is this some lithia skill doing this
#pvp
stable nymph
but i literaly
sinful anvil
frames
stable nymph
got to dash
kindred frost
stable nymph
and push a button
kindred frost
FINALLLLLYYY
stable nymph
???? have wakeup iframes always been this whack
like maybe covering the dash ok but when i enter in2 another buttons animation that is just
obscene
i am
so confused
stable nymph
if u stil have a moment can u help me c if this works 4 eve awk as well
sinful anvil
yeah
stable nymph
i swer i havent been able 2 do it with awk as easily as other buttons
stable nymph
old ppl playing like ants stuk in sharpied circle T_T
sinful anvil
more like
stable nymph
so today we learned it's only ever not ur turn if u suk
sinful anvil
old ppl playing in the outer regions of a circle that got smaller π
we got concentric circles going on bro...
sinful anvil
so today we learned it's only ever not ur turn if u suk
ya
stable nymph
divine ninja was just betr than u sry
sinful anvil
divineninja plays the exact same way he did 10 yrs ago that the crazy part...
like bro othr ppl do weird stuff
divineninja i meatie him on autopilot
it just doesnt
matter
LOL
i think
the lame part is that
there's no reason
2 even go for that sort of thing
stable nymph
hope ur opponent isnt a dirty mashr
sinful anvil
its like devs
have never played a game b4
like i said ok...
idk how u look at ppl being punished out of awakening by getting meatie'd
and then u think 2 urself "thats a problem i need to fix that"
LOL
stable nymph
he awakened it was his turn to do the anime thing
sinful anvil
like on what planet...
stable nymph
do u think the hero beats the demon lord w hard work
sinful anvil
how do u even get bhind playing the game atp....
stable nymph
no he spends entire story getting legendary +13 sord to onetap boss in final fiet
play ur anime
sinful anvil
how do u even get bhind playing the game atp....
by not undrstnding how it works I GUESS
stable nymph
go thru several seasons of pve farming so u too can onetap ppl
empty ore
no he spends entire story getting legendary +13 sord to onetap boss in final fie...
Hero Himmel didnt!
|| But he had a busted party so yeah ||
sinful anvil
@stable nymph
@distant acorn is telling me awakens are stuffable
and that in the clip where we tested
u were only able to skill during my meaty because rena normals suck and "arent meaty enough"
said same ab out reven ^z
what u sayn
stable nymph
wat does arent meaty enough even mean LOL
sinful anvil
thats
what i said
@distant acorn maybe the man himself
can xplain.......
i sent this
stable nymph
like i feel like having active frames over ur hurtbox shud b all there is 2 it
sinful anvil
like i feel like having active frames over ur hurtbox shud b all there is 2 it
thajt is all there is to it
and on top of that
rena's >>Z is still 1o f the most active hitboxes in the game ironically
and divine guardian striked right on through it
distant acorn
use Laby normals
or a trap
or blanket authority
my blanket stuffs every awakening
stable nymph
ok mish i have a 4th path luciel i can use 4 test
room is up
@sinful anvil do u wana test rn
stable nymph
ya
stable nymph
ok
boreal kayak
so uh..laby is fun to fight for anyone?
who says this?
i think id rather fight LITERALLY anyone else. at least you have SOME openings with others, however small.
abstract yacht
Raven moment
the ara one seemed fine so I mean
if u test it with everyone and nobody gets this result besides raven, it might really just be raven's awk
(nice, one more reason to hate RVs)
oblique sundial
so uh..laby is fun to fight for anyone?
who says this?
nobody thinks laby si fun to fight
if they say they do, theyre lying
characters a solid reason why 1s is so bad right now
stable nymph
we tested with raven + rena + eve and all of them could awk thru anything
warm hornet
Yush! I'm not crazy.
warm hornet
It'll will be easier to test this on neutral get up -> awakening
And the moment they get up and try to awaken, try to stuff it out with your >>z
rocky stone
nobody thinks laby si fun to fight
I play Laby and I can confirm Laby is not fun to fight π§
hollow hound
So fun- Gets Everybody, Punched to hell.
stable nymph
huh wasnt he a mm
stable nymph
tbh i dont remember much of die arc frozen
abstract yacht
.... DP?
buoyant folio
DP.
celest ore
π€¨
sinful anvil
tbh i dont remember much of die arc frozen
LP arc frozen
MM arc frozen
DE arc frozenw/e u want call it
stable nymph
o
im guessing his behavior changed a ton depending on who he was talking 2 bc idr him ever pulling that w us LOL
stable nymph
wat
buoyant folio
wat
fiery lionBOT
bbear_ has been warned
shell surge
Bro can you hop off? No idea why youβre dragging me moderating my server into the elsword official discord
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
laby seems like a difficult character to transitionn off of if urly in2 her? maybe justy me
the fact
cuz like
what other character your movement inputs double as normal attacks???
tbh nvm maybe u just treat them like movement inputs and forget they have hitboxes on them
and then urself be 'pleasantly surprised' everytime some1 runs into them....
empty ore
what other character your movement inputs double as normal attacks??? [11:09 AM] tbh nvm maybe u just treat them like movement inputs and forget they have hitboxes on them
Nah you gotta use em to your advantage. Its not a oops tehee if they get caught from the linger from >>^X. Thats a intended catch.
laby seems like a difficult character to transitionn off of if urly in2 her? maybe justy me
Tbh Aisha has been a whole lot worse to unlearn for me. Imagine spending your whole time sitting and waiting for ppl to mess up. And now you earn you got privilege cause TP is broken.
