rings absolutely completely just expired n gone
#pvp
celest ore
kindred frost
I DO TOO MAN WHY COULDNT THEY JUST GIVE ME THE BLACK HAIR LOOK AT THAT, THATS GORGEOUS
SOMEONE SAVE ME, I NEED SAVING
celest ore
i still have some dyes left in my inventory but im saving them for bribes
i mean what
twin pawn
i still have some dyes left in my inventory but im saving them for bribes
surprise punch
celest ore
😭 the violence spreads
kindred frost
im hope I can +11 my glove, its a 10
I spent my free ehancement stuff on it so far
cyan pine
Eventually you get to a point were you turn into a pve main who dabbles in pvp honestly free mats on pvp armor but nothing more it's not worth it
And eventually they'll release a new pvp armor to upkeep with the next meta/weapon
kindred frost
darn I really never thought of that
this is all so gross
like I dont make enough from ym job to affford bills and the new elsword craze
i believe the majority population of this game is nostalgic adults now
I really wish more accomodates were made to help the average consumer afford nice things
I hate how these short windows of time to buy things essentially forces our hand or makes us miss out
The mentality I try to follow is:
"dont trip over buying anything on this game, work on your irl so youre at the point where you have a high paying job you spend disposible income for the game"
cyan pine
Well change that mentality to make enough money to save/invest so you don't have to work even if that means not using income on any games
Easier said then done but retire quickly so you don't have to work till your 67-70
kindred frost
true > income then savings > enterainment is best
everyone enroll in your 401ks at whatever job yall
you can roller them over or put them into iras
these years be going by fast
kindred frost
You know this is random (idk im in my feelings rn), but I really appreciate you guys for taking what I say seriously. Like ive been called stupid, an attention seeker, or like "um this is an elsword server" and I get that but I feel like really constructive topics can be had anywhere and life advice is golden.
Im glad you guys like my sense of humor, my openness and my emotional sensitivity, thank you for respecting what many people have picked on and exploited for years it means a lot.
cyan pine
I mean your still an eve main and as an add main that kinda makes up for the non respect aspect lol
fiery lionBOT
arkspine has been warned
empty ore
Im too old to give a poop anymore.
kindred frost
I mean your still an eve main and as an add main that kinda makes up for the non...
MORTAL ENEMIES
nah i get that, esp being a CA main
ca crazy as heck rn
literally he onyl way to beat CA on mp
Gear, Tank, Awk, Nuke with Maxipad Strike
kindred frost
whats ur ign?
cyan pine
SaltTracer
dull forum
Not worth at all cuz there's always some1 who's geared broken champ + good at the game
Wait dub fit
I'm a fan
mystic elbow
Thanks king
stable nymph
atm id imagine +11 doesnt feel too different from +12 against classes without significant durability passives because everything dies instantly anyways
pvp is clown fiesta with people having infinite mp and just trading 1-2taps but gear specifically doesnt feel like as much of an issue as bak in foj era when +11 armor just made some folks effectively unkillable
empty ore
Yeh it wasn't until Vos became commonplace that I felt I had to upgrade gear.
mystic elbow
i forgot what made me want to get vos
empty ore
+9 elrianode and then Rigi did it's job well
I just bit the bullet. I was like a year behind everyone else. And it felt bad playing this game without progressing
stable nymph
I wasnt around for vod release but the period before rigomor was probably the worst ive experienced
with 11 elrianode i was healing via eve v and core refund about as fast as most people could put damage on me aka basically godmode
abstract yacht
never liked rigo in pvp
cuz none of them had aspd besides violet but I wasn't going to build 2 rigo armors so I just stuck with elri til duelist
stable nymph
elrianode was probably when it became commonplace to enhance armors
kindred frost
I kinda don’t like how they make new gears and they become obselete so fast
mystic elbow
elrianode was.. something lol.
kindred frost
I like what they’re doing with tenebroud
stable nymph
way bak in the day file modding cheaters would claim they werent taking any dmg because they had +9 armor
mystic elbow
literally only useful if it was +9 or higher
but at least purple tears were significantly cheaper
but then like rigo u had ppl that were just crazy tanky
stable nymph
+1k flat stat per piece for reforge is kinda crazy
abstract yacht
446k HP heal
that's kinda wild for pvp considering the heal numbers are so meme in pvp
kindred frost
kindred frost
To that
buoyant folio
heheh
kindred frost
Tbh I got bodies in 2s tonight too
buoyant folio
😔 Joe..wari da
mental rose
way bak in the day file modding cheaters would claim they werent taking any dmg ...
beth did that
and i believed him so ez
LOL
probly alaso cuz it was IP so like thematically 💀
stable nymph
wait rly beth? i think he quit b4 the hackr era
mental rose
no he was there at the beginning
i had no idea until years
yeeaaars later
when safety told me
ye he was def modding
adn it clicked
LOL
he'd take so much less dmg than other IP's, and when I would ask him on skype he'd bne like "ye i have +9 armors"
LOL
stable nymph
he was ahead of his time ig
mental rose
it was early s2
stable nymph
i just remember dragoniet doing it
mental rose
yeah a bunch of ppl were doing it, bro i was so naive i thought every1 was playing legit and just +'ing thier armors 💀
stable nymph
was beth some 1v1 man
mental rose
ya he'd 1v1 a lottt
id get him a ton
and i would usually beat him but he was a lot harder bc of how beefy he was
also divineninja had his painkiller title modded
💀
stable nymph
im prety sure it wasnt that common or at least they werent doing it 2 same degree as dragonite
rly
twin pawn
😔 Joe..wari da
fat
stable nymph
i thought we were pretty good as susing ppl out but idr thinking divineninja was doing anything funny
buoyant folio
fat
stable nymph
didnt he quit in s1 too
mental rose
yeah a bunch of ppl were doing it, bro i was so naive i thought every1 was playi...
