Ohh there my main, could definitely give you tips
#pvp
kindred frost
kindred frost
He was such a legend man
fast flame
Tyrone is probly the least likely to come back considering he was the first to go
fiery lionBOT
arkspine has been warned
empty ore
That man is so ducking fone with the game its not even funny
Like he made a whole stream once dunking on els' mechanics
kindred frost
He’s out the ghetto he don’t wanna come back
celest ore
surprised he actively bothered tbh
also yeah dont bring tyrone back let bro live free
heavy spear
the OGs
noble pelican
some days, we roast each other. other days, we are supportive. Ying-and-Yang of pvp
celest ore
Am I the only one who doesn’t know these ppl
top players and content creators from an era long long ago when this game was alive
noble pelican
@faint dust you seem familiar. in any case, i wish you the best on your re-introduction to Elsword!
noble pelican
top players and content creators from an era long long ago when this game was al...
golden era
celest ore
p much
noble pelican
fast flame
Tbf
Kozin and I still keep in touch with the game
From what i understand, most just casually look back for a bit, but dont play for obv reasons
The only why it took so long for koz to get back is because the end game changed
fast flame
Am I the only one who doesn’t know these ppl
People who used to make pvp vids during s2 - 3
fast flame
Tyrone was a good WS main, Mable was good with ragebait and meme, kozin spat alot of videos at a consistant rate
mystic elbow
People who used to make pvp vids during s2 - 3
Makes sense then cuz I didn’t start playing til 2017
fast flame
I can see mable coming back if theres a group of people within his friend circle pvping again
also people funding his acc
hollow hound
also yeah dont bring tyrone back let bro live free
Tyrone?
celest ore
😭 not that one
faint dust
Yeah imma get some erp pages tommorow
I kinda regret not making an aisha as well
Aishias stun
Is really well
heavy spear
neutral in 1s boils down to two things
- who has the best superarmor
- who has the best responses to the superarmor
celest ore
they're consumed when you specialize pvp equipment, specifically when you're rolling to increase percentages
clever sigil
also yeah dont bring tyrone back let bro live free
Just dont bring back Sazerac or Kirby Blader out of retirement.
The former will never be de-rusted (alleged)
celest ore
💀
noble pelican
I kinda regret not making an aisha as well
Hopefully, you can!
You get “rewarded” for having multiple characters on your account called “El search party collection” that gives account-wide stats
abstract yacht
Am I the only one who doesn’t know these ppl
nah u not alone
u can name me any person known in pvp, whether from the past or the current times
I still will not know who the hell are they 
I'm not interested in acknowledging people tbh
twin pawn
Am I the only one who doesn’t know these ppl
i rmr some of them but not all
kindred frost
Literally watching old videos from the old days
God life was so different back then on els
I feel like I was happier
heavy spear
i remember getting really annoyed at item spawns back then
also some stages i really hated
kindred frost
Yeah
I feel motivated to make funny videos
I like to act silly just to make people laugh
Darn I work a lot though.. I forgot I was a wage slave for a second adult life sucks man
buoyant folio
A
onyx epoch
A
buoyant folio
🙄
onyx epoch
What did i do bro
mystic elbow
kindred frost
Base eve is SO CUTE
faint dust
ight rise and shine time to grind
Gotta find a skill moveset for pve
for FP
found it all good to go now
gonna get lunch then get on
faint dust
That's the plan basically
Defrosting my skills and everything
get up to par
Do a little more chung gameplay maybe lean towards aishia or that new eve
depending on how kind the latency is
onyx epoch
Kozin was one of my fav og els ytubers
faint dust
yall are all too kind xp
kindred frost
yall are all too kind xp
Heck yeah bro. I play the new eve so I can help you up season 2-3 vets REPRESENT lemme know if you need any help
I’m officer monochrome/monochrome8 but I wasn’t that well known
Imma shout you out and link ur YouTube on my streams when you post again !!
faint dust
Yeah thinkin about making one last video for my channel
then making a new channel only because well
my old channel has 1k copyright strikes LOL
celest ore
OOF 😭
clever sigil
my old channel has 1k copyright strikes LOL
What in tarnation?
. know what? that's youtube in a nutshell.
noble pelican
Do a little more chung gameplay maybe lean towards aishia or that new eve
I can show you silly DW (now Metamorphy) techs 👍
celest ore
aisha is an absolute terror of a character
clever sigil
aisha is an absolute terror of a character
All my homies Hate fighting Aisha.
. actually? AeS.
they're in a "good spot " PVP-wise
celest ore
started grinding so if anyone wanted to pull up feel free
whatcha running?
clever sigil
Can't speak for Meta tho. but from what i see from AeS, I'd personally slap the soul out of your body for saying that AeS isn't strong in pvp.
celest ore
LOL
nah its fine filling all of the empty space in castle rooftop with giant stun ball is fine
not op trust
kindred frost
I think it’s after you go third class?
heavy spear
after lv99 i believe
fast flame
He figured it out
fiery lionBOT
whyris has been warned
twin pawn
yes
faint dust
are raids for old dunegons did or something
been in que hell trying to finish the phoru pass
faint dust
was tryna do the crimson tower of howling flames
twin pawn
party finder is easier (bc you want to be able to pick the party)
just use party finder
faint dust
ah
twin pawn
6 for rosso and berthe
faint dust
ah nvm its 6, yo theres so much new stuff
twin pawn
4 each for ran due to striker party
faint dust
i feel like im asking alot
fiery lionBOT
kozino has been warned
faint dust
long heckin time
heavy spear
are you looking to do the story mode?
fast flame
god inv clog...
