shouldve recorded it
#pvp
willow mural
celest ore
i like when i get salt on my es
like bruh what could you possibly be mad about
if it was my mn i'd at least understand
kindred frost
shouldve recorded it
I SHOULD HAVE 
kindred frost
i like when i get salt on my es
Are you bol?
heavy spear
i tell bad puns to people that salt whisper me
(not that i get a lot of salt whispers)
kindred frost
The flags are what get me
My personal triggers
I don’t like how emotional I get over this game smh ~_~
celest ore
Are you bol?
nah bol is bol
mystic elbow
@versed knot u hear that?
hollow hound
Get your best white attire! Let's take a picture!
mystic elbow
hmm ok i think i got smth for u
mystic elbow
mystic elbow
versed knot
<@450172668361310208> u hear that?
It be MN eh...
versed knot
Bol was so hard to fight <:sad_cat:873457028981481473>
Hey you did win a few times * ^*b
Ngl I forgot this chat existed
I thought it turned into an instagram channel
kindred frost
I thought it turned into an instagram channel
LMAOO
kindred frost
Hey you did win a few times * ^*b
Ty ty
sinful anvil
nah bro they take 1 L and then the insecurity starts oozing out
sinful anvil
did having fields
in the game
like before they removed a majority of the fields
does it cost kog $$ to keep those areas in the game
like if no 1 was using them
they said htye removed thm cuz ppl hardly use them
but like was it costing them 2 keep them in...
elsord fields were always mad un derappreci8d..
twin pawn
im not sure if it was costing them but it also probably just made the game smaller
if nobody was using them there was also no point in keeping it
same with that one Bethtera dungeon that literally nobody went into
why keep it when you can downsize and nothing of value is lost
from a business standpoint it just made no sense to keep them in the game if nobodys using them
sinful anvil
from a business standpoint it just made no sense to keep them in the game if nob...
small handful of players did use those reas
er small handufl
of
twin pawn
"small handful" of the hundreds of people that play
sinful anvil
"small handful" of the hundreds of people that play
it was more thtan hundreds when they removed them iirc
twin pawn
of those probably thousands who was using fields to do things other than stand in them or afk
like why keep something if literally nobodys using it for its intended purpose
twin pawn
and clearly they didnt want to rework them either hence they got rid of them
hunting field bosses
which are obsolete bc they dont give anything useful
but like regardless y keep something thats just taking up game space
especially if ur not gonna work on it anymore
like maybe when we had quests in fields sure... but we dont anymore
sinful anvil
like maybe when we had quests in fields sure... but we dont anymore
we dont since they removed them*
twin pawn
we stopped getting quests in fields when elysion dropped
far before they actually removed them
which again makes sense if nobodys using them
twin pawn
elysion has fields yeah
sinful anvil
fieldds were the fastest way to level
twin pawn
and you dont use them anymore bc fields are obsolete
sinful anvil
but also
twin pawn
the most anyone uses a field for (elysion) is to go there before they do henir for their speedruns
so you can awk and enter the dungeon without wasting time to awk
sinful anvil
i used field bosses for stam pots and exp medals
(and also crps at 1 point but there r betterr ways 2 get those now)
an drng magic amulet lv 8 LOL
while queuing ofc
twin pawn
all of which you dont need field bosses for anymore
twin pawn
so y keep outdated content
sinful anvil
but also
twin pawn
find 6 ppl in pf and run ereda
sinful anvil
i thought theuy also aadded them for like world-building purposes as well
like sense of immersion and all that
whoever made the field maps, like
twin pawn
with the focus being more on running dungeons the world building comes from the story and actually doing the dungeons
running thru the fields was nice but like they dont give anything useful
sinful anvil
there was clearly a lot of effort and care put in2 them some of them
twin pawn
n since they werent going to revamp the field system it makes sense why theyd get rid of them
i mean thats nice
there was also effort put into other dungeons that got deleted
twin pawn
clearly they just didnt see a need to focus on fields anymore
hence why they got removed
sinful anvil
but
if u not
going to focus on fields anymore
then just don't focus on fields
y delete 🤔
twin pawn
game size
they just take up space
why keep things ur A) not working on
b) nobody is using for anything
C) will end up making the game smaller if you remove it
sinful anvil
they just take up space
is there like a finite amount of space they have 2 work w/
sinful anvil
and fields were occupying a part of that?
sinful anvil
a lot also don't
twin pawn
bc they probably still use those things
y are we keeping things nobody is using
that sounds like a hoarder
sinful anvil
a lot of mmos
especially older ones
have lots of areas that are either no longer used
twin pawn
bc theyre probably tied to something in the code yes?