Like there's a reason no character after Laby has never had as stupid movement as her.
Noah got air dashes but he cant even do half the things Laby does with her.
Lithia has that trampoline >>X like Laby. but it got no linger and she got no air dashes.
empty ore
Want to make a correction about Lithia Trampoline
Its possible for her to linger and even carry its hitbox.
But compared to Laby's its still worse
mental rose
`what other character your movement inputs double as normal attacks???
[11:09 AM...
^x isnt a 100% movement input
u pressing X
is diff
than kicking with >>^>>
empty ore
Because it also doubles as an attack right
Well I can sorta see what you're sayin there. >>^>> is movement with a hitbox. No1s using that like to actually catch (It can however work as one). Sometimes you just ram into em for mp lol.
abstract yacht
what other character your movement inputs double as normal attacks???
Chung.
Stomp isn't really much used to move around since it's on the spot and more so used on comboes
It's still a double movement input with damage nonetheless.
(besides that there are cases you do accidentally stomp but end up trading with the opponent so it's still very much is valid)
knotty kraken
Like there's a reason no character after Laby has never had as stupid movement a...
i mean CA exists
and DA
GN
dull forum
β οΈβ οΈβ οΈ
abstract yacht
and DA
DA has the most similar mobility as Laby does, however
the dash in itself has no damage hitbox in which does not provide the same safety as Laby has by just literally moving around
GS is very safe however not as mobile as Laby's
Still horrendously stupid tho
stable nymph
tbh probably not something to bring up in a public discord or like... anywhere ever rly
oblique sundial
laby can just choose not to interact with all but the like dozen or so clockers in the agme
and the clockers dont really have any tools to actually deal with laby if she decides to rush
dumb character
mystic elbow
tbh probably not something to bring up in a public discord or like... anywhere e...
Iβm just wondering what he couldβve possibly said to be muted for the whole day
celest ore
laby seems like a difficult character to transitionn off of if urly in2 her? may...
ask paeq their opinion on any other character and youll find this clearly must be true
blud is muted
π π π
stable nymph
uh iirc he said he really enjoyed playing laby then mee6 came down n BAM
knotty kraken
i have exactly one opinion :)
shell surge
is it me or pvp is xtra dead l8ly
heavy spear
feelin discouraged from playing my CU because she doesn't have +11 vos
feelin like that says something about arena nowadays
heavy spear
sad, i enjoy playing my CU a whole lot more than my AD
it'd be nice if they gave out another free +11 but i'm not going to hold out hope
stable nymph
we need bak2bak2bak hyperpunch events...
stable nymph
i queued like 1 arena game this week and
i had the digger char on my team
and there was another diggr on the other team
and they both started putting up houses
i could not tell what was going on at all
fiery lionBOT
bbear_ has been warned
shell surge
Yeah itβs hard to see through the house
oblique sundial
Bro you really gotta come up with a new name for lithia lmao
Aight ye hp just got nerfed for everyone
So now everyone's at like 500k and cata can kill you in one interaction even with escape skills
That's so dumb who actually thought this was a good idea
stable nymph
ui/free training hp is inaccurate & we still have like 900k in arena
celest ore
we need bak2bak2bak hyperpunch events...
tbf at this point punch is almost active more often than it isnt
empty ore
I have to cope with that -20% adapt loss
stable nymph
i literally almost run out of res stones trying to do my dailies rn plz give us bak hyperpunch
hollow hound
I think AV is more broken due to her FPS drop skills. π
warm hornet
if you have an at least "average" computer, you should be fine in a 1v1 setting.
abstract yacht
and then she slaps you with bank
if it doesn't get you from the fps drop it's getting you from the size it has π
but one way or another it's getting you
mystic elbow
Fine till its CE who uses all her summons
Even with my computer it kills my frames to fight a CE or play her in pve
dusk dock
Who is top tier in Elsword PvP atm,
And what's the MU of them versus Overmind?
Honest question.
hollow hound
if you have an at least "average" computer, you should be fine in a 1v1 setting.
Define "average".
stable nymph
Who is top tier in Elsword PvP atm,
by definition every1 has a positive matchup against any class u play and if u win it's only bc u r vastly more skilled than they are
elsoed is a really old game aka more than likely horribly optimized so some things have like 100% def ignore 4 ur pc specs and just kill ur game irl anyways
but 4 me my fps was fine; i was just frustrated at not knowing which house belonged 2 my team because nobody on dev team thought to color code these things
i just hear lithias yapping and see like 4 houses appear on the screen
and then is like ok i guess ill just chill offscreen for next 10s and hope nobody pushes another house LOL
cyan quail
I found it funny when I pressed skill that gives u HA and u were still in their house ngl LOL
fiery lionBOT
noobsux has been warned
cyan quail
if you have an at least "average" computer, you should be fine in a 1v1 setting.
