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sinful anvil
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in arena...

stable nymph
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brian was

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rly young

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idk how he ended up on this game

sinful anvil
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yung DeathTrial...

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tey rly made henir a solo dungeon

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how im supposed to get carried bro

stable nymph
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team henir was so much cooler

sinful anvil
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for su re

stable nymph
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we became pve lords

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for that title

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pk but better

sinful anvil
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i did a toon of arena but i alwasy appreciated xcuses 2 d o stuff w/ appletree/cake ppls

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and henir was a rly 1 of the kooler xcuses sun

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tbh i always forget u and will werent in cake

stable nymph
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inspire absorbed a lot of cake nywsyd

celest ore
sinful anvil
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i think sony vegas just made me blue screen

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its ok tho ive alrdy seen ib2 the 100 ms abyss

stable nymph
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inspire origins as pvp ppl hub was so anime

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then years later everyone got together again in

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antilucrezia

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for guild pvp LOL

sinful anvil
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now ima yap in2 chatgpt in2 krn just so i can say i tried πŸ™„

sinful anvil
stable nymph
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i remember safety and i did 2s together

sinful anvil
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FATE WWAS GENUINELY UPSET ABOUT THAT BTW

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LMAO

stable nymph
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and ud think we would be like pretty heavy hitters

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we got randomd by 2 dies LOL

sinful anvil
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LMAO

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TEAH

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IVE HAD SIMILAR EXPS W SAFETYTOO LOL

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i thnk safety didnt tly play 2s like tbat

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or 3s

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when he played 2s it was always with a specific plan it seemd like

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like w tanos or me for that tourny, and sonetimes w fendo

stable nymph
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he played same role as we did in our usual comps so im not surprised we didnt immediately do well

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like im sure hed do better with lings or kirby or will

mental rose
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a;sp 2 does

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dies

stable nymph
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than us or michawk

mental rose
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ttrue tbh

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after i formed team with pandes + shuggs i legit told safety

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he needs to try this

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and we would literally

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swap

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LOL

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when he played ws at least

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brh airelinna + tactical field + ga was so dumb...

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freezing arrow did the same damage as spurt as long as u stigma'd first

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which is crazy considering it didnt ignroe def

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ppl didnt seem to kno bc spurt was rly noisey, but DW and GA were lowkey interchangeable

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at that time LOL

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actually

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nvm

stable nymph
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dw can awaken and pwn ur team

mental rose
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u couldnt just hop on ga and start cooking...

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ya

stable nymph
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ga gotta stigma first

mental rose
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stigma travelled rly far th

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tho

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the amount of times

stable nymph
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dw also had like that disgusting suction move at some point

mental rose
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i got hit

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by offscreen stigma

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Y EAH

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YES

fiery lionBOT
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mental rose
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I REALLY LIKED STUFF LIKE THAT

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THAT MOV WAS SO FING COOL

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ik it was toxic

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er

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it was busted*

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and udmb

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dumb

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but i thought wormhole was MAD cool

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lOL

stable nymph
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if brian played and geared dw

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they cudv known how bad they rly were

mental rose
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like the skills that were busted bc of how they took advantage of the game's mechanics/physics/ w/e u wanna call it

stable nymph
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dw egos were outta control…

mental rose
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a s opposed to just big damage big number boom (like current anemos -__)

mental rose
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im telling u

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it's bc characters like dw

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allowed players

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who werent used 2 winning

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to all of a sudden

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start eating

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adn they dk how 2 act

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LOL

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it's funny cuz no actual good players acted like that for the most part in els community at least.....

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even weiyan

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weiyan himself

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was never yapping crazy it was always the goons aroudn him lOL

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but when DW dropped

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u had the mayu's

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the forkchungs

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when add dropped

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u had the isaiahs

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the Mjs

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lOL

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when DE*

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JUST SAYIN

stable nymph
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god frozenthreat vs weiyan

mental rose
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

stable nymph
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that was some funny bsns

mental rose
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LMAO I DONT EVEN THINK I SAW THE FULL MATCH O FTHAT

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i just saw highlights OLOL

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i was prob tunnel visioning on pan am..

stable nymph
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was that same tournament will just

mental rose
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DE is when chase

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popped up

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chase commentary was 2 much LOOL

stable nymph
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disappeared into the sky on bethma lake

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vs brian i think

mental rose
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one of them

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there were 2

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i remb the first 1 i woke up

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rolled outof bed

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5 mins later

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they ping me "UR MATHC IS NOW UR MATHC I SNOW" super early

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and then all of a sudden i am in match vs kirbyblader on RS

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house runing me

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bro i aint even brush m yteeth..

stable nymph
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chase shudv been an official commentator

mental rose
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they

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would never

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LMFOA

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can u imagine chase co-commentating with Air LMAO

stable nymph
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honestlty if they cud keep it pg/civil enough for stream feel like it wudv been top tier duo

mental rose
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tbh tho chase + air wud have been completye representation

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yin & yang...

