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[queen mural]

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[broken falcon]

It too late but thanks

[queen mural]

[rotund geode]

It’s not random?
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined

[stark karma]

[broken falcon]

I feel bad for || betraying Songbird || but that militech canto or Erebus is only available once since Im on PlayStation

[chrome vortex]

I don't screw her she lied to me tbf so did reed a little bit but in such i case i go with whoever pays more

[compact sail]

Hi

[midnight osprey]

Basically, they both lie to you

So you pick whoever lies convince you

[chrome vortex]

Or pick whoever gives you more stuff

Songbird is a broke schizo with an ai frying her brain reed has a federal agency backing him

Ik who i'd pick

And it certainly ain't the broke computer witch who aims to piss off a government

[midnight osprey]

I would pick Reed if my V doesn't want to go back night city

Bruv

Langley sounds wonderful

But no, V gotta pick NC

[chrome vortex]

Millitech and NUSA ain't that bad if you side with them they can be fair to V

Unlike arasaka or kang toa

[chrome vortex]

Who are arrogant and rude

[midnight osprey]

Well they have guarantees, I just dont side with them bc the cure ending doesn't allow me to accept Reed offer tbh

Usually

I side with songbird then go with panam

[chrome vortex]

You can side with reed and mercy kill songbird or side with reed completely and then just not call him at the tower when you're deciding an ending

[midnight osprey]

Well my canon is, if I side with Reed, Imma do the cure ending

But since I hate V's decision in the end, which cannot be controlled at all, I only did the cure ending once

[chrome vortex]

Cure ending is probably the worst

Living as an npc

Getting bullied by thugs

[midnight osprey]

Ikr

If you get to stay in langley

I would pick it

Yeah there's no happy ending for us but the fact that V wants to go back to NC with nothing doesn't make a sense for me

I would pick langley desk job no doubt then live a comfy life with a potential date with Myers as she promised

[queen mural]

Only the last play matters.

[midnight osprey]

Yeah bc it influence that talk with Hansen

Credit doesn't matter, you dont lose much anyway

[broken falcon]

God I hate the part where to go into cynosure

It’s not scary or stressful

Just so boring and slow kinda

[edgy walrus]

Then idk if it is for you. Have you done it multiple times?

[broken falcon]

Yeah

I just want the Erebus or militech canto

[edgy walrus]

Well obviously the thrill of it will wear off after doing it multiple times (although i personally still find it a little scary at times)

[broken falcon]

Sure Im hating on the part but it is well designed

[broken falcon]

Oh yeah I was scared the first time since I didnt have anything stealthy

[edgy walrus]

Last time i was on it, i played it at 3AM...

[broken falcon]

I mean to me personally it isn’t scary just annoying

[edgy walrus]

Well that is the thing with horror games. If they're not scary, they're annoying. What's your take on horror games in general?

[chrome vortex]

Try playing it in pitch black without any background noise

[broken falcon]

I don’t really play horror games but when I do I focus on the story

[broken falcon]

Yea no thanks💔

[proud forum]

Excellent idea sir

[edgy walrus]

That could explain it. They're just not for you. Meaning this wasn't really for you either

[broken falcon]

How DO I get the militech canto? Ive only ever got the Erebus

[chrome vortex]

Its behind a door with a keypad

[broken falcon]

Theres a lot of doors

[chrome vortex]

Can either get the code or hack it with 20 int

[edgy walrus]

Better get to checkin'

[chrome vortex]

And you'll have 20 int anyway if you're netrunner

[edgy walrus]

Why do you want it anyway tho? It's kinda shit😭

[rough nacelle]

If you do Lovecraftian you get a good story plus monsters on top.