sinful anvil
or never rly got used all that much in the firwst palce
but they still keep in the game
twin pawn
like they got rid of bethtera bc nobody used it
sinful anvil
if a handful of players r using them
twin pawn
for what
twin pawn
using fields for what
what r u using fields for that u cant get from literally anywhere else in the game
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
to move around and kill sheet in while queueing for matches or dungeons, 2 fiddle around and xplore different aspects of game, 2 apprteciate the the backgrounds or the bgm's
fields are
at the moment
twin pawn
so basically using them for nothing
sinful anvil
you queu efor a match
and while you queue
you can mess around in training mode,
practice ur stuff, warm up or w/e
twin pawn
all 5 people using fields prior to queuing will suffer this loss
sinful anvil
fields are closest thing elsord has 2 that
sinful anvil
so basically using them for nothing
.skwrl. — Today at 3:10 AM
to move around and kill sheet in while queueing for matches or dungeons, 2 fiddle around and xplore different aspects of game, 2 apprteciate the the backgrounds or the bgm's
twin pawn
so again
sinful anvil
this aint nothing
twin pawn
nothing
twin pawn
fields served no purpose other than walking around and doing nothing in
sinful anvil
there handful of us that r bro and we APPRECIATE
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
twin pawn
okay
sinful anvil
some NICE AESS FIELDS
twin pawn
all 10 of you will suffer this loss greatly
sinful anvil
fields served no purpose other than walking around and doing nothing in
ur not doing nothing dude
elsword as a game
the entire game
sinful anvil
is centeredd around navigating the 2-D space with your character 's abilities and movement options
u cant do that in town
but u can do it in fields
twin pawn
unfortunately this game has a heavy pve focus
sinful anvil
and fields were obsolete to the rest of the playerbase
ok but you
twin pawn
so like yeah
sinful anvil
are trying to say that no one used them
twin pawn
bc they didnt
sinful anvil
so may as weell get rid of th em even if
twin pawn
you saying ppl used them for checks notes waiting for a match is not actually using them
bc again there is no purpose to using a field for anything
theres nothing to be gained using a field for exploration when the game has moved past the era of fields and clearly kog thinks the same
there r no quests in fields anymore, field bosses dont drop anything useful and the most people ""used"" them for is to one tap a mob and stand in one place waiting for a match
so y keep them
sinful anvil
you said that no one used them so might as well get rid of them even if there's no real cost to keeping them in the game because it makes the game smaller even though the space devs have to work with apparently isn't finite. I just told you that there are a handful of players who do like to mess around in fields and prefer to do that while they are actively queuing for different game modes, or even just to mess around in when they dont feel like queueing. There are players who prefer to do that rather than just afk in town
twin pawn
if the majority of the playerbase doesnt use a field why are we keeping it
sinful anvil
and
twin pawn
this same logic extends to dungeons and streamlining
why are we keeping things we arent using
sinful anvil
I don't know why you are trying to be intentionally obtuse when I tell you that there are players who do this.
I say there's a handfuil of players who do it
you say
twin pawn
all 10 of them
sinful anvil
"oh aka no one "
there was a lo tmore than 10, it's just that the games overall size is smaller
I have like 4-5 people
twin pawn
do these people feel incredibly slighted that kog removed fields
sinful anvil
on my friendlist rn
twin pawn
what a large sample size
sinful anvil
that i just randomly ran into
while messing aroudn in fields
it's to communicate a concept to you
I randomly run into peeps who are vibing in fields or are "running all the way across the map from left to right" randomly and chat it up. An da lot of players back when the games
population was larger
a lot of players
twin pawn
you say handful and by the time fields actually got removed its been ages since they became obsolete
like they didnt get removed recently
sinful anvil
you say handful and by the time fields actually got removed its been ages since ...
they're no longer used for quests, field bosses or grinds, which was their original primary purpose, yes. But htere are still a decent amount of players who appreciate that content. If that content isn't incurring any sort of cost to the company, then why remove the content? Because we're placing some arbitrary value on "smaller game = better game"? idgi
twin pawn
you cannot actually provide a number of people who still to this day would want to use or have a need for fields
sinful anvil
what
twin pawn
and i never said small game better game. it just takes up less space lmao
sinful anvil
and i never said small game better game. it just takes up less space lmao
this is what your reasoning seems to be implying
twin pawn
like how many people at the moment actually care about fields or using them
sinful anvil
you cannot actually provide a number of people who still to this day would want ...
I've told you I can
personally
twin pawn
how many
sinful anvil
and you're going to go
twin pawn
not personally
in general
among the current number of players who needs fields
bc by the time they actually removed fields people had already used them less and less
sinful anvil
"oh what a great sample size", but the point of sharing that info was 4 the sake of the concept. There are mroe players out there than just the runs I've randomly run into
who like to mess around in fields
they're definitely not hte majority
not by a long shot
twin pawn
4-5 people is not a good enough sample size to necessitate keeping fields
sinful anvil
bu tthey exist,
sinful anvil
4-5 people is not a good enough sample size to necessitate keeping fields
never said 4-5 people, 4-5 is the amount
I
have personally encountered
is probably safe to assume there are more because obviously im not going to randomly
encounter
every single one out htere
how many total?
idk
i obviously odnt have the means to fuqn survey
and check how many there are
twin pawn
okay and by the time we actually got rid of fields maybe like almost 8 years ago people used them incredibly less
sinful anvil
people used them less if there were no quests or grinding incentives in them
twin pawn
because there r... modern ways of running into people in game and kog just does not feel the need to keep fields around
sinful anvil
but people still liked to mess around in fields
twin pawn
less than half of the population is not enough to keep fields in the game idk
if out of 1000 people around 100 of them used fields y are we keeping fields
clearly we dont need them anymore
sinful anvil
why is the default lean towards getting rid of them if there's no cost incurred from keeping them
?