Idt even my laptop fps drops if I were to get on elsword
stable nymph
jesus
cyan quail
The only thing is like... WuWa
oblique sundial
Who is top tier in Elsword PvP atm,
labys and uhhhh
yeah i think its just labys rn lul
stable nymph
idk what lithias do tbh bc i rly only read up on stuff that 1taps me
i know the greedy 1 has like
a house and miracl and sot
oblique sundial
i dont see enough lithias to know if shes actually good or if i just dont know how to fight her
OH prophet is broke
forgot about her
idc if shes not actually broke i hate the character!
cyan quail
i know the greedy 1 has like
She has like above average neutral that can sometimes beat GS and CA if they mistime the SA frames
That's about it
For damage button idk...
That's still a wip since everything has so many multihits they won't stay for 8k% damage skill
Which hits for like 7s
stable nymph
if miracle isnt prohibitively expensive i think that wud b the skill 2 build
cyan quail
XD
It's a bravery
That does about 3k%
I used to stack it but I'm liking the one that gives SA better
oblique sundial
balls theres a dude in queue i want my npc matches
stable nymph
i feel like stacking othr skills that dont chunk wud b like peeing in2 the wind
cyan quail
It has a lot of range for the same cost as miracle
stable nymph
wait which skill r u talking about again
cyan quail
Has splash and gives party member stoic + secondary resources
That's miracle
This the one im talking about
Also doesn't have cool down issues Miracle has because of it giving full gems back
stable nymph
5s of superarmor sounds rly dangerous by the time braveries come online...
cyan quail
It's pretty easy to farm the mp required for it
If uve seen LA's silver tree the range is kinda similar
So it's pretty easy to catch and/or save people with it
Still debating on which trait but I'd say its pt good
stable nymph
tbh i might be biased towards miracle bc i was getting got by that skill when i first came bak 2 the game
theyd whiff it and id think
theres no way a skill that big wud have an active hitbox right
and walk in2 it and lose half my hp
oblique sundial
why am i even doing 1s i hate like 90% of the classes in this game
stable nymph
ya sounds a bit silly
cyan quail
There is no 1s tierlist because every single character in the game can rob u and it doesn't even feel like they deserve it
Just a matter of how easy they can get to that point
oblique sundial
idk i think you can pretty easily seperate characters by neutral
cyan quail
theres no way a skill that big wud have an active hitbox right
Ya Deluxe Blessing also lingers for a bit, and even if u clock it mid hit you'll still be hit bc of how long it is
oblique sundial
everyone has setplay on first catch but laby has a way easier time getting that first catch than something like CE
cyan quail
Neutral doesn't matter when half the cast has access to reversal escape skills and nukes to hit u back with
stable nymph
i feel like once score gets to like 2:x supports jobs wud b to like refuse 2 interact as much as possible 2 give their partner more time/opportunities to extract value from 1v2 situations OR if resources r looking grim to use their own resources to try 2 lock ppl down to help partner farm resources
if deluxe blessing is manabreakabl i struggle 2 c where it could reasonably fit into gameplan
oblique sundial
if you cant force someone to break before they get their nuke then youre either getting gear checked or your characters just bad in 1s tbh
stable nymph
iirc miracle cant b mbd on reaction
cyan quail
i feel like once score gets to like 2:x supports jobs wud b to like refuse 2 int...
It really depends on gamestate and how the resource economy is looking ATP
I mean same goes for Deluxe
And it does more damage too
stable nymph
o i figured the 10 hits of w/e wouldve been rly ez to break is that not the case
cyan quail
It's an initial big hit which is the big beam of light you see forming
Then it forms a flower on u
That part is multihit
stable nymph
huh am i misreading osmething i c like elwiki saying it's like billion 50% hits that spawn flowers that r painful
and iirc htat's what i had seen ingame 2 where i was like "wow this skill is ticklecannon i guess il tank" and then flowers came out and killed me LOL
cyan quail
Uhhh
The realm hits r frontloaded so maybe they felt like a big hit instead
So it's like 500% upfront and then you can break by the 2nd or 3rd flower hit
stable nymph
actually wat does recovery 100% mean
cyan quail
Doesn't even feed that much damage to begin with tho
stable nymph
does it heal ppl
cyan quail
No
100% secondary resources
Like Ara beads
Also gives me full Gems
That's the thing about Miracle
Sure it's cheap to get but because ur forced to Heavy Trait on a Bravery it has massive downtime
But because you get full gems you get like -15s CD once you awaken after this skill
Before trans slot cooldown reduce
Once you awaken and get ur trans slot buff you can use it right away after 1-2 seconds
Only feeds around 50 MP after full hits too
So it isn't as bad
stable nymph
i feel like if ur in position where u need to rapidfire miracles id just blame partner and gg go next LOL
cyan quail
Well yeah I find myself in that position everytime π
It's just not that good in the meta
cyan quail
https://elwiki.net/w/Deluxe_Blessing/ModA
Being able to rapidfire these bad boys gives me more of a chance to solo carry
And i've actually 100-0'd people before with Light trait
Just splash two people on a ledge
Very poggers
Tho the situations are pretty niche, i've only done it 4 times so far
stable nymph
against bigger teams i feel like no amount of those would solo carry against ppl who can actually just str8up 1tap near unconditionally over 1 mistake
cyan quail
Ya not even giving sot
stable nymph
like a keepaway lithia who will occasionally push miracle and 50% me + give their partner 50mp towards the ~150mp they need 2 kill some1 is probably going to be a lot more frustrating 2 deal with
but i can imagine that playstyle wud b rly frustrating when their partner is like
stable nymph
not geared enuf 2 do anything with suport partnr
cyan quail
If ur using the only other AV in Q for reference that's s5 SoA with full abysstics
Also full 11s and dmg accs
stable nymph
i think ive been like 30-40%d by it and then is like uncomfortable question of
do i wanna mb the lithia
cyan quail
I'd only tank the commands
stable nymph
which sometimes gets answered by their partner showing up at which point is like
o dear
gues is time 2 mb
cyan quail
Tbh Lithia needs a better go to Physical command
The magical ones r forcing breaks by just doing X loops
But people tank until KD when it's the physical ones doing it
stable nymph
if she has a slow combo in terms of like
low number of hits per second
i think that cud b alternative in 2s to just hold some1 hostage
cyan quail
3.2k% isn't all that
also it feels awful to see Miracle just do 3.2k% when I can just press Kudos twice for 160 MP
And already do 3k%....
