you yourself have said
#pvp
mental rose
you still feel the delay, it just doesn't matter as much becasue PR has big fat lingering hitboxes, homing skills and super armor
but that doesn't actually address the problem of not having precise control over your own character
which is important in a game like this
bleak adder
but i still see ppl doing some crazy thing on this game without any issue
oblique sundial
if only there was a game like this not made by kog 
mental rose
they're not making microadjustments in real time.
You can do crazy things in a game because you're a good player with good mechanics, but ask anyone who has ever played a fighting game online that has delay-based net code
how it feels to play in 6-frame delay vs 1-2 frame delay
oblique sundial
unist covid ptsd
mental rose
yep
LOL
that's how elsword has become 24/7, all the time. It used to not be like this, and the evidence for that is that we still have old response times when we're in towns/rest areas. Its such a huge tease
we get ~20ms response times in town and have perfect control over our characters
then we load into an actual match
and all of a sudden we're Under the Sea ๐งโโ๏ธ
fiery lionBOT
arnoldp has been warned
oblique sundial
BOT
mental rose
i literally bought a guild base skin the other day just so i can mess around w/ platforming without a 100 ms delay
because having a snappy and responsive game just feels good
LL
LOL
oblique sundial
8 frames of delay is so bad
mental rose
yeah it's actually unacceptable. That's why I feel like maybe the koreans just have not realized it, and maybe KOG did not do it intentionally either
because at face value i don't think anyone would cosign that this is a good thing and should be kept in the game
BUT IDK BECAUSE THE AMOUNT OF PUSHBACK I B GETTING ABOUT THIS
MAKES ME SECOND-GUESS
LOL
fiery lionBOT
arnoldp has been warned
oblique sundial
BRO
mental rose
๐
oblique sundial
THAT WORD ISNT EVEN CENSORED IN GAME
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
oblique sundial
But ye on top of the input delay, the same janky Lua garbage that can't handle more than one particle effect without imploding
And 90% of the modern skills are just a trillion particle effects
oblique sundial
7950x3d and a 4070 ti, I can run chat gpt locally but I can't run ELSWORD
mental rose
are there to cover up the fact that the skill hitboxes aren't properly attached to the keyframes of their skill animations
stable nymph
up urs air > ^<
stable nymph
ya didnt he use that emoji a bunch
mental rose
LOOOOOL
stable nymph
air and i had our differences but at least he wasnt nightbot
mental rose
he must have bc i immediately understood what u referring to ๐
u kno who was nightbot
was BlackBird
and for the record
my first ever SS rank in elsword
I got from beating blackbird
JUST SAYIN
๐
stable nymph
busting rof out on gramps w the 40 wpm here
celest ore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVSmCDD850
the typing is crazy
oblique sundial
oh hold on was that that one dude who gytka thought was a hacker or smth
mental rose
the typing is crazy
IK
oblique sundial
or am i thinking of another rs
mental rose
oh hold on was that that one dude who gytka thought was a hacker or smth
nah blackbird was
a forum omd
mod
on old forums
stable nymph
oh no i thought u won that 1
oblique sundial
ah
mental rose
and he was YrsofEXP's #1 GOON
stable nymph
u got asault slashd by 40wpm...
stable nymph
yrsofexp had those great forum posts
oblique sundial
dam i really missed out on early 2010s NA forums
mental rose
and ngl
stable nymph
ya micgret beats anything in #1266477654563885056
celest ore
nah saber's fanfic is straight fire
stable nymph
i was gonna submit chatgpt fic but it kept referring to regret as a she
mental rose
yrs would always
b throwing me shade
/being passive ag gressive toward
me
after i actually got good at the game
BUT
I WILL SAY
EARLY ON
I WAS LOWKEY A FAN
LOL
mental rose
I WAS SUBBED TO CONSPIRE ON UTUBE I STILL AM
oblique sundial
i was subbed to you on youtube and i still am lul
stable nymph
conspire copied lings from the future
mental rose
and tehn kepler kept calling us "Impressionable #1 and #2" LOL
mental rose
conspire copied lings from the future
trufax..
