Idet resetting on PR really requires much if any skill at all but I swear I can break any of them and never get reset
#pvp
cyan quail
It's like they forget that's what they're supposed to do
After the ledge thing you're just camping the air if they approach you
Charge up MP and curiosity to save ur partner
cyan quail
After the ledge thing you're just camping the air if they approach you
Which will in turn get people to aggro on u and make them do this
abstract yacht
PR is mid....
if you are proactive.
her stuffs are "eh aight.." to be actually trying to face offs against smn directly
being passive however she is horribly disgusting.
cyan quail
The more you draw aggro the more menacing you really are
mystic elbow
He was doing 1s btw
abstract yacht
like if u wanna go all in and the likes like chars like chung laby and such
you wont do much
cyan quail
The one thing she's lacking is like tools to play aggro or monkey
Which I noticed Mishani does a lot
abstract yacht
to me PR is the definition of cowardice
oblique sundial
mishani does in fact run in a lot
cyan quail
There's no incentive for her to play aggro plus her neutral is built around that
abstract yacht
Im not saying u are meant to.
Im saying to him that if he is playing that way
then he will in fact be mid.
cuz PR sucks at that
oblique sundial
i mean if youre playing a character wrong and then saying the character sucks
idk man
thats just a skill issue
mystic elbow
I mean its only been like 5 days now? I dont think a judgement that makes sense can b made in 5 days
Maybe ess
Less
cyan quail
Also I noticed he mentioned rolling for aspd for her vkey... That's one of the most mid effects
The one he should be aiming for is MP recovery when using skills
That buff is insanely broken
abstract yacht
like Im just taking into account that is skwl who is saying so.
cuz from what Ive been gathering
at least from the tjme that I have to check this ch
the recent ppl who have been appearing here in this ch seem more lenient to 2014 type of gameplay where u actually dared go face to face with ppl save for few classes
mystic elbow
How much mp is it
cyan quail
Paired w something like defense when awakening or attack when using mc, which you shouldn't roll for alone but are nice second buffs
mystic elbow
Per skill
abstract yacht
so Im just
taking a guess
that if he says PR is mid
is likely cuz of personal playstyle.
cyan quail
How much mp is it
It's a percent of ur max mp
Which as u can assume goes wild with DeM
cyan quail
It's 1%
Which definitely adds up over time
Even tho NF change definitely hit her like man
If she was God tier before she's just 1 tier below now
Still a pt dam good character
stable nymph
if u wanna ape go laby ig
mystic elbow
oblique sundial
i mean whos the god tier rn if pr isnt in it
cyan quail
CS if he has 12 SoA
cyan quail
Even as 11 VoS with meta everything else I'm still better off not interacting bc of the feed on CS
I need KR gear
There r so many better characters better at going aggro
oblique sundial
cata :^)
mystic elbow
Ngl I feel like the Rose’s need to be heavily looked at
oblique sundial
they do
cyan quail
Rather than aggro shes more calculating with SDK into burst
mystic elbow
As in their tiers
oblique sundial
op isnt as brain off anymore because drain builds but hte other ones
lol
getting away with murder
mystic elbow
I think PO just has a lack of actual representation
stable nymph
i think if ur limiting 2 11 vos cu feels pretty high tier + ape
cyan quail
Actually maybe TW is the one that plays aggro the most decently
But then you need gear to actually kill people with the high KD she has
stable nymph
playing aggro while at gear disadvantage is usually prety scuffed regardless
cyan quail
I mean its only been like 5 days now? I dont think a judgement that makes sense ...
Yeah for reference it took me 1-2 months to understand AV's kit and role in the game and still can't pin down which skill to stack since both fill in niches
And I've got SoA before changes in that time
stable nymph
mish plays more games in 5 days than most ppl play in like 5 weeks
cyan quail
While that might be true u still need days to reset ur mental and try different stuff, different options etc
stable nymph
but maybe rapid fire games w.o time in between 2 reset mental and stuff ya u said it LOL
mystic elbow
I think it took 3 months to get a handle on MtM?
Given i never played Aisha before that
oblique sundial
i think even with good rep po would still be pretty mid
cyan quail
She's pretty up there actually
stable nymph
aisha loox so cool
mystic elbow
I think she has good buttons tbh
oblique sundial
discord i sent that message 10 minutes ago
mystic elbow
💀💀💀💀
stable nymph
where is the aisha rep...
mystic elbow
Its giving lagger
oblique sundial
i have gigabit fiber smh
mystic elbow
Uh well Aisha got nerfed n they all disappeared
cyan quail
Zal aka Noedia
mystic elbow
And if they didnt disappear theyre Oz or Mtm
stable nymph
magicalgirl aisha isnt a real aisha
cyan quail
He name changed to Vais I think
stable nymph
we only respect em + vp here :/
cyan quail
Vaia
mystic elbow
Correct cuz mtm doesnt even have aisha’s personality
Shes quite literally not aisha
stable nymph
azoth has an earlier class that made her look like that purpl haired anime gril
but then she turned in2 not that anime girl
and i was forever disapointd
mystic elbow
If LA wasnt boring id b playing her tbh
cyan quail
Tbh rn if people ask me about AVs placement in a tierlist idk how much I'd attribute to her as a character, how much of a benefit of a doubt I'd give to my opponents for not knowing the char and then how much it's actually just me as a player
So when ppl rate her lowest or higher tier it just seems off to me
cyan quail
Took me the longest time to realize base Lithia neutral is not that bad and in fact very much useable
Just her midair one is just better
mystic elbow
The linger on it is crazy
oblique sundial
LA is a cool concept but damn she's just base aisha
stable nymph
community is 2 small + gear 2 varied + pilot ability/experience 2 inconsistent to have a djist of class tiers unless class does something blatantly offensive like release laby imo
mystic elbow
Makes me wonder y they even nerfed Surya ver
mystic elbow
Community is never gonna agri on a tierlist
Its like asking world leaders what human rights are
stable nymph
no i think we can all agree my class is always the worst and only wins bc i am the greatest player to have touched the game
and ur class is broken + anyone can win on it
oblique sundial
If we put it up to a vote laby downplayers would get her down to b tier somehow
cyan quail
community is 2 small + gear 2 varied + pilot ability/experience 2 inconsistent t...