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cuz they were always talkkjna bout how

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air was fgassing up kribybalder n co

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and the inspire ppl

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too much

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while not gassing u p

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safety n tnanos

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enmuf

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LOOOOOL

stable nymph
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gassing up add :/

mental rose
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safety**

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SIGH

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I AM STILL A BIT UPSET BRO tanos was my AMIGO for a good minute

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we played gunz 2 and a few other games togehrt too (we ran into weiyan + armada goons on gunz 2 ranked btw LOL)

stable nymph
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oh watch out tanoss has the enemy right where he wants them right now hes strategically converting his own hp to dp by allowing them to combo him in this risky play and OHH HERE COMES THE MAXIMUM STRIKE

mental rose
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but after he lost to me in pan am summer, chase n some1 else roasted him mad hard 4 it OUT OF NO WHERE

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adn then he tanos stoppedt alking 2 me

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bro i didnt even SAY ANYHTING

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i dont even think iw as tehre

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smh

mental rose
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he was 1 of those

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u kno the

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elwiki ppl

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they were like

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there own ocmmunity

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they had 1 of those embedded chat rooms on elwiki back in the day

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htey would all chitat in it

stable nymph
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o then i probably apreciated wat he did for the comunity

mental rose
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like the freewebs chatrooms and stuff

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and they played elsword kr

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tanos played a TON of elsord kr

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so like before de was in NA he was grinding 3v3

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in kr

stable nymph
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o ya he got the hed start

mental rose
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on DE

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yeah

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so when de dropped he alrdy knew how 2 grease on the character

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ngl those elwiki ppl

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were the real illuminatti

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LOL

stable nymph
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he was an ip before that wasnt he

mental rose
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yeah

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ling and i fought him in the first 2v2 tourny

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the winter cup

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which

stable nymph
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i hated chungs too lmao

mental rose
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part 2/3 of that tournament, which has the tanos match in it

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has been missing from Elsword official youtube channel

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for yrs

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idk where it went

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its just

stable nymph
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everyoen else playing neutral and chung was just

mental rose
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part 1/3

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part 3/4

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er

stable nymph
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xxx and dash x

mental rose
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3/3

mental rose
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tbh in uhh

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i think original IP wasnt that bad

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he bcame a true war criminal

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after

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guard

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.

stable nymph
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well original ip waslag making xxx and dash x awful to try to contest

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pain o caladbugs onetapd u like fullscreen

mental rose
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tbh for eve, particularly cem, i can actually c originally iP

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IP

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being mad obnoxious

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lOL

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spitfire vs heavy stance...

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meb vs heavy stance...

stable nymph
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randomolisher was awful to contest

mental rose
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o man

fiery lionBOT
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mental rose
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hUH

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i wish???

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i wish 2/3 winter cup was up

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lLOL

stable nymph
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wish followrd by it probably

mental rose
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o dam

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tanos randemolisered actually did almost

stable nymph
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do u remember leedizzle tournaments

mental rose
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whipe us with it

stable nymph
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with funny rules

mental rose
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and also ling thought his team mate was cable pulling

stable nymph
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i remember those as the most fun

mental rose
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yeah i do

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bro i hated those wonky rule tournies lOOOL

stable nymph
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but mightv been bc those were my first winnings

mental rose
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and i also remmeber

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u guys

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being menaces in them

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BUT LETS NOT FORGET

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LEEDIZZLE IS TH SAME PERSON

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who named one of his tournies

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the "AiriChan master cup" or something like that

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πŸ˜’

stable nymph
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LOL

mental rose
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and airichan was a CN

stable nymph
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top tier tournament host

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hail airichan

mental rose
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he was giving the CN's little perks and exceptions

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during the skill ban phase and telling us 2 suck it up cuz its airichan

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LMAO

stable nymph
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LMAO

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and airi was

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challenge henir lord

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so she had so much add dmg

mental rose
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oh yeah you're right

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i forogt

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about that

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yeah

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airichan's iron scraps

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was legit nightmare fuel

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LOL

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there was also a CN

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running GBH in that tournament

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and getting a lot of mileage off of it

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idr if it was airi or lameduck

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but i remember gbh at top right corner of wintery velder πŸ’€

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wiping 6 other ppl..

stable nymph
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every eve wudv ran gbh

mental rose
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oh

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is it base eve?

stable nymph
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ya

mental rose
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that was a cool skill too btw

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tbh i say that about every skill

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bro elsord was just the coolest game i dk what teo tell u ...

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well

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stable nymph
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spearburst and oberon guard were the coolest ever skils and now they r completely wrong T T

sinful anvil
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IM MUTED AGAIN

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SMH

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WS skills were always plain as HECK

sinful anvil
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spear burst

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having eve drop with it

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CN was a dynamic character ok

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that was clean

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she'd spear burst and then spear dash thru u

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oberon guard shuold send u FLYING

stable nymph
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i was upset when they made oberon guard not launch but letting eve combo off it was way better

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and now oberon guard is just stoic

sinful anvil
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what rly

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does he actually guard

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does oberon actually guard*

stable nymph
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huh rn he just gives u stoic

sinful anvil
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he doesn tpu tout

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the barrier?

stable nymph
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its a big circle

sinful anvil
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OH

stable nymph
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it hits but its primary use is stoic

sinful anvil
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THATS WHAT AYSPERSON WAS GREASING WITH YDAY

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nah dont sleep

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on those hits

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πŸ˜’

stable nymph
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cu was such a downgrade in design from cn

sinful anvil
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in what ay

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wya

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way

stable nymph
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general weaponry to specificaly jank spears

sinful anvil
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o like conceptually

stable nymph
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like cn had guns and whips and rokit launchrs and stuff

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cu is just

sinful anvil
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yeah i saw a whati's it called

stable nymph
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spears

sinful anvil
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stinger?