[broken falcon]

Netrunner build

[chrome vortex]

Completely untrue the canto isn't as versatile as the rippler but jts op af if you have the right build

[edgy walrus]

True

[chrome vortex]

It really needs a lot of health via overclock thoufh

[edgy walrus]

Can do that with other cyberdecks too. This one ain't much special

[chrome vortex]

And you have to use cyberware malfunction 2 or 3 times on target first then the gateway hack is way quicker

[edgy walrus]

The amount of effort it asked for isn't worth the result

[broken falcon]

Plus the blackwall effect actually feels deadly unlike a few of the combat quickhacks

[edgy walrus]

Can get the same with erebus

[chrome vortex]

Its not that much effort just hack a door, and use components to craft it once you get the quest

[rough nacelle]

Just do a t5++ rippler, you can mwross everyone why would you use a blackwall gateway lore wise?

Just weird

[broken falcon]

It’s cool?

You can always swap it out for free and a ripper anyways

[rough nacelle]

Lorewise you are endangering mankind but ok xD

[edgy walrus]

Exactly

[broken falcon]

Looking at cyberpunk currently that ain’t bad

[chrome vortex]

Thats why its cool my V is making friends with the evil ai

[rough nacelle]

Lol

[broken falcon]

Rule of cool

[edgy walrus]

I wasn't talking about getting it. I was talking about making it usable and viable

[rough nacelle]

AI have no friends

[chrome vortex]

If you're already a combat netrunner it will work well

But thats the thing you need to be a combat netrunner with loads of health

[edgy walrus]

But a Rippler will work better for half the effort if not less

[rough nacelle]

Canto is just a power trip, super meh in the end.

[broken falcon]

Super cool though

[chrome vortex]

Idk i've cleared entire bases with 3 blackwall gateways in like 5 seconds just watching 15 people melt at the same time is cool af

[edgy walrus]

I always take Erebus because it's just a solid choice all around. You get what you ask for. A gun that shoots blackwall at enemies

[chrome vortex]

For anything other than a tanky combat netrunner the erebus is the better choice

[rough nacelle]

Yeah songbird wiped a stadium, alt wiped a building in second and took over defenses for itself.... again, meh

[edgy walrus]

Worst thing about it is the damage lacks a little

[broken falcon]

The enemies die most of the time before the blackwall effect does damage

[edgy walrus]

You're honestly just better off taking Erebus then too and using the Rippler as your cyberdeck

[rough nacelle]

You are making our point

[chrome vortex]

A true netrunner uses no guns

[edgy walrus]

Not from my experience

[rough nacelle]

Yeah i guess

[rough nacelle]

Yes it does lol, why you think smart weapons were invented

That was the ultimate combo

[chrome vortex]

Wrong if you kill people together that makes you friends v has at least 3 ai friends, skippy, erebus/canto and that vending machine

[chrome vortex]

Nah i have no need i just fry them with my mind and monowire

No need for such uncouth methods

[broken falcon]

I’ll still take the canto cause it’s cool

[chrome vortex]

I use guns with most other builds so netrunner nah wanted to be different

[rough nacelle]

Gmp: true netrunners use no weapons
Also gmp: uses monowire xD

[broken falcon]

When I do my 700th reflex, smg/ assault rifle build I’ll get Erebus again

[edgy walrus]

Well tbf he did say guns. Not weapons

[chrome vortex]

Thats different the monowire is more elegant

[rough nacelle]

Have you ever shot a gambiteered dian on overclock?

Try it

[broken falcon]

It just doesn’t have the same aura as mantis blades

It’s unique

I guess

[edgy walrus]

Mantis Blades are lowkey slept on. I love using 'em

[rough nacelle]

Still a weapon

[chrome vortex]

The main aura from netrunning is walking into a room and having 10 people melt without even moving

Terrifying

[rough nacelle]

Mantis suck dude any katana is better

[broken falcon]

I heard we could’ve used them to climb up stuff like a spider

[chrome vortex]

Not a gun

[edgy walrus]

A little boring too tho

[chrome vortex]

Nah i love it

[broken falcon]

Katanas are only good cause attack speed

[chrome vortex]

Makes me feel like a god

[rough nacelle]

Still better is a fact

[edgy walrus]

Nah. Get the relic upgrade and they're awesome to use. Leaping from enemy to enemy, ripping them to shreds

[broken falcon]

For a single reason

[chrome vortex]

Mantis blades got cooler animations

[broken falcon]

Errata is hella tuff though

[edgy walrus]