i legit did not realize it was happenign until safety and co broke it down for me later, but i DID notice
dragonite
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
that guy did not care LOL
stable nymph
i mightve been prety insulated from it because i didnt do 1s and teams was usually inhouse
mental rose
wasnt s2 ap tier capped
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
mental rose
er they legit removed 3s LOL
o ya
i thought 3s were popping
as soon as s2 hit
cuz they removed 2v2
mental rose
tbh i think i believed +9 armor nonsens so ez because a lot of the ppl modding were the peeps we had known for entire s1 so it wa sjus tliek o ok
dam +9 armors are rly it
stable nymph
wait wait who else was doing it bc im like
stable nymph
very certain i wouldve noticed bc i was numbers nerd tallying up dmg ppl take to see if it summed up to reasonable amount of hp
mental rose
3s were going crazy LOL. Everyone in s1 who liked to do 2v2 had to find new ppl
bc they removed 2v2
fiery lionBOT
noobsux has been warned
stable nymph
oops
mental rose
very certain i wouldve noticed bc i was numbers nerd tallying up dmg ppl take to...
uhhh
stable nymph
those ppl didnt know their titles were client sided so they'd socket dmg instead of 40% red dmg
so it shudv been rly easy to spot
mental rose
those ppl didnt know their titles were client sided so they'd socket dmg instead...
yeah but idt u could see
other people's sockets
stable nymph
like dragonite was visibly taking like 2-3x more dmg than ppl cud actually have hp
mental rose
like dragonite was visibly taking like 2-3x more dmg than ppl cud actually have ...
ROFL
stable nymph
u cudnt see their sockets but when u see ur normals doing 1.5x the dmg they do on other ppl
and yet the guy isnt dying
u can kinda tell somethings fishy
mental rose
ya i didnt play super close attention to the exact numbers during actual match and put 2 n 2 together
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
twin pawn
(they removed 3s bc nobody plays the mode anymore)
stable nymph
i didnt use mana goggles much so i cudnt tell if ppl were modding pk
stable nymph
but im prety sus of ppl thinking every1 is cheatrs
sinful anvil
i didnt use mana goggles much so i cudnt tell if ppl were modding pk
they could mod
any title
fiery lionBOT
noobsux has been warned
sinful anvil
watch out LOOL
sinful anvil
idk but i got banned for "wtH" except F instead of H
celest ore
s1 players in here getting owned by the bot
twin pawn
bot will smack you for swearing even in acronyms
stable nymph
but ya i remember tons of ppl thought micgret wer doing funny wots business
fiery lionBOT
wynnter has been warned
sinful anvil
i didnt use mana goggles much so i cudnt tell if ppl were modding pk
they could mod any title, it's j ust they'd swap the stats for w/e. And DivineNinja in particular had either his pk or his btb modded
twin pawn
oh right i cant swear
celest ore
LOL
sinful anvil
but ya i remember tons of ppl thought micgret wer doing funny wots business
i remember that 2
twin pawn
s1 players in here getting owned by the bot
BUM
celest ore
😭😭
stable nymph
regrets partner was rly playing ahead of his time
sinful anvil
a few ppl thought that michawk and regret had weird mp going on, or that cd's were beign messed with
but the thing is
stable nymph
no fancy bsns just beating u down with playing around overpowered system
sinful anvil
the reason why people were so sus of that stuff
is because apparently there was a huge modding surge going on and tons of pplwere doing it
LOL
celest ore
wait hold up why are old players coming back all of a sudden
twin pawn
stockholm syndrome
celest ore
free +11 caught everyones attention?
twin pawn
stockholm syndrome
stable nymph
i think lots of people thought i had some mystical damage hax 2
celest ore
stockholm syndrome
real
stable nymph
tbf i did like 40% of ppls hp in like meb in s1 on wind proc LOL
sinful anvil
is this chat ban perma lol
celest ore
nah
sinful anvil
i think lots of people thought i had some mystical damage hax 2
no 1 with brain thought u had dmg hax
but ppl who actually had brain
twin pawn
no but if u keep doing it the punishment gets longer
stable nymph
i was bored and my guildm8s wanted to say hi 2 our guild leader who we know stil logs on from time to time
twin pawn
im p sure it can go up to a week
sinful anvil
were pointing out a lot of sus stuff in s2..
stable nymph
then senaairi scammed will into playing and then he scammed the rest of us
celest ore
💀
sinful anvil
tbyh in s1 wat was it that made eve so good w/ add dmg in sparring channel
twin pawn
no swearing or mee6 comes into your house and eats your family
stable nymph
oberon guard was 600%/tick for 4 ticks
fiery lionBOT
quannix has been warned
stable nymph
meb was 1k%+
sinful anvil
TBH it was probly the eves mostly
twin pawn
flop
celest ore
real
stable nymph
i did a lot of labbing and most ppl i talked 2 were eves
but im prety sure i wasnt the one who found out add dmg was busted
sinful anvil
u and will were our 1st encounter with
the "sparring channel eve" phenomenon
was rly weird cuz we felt like we should b winning these but for w/e reason
we kept getting blown up
and lameduck had like
stable nymph
i think we also did labbing to find out that dot from fire and poison was rly funny in sparring
sinful anvil
board costumes and a respawn ring LOOOL
sinful anvil
i think we also did labbing to find out that dot from fire and poison was rly fu...
that was super clear from the kr hero tourny footage
every single 1 of them had fire/poison 💀
and it was demolishing ppl
also apparently dr4gonite had his luna cds modded
stable nymph
add dmg was just good in general in sparring tho, i think arena was where eve felt even more opresive
like cem can kill ppl in way less than 20 hits
sinful anvil
ik ling and i felt fien vs eve in arena, but sparring ch was crazy
i mean ppl
still died fast
stable nymph
aka if i do 1s with rof i just 1tap ppl b4 they can manabreak 0 counterplay
sinful anvil
in general
stable nymph
at least in s1
stable nymph
that's arena 2...
at least after elympics
at +7 weapons sure arena felt kinda sane
stable nymph
s2 was era of aire spurt right
sinful anvil
but sparring channel eve just felt extra hard 2 deal w/, tbh it might have been because
i didnt bother stacking add dmg or anything
stable nymph
i literaly dont remember any non s1 ppl from s2 era bc i just thought they were all undeserving 2 play against us LOL
sinful anvil
so my dmg was good in arena, but in spar i didnt have add dmg to make it on par w/ everything else
sinful anvil
s2 was era of aire spurt right
ya
sinful anvil
i literaly dont remember any non s1 ppl from s2 era bc i just thought they were ...