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YEAH

sinful anvil
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was a jank HA

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but

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it was lowkey 1 of my favortie

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HA's

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lOL

stable nymph
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cool but bad

sinful anvil
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yeah lOL

stable nymph
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her new one is lame but good

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feels bad

sinful anvil
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but also

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ok look

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this

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that CN skill

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they way tehy cahnge it

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encapsulates one my biggest gripes w/ the way the game has ogne ok

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what was it called uhh

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explosive

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the whip

stable nymph
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xplosion impact…

sinful anvil
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YE

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like

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explosion impact

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was clearly made by ppl

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who understood elsord physx ok

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like

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u hit something with epxlosion impact that isn't in SA and i am ps ure the xplosions would still pull u in towards CN, it also had good like

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ok u kno what

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current explosion impact actually isnt that bad nvm i just checked

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LOL

stable nymph
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LOL

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ima sleep we shud stop all nightering on nostalgia trips holy moly

sinful anvil
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i agri

celest ore
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wait were you guys at it all night

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i respect it

sinful anvil
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but MY 100 MS GRIPE ISN'T NOSTALGIA IT'S AN OBJECTIVE OBSERVATION OF AS GAME QUALITY ISSUE THAT OUGHT 2 B RESOLVED

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but ya u r right...

celest ore
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πŸ˜”

sinful anvil
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100 ms input delay in dungeons, fields and pvp. Less than 41 ms input delay in towns and rest areas. Used to be less than 41 ms input delay in dungeons, fields, pvp and rest areas up until around 2020/2021, something changed around then and messed up the games input buffer and overall responsiveness during actual gameplay. 100 ms is like playing a north american game from Europe. Praying we get a fix 🀞 🀞 πŸ˜”

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gn pce

clever sigil
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same.

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and . . . were you the Adrestia that I rumbled with last night?

noble pelican
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poll_question_text

What skill should I stack as MtM?

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1

victor_answer_text

Impact Zone

celest ore
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nope i was not

empty ore
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@sinful anvil go ahead and log back on, get that +11 vos

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@noble pelican yeah Zone is the safer choice because GP always requires setup.

noble pelican
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I see!

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Makes sense

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It’s a fun skill too

mystic elbow
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Impact Zone

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πŸ—£οΈπŸ”₯πŸ”₯πŸ”₯

noble pelican
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πŸ—£οΈ

heavy spear
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lack of +11 vos is going to hurt my luciel when i switch em back to dem bebeheart

mental rose
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Elrios is in danger!!!!

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😱 😱

empty ore
mental rose
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@stable nymph https://youtu.be/tKqYtGU_wD4?si=z5xKtZLA6hD0XAnF&t=567 vs. Safety's SD at 9:27, 22:26 and 25:36

YouTube
Mishani ss
[Elsword: NA] 1v1 Arena PvP

I apologize in advance for any clumsy gameplay; I am still new to Sylph (this was my 1st/2nd day using it), and I find it very difficult to control. I'll upload another video once I get a better hang of it.

0:00 - CBS
1:21 - YR
3:23 - RF
5:21 - VP
9:27 - SD
14:04 - RF
16:22 - VP
22:26 - SD

Also sorry for the mute; I had random crap playing i...

β–Ά Play video
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this when I had just started using sylph vs SD, and was safety's first time fighting it. obviously its cancer but thabs where i started getting ideas to deal w/ kite from

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at 13:33 is an example of the low altitude thing i was talking about LOL

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but in these I wasn't being deliberate about any of it

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i was just tumbling LOL

heavy spear
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wow just watching how neutral was like back then

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just trying to dance around each other's hitboxes

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because we didn't have copious amounts of SA then

mental rose
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yeah there was a huge emphasis on mechanics, control of your character and spacing and all that

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YEAH LOL

heavy spear
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absolutely

mental rose
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movement was your offense and your defense

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at the same time

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bc we odnt have a block button or anything

heavy spear
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you had to be good at converting

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nowadays it's almost like you don't have to try converting at all

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just throw out another SA hitbox

stable nymph
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holy the tumbling sends me b ak LOL

mental rose
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yeppp, and using Airelinna Sylph in this mathcup made converting wind sneaker cancerous as SD

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this was safety's first time fighitng sylph sneaker so he was dropping a lo tof them

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latero n

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he came up with WS-specific combos to deal with it better LOL

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like every time he goes for that >>zzz multi hit thing while i h ave sylph up

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i just hop out of it LOL

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also switch directions during the ^x hits to make urself launch in the opposite direction

sinful anvil
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but like i wasnt even being super deliebrate about my tumble/altitude position vs sd adn it was still causing him a ton of problems. Like imagine if I had been intentionally >>v^ double jumping around platforms everytime he had flying kite up

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he would have needed chemo after dealing w/ that LOL

heavy spear
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OH MY GOD and the old ws ^^zz that LAUNCHED

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that takes me back

stable nymph
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i cant believe fall in2 energy absorb wasnt safe vs tumble

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did ara vx exist bak then

mental rose
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LOOL

mental rose
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that was the first biggest example of them removing hitboxes that were mapped to the animation's keyframes, and replacing them with the hitbox that just comes out at the beginnign of the move and proceeds regardless

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original ^^ZZ hitbox was mapped to her leg hitboxes rly accurately

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so u could stuff awakening if ur feet were touching ppl and stuff

mental rose
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the super armor spin attasck?