Yeah the only reference I have r like the 2 other people that played in the 1s AV tournament and then someone who's 18k more attack than me but not that great at AV
mystic elbow
no i think we can all agree my class is always the worst and only wins bc i am t...
Ok Tightpanties
😭
oblique sundial
does 60k normals guys I need a better nuke...
oblique sundial
(Get the funny notepad file)
mystic elbow
I honestly should
stable nymph
my personal thoughts r just i find it annoying but not scary when i c her on the enemy team + i dislike having her on my team
stable nymph
or at least it has been trending that way as i get 2 c her more often
mystic elbow
Theyre S rank in 2024
cyan quail
Sparr takes r funny just because u already expect to find wild stuff there
Just for fun
stable nymph
compared to like 4th path luciel she doesnt rly seem 2 hurt much
miracle is nice but not as good as blanket
cyan quail
or at least it has been trending that way as i get 2 c her more often
I noticed very recently that she doesn't really want to play back as a support
Like she can but it's not ideal
She mostly wants to go in and Frontline bc everything on her tool that's worth respecting costs a lot of mp
stable nymph
if i had avoid as teammates slots and saw teammate av running at enemy team at match start i'd insta avoid LOL
empty ore
I think PO just has a lack of actual representation
There were some really good players back in the day. But sadly they all died off
cyan quail
Idk if it's a preference in play style but the char is not built to do certain stuff
empty ore
She was one of the glitchiest characters next to luciel
cyan quail
She's good for stoic trading and baiting but not full on aggro
empty ore
so funny
stable nymph
some of the first games i played after coming bak were with like
another cu on my team
and i think it really shaped my view of how 2s shud b played
bc i'd try to play more carefully and they wud just yeet themselves in
and as a result win or lose they wud end up hitting enough mp 2 get going first
at which point between opponents having resources and my partner delaying left n right i found it basically impossible to play the game i wanted 2 play
and that more or led 2 my current understanding that whoever builds the more dangerous snoball shud just yeet themselves into the opponent that does the least with their resources
& partner should just chill and b there to make sure that the person building resources early actually gets 2 push their buttons aka prevent nasty setplay nonsense
tbh i think 1 of the worst things balance wise in 2s is that
u usually dont get double mp
for hitting 2 ppl
like if u r comboing 2 ppl at the same time u shud b rewarded for it
but instead u r punished because both the ppl u r hitting are getting normal mp/hit
so after ur combo maybe u've gotten 100mp but both opponents also have 100mp and ur partner still has 0
abstract yacht
but instead u r punished because both the ppl u r hitting are getting normal mp/...
only if you're using a melee attacks
cuz of hitting them in the same frame, kog did not see that through-
projectile chars like MN, DyB, FP get the advantage for hitting both at different frames so they very much get the MP for both opponents being hit
Ara also kind of get some benefit, to some degree
since her ZZZ thrusts forward, travelling from point A to B rather than hit a whole area instantly
but then again, she has X>X>X>X>X or ^X spam which is a lot more viable
sinful anvil
Idet resetting on PR really requires much if any skill at all but I swear I can ...
vods r thjere bro i broke that dog ara itr still didnt matter IM OVER IT
sinful anvil
I mean its only been like 5 days now? I dont think a judgement that makes sense ...
i play her since friday butr all im satyin
pr can 100% ape
in neutral
and play the same passive aggressive style that all the other renas like 2 play
it just
DOESNT
MATTER
BRO
WHALE OR DITCH CHARACTER
oblique sundial
aight yeh so hp is definitely a lie i can now confirm it thank god
empty ore
@kindred frost I swear that Aisha lags.
stable nymph
passive agresiv elsord charactrs LOL
empty ore
SHHHHH PA
stable nymph
as per my previous email...
empty ore
Thats what i hear when hes casting defib
stable nymph
r u about to send urself 2 the shadow realm mish
sinful anvil
any1 remember when the in-game story dialogue had the characters say the word a*ssas-sin and it would show up censored in the word bubble lOL
like there would just be hearts in the middle of the story dialogue 💀
sinful anvil
r u about to send urself 2 the shadow realm mish
i hope not
but i think ppl gettign blown back for abbreivating tac field is mad funny LOL
perosnally idm meee6 bcs ive been meaning to clean up my typing for a while anyways and as some1 whose been forum banned 99999x for "censor bypass" ok id much rather leave it to mee6 and a 30min mute then have a moderator chasing me around wrakcing up infractions for swearing
stable nymph
it makes me feel rly old that im upset w little kids who are now probably in their 20s 4 turning my preferred way of typing thought in2 a derogatory term 4 ur mom lol 🔥
sinful anvil
but the mi mi mi vdo thing is weird unless he meant the roll up the grass song towards the end????
stable nymph
o i forgot about that part LOL
my favorite parts r just from first match on hope bridge
and then by anime mashup my attention span starts 2 wane & i pce out
1:30 is so cool
sinful anvil
is sexy even a censored word
twin pawn
no
sinful anvil
ya im p sure it shows up
in-game oto
but thats crazy tho
LOL
it was safety
who told me to use that song
bc
i asked
dfor song recommendations
sinful anvil
cuz i didnt know what to use i was all out
twin pawn
https://tenor.com/view/cat-flashbang-gif-25002731
die
sinful anvil
and safety said 'u gotta use this 1...'