Probably the best one looks-wise

[broken falcon]

Definitely

[edgy walrus]

I'd say Byakko feels the best to use tho

[broken falcon]

The other katanas seem too smooth

[chrome vortex]

Its the best for crowds definitely

[broken falcon]

Im not sure how to describe it

[chrome vortex]

That speed buff it has

[edgy walrus]

Combining it with Sandevistan, doing omnislashes on the enemy. It's too awesome to pass up i'd say

[chrome vortex]

Its a fun way to play though if i'm going sandevistan again ill probably try out pistols

After my netrunner build is done ill go johnny silverhand build

[edgy walrus]

Meaning what? Exclusively using his gun and das it?

[chrome vortex]

Yeah and probably a sandevistan and grenade arm seems like shit johnny would use

[edgy walrus]

We never see him with that but maybe

[chrome vortex]

And make only choices johnny would make

[chrome vortex]

I don't think they existed in 2023 but its the type of stuff he would use definitely

[edgy walrus]

Pretty sure sandevistans were made around 2004 in the cyberpunk universe

[chrome vortex]

Ok so he bad one in lore

[edgy walrus]

Strange to think they had futuristic stuff back then too. Wonder what time in the cyberpunk universe would be most like our time here

[chrome vortex]

Idk because they are also more primitive in some ways their net doesn't work the same way for example since the crash

Its more localised

[cunning rose]

Their net is quite the opposite of primitive

[chrome vortex]

I said MORE primitive not primitive they don't have like surveillance that we do

Thats why theres so much crime

[cunning rose]

They have better surveillance 🤷‍♂️

[chrome vortex]

Clearly not true when gangs can just do stuff out in the open

[cunning rose]

Night city is a free city

Meaning it's surviving on its own and corrupted asf

The police literally asks you (V), a merc to help them with cyberpsychos cause they can't do their job. Don't mistaken lack of capabilities from law enforcement for lack of surveillance

[broken falcon]

Im also confused why a maintenance bot is so fast I mean it doesn’t look the lightest

[finite heron]

Yes but maxtach is still a thing

[broken falcon]

But maybe it is light since vents can support it

Well military grade vents

[chrome vortex]

I mean if they can't do that they probably don't have the resources to put security cameras and spy on everyone like say the uk police do

[cunning rose]

or even if they knew they would still not be able to do anything 🤷‍♂️

[chrome vortex]

Yeah in night city if you wanna be kept safe you're better off just carrying a gun or hiring arasaka as private security

[cunning rose]

like any kind of information about any important person in night city we can find it with just a visit to your local fixer

[warped galleon]

Almost everything you see in 2077 existed back then in some form

[chrome vortex]

Depends on how good that fixer is i would not trust any information coming from dexter deshawn

[edgy walrus]

I know

[cunning rose]

we didnt get false info from dex 🤷‍♂️

[chrome vortex]

He didn't know saburo arasaka was coming

He was a fool

He paid in advance

To maelstrom

You shouldn't pay in advance for anything illegal

Thats stupid

He was asking to get ripped off

[cunning rose]

that was evelyn

[chrome vortex]

Especially since it was maelstrom of all people

[cunning rose]

dex was just the middle man

[chrome vortex]

Who almost ripped him off

I couldn't see her pulling that off against wakako or padre

But deshawn? He's a clown

Cool gun though

[cunning rose]

you cant double cross some1 off who triple crosses you off 1st

[broken falcon]

Now that I have the militech canto it’s ok

I guess

You just really need to specialized perks and stuff

[chrome vortex]

Use cyberware malfunction 2 or 3 times on an enemy before you use blackwall gateway

Makes it much quicker

[broken falcon]

Wouldn’t that just be wasting the ram?

[chrome vortex]

No it makes it load quicker

[broken falcon]

Oh

[chrome vortex]

Same with synapse burnout

Synapse burnout on its own is slower than using malfunction beforehand

[broken falcon]

But what perks should I use?

I know I’ll be using overclock a lot

Meaning a lot of health drained but I only have 4 in body

[broken falcon]

Would it work with its lowest tier?