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O NO

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u mean

stable nymph
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is just ara ^x but u do vx instead

mental rose
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o

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ya

stable nymph
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i remember it being much harder than plateform swepe but idk if it even worked bak then

mental rose
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safety and fendo had the corner carry combos worked out by this time iirc

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wwwait actually im not 100% sure

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cuz i kinda remember vx being a thing in 2018

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LOL

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that migh thave been later on

stable nymph
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like removal of launch counter made it something u cud just

mental rose
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yeeaaahahhh that had to be later

stable nymph
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use in place of other combos as long as u were on platform

mental rose
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removal of the launch counter πŸ’€

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wait nah but

stable nymph
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but did single vx work as like a confirm 2 beat tumble bak in early days

mental rose
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^x was always a thing

stable nymph
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quick launch fastr than ^x

mental rose
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do we still have vx

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rn

stable nymph
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ya ara stil has vx rn

mental rose
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i want to say yes

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bc i dont c

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y she wouldnt have had it

stable nymph
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idk they mightv changed ^x properties to make vx possible later on

twin pawn
mental rose
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idk what properties they'd have 2 change about it bc

twin pawn
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well

mental rose
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im prettys ure u could vx righ tthere

stable nymph
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i feel like a lot of normals changes we dont remember anymor

twin pawn
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most ppl who care ab it do it

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otherwise they just zz loop

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i can only do it if im facing left

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or was it right

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i forgot

mental rose
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i remember mos to fht enormals changes cuz they bROKE MY HEART EVRYTIME πŸ’” 😭

stable nymph
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raven zz loope wp0w mark of ss rank raven O_o

mental rose
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at least teh rena 1s LOL

mental rose
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i saw someone zz loop me

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yesterdya i tihnk

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and i immediately thought

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he looked sikk

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LOOOL

stable nymph
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nah they changed inputs for raven zz loop it's ez now

mental rose
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i was like 'DAMM OK ZZ<<> ON THE LEDGE TO STOP TUMBLE OK I C U HOSTILE '

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then i rememebr its 2024

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πŸ˜”

stable nymph
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excuse u the input was zzx>><>

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now it's like zzz <<> LMAO

mental rose
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O SHHHH

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they cancelled the third x 2 do it?

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that's clean LOL

stable nymph
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had to forward dash cancel the third x ya

mental rose
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adn ya nah i thought zz the 2nd z was dash cancellable

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dam that makes it evne more clean

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bro

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when kirby

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and rear

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started breaking that out

stable nymph
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it felt rly cool 2 do

mental rose
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in arena

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my heart would sink

stable nymph
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bc ur just mashing super hard on ur kb

mental rose
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because i knew I'd have to mana break this 100%

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LOL

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like they rarely ever messed that up

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like ther woudl be times i ma bout to tumble the combo i can tell, and then they swap to zzx<<>

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rip

stable nymph
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ravens literaly jsut stopping their combo and doing empty ^x knowing ud jump

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mental rose
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noo

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LMAO I RARELY SAW THAT

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no u kno

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wh would do that

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the most

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to me

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was weiyan

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weiyan did that a lOT

stable nymph
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i think it was mostly 4 renas since they kno ur mashing ^

mental rose
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move forward

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with the vx or do u do it in place?

stable nymph
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u can do it in place

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or moving forward if u want

twin pawn
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you do it in place generally

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u move if u wanna show off

stable nymph
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isnt it easier moving forward

twin pawn
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depends bc i dont think it is

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if im too close to a platform above us though then ill move forward

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im also lazy

mental rose
twin pawn
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lizard brain doesnt like pressing forward

mental rose
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like vs safety SD when he ^x i was always trying to <-- so that it wo uld launch me opposite

twin pawn
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i also personally find its easier for me to mess up if im moving you while doing it

mental rose
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launch them

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in place?

twin pawn
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yes

mental rose
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ok

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in that case

twin pawn
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they just continuously get knocked up

mental rose
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vX probably wasnt a thing back then

twin pawn
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and it wont drop

mental rose
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bc ^X used to launch you forward ya

twin pawn
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u can do it infinitely by just standing in place

mental rose
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yeeaaahh

twin pawn
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even better if near a corner

mental rose
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i thin i remember marco doing that on his ara

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think

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in 2018

twin pawn
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iirc Surya does it most of the time

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and its like

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something u lit only do in 1s

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too unsafe in 2s

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u knock someone up now theyre falling bc someone time stopped u across the 8 mile map

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and now u have to redo it Ugh

stable nymph
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i remember ara used 2 have like

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zzzx or w/e charging spear thrust

mental rose
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was harder 2 time stop that in 2s before

stable nymph
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that lookd so cool

mental rose
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a lot harder

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lOL

stable nymph
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idk if she still has it but if she does they probably guttd it

twin pawn
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safe super armor

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shakti cant

mental rose
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or kd reduction idr

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they did it a lot during ^x loop

twin pawn
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iirc i dint think surya can with zzzx

stable nymph
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there is no safe super armor in 2024...