u remember
pandes
stable nymph
ryan doing video of playing ws literally afk only coming back 2 press airelina on cd and winning was like
, _ `
ya
sinful anvil
pandes, sibyla, shuggs etc were rly good in s2
tbh
o and
saphy
LOL
welkl
saphy went psurt
sprut
spurt
sinful anvil
when i teamed w/ pandes + shuggs it was practically unbeatable LOL
stable nymph
ig nw was god for a bit
stable nymph
what was shuggs again
sinful anvil
but pandes GA was legitimately cracked
sinful anvil
what was shuggs again
tactical trooper 
stable nymph
o
fiery lionBOT
noobsux has been warned
sinful anvil
but pandes was actually ahead of his time on GA there was literally no 1 else. Like freezing arrow was 1 of the only anti stoic skills was doing crazy stuff with it
rip
meee6 terminating every1...
celest ore
the elimination is crazy
twin pawn
mee6 spawned in his house and ate his family
celest ore
LOL
mental rose
y di dthey give every1 subliminal rage...
empty ore
Yeah they did give everyone subliminal rage
And its because they kept making these 1 bead characters
Who reawk'd for bonuses
sinful anvil
Who reawk'd for bonuses
they gutted rena’s awk bonus in the process ~_~
empty ore
What did they nerf on that again?
empty ore
cyan quail
Tragedy
mystic elbow
they gutted rena’s awk bonus in the process ~_~
🤣 🫵
sinful anvil
is just bad decisions like devs clearly dk what they r doing. Remove a long-time bandaid fix for the character without addressing any of the underlying issues, n ur left w a character that just feels crappy to play at base
mystic elbow
gutting 75 mp on awk is a good decision idk
cyan quail
Rena's MP gain is pretty underwhelming, with the exception of DaB since she has a no MP cost arrow active or you're arrowing two people at the same time
PR is also the only one out of all with KD management
Both of these issues are just exacerbated on TW which is why she's on such a bad spot
Awk nerf is definitely a good thing but she's still lacking in MP gain. It's particularly noticeable if you play more than one character and compare how much you get for comboing
Rena is not bad (except for TW) but also not great rn, idt any of them even make it to God tier as of rn
cyan pine
the fact that flame lord still has homing during awakening dispite reawakening being a thing CC still having a passive that lets him get WHOLE awaken beads by using Speical actives is just crazy to me
dull forum
🤣 🫵
Smoking that Rena nerf pack
It's forces toobtw
Haunting spirit fog shatter etc
Cna give him a random bead
Lel
mystic elbow
blame nextact
ever since he said 75 mp on awk wasnt that much
i wanted to see that rena char gutted
dull forum
Flowchart prenerf
cyan quail
Would love some changes for the other Renas, but PR is fine as is imo
dull forum
ever since he said 75 mp on awk wasnt that much
Mana break into fast wake up awk
@mystic elbow
I hate suryabtw
cyan pine
Would love some changes for the other Renas, but PR is fine as is imo
PR fine lmao good one honestly increase CD on her mana steal skill no way should she be able to take 20 mana every 4 seconds
atleast 8-10 seconds
cyan pine
and nerf her homing beads like they did Dabs speical active arrows if they dont hit as soon as cast they disappear
cyan quail
I mean that's almost completely irrelevant for 2s
dull forum
PR fine lmao good one honestly increase CD on her mana steal skill no way should...
Guard died so sticky ink could live
cyan quail
If you mean 1s that's an entire different argument
cyan pine
im a 1's gamer
cyan quail
There are so many things that need nerfing in 1v1 that honestly ur better off just letting everything as is
dull forum
Wut
cyan quail
Ink is the least of ur worries
cyan pine
ink is a worry speically if she gets you on a ledge
with the insta ledge reset
20 mana every 4 seconds
dull forum
Just scum them bro lol
cyan quail
Everyone can get to their win condition so easily in 1s
dull forum
😹
cyan pine
Platformer game > homing catches with freeze frame> character diff cause add has no freeze frame awaken> dont get pushed to ledge lmao
cyan pine
the i frame on pluse is not enough to trade
cyan quail
There are so many things you just can't play around, like MPx having two MP bars and keeping your MP in check, Shakti unreactable escape skilling into killing you with a Tenacity, GS being almost completely unpunishable due to stoic on awaken
mystic elbow
Pull a ryxma
thats what they doin now?
cyan quail
And ur over here complaining Abt an active bro
dull forum
thats what they doin now?
Always been
cyan pine
when the active can steal a whole mana breaks worth of mana
cyan quail
I don't disagree it could get a nerf but it's so far down the priority list
cyan pine
sure will
cyan quail
20=100?
cyan pine
she can get atleast 2-3 off before you break from feed
60-80 and yes 100 or more
depending
cyan quail
You're also disregarding it costs MP to press, sure ur still there but she's also going negative off it
fiery lionBOT
shennae has been warned
cyan quail
1s is such a bad mode tho
I could name so many more things that id get more annoyed by than speed ink
PR neutral being higher than it
cyan pine
with 35% mpr she spends 20 mana to steal 20 mana
mystic elbow
just about every char in 1s is egregious
cyan pine
she breaks even
dull forum
He has no nootch:/
mystic elbow
:/
cyan pine
can they remove iron body commands a whole
dull forum
dull forum
Can they give me 75 mp on awk
I'm still so ahh mad about tac field
Not ever getting nerfed
Getting chased down by the cent for 13 seconds joy
sinful anvil
And ur over here complaining Abt an active bro
an active on rena 💀
bbiggest rena fix = fix her standing Z
that thing is attrocious sice renewal
instead of pivoting on front foot to get proper distance, she moonwalks in place and the result is a Z with virtually no range on it
like actually nonexistent range
n thats base kit
sinful anvil
that sort of thing is whar makes the char feel bad to play imo, f all the balance stuff this game way too wild for any of that LOL
sinful anvil
U can ledge stall wit it tho :^}
u could do that before, thats just a product of it having 0 knockback
dull forum
Gg go next just stomp 🗣️
sinful anvil
yea stomping better ledge stall than z, ledge stomp been the ledge stall since like 2014..
but u remove knockback on something like >>^Z, now all of a sudden rena cant take ledges with >>^z if some1 standing on it, just rly weird changes from some1 who def dowsnt play elsord..
thats y the whole cast now has subliminal rage 😂
sinful anvil
can they remove iron body commands a whole
protection creep on normals is crazy
and its not even like
punishable protection
its Just Do it 100% safe buttons LOL
Iruhana aussie special hold angkor…
empty ore
I'm still so ahh mad about tac field
Oh my god this nonsense still gets me. Holy Declaration was annoying sure. But Tac field is still dumber.
empty ore
No, not really.