heavy spear
not me wanting to do the pruinaum raids just to get the sage stones to improve my sockets 
faint dust
Okay so I hit a kinda wrench
I did most of the growth phoru quest
I'm not sure where I should be grinding for or what I should be grinding for
like what's the best title to do try and go for right now
and how do I improve my Combat Power of the gear they given us
celest ore
if you want a safe generally useful title to go for, guardian of elrianode isn't too long to acquire
as for improving combat power, i'd say just skip the free tenebrous gear for the time being and throw it in storage for later 💀
the rigomor armor you get from pho is gonna be a lot stronger until you finish building the shadow effects
which is a whole can of worms you can worry about later ig
faint dust
Wait so the gear we get from doing the Hyper isn't better than the phoru gear?
faint dust
Nah im so confused lmao
celest ore
LOL
faint dust
Okay so the +10 gear/+11 Weapon is only good up to 1mil combat power?
celest ore
did you get an amethystine prophecy selection cube at some point?
faint dust
but the stuff given from Phoru third growth is stronger?
celest ore
the +11 wep is great, no worries there
the +10 armor is also great but they give it to you extremely unfinished
and unfinished tenebrous is weaker than rigo basically
faint dust
Ah that makes sense
so Amethystine is stronger at +9 because you can do more with it to make it stronger?
celest ore
sadly you won't be able to work on finishing it for a while, that's why i say just grab the rigo for now
twin pawn
yes the rigo is better bc the tene is unfinished
faint dust
What do I need to do is just grab that rigo that's there
and use it until I'm able to upgrade the armor that they gave out for free
celest ore
^ yep
faint dust
What's the process of upgrading this current armor though incase I was curious in doing that?
celest ore
i forget which lesson gives the rigo cube exactly but you'll be given a prompt to select an armor set
faint dust
it's third growth, lesson 2
twin pawn
wheres ben's tene guide
celest ore
What's the process of upgrading this current armor though incase I was curious i...
wew where do i start
well them giving it to you at r15 +10 saves a lot of time and headache on its own
yeah a tene guide would prob explain it better
celest ore
yeah it's a lot, painful armor set with rng layer cake
basically, helps to get used to & love rigo, you'll be using it for a while
though, i say that but if you do decide to buy battle pass they have those effect tickets in there i think
heavy spear
wow the rigo being better (for now) than the tene is news to me too :v
faint dust
Well I was trying to get 3mil power dis game hard
celest ore
doable
idk what the exact process should be, not a returning player progression expert here
but with the free wep should be very doable after you get a bit of erp
oh did you unlock master class?
faint dust
Weapon + pvp armor seems good to me
Yeah I did
boutta give up on those sage stones 😭
celest ore
alright good start claiming and equipping the free artifact gears they give you
i need to open up like, a new character so i can actually see what the pho rewards are
you should have gotten a free temporary ib costume cube actually, put that on
since the last time you played ib costumes have become a large part of gearing
no, we're not happy about it
faint dust
Yeah so I have gotten an IB set from @fast flame
so im good on that front
and I've used alot of the free accessory combos and stuff as well on top of it
put an element on the weapon they gave us
and wedged it
I guess I have no title beside phoru and im sitting on 1mil exact rn
fast flame
gave him the tourbion set since it was really cheap atm
faint dust
https://clips.twitch.tv/LongTawdryFerretOSsloth-RFMN5E1U8MQu0uNE
why did that do 65% LOL
lord good times
faint dust
Yeah I don't mind giving it a watch
heavy spear
2.8m cp and that 3m is looking far away lol
celest ore
I guess I have no title beside phoru and im sitting on 1mil exact rn
nab the free 60 day bnw for now
you dont have to actually run it but for boosting cp to get into content yeah go for it
faint dust
Oh, that's whats up
faint dust
Okay I got a question
if I wanted to make an aisha and wanted to level it up to end game as well
and didnt claim any of those free weapons and stuff, does that character also its own phoru growth mission?
faint dust
good to know
Wanted to make an Aisha and just use the sparring gear stuff on her but then I also remembered that
I'd have to do every single job quest
actual pain
mystic elbow
The sparring gear stuff is bankshare so if u get it on your Chung u can share it
faint dust
okay seems like I'm pretty much good
gonna farm the solace titles
as titles to use on all my chars
mystic elbow
Yes guardian of elrianode and eclipse are probably your best bets
faint dust
Okay okay one more question
For ERP, if I put points into a skill
what skill should I put it into first
I have 100 ERP atm
and does it increase my power?
celest ore
for a damage focused erp page, start with all skill damage
100 is just enough to max it out, itll boost cp quite a bit
faint dust
interesting
is their a guide to managing ERP or what I should be getting first?
if I wanted to do mainly do PVP but still wanted something useable for pve?
mystic elbow
Err unfortunately thats near impossible
Pvp meta focuses MPR, HP, MP +2 and ATTRIBUTE
While PvE meta focuses ASD, CDR, ADAPT, POL, BOSS then probably MPR or MP +2
dark wind
Ooo
dull forum
theres a free one tho
mystic elbow
Yea your acc is new so u should be getting a 2nd erp page for free
heavy spear
the pruinaum raids?
ngl i'd be lying if i said i wasn't a little scared of em, i'm currently studying videos to learn the boss mechanics
but then like. there's watching it and then there's trying it for yourself
faint dust
I did it once
in a really juiced party, it wasn't too bad
I did it again in a different party, it's not their fault but a death on one map fall off with no platform is diablocial
cyan pine
Don't worry about raid content if you mess up you mess up just own up to the mistakes and learn from them and depending on party you might not even see mechs
heavy spear
did the story mode and we got through it so fast that i didnt feel like i learned anything 
warm hornet
I toned down my gear for you but oh well.