twin pawn
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if she charges it and ur too close she can just act out the moment it comes out

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and it ends the super armor

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its "safe"

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but yea no super armor is safe

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youll just get nuked by a tenacity

stable nymph
#

i mean once score gets to like 2:2 i feel like a lot of ppl die the moment red outline forms around them

twin pawn
#

or someone delay chaining 5 tenacities in a row

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by that point most ppl have resources yea

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if i see a red outline on u and ur on a straight line/below me

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im wolf arting you

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and you will die

stable nymph
#

u kno mish i said we didnt scum enough but

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it def still happened sometimes...

sinful anvil
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a LOT

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LOL

fiery lionBOT
#
noobsux has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

sinful anvil
#

.

stable nymph
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dude i cant link this video

twin pawn
#

go two more

sinful anvil
#

what video si it

stable nymph
#

because the url has a swear in it

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LMAO

sinful anvil
#

try tinyurl

twin pawn
#

its probably not even a swear its just the letters in the link

stable nymph
sinful anvil
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s/o to assassin being sensored in in-game dialogue

stable nymph
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he got vit and i just decided

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i didnt wanna play w him anymore

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dam wat happened to me

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i had 362 res stones back then

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i had to buy res stones from ep shop the other day

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how did things get to this point

sinful anvil
#

is that rear

stable nymph
#

no

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that's michawk

sinful anvil
#

wth

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hawk was in deathblade?

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i thought he wasin neocrosser or w/e

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not neocrosser uhh

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if orog tname

stable nymph
#

idr

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that's an alt so who knows

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everyone had alts in other pvp guilds

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i miss old et hair

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of all the undeserved eve nerfs

#

that 1 went too far

mental rose
#

he even PT'd

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to chase u

#

eves man...

stable nymph
#

jesus the difference in multipliers was so crazy

mental rose
#

ngl

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the z-spitfire

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at the start

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where he falls through t he platform thte weiyan special

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got me alughing

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lOL

stable nymph
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rs rune does 900 dmg meanwhile eve dzz does 250+350

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then u got sord enchant to worry about...

sinful anvil
#

NAH THE EVES WERE SO FUNNY LOL

fiery lionBOT
#
noobsux has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

mental rose
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ok tbh

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when he has that frosbite roll

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on sword enchant

stable nymph
#

somehow eve went from being one of the heaviest hitting chars 2 tickle cannon...

mental rose
#

frostbite + pt + vit???

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i was running from that too LOL

#

altho

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rena couldn't outrun any1 except aisha (outside of sylph)

#

but i was def trying to avoid interacting wiht tha thting

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as muhc asp ossible..

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and the hcerry on top

#

is that he's wearing polar bear

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LOOL

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the trifecta

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frosbite + PT + VIT

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  • polarbear...
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jk thats 4 not 3

stable nymph
#

idk how they made it so costume stuff could change hitboxes

#

i remember eve had some combination of costumes/accessories that like str8up removed large parts of her hurtbox

twin pawn
#

that disgusting polar bear suit

mental rose
#

hold on

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u r sinning

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where

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are your mana goggle.........

twin pawn
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ate them

mental rose
#

inb4 this ihs where brian got it from

#

bad influence...

stable nymph
#

i was mana goggle heretic ya

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UGLY

mental rose
#

brian team w/ i nspire, suddenly he doesnt wanan wear mana goggles in 2s ........

stable nymph
#

like this was b4 wardrobe came out

mental rose
#

what r they teaching u in school...

stable nymph
#

and u c me in my fuzzy xmas...

mental rose
#

LOLL

stable nymph
#

but even in turkis i think i didnt mana goggles much

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i was 2 stubborn 2 play actual elsord so i just pretended like it was always time 4 neutral and got upset when i got slapped by spactive

mental rose
#

u shud have played wind sneaker

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😀

twin pawn
#

crazily enough ppl still act like that

stable nymph
#

i dont use mana goggles in 2024 elsord bc i assume everyone has mp anyways

mental rose
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safety sent me

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this weiyan polarbear xmas card...

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true artist

mental rose
#

eve

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had REALLY good

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special actives

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TBH IMS TILL SURPRISED WHEN U S AY THIS LOL

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2 me it is kkind of like

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if an aisha said "ya i was 2 stubborn to use special actives i wanted to use actives and play neutral"

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altho tbf brian was kinda like that

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but alaso u just kinda'

#

end up casting specials

#

did they make henir ezier

stable nymph
#

henir we used spactives sure but im not about 2 bring genocide ripper into pvp

sinful anvil
#

o no i meant

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current henir

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i cleared challenge last night but ivebn evr been able 2 clear challenege b4 bc no damage

#

LOL

sinful anvil
#

actually nah tbh i can c it

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in s1 espeically

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but in s1

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actives were rly good

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like every1 was running active ring

#

that seems like less of u being stubboirn n moreso u had accurate understanding of how b est 2 play the game, and then that changed when s2 rolled out

stable nymph
#

actually wot even in 2019 i didnt use mana goggles

sinful anvil
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nah ya i want 2 play els but just can't get over the massive input delay

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like unironically the game feels really good in the rest area

