plays like him

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:43 AM

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like whenever i watch him like i see why he did the option but i’m still confused why he does it

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makes him hella good lol

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 12:56 AM

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gasp

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why the hell was I standing still 😭😭

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 12:56 AM

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😭

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i can prob play like 1-2 more btw

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alright ggs

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:02 AM

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ggs

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:02 AM

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do u have anymore questions before i say more stuff?

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:03 AM

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ermmmmmm

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not really to be honest

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:03 AM

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alright that’s fair

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:05 AM

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I just don't have a good idea of how to do combos in any game and my recovery is kinda lame

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:06 AM

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alright so imma just say everything i saw. ur zss is solid but i would say going for more nairs to get combo starters, knowing what hit to go for and when to grab are the main things, because zss grab is probably one of the most risky grabs to go for in the game, so a lot of characters can just hard punish or kill you for it. also the awareness offstage is a big part. there’s a lot of times u still had a resources but didn’t really make it back after, or just doing down b when i’m prepared to punish it same thing with zair

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like number one thing u should do after this session is practice short hop nair

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tbh tbh

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:06 AM

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i should definitely go to training mode and practice my combos

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:07 AM

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like if u get short hop nair down u can tech chase easier whiff punish easier etc

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:07 AM

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my short hops aren't good? 😭

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:07 AM

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harsh flare my short hops aren't good? 😭

wdym

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:07 AM

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nothing I thought you were saying I whiffed nair a lot

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💀💀

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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lmaoo nah it’s not even that

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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another thing a lot of ZSS do is up air i dont use up air at all

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:08 AM

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oh yeah

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falling up air is like hella safe

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and it’s like the best way to combo to up air

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:09 AM

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yeah the ladder combos

analog lava Jun 22, 2023, 1:09 AM

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mhm

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but yeah i gtg do some stuff for now, ask me any questions if u ever need it and i can probably help

harsh flare Jun 22, 2023, 1:10 AM

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I appreciate that

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thanks

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I was struggling to figure out why I wasn't improving but it's a bit clearer now

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Like I knew my execution was part of it but I'm not abusing my good options as well and my recovery and movement isn't all that either

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Thank you for the help

#ZSS with bad execution and bad habits