But it's just that no one wants to go through "suffering" in raids.
twin pawn
half of the early raids u wont learn anything bc nobody wants to suffer/most people are too overgeared to get half of the patterns
celest ore
110% of people die on that part of berthe p2 where he stacks debuffs
it goes kinda hard tbh
warm hornet
nahh, the hardest part is when he damage checks everyone when we're forced to split.
if one side destroy orbs and the other doesn't, the "DPS" side will die.
celest ore
yeah that mechanic is dumb
warm hornet
personally, i like it.
but how raids go, everyone hates it.
thats why in raids now, everyone wants a hard DPS carry so we don't go through the raid mechanics.
celest ore
dps checks are lazy but also it’s just weird how you can get in situations where the split makes it impossible for the comp
warm hornet
and at best, know what to do in said mechanics.
but for those who don't know, RIP. you can only learn through suffering or youtube videos.
you have like a second or two to notice the mechanics and then you have to react pretty darn fast.
the other times, it's a debuff that's on you and it's hard to notice in the mits of chaos skill spams.
thankfully, my PvP experience prepared me for my reaction speed.
celest ore
yeah that’s unfortunately a pretty persistent problem
faint dust
ayy if you guys doing raids, i'd love a carry myself xD
dark wind
What class are you playing kozin
twin pawn
MP cost Reduction
dark wind
Mana cost reduction
faint dust
thanks
dark wind
In terms of pve it’s one of the last stats you invest into for qol
PvP it’s the most important one
faint dust
ah gotcha
dark wind
<@124394671458877441>
Holy glazer
dull forum
LMAO
hollow hound
I like how with this current event this chat changed from pvp to pve content.
empty ore
This is not uncommon
twin pawn
theyre all pretty goos
good
gb has funny free pt stoic button
idt she has a real nuke though
av is annoying with low cds and big skills
achlys has good nuke potential but very little in terms of stoic /approach
mischief has good nuke potential, stoic (cubbyhole), and decent combos for approach
all of them just spam x as the ideal combo though
faint dust
movement options and neutral tools
twin pawn
i suppose?
her dive is worse than GBs (speed wise)
she has one less sling option
her cubbyhole does hits so ppl can mb you compared to guard stone
she does have ^xzz or whatever that combo was
but its incredibly telegraphed
faint dust
Yeah it's pretty clunky but it looks super fun
heavy spear
absolutely loving that my first match this season was against a bot named MRxPOOPOO
that should be my name
mystic elbow
thats why in raids now, everyone wants a hard DPS carry so we don't go through t...
Berthe mechanics in general (imo) arent fun to do at all
Theyre not interactive and heavily rely on your teammates not just hating u
Such as 15-5-2, all of 15-6
Bombs in in 15-5-3
Rosso had better mechanics imo
And aside from 18-3 as a whole Ran also has better mechanics
Then again 18-1-2 has a pretty similar mechanic to the one in 15-6-2 but I find it less annoying bc youre not getting smoked while you’re trying to do it
empty ore
Yeaah im not gonna lie the only fun part of berthe raid was 15-6-3
Everything else sucks
esp 15-5-1. Idk who thought that design was a good idea but they should be let go with prejudice.
buoyant folio
So I just
went against a 4th path class
and dude immediately one shotted me
😭
it was Ain
does Ain often have absurd numbers in his kit
or was I unlucky and came across some extremely stacked player
faint dust
some of these raids be deaddd
mystic elbow
esp 15-5-1. Idk who thought that design was a good idea but they should be let g...
Fr 💀
15-6-3 is fun imo yea
Pretty decent mechanics aside from flat out dying to lasers before
empty ore
went against a 4th path class
You got heimsuchenn'd
mystic elbow
some of these raids be deaddd
Yea no one needs to do rosso if thats what youre tryna do
mystic elbow
If u can wait like an hr ill take u
mystic elbow
If u dont find anything by then n sm1 doesnt take u
buoyant folio
🤓☝️ #elsword-chat
buoyant folio
🤢
faint dust
heavy spear
lack of SA on the final part of AD's dive is certainly a nerf to her neutral but not by much
her neutral is still hideously strong, that nerf more just punishes those who spam it mindlessly
(ie. me)
mystic elbow
I dont think it rly changes much
Her dive ridiculous bc even when it looks like shes not in SA she still is
white valve
just spam the dive not the extension
mystic elbow
Specifically when she >>^Z(X) the SA is already started the moment she pressed X
celest ore
its ad, easier to list the things that dont have sa
heavy spear
but yeah esp if you have a lingering aoe it's marginally easier to catch her out of her dive extension
emphasis on marginally
she's still so strong because she can play so aggressive and she forces you to be so defensive
she's the queen of neutral lol
mystic elbow
wait that has SA?
Its not supposed to be there
Giving that visually its not
But ive tried to hit AD while it looks like shes still in the >>^Z animation but nop she in SA
heavy spear
i struggle to think of a character with a stronger neutral
mystic elbow
Only one that would come close is RV
marsh plume
CA
onyx epoch
Buff rh
willow mural
Get devastating strike'd
mystic elbow
Buff Cinemachine, nerf every other RH
clever sigil
i feel like im asking alot
Kozin, i'm scrolling down the comments in this section right now.
It's ok. as I say to some people: "Speak, or forever hold your peace. "
clever sigil
gave him the tourbion set since it was really cheap atm
Dayyuuuum, Whyris with the FUNDING.
clever sigil
2.8m cp and that 3m is looking far away lol
I'm late, but can I see your current gear/ VoS Stats?
also are you relying on Teneborous gear? or rigo armor?
fast flame
Dayyuuuum, Whyris with the FUNDING.