cyan quail
low number of hits per second
They all have high KD
You can ZZZZ loop which is very timestop sensible or ZZZ stomp loop
The latter is still high KD
What i've found success with is just X spam like an Aisha bot until i'm at a comfortable MP range
Then KD manage and be able to setplay from there
stable nymph
i feel like w tenacities is like
if some1 is already in combo, im not going 2 bother using mp to push more dmg with a multi hitting tenacity
cyan quail
Yeah, pressing it mid combo is sus unless ur already balling on MP like that
stable nymph
if im using it 2 push dmg on some1, ease of hitting it + how much it can do b4 mb are p big factors
like u will be in a lot of situations where u might want to just awk into trans slot miracle on 2 ppl
im guessing kudos isnt big/bursty enough 4 similar purposes
cyan quail
It isn't
Some people have suggested stacking the bank
Which is only 1.6k%
But it leaks after 3rd hit or 2nd one if u have freed shadow buff
stable nymph
why does freed shadow affect leakiness i thought they made it so
aspd no longer affect hitstun
cyan quail
It's how fast they can mash something out of it
It depends on the type of hitstun, bank just is slow enough for u to give u that window to begin with
Also ur free from it if it hits u midair
Unless the AV is there to confirm
I've unironically already tested every skill she has
Rn it's either Miracle or Deluxe Blessing
Now that i've switched back to Rigo gear maybe I can test more meticulously
stable nymph
for hardr lobbies imo it shud b miracle without question, for having to carry weaker partner lobbies idk
tbh feels like a mish sharp fall v lowkick situation where one does marginaly more dmg or performs betr in some niche situations while other is ol reliable that is going to b better in majority of casesβ¦
then again ive played probably les than 200 gaems in 2024 so my take on how the game is played cud b completely off the mark
stable nymph
like imo supports are valuable because ppl are better off "1v2"ing than actually 2v2ing bc it's so favorable to tank/farm mp when u can potentially 1tap/force breaks from 2 ppl at a time aka giving partner extra lives is more valuable than contributing actual dmg -- if supports r stepping in imo it should be mainly to prevent partner from getting locked down when they screw up or 2 lock down someone who has snowballed to point where it's not rly feasible for partner to handle
like i assume that just being reliable extra life 4 partner + knowing when to step in is more or less how policies is able 2 do so well despite him not having enough gear to do dmg even tho he's playing a class that doesnt offer hp/mp cheese as direct support
once u start interacting with enemy team and comboing for mp + dmg rather than to stall, u start generating resources 4 the enemy team via them tanking u or farming resources off u + put urself in more danger of getting hit by 1taps, which just sorta makes u no different from another dps xcept ur kit is not as suited 4 it aka ur just going battle mercy aka funky dps
tbh this is all coming from playing overwatch b4 elsord so when i see brian pulling out carry performances im just thinking "disgusting dps moira smh" LOL
celest ore
I think AV is more broken due to her FPS drop skills. π
i notice elsword typically has a phenomenon where the first time a skill is used, your game will lag spike
and i specifically noticed this not happening on linux
abstract yacht
like imo supports are valuable because ppl are better off "1v2"ing than actually...
unless it's the era when 3rd jobs were just recently released.
where you had no reason not to slap 2v2 as double HR for that double chaos feld 
or double CeT and spam mod Tact Field
dusk dock
by definition every1 has a positive matchup against any class u play and if u wi...
What's the MU of an OM versus someone like RH?
Same skill level
stable nymph
0-100 only gods gift 2 elsord can overcome this matchup
idk
pvp population is tiny aka hu knos if any matchup is bc class or pilot
buoyant folio
hu knosssssssss
sinful anvil
hello ppls sorry 4 inappropriate comment :(
been meaning to ask..