#

LOL

#

zzz

#

that sux

stable nymph
#

learn a new char from scratch under input delay so it feels normal ez

#

dank while i miss eve ^zs

#

i think i miss eve's electronballs even more

#

they r still there and psure unchanged but

#

they're just kinda unusable now

noble pelican
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I just roll with the punches and see how things go

abstract yacht
stable nymph
#

they made a purple char 4 ppl who found diabolic espr 2 hard i guess

mental rose
sinful anvil
#

going 2 c if the response time is any diff on kr...

stable nymph
sinful anvil
#

still patching πŸ’€

stable nymph
#

yeesh was about 2 get myself warned again but wat the how

#

game is tiny isnt it

sinful anvil
#

it ifnished

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ya i thought it was uspposed 2 b tiny

#

maybe its distance thing

sinful anvil
#

game keeps glitching out and crashing when trying 2 start. like it gets 2 the black box elsord client, then xpands and starts repeasting weird osund

#

the reolsution looks like ti smaller than my monitor tho maybe that y

#

bro teh fact they r still using nexon plug in 2024 πŸ’€

mental rose
#

yupp same exact delay on kr

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0.1s or 100 ms

#

feel like everytime i log on kr they're having a harmony festival

#

harmony festival 365 day a year..

#

also their sparring channel is kinda poppin LOL

#

that was kidna dpressing tho

#

my ws lvl 51 with same exact stats setup etc

#

like movign the character around it wa super clear this should b an ez v-step

#

but the game literally eats all of your freaking simultaneous inputs

#

so you luiterally can't v-step properly anymore

#

because it involves pressing <v and <^ simultaneously

mental rose
#

or not???

#

tbh that might not be right

#

scratch that

#

anyway delay is still there in kr as well, exact same as h ere

#

feels awful

#

🀒

stable nymph
#

r u sure simultaneous input stuff isnt like different and probably newer kb eating it instead

sinful anvil
#

if it's nto actually a 'simultaneous input' issue what might b happening

#

is that

#

im actually inputting up ^ first before my side direction, but when the keys are pressed at almost the exact time, like within 0.006 ms or w/e that number was, the input viewer will just sh ow both keys pressed at the same time

#

but it m ight be htat im pressing up before left/right and doing that

#

eats your up input now

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for whatever reason

#

im not 100% sure, buton this kr recording i set obs to 120fps and when i was doing v-step, i did 1 of those frame-perfect <^ after i buffered a previous <, and for whatever reason it didnt eat my input????

#

but bc it didn't eat my input, my rena actually responded on the screen, and she did the neutral jump first (it was like 1 frame) and then transitioned into an air dash???

#

so that means the up input mightve actually comef irst

#

idrk tho so i probly shouldnt yap about it 2 muhc LOL

#

but the 100 ms delay is crystal clear πŸ˜’

stable nymph
#

ngl i think after college i had more fun minmaxing gear than actualy playing the game so geeking out on this stuff is kinda lost on me...

#

im so envious of luciel getting 2 play with 2 sets

#

oh nevermind if u char swap u lose dvc buff LOL

#

nvm luciel is dead to me

sinful anvil
#

the 100ms inoput delay makes it a lot harder tho

#

to tell wh at's ogingo n

#

but

sinful anvil
sinful anvil
#

and i want 2 play els rn

#

but it just feels awful everytime i go in2 a dungeon or pvp LOL

stable nymph
#

did this 100ms thing just go from vague feeling of the game being kinda mushy on ur inputs 2 huge deal somehow

#

like u played hundreds of games im guessing b4 u realized wat was going on

sinful anvil
#

no it was a huge deal previously and was frustrating the hell out of me

#

and i knew something was not right it felt like crap, like i couldn't adjust the shape of my airdashes in response to what my opponent was doing,and it felt identical to

#

having pre-rendered frames set to either 3 or 4 back in 2012

#

except a bit worse

#

like I noticed what was happening and recognized it from before thats why is tarted messing with nvidia settings to try and

#

force

#

pre-rendered frames to 1

stable nymph
#

if kr has it i wonder wat the tryhard koreans said about it when it was implemented

sinful anvil
#

then i was like wait the pre-rendered frames are literally all set to 1

stable nymph
#

bc i cant imagine theyd have been happy about it

sinful anvil
#

yeah i wonder the same thing

#

it's wild to me that no krs would have noticed it, but then again i never saw anyone from NA mention it

#

and hell

#

brian even ttold me "mish the game is just faster now u gotta adjust"

#

when it was the exact opposite

#

and i've always geeked out over this stuff

#

i geeked out ab out t back in 2012 thats y i changed pre-rendered frames to 1

#

in the 1st place lOL

#

i asked kepler too and brushed it off like i twasnt a suiper big deal but said "in games like this ud ideally want it as low as possible"

#

but we are stuck on pre-render frames on steroids...