sinful anvil
what does that even mean
twin pawn
games have sizes right
getting rid of fields mean game take up less space on pc
which means less things to load
sinful anvil
i already asked you if the devs have a finite amount of space to work with and fields are occupying a portion of that space
which they would like to free up
you seemd 2 imply that that's not the case
twin pawn
every game has a "size"
which is why many games end up cutting content that they do not use anymore
bc it frees up space on user computers and just means less things to render when actually booting up the game
like if nobodys using fields why are we keeping them if nobody is using them currently as of this day 2024
what of value is lost in the grand scheme of keeping this game afloat
like nothing of value was lost getting rid of fields
sinful anvil
who cares about a couple hundred more megabytes u have to spend downloading some 2014 jpegs for Elsword fields in ur 1+ GB/s download speed bro...
twin pawn
who cares about the 50 people who used fields
sinful anvil
bc it frees up space on user computers and just means less things to render when...
u dont have to render fields
unless ur in fields...
twin pawn
okay mb
sinful anvil
like nothing of value was lost getting rid of fields
if nothing of vlaue was gained
from deleting them
while value was lost
to the handful of ppl who used them
twin pawn
what value was lost
twin pawn
yeah sure to the 50 people who used them
to everyone else its a neutral bc like they were not using them
sinful anvil
yeah sure to the 50 people who used them
vs the 0 people benefiting from their deltion
including company, devs, etc.
0-50= -50 quick maffs homie
twin pawn
what does the company or dev lose from deleting something theyre not using
sinful anvil
what does the company or dev lose from deleting something theyre not using
player satisfaction
sinful anvil
well riddle me this
do u prefer
player satisfaction +1200?
or player satisfaction
+1150?
idkbu but me personally
i prefer 1200
that's just me tho
🤔
twin pawn
the other 50 end up not mattering then dont they
if im still at a net positive then does it matter
lol
sinful anvil
the other 50 end up not mattering then dont they
a -50 is a -50
u could b more positive,
but instead ur investing time n effort that fcould
b better spent
twin pawn
from 50 people i think id care more about the more than 50
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
twin pawn
do u think it took them 85 years to just delete fields or something
like clearly they didnt want to keep them...
twin pawn
i think they can do that and also delete fields
twin pawn
yea so who cares if they deleted them
mental rose
if the +50 ppl who like 2 do fields
twin pawn
most ppl werent using them
mental rose
want to do fields
and ur slightly positive
in favor of keeping them among players
because no one HATES fields
they're just ambivalent
and some players LIKE fields
why delete teh fields
i hav eyet
2 hear an actual
sound
reason
4 deleting them
twin pawn
bc most people are not using them?
twin pawn
like this is a hoarders argument
mental rose
whereas I've given you sound reason for why 2 keep them around
twin pawn
me when the 50 people who played around in fields die off because they got rid of the one altera field they loved
mental rose
like this is a hoarders argument
when it comes to horders, the stuff in their house actually takes up significant space and causes them problems
twin pawn
in the grand scheme of the game if nobody is using something why are we keeping it
mental rose
in the grand scheme of the game if nobody is using something why are we keeping ...
becauee some people are using them
twin pawn
1000 people are ambivalent/do not care
50-100 people care
we get rid of fields
for some reason thats the main thing keeping these ppl in the game
they leave
if they dont actually lose profit from it was it a loss
bc again clearly kog didnt want to keep them
majority of the playerbase barely notices theyre even gone
like what are we keeping these things for if less than half of the playerbase uses them
and if 1-2 people enter a field thats out of use( bc fields can only hold 8 people) we dont have to keep it
bc its... 2 people
"some people use them" and most people dont. so now what
mental rose
bc again clearly kog didnt want to keep them
yep and my original question was why
twin pawn
im sure the people who used them are positively crying and throwing up over losing their favorite field or something
have u considered they just didnt want to
mental rose
like why delete them what makes kog want ot get rid of them
was lookn for some tangible discernable line of reasoning that isn't
twin pawn
looking at data and seeing nobody is in them
mental rose
freeing up a couple jpegs worth of space in the client download
and so far
reason not detected
LOL
twin pawn
like kog gets rid of a lot of things i doubt they thought very hard about whether or not they were gonna get rid of fields
they couldve literally opened whatever data sheet they have and saw 5 people used a field in the past 6 months and decided they werent worth keeping around
like the deletion of fields probably was never that deep to anyone outside of the 10 people who used them and are losing their minds over their removal
mental rose
like the deletion of fields probably was never that deep to anyone outside of th...
no one said it was that deep tho
mental rose
they couldve literally opened whatever data sheet they have and saw 5 people use...