LOL
but ur right tho it is weird sicne ive posted that video on the forums with no problems before
HOWEVER
I did have to make a 'forum version' of the add beatdown video
that just uses the instrumental
of the first song in the vid
bc's it kept getting taken down by mods LOL
sinful anvil
which 1
ngl t ho i feel like i lrnd swears form the in-game censor that i didnt even kno were a thing...
twin pawn
die
sinful anvil
like i remember 16 yo me was all hyped when 1 of AppleTree guildies won the costume accessory design contest
her accessory piece was called the "Royal Muffler" 💀
p. sure it's still in the item mall too
celest ore
oh so thats what that is
yeah deserved win its a cool acc
i feel like i have one but idk
celest ore
💀
sinful anvil
it was such a flex bak in the day bc they gave her like 6 or 7 copies of the item
and to give 2 friends and she sent htem all to guildies
and kirbyblader wanted one rly bad
so everyy1 would pose around kirbyblader w/ the royal muffler...
im surprised the mana eater backpack isnt in the wardrobe
dam
celest ore
im acc designed by na player
not in magic wardrobe
let me guess
its from pre acquisition days
sinful anvil
>im acc designed by na player
>not in magic wardrobe
rightttt
celest ore
knew it
sinful anvil
you mean when it was still kill3rcombo right??
celest ore
yeah
celest ore
LOL
sinful anvil
i wonder if that has anything to do with it...
all of those items are from pre-acquisition
mana eater backpackk included
ALTHO
twin pawn
idts bc trumb bunny B isnt in im either
sinful anvil
mana mint bubblegum is also pre-acquisition isnt it
twin pawn
neither is gothic punk from ages ago
sinful anvil
tfw mana mint used to be a temporary item
twin pawn
we have a lot of things even from kog days that arent in wardrobe
twin pawn
bc we got wardrobe like years after kr did
sinful anvil
we have a lot of things even from kog days that arent in wardrobe
yeah
BTWE
UPVOTE MY BLACK DRAGON THREAD PLZZ
🙏
celest ore
i wonder if that has anything to do with it...
you'd be a lot more familiar with that time than me my brain wasnt done developing when kill3rcombo still ran elsword
but i've had a theory that their acquisition by kog has made them feel a little more distant than average
sinful anvil
for sure 100%
celest ore
at least in terms of like
celest ore
na specific interaction goes
sinful anvil
some of these GM's
have been around wayyyy longer than i thought
like i think some of the gm's
were also GM's in grandchase
b4 elsword
LOL
at least i think
not 100%
celest ore
oh wow
sinful anvil
positive
celest ore
well i guess i can't be too surprised i guess
sinful anvil
but yeah i remmeber when i was in hs i thought the GM's were rly cool n chill especially GM skillz
i saw
GM crow
in feita dungeon party area
early on
celest ore
i rarely see gms in game these days i feel 😭
sinful anvil
with AD + ss combo
on a GA
and it hougth that haws 2 b the coolest set in teh game...
celest ore
i mean not like it was ever common to see them in game but now its like almost never
sinful anvil
i mean not like it was ever common to see them in game but now its like almost n...
NAH TBH THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD
where
the GM's had rooms up in sparring
a LOT
celest ore
that sounds fun lmao
sinful anvil
it wasnt the GM's we all knew from like the vids and annoucnemtns and stuff either it was like
GM Othello is 1 i remember a lot
and then
you'd always see
like FateNDestin, ryan, etc
celest ore
gms are cool i respect them but i wanna meet ALL the gms
sinful anvil
all in the rooms bro
celest ore
like i wanna see kog na's janitor in game
sinful anvil
the CLOUT GOBLINS
sinful anvil
gms are cool i respect them but i wanna meet ALL the gms
I think the ones makign rooms in sparring were also
the ones you'd see respodning to ur tickets s ometimes
in cs
iirc
celest ore
oh yeah that makes sense
sinful anvil
and they'd be chatting
celest ore
how many of them are still around do you reckon? i haven't sent a ticket in a long time
sinful anvil
NAH BUT
this is my like
my 2nd "Liked" video on main utube account
like ever
LOL
sinful anvil
how many of them are still around do you reckon? i haven't sent a ticket in a lo...
im not sure i think a lot of them quit
but they were aroun d for a LONG time some of them
celest ore
https://youtu.be/_1xnoua4LHM?si=182UG1IhvK558I0R
peak content
sinful anvil
ikr
bro GM Skilz
skillz
had bullet for my valentine instrumentals playing during the winter 2v2 tournament too i wa sliek okk
celest ore
💀
remember folks, krmmos being run by a local publisher is often actually a good thing for said locals
sinful anvil
in retrospect ya
celest ore
i mean i say it a lot but it has pros and cons of course
our updates are only 3 weeks behind now because of how linked to kr we are at this point
but i think i'd rather have the alternative maybe idk
sinful anvil
oh yeah true
is that actually hwy
i feel like
even after the acquisition
we were still like 6 months behind a lot of the time
it happened in 2013 rightt
celest ore
yeah they tried to speed up the updates on most things but some things are still behind as much as they've always been, like ibs
someone correct me if i'm wrong but eu actually gets its fair share of little exclusive events and bonuses and stuff
and gameforge isn't even known for being good
being run by an entirely different publisher than the og dev is 💯
sinful anvil
yeah i could c that
ngl ic ant tell like
i might just b biased because that's when i first started playing els
and was also in HS like it might also have been just the timing w/ me being impressd and also rly in2 elsord idk
cuz tbf
i remember like GM Rush doing Rush Ain Roulette and all that at some points in the past 2
and id wasnt rly as involved w/ teh game at the time b ut the ppl that were seemdd 2 enjoy those a lot
wait was elympics a kill3rcombo thing
celest ore
no clue
celest ore
i might just b biased because that's when i first started playing els
yeah i always try to keep this in mind but i also compare to other games
like krmmos are krmmos but they’re not usually as nearly 1:1 to the kr version as elsword na is
lilac merlin
This close 2 ranking up got back 2 back matches with CS 😔
twin pawn
yeah they tried to speed up the updates on most things but some things are still...
