Sounds like a perfect situation for MN eh
#pvp
versed knot
mystic elbow
❓
versed knot
Cmere and fite me nerd
mystic elbow
you sound desperate i fear
versed knot
Yes maam today is my first day to pvp after a month of abstinent and queue is ded
kindred frost
My poor reaction time in pvp explained
They came out with more traits
AYO THEY SCOPED MY ADHD
The competitive pvp gene
summer merlin
Tryn out laby after a long time, controls are really fun
knotty kraken
anyone for sparr?
empty ore
My poor reaction time in pvp explained
i wanna take this
kindred frost
i wanna take this
its ancestry, the package is like 100 but you could wait for a seasonal deal
kindred frost
Did you find your hidden grandpa
nah
im actually really proud of how I handle toxic ppl now in pvp
like im really seeing that IT REALLY IS MID SLUMS
okay like do I mess up? Yeah. But am I stupid bad? I honestly dont think so
I took stuff wayy too personal most of ppl insulting me I think is just them deflecting
if brian says hes seeing improvements then thats good enough for me
graceful nexus
When good people start insulting its usually some personal beef or they're a special type of person. So its not uncommon to have that epiphany.
graceful nexus
Thats what I mean
kindred frost
fr
it actually makes me laugh now]
that they that mad
im not mad, im too focused on like, trying to get gud
kindred frost
2s is chaotic as heck
mystic elbow
Yea I’ve played it but mm
Idk what it is that makes me not wanna queue
I’m turrified
kindred frost
Idk what it is that makes me not wanna queue
toxic ppl blaming you if you lose tbh
at least me personally
its kind hard to tell how you lost unles its obv
kindred frost
honestly
you need to have gear too
like I think my skill is decent but my gear holding me back at this pint
knotty kraken
well gamers
back at it again
krispy kreme not needed
me n my jumpscare damage fr
kindred frost
well gamers
back at it again
what class are ytou
kindred frost
etw
was just curious
yeha etw do got that dmg fr
perfect way to describe it cause those commabts start shreddint OUTTA NOWHERE
clever sigil
My poor reaction time in pvp explained
Reflexes can be slow at first, but built to be faster and better via. decision making, movement, combo, and Reaction drills, and some elbow grease.
I may have a article that i've thrown around a long while ago.
here it is: https://kayin.moe/reaction-speeds-in-gaming
and if you don't like reading? Oh well. Start liking it.
kindred frost
I may have a article that i've thrown around a long while ago.
here it is: htt...
ill check it out ty
kindred frost
and if you don't like reading? Oh well. Start liking it.
you cant improve if you dont study as they say
clever sigil
(and ngl, I still have old clips/ recordings of my older plays and good god it's quite... rough and they're farcries from what my current "style" is. ) It'll take time.
I'd be down to throw older recordings here if you'd want to see the travesty called: my PVP level progression
excuse the music if you dare to say yes
little bit of motivation to show that you can change.
graceful nexus
Tbh Im not sure if I would even describe half the stuff in Elsword PvP as things you should be reacting to.
Of course if you have godlike reaction speed you can probably get some crazy confirms someone else might not have but its like such a small portion of the game its prob not too important. lol
The more you know about the situation you put yourself into the less you have to react to what happens rly. So most of this game is just learning situations.
Being able to react fast to stuff does help if you don't know what you're fighting though.
And honestly lets be real this game has unreactable stuff.
clever sigil
that's what i get for forgetting one more aspect: Knowledge. or the grasping of it in certain situations.
Touche to the last line you mentioned.
Been looking at it from the lens of "If you see something coming, act on it, or a pattern? do what you have to do"
a mentality that's somewhat been stuck and needs some fixing.
True on the "unreactable stuff" Now the question is can a person line-up when said opponent would attempt to use the stuff?
(example: RH got your HP down to 55% and has full bar, can one predict when he'll attempt to -> Move closer to you after KD -> Awaken after your wake up -> Deva strike
which can be resolved with a Wake-up -> (time your awaken/ special active with longer frames/ Shadow stepping full duration ) (Decesion-making/ Mind game stack)
actually, that last question is bound to be answered by: Knowing who you're fighting
graceful nexus
There are small parts of predicting that your reaction speed does help with.
Like sometimes there are things you have to do to people that require you to wait to see what they do
So its like a little bit of both but at the same time not much of 1.
Because so much stuff in elsword is like
braindead.
also lowkey
depending on
clever sigil
makes me wonder if els pvp could be in a less braindead state impossible difficulty
graceful nexus
what job u r
and how u shadow step
you could actually set urself up to be nuked by pressing that button
clever sigil
speaking of this thread, @kindred frost got any pvp recordings?
graceful nexus
makes me wonder if els pvp could be in a less braindead state ~~impossible diffi...
They would have to remove alot of the auto aim buttons, super large advantage skill delay skills. And give all classes options to deal with super armor.
Then maybe elsword could be skilled.
But gear will always be a thing
so prob not.
They'd also have to get rid of these RNG tanking titles.
I dont think theres anything neccesarily wrong with Elsword PvP being braindead if this is how its suppose to be. It just means its not something that can be taken too seriously.
clever sigil
tragic, but that is what's happening
graceful nexus
Pretty much
As of this moment
Arena has been an overall joke that people don't take seriously for a long time.
clever sigil
i would like to see els pvp hit a less braindead state. but that's a a pipe dream.
graceful nexus
The only time good players play like their life depends on it is community or official tournaments.
but I think thats mainly cuz Arena doesnt offer anything good
You basically dont get anything for doing pvp
I dont even count apples anymore
clever sigil
but I think thats mainly cuz Arena doesnt offer anything good
reminding me of a thread i made about arena improvements. I don't expect them, and they sure as hell will mess with the economy(somewhat) but would be a potential incentive for folks.
graceful nexus
Yea
clever sigil
the other matter is whether or not mp gain, dmg, and some other values can be brought down or decreased.
graceful nexus
KoG has been doing more gamechanging system updates to the game lately though so who knows.