mental rose
clip
mental rose
LMAO
clip
wuld get rly mad
at
the old GM of cake
the 1st one
like RLY mad...
idr what 4 ??
i was good friend w clip..
solstice that luciel i invited 2 raid pt
apparently he was in cake
i was surprised cuz he started listing old players he missed and then he said Hostile
i was like wait
stable nymph
i havent heard from ken since i playd tera bilion yrs ago
oblique sundial
oh wait hostile like bryan
mental rose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVSmCDD850
also 0:20 u see how nature force ran out right before I pressed siege so it whiffed
๐
stable nymph
i thought hostile was ken
oblique sundial
different one ig
stable nymph
we were all little anime fox girls meanwhile
hostile was the frury male version
LMAO
oblique sundial
ah wait no ye no im a dirty void player
stable nymph
i didnt get 2 play with him much but i kinda felt like his raven was like a stiffer version of rearou n krabs if that makes sens
but im guesing bc i didnt get 2 play with him much he probably didnt have very much eve matchup exp
bleak adder
whats that npcs fighting
no way ppl miss old els
some grandpas trying to play els again
man just quit
oblique sundial
2011ish els just felt good
mental rose
i didnt get 2 play with him much but i kinda felt like his raven was like a stif...
it does make sense
rearou and krabs
eventually passed him up
he was better earlier on
and then kepler i got worse because he stopped playing as much, but kepler was stil like
a gamer idk how to explain
stable nymph
cindy kep
chalenj henir runners
i got destroyed by them in 1 of the first turkis i played in
mental rose
like dont get me wrong kep was mechanically rly good from like day 1, but i thikn even after kep started to get passed up by krabs n rear just bc of hwo much work they were putting in, kep still had good mechanics and made 'gamer' decisions LOL. kinda like willb safety type vibe...
mental rose
i got destroyed by them in 1 of the first turkis i played in
yeah
ling and I were prepared for literally everyone in the winter cup 2v2 tourny EXCEPT kepler and cindy they always destroyed us in pract
we were ready for brian + uturd too
they beat kep and cindy, but i think we would have done way better vs double vp
stable nymph
ya looking bak i def did not put enough respect on ppl who played smartr rather than maxing out apm doing siaeck stuff for like marginal efficiency improvements
mental rose
ya looking bak i def did not put enough respect on ppl who played smartr rather ...
to b fair tho a lot of ppl had a hard time telling the difference
there's a funny vid safety made
LOL
stable nymph
ya the
guy comboing
and video playing in bakground
i was 100% that kinda player even as that video dropped
so i was like
i dont get it
mental rose
stable nymph
yes
mental rose
LOOOOOOOOOOL
stable nymph
me irl
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
THIS HAD ME IN TEARS LMAO
stable nymph
ur guts r admirabl
mental rose
bro the best part
is he's fighting
a wind sneaker
the #1 victim
of the #APM MAX SIAECK COMBO SWAGLORD hate
because you'd be doing all of this fancy stuff
and then winds neaker catches u
and u sit there
while she
zz>zz zz>zz
low kick
zz>zz zz>zz
and then get up w/ low kick
-15% unnormalized aspd
and now u cant swagl0rd apm max cuz bone break
and then she catch u n does it again
LOL
stable nymph
that video was just 100% pre renewals ecoed
when i had some1 literally all im thinking about is
stable nymph
og get that og gotta get that og ima crossover itll be so cool omgomgomg
why shud i think about what ppl do on wakeup if i expect them to be dead after :/
mental rose
og get that og gotta get that og ima crossover itll be so cool omgomgomg
OG
actualyl did good dmg tho ok
do u remember genny
the eve
eve*
or maybe it was jenny
mental rose
genny was my demon
for a hot minute
in arena
LOL
my face just magnetized into every MEB...
stable nymph
u were jerb...
mental rose
not even
th e thing is
id try
to dodge them
like id stop
and try to jump around them
and everything
and still osmehow
manage to hit it
LOL
stable nymph
then they xplode and splash outside their ball size so u get hit?