sure,
and what's the impetus for deleting them if they aren't incurring cost
is wati ma sking
twin pawn
they just didnt want to keep them idk dawg
stable nymph
these r such gr8 igns im glad the originals were stolen
twin pawn
book a flight to sokor and ask
mental rose
they just didnt want to keep them idk dawg
ye and im sayin
that seems weird 2 me, and i've literally ssaid b4 like
twin pawn
do they rlly need a reason to want to remove things out of their own game
twin pawn
it may also jsut have to do with them not seeing a point in keeping fields when less and less people are in certain villages
thereby meaning less and less people r in specific fields
for example im p sure velder still has its field
to the left
mental rose
like im genuinely curious, and me personally i liked fields which is why i wonderd about it
mental rose
ye that field
twin pawn
altera bethma and elder afaik dont have their fields
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
LOL
twin pawn
and neither does Lanox have most of its fields
mental rose
where i keep running in2 peeps
twin pawn
im p sure its just they got rid of them bc they wanted to idk 
less ppl in less villages less chances of them going to fields/fields being populated
mental rose
altera and bethma had some the coolest fields
twin pawn
they removed most of the rest areas im p sure for the same reason theres just not enough ppl in these places anyway
mental rose
bethma had that huge ayef cliff that u couildd drop down
onto bridge
and btw
that was also
a rly good spot
for testing height-rlated nonsense
twin pawn
like even now theres maybe 3 people i can think of who actually "use" fields
mental rose
like what happens 2 certian skills when u spend extended time in the air etc LOL
what u mean by use
twin pawn
and theyre just streamers who afk in them while waiting for a match
and dont even actually move
just stand there
mental rose
i legit use lanox and velder for warmup and stuff before and during queuieng for matchs
a lot of the time anyways not all the ti me*
lanox water slide good for dj. Z pract
velder field to the right of clock tower square has those 6+ platforms stacked vertical, great for pract. platforming w/ ^^Z
I also mess around on the sander jump boosting things
on the regular
LOL
twin pawn
i fear ur maybe just an old head
mental rose
what on earth
oddes that have to do
with being an old head LOL
bc i dont like to sit afk in towns???
twin pawn
bc most of the ppl i know just use ft for warmup
mental rose
u cant dod that while queuing gamed
twin pawn
i know
mental rose
the platform stack left of clocktower
ud have to use durahan for that i think if u were to use FT
i have no clue what you'd use in ft
for lanox waterslide
twin pawn
nothing bc i dont think ppl nowadays care that much
twin pawn
since you can oneshot someone with 100 mp actually doing combos that arent old reliable means less and less
twin pawn
idk perhaps kog just didnt keep fields bc everytime they removed a dungeon from an old region they realized they were there and it was always planned
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
GIVE THE FIDGETY MEFS A JUNGLE GYM OR SOMETHING BRO
no 1 want 2 play village simulator..
twin pawn
rough
stable nymph
fidget on market board isntead
sinful anvil
.
thags serial killer energy
ngl not having a resist passive kinda sux
LOL
then again most ppl probly +60 from syhnergy or w/e
coleciton*
cyan quail
Even with maxed out resist ERP most people run double resist artifact rings
Because duelist doesn't grant you attribute ress unlike Rigo
Once you're done w the essentials you can just dump the rest on attack/def
I've over 100 points on that which nets me an extra 400 def
In.sane.
abstract yacht
then why get rid of them if there's no cost
Space.
at least, can be one of the reasons.
stable nymph
ive been dumping points into cdr first which might b a bit sus
cu has -cd off firing cores so cdr on tenacities feels really impactful
y dont more ppl play tb she is god of str8 maps in pve and seems like
absolute cancer in pvp
https://elwiki.net/w/Code:_War_Machine
15% chance to just randomly kill someone bc thx
https://elwiki.net/w/X-1_Extruder
splashing 170mp suction on char with innate 10% mpr (aka this thing costs like 100mp with 35%mpr) and 3mp/s clocking advantage over other chars???
willow mural
y dont more ppl play tb she is god of str8 maps in pve and seems like
bc shes rose probably
cyan quail
Criminally underrated and misrepresented character
Whenever I look at KR streams, no matter the path she's always a menace
Then I see one in my matches 
celest ore
at least, can be one of the reasons.
its more likely some weird statistical expectation of gains like most nonsensical things that happen in the game
seriously lets stop falling for the meme that cp should be balanced for the content that’s literally not even what it’s there for
anyway fields are probably still in the game files at the end of the day anyway
sinful anvil
absolute cancer in pvp
most annoying part about her seems 2 b extruder
feels liek that hting costs 70mp or smth
stable nymph
mish do u not see the mp clock passive
sinful anvil
the way she always seems to have it after she uses it 1ncwe
stable nymph
even if no xtruder that is nonsense LOL
sinful anvil
wwhere
stable nymph
first link
sinful anvil
i havent seen it but i remmeber she has 1
stable nymph
she gets 3mp/s on top of natural regen
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
wdfef
is the 2mp/s her base regen
like
"u now regen 2mp/s
"
or is that in addition to base regen
so tthat passive makwes her 3mp/s
er
stable nymph
in addition to
sinful anvil
3mp/s*
stable nymph
just permanent +3mp/s
sinful anvil
just permanent +3mp/s
ya thats drayz
crazy
thats more mp than rena gets while charging
😂
celest ore
WHAT DOES SPACE MEANNN
file size i imagine
tho like i said they're most likely still in the game
sinful anvil
tho like i said they're most likely still in the game
im sure htey r
those couple of jpegs bro
celest ore
mmos very rarely actually remove content from the client, very rarely, VERY rarely
like
almost never
sinful anvil
make uir download .0001s faster
stable nymph
like over course of 180s match u r getting 540 free mp
meanwhile ur xtruder costs 100mp and probably refunds a fair bit
so is like
???