They still have time to do something.
clever sigil
(more looking at the mp gain, say if pvp's current mp gain overrall is around 50% instead of the normal 100%, bring the gain down to 35 or 20% of normal values
graceful nexus
We're basically gunna see the direction they take pvp in like 2 weeks
clever sigil
We're basically gunna see the direction they take pvp in like 2 weeks
ye. balance pactches and the "pvp weapon"
clever sigil
i want to hope, but I don't got any expectations
graceful nexus
MPR as a stat is just dumb.
Some classes have tenacities that are basically normals because they go positive on mp.
clever sigil
i want to hope, but I don't got any expectations
(matter of fact I got more hope in WF 1999 releasing in 2024 over pvp getting better anytime soon. I want to be proven wrong)
graceful nexus
lmao
Well they already announced a PvP weapon and that byfar makes pvp alot better than it is now.
if its better than VoS.
Because it atleast means you can get ur BiS pvp gear in like... 5minutes.
Instead of sitting in berthe or ran mines...
clever sigil
if its better than VoS.
if so, i expect a lot of pissed off VoS users. but ay, we ball, reel it in.
clever sigil
i kinda hope they dont restrict foj/vos to dungeon only
I don't expect any restrictions.
knotty kraken
i would be more than fine with them banning soa from pvp like with tene gear
clever sigil
matter of Fact, i'd garauntee that KR would have a Riot if that happens
knotty kraken
but what im saying is that everyone has them
clever sigil
(though paeq, that would be histerical, and i'd probably laugh myself to death before diabetus takes me out if i was a 70yo)
graceful nexus
Its like running around in Maplestory with an Arcane Weapon. You're clearly not endgame geared but ur pretty good.
knotty kraken
so itd be interesting for them to ban it
graceful nexus
Ya thats why I think
it would be weird to do
cuz
Theres nothing wrong with making future weapons pve only
but if u make the current ones pve only it only makes ppl mad
Alot of people dont wanna spend if they dont have to
knotty kraken
tbh i just really dont wanna mystic another double attack weapon
if they do end up banning all
clever sigil
tbh i just really dont wanna mystic another double attack weapon
if the pvp weapon is gud enough and can take mystics? rip. it's gonna happen.
knotty kraken
i hope mystic transfer works on it
graceful nexus
atleast u can mystic double attack and not feel like ur nerfing pve if u have 2 weapons.
Assuming it has the slots it should.
ideally..
clever sigil
and, due to the time.... Y'all stay well, and rest well, Don't get hit too hard by insomnia (unless it's insomnia cookies)
knotty kraken
5
1 future
1 pvp
3 punch mystics
graceful nexus
bruh
graceful nexus
😔
mystic elbow
i would be more than fine with them banning soa from pvp like with tene gear
Id prefer the weapon i worked on for half a year not be banned thanks.
mystic elbow
They can ban soa if they ban laby as a whole
mystic elbow
But anyways theyre more than likely not banning foj, vos nor soa
Already too integrated into pvp already
What will probably happen is pvp weapon having smth that soa does not
knotty kraken
i mean they def wont
mystic elbow
Causing ppl to switch over
knotty kraken
but i can dream
mystic elbow
Yea smth like that
knotty kraken
finally another use for the coins
mystic elbow
It could have specialize and mystic option
graceful nexus
whos ready for 2x the effect pvp weapon specialize
knotty kraken
ive like 8 stacks of those stupid coins sittin in my inv
graceful nexus
12% crit dmg/command dmg/asd
4% mpr
12% skill dmg
mystic elbow
Weapon could even tie into arena acc set effect
mystic elbow
Smile
graceful nexus
mystic elbow
mystic elbow
I want to see pvp weapon but im not necessarily excited for balance patch and manabreak change
mystic elbow
I cant rly see a world where they improve manabreaking
Cuz mb aint even an issue
Oki’s, booms, and ledge resets are
graceful nexus
okis are unavoidable
its just a game concept
ledge resets
could get fixed
and booms can be nerfed
honestly if they fixed ledge resets that would be insane
tbh theres probably an easy way to do that too
just give your character iframes until you do a getup animation after breaking.
dunno how annoying that would be to program tho
Elsword physics are ancient.
knotty kraken
tbh the code is prob soo deep in there atp that they dont really want to mess with it case something goes wrong
graceful nexus
its why things havent changed in so long
knotty kraken
i think elsword should go on hiatus for like 4 months
knotty kraken
and just reorganize the whole of the code
mystic elbow
tbh theres probably an easy way to do that too
Considering Noah is near impossible to ledge reset thats smth they could implement
I wouldnt mind oki’s if they werent PHANTOM BREEDING type skills
Like if they took something to do but most of them dont
mystic elbow
Insert TP player using a boom 100 mp SA field to recatch u
graceful nexus
Like theres literally nothing you can do to deal with that but have a character with a fast dash attack or hope you roll away from them and they set it up badly.
mystic elbow
Yea once u give a character with a suction skill enough mp its pretty much wraps
Which is why OM was nerfed before he came to NA-
Yet Oz is ✅
knotty kraken
i mean OM is still worse to me
cuz there is literally no chance to escape
its just too dam big
mystic elbow
He has a 90% chance of dropping it anyway cuz its an awkward skill now
I rarely ever see OMs use that skill
They mostly lose neutral > tank > 50/50 their nuke
But i cant ever expect that class to win neutral
kindred frost
speaking of this thread, <@972530320521969735> got any pvp recordings?