HAS ANY1 GOTTEN TO PEEP THE NORTHERN LIGHTS?????
apparently they're going crazy rn
cali always barely out of rangfe 4 this stuff i s2g
mental rose
Wait how long was that
past few days but its still going on
rn
apparently people in NY have been able to see them in less light polluted areas
sinful anvil
the answer is dont think about it
ud never catch my rena protecting elrios from the demon horde in a maid outfit htats all im sayin π
bunny suit goes hard tho
mental rose
god my normals just dont reach
^z(Z)(Z) , the last two z's not moving you forward is pain
and standing Z losing over 50% of its range due to the moonwalk animation
is quadruple pain..
i wonder if kog would actually
add NF hitboxes back
considering how far we've gone
beyond that point
LOL
stable nymph
im sure ws deserves it
tho im not sure if any1 wud object 2 all renas getting it rly...
after years of laby im sure nf wont even feel noticeable
sinful anvil
laby has NF on crack
sinful anvil
after years of laby im sure nf wont even feel noticeable
like can we just think about that for a sec
laby's normals
are literally all nature force hitboxes
every single complaijt
complaint
that was levied against nature force hitboxes
is present in laby normals
They're "invisible". Altho nature forces hitboxes weren't 'invisible', they were just hard to see because the green aura faded out at the edges. Laby's hitboxes are literally invisible. NF is "too versatile" for its cost. Laby hitboxes get bigger with sentimental points, which are literally free. Deal tons of damage and enable all kinds of nonsense, super ez out trade anything
sinful anvil
idk y they got rid of skill levels tbh
like i genuinely wonder if it was a monetization thing
if the move towards
pigeonholing every1 into having to build as much dmg as possible was a way 2 make it easier 4 devs to lock ur in-game performance behind a paywall???
dusk dock
skill levels?
sinful anvil
yes
skills used to have levels that you put skill points into
to level them up
and skill rings used to add additional levels to the skills in that tier
like flex/tenacity/str etc
but this worked a lot better than the current "deal 20% more ddmg wooo!" situation we've got tgoing on
because not every skill in the game is meant 2 deal damage
if ur skill isn't dealing damage then u cant make any direct tweaks to the skill, ur stuck with whatever default vlaues kog decided to slap on2 it out the gate
which is rly boring
but it makes the whole "stack more damage, get bigger cp!!! get bigger cp, go harder dungeon!! do harder dungeon, stack even more damage, get even bigger cp!!!" a lot simpler ig???
i m ena it stuffs
everything
in2 that 1-dimensional approach 2 game, just seems hamfisted and boring BUT IDK MAYBE THATS JUST ME
fiery lionBOT
dekomlev has been warned
dusk dock
that system was trash
never again
thx for reminding me
i did not like it in the slightest
too limiting
lack of freedom for expression
i would rather have an overabundance of skills
than me stuck with 50% of my potential
sinful anvil
what system
sinful anvil
???????????????????
sinful anvil
lack of freedom for expression
it's the polar opposite
of that
the current system is what limits your freedom of expression
sinful anvil
as I just explained
dusk dock
even do that
sinful anvil
above
sinful anvil
because, with the current system, the only thing players can do to directly tweak the efficacy of individual skills
sinful anvil
because, with the current system, the only thing players can do to directly twea...
is increase the individual skills damage
damage and damage only
previously, every skill in the game had a level that could be adjusted with SP. The effects of 1 skill level were taylored inddividually to each skill.
So for example, some skills have a stun, and leveling up the skill would increase the duration of the stun more than it would the skills damage
This mean that my character has a unique skill that's strong for reasons other than damage, and I want to make a build that maximizes the efficacy of that skill, I could do that by leveling up the skill, then increasing it's level further with skill rings, titles, etc
this enabled way more diverse builds/setups and gave players more ways to approach the game than we have now
that diversity was lost when they removed skill levels entirely, and changed every effect that used to increase a skill's level into a "increase skill damage by x%" 
so now the only direct adjustment you can make to the efficacy of an individual skill, on any character, is "jsut stack damage lol". number big = good
which is π΄ π΄
game has like 60 classes. Skill levels are a great way to enable setups that r unique to a specific class (by choosing which parts of a skill scale with level during the design process or w/e) without having 2 go and address each class 1 by 1, which is somethign the devs clearly don't like 2 do
sinful anvil
or the skill TREE?
and no i dont mean skill tree, but skills had levels in them before the skill tree revamp
skill tree revamp just made you have to choose between two skills
sinful anvil
the skill tree revamp?
dusk dock
yes
sinful anvil
honestly i think for a lot of the skills developed during/afer skill tree revamp the dichotomies weren't too bad
but for the majority of skills, especially the ones that existed pre-revamp, the dichotomies were kinda ridiculous or made no sense LOL
HOWEVER
u say ud rather have overabundance of skills that be stuck w/ 50% ur potential
but
for a lot of skill
skills
during skill tree
they made new skills
specifically to add them in as alternative choices to pre-existing ones LOL
like airelinna-Sylph
mid kick, i think shadow body???
no tbh i think shadowbody was later
stable nymph
90 mp conversion bc thx
sinful anvil
we had more skills than we do now tho if u exclude forces
sinful anvil
90 mp conversion bc thx
and u kno what
let her cook
LOL
bc again
this applied
to EVERY1
and every character for the most part had something that got crazy if u stacked levels on it
tbh wasn't there 10 second iron body at one point π
LOL
like ok
if im stacking luna blade
what makes luna blade unique is it's MANA DRAIN, in combo w/ its dmg and hitbox and anglel and all that ok but
"stacking luna blade" in 2024 means ur putting damage on it to the point that it 1 shots
which i sso BORING and lame...
before it wa slike ok ur stacking luna blade and it's a whole situation bc if u land it my whole team going to lose 250mp
or w/e it was
LOL
which sucks and is def cancer
but its hell ofa lot more interesting than "big number go boom"
dusk dock
True pvp isn't even one shots anyway
Let's be real here
That's mid-core gameplay
You have many tools at your disposal to prevent them from happening to you.