stable nymph
i got light3 which led to love of og from genny
mental rose
yeah
stable nymph
i learned neutral from rei which was literally just
stable nymph
cem >>zZ
mental rose
and then it procs petry and she runs u
up
and OG's u
and u just get chiunked
LOL
stable nymph
i knew nothing other than >>zz for like
several months
until i met mal
and mal taught me how 2 play eve
mal was eve jesus
mental rose
also what the spit fire
LOL
PEEP ORTHOBOX NOT PRESSING NF
OML THAT ANNOYED ME TOO
"No NF" WS's
its cuz
mental rose
before they made arena and we had to use general channel and all that to get ranked games
u had to "i wont use NF uwu" "1v1 (I don't use Nature force!!)"
just go get games
cuz ppl would lose and then kick u
LOL
mental rose
ws trying to move around with djz looks so wrong now
i think djz
stable nymph
lk xxx (holding active) was op
stable nymph
ya but look how little she scooted bak then lmao
mental rose
even tho they cucked the animation
i like
the low scoot distance...
but the scoot distance is a function of ur
m/j
stable nymph
dude i used 2 feel so cool
mental rose
and also timing ig
stable nymph
socketing more move than jump
so my eve diagonal dashes wud b at mor acute angl O_O
in hindsiet it was s2pid
mental rose
nah the way speeds impacted your in-game movement was and still is really cool 2 me altho its no where near as relevant now
stable nymph
but it looked cool...
mental rose
so my eve diagonal dashes wud b at mor acute angl O_O
yeahj this sort of thing
was cool LOL
idt it was all dum like for example kirbyblader used to talk about
how some ravens like to socklet less m/j so th ey'd have less of a floaty feel
which made sens consdiering how ravens moved
eventually tho u dwant enough jump speed
to be able to high jump onto certain platforms
like wintery and stuff
warm hornet
so my eve diagonal dashes wud b at mor acute angl O_O
yea, jump speed will just make you have more height than actually moving left or right faster.
stable nymph
ya i think if u didnt socket enough jump eve's mebs would just farm u
stable nymph
ya
stable nymph
ya just force u 2 leave
mental rose
(unless u had wolf fang or shadow strafe ๐ )
stable nymph
no way raven is gonna challenge meb w those right LOL
stable nymph
the risk is eating like a third of ur hp off random wind proc
and the reward is basicaly nothing bc eve is going to be in the air after
mental rose
well idk if htey did iw as just thinkin of options LOL
ik i used 2 do it sometimes with sdk tho
but early on
the xcitement of sdk thru an meb
wud make me fumble the followup
which
is crazy
bc
as u can c from above clip
stable nymph
dude do u remember ppl having like
mental rose
reflect kick was crazy
mental rose
kirbyblader did
stable nymph
at some point we just started rawdogging it
mental rose
and i thought it was actually rly smart
LOL
but ya
ur right LOL evenetually
arena became the warmup..
warmup 1v1 and then message ling for 2s
also remebnb dj z scoot
winds neaker
could dj zzz if she wnted more distance
which
they removed
WITH
REBOOTS
BTW
LIKE
???
????????
DJ ZZZ NO LONGER MOVES U FORWARD
u kick in place
and then become superarmor and fall....
??????????????????
and also
dj. Z no longer PUSHES
so u cant use it to take platforms anymore unless u dj. zz to launch them, which is sucffed bc the scoot distance is tiny...
o my god genny just summoned the nasod scouter
i forgot about that thing
LOOOOL
stable nymph
i did not like it but in hindisght that move was
mental rose
LOOK AT ORTHOBOX
stable nymph
it wil bodyblok ppl ez
mental rose
IS 2 POWRFUL
stable nymph
ya
mental rose
bro
stable nymph
i just mean it paved the way 4 summon skills
mental rose
oooh
stable nymph
that eventualy turned cem in2 nonsense
stable nymph
ya
stable nymph
anything that puts a dude on the field
mental rose
did she actually have those
stable nymph
that has its own hp bar
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
stable nymph
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
sinful anvil
muted...