Yeah I do I actually made. Whole youtube channel
And now I try to remember to just record some sessions, splice them together in DaVinci and upload to new later
I like it better then vods
Also, I wanna really thank you guys. Like two years ago I was pretty much mocked by the whole pvpcord because I sucked. It got really bad to personal attacks about my mental health, my appearance, going on my cosplay Instagram and making fun of my cosplays, making memes with my face
I got to the point where I seriously thought about just ending it all again, I had to take a break. Even when I tried to improve they still mocked me
I really appreciate you guys taking time out of your day to give me lengthy indepths replies, solid advice, and resources. I appreciate you guys not personally attacking me over my skill level in a video game, and even putting up with me when I get a emotional
That means the world to me. You helped me improve and also helped me heal from a time where I felt so hurt and bad about myself I felt nothing at all. It hurts so much to be treated like a joke, ty for making me feel human again
graceful nexus
PvPcord can be pretty toxic.
Though toxicity goes both ways at times. A neverending cycle really.
kindred frost
It really is man, I don't go in public elsword discords anymore aside this one
That's really how it is. I most definitely had a hand in my situation but it got to the point it was constant if I added to it or not
I feel like like can only "just ignore" stuff so much especially if people are doing what theyvcan to seriously hurt you just so they can laugh
graceful nexus
The funny thing about Elsword PvP is to be considered bad you basically have to be either average or only a bit above avg at the game. And good in this game is more like what most people would consider "elite". Really high standards in online gaming culture.
Sometimes its hard to get that across to people when they end up on the wrong side of negativity.
graceful nexus
Its something that you kinda get used to after playing alot of games. But its actually awful. LOL
kindred frost
I think some slumlords was also attacking me for clout ot to fit in with the cool kids
Yeah
I genuinely didn't understand it at first
But now I understand it, I had high tier players telling me people mocking them too
Its just trash talk and ego over a game
graceful nexus
Yap
Getting over the community is like the #1 wall most ppl face in els pvp. Cuz people in here are just toxic.
Next wall is like gear and character balance prob.
kindred frost
Lemons reminded me to work on my soa which I will
Gear is probably my hardest challenge most of my income goes to living expenses
I need a better job really but I feeling many people do tbh
graceful nexus
You should only really upgrade gear if you have money to spare tbh.
And dont mind using it on elsword.
Since alot of things dont get fixed from higher dmg numbers.
But some things do get fixed which is why game is bad.
kindred frost
Yeah that's what I do, I'm saving money for fun irl stuf or commission art
And I think focusing on my skill rn
Is best
Leaning how to pilot
So I'm not the pvp equivalent of a +12 dps class that does not dmg in raid
graceful nexus
CA prob one of the more pilot gap characters so atleast you have that going for you.
kindred frost
i would like to see els pvp hit a less braindead state. but that's a a pipe drea...
Remember when ppl used to count kd?
kindred frost
(more looking at the mp gain, say if pvp's current mp gain overrall is around 50...
That and/or adjusting mpr too probably
kindred frost
if so, i expect a lot of pissed off VoS users. but ay, we ball, reel it in.
I really do hate how pvp gear is pretty but gated behind pve
graceful nexus
A lot of counting KD was because some characters had specific things you had to do to infinite. Like Ara had to use Energy Absorption on the hit you were going to KD to make any combo an infinite before it was nerfed.
But if your character didn't have to do that then you didn't really need to literally count KD. You just needed a feeling of how many times you can hit someone before they fall over. Which is usually what most people do nowadays. You just know when you hit someone too much.
Wind procs make it a bit more wonky to keep track of though. But I just like to assume that Wind isn't proccing even when it is sometimes. Can't go wrong that way.
Its just there are some characters that don't benefit that much from paying attention because they don't infinite in the first place...
celest ore
The funny thing about Elsword PvP is to be considered bad you basically have to ...
quake
you described quake
nobody can get into quake because the existing players are too good
clever sigil
@kindred frost i'll say this to you and to other folks who have been in that space.
The one thing you should never give to.... some vile folks here is the power over your life's fate.
tl;dr: You're the master of your own mind, do not let those who can't control their own psyche get control of yours. Especially if they can't Say how to solve said problems.
Keep your head up, I sucked for a good while(especailly back then. Again, got some cringe replays. )
Non-tl;dr:
to be candid, there's gonna be your fair share of people that'll be mad about the character you play, and that's ok. let them. (hell, some folks got some problems with raven, as long as they can explain their beef and it's reasonable? acceptable. let them)
but the scoundrels and human trashbags that will throw shade and anger for no reason, or treating people how they get treated? that's a rough, but unchangeable cycle of life.
Cause those folks are either not in the greatest headspace, or got something going on(or just need a bit of a wake up call). and the last thing that you, or anyone needs to do is give Control to someone who can't Contain or maintain their own psyche. or mind.
Never, let yourself get to that place of mind.
If they can't say an real answer to the questions: "what's your beef? " or "you good? what's wrong?" then they got noting on you or anyone else, and their words are just irrationals.
Now, maybe I haven't seen what the pvpcord(assuming it's another server) has said. (and I don't know if it's still there) but if someone can say a person sucks, they better darn well say what needs fixing. if they can type their rage, you better type your solutions.
Keep your head up. Everyone plays a class that's got janks, Rule your world.
gritty wadi
c:
mystic elbow
<@972530320521969735> i'll say this to you and to other folks who have been in...
ON PERIODT
knotty kraken
i didnt even know there was a pvp discord lol
graceful nexus
nobody can get into quake because the existing players are too good
Yea. It's kinda like that with Elsword. I think its because of a mix of small community size, how long it takes to actually get good at the game, and how the queue system works.
At the start of the season if you're remotely okay at the game you automatically get placed in SS rank... with every Star Rank skilled player at season reset. So out the gate you just get matched up with and paired against people you aren't able to fight.
And because its almost impossible to stay in S rank if you have remotely any level of gear everyone kinda just gets stuck in SS rank permanently until they get better.