They get 20mp back from the inital hit. 24 back over time. 160 or less with mpr.
cyan quail
U can ledge stall wit it tho :^}
Z stalling has got to be one of the worst mp/kd ratios
At that point fast stomping into resetting w skills is much better
Biggest Rena fix imo is first changing projectiles as a whole, make them not count as double MP gain when hitting more than one target
And then they can decrease arrow MP consumption or increase its gain
Idt they're going to rework commands as a whole unless it's one of the newer characters or they make another renewals
sinful anvil
ya
mystic elbow
Cent uses tactical field n i swear im stopped for a year
sinful anvil
they busted up her commands w renewals
mystic elbow
And get caught
sinful anvil
then didnt toucj
mystic elbow
:/
sinful anvil
jk they randomly came bakc
and made stomp have the giant linger, then gutted >>^z and dipped
LOL
ITS JUST SO WEIRD
cyan quail
Yeah her kick hitboxes are non-existent unless it's the lingering on >>Z
Also I love how for the past 3-4 seasons in KR there's only been PRs in top 100
And very few of them at that
cyan quail
Rena is not bad (except for TW) but also not great rn, idt any of them even make...
Like this basically explains why, utility characters have to put in a lot more effort than nukebots in 2v2
sinful anvil
PR for greasing, AN/TW on side cuz u like rena 🙄
cyan quail
It's definitely doable on PR, just not a good feeling at all
I stopped jcing around all Renas once I realized only PR was being taken for PvE
Unless ur DPS
Idk why they focused so much on making her the most dominant one out of them
So much so that even after nerfs she's still relevant
Meanwhile Eve rankings
sinful anvil
y AN have the worst normals out of all…
cyan quail
There's even a cheeky CEs up there
mystic elbow
cuz charging mp on any char is stupid
cyan quail
Aisha did need to get gutted, idk why Rena became collateral tho
sinful anvil
u cant clock if youre standing in place for 8 seconds just to charge 15mp LOL
thats some1 doing something wrong
mystic elbow
my class dont do it so remove it 
cyan quail
I'm all for balance, it's just disengenous when they do it like this
sinful anvil
^
mystic elbow
given how KR is
if they removed Aisha mp clock
they'd 100% complain
that Rena's wasn't also removed
mystic elbow
the only rena that had decent clocking was dyb anyway
sinful anvil
how do u not give the melee rena
mystic elbow
in exchange TW is now just awful to play on
cyan quail
Yeah that's part of the reason why we're not getting any KD reduction tool, because ZZ up Z and >>ZZ do work in KR
Also TW isn't as garbage there since she can ZXXX into >>ZZ
sinful anvil
theyre still scuffed in kr Z range is an actually stub
mystic elbow
plus KR tends to not change anything unless ppl complain about it
if no KR players complain about Z range then its never getting changed
buoyant folio
How about we meet the KR community themselves
Nerf*
We gotta think outside the box....
dark wind
q 2s
stable nymph
can kr eves ask for nerfs to her zzz speed
my fingers r too old to autocombo
i feel like sariel shud b contender for strongest eve despite low representation on board
can just deny interactions to delay team going to 2deaths more reliably than the other eves which is probably more valuable than being able to win more wen u r already winning
mystic elbow
she is the strongest eve rn
stable nymph
nah id win
kindred frost
Start alttabbing
AAAAAAA
cyan quail
KR will never know bc they don't have CS players
And the few ones don't even bring Particle Ray
sinful anvil
my fingers r too old to autocombo
it not our fingers too old, it that atk spd scalingup 999% and this game’s input buffer has been butchered since renewal…
i have trouble pressing zzz sometimes LOL
and u used to br able to adjust this in nvidia setting by changing virtual pre rendered frames but that doesnt work anymore zzzz
dull forum
sinful anvil
so if u put it to 2 or 3 u cud buffer inputs, putting it to 1 removed it, now it seems like perma 1…
abd ya classic kr devs ignoring NA input so we never get to havw our feedback incoprorated ib2 game -_-
lameeeee
dark wind
can kr eves ask for nerfs to her zzz speed
with fs?
empty ore
And the few ones don't even bring Particle Ray
Bruh new particle ray makes me feel like I'm dealing with old needles cutting
stable nymph
ngl i have enough trouble even without aspd titles
sinful anvil
ngl i have enough trouble even without aspd titles
is it just me, or
does it seem a lot harder to frame 1 special activ...
mystic elbow
When was the last time u played
sinful anvil
like 2021-ish i think, but that's not what im comparing to
im htinking like pre-2016 renewals i think 💀
mystic elbow
In both times iirc action speed affected hitstun
sinful anvil
ya it did
mystic elbow
Since they patched that youre probably not mashing out special actives
As easily unless someone low alts or makes a crazy mistake
sinful anvil
oh yeah during combos i get that
i meant like
say u use a skill with invuln and someone is trying to stuff your invuln with a multi hit attack
i should b able to frame 1 mash specials or awakening or smth
especially now
sinful anvil
cuz ik a lot of these new skills have invulnerability from literal frame 1, they dont seem to put startup on a lot of them anymore
stable nymph
uhh is that synonomous with mashing
bc ya mashing isn't as egregious as it was before
o ya u said mash 2
i think they wanted to make it so skills couldn't be straightup canceled because ppl dont enjoy tanking u for 300mp only 2 have their instawin button meatied
and they also went around nerfing a lot of mashes bc game would be way too toxic otherwise
but im fairly certain not all mashes were pwned equally
twin pawn
I see what youre saying
stable nymph
like my understanding of how old mashing worked is that even if ur skill gets canceled on ur screen, the skill gets 2 come out on theirs bc their client miet not register u getting hit immediately after casting skill in time 4 it to b canceled
ofc if u were visibly out of the animation bc u were busy being hitstunned and the skill dpeends on u being in a particular animation to have an active hitbox, it wouldnt work, so it was mostly 4 skills that had hitboxs independetn of ur char's animation (also y mashing got increasingly more egregious over time bc they started getting too lazy to attach hitboxs 2 animations and just made more and more skills where u just pose and then big hitbox comes out)
im guessing they reduced mashing by increasing the startup b4 the uncancelabl summoned hitbox comes out which gives time 4 other ppl 2 register ur thing got canceled or just making it check that u r in fact still posing, but some mashes r definitely still in the game and im suspecting is just the actives that have a relatively fast posing animation aka uncertainty from delay makes it so sometimes opponents see u finish enough of the pose 4 hitbox 2 come out 4 them
kindred frost
it not our fingers too old, it that atk spd scalingup 999% and this game’s input...