Well yeah i literally live with him. So we've been grinding and the like and working on a stream set up. Might be a bit tough for sounding but I'll see what i can do.
kindred frost
I just came from from a big music festival, I dont want to take my meds and I dont want to go back to work 
I DONT WANT TO GO BACK TO NORMALITY
dam that was savage
NAH I SAW THAT
clever sigil
On the Real tho, I'll be feeling your pain after week 1 of october.
kindred frost
We gotta find a away to infiltrate the matrix man
clever sigil
so Ye, You suffer, I'll Be Suffering
kindred frost
this labor life aint it
come on we're eslword players, we can figure this out
we can change the world !!
clever sigil
We're elsword players.
kindred frost
.. we're elsword plays 
clever sigil
anywho, happy monday you madlads.
kindred frost
happy monday
clever sigil
what was the festival tho? I've been under a rock for everything.
kindred frost
Ahh im checking my syllibus now IM OFFICIALY A COLLEGE STUDENT AAAA
it was amaazzziingggg
clever sigil
was gonna be a punk and say "Coachella" but that happened a long while ago
kindred frost
I was at Afronation, I got to see and listen to a lot of african artists
lil wayne was there too but I didnt get to see em, we had to head back before than
clever sigil
lemme find out that lil simz or Sampha was there
I'm also gonna lose my marbles if Andreya Triana was there
kindred frost
TYYY
kindred frost
31
I kinda cant wait to be 30, I feel like 20s is so chaotic and like
tryng to like
get to a place of stability
but I could be hyping up 30s, when I was a child I thought id be in a way different place in my 20s so maybe my 30s will be chaotic but just a different form of chaotic
THE BEAUTY OF LIFE
empty ore
Couple!!
mystic elbow
but I could be hyping up 30s, when I was a child I thought id be in a way differ...
u sound like my cousin lol
her 20s so far is.. not great
so she said "32 will be my year"
😭
kindred frost
Well yeah i literally live with him. So we've been grinding and the like and wor...
Awe how beautiful ♥ Many blessings for your relationship
fast flame
Ty ty 
kindred frost
so she said "32 will be my year"
I feel like, my life is a like a steady yet desperate crawling out of a pit of
- lack of life experience
- lack of education to have a stable job
- being a wage slave
- healing from whatever traumas I been through at this point
- tryng to be a better person
and I feel like im in like the STORM but if I just keep at it and dont give up eventually ill see the rainbow
its a really weird place for me as my development as a human, my frontal lobe is now fully developed and I feel like im understanding certain things like what my parents went through and why people did the things that they did to me and the goal is like "just move forward, just be better"
clever sigil
I kinda cant wait to be 30, I feel like 20s is so chaotic and like
For some, it's hell, for others a chance.
For others, Despairful until they "FACE THEIR SELF" and build within the chaos.
Not easy. But possible.
And, (I should be the last person to talk) out of chaos comes order. yet, order comes from having a focus.
also cheers ,better late than never.
clever sigil
Ye.
though, to be candid, Letting go is the tough part. but bit by bit, that's how I have to do it. for now
mystic elbow
I feel like, my life is a like a steady yet desperate crawling out of a pit of
-...
Yea for my cousin its rly just her health since she has endometriosis
kindred frost
It is hard. Ive been thought a lot of crazy stuff like near death, mental hospitals and raw animosity and some stuff truly does just stick with you
I think the bigggest advantage of our generation is acessible knowledge and education, i listen to drs and psychiatrists on youtube for genuine health advice and it helps. One thing that helps me from moving on from traumatic experiences is having more life experiences. Our brains time perception is based on emotionally impactful memories/experiences and how many new experiences we have. Thats why mundanity makes time seem like its going faster because our brain isnt gonna remember another boring day at work but we spent most of our days at work
clever sigil
Also @fast flame Cheers to the both of you!!
kindred frost
Ive heard a doctor speaking about learning new things and being in "Awe" can help with things like fight ring developing things like dementia, new and fun experiences are literally good for your health
mystic elbow
Yea its just some doctors... rly suck. Go to the hospital to get mainsplained for 30 minutes, problem unfixed, frustration grew x5, sent the bill for not helping w/ the issue
😐
kindred frost
Yea for my cousin its rly just her health since she has endometriosis
we really dont do a good job with female related medical care, we really dont
kindred frost
Yea its just some doctors... rly suck. Go to the hospital to get mainsplained fo...
yeah that sadly happens to so many peope esp women
mystic elbow
yea females get some of the worst care
kindred frost
it seems like the drs who make youtube accounts educating really really care but not every dr chars like that :/
I love being a woman I just dont ike being a woman in this lame society
but luckily with more people talking about it, slowly but surley, we can make a change
mystic elbow
Surely
kindred frost
ik thats why im going to college, to be a clinical psychologist and advocate for female mental health and mental health in the black community
kindred frost
IMMA DO MY BEST, I WANNA MAKE BOOOKS AND BE ON TED TALK
ONE DAY
ILL BE A GIRL BOSS
fast flame
I wanna be in my goblin hole
kindred frost
thats totally valid too
kindred frost
me as a psychologist helping people: you can come back from this, ik you can.
them: how can you be so sure?!
me: I use to be an elsword pvper, now look at me
them: ...wow if you can come back from that maybe there is hope for me
clever sigil
PVP-The best therapy online.