celest ore
make uir download .0001s faster
removing content and making sure none of that content is actually required elsewhere is a lot more effort than just leaving it in basically
stable nymph
ig the thing about tb might b that she has weak neutral and defensive options maybe
except im sus on that bc
celest ore
but yeah, the sad part is we will never truly know the actual 100% reason behind fields removal, you basically just gotta read between the lines with this company because none of their "stated goals" actually add up
combined with the fact they have no incentive to actually be honest with us
stable nymph
grenade launchr and lancer seem pretty ok
and if one of ur opponents feeds u enough awk to get going u just extruder ppl to death
i think u just run eclipse on this char for the 30s shield bc u dont hit enough to proc swords much and are starved for awk aka very limited downsides
celest ore
isnt that what most people run eclipse for
i feel like the swords feed a bit more than is worth
stable nymph
ya for ppl who use normals the swords r a detriment
but if ur gameplan is clock for spactives and almost never use normals
stable nymph
suddenly the main downside of eclipse is no longer such an issue
celest ore
yeah makes sense
sinful anvil
thoe rose i sually
see people playing
is tb
crayz how we nerfged rena + aisha charging
but leave in characters like tb who can charge while running aroudn full speed
💀
celest ore
i haven't really played tb since her changes but i assume tb is so common right now cause of just
idk probably genuinely broken at something in pve + is a god tier farmer class
stable nymph
i have only seen one rose/tb since coning bak so far and they used plasma shok so kinda seemed like they were playing the game wrong
celest ore
fellas,
sinful anvil
i could stand and cahrge and tb is gfaining mroe mp than me for free
celest ore
im not saying they SHOULD change it but you ever think how it costs mn 10mp to air dash,,,
and laby 0,
sinful anvil
tb the rose ive seen th most of and it alwyas eems like
after thjye extrude one time
tehy always have extruder
for rest of the game
celest ore
free armored air dash okay alright
stable nymph
is whack
celest ore
its totally fine trust
sinful anvil
im not saying they SHOULD change it but you ever think how it costs mn 10mp to a...
yes
i went on mn todya to do pvp weeklies
and i was shocked
i pressed servo nitro
match start
and went to fly axcross the map
i got 1 boost
sinful anvil
adn then "you dont have enough mp"
tef u mean not en ough mp
bro
lOL
ridiciulous
dead cahracter
lOL
character*
dude she can't even charge mp
like rena aisha
she just spawns with with 20mp movement
that she cant use
LOL
celest ore
see i think bol was talking about this before but mn would be a more expressive class in terms of like, the way you see her used in pvp
but minimizing your dashes to save mp to oneshot for pene is just too good of a strategy to not use
so she ends up more boring than could potentially be? idk if im making sense
sinful anvil
mn with 20mp dash is mind bogglingly bad
i cant even begin to wrap my head around the logic behind a change like that
given the current state of the game
LOL
celest ore
yeah, i mean i rarely ever see other mn players in arena at this point but when i do they usually only dash once 😔
sinful anvil
she's unplayable imo
celest ore
cause the first dash is the only free one
sinful anvil
yeah explains a lot
i saw random mns in arena from time to time
like s rank
theyh wah tye were playing makes alot more sense now
LOL
stable nymph
i think multiple free dashes wud b way too annoying…
mystic elbow
DA isnt free
celest ore
theyh wah tye were playing makes alot more sense now
yeah everything about why mn players do the things they do make some sense when you know the reasons 💀
cyan quail
Nah you print MP on MN by whiffing a skill that refunds more than it costs and then you press Penetrating bullet.
Gg ez spits hand shake my hand 🙂
stable nymph
mn dashes r bursty attached to char w ranged air normals
sinful anvil
hope u not talking about kneel sniping...
cyan quail
We printing money just for fun
stable nymph
cannot b comparing that to eve dashes which r literally melee on ground running speed…
sinful anvil
bc the raint even crazy relative to what u spend u get like 30mp iir
c aand thats AFTER u get enough to use the skill in teh first palce
stable nymph
laby antithes r nonsense and deserve to cost mp…
cyan quail
Doesn't change the fact you're still printing MP on a character that doesn't even struggle the slightest to get that initial MP to begin with
sinful anvil
well they dont and DA costs 2mp aka basixkly free
and luciel is free too
but mn just gets her entired character cucked
stable nymph
luciel wat
sinful anvil
LOL
mystic elbow
cyan quail
The projectiles are wild and paired with an instant oneshotting skill it's threatening all around
stable nymph
like one dash mn surely is more of mobile threat than any luciel right LOL
sinful anvil
that char is mid
mystic elbow
MN?
sinful anvil
wsithout nitro motor
cyan quail
Airdashes r like the only thing bad about her
cyan quail
Are u calling MN mid???????