#

specifically what I noticed

#

is that I oculdn't change the sh ape of my dash lines

#

lik ethe angles

#

in response 2 what ppl were diong in realtime

#

and i notice that even if i press 3+ arrows, the line stays straight for suepr long time before your character responds 2 the new inputs

#

so ur stuck and cant make those super important micro adjustments that u used to be able to

#

and then u get blown up

#

LOL

#

and mind u previously, even if you pressed your up input before your dash input

#

the game wouldn't just eat your up input

#

you would jump

#

or in rena's case

#

you would double jump if u were already in there

#

which was more important in s1 because in s1 rena couldn't air dash out of a neutral jump (neither could aisha)

#

side note but ventus ost is rly nice

#

bgm*

#

but like

#

knowing that there is a 100ms dely

#

delay

#

has acutally helped me play better, lik wnow that i know what's going on

#

but it still feels like crap

sinful anvil
#

tbf tho the end result is that ppl spend more money on els

#

it may very well be intentional

#

LOL

sinful anvil
#

i noticed all of a sudden that I couldn't do >>^< <v>>zzz properly like i couldn't aim it properly the control wasn't there i kept messing it up

#

and that's something i do a LOT i was rly good at aiming it as recent as 2018

#

so I thought im just rustyy and i keep messign it up

#

so i went in training mode

#

and i sat at top of wally center for like 6+ hr on multipel dya spracticign that thing

fiery lionBOT
#
.skwrl. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

sinful anvil
#

uhh did it actually delete

#

or just leave it there

#

LOL

#

i was legit confused as heck

#

bc i couldn't get it down to wehre it felt like i had 100% control of it like before

#

but bro

#

it was because of the freakign 0.1s input delay

#

LOL

#

it was literally bc of that

#

i remember exactly how it felt too

#

it felt like I was sling shotting my rena in2 the platform every time i went for the >> ^zzz, as opposed to pressing the buttons in real time and control the movement as I go

#

it was the freaking delay bro 100 ms

#

lead to inconsistent outcomes

#

no matter how much i practiced it

#

and do u kno' what mechanically inconsistent outcomes mean?

#

mechanically inconsistent outcomes mean more variance in ur matches, which means ur more liekly 2 get randomed out by ppl u hve nobusiness being randomed out by adn feel like u dont have control over ur character or what u do in mathc,w hich means u r more likely 2 come to the conclsuion that the solution is to increase ur character power. And how do u increase ur character power??? by spending more time n MONEEIYYYIETYNEY CASH MOOLAHLAHLAHS 🀌 πŸ’°

#

I c the angle yung noobsux

#

all is becoming clear...

#

why else would it be an EXACT

#

exactly 100 ms

#

universal dela y???

#

they r just that incompetent? or they did it deliberately bro

#

didnt osmethig like that happen in sf4 when ti first dropped, there was somethign about them increasing input delay to add more variance to match outcomes or something? bro it just makes sense from a money perspective

#

@stable nymph you say you were inclined to play the game a certain way and werent' scumming enough, but think about the reason why you so set on playing the game a certain way in the first place? The feel of the game is legit your first encounter first experience with the game. You are always influenced by how the game feels whether ur cosncious of it or not

#

and back in teh day

#

we had a very snappy and responsive game, that made ppl feel naturally inclined to try and outplay their opponents bc they just intuitively felt like they could. You had a lot of ocntrol over ur cahracter

#

and tyh at's asopposed to feeling like the only u can win is to increase your character power directly by bumping your atk/def stats up, which u do by spending time and money on gear + enhancements

#

in the current version of els, the unresponsiveness of the game intuitively inclines people towards feeling like they have no mechanical control over there outcomes of their matches and that their only real option is to increase their character power by grinding and enhancing the heck out of their gear, aka spending more MONEY

#

and they're 100% correct in thinking that

#

because with a 100ms delay there is literally only so much u can do in certain situations, it's easy to put ppl in scenarios where they just don't have the space to respond it is wh ti tis

#

this is tinfoil hat hours

#

ok

#

but

#

bro

#

i th ink that's the angle that's the amtrix

#

matrix

#

look brian bro

#

+20

#

BRIAN

#

DEAHTRIAL

#

THAT 1

stable nymph
#

tbh with or without the 100ms thing they've been pushing hard into lowering the effective skill ceiling 2 a point where whales get 2 beat whaels

sinful anvil
#

and no wya thats just a coincidence

#

perfect nice number

#

it's not like

#

0.102038929048234 or soom,etihgn

#

game rusn at perfect 80

#

delay is a flat 8f

#

LOL

#

ya ok

#

mmmmhm

#

πŸ€” πŸ€”

#

its ok tho noobsux cuz u n me we speak korean

#

the tim ehas ocme

stable nymph
#

i rly dont think they implemented it with anything like that in mind

#

cud b plain incompetence

#

but if it was intentional i stil think it's a way 2 apologize 4 elsoed's netcode in a way that wudnt b too intrusive to vast majority of the playerbase

shell surge
#

I thought they changed the fps cap

#

To 75

#

For windows 8 users

sinful anvil
#

ifd its incompetence then tehyd idnt mean 2 and surely will fix if the realize their oopsie πŸ₯Ί

stable nymph
#

go send them a ticket

shell surge
#

Maybe if you play on a windows 8 pc you won’t realize Mishani

#

You won’t feel the input delay*

#

🀣

sinful anvil
stable nymph
#

and make it concise enough for underpaid overworked support agent who doesnt play the game to decide 2 kick it up the chain

sinful anvil
#

ok i will make a mixtape...