kindred frost
I can say mona, you've changed a lot
Im so glad people can see it, I appreciate that. Moving out was the biggest and first step, I love being happy and making other people happy
mystic elbow
Yea I can tell you've rly been working on yourself
kindred frost
Being in healthy places help a lot too, like some spaces you can try to self improve but if people just wanna see a 💩 show for their own enjoyment you won’t get far being in that type of environment. I had to learn that
I think most people don’t mean to, I think it’s just very easy to find yourself in a bad environment especially online
mystic elbow
Yesss especially online
its very hard because its easier to be fake toward ppl online
and since ppl typically cannot be found out online its easy for them to be toxic
w/o thinking about the other person
kindred frost
It’s the most cowardly thing on earth to do
I deeply feel for those struggling with social ques like neurodivergent folks. It’s already hard to properly read tones online, at some points I genuinely had a hard time understanding if someone was just kidding or if they were making fun of me online
It’s so easy for some punk to see like someone with autism for example “not quite getting it” and “lacking self awareness” and instead of helping them they take full advantage and string them into fake friend groups, talking behind their back, etc
I think there’s actually someone in els with autism and they get messed with a lot, it’s upsetting. There was a man in my college orientation who I think was autistic, he was so genuine and sweet. I can’t imagine doing people like that fr
mystic elbow
Yea online tone is very difficult to read
and it doesn't help with how often ppl on here like to pretend to like others
theyll compliment but that compliment is meant to be a joke for them n their friends
at the expense at the person theyre commenting
it does suck
kindred frost
It really does
It didn’t help my situation but I can see why I got so angry, mainly because I couldn’t fathom why someone would find stuff like that funny. I have a history of anger issues I’m not proud of, I’ve been trying to embrace a do no harm type of life style. I refrain from buying animal tested products and knowingly supporting unethical businesses. I started buying a lot of clothes second head which kinda puts you into a modest and humble mindset like you don’t need all that stuff
I talk to animals like they’re people, I try not to kill bugs unless I have to, I try to think of what goes in behind the scenes if people’s lives before I react. I remind myself not everything is an attack on me and I don’t always have to defend myself, everyone gets what they are due
mystic elbow
Yee that's amazing
The ppl who say and do things to hurt others won't be evolving
not on here at least
theyre never called out for their behavior so they never feel the need to change
but you're working on yourself and that childish stuff they do won't be working on u anymore
dull forum
kindred frost
How do you make polls?
mystic elbow
clever sigil
Varies. She can be solid and bearable, can feed MP in the early to mid match.
But if she's able to keep her distance, Conserve her MP gain, Hit and run and let the summons get it done? it's rough. If you also have low mana, medium to low HP, can't take the summons out due to them teleporting to where she's at, while being able to peel you bit by bit? That. That is what can make her a menace.
but current day and age, everyone at this point may have a wide-range or wide coverage skill. if not. then possibly a heavy hitting ability. So CE can be worked around, but again, a bit tough if your low mp and a low-range melee charater.
kindred frost
faint dust
Couple lol
She beats me send help guys
All jokes aside
Pvp related
In Lithias move kit, what's the KD reseter? I've been watching gameplay footage, I legit can't tell
Mischief mostly since I built one
fast flame
She beats me send help guys
Bruh
mystic elbow
All she rly does is XXX loop
kindred frost
Why does no one do anything saucy with it
Maan the combos days are gone
Brother
Everyone finds that one loop on their char and does it until they break
Counting kd is a thing of the negative past
abstract yacht
I can't bother voting.
noble pelican
Why does no one do anything saucy with it
Being saucy is the best, but it’s rough when someone can x spam and one-shot
Gets me every time 😔
noble pelican
Counting kd is a thing of the negative past
I just pray my wind procs. Problem not really solved 👍
noble pelican
_I can't bother voting._
twin pawn
Why does no one do anything saucy with it
bc theres no point and xxx is a lot easier (and mp efficient)
faint dust
That seems anti fun, imma be that guy and die on the hill of fun
For everyone's entertainment
empty ore
I just pray my wind procs. Problem ~~not really~~ solved 👍
Hows that +11 treating you
twin pawn
and her Z commands suck
abstract yacht
Counting kd is a thing of the negative past
I never bothered counting KD tbh
you just feel it by muscle memory
faint dust
No one counts KD really, you kinda just know
abstract yacht
yeah
faint dust
If your wind goes spark spark, count it as you have a lil more time
Or if you did a KD reseter
You have more time
Back in the day I use to make Light work
celest ore
yeah and then theres the gear that makes people take more kd
better to just get a feel for resetting occasionally 💀
heavy spear
more reason why AD is stupid: her high kd doesn't matter, her neutral is so strong that she can just catch you over and over again
clever sigil
In Lithias move kit, what's the KD reseter? I've been watching gameplay footage,...
The tragedy of Lithia: No KD reset/Reducer. Except a active that reduces KD Rates. It ain't the same these days
faint dust
That's interesting
dull forum
In Lithias move kit, what's the KD reseter? I've been watching gameplay footage,...
Idk big dawg
☠️
Idt she has one
Just xxxx tho
Get mad mp
Although you can make some cool looking stuff
Not optimal at all but it looks cool
noble pelican
Hows that +11 treating you
Loving it. Rocking 26% proc and with wind4 is amusing
faint dust
We gonna figure something out
fast flame
Yeah youre not gonna talk him out of using xxx
twin pawn
u can do wat u want
it's just a lot more annoying playing Lithia like a real person vs looping xxxx
empty ore
Loving it. Rocking 26% proc and with wind4 is amusing
Do you hear that CRUNCH when all those procs go off
faint dust
Anyone got the number diff
Between sparring weapon +9 vs Rosso weapon +10
Tryna see what would work better for pvp since the +11 is on my FP
knotty kraken
+10 no mystic foj vs +9 duelist
celest ore
yeah i think duelist is gonna be the better bet for characters you only have foj on
noble pelican
Do you hear that CRUNCH when all those procs go off
I see it with their HP too….until they mb
I can show you in spar some time 👍
dull forum
heavy spear
i like nuking with mod catharsis
kindred frost
Which ever class wins stars in next stream tonight
buoyant folio
heavy spear
bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not using my dive extension is actually working
kindred frost
yesss CU gaming
It’s time to bust out the hornet sting catch combo
buoyant folio
pull out the Oracle special
buoyant folio
🗣️ 🔥
onyx epoch
Why does no one do anything saucy with it
Saucy died and pure optimal won
fiery lionBOT
divine_scholar has been warned
fiery lionBOT
divine_scholar has been warned
kindred frost
Wha-...