So people call it the slums and if ur in the slums it gives a negative connotation that ur not good. Because "good" people get out of the slums.
I feel like something like this wouldn't hit people so hard if the pvp community was still large like it used to be and the ranking system wasn't setup badly. It kinda is what it is though I guess.
celest ore
yeah p much
graceful nexus
Because older elsword seasons lasted longer this almost never happened. And old season resets used to reset your rank almost all the way down. So this situation didn't happen for as long as often.
celest ore
yup
graceful nexus
Its alot of the contributing reasons as to why Arena isnt taken seriously.
You can queue in at the start of the season on random teams and you fight tournament winners and your teammate is a dude with void weapon on.
celest ore
thinking back now to like season 3, so many people playing pvp at that time
and the queue was broken and everyone was in sss so you could find literally anyone
kinda funny
graceful nexus
it used to be really hard to derank
celest ore
essentially impossible
graceful nexus
iirc the reason they got rid of that system was because the board was filled with people that played alot rather than people that won alot.
but the board still has never been serious
So its like mission failed.
celest ore
real
graceful nexus
L
There was a point in S3 where I held #1 board spot for like half the year just because no1 played more than me.
celest ore
yeah sounds like season 3 ranking system
graceful nexus
and then I just stopped playing the game
raw
and by the end of the season like a year later
I was till like
top50 or top20 or something
idr
celest ore
LOL yeah
celest ore
same difference
graceful nexus
every1 else on the board being 90-99
me not playing being 85
didnt drop off top100 despite not playing basically a year
bad system
celest ore
kinda miss the days of periodical level cap increases
graceful nexus
its an outdated concept
celest ore
i mean yeah extremely
graceful nexus
Nowadays games are about rushing to level cap and then sitting in "Endgame" and thats kinda
what elsword tries to mimic now
celest ore
😔
i mean it's not an inherently bad system i guess
just on a personal level a lot less interesting
knotty kraken
just wait til we get lv 100
celest ore
it's gonna be hilarious
inb4 lv99 > 100 is just some absurd amount of exp
and you can't continue gaining erp until you get there
knotty kraken
i mean theyre proposing to do something with erp/leveling
soo we could genuinely get levels past 99
graceful nexus
they might make it so u get both at the same time if we do increase level cap
but I feel like increasing level cap is kinda dumb unless we plan on getting more skills
from like an extra job at like
105 or something
or 110
graceful nexus
could be that
dull forum
Ez fix to nuking
dull forum
Yeppers
celest ore
but I feel like increasing level cap is kinda dumb unless we plan on getting mor...
at this point yeah
but if it gives them an excuse to rework erp somehow then im fine with it
erp is a good idea i just think they botched it about as much as they could have
graceful nexus
erp shouldnt have been something thats infinite
I think thats the first issue
but they needed an excuse to extend game playtime
but its something that I think is good about some other devs
some devs design games to not be played all the time
like ff14 devs delaying the game release so ppl can play Elden Ring dlc
and making it so after u do dailies u dont have to be on the game doing anything
graceful nexus
ya that was
dull forum
Lolz
knotty kraken
i feel like thats less game design and more the devs being smart
dull forum
They should make 400/450 more accessible
PvE mains will tell u yeah man just drop 2 hours a day in full exp set up on 16-2
graceful nexus
xd
celest ore
erp shouldnt have been something thats infinite
erp shouldn't be infinite and it shouldn't be something you have to explicitly farm
i m o
graceful nexus
ya
dull forum
I did the calc on ashal
graceful nexus
I always thought just playing the game should give you a decent rate
but it actually doesnt
you gotta farm it
dull forum
It would take me 2 weeks worth of time
graceful nexus
celest ore
yeah exactly
graceful nexus
I think that would fix the game abit
dull forum
Dungeon time ☠️
dull forum
Also the fact that we get scraps of Ed is aids as well
graceful nexus
400 or something
celest ore
erp should be a passive gain from playing the game.
not something you need to stack exp stats and spam 16 2 for
dull forum
105 mil from sds
And like
celest ore
💀
knotty kraken
105m weeklys
dull forum
Thats the max amount?
knotty kraken
if you didnt do chal
then the next highest is outskirts at 20m
dull forum
Specially cuz it's a statwall
celest ore
PvE mains will tell u yeah man just drop 2 hours a day in full exp set up on 16-...
see like thats the thing
i could do that and be at 400 in 6 months probably
or i could do literally anything else
there aint enough time in the day for this man 💀
celest ore
i mean surely etw doesn't need 400 that badly anyway
graceful nexus
Lowkey you know what they could do
throw some of those Lv2 ERP potions into some weekly quests
celest ore
throw some of those Lv2 ERP potions into some weekly quests
tru
graceful nexus
would literally fix the game
and make potions go to 400
game fixed
even if its just 1 or 2 a week.
celest ore
if you wanna bandaid fix people grinding forever, normalize erp points after 400 or something
that'll probably work, right
surely
clever sigil
at my current exp gain
id rather not
I may be doing more pve, But that definitely shows a sunken cost that makes the abyss look shallow.
graceful nexus
ERP is almost irrelevant
cuz the ERP required for PvE is so high
that you already have everything you need for PvP
getting like halfway there
tho if you get to like 400-500 you can start stacking defense
celest ore
my erp was so low for such a long time
sds + harmony event + guildies donating potions saved me
clever sigil
i could assume withthe 400, you get what you need for pve in terms of dmg, MP cost, skill cooldown, and some leftovers(either for hp or etc. )
graceful nexus
nah
clever sigil
but ye, pve farming does make pvp a breeze.
graceful nexus
to get everything you technically would want in pve
you need 500
of course to make your character run smoothly
you dont need that much
but thats kinda where it ends
celest ore
nope just keep grinding forever and put points into raw attk
graceful nexus
For PvP its just 200
HP, Resist, MPR
350 if you count CDR and max mp.