we sped up during ara add elly 3rds
but also eu has happy hour but at the cost of being literally half a year behind at all times
celest ore
yeah its definitely a pros and cons thing
sinful anvil
passive agresiv elsord charactrs LOL
rena has always had passiv aggressive playstyle..
brh
els aspiration
needs to be removed
or changed ot not be rng
or osmethinig
1 of the single
shell surge
Agree
sinful anvil
1 of the single most absurd "y-does-it-exist" skills in the game rn
like
literally wh y
it's the 2024 equivalent
of having an item spawn in pvp
LOL
celest ore
its a subtle gameplay callback to the fact the boss it drops from will absolutely body you in henir
stable nymph
twin pawn
i love the add telefrag
ill destroy you with my mind
sinful anvil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=404tZXG3uCU&
felt
oblique sundial
now he just does that in arena
stable nymph
interestingly enough this is also what cu does in arena as well
gilded slate
we have a lot of things even from kog days that arent in wardrobe
Never forget when MW first came to NA we werent allowed to register IBs.
oblique sundial
1s is never gonna be good again
Is it
Like it'll just be the degen game mode forever
Down back game mode
marsh plume
1s being good is/was always subjective (only the one who plays the better char thinks it's good)
play a godtier enjoy the game
vale quartz
got back into the game again and got into the pvp trap huhu
celest ore
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841386143895126046/1289054148213477427/be...
bro pulled it out his inventory
kindred frost
<@972530320521969735> I swear that Aisha lags.
I forgot who but probably
I made that star rank DoM mad at me last night
I was pvping on the green again
They were like “you are such dog crap” I was just like “lmao sorry man”
empty ore
Never apologize
kindred frost
I really was messing up tho 😭
Ngl it was kind of a
Non chalant apology I really didn’t care I was in snoop dog mode
It’s so funny when you be high and then like a high rank gets so mad and you’re just like 
inland swallow
joe biden
mystic elbow
i play her since friday butr all im satyin
Gods thats even worse than 5 days 😭😭😭
cyan quail
I was pvping on the green again
It's all fun and games until you are unable to tell ur teammate or team score apart
I can sort of understand his overall feeling since it is incredibly frustrating but he takes it up a few notches too far
There are definitely times in matches where you can't really control what's going on and it's w.e, you learn to deal with it but when it's your teammate not being able to take rational decisions it just hits different
Most of the time you try to go back on what you could've done different, but when it all comes circling down to ur teammate it's yeahhh
cyan quail
vods r thjere bro i broke that dog ara itr still didnt matter IM OVER IT
Bro logs are there I won w PR on the last EOTY 2v2 tourney
That's not an excuse you're just playing her suboptimal
It's not inherently because of the character
cyan quail
WHALE OR DITCH CHARACTER
11 vos is more than enough to be able to get through her game plan, which is ledge stalling, crowd controlling, saving and forcing breaks
Nuking is nice but the opportunities you get for it on PR are significantly less than any of the other things she does
If you felt like you were getting damage gapped you should've been able to force breaks or get people on ledges where it forces them to break twice or tank until death
The only thing you can't control are escape skill reversals, but you can still play around them
Like Ara's is almost uncontestable but also gets meatied if they press the short version
So if you know they're tanking u on purpose just press chatter and then they're forced to break
If u do it on a ledge then you break their whole gameplan
PR did get affected by the NF change but it's still a pretty demonic character
Plus if anything I think she got the best deal out of the Renas because of reawakening and how easily she can get beads
kindred frost
It's all fun and games until you are unable to tell ur teammate or team score ap...
That happened to me. I thought we were winning but we were actually like 1 - 3
I can’t blame him for getting mad at me either, that is my consequence I take for choosing to PvP like that’s sometimes I feel like I do things better though when I’m in the state. When I’m normal I feel like I become anxious and over think things
sinful anvil
Bro logs are there I won w PR on the last EOTY 2v2 tourney
u mean the 1 where u were team w/ ssllg +15 genesis??? that 1????
i did in fact break her multiple times in a row in a few of those games
and so she ^X'd 50% of my hp away and killed me
LOL
sinful anvil
So if you know they're tanking u on purpose just press chatter and then they're ...
yep i did this multiple times
again
she ogt up
awakened
and ^X chunked my hp to 0
but cook up
lOL
twin pawn
curiosity my bff
cyan quail
u mean the 1 where u were team w/ ssllg +15 genesis??? that 1????