[queen mural]

Map cleared. Total Completed Quests in the Journal = 240
Time to enter that swollen Appendix of NC

[chrome vortex]

Thats your mistake should be 20 body

[broken falcon]

Oh well I guess it’s too late now

[chrome vortex]

How i set it up was 20 int 20 body and 20 tech and the rest in reflexes

[broken falcon]

I cannot reset my attributes

[chrome vortex]

There might be a mod that lets you

[broken falcon]

Im on PlayStation

[chrome vortex]

Oof

Yeah the canto needs insane health to be viable

Its basically the cyberpunk equivalent to a blood mage

[broken falcon]

Yeah I wasn’t exactly thinking fully what I was gonna do for this netrunner build

Maybe next time

[broken falcon]

Wouldn’t I be able to replace 20 reflexes with 20
Cool?

And leave it at 9

If I choose a pistol build

[chrome vortex]

Yeah but then you lose dash which is very useful for bosses

For a sneaky netrunner the arasaka cyberdeck works better

[broken falcon]

Eh i dont really do a lot of stealth

Maybe I look through my saves and see if I have a playthough that I haven’t reset attributes or did the cynosure thing yet

[chrome vortex]

Well yeah canto is more of an open combat crowd killer build with heal on kill, biomonitor implants and the part of the tech tree that boosts healing items

[broken falcon]

If not I’ll probably start a whole new playthrough

[chrome vortex]

Plus high body and health regen

So you basically create a loop of overclock where you kill people for health and regen health as you kill allowing you to kill more

[broken falcon]

So really just maximizing health regen?

[chrome vortex]

Yes as it basically leads to infinite ram

[broken falcon]

Hm alright

[chrome vortex]

And your overclock gains charge as you kill people

So if you keep killing it doesn't run out

[broken falcon]

Would smart weapons not help a lot no?

[chrome vortex]

It can but i haven't used them

[broken falcon]

One perk gives 2 ram every kill I believe with a smart weapon

[chrome vortex]

Its gotten to the point i can just walk in and obliterate everyone with either cyberware malfunction + synapse burnout or blackwall gateway

And i have monowire as backup

But thats just my personal taste

As i use guns with most other builds so wanted to change it up

Can work extremely well with smart weapons or whatever

Seen some youtube videos of somebody pairing it with a katana pretty well

[broken falcon]

Im not sure what build I should do anymore

[chrome vortex]

Oh yeah cyberpunk got lots of possible playstyles

Worth multiple playthroughs

And every playthrough lasts 60-80 hrs so its a big investment

[queen mural]

That look is priceless. Cat got your tongue, Johnny boy?

Songbird Lie #1 - I can cure you

Anyone know how many times Songbird lies to V?

[chrome vortex]

Its worse she can cure him she chooses not to as its only for one person

Lies about the job a few times

[cunning rose]

Every lie justified except the cure one 🤷‍♂️

[queen mural]

29 times to be precise.

[chrome vortex]

What offends me with songbird is the same thing that offends me with claire

She understands i am a mercenary only in it for monetary rewards and yet she is offended when i choose to side with NUSA who are richer, more powerful and lied to me less

[queen mural]

V 'The Fool' getting suckered along. Not this time 😉

[devout grail]

well.. she wasnt exactly lying. The tech can cure you but the truth was NUSA can cure BOTH of you

you just have to choose which one to save

[chrome vortex]

Only reason to side with song bird is if you hate the NUSA and wanna have fun committing terrorism against an airport

But songbird herself? Screw her

[queen mural]

She never planned on sharing the tech with V. So yes, she was lying. NUSA did not lie to V

[cunning rose]

Atleast so mi had a good reason

[chrome vortex]

I would only side with her to spite rosalind not because i sympathise

[cunning rose]

Committing terrorism

Avg ragebait take

[chrome vortex]

She honestly would've been better staying with NUSA at that point

[cunning rose]

Are you worth saving by enslaving some1 else?