I KNEW IT WASNT MY FAULT DROPPING COMBOS AND MOVING WEIRD
I KNEW
NOTHING IS EVER MY FAULT
stable nymph
my fingers are too old tho
kindred frost
I used number pad to move idk if that’s better or worse
stable nymph
remember to force ur kids into piano if u want them to not embaras themselves as elsoed players into old age
kindred frost
LMAOOO
stable nymph
it doesnt make a difference
kindred frost
Imagine a parent actually do that
stable nymph
but numpad has some of ur fingers dangerously close to the button that makes u start typing
kindred frost
“I can’t having you getting clowned like I did on elsword”
“Dad what’s elsword?”
kindred frost
but numpad has some of ur fingers dangerously close to the button that makes u s...
Yeah I removed it
stable nymph
imagine ur kid not even knowing their own name
unless ofc u name ur kid something else but why wud u
dark wind
like my understanding of how old mashing worked is that even if ur skill gets ca...
The whole mashing thing mainly applies to actives but it also depends on the character
fiery lionBOT
.nuri has been warned
dark wind
Chung is one of the characters that either gets the mash or screwed entirely because of heavy stance
DA especially is one of the characters that still has storaging or mashing
kindred frost
Alternate reality: we all quit elsword
empty ore
I KNEW IT WASNT MY FAULT DROPPING COMBOS AND MOVING WEIRD
Its also bad if you dont play in full screen.
empty ore
Alternate reality: we all quit elsword
Real alternate reality. Eve never saved Elsword and the game died in 2011
stable nymph
Its also bad if you dont play in full screen.
huh wat does fullscreen do
buoyant folio
destroy your life
mental rose
itz ez fix if u could j ust buffer z or x or w/e before the actual
also if u input a side direction + up simultaneously, the up input wont register 😐
i think that's what has been making >>^z feel so wonky
i couldn't put my finger on it b4 but i figured it out
~_~
used to be that if u input >^ at the exact same time, u get a perfect dash jump
now if u input them at exact same time, u just dash, up input completely dropped...
sinful anvil
like my understanding of how old mashing worked is that even if ur skill gets ca...
it was actually
mental rose
the opposite order
mental rose
like my understanding of how old mashing worked is that even if ur skill gets ca...
in regard 2 increasing startup frames on skills. There was a period of time pre-renewals where almost every skill in the game had start up frames that u could be hit out of. Then they deliberately went and added extra startup frames on everyone's dodge skills (like backflip shot, photon blink, shadow strafe etc). After renewals they swapped back to giving all those dodge skills invuln from frame 1 and made all majority of the specials invuln from frame 1 as well.
And ya the part about them no longer attaching hitboxes 2 animations is a huge part of why so many characters just don't feel good to use normals on rn. It's egregiously lazy and tbh I genuinely don't know why they decided to overhaul every single character's animations if they were going to be so sloppy with it. The work of accurately attaching hitboxes 2 the animations of characters' normals was already done, but for whatever reason they went back and tried 2 redo them all. the result is all this current jank
then they added all the extra flashy particle effects to cover it up but bro...
feel liek it was especially bad with rena. All of her kicking normals had their hitboxes very precisely attached to the keyframes in her animations
that's y we've been stuck with this since 2016
LOL
hitboxes aren't mapped 2 the keyframes of the SDK animation, so they come out at the exact same speed no matter how fast or slow u are and makes the skill just feel terrible to use
mental rose
jk the renewals did in fact change the normals 😒
shell surge
Renewals screwed the game
heavy spear
i remember when special actives didn't come out on frame 1 and they could get interrupted, so you would spend the mana but they wouldn't come out
dusty pelican
noble pelican
empty ore
huh wat does fullscreen do
Input latency
You have less on fullscreen compared to windowed mode
mental rose
contrast that SDK
with this one
^ It's such a crisp skill, hitboxes are mapped perfectly onto the animation. Doesn't matter how slow or fast u are, the hitboxes are attached to the key frames of the kicking animation, so they always correspond with your actual kicks. Incredibly reliable but not only that, this skill feels good to use bc they took the time to setup the hitboxes properly
nice and repsonsive
mental rose
this is just slop man...
mental rose
if they didn't prevent attack speed from affecting your hit stun, this would miss everytime bc the kicking animation and hitboxes are completely separate. It feels clunky and unresponsive bc the hitboxes to map onto the animation at all, it's just gross. A lot of skills and normals are like this now, that's the issue...
oh and bonus points, if you ^Z on Rena, her ^Z cancels before she hits the ground and she enters free-fall animation, so it messes up ^z >z confirms bc she's literally in midair. If you press ^ you will literally double jump after ^z before hitting the ground. Like...
Literally no one asked them 2 do this LOL
abstract yacht
i remember when special actives didn't come out on frame 1 and they could get in...
even back then it depended on skill.