i sya
oh YEAH
THAT
M SPACE F
idk how i forgoet about that
i remmeber theree were some weird bleed shenannigans
with him too
wth
oh o
no
i twas
put briar on oberon
stable nymph
o ya
sinful anvil
and hten bonus points if you got an NS orb while briar was on oberon
and it procs
and hits eve
LOL
stable nymph
and we cud use it to lengthen stronger bleeds
so briar + surface cutting wud do like
insane amounts of dmg
when briar was already chunking ppl off its short bleed duration
sinful anvil
yo looka t his damage
surface cutting
if eel like
was always
always had osme weird uses
in like every seaosn
ok maybe not s2
s1 and s3 ig
i feel like i got 1 shot by surface cutting in s1..
stable nymph
idt it did that much in s1
it was literaly just the 4 slashes that did like no dmg and reduced kd a bit
r u confusing it 4 like sonic wave maybe
sonic wave was a circular thing 200mp
and that 1 did a lot of dmg
but janky and unreliable
sinful anvil
but tbh u weren't even a real eve if u weren't dimension link blader mid combo so w/e
stable nymph
will and i did have that on our bars at some point...
sinful anvil
LOOOOOOOL
stable nymph
u kno i originaly planned to go
full summons and no blink
for alienware
but we mostly sparred will + seab
sinful anvil
u guys had teh evasion bug in that tournty 2 tho so that was ez crit counter
stable nymph
in alienware? that was just normal evasion i think?
stable nymph
blink gave 50% iirc so it miet as well hav been godmode
ground impact was like 20% accuracy reduction
stable nymph
but realisticaly any evasion shenanigans will make u impossible 2 combo
we played alienware finals matchup so many times with no blink and i dont think it was competitive
we'd just get crushed by howling + kite + eventually hypers
sinful anvil
ya
i havent watched alienware replay even 1nce ๐
biggest stain...
smhhhh when even was that
was seab on ara?
stable nymph
ya
stable nymph
to give u an idea of how bad i was at using like
awks
and spitfire
i literally spent that entire awakening delay thinking
yup spitfire will hit them
sinful anvil
ok wait
that actually was
pretty bad
hello
LOL
like rly bad...
NO OFFENSE
but it's tourny finals so like
pressure is a thing
sinful anvil
well not from this alone. thing w safety's video is that it's like 90% of elsord players had little 2 no concept of neutral, movement in neutral, how 2 play it, and that's where the MEAT of elsord rly was that's what made it cool. But then ppl wud b mad focused on flashy complicated combos, and call u bad if ur combo was "ez mode" (hence WS shade because of zz>zz)
but i am confused bc in my head i rember u as like
being very focused on managing ur mp and playing around spec actives
in teams
but tbh
maybe that wasnt until 2018
???
that istarted to get that impression??
and tbf
stable nymph
i probably needed a few turki losses before i could acknowledge losing 2 spactives + resource gaem was not a fluke
sinful anvil
in season 2 when i was 3v3ing with sibyla and saphy i remember 1 of the biggest concerns i had when playing in2 ur team was that sibyla would get matched by u or another eve and forced to mp break bc his mechanics werent there
and then we wouldnt have ifst
fist
stable nymph
i do remember in 3s era i had fist on my skil bar
but i dont think id play around it in particular bc i was og addict
sinful anvil
https://youtu.be/tYMI0FtZ2og?si=_qIwlvfRob_I74zI&t=95
but in this clip thje first thing i see is that ara is using literally 1 of the most multi-hitting normals in her kit on ur sandwiched partner, and u c that for like an entire 1-2 seconds during ur wakeup before deciding to press awakening
which is 90% not going to delay the ara LOL
stable nymph
i swear cem was 100% the worst transition to spactive/delays meta LOL
like all thru s1 i get like
1 awakening per game
bc cem dmg is so out of this world she kills ppl b4 awk in many cases
sinful anvil
but i dont think id play around it in particular bc i was og addict
ye but i remb thinking that the inspire eves probably had better mechanics than sib and since ethy have the same movement htey oculd probly catch him easier than other ppl
and if they just caught him and forced him to mp break off screen while i was focused on making sure saphy didn't get scooped up in neutral, then we would have 0 macro options and would just b at the mercy of other teams mp the entire time
bc saphy will spend it on freezing arrow and i will spend on linna while haivng nature force up
stable nymph