The one in sparr settings and I was the only one with +9 duelist and +10 void weapon....? 😭
cyan quail
and so she ^X'd 50% of my hp away and killed me
Is this in 1s or what
Bc as much as she can oneshot u and the games over
twin pawn
iirc most of our tourneys are spar stuff/free stuff now anyway
cyan quail
You can ledge stall her and it's over
It's why 1s is such a flawed mode rn, especially when taking into accounts elboy and Ara escape skills
cyan quail
~~iirc most of our tourneys are spar stuff/free stuff now anyway~~
The last few tourneys have been full gear which ATP is a lot healthier for the game given how some classes actually require gear to even function
sinful anvil
(pr)
twin pawn
also what ara was it
cyan quail
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say Shakti and specifically Symphony
twin pawn
hm
sinful anvil
The one in sparr settings and I was the only one with +9 duelist and +10 void we...
who need gear when u have ssllg damage carry they used 2 pay him 2 do it iiwii
no it was apsara
cyan quail
Insane
twin pawn
were u trying to play hella aggressive or something
cyan quail
who need gear when u have ssllg damage carry they used 2 pay him 2 do it iiwii
What damage
It was VOID WEAPON SETTINGS
😭
twin pawn
every ara who isnt devi basically needs to bumrush you and on PR you can bait them incredibly easily
cyan quail
😭 😭 😭
sinful anvil
i was trying to play hella vs +12 ara and losing byh default
sinful anvil
my chatter doesnte ven do damage like that but she was still breaking all of them whi chi si like 
ok whatever sure
so i just started letting it rip
cyan quail
I've seen John kill people by just pressing two tenacities altho he's probably stacking it
sinful anvil
john stacks chatter
cyan quail
Shred is just that good when you have it on command
sinful anvil
but he hqas 10k atk on me
the shred by uitself
is not crazy
you need to pair it
drum rol
roll
with ice queen
or another defense debuff
for it to be good
cyan quail
Not really
cyan quail
It's nice if you have a setup slot for it
But there's plenty of other options you can be using
sinful anvil
if you go out of your way to apply a singular 12.5% def debuff its kind of troll
cyan quail
That defense shred is what allows her to do respectable damage with →→↑xzzz
You don't need to go that out of ur way
Given how listen, pour down and legato can help you w catches
And help with ledge stalling as a plus
More often than not I'd get cheesy catches w Legato and then just press Listen mid combo
sinful anvil
^xzz is only worth it if you want to maximize your mp advantage over opp or carry them to a ledge, otherwise you're better off with xx
cyan quail
PRs main purpose is to force break
sinful anvil
the damage on the first two x's idk why it's so high butit's extremely hard
to contend with
xx
xx twice and uve basikly matched your >>^xzz damage unless u hit all 3 >>^xz shots
cyan quail
It's the other way around, you should prioritize →→XZZZ whenever you can since a ton more gain, becomes an infinite after stalling with ink and forces people on ledges
sinful anvil
if u hit all 3 then its xx twice + x
cyan quail
Only scenarios u want to XX over it is when ur hitting 2 people or are being wary of timestops
cyan quail
XX is nowhere near as worth after taking into account MP gain, KD ratio and ledge positioning
You're going to have to Ink at the same rate in order to reduce the KD
cyan quail
Oh absolutely
But →→XZZ is almost always worth it over XX anyway
It's just an added bonus that it chunks an extra amount
After debuff
sinful anvil
that's not true if you're talking damage, you don't >>^xzz for the sake of better damage. You >>^xzz if you want to go more positive over your opp than you would with xx, mainly because of the last launch hit
cyan quail
Only scenarios u want to XX over it is when ur hitting 2 people or are being war...
Like these r the only scenarios u want to XX instead, without counting when ur ledge stalling ofc
sinful anvil
you >>^xzz for ledge carry and for that mp advantage, the damage is w/e bc you can eaisly match it with xx
especially if your >>^xz doesnt consistently triple hit
or if you occasionally whiff first >>^x arrow
and a solo 12.5% def debuff is trolling it needs to be paired with something. If not ice queen then black mass, ascending dragon or w/e idk but another def decrease
im p sure water counts as piercing so its not same
against most players with gear, that def debuff is getting you like 6% more dmg
somewhere around there
cyan quail
So doing the math I'm seeing 1363% magic damage on →→↑XZZZ vs 556% for XX and that's per loop
sinful anvil
yes,
cyan quail
I think ik which ones doing more damage 😔
sinful anvil
ok dude
cyan quail
and a solo 12.5% def debuff is trolling it needs to be paired with *something*. ...
Doesn't necessarily need to be paired btw, it's always a nice bonus but not a requirement
You're still going to be doing damage
You can always get set effects that are going to be as good if not better value
cyan quail
So doing the math I'm seeing 1363% magic damage on →→↑XZZZ vs 556% for XX and th...
Especially with how high paced 2s matches go and how important it is to rack up resources fast and get a lead to start snowballing, you most definitely want to go for the one that's doing the most damage, giving you the most MP and has about the same KD
It's such a no brainer
sinful anvil
the first >>^x arrow itself is like 280% damage or something, and you don't always land it when you do >>^xzz. You also don't always land all 3 orb shots from >>^x(Z), often times you'll only hit 2.
cyan quail
Like I said the only exception is when ur arrowing two people
sinful anvil
landing every single hit is rly inconsistent, but even if yuo did land every single one
cyan quail
It doesn't even matter if ur not landing all hits, at the end of the day the MP gain nodiffs regular XX
Unless again ur arrowing 2 targets
It's not even a contest
Neither for damage nor for MP gain
Like all of these flaws and issues you're describing i've already seen them, tested them and found the solution ages ago
Also even when ur arrowing 2 people
If you really want MP and just MP
sinful anvil
in the amount of time it takes you to do one >>^xzz, you can xx 2-3 times for comparable damage and throw in a sticky ink. Your xx will be more consistent and reliable if you're talking damage. If you're talking mp, you will still be plus for MP, you just wont be as plus as you are from >>^xzz.