Pandemonium for its entire existence always stored.
oblique sundial
oh i didnt even realize we got a duelist weapon now
kindred frost
i remember when special actives didn't come out on frame 1 and they could get in...
that was such an ugly era
kindred frost
jk the renewals did in fact change the normals 😒
im so glad they're putting good use to the money we pour into this game
stable nymph
You have less on fullscreen compared to windowed mode
so ppl who dont have widescreen monitors have to choose between playing with lower input latency which gets them resolution checked and playing in windowed widescreen res which makes the game feel less responsive?
celest ore
technically true i guess,
though the difference in responsiveness depends on many factors and may not even be a thing in elsword
stable nymph
on that note resolution affecting how much of the map u can c is like
absolutely disgusting
celest ore
you're a returning player right? might not have seen much on this but
it's actually capped at 21:9 now
previously there was technically nothing stopping you from using three of these
mystic elbow
previously there was technically nothing stopping you from using three of these
average aisha player monitor
celest ore
REAL
stable nymph
like even then it still seems pretty whack
celest ore
so ppl who dont have widescreen monitors have to choose between playing with low...
could also potentially try custom resolutions
stable nymph
4 example i can see the entire map from this spot
meanwhile some1 playing on more normal reso can't see anything on the right side
mystic elbow
like even then it still seems pretty whack
it does still work
21:9 is still widescreen
u just cant do anything crazy like 31:9
celest ore
i think everyone whos really into pvp now runs 21 9 in some capacity
stable nymph
ya even at 21:9 it's still more than enough to resolution check ppl not on 21 9
stable nymph
u literally cant play the game in tryhard format because if someone knows u cant see past certain point, they're just going 2 hyper accel and offscreen u from ur blind spot...
knotty kraken
i still run 16:9
stable nymph
throwing...
celest ore
ur laby doesnt count
knotty kraken
who am i sniping as etw
celest ore
but yeah its interesting kog decided on 21:9 as the standard for pvp, but ultrawide monitors are pretty popular in kr after all
stable nymph
with proper reso u cud pop hyper accel + stoic and yeet urself in on people...
mystic elbow
how red heads feel after catching someone higher than them with >>^XX
celest ore
real
stable nymph
idk wats worse, the fact that resolution matters or that hitboxes + movement + delays have become so whack that being able to see entire map actually matters
sometimes ill see someone basically half a map away push a super armor button
and i can kill them for it
mystic elbow
it was that n the aisha's 
stable nymph
pvp should count 4 my tirnog dailies bc it is saem clown world nonsense
celest ore
imagine getting delayed on by a claymore or something stupid
and then getting nuked from across the entire map by penetrating bullet
thats me
thats my mn strategy
stable nymph
does claymore delay reach that far
celest ore
https://youtu.be/uvRrGeVa37M idk if you can tell from vid but things like a whole awk
i need to practice mn more fr
bol hasnt been around to maximize her menace potential smh
stable nymph
well wat i mean is dont delays have relatively small rnage compared 2 big skills
celest ore
oh you mean like that
stable nymph
if they are across the map and u push a delay they aren't going 2 b delayed so u might as well just rawdog ur button
celest ore
yeah uhhh
about that
minerva nukes with this button which travels a very long distance across any straight line https://youtu.be/tSLk4CMke4A
so as like as you have a general idea of where person is theyre gonna get clipped
stable nymph
i wonder if widescreen affects range from which u can hear sounds
celest ore
good question actually, genuinely not sure
stable nymph
like if u can hear the PENETRATING BYULET u can just push another button and b safe
but if it's just not something they can tell is coming then that's pretty toxic LOL
stable nymph
if ur out of the delay range wouldnt u be safe and able to respond with ur own buttons until the bullet actually gets 2 u
celest ore
yeah ig so
i just play 1s though so i don't get the biggest maps
like nope bridge is still in 2s right?
stable nymph
i think so ya
celest ore
yeah thats been gone from 1v1 for quite some time
basically what im saying is playing against mn on castle rooftop is miserable
and playing as mn is hilarious
honestly it's my favorite nuke in the game, only "held back" by being a bravery
""held back""
stable nymph
like i think the gross thing about getting reso checked is less so buttons with infinite range and like
more due 2 things like hyper accel and certain char's movement allowing them to near instantly go from
outside of 16:9 reso screen
to within their own effective range
b4 the person with 16:9 reso can react
celest ore
oh yeah absolutely
i mean as i've demonstrated in that clip i posted above if you really want and have the loadout for it and can control the speed you can just
awk and appear behind anybody on the map anywhere
though es is an extreme example of course
i dont think anyone else can get quite that fast
stable nymph
jesus shattered earth goes past my own screen 2
celest ore
hell coming at people ridiculously fast from off screen before they can do anything is like subconsciously my entire es strategy
stable nymph
but ya it can rly be as simple as seeing someone u have reso advantage over at the edge of ur screen and just dashing into range to push a delay and go from there
chars with dash z that move them forward + can be canceled into skil are like exceptionally gross with that
celest ore
it can be real easy to tell when you have reso advantage sometimes 💀
which is also something
stable nymph
like eve can be a quarter of a screen off ur 16:9 screen, push dash z + button, and u r cooked before u can react to her being on ur screen
celest ore
like i said though 21:9 is becoming more and more common among pvp mains because its kinda pain at this point
all the aishas are gonna be doing it might as well join in
before the patch that changed the fullscreen modes you had to use a custom resolution tool if you didnt have an ultrawide monitor too
and even still i think it might be better to
stable nymph
wat is this about aishas actually lmao
abstract yacht
previously there was technically nothing stopping you from using three of these
or forcing a higher resolution through the Nvidia
cyan pine
done with pvp for the night not getting Inner aura checked by a RaS for hours
abstract yacht
https://youtu.be/uvRrGeVa37M idk if you can tell from vid but things like a whol...
huh I didn't know claymore didn't give MN awk gauge.
celest ore
wat is this about aishas actually lmao
idk i'm just meming cause aishas, especially aes, are real annoying when they can see the whole map
and as such they tend to use it
i cant even single out aes tbh aisha terrorizes me
aside from la i guess
abstract yacht
PvP be like:
-
If you don't play on 21:9 resolution you're handicapped
-
also it doesn't matter if you're in 21:9 you're getting slapped by mod rakshasa across the map anyway.