if u dont count resist its even lower.
clever sigil
that's a fact, but i just don't want to spare KC for another ERP page. (if i could earn another page? sure we ball)
graceful nexus
tbh
its like
impossible to have a hybrid erp page
you just ruin yourself
so buying an ERP page is basically required
either kching or ed
knotty kraken
170m was a bit of a stretch ig
knotty kraken
this is the max i can get 💀
clever sigil
170m was a bit of a stretch ig
Gyat dayum man, Almost there. you got this
celest ore
if you switch mains at some point also gl
knotty kraken
its only another 3k dungeons no big deal
celest ore
💀
clever sigil
(and admittedly, WF been pretty addicting. Again. Els is els, but WF been hitting me different)
clever sigil
and then maplestory 2 shut down
A real tragedy.
celest ore
game was too perfect for this world
clever sigil
then again, most games don't scratch that itch like els does, though Tekken is nice.
(and actually helps my els game get better too. Really fighting games can set your mind right for els pvp )
celest ore
elsword pvp is a very specific satisfaction yeah
pve though, uh
pve can be satisfying sometimes but in all reality if im speaking honestly
its kinda dogwater as the kids would say
warm hornet
the dungeons themself in PvE is nice, but repeating it over and over again is the real kicker.
celest ore
i think a combination of innate shortcomings the games code has always had and more recent issues of the game straying too far from its action beat em up inspired roots
has created a pve experience that's very weird and janky to people who aren't used to it
we're all too used to it now but new players do be like "wait, so i'm supposed to just spam potions?"
dull forum
throw some of those Lv2 ERP potions into some weekly quests
They considering on dropping erp pots
For sub 400
Instead of sub 300
graceful nexus
its funny cuz
if they do that does it mean larger doses
cuz 10b exp aint as crazy the closer you get to 300
are they gunna jump it to 50b...
dull forum
i could assume withthe 400, you get what you need for pve in terms of dmg, MP co...
100 asd 50 boss 50 pola 100 adapt 100 cd
dull forum
are they gunna jump it to 50b...
Maybe
Whatever it is I'm definitely dropping on it
400 erp is a must zzz
celest ore
i think a combination of innate shortcomings the games code has always had and m...
mybe this is an unpopular opinion but beyond a certain point kog needs to learn when to call it quits on mechanical complexity
your attempts at raid mechanics don't work when the network authority is some kid's laptop
celest ore
the entirety of 18-4-3 😐
i literally played story mode 18-4 just a couple times and this is my opinion
im sure people who farm it are suffering
dull forum
Yk what's funny
I ashal'ed
My current set up vs me getting natural flow
And it was a 2% increase
celest ore
💀
mystic elbow
yea natural flow is only a 3% dmg increase
dull forum
Vs me getting 400 erp
And 400 rp was about. 10% increase
☠️☠️☠️
I'd never actively grind nf
celest ore
the entirety of 18-4-3 😐
no like genuinely i'm used to some jank with this game,
dull forum
It's acc wide so
celest ore
idk if host was like slightly laggy or what
dull forum
Not that bad
dull forum
18-4 ain't bad for me
mystic elbow
😭
dull forum
Lolz
Im doing good in PvE tho
I'm just waiting my
17 god forsaken weeks
For stage 5
mystic elbow
i have 6 weeks left
dull forum
I've been so demotivated bc of it tho
mystic elbow
it would be 4 but i skipped 2 weeks of ran
mystic elbow
i became demotivated to do tirnog daily bc of new gear
celest ore
i don't know what to do next in pve aside from just continue attempting reforges and enhancements
mystic elbow
feels like ill get r21 to not be able to do anything else w/ it
celest ore
im not getting soa any time soon and thanks to 18 4 i'm not particularly excited for it anyway
dull forum
I've been playing lost ark instead lol
dull forum
im not getting soa any time soon and thanks to 18 4 i'm not particularly excited...
Dw man
Es gets picked up right sway
celest ore
yeah i know i know 😭
celest ore
😭
mystic elbow
if i do dailies now it has to be 17-5 cuz my su needs it
celest ore
is there a strategy to finding the blue gargoyle or do you just open third eye and snipe it
i've definitely just done that a few times
mystic elbow
keep hitting til u find it
knotty kraken
blind luck
celest ore
the last room before boss seems to be the most consistent for me somehow
knotty kraken
i mean its only 8 instead of 16 and 12
celest ore
tru
graceful nexus
Thinking I'd grind all that
u mean you dont wanna do all that grind to clear a dungeon 1min faster. :0
empty ore
1 minute is a hell of a time increase tho
37>36mins? You may need to look at some other stuff
5>4 mins? Minmaxing goals
graceful nexus
Its a time increase but the effort required to get it basically isn't worth it.
Basically the reward isnt actually rewarding for the effort.
mystic elbow
If it was already acc wide i think it wouldve been
But 100 runs of 181/182&3/4 each
Only to do 150 MORE
For a 3% dmg increase isnt great
versed knot
Just think about them cdr it gives tho!11
graceful nexus
tbh that was just me talking about the erp part
The raid titles arent that bad because you atleast dont have to go out of your way to obtain them you just do your weekly stuff. Maybe grind them out when you get close to unlocking them.
Its just people usually just grind it out instantly.
since the amount to get it would take so long otherwise.
But doing normal daily/weekly tasks pretty much doesnt level erp at all even if years pass.
😔
The acc wide titles does help alot though.