That's the question I want you to answer

[chrome vortex]

Thats not ragebait its what it is you blast a bunch of airport security it might be for a good reason but in the eyes of the public you're a terrorist

[devout grail]

I think the one understated thing was Relic prototype tech being Militech

[hollow umbra]

Not gonna lie, saying V commits terrorism in the airport when every single civilian and bystander casualty was caused by the NUSA/Militech before V even raised a finger is just plain weird a take

[cunning rose]

If you are willing to imprison some1 to save your life, judging some1 that lies to you to save his life it's kinda selfish and hypocrit 🤷‍♂️

Ig that's just me

[chrome vortex]

No you can kill the security as well

If you get put in interrogation room

[devout grail]

Well.. I blame Myers for unloading a batallion of NUSA spec-ops to chase after you

[queen mural]

Hey, to those who side with Songbird - ignorance is bliss.

[chrome vortex]

You kill the airport security before NUSA arrives

[devout grail]

now she have no rights at all to do that to a civilian infrastructure

[cunning rose]

No you don't

Xd

[hollow umbra]

Myers is the one who orders the elimination of every single witness around to keep Songbird a secret

[chrome vortex]

Yes you do

[devout grail]

you can stealth through the airport

[cunning rose]

The airport security literally doesn't shoot you

[chrome vortex]

I didn't

[cunning rose]

No you don't

[devout grail]

or just let yourself get caught which was actually easier to do so

[chrome vortex]

It does if you punch them

[hollow umbra]

We kill government agents, sure, who are also being ordered to kill us on sight

[cunning rose]

Orbital air doesn't attack you

[cunning rose]

Oh

[devout grail]

gitgud

[cunning rose]

So if you try and kill them

They defend themselves

Hmmm

[queen mural]

Side with Reed and there's no airport slaughter. Minimum collateral damage

[cunning rose]

Ok we re just yapping at this point ignoring facts and assuming things that never happened

[chrome vortex]

Or if you get put in interrogation room if you're aggressive during body search

[cunning rose]

So I'm out

[cunning rose]

Don't be

Unless you want to kill them

[devout grail]

oh no.. you still kill a lot of people... through that route. So Mi went ballistic at the stadium, then maxtac and sixth street

[chrome vortex]

No its fun slaughtering them

No one escapes the slaughterhouse

[devout grail]

and the untold damage of what NUSA can do when they regain access to militech facilities

[cunning rose]

Oh so you re going for terrorism, cool that's up to you.

[chrome vortex]

Yes because my nomad v was a gigachad

Who slaughtered armies all by himself

No need for sneaking around

[cunning rose]

Oh so it's not so mi that causes terrorism is you but you blame so mi

Hmmm

[devout grail]

lol

[cunning rose]

Really reminds me of something I just said

[queen mural]

To a certain point, up untill....

[cunning rose]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-we-out-peace-out-disappear-gif-15464202

[devout grail]

just trolling I guess

[cunning rose]

Ye like no point arguing

[chrome vortex]

Did i say blame? I literally said that the only reason to side with so mi is so you can have fun committing terrorism

And to troll the NUSA

[devout grail]

mmm what we do to aggressive foreign government agents invading our airport

[cunning rose]

Have we played the same game?

Or you just watched a yt short?

[chrome vortex]

Stop talking like a redditor

Just because you don't agree

Thats pathetic

[cunning rose]

Any short of logic has left the chat

[hollow umbra]

Feels like this is gonna devolve into petty insults in a moment, so I'mma go

[devout grail]

you can also commit terrorism against Arasaka in most of the endings.... but okay

[cunning rose]

Ye like, idk what some people are smoking

[chrome vortex]

Yeah and thats fun as well the don't fear the reaper is the best ending

Just slaughter them all

[devout grail]

could do the Aldecaldos ending and kill Militech too

[chrome vortex]

Its annoying your health ticks down though

[cunning rose]

Terrorism is fun?

[queen mural]

The reason I avoid talking to trolls

[cunning rose]

What am I reading

[chrome vortex]

In a game yes

[devout grail]

a newbie anyway

that said The Witcher 3 DLC was a surprise though.