Okizeme
Reads
Neutral
Mindgames
Just because they capitalize on your mistakes all the time doesn't dumb down the gamemode any further.
sinful anvil
i mean...
those things
have always been available
and if anything
as alternatives to "big number go boom", they're less potent than they ever have been
sinful anvil
sinful anvil
gz
stable nymph
thaksn
in like 3 months this thing is going 2 b ready 2 PWN
except then we'll be off 2 play monstr hunter if we're stil around by then lmao
sinful anvil
So I fail to see your point here
MMO's are also known for their diversity of builds and customization options available to players, allowing 4 a variety of different approaches 2 gameplay
sinful anvil
in like 3 months this thing is going 2 b ready 2 PWN
wghat thing
stable nymph
drop that only drops if u r fresh
sinful anvil
drop that only drops if u r fresh
π€’
sinful anvil
So I fail to see your point here
point is that the current version of the game pigeonholes players in2 stackign damage as the solution to everything with no real alternatives, at least in pvp. A huge part of that pigeonholing was caused by the removal of skill levels and the conversion of every "[Skill Tier] Lv. +X" effect into "[Skill Tier] Damage +X%". Skill levels and the ability to stack them meant that players could potentially build around any unique skill in their characters kit if they felt that it would be a good idea. Now, players can only make direct adjustments to skills that deal damage, and it's only the damage can be adjusted. Any other effect in the character's kit that isnt "deal more damage" is static and unchangeable. It makes for a very 1-dimensional approach to gameplay
stable nymph
dank these r all bankshareabl arent they aka i need 2 get my alts run thru abyss...
hyperpunch ended so we all need 2 get that abyssal incest if we dont wanna drop 1b on plegas mini...
stable nymph
5% adapt
sinful anvil
Mindgames
hell, case in point, all of our matches are literally, in truth, i can just get caught first combo, tank, escape skill > awaken lowkik and now im just winning unless u hit defibrillator
but the irony is that low kick used to b both an attack speed debuff and a dash-disabling active skill at different points in time. If I stacked Low Kick levels (which I actually did btw), it made the attack speed debuff stronger. The stronger the debuff was, the less attack speed I needed in order 2 punish any combo attempts while the debuff was up.
but now in 2024???
Stacking Low Kick lets me do this:
the mind games...
the oki...
the reads
the neutral....
sinful anvil
except then we'll be off 2 play monstr hunter if we're stil around by then lmao
r u going 2 try and +12 tjat LOL
u sound like u r not xactly LF> more dmg..
stable nymph
def not +12ing anything
sinful anvil
u scard..
sinful anvil
o
sinful anvil
u shud equip it when u afk in town
stable nymph
4 wat
sinful anvil
intimidaiotn
stable nymph
it's fresh out of box unenhanced unsocketd
sinful anvil
make it +2 so they have 2 duoble check there's no 1...
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned
sinful anvil
o wdefg
did they do that w foj too
i feel like it was +7 maybe im wrong
wait +7 is lucky equip
4am divine ninja
probly just finishd his hws
i nevr dod the hws...
good ol' MS bow
MINDD U
AHEM
sinful anvil
point is that the current version of the game pigeonholes players in2 stackign d...
that "Special ACtive skill damage +10%"
USed to give like +2-3 skill level to specific skills of ur character
which is what madde it kool
π
cuz only way 2 hit certain skill lvls was w/ MS 4 pc, and the effects of doding so were unique 2 each chracter's skills
but now???
"Skill damage +10%"
tbh y +12 soa
when u can +12 duelist for 5% attribute proc
π€
tbh at least attribute proc iss til la thing
warm hornet
Because it would be nice to use a +12 in dungeon as well.
To feel the maximum value of the +12 enchantment.
fiery lionBOT
dekomlev has been warned
sinful anvil
@stable nymph U GOTTA GET THE EVIL TRACER MAYA
FOR EVE
THAT THING GOES HARD WDDEF
dusk dock
@sinful anvil I applause you for your skills
But bullying a poor S ranker when you're SSS
Smfh
warm hornet
natural selection
dusk dock
^true
However
It was either a Mishani looking to "one shot" with lowkick
Or a deranker
Thebonly in-between were actual S/SS rankers trying to play the game mode
Took me 4 hours of purgatory to actually rank up
π
sinful anvil
<@286814551268130816> I applause you for your skills
what skills
i tanked and pressd lowkik
dusk dock
You maximize your classes potential
sinful anvil
i def do not LOL
dusk dock
Don't try to downplay yourself
Ever since I came back into the fray, I always look forward to our fights
sinful anvil
im not im promise u i dont π
dusk dock
I can assure you
sinful anvil
and that clip
i sliterrally me rtanking
after running into wall on ur wakeup
and then
dusk dock
Man I don't care
sinful anvil
escape skill > awaken > LOWKIK
dusk dock
My oki is godlike when I want it to be
What if I want you to escape
What if I have counterplay for it
What if it's all calculated
It just takes trial and error
And you're over here telling me that
You want the skill revamp of yesteryear
Would that change anything atm?