For titles atleast.
mystic elbow
I dont think erp should play such a big part in being able to dps
graceful nexus
I agree tbh
dull forum
Pay up for best in slot things
But also don't forget to grind weeks away to stay relevant (erp)
kindred frost
looks like I got my revenge on that one toxic aisha with an -ia ending
they got mad at me on their pr, then went to their mtm to try to kill me
I beat them then immediately left 1s cause ik they were coming with the oz 💀
versed knot
Was that just now...?
kindred frost
yeah
kindred frost
mhm, good thing I caught on
they gotta sit with that one
they prolly queing up on their oz like "WHERE SHE AT"
versed knot
Lol yeah...
You shud head into sparr and check the community tab if it follows you in
graceful nexus
Not the "hol' up lemme get my main" nonsense
kindred frost
bro fr
mystic elbow
Oh ry-ma
kindred frost
yep
mystic elbow
Im so tired of that player
kindred frost
I mena from what I heard they always been kinda toxic and childish
kindred frost
I got a guildie whos being toxic rn
mystic elbow
Despite only two of us ever fighting em
kindred frost
a TB named -ie
mystic elbow
Blen-?
kindred frost
yerr
mystic elbow
I didnt even know they talk 💀💀💀
kindred frost
I dont think they're very liked period cause I saw black force closing on them
versed knot
I got a guildie whos being toxic rn
What are they saying-
mystic elbow
Oooof
versed knot
I fought em like an hour ago...
versed knot
On EU net baby
mystic elbow
Oh nvm
versed knot
Seii fought me earlier, I won against his ES so he got on BQ, whipped my butt and flagged me
mystic elbow
Does he know thats your laby…
😭😭😭
No wonder everyone thinks our guild is toxic!
Wth is he doing????
versed knot
Cus of this man right hereeeeeeee
But fr tho
For some reason
He can mash against my laby's ZX and my rose zzzx
kindred frost
What are they saying-
yesterday they said "so and so said they lost cause they had mona on their team lmaooo"
and just sarcastically going "Ty!" and "lmao" when we lose
I blocked them yesterday
versed knot
Oh lordy thanks god he wasnt in my dm
kindred frost
they still starting by flagging
mystic elbow
ZX is kinda lag sensitive but lagging out of ZZZX is crazy
mystic elbow
yesterday they said "so and so said they lost cause they had mona on their team ...
Ppl love jumping on the odd “mona hate” train ig
knotty kraken
He can mash against my laby's ZX and my rose zzzx
zx is easy to clash
kindred frost
Seii fought me earlier, I won against his ES so he got on BQ, whipped my butt an...
p e t t y
versed knot
>>zx is easy to clash
Nah it's just ZX
mystic elbow
Nah not >>ZX
knotty kraken
cuz half the time you cant get a skill out before the SA ends
versed knot
But yeah, for some reason the zzz[x] dont register on his screen 9 time out of 10
knotty kraken
ooh icic
versed knot
I cant combo this man PERIOD
mystic elbow
💀
kindred frost
the flags really not getting to me, at not lead from blender
mystic elbow
EU to VI connection
versed knot
EU to VI connection
Actually?
kindred frost
like they're p mid easy to fight against they just sometimes get lucky with freeze or their burst skill
versed knot
Nu it happened back when I was in the US too
mystic elbow
Nu it happened back when I was in the US too
I was joking
versed knot
I was trynna google what's VI
versed knot
like they're p mid easy to fight against they just sometimes get lucky with free...
Hell going 1s against em is weird, like chasing an aisha
mystic elbow
I find it weird ppl dislike u but not the guy who deleted n——‘s stuff for 6b ed
mystic elbow
Im pretty sure id get smoked if I explained any more
kindred frost
I find it weird ppl dislike u but not the guy who deleted n——‘s stuff for 6b ed
i hate that guy fr
versed knot
Hmu on the other chat momma
kindred frost
kk
mystic elbow
Im your mom?
versed knot
I uh
mystic elbow
Mona said kk so I thought she was about to tell u
versed knot
Yeah she's in my dm rn
mystic elbow
Poggies
versed knot
Wait I havent connected the dots, mona as in monachrome?
mystic elbow
Yes
versed knot
Dot connected ty
mystic elbow
versed knot
Am slow ok, havent done pvp for a month and all faces are gone
Was managed to get the funny chairs before the reset-
versed knot
Yeah it's like, why bother when you know you already can
On a new char is more of a fun challenge
kindred frost
you know that one artical mitsu really got me thinking of how I react to stuff
been making ltitle notes in my head
last match
"Okay, im comboing CU and im near her photon blink, I KNOW once it detonates it wil hit me so I will use slap when it goes off I wont get staggered and my combo wont drop"
forget shes in awk and core follows up
"Bro really-"
"I cought them with fog! I can follow up with back door!"
they awaken in my face
"Bro really-"
kindred frost
You know I think I'm improving!!
Today I had a really good session! I didn't de rank!
I even got some matches with star ranks so I guess I'm betting up there
empty ore
Not the "hol' up lemme get my main" nonsense
Some people deserve it
Get a little too comfortable with themselves.
graceful nexus
pvp aint that deep yo
If losses on alts bother you it means its time to practice the alt more not beat the person up with the main.
gilded slate
This new Lithia is so funny, I love her.
warm hornet
celest ore
scare chase more like where chase
mystic elbow
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jE5YkYz7A-A
Mm, im glad this happen
As a resident chung hater
kindred frost
on this episode of season reset:
context: I got one tapped by cleverly
Miyako told me to never be scared
and I just keep those words close to my heart
kindred frost
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jE5YkYz7A-A
It got scared and ran away
kindred frost
scare chase more like where chase
Oh my god lmaooo
kindred frost
Guys I really had a humbling realization rn
Me: why does everyone want a Stanley cup? I don't care for silly things like that. You'll never catch me chasing something just because it's "elite"
Also me : GOD I WANNA GET STAR RANK
buoyant folio
To be fair those cups are stupid overpriced and people have straight up committed crimes for them
mystic elbow
Theyre giant and insulated thats the only reason why id want one
But not paying all that
Why am I getting salted by ppl playing better characters than me
🤣
buoyant folio
There Is a lot of gigantic insulated cups that don't cost a ton
versed knot
Why am I getting salted by ppl playing better characters than me
Who is even in rn
versed knot
NPC farmin
versed knot
Shall I feed
versed knot
Dang no pvp for 2 days
versed knot
Withdrawal is gunna kick in
versed knot
You cant touch your pc while schooling?