#

i got sony vegas trial version 30 day

shell surge
#

Don’t encourage this ecode

#

Bro is gonna waste his energy

stable nymph
sinful anvil
#

nah berri b ro noobsux BELIEVES I N ME

sinful anvil
shell surge
#

He might believe in u

#

He clearly doesn’t believe in kog

willow mural
#

Why does it look like that

shell surge
#

Here mish

willow mural
#

O nvm

#

2013

shell surge
#

@sinful anvil

image0.jpg
#

This is your way in

sinful anvil
#

THAGT PERSON IZ SK4MR HAKR

shell surge
#

Apply for the job

willow mural
#

Why do you have such an ancient screenshot wth 😭

shell surge
#

Get the interview

fiery lionBOT
#
.skwrl. has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

willow mural
#

11 years ago

shell surge
#

And hit them with the reverse interview

sinful anvil
#

LMAO

shell surge
#

What got deleted -.-

sinful anvil
#

LMAO with an F

shell surge
#

That’s the way I’d do it Mishani

#

Forget the CS chain

#

We reverse interviewing them

stable nymph
#

apie is a legend

shell surge
#

He asks you if you have any questions

#

Say yeah, actually. I do.

sinful anvil
stable nymph
shell surge
#

Kirbybalder.

sinful anvil
#

KIOL

stable nymph
sinful anvil
#

u kno

willow mural
#

Don't screw with bro they will hold a GRUDGE

sinful anvil
#

kepler

#

hated

#

all of t nonsensical typing

#

with a passion

stable nymph
#

idk maybe instead of submitting tickets u gotta post in kr forums

sinful anvil
#

he also ahted it when i typed in my crappy 'ebonics'

sinful anvil
#

WHAT I SAID

#

I WAS OGNAN DO

#

AND BERRI WAS LIKE

#

"lol tehy dont have forum" no berri bro they have forums

#

they still use nexon...

shell surge
#

No

#

I didn’t know

#

You meant Korea forums

#

I thought you were being a boomer

sinful anvil
#

O

#

nah bro i joined

shell surge
#

And after you said that I said it might get deleted but go ahead

sinful anvil
#

korean sparring channel

#

its 9pm over there

#

they have a full page

#

of rooms

#

crazy

stable nymph
#

2013 mish ebonics

shell surge
#

Can they buff Rena again

sinful anvil
#

PLZ

#

o thank god

shell surge
#

So true e code

sinful anvil
#

bro when i read my messgs from back then

#

i get top cringe LOOL

shell surge
#

He rly typed like he was 6’3 basketball player

sinful anvil
#

u know kepler

#

he won

#

the even thing

#

and got invited

#

to the almighty guild

#

but hten a bunch of inspire ppl were in there

#

typ1ng l1k3 th1s y3s saem

#

and he lewft

#

immediately

shell surge
#

Y did inspire tell Isaiah he could join if he beat Weiyan in bracket

sinful anvil
#

like the same day lOOOL

stable nymph
#

LOL

#

is keplr like a few yrs older than us

sinful anvil
#

kepler was so serious but so fu nny

#

yeah lOL

#

i think kep was like 23 or smth when we were 16/17

#

or 22 idr

stable nymph
#

figrs

sinful anvil
#

apparently he was a 'semi professional' cs player b4 hand

#

(i snoop his msn tags)

#

then i saw him playing bankrupt or w/e that game is with AT and i i thought he was aim botting

#

LOL

stable nymph
#

il have u know my eve is pink rn and i am almost top 500 support in overwatch

sinful anvil
#

or was it called heist

sinful anvil
stable nymph
#

dont mess w me i WILL find a duo and get him 2 mess u up :/

sinful anvil
#

i bleive u...

shell surge
#

R u gonna be enhancing will

#

With this event

#

O you probably have nothing to enhance

stable nymph
#

zilek made a couple +11 amulets and sold them

#

so i thought he could become the royal bank of inspire

#

but then he was rly feeling himself

shell surge
#

Is zilek graveWORLD

stable nymph
#

and rawdogged another +11 attempt with no hammers

#

ya

shell surge
sinful anvil
#

china rly has kog xposing themselves

shell surge
#

Did he end up going negative LOOL

sinful anvil
#

.76%

#

can u beleive it

#

LOL

stable nymph
#

i decided i shud probably make an amulet or 2 just in case

#

as an eve player im basicaly glued 2 the board anyways

sinful anvil
#

fr i pulle dup 2 ur down

#

board...

#

town*

stable nymph
#

i think after i do abyss stones my eve will b about as big as ppl can reasonably get in pvp without +12

#

but gearing 4 pve is long road...

shell surge
#

Ye abyss stones r @.@

#

I dropped one giant while clearing if u want to try ur luck.

stable nymph
#

LOL is ok im just planning on slowly doing the colored 1s over time

sinful anvil
#

1 giant

#

πŸ’€

#

singular

stable nymph
#

doing the yellows doesnt seem too painful

shell surge
#

Bro 1 giant can bring u crazy roll

#

How much does a giant even cost these days

sinful anvil
#

i gto 999 giant from rosso's w/ a fello rena player

shell surge
#

Bro these r the new giant

stable nymph
#

i think like 400m? i feel like abyss stone prices have been jumping a lot

shell surge
#

They’re giant abyss mystics

shell surge
stable nymph
#

like 1 moment the colored 1s are at 20m

sinful anvil
#

ye bro but if htey have same rng as rrosso giants..

shell surge
#

And drive the price up

stable nymph
#

ya...

#

they removed some worthles lines from abyss pool

sinful anvil
#

btw

stable nymph
#

so it's slightly less painful

shell surge
#

O did they

#

Thank god