LOL
Man that was a good 4 hour sleep tbh
Back on the grind I go
sinful anvil
You want the skill revamp of yesteryear
I just said that it would be nice if they introduced skill levels back into the game
becuase it would crank up build diversity and give players more ways to approach the game
dusk dock
To advocate some diversity in skills when all the skills are available is kinda weird to me in 2024
sinful anvil
and it w ouldnt be hard to do beecuase im p sure skill levels r tehcnically already in the game??
dusk dock
Like I understand where you are coming from
sinful anvil
like your skill automatically "levels up" as your character levels up
we just cant invest SP in2 them
dusk dock
Truly I do
sinful anvil
To advocate some diversity in skills when all the skills are available is kinda ...
bro
dusk dock
But SP is a thing of the past
sinful anvil
it's not about the skill tree revam
revamp pickingand choosing
if i have airelinna nymph
dusk dock
They are NOT going to be creative
When they have something scummy as TWO battle passes and not even two skill trees
sinful anvil
wtef is my strength skill ring going to do for my STRENGTH airelinna skill???
dusk dock
π
sinful anvil
it does nothing
fiery lionBOT
dekomlev has been warned
sinful anvil
They are NOT going to be creative
ok bro
sinful anvil
y discuss anythign y think about the game @ all who cares lol they no toging 2 do anything
iwas just saying
dusk dock
Am I the only one who enjoyed the skill note saga
Where it was really pay to win
LOL
dusk dock
It was not
dusk dock
Another scheme for $$$
sinful anvil
in the opposite
direciton
it dodesnt make sense to me
thats y i opened
by asking the question
dusk dock
We need more mod skills
sinful anvil
of whether or not this pigeonholing everything into stacking ddamage
makes it easier for them to monetize the game or something
dusk dock
Oh yeah your OG question
sinful anvil
you instantly give all 60 classes a ton of new ways to approach the game and mixup builds across teh board
thee*
just like that
legit low effort
sinful anvil
Your buff can last even longer /jk
i mean genuinely
dusk dock
Yes?
dusk dock
One day.
When they realize how stale the gane is kinda getting
I mean
2+ hours of Low kick simulator
Can only be so funny at times
I miss when you did Sharp Fall tbh
sinful anvil
yeh and the nu escape skill and 1 shot me with defib
like HTRAT IS LITERALLY
WHAT THE GAME IS
if i get lowkik before defib and hit u with it u lose unless u hit me w defib woooo!!
WOOO! hmm what r my options? i wonder what other skills i cud stack up instead of lowkik skill dmg?? hmm lets c there's gyro DAMAGE sharpfall DAMAGE spin kick DAMAGE, all just 2 do the same exact thing
if wanted 2 do a violent atk build where i stack level up linna 2 grease mp for a bravery, well i cant bcause the only enhancements u can make to skills is buffing their damage wow so interest....
sinful anvil
u kno wat dekomlev its time 2 open our 3rd eyes
empty ore
WOOO! hmm what r my options? i wonder what other skills i cud stack up instea...
Stack mod DKB
sinful anvil
Height get bigger = number get bigger!!! π€ π€
number bigger = good!! π€ π€
empty ore
number bigger = good!! π€ π€
This is a trap that many people fall into.
sinful anvil
"Damage Scaling with Height" in 2012/13:
The higher they jump the further they fall 
IT'S JUST
A BRAIN DIFF BRO IM TELLING U
DEV BRAIN DIFF
sinful anvil
"Damage Scaling with Height" in 2012/13:
not stated anywhere int eh skill
cuz theres no need bro
u luse the skill
u realize
"oh this drags ppl out of the air"
boom
but
for SOME
REASON
STILL UNKNOWN 2 THI SDDAY
they felt a need
sinful anvil
"Damage Scaling with Height" in 2012/13:
to turn this
sinful anvil
https://puu.sh/KgFci/904fea23b8.png
in2... this...
???????????????????????????
LIKE
WHAT IS THAT????????
BRO
DO U C B
BRO
IT'S J UST
DEVELOPER
BRAIN DIFF
LIKKE
y would u feel
a n eed
2 change this
@ all
LMAO
AND THEN TURN IT INTO THIS???
??????????????
wait my bad
the green
particle fx
make it look prettier
warm hornet
I want the previous oberon guard back. At least switch it with the current modded version.
sinful anvil
how could i forget
MY FAULT
MY BAD ALMOST MISSED THAT
LOOK
AT THE PRETTY LIGHTS
WHOAOAA SO COOL!!!
SHE'S LIKE A METEOR OMG!!!!
warm hornet
https://puu.sh/KgFdh/c62f52d975.png
Cool indeed.
sinful anvil
WHOAAAOAOAA!!! LOOK AT HTE IMPACT!!!
WHOOAAOAO
where did she go?!?!?!?! ?!?!
@graceful nexus where did she go hails?!??!?!???@!
i dont c her!!!!
HOUDINI!!!
π±
π±
sinful anvil
???????????????????????????