cyan quail
You can go XZZZ and get insane amounts of MP
With a lingering hitbox that will come out if you get interrupted in the middle of it
It has its niche uses but i've been able to get some cheesy meaties on escape skills every now and then
sinful anvil
^xzz does get you better mp advantage over your opponent because of the launcher giving you 24 mp on hit.
cyan quail
I think I even got one on the random 2s tourney
It doesn't always default to XX even tho it's the most reliable for sure
sinful anvil
and that is a perfectly fine reason to go for >>^xzz, as well as for ledge positionining so that you can go for rest with xx. But saying that the 12.5% defense debuff is what makes >>^xzz worth over xx makes no sense
cyan quail
The char has multiple commands she can use depending on the situation
sinful anvil
what in neutral?
sinful anvil
xzz if you dont mind feeding the person you're comboing 4 life
you go negative off of xzz without fire or plague
cyan quail
There are MUs you absolutely want to get more MP
Like vs Cent or Oz for example
I don't advocate for solo XZZ, but the MP gain doubles when ur hitting 2 people
Which makes it worth it in those very niche situations
Like sure they'll have 150/200 MP but you also literally have 400 MP
sinful anvil
wel if its 2s idk if hititng 2 ppl w/ xzz is niche the thign is huge.... but in 1v1 i dopnt ever c a reason to xzz loop someone for the majority ofg a combo, maybe near the end if you think you can cathc an escape skill with it but that thing accumulating mp advantage for opp...
cyan quail
I'd probably XZZ an Ara that's playing around her escape skill for reversal
But that's about it really
Any other scenario I don't see it being worth in 1s
cyan quail
Outside of trying to be cheesy with XZZZ lingering hitbox
Because if you turn around mid combo
The last orb will appear on the side ur facing
A few frames after
stable nymph
wat time pressure r u under if ur comboing both ppl tho… id understand blasting one person so u can have resources to prevent saves or force breaks before save but if u r under no pressure bc u have both ppl imo any more efficient double mp gain combo wud b preferabl
cyan quail
Escape skills
stable nymph
if u put both ppl at 200 unless u can get rid of it rly fast u r probably going to take ur partner out of the game
cyan quail
As soon as one escapes or manabreaks the pressure's immediately on u to do something about it, either readjust by giving up a combo or pressing a special active or u give it up
That's where it becomes niche
Bc sometimes ur partner isn't even part of the equation
Sometimes it's more important for you to have MP to snowball and set up ur partner than letting them combo along w u
And frankly speaking
Some people aren't worth supporting 😭
I'd rather them tank and die 3 times and pop off on their last
stable nymph
ya i get that LOL
lilac merlin
i was trying to play hella vs +12 ara and losing byh default
Symphony plays aggressively so you need to let her come to you, don’t run directly at them
That’s the trick with PR, you kind of have to play passively compared to other Rena classes PvP wise
sinful anvil
bruh
yall
are
talking
i did not win neutrtral vs this dog ara bro like
i am telling u
there were multiple wyas
stable nymph
i had a baby gear session sparring 2s w will on pr doing lots of xz and most noticeabl thing was just that his partner wudnt get to play the game if he xzed too much too early
sinful anvil
i went about
wrapping her up
and all ended with me getting aped
in2 an l
L
LO
LOL
cyan quail
i had a baby gear session sparring 2s w will on pr doing lots of xz and most not...
Yeah it's a very MU dependent thing
stable nymph
u said she normald u for half her hp or something aka did u not save mp to break
or was it literal one hit LOL
sinful anvil
and im nto about to go sweat turbo 4 tht
cyan quail
Ideal PR gameplay is to just sit and charge, Curiosity when partner's in trouble, get aggro on her, catch and ledge stall
Profit
lilac merlin
I need to play PR again I forgot all her skill names 😔
sinful anvil
u said she normald u for half her hp or something aka did u not save mp to break
i used the mp to chatter her iirc bc she wouldnt break
lilac merlin
Sit, use catch up, wait, and rinse and repeat
cyan quail
If she broke were u not resetting or something
cyan quail
I'm struggling to picture how she's getting this MP if ur keeping her in the loop
stable nymph
is curiosity that good or is this rly moreso just that 2v1ing is too ez so ppl have to interact w u
cyan quail
It is that good
I've had Brian purposely try to tank it while he's midair just so I wouldn't Curiosity his partner comboing
It lingers, curves, costs very little MP
And even if you have ironbody/stoic it'll still put the confuse debuff on u
sinful anvil
lowkey, i don't think curiosity is a true lock by itself
cyan quail
Also because you're ideally far enough you'll also not be under anyone's timestop
So if anyone presses a skill
U can just meaty their timestop w Curiosity
cyan quail
lowkey, i don't think curiosity is a true lock by itself
You have to position urself for it
It just takes more getting used to it than actual skill imo
cyan quail
If ur already midair yeah
cyan quail
Idts?
lilac merlin
Yeah sometimes if you’re on a platform you can kind of get out of it, but I’ve noticed it depends on lag and other factors
cyan quail
I don't recall having anyone ever mash their way out of Curiosity
Unless it was some clientsided mash
Like a skill that came out on my screen but they're still in hitstun
sinful anvil
i mashed assault kick out of it when i was locked in it im 90% sure
and if i can do it on AN, or even come anywehre close 2 it, then elesis can def do it...
idk how often ppl actually try tho they usually seem2 just break
LOL
cyan quail
The only one I can picture being fraudulent enough for that is Bluhen
Apart from that I don't recall any scenarios
Unless they were already juggling or it low altituded
sinful anvil
ele should be able to with her lower hit stun she has like 10f on rena eve add elboy
hollow hound
Which classes have the most disrespectful ways to kill oponents?
empty ore
Celestia
If you lose so badly to him that he's at full mp
He can press his hyper and you just have to sit there during the entire duration of it.
heavy spear
which characters have the most disrespectful walk animation
gilded slate
I dont think its necessarily disrespectful cause its quite common, but nuking people in super armor is really funny.
mystic elbow
Elbow w/ mega slash base skill
hollow hound
What about PR?
mystic elbow
Considering how easy that char is I dont think theres anything she could do where i feel disrespected
cyan quail
Which classes have the most disrespectful ways to kill oponents?