celest ore
laby antithes r nonsense and deserve to cost mp…
oh yeah i dont think mn dashes should be free, but i do think they cost too much if laby as a whole is gonna just exist
cyan quail
I've seen it plenty of times
sinful anvil
after building 300mp to cast the thing
cyan quail
Not just on NA but also KR
sinful anvil
oh yeah i dont think mn dashes should be free, but i do think they cost too much...
idk what they costed before
but sthats what they shud b bro
cyan quail
It has 0 counterplay once they start cycling it out
mystic elbow
i think they were 4mp?
sinful anvil
it has a massive cool down and refunds 30mp
celest ore
i only started playing mn relatively recently like last year i think so i can't say too much on the early history of her nonsensical changes
sinful anvil
i think they were 4mp?
perfect
same neighborhood as DA
let the character use its kit
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
omg
celest ore
💀
stable nymph
ya i think mish way underselling relative str of these dashes
mystic elbow
DA is not doing that
sinful anvil
ok and DA is nuking u long
cyan quail
Like ur forced to just start aping her as soon as she presses it since it's on downtime then, but then she's on some insane advantage with that 180 degrees active and insane hitting on bullets
sinful anvil
w/ moving
cyan quail
Then u break her and it gets even worse
You don't ape her you just get pen bullet's anyway
There's no winning
mystic elbow
like unless DA has literal bravery mana he is not sniping u off screen on repeat.. with a command..
celest ore
penetrating bullet gotta be one of the best skills in the game
and yet sometimes when i wanna have fun i just say "okay im gonna just not use it this match, just pretend it doesnt exist"
mystic elbow
he at least has to be close to u as he's using these dashes
to get any money out of it
sinful anvil
but her net gain is no where near that number
mystic elbow
MN is legit hitting u off screen unless youre widescreen
sinful anvil
its literally like 20 or 30
sinful anvil
MN is legit hitting u off screen unless youre widescreen
idk who isn't playing on widescreen in 2024 tho i thought that's standard
cyan quail
She is still getting MP for free???
sinful anvil
even if u odnt have an ultrawid emonitor u still have to stretch ur res...
mystic elbow
Some ppl can't lol
cyan quail
What exactly are you even trying to prove
mystic elbow
we've tried to get Mona's widescreen to work and it actually is not going to work out
cyan quail
WM and Rosso Force don't even give that much MP to begin with
mystic elbow
and others play on laptop
cyan quail
But they stack and can be pressed multiple times
celest ore
mn is so toxic against people who aren't using widescreen LOL
and you can always tell too
cyan quail
Niel Snipping can be put on trans slot
celest ore
"oh this poor dude is on 16 9 its so over"
mystic elbow
ye cuz ppl move differently on widescreen
cyan quail
Nothing
Can't even stun her since she's in hyperarmor frames iirc
She gets to decide when she's out of it too
Ideally you'd want her to at least be vulnerable but nah
And then we have
Pen Bullet refunding a lot of MP for what it's worth
So she just keeps cycling over and over
sinful anvil
we've tried to get Mona's widescreen to work and it actually is not going to wor...
????
mystic elbow
that char is geniunely egregious on all classes
sinful anvil
u gotta use that 1 program
cyan quail
There's tons of them on KR
mystic elbow
u can show her how then
cyan quail
And all classes are toxic on different levels
celest ore
Pen Bullet refunding a lot of MP for what it's worth
i mean tbf this istrue but rarely ever matters
unless very unfortunate circumstances match is usually over if you press pen 💀
cyan quail
PO got a new oneshot with insane range on top of her Mecha robot casually halfshotting from across the map
Just for fun
sinful anvil
ngl i dont think there's any rose id consider mid
how u even get started on mn with 1 air dash costing all ur match start mp 💀
bro u air dash once
can u even shoto bullet afterwards
mystic elbow
cuz u dont need to air dash
celest ore
how u even get started on mn with 1 air dash costing all ur match start mp 💀
very patiently
sinful anvil
she getting aped by every1
stable nymph
isnt first dash free
celest ore
yeah first dash is free consecutive ones cost
sinful anvil
it is just funny imagining mn running around
and then doing her 1 air dash
and landing
and then pew pew ^x
dont get me wrong musket ^x is great
but like
bruh she had nitro kiting for a reason
LOL
even anemos apes on mn
celest ore
yeah like i said i saw some old mn pvp footage of before pene used to exist, looks fun 💀
also dashes were cheaper which proably helped ofc
sinful anvil
yeah thats what i was thinking when i think mn ubt then i logged on2 her tday and yikes...
mystic elbow
MN is already kinda oppressive for my class who has
very little range options
in neutral
but she's kinda like aisha to me? they nerf smth
then give her smth crazy
celest ore
p much
mystic elbow
Nothing yet
sinful anvil
WHT DID RENA GET
mystic elbow
but legit look at before lol
sinful anvil
IN EXCHANGE FOR CHARGE NERF
celest ore
ngl in the case of rose i always just feel like everything added to her is wildly undertested 💀
partly for "kr doesnt even know rose exists" meme reasons and partly for other reasons
mystic elbow
they nerf her and give her a crazy skill like
dark web
give her lightning shower
buff meditation for no reason
give her lightning bolt change
cyan quail
Impact zone
stable nymph
charging is dum mechanic in 2s where halfway into match when ppl die u just get bunch of free mp
mystic elbow
Ruin change
celest ore
partly for "kr doesnt even know rose exists" meme reasons and partly for other r...