mystic elbow
Im also not home
versed knot
Am still confoosed as heck but I gotcha
mystic elbow
How
mystic elbow
buoyant folio
Dwai
versed knot
mystic elbow
Im having withdrawals from pc bc i am not home
I cant play els bc when I get home I have to do hw
versed knot
Makes sense * ^*b
mystic elbow
versed knot
mystic elbow
Who is “Rags” btw
versed knot
If you remember Locs the MN
versed knot
Wot happened there
mystic elbow
They kept stickering anytime i got out of smth even tho they were the ones taking several decades to load into the match
versed knot
Yeah overall a weird person, you wont prolly see em again till the season is over
But dem +12 and 11 duelists tho
Jeez
Talking about going all in
versed knot
Ya
mystic elbow
Mischief is strong and looks fun so I cant blame em
versed knot
Certainly
I didnt meet one while SSS climbing
So I'm curious
But not THAT curious to fight a +12
versed knot
Idk what's the case
The only clue I got is from reading pvpcord about Knock Out is positioning dependant
versed knot
Looking at elwiki saying avg is 6k
If it doesnt feel like a +12 6k%
Idek what to explain
mystic elbow
It could be bc thats the only Mischief ive seen
So i got nothing to compare it to
But the dmg in general didnt feel crazy to me
versed knot
Did mel jc as well? She could be a better representation of an avg elswordian
mystic elbow
Been tryna rebond with my niece
versed knot
Das adorable
mystic elbow
Its not going great but at least she stopped screaming crying when she sees me
versed knot
Hey look at that, baby step
mystic elbow
Ig
oblique sundial
I scream and cry when I see you too
mystic elbow
Thanks thats helpful.
oblique sundial
You're welcome
mystic elbow
🙃
I went from her loving me to her not wanting to look at me so yea that didnt help at all.
graceful nexus
Looking at elwiki saying avg is 6k
Elwiki has 1 extra hit because it took the average from pve sized enemies. Its actually like 5.5k% since in pvp it hits 6 times most of the time if you aim it correctly.
If you have stats setup correctly it should 1 shot if you have good gear. But only just barely.
Most of the time ive seen people do ~70%+ though. Which isn't that bad.
mystic elbow
Thats about how much it did
graceful nexus
Yea pretty much if you hit someone with 700k+ hp then one shotting them without some crazy gear is normally asking for too much.
But if someone is like 600-650k you can manage that much.
Most of the time I see ppl throw out the skill the numbers range from 90-130k per hit.
boreal kayak
boy i love that these loser one tricks think they're good
i mean i could play for Karma too, easily and one shot
not that hard
what is it, 2 hits now and you get karma guaranteed because mana gain is stupid as hell lately
oblique sundial
kindred frost
im mad becuase this player playing the new lithia
wanna be sarcastic towards me because we lost
gonna be sarcastic when you ban wagon a new class just to gear it up and nuke with a 300
lilac merlin
Why does the new lithia have a tenacity with a 5 second SA which also acts as a multi-hit skill
kindred frost
Why does the new lithia have a tenacity with a 5 second SA which also acts as a ...
idk
I hate all of it though
mystic elbow
Shes certainly pretty annoying
Then again all lithia classes are annoying to me
This 1 is just extra annoying
graceful nexus
Cubby Hole will probably get the hitstun nerfed on the July patch.
The rest of it probably isn't gunna change though.
boreal kayak
gonna be sarcastic when you ban wagon a new class just to gear it up and nuke wi...
YEAH EXACTLY, this is my problem too
kindred frost
im trying so hard to control my emotions bro
I rage quit and shut off my stream lmaoo
warm hornet
I rage quit and shut off my stream lmaoo
guess i got to see that vod. (it's not published yet)
glass echo
Been a while, how is it in the hell that is Elsword recently?
versed knot
Got bodied by symphony so they're my total loss streak on the table... but got sss so am done for the season
Funny MC doing MC things
kindred frost
mystic elbow
Tbf u surprised onlynice yesterday
mystic elbow
u were 2v1'ing and it surprised him
kindred frost
u were 2v1'ing and it surprised him
YEAAH I DIIIIDD
LEMME SEE IF I CAN FIND ITITTT
graceful nexus
that was pretty good
kindred frost
thanks
coarse geyser
I concur
buoyant folio
two of the most evil classes in Elsword 😤
knotty kraken
maybe im not in S rank enough
thats where all the salt is
imagine an RH telling me im braindead 
kindred frost
Someone pointed out that I do really little damage
I think at this point my skill is decent but it's time to practice and train less and work on gear now
Full +11 duelist set, but I'll wait on that pvp weapon before I think about plus 11 my soa
knotty kraken
at least u have skill '-'
mystic elbow
ya your white box doesnt' do a lot imo
kindred frost
at least u have skill '-'
True
mystic elbow
well u dont wanna work on your skill paeq
knotty kraken
i try to
kindred frost
Yeah they said my gear is outdated
knotty kraken
it just never works out
mystic elbow
is the try in the room w/ us..
mystic elbow
Yeah they said my gear is outdated
tbf you'd do more dmg on full duelist
mystic elbow
😐
what could make u stronger too ms mona is abyss mystics
it does stack up quite a bit
kindred frost
youre full WM yea?