im streaming in about 5 minutes
knotty kraken
say it again >:)
twin pawn
oz in big brain 2 hands are u sure
dark wind
so poo
abstract yacht
the fact that Dominator has his own tierlist but Sariel is in it
man cant even own his own tierlist
heavy spear
what did i just see
dull forum
Did y'all know you can awaken without awakening
mystic elbow
That just ruined my entire day
dull forum
That just ruined my entire day
Mashing awk is based
abstract yacht
and yet still awakened after, so like, not really a difference technically speaking
kindred frost
I think I will make a tierlist of classes I hate to fight
buoyant folio
:\/
buoyant folio
clever sigil
im late to this, but Ain's >>ZZ is trash in terms of combo/ command attack utility.
the 2nd z doesn't drag enemies with him
or at least not enough of a drag.
and ther other remedy to it could be increasing the hitbox of the 3rd Z hit.
boreal kayak
i need to know. how does one beat revenant?
mystic elbow
u dont
boreal kayak
u dont
can i..just get a real answer for once, please? im too broken by revenants crap for this lol
mystic elbow
that was the real answer. 😐
boreal kayak
just one time, please, i beseech you.
mystic elbow
IM TELLING U THATS THE REAL ANSWER.
boreal kayak
IM TELLING U THATS THE REAL ANSWER.
the sad thing is i believe this.
given what i experienced.
mystic elbow
The only way youre winning against RV is by being 1) a char like 
2) that RV is awful 3) RV makes several mistakes
Other than that once RV inevitably wins neutral he will just snowball u until u die
boreal kayak
i was playing KE, i got in a practice session with one, i only killed him like, what. 7 times
compared to like his 50+
so im a little goddam mad right now, because its not like i wasnt trying.
empty ore
What class are you
mystic elbow
i wouldn't take any practice match seriously given the mp increase
boreal kayak
No, i meant
mystic elbow
With KE RV matchup youre better off asking @dull forum maybe he has a plan for u
boreal kayak
i got in a practice session with one.
echo phoenix
mystic elbow
you're not no
they buffed it so now it goes across at least half the map
full superarmor
boreal kayak
i mean i also genuinely hate death chaser
because its like, "oh, you did super armor on me? let me match it with one that lasts LONGER"
thank christ its not cubbyhole levels of crap
twin pawn
id argue RV is far worse than cubbyhole
RV doesnt even have to waste resources to catch you
cubbyhole at least uses mp
the only way ur beating an RV is super armor spam and contesting his own SA/making him make mistakes
cubby is stupid but RV can do that while having faster dives
boreal kayak
i mean, look in the end, im just here for any advice. im tired and salty after all that lol
boreal kayak
the only way ur beating an RV is super armor spam and contesting his own SA/maki...
i mean i have SOME as KE?
i can iron body? though i have like ONE shot to make it work
in the end, all im saying is, its goddam annoying how PERFECT revenant requires you to be. like with other characters, you have SOME margin of error.
not with RV.
like what crack was kog smoking when coming up with the design for this
heavy spear
all that applies to AD as well
boreal kayak
The moment you see him diving into you, >>ZXX into roll.
never thought of rolling after that, i usually >>ZX to approach because i know hes going to super armor into me
but noted, thanks
onyx epoch
Bro get some mpr and spam iron body off cd
That's how u beat rv
Put it on trans slot if u have to
And use mod sonic blade to get him out of super armor
willow mural
Try camping the platform above him so he uses >>^zxx
onyx epoch
That aint happening if he's 1 dimensional
You still can camp the platform to properly time an awk catch tho
empty ore
Yeah no smart RV gonna use the jump command, just too vulnerable.
boreal kayak
i mean ill try anything at this point
clever sigil
i need to know. how does one beat revenant?
I believe there's a few options.
One: staying on your toes and never stagnant. staying in one place , or grounded makes it easier for him to engage you.
secondly: Wide range/ middair abilities:
If you see him doing any >>^ZXX's and you see him going up, and if you are KE or ES: You can make use of your Sonic blade ( sonic blade cresent for KE), there's no super armor on that skill.
Thirdly: Stuns.
(sometimes stuns can counter some stoic commands, but may require hasty follow up, or multi hits afterwards)
if he's got some super armor up be it on his >>^XXX command (the one where he dashes and slams on top of you) , KE can make use of normal [sonic blade] as a potential punisher.
next thing is paying attention to the timing, say: "Does the RV use his >>^XXX when im too close to him?" or "Can I bait him into using it and pulling out a [iron body]?"
Trial and error is your best friend. some characters are just horrid to fight against, but getting an idea of the patterns can work some things out.
other options can include some trading of blows, say: he uses his >>^XXX or his >XZZ chain, chip some of his Hp with super armor skills or special actives.
for KE: Mortal blow, Sonic blade cresent, or Impact Smash if you can chain it together with another command with soem finesse can make some of the trades and dog fights work.
mystic elbow
stuns aren't over superarmor unless you're eve or ad
clever sigil
still. RV is not easy to fight.
clever sigil
stuns aren't over superarmor unless you're eve or ad
I'm thinking of how you have stoic commands and say, the Stoic user is using the same command too much, If you stun them, wouldn't it disable the super armor on them?
. actually let me correct that . Stoic.
mystic elbow
light res just lets them return to neutral
clever sigil
then the Hirarchy Is getting removed from the advice.
clever sigil
Spending the entire match running waiting for haunting spirit to get off cd
that....is godawful.
willow mural
Rv is so annoying but he's not getting on the second platform without getting vulnerable
Ad on the other hand
😐
clever sigil
Rv is so annoying but he's not getting on the second platform without getting vu...
(Inb4 the legendary high jump tech :v)
boreal kayak
I believe there's a few options.