back then eve wasnt even mp bound since she got 80 off converting
sinful anvil
yeah
stable nymph
she was awk bound tho and eve does not feed a lot of awk so
sinful anvil
ansd normally i would have an aisha in place of cem but ling leave me for inspire teams 
stable nymph
eve trying fist strat would probably be pretty painful vs other eves
stable nymph
idk why but i felt like
90% of my 1v1 experience was
aisha players asking me to spar their alts
stable nymph
i didnt have much 1s exp bc i just didnt like the mode
idk why aisha playrs on alts wud ask me tho
sinful anvil
i didnt have much 1s exp bc i just didnt like the mode
i rly liked how it felt like
1s
smoothly transitioned
into 2s
even tho i played a lot of 1v1, my main focus for a majority of the time
was 2s
i just did 1s bc i felt like it made me better individually, and then msg ling for 2s and we can think about 2s concepts from the ground up
stable nymph
miet b just that i was bad at 1s but it felt repetitiv and saem situations would play out multiple times every game
and was just up 2 like
how patient either playr was
at least 4 like scrublord 1s with no setplay stuf
meanwhiel 2s felt super dynamic
sinful anvil
like as soon as i learned that there was a korean hero tourny, my focus was on gettng good for the NA equivalent adn it also assured me ws had potential bcuz CONSPIRE was going around on NA forums talking about how "WS sucks and has no potential she's just good at noob stopping and so is popular w/ beginners"
like ok
LOL
sinful anvil
meanwhiel 2s felt super dynamic
i agree with this
i think a lot of my rly strong appreciation for 2s came from how it seemed to emerge from 1s tho
like 2s felt like 1v1 +1 +1
LOL
but also iw as glad i had a team m8 that enable me to enjoy messing around w/ those concepts 2, i thought VP had a rly cool
kit
like tons of goodies in her bag...
stable nymph
like even in that sad awakening video it starts with like
something prety sick in context of 2s imo
https://youtu.be/tYMI0FtZ2og?si=8AofwWLdKmJvBGsP&t=14
(like granted it is rof..)
but like if krabs didnt trust me 2 follow up b4 ip could guard he wudnt try that knowing he'd just get leaped by ip
sinful anvil
ok
even before
the sandwich happened
i open vid
immediate thought
is that this spacing
is terrifying
LOL
with kirby blader right there on side while u have the eve
flying around up top
nah we cant b doing htat
LOL
kudos to melee players...
stable nymph
we were doing so well up until i did that sick awk
sinful anvil
like u have tihs character with these buttons that have him controlling huge circles of space
on the screen
rotating heavy stance and stuff
and then he just presses leap and does this huge relocation
while armored
and now hes in ur space controlling it with those same buttons ๐ฑ
mayb it was also the animation it looked so heavy
stable nymph
ur space doesnt exist against the almiety guard
stable nymph
nah the slight pause b4 he launches himself
why do they have to remove all the cool stuf
snap crasher was so sik 2
sinful anvil
o my god
ok bro who needs partner
when u got oberon sandwich
LMAO
ok ya the good ol >>zz >>zz
sinful anvil
snap crasher was so sik 2
yeah
its name was coola dn skill was cool
LOL
THE SKILL DEFINITELY
ACCURATELY REFLECTED THE NAME
snap u out of the air
and crash u down...
i literally used 2 tell ling
like the moment u see this shape of players on the screen
and we're the blue team
like don't even think about it just press TP
like just react with TP
immediately LOL
but that is also 1o f the reasons y i loved teaming w/ aishas
melee players get caught in this crap all the time
but aisha can break this positioning with legit 1 button
LOL
jump + TP boom ur at top plat
or right middle plat
stable nymph
ok bro who needs partner
krabs had 2 afk hws in so many games i feel like every1 from that era is
stronger 2v1 player than 2v2 player LMAO
when my partner is dead i feel so UNRESTRICTED
sinful anvil
LOOL
ya and u have their full attention
nah that
eve strafing the platform above u
legit strikes fear in2 my soul
LOL
that's crazy
bro your time stamp
is note ven
even
that far behind
kirby's awakening
like he awakens 1 sec later
i click the vdo link
was scared before he even awaken and pressd pause
hten unpause
and he awaked
and it happen
brh
stable nymph
u stil get that feeling in 2024 elsoed except instead of 2 ppl comboing it's jsut 1 person 1tapping ur team
bleak adder
man 2013 els looks so bad tho
i would say
this is not better than current els
what is this?