Yeah I'm 4/4 and 5/5 7w
mystic elbow
with full WM I'd imagine youre missing out on attk power
knotty kraken
like p attack
kindred frost
with full WM I'd imagine youre missing out on attk power
Yeah it's a balance of mpr and damage
mystic elbow
i could be wrong so sm1 can correct me later but WM gives like 3% mag/phys normalized and 2% asd normalized
in exchange for not having Rosa weap/BN weap
or 2/4 Rosa
and ice queen
with earrings it also means u cant have any sort of MR acc
i think u are losing a good bit of dmg w/ WM
if yer ok w/ that in exchange for WMs utility then its all good
kindred frost
i could be wrong so sm1 can correct me later but WM gives like 3% mag/phys norma...
Hmm that is something to keep in mind
I'll focus on my duelist and getting fs and if my dmg still sucks I'll consider that
clever sigil
maybe im not in S rank enough
not gonna sugar coat it, I think that a RH can play in a braindead format with enough mana , Normal guardian strike/Mod ver. for coverage, and Deva strike.
tho im aware of how ruthless a good EtW's neutral can be
still, gotta adapt, overcome, preservere
mystic elbow
not gonna sugar coat it, I think that a RH can play in a braindead format with e...
RH only braindead with gear imo
Otherwise u actually have to play him
clever sigil
well the thing is
Im not all that, But i broke my X button in absolute doubt.
(as a matter of fact, didin't you hit Star rank a little while ago?)
kindred frost
yea a journey
Well at the end of the day, it is just a game. You don't have to improve if you don't want to. Nothing wrong with staying where you're at. If you suck, it's alright cause at the end of the day this is for entertainment and not a vital life skill
As long as you're entertained and happy, that's all that matters really
graceful nexus
Tbh WM is fine. It just sounds like your lack of damage (if there is any) is just because your weapon isn't +11 and most people have +11 weapons. But waiting to see how duelist weapons go is probably the correct choice.
So no need to change any setups much.
Unless your weapon is +11 vos and thats what you meant.
If thats the case just wait for pvp wep.
Unless you wanna do alot of pve.
versed knot
Arkie officially no longer an aisha main
empty ore
Tbh this would make me more of one.
No more of these camping mofos
Passive play took a huge hit now.
But nah im still gonna be laby
cyan pine
This is the most pathetic balance patch I've ever seen in my years of playing elsword. You're telling me that no other characters needed nerfs/changes. No toning down iron body commanf spam no getting rid of cheap freeze frame booms. No changes to mana breaking zero removal of cancel manabreaking skills on classes that honestly don't need them. No mana gain nerf to chungs zzzx or making it so it doesn't cancels manabreaking. Ledge converts still existing despite using a resource to mb and being punished for it.
Months to work on a patch and it coming with little to no changes and it doesn't even include changes for most of the cancer classes
mystic elbow
I dont think this will be the only patch but idky u expected smth from a company that never gives good balance patches on both sides (pve & pvp)
cyan pine
They've given better then this before this is so barebones it's like they forgot it was coming until the week of the deadline
More tone deaf then usual I would say
mystic elbow
Even the last pvp patch which was legit last year (💀) just did basically nothing
The only notable things i remember from that patch was them finally nerfing GS/AD teleport skill
cyan pine
Welp I thought with how they treated the pve rebalances that th3y might fix somethings not all but a majority of it and turns out nope might as well have done nothing these past months left pvp to die and maybe had the new raid by now and armor
mystic elbow
Ye but even when u look a pve rebalancing nothing was actually fixed
Characters who needed buffs like FL,MtM and Devi got next to nothing
BQ got a giant buff
the top dpsers cept Shakti either got slapped on the wrist, slightly buffed, or no real change
Supports basically only got a cleanse or the got gutted (RV and Aps)
The only characters who got smth they actually needed was AN and AeS
Well Aps too actually with energy change
And SU but THATS IT (trust)
gritty wadi
i was expecting a better system of luciel gameplay since they nerfed bravery skills. These were the main core of luciels, and the other skills were adapted to those free braverys. They deleted braverys and we kept the old system. And now we got this balance, where they did nothing...
cyan pine
Some characters got gutted which they deserved while others got back their power that they've lacked. The pve balance was somewhat fair albeit some classes/characters need some tweaks
The nerf to RV and Aps were deserved being that strong and now require more from them then just showing up. They can both dps fine while giving their debuffs/buffs
heavy spear
celest ore
https://elsword.nexon.com/News/Notice/View?n4ArticleSN=144535&n4ArticleCategoryS...
exceptionally rare ES nerf
mystic elbow
The nerf to RV and Aps were deserved being that strong and now require more fro...
Considering at the time Aps got NOTHING back it wasnt a fair nerf. Neither was RVs tbh cuz it took him out of the raid scene almost completely
Shakti lost 50% of her dmg 
buoyant folio
Am I misreading that they just gave ain a ton of super armor on commands
versed knot
Thanks god only the guys from EU play ains, what can possibly go wrong
cyan pine
Considering at the time Aps got NOTHING back it wasnt a fair nerf. Neither was R...
Aps was already a strong dps it's just not something as had to do now she has to as it's no longer a show up and get free clears
She is still pretty decent even in today's raids
mystic elbow
she was a strong dps if she had DA, and she's now decent in raids because she doesn't need to worry about energy
but when the patch hit DiA became more loved than Aps
does what Aps does and can dps as well?
n thats not rly a good run to go by
cyan pine
That's what meta chaser do. Eventually whqt happened to Aps will happen to DiA
mystic elbow
just about everyone on this server that does raids is a meta chaser, if u are not part of meta
u are not getting taken
the only way most would get taken if they aren't part of meta is if they had friends
that would take them
when the patch itself hit she lost a good bit and got nothing in return
no passive changes and the one skill dmg change she got was fire lotus mod
cyan pine
n thats not rly a good run to go by
Why isn't this a good run to go by