One: staying on your toes and never stagnant....
thank you for this.
ill keep this in mind.
boreal kayak
Spending the entire match running waiting for haunting spirit to get off cd
why am i not surprised people do this?
mystic elbow
cuz what else r u gonna do
w/ FL neutral against RV
😭
not a damn thing!
cept wait out iron body prob
willow mural
Exactly
You know what even if I wasn't fl
Why would I waste mana trying to contest him
clever sigil
w/ FL neutral against RV
FL neutral? rough.
but when she get enough MP? scary time for RV
mystic elbow
sure but RV is scary all the time
RV in neutral? scary, near incontestable
RV with mana is just snowballing u afterword
or hitting u with one of two nukes
boreal kayak
huh..was that you i just fought, by any chance?
clever sigil
I can pressume for FL though, that Blaze wing, soul ignition and nailing a Infernal blade (which somehow HURTS. a LOT.) can make some changes
boreal kayak
What is a you?
i was just wondering if i just fought you.
clever sigil
KECameron?
clever sigil
tbh.
boreal kayak
its honestly nerve wracking.
clever sigil
im a .. anomaly of sorts.
clever sigil
i'll explain what I saw in a bit
hollow hound
CE vs RV.
mystic elbow
I can pressume for FL though, that Blaze wing, soul ignition and nailing a Infer...
no to blaze wing and soul ignition but yes infernal blade
boreal kayak
wdym making one screw up
i mean forgive me, again, it just feels like i have to play perfectly with RV, or i die.
mystic elbow
i mean, yes,
clever sigil
you cant PLAY, with RV.
I saw some viable attempts with your sonic blade cresent. along with some of your >>ZX Chargings
boreal kayak
and i honestly hate that, a little.
boreal kayak
<:CA:1219731188328169563>
dont even get me started on this vile creature.
clever sigil
I saw some viable attempts with your sonic blade cresent. along with some of yo...
To add on, you did some neat trades with the >>^XZ and >>^ZX dives, the thing that's needed is directionals, along with seeing where im going to land.
I should add this: if you see me doing >>^ZX's beware of the lingering hitboxes
along with the lingerbox from my XXZ (which can be funny to abuse)
boreal kayak
noted
clever sigil
and, in the case of distance, Mortal blow can be your best friend.
and now, I say this : I am a anomaly, Most RVs will not do what I did besides the >>^XXX spamming
or do >>XZZ's or some Z falls
boreal kayak
now, just one question
forgive my ignorance here, but you can HEAR me use iron body, right? just to clarify?
boreal kayak
goddamit
clever sigil
sometimes I don't catch it
but it's there
. now to BE FAAIIIR , If i didn't hear it, I'd probably be in for some stuff.
clever sigil
I'll try to play as a "average RV"
boreal kayak
no, you do you. dont coddle me.
clever sigil
I want you to try and get the patterns down
boreal kayak
i dont learn anything that way
clever sigil
Oh this isn't coddling. think of it as drilling
boreal kayak
Oh this isn't coddling. think of it as drilling
i mean should we make a room?
i got a few hours before work
kindred frost
dull forum
@boreal kayak
Ight chief
Best red na here with a mu guide
(you dead ahh cannot play aggro into him)
His air dive + death chaser+shadow step make him extremely toxic to dive into
As he is protected at a 90% rate
The only opening u have
Is if they willingly go ahead and cancel their stoic dive animation
clever sigil
Is if they willingly go ahead and cancel their stoic dive animation
I think you'd be the perfect candidate to show how to beat RV's butt.
hop in. room name: fite room
dull forum
That would be realistically the only way u can smoke them off that dive
I'm on my lunch time at work lel
Anyways @boreal kayak u have to play for grazing
And bait for his options
Until u got enough for crescent/iron body etc
Realistically speaking
His util is better than yours
So you gotta maximize ur DMG/mp gain per combo
And keep the pressure up
fiery lionBOT
g.g.g has been warned
dull forum
K
RV just like CA if you let them go or give them breathing room they are extremely annoying to play neutral against
clever sigil
RV just like CA if you let them go or give them breathing room they are extremel...
funny thing about that , you see most CA's abusing that >>ZX(dash into slap command) if you can bait them into the slap, an avoid it, their backside is open after the slap animation
dull forum
That's
Completely unreliable cuz only bad cas
Auto cancel the animation
You can raw stay on that slap animation fully in SA
For a good half a second or so
Allowing u to chain it into something else
A good CA or even a CA with any small form of latency
Makes that command insanely aids
twin pawn
yeah thats not reliable bc if she has any mp whatsoever (or isnt stupid) she's already moving out of it/has a jet jump or something
dull forum
U stuff it yes, now u have to either pray to god u don't eat a storaged jet jump
Or they use slap
Or they use mind photo graph
Or a force
Same story with RV dive
U gotta bank on them letting go of the command
And read their option
So anyways @boreal kayak learn 3 things
Ledge stalling combos
How to take full advantage of your super armor animations
And conditioning
Tthose 3 things
boreal kayak
noted, thanks
clever sigil
Ya boi Cameron is learning @dull forum
dull forum
noted, thanks
Just eyeball how much time u got everytime u press for example power smash or xxxxx and >zxx
How much time u can be in said super armor
How to link it into iron body or special active
Etc
As for conditioning it's as is says u condition ur opponent to expect something but u switch it
Basic example they mana break and do wake up z
U let em do it a couple of times and they have this mentality it's not gonna be punished
So on the 3rd or so u just press counter and counter their wake up
Small things like that
clever sigil
there's one more thing left that I forgot to stress
boreal kayak
As for conditioning it's as is says u condition ur opponent to expect something ...
oh i know, ive played stuff like blazblue and other fighting games
clever sigil
Be ok with messing up and some failures
failures are like a gauge
the more you fail and learn from it, the better the failings are, untill those failures are wins
and wins in a way are failures that met the goal or expectation you've sought out.
dull forum
Bet
clever sigil
....maybe failing is winning.
dull forum
If u need spars Cameron I can spar u on my rv
Lol
If I'm around that is
Oh also another thing that it's the sad reality
dull forum
If u got bad mpr u just gonna suffer bruh
Just stack that up
Pressing iron body for 46mp is broken
It allows u more options earlier too
boreal kayak
Be ok with messing up and some failures
i mean normally i would agree, but it feels like especially against a good one, the odds are HEAVILY stacked, if not impossible sometimes, because this is practice, i get it, i doubt your going to get hit by half my crap if we were fighting for real.
because you know how everything i do works
like, what good RV or player in general is going to fall for my crap
clever sigil
i mean normally i would agree, but it feels like especially against a good one, ...