i love mod neil sniping and i hope they never change it but nothing about the way it works tells me "yeah someone very deliberately coded this mechanic to be the way it is"
stable nymph
effectively removing it gives u room to give those chars better more interesting stuff
even if that is poorly executed
cyan quail
I'd say Rena's charging wasn't as inherently as toxic as Aisha's since 1. She didn't charge as much and 2. Didn't have teleport to get away immediately
Aisha definitely deserved to get nerfed but idk why that meant Rena's had to as well
mystic elbow
yea i dont think any1 was worried about Rena charging
unless it was
DyB probably cuz she charged the most
and wind blast was like 120mp(?)
cyan quail
Idt they should have charging mind you, just seems disingenuous to me to go that way about it
celest ore
just 1v1 an aisha in tyrants arena trust me bro you absolutely wont regret 1v1ing an aisha in tyrants arena
mystic elbow
I think its cuz of KR
I can see KR complaining that Rena didn't get nerfed after Aisha did
(they complain about everything)
stable nymph
y rena when can rose
sinful anvil
charging is dum mechanic in 2s where halfway into match when ppl die u just get ...
yeah screw charging its way better if you can just clock 4.5mp/s instead of having to stand still and charge it dude. Plus, if you can do it while running around, then you're not even taking advantage of death timers because it's not like they could stop you from doing it even if they were alive LOL
cyan quail
The only buff any of them have received was like... PR getting shred when pressing 2 tenacities and then AN getting renewed
sinful anvil
it just makes
stable nymph
stomp and long ears vs POWER
celest ore
y rena when can rose
they gave rose rena's old double jump....
sinful anvil
so much sense
celest ore
rena irrelevant
sinful anvil
you know what im saying
?
so
much
sense
lets give them more interesting and cool options let smake room fo that lets make SPACE
hmmm
stable nymph
both r dum and need to go
sinful anvil
just let her tick tock 4 free while moving ezpz :)
celest ore
i do like how rose base movement is specifically a clone of old rena
always found that funny idk
sinful anvil
i do like how rose base movement is specifically a clone of *old* rena
its more a clone of current rena than old rena
sinful anvil
her double jump isn't old ren adouble jump she just odes 1 flip and then business as usual, AND iirc rose can dash after her double jump
also i think the biggest differnce between their movments
is rose
as a heavy step
that changes everything
more than not having a stomp or haivng dash after double jump
her having a heavy step changes how u have 2 move aroudn on her...
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
omg
celest ore
not owned by the bot again
sinful anvil
but its weird ay ef having a character basikly rena movement
and then there's just a heavy step in there...
staggering everytning
tb thats probly y mn was so appealing
well part of it
celest ore
how many like
base movement types are in this game again
i think there's like 3 right
sinful anvil
aisha/rena, eve, laby???, melee
celest ore
bruh i forgot about laby again nvm
stable nymph
noa is basicaly gimped laby no?
celest ore
i feel like ain is heavily modified aisha but i could be wrong as hell
cyan quail
noa is basicaly gimped laby no?
Pretty much , tho Lithia is so similar to his that I'd just put them as a separate category
stable nymph
labybutfair
sinful anvil
also aisha/rena base movement has beocme a lot more streamlikned
cyan quail
The double jumps and air stuff r different
sinful anvil
i think their old movement used 2 b way more distinct
cyan quail
Noah's is more similar to Lithia's than it is to Laby
sinful anvil
now you can slap a double jump on raven/elboy
and basikly u have same thing
well u basikly haver ose
rtose
rose*
celest ore
people slept on instinctual movement for so long
stable nymph
i stil have not made a lithia
celest ore
like did they just not know it exists
stable nymph
dirty yapper
celest ore
nobody ever expects the es to double jump it's hilarious
sinful anvil
such a dumb synergy
cyan quail
I remember when they said double jump was pointless and not worth slotting in 💀
celest ore
me hiding my true power so they don't know i can double jump until i really need it
💀 💀 💀
cyan quail
Then there was this KE who was running the synergy and started seemlessly catching CS midair
In.sane
sinful anvil
i made a lithia btu then im stuck in the freaking depression shadowrealm abyss therapy room thing
until i hit 99??????
stable nymph
avarice is pretty and that idol? cutin is rly cute
sinful anvil
i cant even go to bank bruh
cyan quail
i stil have not made a lithia
Have fun with the Visual Novel
sinful anvil
im just tsutkc
stuck
with ym defaul items
lOL
it took me like 10 mint of igure hout where dungeon was 2
celest ore
such a dumb synergy
it's funny cause it was definitely just added to troll pvp
cause like, with the exception of crazy people like me, nobody runs that synergy in pve
cyan quail
It's non intuitive since you also have to interact in the dungeon
celest ore
especially not before they reduced it to 2 characters from 3 needed
cyan quail
It's very hit or miss
celest ore
think so yeah
sinful anvil
crap*
stable nymph
will ran the doubl jmp stnergy for
celest ore
u have to 2015 male crpa to urself
me when the item is tradeable but not bankable
stable nymph
plegas LOL
stable nymph
he cudnt get up without it
celest ore
he cudnt get up without it
LOL
sinful anvil
why does kog even do that
'why does kog do th at',
cyan quail
Yeahhh you need like HyperAccel and the boost from the teleporter
sinful anvil
1 of the seven wonders of elrios...