so dumb tbh
stable nymph
will's cn combos were so cool
bleak adder
huh
i dont think it requires anything but inputting the commands
my day 1 eve will beat ur any
honestly
i remember i played cn when
oblique sundial
Generational beef soon
sinful anvil
that rf
stable nymph
idk why bother 2 try to get a reaction from me
bleak adder
tiffany was
still playing this game
its just weird to see ppl talking about the old els
that old era does not look any better including players
oblique sundial
Old era didn't have map wide buttons and 90 trillion air dashes
stable nymph
i think a lot of ppl thought that way about wills gameplay in particular even bak then
then found themselves wondering why theyd b losing every interaction
bleak adder
but like
sinful anvil
1 of the most ๐ค players ever who would just magically rob u LOL
bleak adder
they drop their combo somehow
stable nymph
but if u r saying that people in 2013 who had been playing the game for liek <2 yrs and were building the game from the ground up are not going 2 look as impressive as the top players in 2024 who have old gameplay 2 reference and thousands more matches under their belt
stable nymph
that's why a lot of ppl found him so hard to launch
sinful anvil
vs that RF
stable nymph
bc he'd take longer 2 come down LOL
stable nymph
like on 80fps im psure he dies coming down on the game losing bm hyper
sinful anvil
ima just
bleak adder
dont get mad
stable nymph
that meb in2 djx juggle was so anime bak then
bleak adder
im just bored and i just watched this old els then said my honest words no offense
bleak adder
im pretty sure everyone would think in my way
sinful anvil
andthen like running from them
like u could run away from smoene's partner mid combo while launching them across map on rena
stable nymph
like im sure a lot of ppl hit ss for the first time on laby but u dont gotta advertise it...
sinful anvil
qwasser would do this stuff for like 'fancy' combos
bbut this what i mean by it had practical applications in real matches
u peep energy spurt launch i caught off it then zzz^z
eventually he ran me down in stoic but like
stable nymph
LOL
stable nymph
xplosiv bond...
stable nymph
was there ever a time when
stable nymph
iron body made u take more dmg rather than less
sinful anvil
also noketen is just buggin
stable nymph
i feel like it would always make more sense that way
like taking risk 2 go armord on ppl
sinful anvil
linking 40fps lameduck gameplay and sayin "this look boring 2 play"
sinful anvil
iron body made u take more dmg rather than less
i think
it used to not buff your defense
it used to not give u reduct
so ud just blow them up
if u had the mp
bleak adder
ok just give me some brand new els vids then
i wanna see how old els ppl play the current els
sinful anvil
post-renewals
bleak adder
renewals...
stable nymph
well brian and kevin came back to the game in like 2019 and
stable nymph
ended up repping na in international turki
oblique sundial
Wishlock is a pretty old player who's still pretty nutty
sinful anvil
this is a consequence
of the move iw ast alkign about
like tihs is a variation of that
this is post-renewals
and u can tell here
that even though this is post-renewals
there's no way im doing this on 100 ms LOL
so it had to be later
and these sorts of clips are what make me think reboots
ow ait
it didnt post mb
that
like u can see how i stalled it a bit
and waited
repositioned
and reacted
u cant make those microadjustments
with 100ms
ud just have to send it
it would make the entire maneuver really stiff
bc im not responding and adjusting to what he's doing
buoyant folio
how romantic.
oblique sundial
Grab his ip and ddos him lul
sinful anvil
also shoutouts to >>^ZZ giving u actual movement
bleak adder
ngl that movement looks cool but i see ppl without it play an just fine
stable nymph
im guesing that's more or less what old ppl gripe about aka the game no longer really rewarding stuff that looks cool (unless u r laby)
sinful anvil
im guesing that's more or less what old ppl gripe about aka the game no longer r...