That's because I got time, trials and immense errors on my side.
dull forum
The same can be said about the RV tho if uk how his things work u Gucci
There's times that nothin can be done tho
Realistically RV just creeper spams u to death
Lol
If he gets a lead and u keep breaking to 0 that's what's gonna happen
boreal kayak
Realistically RV just creeper spams u to death
i hate this move.
clever sigil
Realistically RV just creeper spams u to death
Don't give me sparring Drill ideas now~
boreal kayak
because like, the hitbox feels a little jank
dull forum
I'm surprised that
If they using it for the hitbox
Then it's not the major threats
It's a boom
Aka they whiff it just to have extra time to catch you on timestop
boreal kayak
i mean i fear creeper because one, it hits me from spots it feels like it SHOULDN'T, and usually that opens you up for more deadly attacks, i feel
twin pawn
yes it has a generally unfair hitbox
boreal kayak
i mean if fighting that RV last night was any indicator of how creeper works, i dont know what else would be.
twin pawn
strange hitbox + his super armor spam you're playing the long game
twin pawn
his unnecessary 2nd shadow step
boreal kayak
huh. nevermind.
dull forum
@boreal kayak imma make a short stream showing off ke tech
clever sigil
the spiral nuke.
ye it's instant,
you'll have to somewhat read/ predict when he'll use it.
say he get a long combo off of you > you MB > avoid him but he closes the distance? that's one potential time
boreal kayak
<@1199821220955303996> imma make a short stream showing off ke tech
mind sending that to my DMs?
clever sigil
mind sending that to my DMs?
ngl, I want to see some of that KE tech too
a certain elboy peer pressured me into playing KE.
dull forum
Unironically uninteractable character
boreal kayak
im not sure i like cruel attack, either.
hell, you know what
i hate all RVs moves. lol
dull forum
not verum getting flashbacks
Bro yk I had to play
6 timelines ahead
And it didn't matter
😹
clever sigil
im not sure i like cruel attack, either.
i plea guilty on that front.
I just want to X-drop off of it :v
boreal kayak
i mean hey, you do you.
clever sigil
but ye, it's a cheap skill. viable
boreal kayak
also,
whats that aura? when i was fighting that RV last night, he emitted this HUGE aura, but it did nothing?
clever sigil
path of the dead.
dull forum
Chilling breath, creeper creepy fog cruel attack
Those R
4
Cost pennies on the dollar bruh
Just like ke tenacities
Issue is 3 out of those 4 are a boom
So if creeper didn't get u creepy fog might
If that don't work then chilling breath
😹
clever sigil
Cam, I do beleive you can do alright with RV in due time
may take time, but You'll be fine
dull forum
Irs not an impossible match up
(if they don't lag)
If they got moon man ping gg
Not worth the effort
fiery lionBOT
g.g.g has been warned
boreal kayak
me too, dont worry.
dull forum
Anyways u gonna get the suspicious interaction of
U comboing them
And death chaser comes out of nowhere and u lose ur combo
Or take DMG for free
And they just be sitting there looking like
boreal kayak
i cant thank you all ENOUGH for all this advice.
mystic elbow
Bro yk I had to play
💀 💀 💀
bro had to access second brain
but yea no that was unplayable
clever sigil
ngl, I feel like imma be called a "hacker" again for the way i play Ravens
PVP be scary yo
:v
also , @boreal kayak was there any lag from me when we sparred?
boreal kayak
also , <@1199821220955303996> was there any lag from me when we sparred?
a small bit
like at a couple times, im sure YOU saw it too
when i did zzz armor break
which ive learned better at this point..
because i dont know how the hell you screw up a simple COMMAND combo.
its so inconsistent as well
sometimes it works properly
other times it doesnt.
dull forum
sometimes it works properly
U gotta learn
The cringe ke stall combo
Imma pass u the commands
X>>x^vxz and go right away into x
Rinse n repeat until they break for more than 100
Since it's p much a 4 hit combo per repetition
U get good mp/damage ratio
Plus since ur using 3 destruction commands
U chunk em
boreal kayak
lol
kindred frost
A good CA or even a CA with any small form of latency
Yerp
zx + v key + slap + whatever special active + jet jump and they done hit and ran
kindred frost
Gonna be doing more CU content
kindred frost
I brought up going to college earlier and I just wanted to share my choice of fashion for those who also like fashion and clothes , I really like how thjs came out
clever sigil
there's irony on how pvp chat has become the semi- genral chat
and I absolutely find it hysterically golden.
kindred frost
I worry if I talk too much of non pvp things but I literally don’t talk in any other part of the server but here 😭
dark wind
A good CA or even a CA with any small form of latency
So cry
celest ore
pve chat for pvp mains
faint dust
Stylish
hollow hound
@warm hornet How do you deal with RHs and RVs?
abstract yacht
we still pvp time-to-time
PvP chat being called a dead channel but being actually one of the most active ones has me funni
warm hornet
<@962946968848584724> How do you deal with RHs and RVs?
more like i pray that i can block their burst. other than that, just be ready to react if they try to skill escape and retaliate with their burst skills.
stun is your best friend too. (if you have one.)