[cunning rose]

I think there were rumors a while now

[devout grail]

I don't think suddenly they would change their mind adding extra for cyberpunk but we could wish for

[cunning rose]

It might just be me tho

[chrome vortex]

They are making more dlc?

[cunning rose]

I doubt it, atleast not anytime soon

[chrome vortex]

Damn i thought they'd just be working solely on witcher 4

[devout grail]

A major 2.3 update would be nice. I accept crumbs

[cunning rose]

W.e 🤷‍♂️

The game looks the same to me from 1.6 when I first played it

[devout grail]

well.. you're using the same system

then again I am happy my potato 2017 laptop still runs this game despite raising the requirements

[cunning rose]

I mean I don't mind the quality of life updates but ye, I don't expect anything crazy. They m8ght do a dlc for orion tho who knows (like with the witcher)

[cunning rose]

That's crazy

[chrome vortex]

I run the game on max except for ray tracing on pc and it looks so different compared to ps4

And it actually runs at a solid framerate

[devout grail]

Phantom Liberty fill in a lot of the map. But I wished more regions was utilized in questlines and such (like the biotechnica farm, the oilfields)

the major updates does add more content though

oh wait.. we're on 2.31. I mean like 2.4

[chrome vortex]

Maybe im still glad they have those areas though even if they ain't used much they add worldbuilding

[cunning rose]

Well yeah but PL was a paid dlc

[devout grail]

Next to the farm was a prison sector in the badlands. Which have a lot of cool lore about

[devout grail]

They released major updates with content for free so far. Edgerunners 2 might also factor in because they love doing media tie-ins

[chrome vortex]

I did love that they gave you the jacket

It is a very cool jacket

[devout grail]

...which I hardly wear and ignore

kinda gross to wear a dead kid's stuff too

[chrome vortex]

But its fine to use johnny's gun?

Or wear his pants?

And drive his car?

Im sure david would be happy to see somebody rocking his jacket while shooting arasaka

[devout grail]

Johnny gave consent

like literally he wanted V to have his stuff

[chrome vortex]

For his car yeah i don't think he ever said "oh v btw go wear my pants"

And you loot clothes and guns off people all the time

I've worn the maelstrom jackets a few times after killing them

[devout grail]

so.. you clearly have no problems wearing a dead teenage boy's jacket because it's cool

my CorpoV certainly does... she was still in Arasaka when he died. There's a line for her

[chrome vortex]

Bruh if i died as a teenager and somebody wore my jacket and i like saw it as a ghost i'd be flattered

Go ahead

[devout grail]

and there's a deconstruct button anyway

[chrome vortex]

At least its seeing good use

[queen mural]

Press in a little tighter, and game over!

Time to move on

[feral leaf]

missed opportunity

[queen mural]

don't forget - V's greatest weakness is a cutscene.

[queen mural]

That's the plan.

[sand crow]

wait you can free brick?

bro i thought he was killed since before the story

how did i only figure this out after 8 playthroughs ;-;

[queen mural]

Did you not see him in Allfoods 😮 ... how could you miss that?

[low mason]

For real

• prologue and endings too

[rough nacelle]

Specially because he calls out for you...

[edgy walrus]

Only if you get close to the door. Gonna be honest, i didn't notice the guy on my first few playthroughs either😭

[rough nacelle]

I did see him because loot goblin. Except i detonated by mistake

So i had to fight totentanz

[edgy walrus]

Lmao. I can see why since for some reason detonate is the top choice. I just ran through it guns blazing so didn't notice him until i heard he could be saved

[feral leaf]

I detonated on my first two runs because I don't care about maelstromers at all

but then the totentanz encounter is something I would like to skip

sometimes

so I just decided whether I wanted to skip that possible fight later on (or not) to made the decision to save him or not

I suppose if you didn't detonate it but you didn't free him either he'll probably be killed by militech personnels when they head in

[sand crow]

never saw him

i usually go round the left side

so i never went pass the rooms

[queen mural]

Eight times 🤦‍♂️

[sand crow]

yeah ;-;

doin the heist rn

[drifting gulch]

nothing made me lock tf in more than gate K9

that music is PEAK 🗣️

[livid valley]

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