i disagree tbh
stable nymph
if u say 100ms
sinful anvil
ngl that movement looks cool but i see ppl without it play an just fine
I thnk that this movement would be rewarded today
right now
stable nymph
if not for 100ms?
sinful anvil
if it weren't for the 100ms delay
yes
i can produce movement that looks the same
visually
so it looks cool
but what reallty makes this movement cool to me
is it's function
and the 100ms removes its function
stable nymph
go make a laby so u can look cool + be rewarded despite the 100ms
sinful anvil
its still fundamentally different like i still can't make microadjustments in real time based on what my opponent is doing
to this day i still autopilot stuff awakenings with the gutted standing-Z stub kick ok like bro TAKE THE WEIGHTS OFF it just make for a better exp
and mind u havbe clips from like 2018 2019 of me getting dumpstered
by flame lord
but like
that's a direct example
of what ppl have gripe with
stable nymph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdX72azJXus
heh yeah s1 lameduck couldnt do this
but ya mish like in 2s where u just get exploded over the crime of like being on some1s screen (or not even)
r ur ms adjustments 2 tiny bits of movement rly going to help LOL
bleak adder
ok
some old man is trying to catch the meta lol
thats a good moment tho
crazy it was uploaded 7 mins ago
sinful anvil
r ur ms adjustments 2 tiny bits of movement rly going to help LOL
yes because they build upwards
like
ppl were saying these same things
in 2013 2014 2015 since forever ok
sinful anvil
but they're like how will micro adjustments help
stable nymph
like if u play on 1920x1080 im pretty sure u get killed by ppl not even on ur screen
like when ur microadjustments move u in and out of hitboxes i believe u
sinful anvil
as long as spacing is a thing micro adjustments help and having precise control of ur cahracter goes a long way
also btw
KOG
cares enough
about
snowballing to try and include comeback mechanics in the game
yet they got rid of
being punished
for for getting hit during the start up of your skill
stable nymph
god fast wakeup
sinful anvil
he tries to sword ignition gets hit out of it
loses NOTHING
gets caught and breaks 100mp
wakes up and presses flamewall
if u want come back mechanics in your game
sinful anvil
then a huge one is literally right here and it was present from day 1
idk how much sword ignition costed
bqack hten
espec w/ gale
oblique sundial
Comebacks in setplay sword are fake news perpetrated by Russian rikrok
sinful anvil
even during the days of suppression yr
if you could find a way to tap her once
in the rihgt place at the right timing
u get her cool down and mana and can put urself bakc in the game
and she gets punished for messing up her spacing
on her god tier setplay
tbh i shuda let that clip play out
stable nymph
how does yr mess up spacing...
sinful anvil
how does yr mess up spacing...
dont ask me ask the YR's
LOL
tbh
ok
im speaking from quick rise privilege to b fair
LOPL
hold up
which patch
normalized hitstun
so it wouldnt be affected by attack speed anymore
stable nymph
i think it was after 2019 at least
bleak adder
i honestly never understood how old yr was broken when ppl talk about the old era
sinful anvil
it was also after i stopped playing in 2020/21 i think
sinful anvil
i honestly never understood how old yr was broken when ppl talk about the old er...
basically yk how we were talking about looking being aoe silence
bc of suction
back then suction could affect u while u were KD'd
bleak adder
doesnt it costs some money
sinful anvil
it costs 150mp and some beads
"suppression energy" is what it's ccurrently called
back then it was just called suppression i think
bleak adder
i mean i think the arrow active stuff looked more broken
sinful anvil
which arrow active
u mean GA's steadiness skill?