Wait to b more exact
sinful anvil
Considering how easy that char is I dont think theres anything she could do wher...
gas…..
man it been crazy bro
twin pawn
her ceiling is high but she is not hard to play
cyan quail
Ye that
twin pawn
like to play well sure
but shes nearly braindead
if you play passive rather than aggressive at all times PR is an incredibly easy character
cyan quail
See I also thought that for the longest time
But then I see none of these PRs resetting
And i'm starting to believe it takes skill
sinful anvil
if you play passive rather than aggressive at all times PR is an incredibly easy...
this is also cap
twin pawn
i think u the only one who thinks PR is hard or something i fear
sinful anvil
but w/e my jc expire tb
cyan quail
But then I see none of these PRs resetting
It's crazy bc i've no other explanation to why they're not doing it without being offensive
mystic elbow
Its ok to be offensive
cyan quail
sinful anvil
idt pr is hard 😂
mystic elbow
Theres aras that think her new esc is bad
Its ok to be offensive.
I say new esc but its pretty much the same thing just not a bug 
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
mystic elbow
Smoked
twin pawn
try again
sinful anvil
but i think em efs way 2 scared of her bro
its been crazy spawning in
and putting fear of god in2 ppl while fumbling around on the char
bro chill its still green 💀
twin pawn
i dont think ppl r necessarily scared of you more like they assume you're a good PR
sinful anvil
then we got ppl like hickeys
twin pawn
which is the difference between bad PRs and good PRs bc youre not scared of a bad PR
sinful anvil
reason y we dont get buffs bro
twin pawn
what does PR need a buff for
sinful anvil
if u want gas pr do it in dms
cyan quail
She needs PvE buffs ngl
twin pawn
i think ur the one downplaying her i fear..
cyan quail
Lyrical Flow being her only damage skill is making me mald
cyan quail
Because pressing that under green hexa tilts me bc it makes her go backwards on each cast
twin pawn
they should nuke AN in pve again god bless
sinful anvil
i hate all pve
mystic elbow
I liked PR supporting in pve
sinful anvil
but if i do pve
twin pawn
prayers down
cyan quail
I tried to jc off PR because she kept going backwards on each skill cast
sinful anvil
id like to do on an…
mystic elbow
Idk how Sage plays her
twin pawn
money
mystic elbow
Besides overwhelming amounts of gear
cyan quail
I might just become a DaB enjoyer
Single press no need to do anything
Do gacha dailies on the side as im dpsing no biggie
twin pawn
doesnt DaB fall off in serp bc of how often she needs to move and repo
sinful anvil
i like PR ngl i kind of dont want 2 jc bak
twin pawn
ik Sharp hates her rn
sinful anvil
LOL
mystic elbow
Yes n her dmg button isnt doing as much as other classes
cyan quail
doesnt DaB fall off in serp bc of how often she needs to move and repo
Yeah something like that
mystic elbow
Even if shes able to just hold it
sinful anvil
just bc its been crazy having options….
mystic elbow
i like PR ngl i kind of dont want 2 jc bak
twin pawn
like dab currently isnt in a good spot bc of being unable to use cdr/cda bc shes got one button gameplay
sinful anvil
look
cyan quail
The only downside is not being able to take someone's life whenever u want unless you've 300 MP and they go in superarmor
sinful anvil
all of ppl. loke to say ‘in theory if u had a way to punish sonic blade then obviously fb wudnt mash it 🤓 “
cyan quail
Like Chatter even tho it does good damage, if you want to survive you just break it and take very little to no damage
mystic elbow
Forever tenebrous
cyan quail
It's forcing breaks but ur not straight up taking someone's life w it alone
sinful anvil
“he only mashing it cuz he kno it safe obvoously 🤓 “
cyan quail
If they want to live they will live
twin pawn
Cant she not use red exa either
uhh idts
sinful anvil
abd they all still mash it braindead and get punished
twin pawn
like it's rlly hard for her to make use of like most of the exa sets bc of how aith works
mystic elbow
Ye i thought so 😭
sinful anvil
It's forcing breaks but ur not straight up taking someone's life w it alone
u. dont beed to 100>0 with how hard she can body in neutral
100-0 is ans crutch
twin pawn
she'd basically have to never press aith until max stacks
sinful anvil
LOL
i dont buy the passive stuff either
u just aggressively space your normals properly and u win she has ape buttons
mystic elbow
Ngl I fought a passive player GS n I dont think i felt genuine anger like that
twin pawn
i think if ur opponent is stupid and youre doing that yeah i think it works
mystic elbow
Til fighting him on garpai and eternal winner
:/
GS perm in the sky or under plat in garpai
Til he inevitably gets iron body bc his normals cost nothing
twin pawn
GS being able to hover with a 360 degree hitbox that hits in foreground and background bc yes
hollow hound
Til fighting him on garpai and eternal winner
Oh, this person was a KE before iirc.
sinful anvil
i wish i had both AN and PR lmao..
mystic elbow
Genuine torture right
Cuz unless youre another godtier or an Aisha u cant do a thing about it
hollow hound
I prefer Elbois bonking me than that thing.