cyan pine
then again it might just be people leaving the game in troves but still
kindred frost
on that note resolution affecting how much of the map u can c is like
IT IS MAN
@mystic elbow tried to help me out cause he told me about wide screen advantage AND I DIDNT BUY THE RIGHT SCREEn 
celest ore
widescreen advantage has been a thing for years technically, i got my first ultrawide monitor in early 2017 and upon booting elsword though "wew okay i probably shouldnt be doing this"
but i think by that point people were already doing it especially in kr
mystic elbow
wait i got buffed
celest ore
so i guess it was technically always a thing
mystic elbow
wat
kindred frost
im a guy now
I assumed you were a guy
celest ore
like im thinking now if you had the know how or means there was nothing preventing you from having infinite widescreen in 2013 els
abstract yacht
I think KR did it for a long time considering the PC cafes
mystic elbow
nah
kindred frost
Oh my bad
celest ore
I think KR did it for a long time considering the PC cafes
ultrawide is popular in kr in general, it's kinda where it spawned from
mystic elbow
not only am i female
im also not east asian
so i cant even scam men out their monies
celest ore
it started with display experiments from lg and samsung which are korean companies
mystic elbow
stable nymph
tbf i dont think widescreen wouldve made a diff for anyone until like
mystic elbow
nothing good ever happens to heroes
kindred frost
if u gave me superpowers im 100% being a villain
I respect that and
stable nymph
ppl could act in any meaningful way from outside of 16:9 reso screens
mystic elbow
exhibit A: anything Spiderman
celest ore
yeah i guess back then there wasn't much you needed to see the whole map for anyway
yeah
stable nymph
b4 ppl had unique hyper accel it was probably only ga who had long enough range to do anything with it
mystic elbow
LOOOL
kindred frost
exhibit A: anything Spiderman
Batman lost his parents
Super man dies almost few times I think
Wonder Woman something happened in her planet idk
Flash can’t get a date
Green laturn is black
Raven has daddy issues
Cyborg is black
mystic elbow
Spiderman has one of the worst lives of any superhero
in every single universe
except the ones where he's not spiderman
😭
Then again the Flash has Reverse Flash as a villain
kindred frost
What happens to him?
kindred frost
Wow
mystic elbow
in every universe the spidermen have awful lives
knotty kraken
i mean he does have to pay rent
kindred frost
I guess they die like actual spiders
Cause like you know when people see a spider they just go whack
mystic elbow
there's a universe where one of his villains sandman kills spiderman from the inside out
like imagine eating something and it blows your stomach up
yea
thats how he died
kindred frost
spider man pops up into a different in
he dies
mystic elbow
at one point spidermans life is so bad that he tries to talk to the other many versions of spiderman
and they all say theyre leading happy lives and its just him experiencing this awful life
then they say "jk lol it sucks for all of us"
kindred frost
That is so tragic
It’s all spiritually tuning together because in astrology the spider is associated with Scorpio aka the 8th house aka life and death darkness and misfortune
Outside of astrology the spider symbolizes death and transformation
Now he’s in a “web” of time lines
mystic elbow
idk if thats what marvel means by it
i think they just like torturing their characters
the flash is a tragic char too
empty ore
wat is this about aishas actually lmao
Aisha as a characters whole gimmick is passive play. If she can see you coming a mile away. She could just respond to you faster.
Its a part of why people hated charging.
kindred frost
i think they just like torturing their characters
😔 ✊
kindred frost
***or forcing a higher resolution through the Nvidia***
I WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT ITS NOT IT FAIR
celest ore
well it's patched now im p sure
kindred frost
Oh okay
abstract yacht
I WANNA BE ABLE TO DO THAT ITS NOT IT FAIR
trust me while the picture looks kind of clear here
in actual screen you barely could see anything.
sinful anvil
i remember when special actives didn't come out on frame 1 and they could get in...
this was a good thing...
mental rose
also solitude freak was peak I respect it 👌
mental rose
Pandemonium for its entire existence always stored.
some skills had hitboxes that would come out even after being cancelled ya, but the difference is that back then u would still spend the mp and be put on cooldown (as punishment for being hit during startup)
now u dont lose anything, so u can just keep mashing until with no consequences
stable nymph
i worked hard to tank 300mp, i deserve to hit u with it
mental rose
one of WS's old actives was like that
It was mid kick (the nerfed version of original lowkick). But even this skill was made AFTER the original low kick. The original low kick hitbox was 100% tied to the skill animation's keyframes
mental rose
i worked hard to tank 300mp, i deserve to hit u with it
😒
abstract yacht
the delays still applied though
and if the skill's hitbox still went through despite cancellation I wouldnt so call it much of a punishment
Granted, nowadays is way more unfair
but said unfairness always existed still
mental rose
the delays still applied though
and if the skill's hitbox still went through de...
after the NA's firs thjero tournament, there was a patch that removed frame 1 delays too iirc and sped everything up?
abstract yacht
might even add the unfairness could be seen as a privilege back then cuz only some classes had it, whereas now a lot of classes (if not everyone) possess it
mental rose
there used to be a MASSIVE delay on every single special, universal, in addition to the delay that was specific to the individual skill
mental rose
the delays still applied though
and if the skill's hitbox still went through de...
but still, if u get hit during the startup of ur special and it gets cancelled, there's a good chance that the person hitting u will be cancelled out of the delay too
heavy spear
also solitude freak was peak I respect it 👌
YES yuyoyuppe is king and always has been
mental rose
because they''re hitting u
empty ore
there used to be a MASSIVE delay on every single special, universal, in *additio...