that reduced arrow mp cost
and would come out no matterw hat
what*
bleak adder
ara had a arrow active skill
sinful anvil
that was just a poke in neutral bruh
stable nymph
is this like frozen trying 2 get a reaction out of us
bleak adder
nah but maybe
sinful anvil
but
if u didnt play back then
or werent very active or w/e
like i oculd udnerstand y
it might not be
immediately apparent
sinful anvil
ubt the force spear active is juts
a good
hitbox in neutral
ok great
u have poke
but suppression
is what let her kill u off of a single hit
you get hit once in neutral and she can ^x carry you to the wall almost guaranteed from any position on the map
^x doesnt feed at all
and i think gain force also drained your mana
iirc
like -20mp or -15 or somethinfg
but it was usually not hard for her to get u to the wall, and ^x was difficult to mana break a clean 100 anyway
bleak adder
i see
sinful anvil
once u were at the wall she could use life swap to get like 3-4 beads or something like that, and then ^x u until u KD'd
once u KD
she backs up a little bit
waits for ur wakeup
and presses suppression
stable nymph
iirc back then for most classes the game was just playing nonstop neutral with normals + actives and here comes yr with stuff like high speed (aka free superarmor in era of rare superarmor) + wind wedge (aka 35mp tenacity in era of garbage 100mps) and autowin via sup if she secures a small mp advantage over u
more relevant in teams but rak1+2 was an absurd amount of unbreakable dmg for pmuch free that other classes would need to spend like 200mp to achieve anything similar with
sinful anvil
and there's nothing u can do because the suction silences u and has an asburd hitbox, it removes any of your defense buffs, and power stuns you. Even if you're in super armor
she can time your armor out if she had to
and then she has her secret arts chain thing that yeah
stable nymph
i remember playing a lv20 base ara in arena 1s and just asura'ing people with dark3 and energy absorb LMAO
the origins of nasodraven14
sinful anvil
rak 1 + 2 in2 8trigram i think?? it did a billion dmg and u couldnt mana break it. Since they're specials she's also invulnerable the entire time she's doing it so the only way to bail ur partner out of the combo would be to delay clash with her (assuming u didnt get caught in the delay too)
and ud just get 1 combo
stable nymph
8tp was an sd skill
sinful anvil
if u didnt die she had enough mp + beads to su ppression u again so u just get setplayed LOL
stable nymph
they finished it with steel body usualy i think
stable nymph
i forgot steel body cud b used in neutral 2 bc
it was free superarmor mashable power stun
thx kog
sinful anvil
i remember playing a lv20 base ara in arena 1s and just asura'ing people with da...
YO SAME i kept putting my crappy lvl 50 asura pvp vids on the elwiki asura page
amd tjeu le[t gettomg talem dpwm
amd tjem jteu nam ,e
and they kept getting taken dwon
and tehn they banned me
from elwiki
LOL
stable nymph
there was a time when actual asura had
a delay in fox's meal
wat an awful char
i think big part of it came down to like respecting how difficult it was for ur opponents to win
like i had lotsa respect 4 elsoeds and ravens because i made those chars and like it took me quite a while b4 i could play them against decent ppl
meanwhiel i remember just playing ara and crushing ppl with no gear no exp
stable nymph
literally won a tournament playing an add despite having probably <50 games played on him so i can never respect that character
buoyant folio
when was this?
stable nymph
add/luciel renewal tournament
buoyant folio
loooooooooooooool
stable nymph
azami was playing 2024 elsword a decade early
buoyant folio
Ara and her abilities to dodge by just hopping
stable nymph
ok aras movement was p cool when ara released we were like :OO + her hair is like cape
then she like reverse ugly ducklingd us
oblique sundial
Who wins, 2014 ravens entire kit or aras ^z
stable nymph
honestly if is just ^z i dont think aras was that special
sinful anvil
i spent
hours
trying 2 explain to saphy
y this was a bad mmu
and saphy inist
there is abslutely nothing wrong wtih it
i was like bro u cant just b pressin a huge delay like that
whenver
LOL
pay attention 2 what ppl r doing where they r etc..
BUT NAH
stable nymph
triple yr LMAO
sinful anvil
like ok u froze llyud who was actually on our screen but the other 2 are literally sitting mid map watcihn gus from around the corner
and then u mmu and freeze all of us when they can hop over to us in 2 sec
u jus give them free awakening...
sinful anvil
who us ?
sinful anvil
well they were all in the same spot thats bad
our positioning was bad
if u c in caht
chat
i was trying to tell saphy to get up on the top plat
to charge
and i talked about all of that
before the game 2 ok
berri thought i meant her but i meant saphy shud have been on top play, WS can stand back on bottom etc, so if they try to come in and supp it way less likely they get every1 and we can collapse on them but saphy had other plans ๐
its ok tho...