cyan quail
And then doublejump
celest ore
💀 real
cyan quail
Otherwise you need to fight the boss as intended 
celest ore
Yeahhh you need like HyperAccel and the boost from the teleporter
tbh its funny cause es is fast enough to get up there with just hyper accel, and it doesnt even need to be unique
i truly run double jump for no reason
stable nymph
wud b fun to have more synergies like that
celest ore
yeah its a good synergy actually but i think technically only worth using on mn
might be someone else i forgot tho
stable nymph
i think ther may b builds for cu to run it
celest ore
cu huh
stable nymph
tbh im starting to feel skeptical of assault spear stack cu bc at high gear
she can kill ppl for armoring without building spear
so building for pushing dmg on ppl who are not armored seems more valuable
aka like slapping ppl with xtreme cutters maybe
or gbh LMAO
celest ore
why does elsword do that thing when you oneshot people so hard the game just nopes out and pauses for like 5 seconds
what even is that
stable nymph
omae wa moe moe kyun
celest ore
hitting someone with a nuke and they someone survived except no they didn't, they got blown to smithereens
game is just late
celest ore
omae wa moe moe kyun
LMAO
stable nymph
i dont like that hp bars dont update during delays bc
client sided shield procs can ruin everything
cyan quail
Heavy gbh seems to be the KR meta with AS on the side
They're all whale enough that it's usually enough to kill people in stoic even unstacked
stable nymph
stop pushing buttons bc uve counted like 1m dmg but nope shield procd so u shudv kept pressing
cyan quail
i dont like that hp bars dont update during delays bc
The real kicker is when they get guild blessing heal after they die
And you just can't tell
stable nymph
heavy gbh seems so expensive n high risk
i feel like if stackd light shud b good enough
cyan quail
Idt anyone's being threatened by light ngl
CUs CD reset passive helps mitigate the heavy trait
But you can probably try them out once ur S4
That should probably be good enough for u to go GBH anyway
stable nymph
i used light non built gbh without trans slot and it still seemed pretty usable
cyan quail
MP cost reduction on QT definitely makes her feel threatening even if she's not pressing Assault Spear and just cycling QTs out
To reproc her passive
Those commands chunk like crazy
stable nymph
i wanna try scraps next bc nione told me it was p nice
it kinda looks like needles cutting
stable nymph
nione used it on me and imo it was pretty annoying
it can bakfire if u cant force break before u get interrupted ig bc pretty feedy
but otherwise is just low risk low reqard filler button to hopefully force a break while pushing little bit of dmg
i ended a lot of games with gbhing someones wakeup from offscreen but
tbh those games probably wudv been won regardless
cyan quail
Iron scraps seems nice but still seems like a lot of MP commitment when you can just press a Tenacity instead
When she can press like... Mod Hornet Sting or any of her other 2 boom tenacities
It is technically a free slot tho so ig
Extreme Cutter being dead is depressing
Since ur forced to use mod if you want CC and the tenacity is on cd
twin pawn
<@158436991426494464> 🙄
?
twin pawn
anyway fields are probably still in the game files at the end of the day anyway
we still have like most of them only the elder bethma altera ones are gone
celest ore
yeah
i would prefer fields as a way to grind exp but i have some theories on why kog decided to turn back around on that idea
mainly in regards to how the game's infrastructure works and bots
sinful anvil
if u have heavy go heavy bro best trait 💪
what the'
ngl im fumbling around on PR and losing but that char still puts the fear of god in2 ppl
LOL
or well i was
tbhj ims tarttin 2 eat lowki
but like it dawned on me
mid match
as i was focusing on buttons
that ia m only focusingon buttons bc i currently have options 2 contest laby
crayz
💀
abstract yacht
WHAT DOES SPACE MEANNN
games dont just have unlimited space to put whatever the devs want
just like how an SSD/HDD has a storage capacity-
granted.
a server most definitely have way more storage than your average gamer's PC-
still, I just said it at least can be some reasoning, not the whole of the decision
like if a content is hardly used why keep it wasting space
just for example
abstract yacht
y dont more ppl play tb she is god of str8 maps in pve and seems like
Because of her PvE
since you have to like
grind to some degree to do godly in PvP
and her PvE hasnt been great until the most recent change.
and because PvP also has little interest so
low interest char in PvE + low interest content (PvP) = hardly any playerbase.
the same goes for NL actually, despite NL being broken in PvP.
abstract yacht
https://elwiki.net/w/X-1_Extruder
splashing 170mp suction on char with innate 10...
Last time I checked this has no splash dmg.
Had 5 dummies together and the dmg didnt overshot drastically as opposed to using the skill on a single dummy 5 times.