mystic elbow
I dont have garpai banned bc i hate cargo more than garpai
sinful anvil
cargo is gr8
mystic elbow
N blizzard more than garpai but not more than cargo
sinful anvil
bro garpai u can just choose never to come up
shell surge
dab fell off no cap
sinful anvil
from the boost
mystic elbow
My char doesnt benefit anywhere on cargo
sinful anvil
dabs normal damage is insane i am tempted to play her for it
mystic elbow
Only disadvantages on that map
sinful anvil
most straightforward win condition u catch u xx they die
shell surge
playing on curved maps is suffering
sinful anvil
upfront…
sinful anvil
reminds ws
shell surge
spend the whole game running away
sinful anvil
u catch u zz>zz they die
twin pawn
i wish i had both AN and PR lmao..
thats why we make alts
celest ore
i dont think ppl r necessarily scared of you more like they assume you're a good...
tbf when i see mishani in queue my reaction is always like bruh what
how im supposed to beat an og
mystic elbow
Arent u an og
celest ore
true 😭
mystic elbow
It cancels out then no?
mystic elbow
Become delayed RV
celest ore
nah mish is a real og in the trenches i was just chilling
mystic elbow
Mishani cant do anything against that
twin pawn
just win.
celest ore
💀
shell surge
ngl
mystic elbow
I hate that player.
shell surge
that mutantwraith guy is impossible for me to fight on dab
shell surge
tho
sinful anvil
i alrdy jcd
sinful anvil
yeah
celest ore
do you know how powerful laggy rv is
sinful anvil
yes
celest ore
i still never much played her actually, always looked fun though
sinful anvil
hixkeys talkkn u cuda taken the ara 2 the ledfe n reset her 9 times for the W
y im playin pr if i still gotta donall thwt bro
twin pawn
me playing devi so i dont have to interact until I have 180 mp so I can launch infernos for free
just like god intended for me
celest ore
i cant just hop on AN now after years of not playing her
i cant join the bandwagon meme that hard
twin pawn
flop
mystic elbow
Yes u can
celest ore
true 😎
celest ore
intolerably mid char?
celest ore
ah
twin pawn
shes so easy
mystic elbow
I play all Aras like its Shakti
Then it backfires
I love mtm
Stand around to energy ring
u play the ugly one
dusk dock
LOL
twin pawn
well icl i'd rather play shakti than aps anyway
celest ore
ara is somehow the character i've played the least 💀
dusk dock
real
twin pawn
red heads....
celest ore
even played ain more than ara thats crazy
twin pawn
itll always be funny
that Shakti got nuked bc of one person
sdkhjsgdkjs
and they refuse to do anything about any of her changes
mystic elbow
Shes a lost cause atp
twin pawn
she's doomed if she doesnt get a rework soon 😭
mystic elbow
She aint ever getting that 💀
During rework ara in general got a bunch of nothing
Then they basically gutted Surya by nerf and making healers hybrid now she awful in serp
😭
And nerfed tripalm now mod tripalm is just normal tripalm with “mod” slapped on it
rich quail
Pretty much the same story with M.Shadow Blast, too, right?
mystic elbow
Yea
A lot of Aras mods r just the same skill
Mana drain being another one where its the same skill with very minor changes to it
twin pawn
yeah a lot of ara mods need reworks bc after many of the changes theyre literally the same skill with nothing else
bc they nuked mod shadow blast so it does nothing different other than having the mod signifier
warm hornet
i want previous oberon guard back!
twin pawn
Devi has some useful mods overall but mod infernal circle is so garbage
mystic elbow
I dont
SA oberon is so funny in 2s
Yea the Aras with Surya aside have rly bad mods
rich quail
bc they nuked mod shadow blast so it does nothing different other than having th...
And 80% of unmodded's damage.
twin pawn
Aps mod dragon is garb
warm hornet
the big bubble for oberon guard should had been the modded one.
mystic elbow
Id b ok with that
twin pawn
and SU needs better amp now that they nerfed her wishing star to compensate for her being mag/phys
mystic elbow
Better amp n imo they should change normal convert
Cuz SU and CL just dont work out with that
Mod convert just made normal useless
hollow hound
the big bubble for oberon guard should had been the modded one.
Is it me or Oberon Guard is leaky sometimes?
mystic elbow
It is
hollow hound
Okay.
warm hornet
Is it me or Oberon Guard is leaky sometimes?
you can mash out of oberon guard with a dash input to a skill...
wanna test?
so it's best to always have your core ready to catch someone with oberon guard.
if your opponent doesn't know about the mash to skill input, you're mostly ok.
stable nymph
huh why do dash inputs b4 skill change things compared to just raw mashing skill
warm hornet
huh why do dash inputs b4 skill change things compared to just raw mashing skill
because for whatever reason, you'll cancel out the hit stun animation (standing) a little faster if you input a dash.
sinful anvil
because for whatever reason, you'll cancel out the hit stun animation (standing)...
it doesnt have to be a dash, it can be just holdibg a direction (left right or even down iirc, but not sure if it still applies to down since certain changes wwere made)
sinful anvil
stable nymph
?
fiery lionBOT
dekomlev has been warned
cyan quail
dusk dock
lilac merlin
Idk how Sage plays her
TW is actually really fun, and her positioning is a lot more comfy in my experience than AN but sage just has the gearing and 600 erp to not notice all her kinks
mental rose
nah the jc
event
was crazy tho
some things cant be u nseen...
all of these monkey characters throwing armor in my face and aping on me when im on AN
now ik 4 sure
they r just getting away with murder
bc an cant punish like that LOL
dusk dock
its crazy
sinful anvil
would if i coulkd