ALSO LOOK AT THAT GREMLIN WIND SNEAKER PORTRAIT
lawd
pray trump make elsord gr8 again
sinful anvil
was life stamina always a th ing?
shell surge
How did you get it so fast?
fiery lionBOT
bbear_ has been warned
shell surge
Did they nerf the time it takes to get it
mystic elbow
ye
shell surge
O wow
sinful anvil
where do we get life dtw
stam pot
i remember seekng jt
but dont remember wbere
maybe i banked shared itβ¦
dusk dock
u kno wat dekomlev its time 2 open our 3rd eyes
Fr
Im trying to
But you stabbing my two eyes
π
cyan pine
They probably removed leveling because it was harder to balance and of course it's not to much different from the current system in terms of builds and such sure you had longer debuffs or buffs but ppl always dogpilled what was meta as it always will be
Is it really unique when essentially everyone plays the same no matter how many times I fight a class I know what it can do and not do before and after revamps
stable nymph
How did you get it so fast?
- we were doing story mode for weeks before
we had just enough to hit 100 this week by finishing 2nd lhase of birth of origin
cyan pine
This game has moved so far away from the pvp focus it once had
stable nymph
and leaving so we cud pick up the rewards LOL
cyan pine
That pve is pretty much the only thing that matters
stable nymph
it was like 4am and our koreans were literally taking micronaps in between mechanixβ¦
cyan pine
Pvp is just fighter farm/waste of time
buoyant folio
this entire game is a waste of time
kindred frost
Naaaahh
kindred frost
So fun- ***Gets Everybody, Punched to hell***.
βYa!β βYa!β βYa!β
Being high outside at daylight hits different
Gotta not look high in front of the waiter on my date
buoyant folio
shell surge
I will be judging the combo tomorrow afternoon. i will be accepting submissions until tomorrow sunday 11am EST. please also let me know if you are interested in being a judge! please see below for details.
"Combo contest - make a video showing your coolest combo on a practice dummy , you can use skills and do this in practice channel and share on YouTube (can be unlisted). you may dm me submissions
Prize
1st. +11 Amulet or $100 (your choice)
2nd. $50
3rd. 3b
These will be judged by me and a friend on-stream to declare the winner.
Tip: take your weapon off so your combo can last longer"
abstract yacht
I mean she does land before lowe does
nobody uses unmod sharp fall anyway because of the stun
mental rose
I mean she does land before lowe does
~~nobody uses unmod sharp fall anyway beca...
mod sharpfall
works the samew way...
abstract yacht
but it's multi hit so it's still gonna land hits
unmod is a single stun hence why you completely miss lowe in that video
also mod has no stun which makes it more reliable
mental rose
but it's multi hit so it's still gonna land hits
it will land 1-2 hits
max
from trhe shock wave
they will land on the top of the shockwave because it lingers a bit more
and will get hit 1nce, the rest of 9 hits will whiff
well 8 hits*
in effect
it still missd
thats like 100% more dmg or smth
LOL
sinful anvil
"Damage Scaling with Height" in 2012/13:
to this
when you land this
it never misses
and it always drags them down
if you scoop them out of the air like in the clip
it's just a better-designed skill
mental rose
btw does anyone know if elrian market place is still used
empty ore
Not really no.
hearty kite
@stable nymphcan you convince him to give a discount :)))
stable nymph
will says he wants 2 keep his at 300 but 2 also let u kno some1 else occasionally puts up a stack of like 13 at 250
hearty kite
drn
sinful anvil
<@115649431293919232>can you convince him to give a discount :)))
u want??????????
hearty kite
ya since I play a melee I need movement/jump speed
shell surge
Stone of acceleration
mental rose
hold up
why do i want
7 dub 5/5
adn not just 2/5
@stable nymph
cuz im thinkin
the angle rn
is 2pc 7 dub and then 2pc wm.
wait y am i typin in here
LOL
w/e
these market goblins after my ED bro
mental rose
mental rose
WAIT
IS COMBO CONTEST STILL OPEN
wait what do ppl usually wear on back accessory slot
if mini and bracelet so populart
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
booty
kindred frost
I will be judging the combo tomorrow afternoon. i will be accepting submissions ...
awe im too late
@mental rose that one was crazzzyy gg
empty ore
is 2pc 7 dub and then 2pc wm.
Nah you cant, WM's mpr is dungeon only
Ok nvm im wrong
elwiki lied to me
I will still never understand why Nerid's mpr is dungeon only.
stable nymph
is 2pc 7 dub and then 2pc wm.
well u lose 5 asd and 5% atk for 5 mpr which is not great, but it is a budgetish optionβ¦
mystic elbow
i think only a crazy greasy char like 
makes use for 2/5
attk power isnt that important bc there's such an abundance of it
losing out on asd isnt fun though
mystic elbow
gets later n later every year
hearty kite
@stable nymph man I hate that genesis boy
stable nymph
the only color ive learned to fear is green
hearty kite
green?
stable nymph
undergeared rena teammate LOL
hearty kite
Mishani
stable nymph
ive run into at least 2 others that arent mish
mental rose
@stable nymph im sry i tried 2 repersent in teh combo ocntset but they said my vdo b roke the rules cuz it was 2 long
idkbu but i didnt c no rules π
mental rose
undergeared rena teammate LOL
azi if we get paired up we're eating trust
stable nymph
wat do i have 2 do w combo contest LOL
i was thinking of submitting u tanking the add player for lowkick with igns blurred out as my sick combo
2024 elsord combo
mental rose
flowrman informd me that u wantd the 1 shot add vdo in the contest
so i submitted it
but they said it was 2 many 2nds
π
fiery lionBOT
.skwrl. has been warned