I remember this period. It was when I first started the game. It turned me off from playing lol
abstract yacht
but still, if u get hit during the startup of ur special and it gets cancelled...
that's now at least
I'm sure that wasn't the case in the old days
mental rose
YES yuyoyuppe is king and always has been
u right, he still is LOL. solitude freak still my fav i absolutely loved that album LOLL,
heavy spear
there was a time when WS's airelinna was a heal field and a few of them abused that to bypass any delay from others' special actives and awakening
mystic elbow
i worked hard to tank 300mp, i deserve to hit u with it
SO TRUE.
mental rose
I remember this period. It was when I first started the game. It turned me off f...
ngl i rly liked it because it meant u could z-special activ and the cancel yourself out of the delay . It let u do stuff like mid-combo airelinna and then continue then continue the combo after bc they were stuck in that initial delay
tbh tho idk if u remember
crimslady...
buoyant folio
Sup m y fellowsh pvpers 🤓
heavy spear
pvp was wild back then -- it still is now, for different reasons
i honestly dont think pvp back then was any better nor worse than it is now, it's just different
stable nymph
i dont even remember the universal delay period but i never felt need to buff for delay bc of spitfire confirm
mental rose
i dont even remember the universal delay period but i never felt need to buff fo...
me neither bc of nature force confirm 😂
kirbyblader
starsted doign it
stable nymph
meb was goated in teams wen delays got thrown around
fiery lionBOT
mishani has been warned
stable nymph
pwned
mental rose
LMAO**
heavy spear
OH RIGHT RENA AND AISHA TUMBLING
mental rose
yeah
mental rose
LOOL
stable nymph
it was galaxy brain…
mental rose
i did that a lot w/ ling too
and it did feel mad galaxy brain...
it was part of our ocmbo
ling would od the xx<x or w/e it is, the VP multi-hit dark ball
abstract yacht
i honestly dont think pvp back then was any better nor worse than it is now, it'...
I don't want EM from back then 😭
mental rose
and then during the multi hit i wud press airelinna or smth w/ long delay and it froze their team mate while we cud move
abstract yacht
gets 225 MP from meditate
magic missile
run
repeat
😭 it was so boring and annoying
stable nymph
learn ur circle steps to dodge magic missile LOOL
mental rose
or angkor bat
abstract yacht
it's less about dodging it
mental rose
learn ur circle steps to dodge magic missile LOOL
fr
abstract yacht
more so the fact that cuz TP had no punishment for repeated use and also no division of pvp giving meditation a lot of MP in pvp
mental rose
nah but bro osme of them would put 2 out at the same time
abstract yacht
it made fighting her so soooooooooooooo uninteresting
stable nymph
i dont think i ever fought many ems bak then
mental rose
💀
heavy spear
i actually started playing before EM got that renewal, they had absolutely nothing before that time
twin pawn
seeing all the old ppl talking makes me feel young
mental rose
i fought a LOT of aisha
mystic elbow
Why me
abstract yacht
like you can dodge magic missile all you wish, but you were still not catching an aisha whose tp was 5 MP cost with no CD at the time
and she gets 225 mp for having no interaction for free!
twin pawn
itd be funnier to hit u wit it
mental rose
aisha was my major wall 2 getting gud ngl, like even tho i was improving everywhere else, the random aisha would still farm me if they wanted 2 kite
abstract yacht
it was so disgustingly boring
heavy spear
i am very, very fine with us no longer having big maps like hope bridge in 1s, and also random items as a whole being removed
mental rose
then i fought safety iin arena for like 2hrs and it leveled up my brain, I started spacing properly and never had the problem again...
mystic elbow
itd be funnier to hit u wit it
I think it would be even funnier to hit anyone else
fiery lionBOT
noobsux has been warned
mystic elbow
Smoked
abstract yacht
s i k e
stable nymph
ok i def did not use bad words
twin pawn
flop
stable nymph
can i just get whitelisted kog u kno i keep it pg…
mental rose
LOL
stable nymph
but yeah i thought u were super rushdown aka good at chasing down em
twin pawn
he presses it and im stuck there for 7 years 
fiery lionBOT
noobsux has been warned
abstract yacht
lmao.
heavy spear
when i was on my MN i had a cent complain about my range
stable nymph
i am not
abstract yacht
then idk
stable nymph
is there some mod that we can ask to like loosen the filter to normal lvs
fiery lionBOT
godlikeforce has been warned
abstract yacht
yeah that's still banned.
stable nymph
so we dont get flagged for nothing all the time
twin pawn
ur better off trying to not talk in abbreviations
unless you know for a fact the abbrev is fine
mental rose
is there some mod that we can ask to like loosen the filter to normal lvs
maybe shud ping GM cuz
abstract yacht
usually the abbreviations that are banned were placed there because some ### used it in an ill manner
mental rose
this bot is basikly MOD_BlackBird in AI form 🙄
abstract yacht
so we have this long list of blacklisted acronyms
that make like
no sense on regular basis
stable nymph
might be like two words that when placed next to each other turn into a funny word
abstract yacht
because somehow smn used it in an ill manner
mystic elbow
You’d think they’d provide a list
stable nymph
just ban those individuals yeesh
buoyant folio
aishas (depends on the aisha) will complain ab anything
stable nymph
things were better wen inspirenatti was a thing :/
mental rose
no sense on regular basis
i learned new profanities that i didnt even know were profanities
bc of elsord's filter LMAO
abstract yacht
unironically I discover more bad words from the bot warning me than people deliberately insulting honestly
mental rose
the old filter at least
abstract yacht
i learned new profanities that i didnt even know were profanities
ye this p much
mental rose
💀
stable nymph
i knew tac field was obscene but not THAT bad
mental rose
tru
mental rose
ngl the nirvana s2 3v3 comp was Airelinna + Tac field + GA pew pew, idr ever losing mroe than 1nce or twice w/ that...
durign spurt meta
but then shuggs the TT that man
had a wife n kids
and had 2 stop playing
LOL
abstract yacht
you mean the red siege shelling?
mental rose
dam rip
abstract yacht
he has a 3rd siege stance but also not used much either
why use those when you can infinitely use the regular which feeds like no MP but does decent dmg and since it utilizes the original skill's traits, it's never gonna KD you
(it has -5 KD on hit trait)
mental rose
infinisiege
heavy spear
thats more or less how cent is now
i dont recall him doing too much damage but he never KDs you
abstract yacht
meanwhile you stand there eating like 2934006 cannonballs waiting for 100 MP to mb
heavy spear
maybe the cents i've been fighting were just undergeared
twin pawn
def undergeared
heavy spear
yall remember the time of skill notes
dear god
i played NW back then and she had a skill note that made one of her traps ignore defense
it carried me to rank SSS
mystic elbow
meanwhile you stand there eating like 2934006 cannonballs waiting for 100 MP to ...
Manabreak just to hear cannon strike for the 56th time