pvp

[willow mural]

I gotta waste money on a character I'm probably just gonna fighter farm

Beggers can't be choosers ig

[mystic elbow]

who said u have to

[willow mural]

+11 soap does

Me rockin out with my punch event +10

[hollow carbon]

when is the 28th

aw

next thursday

[dull forum]

this the faker pic

for memes

[hollow carbon]

you main two adrs lmao

[mystic elbow]

.......

[dull forum]

nah i won ele tourney with Ad

and king of elsword tourney v2 with ad

[hollow carbon]

idkw i expected you to be more of a KE main

[dull forum]

i got all reds

[mystic elbow]

skissue

[hollow carbon]

how long do it take you to learn these characters

[dull forum]

if u know how to play elboy u can play elesis raven

[hollow carbon]

😭 lithia tho?

[dull forum]

lithia was

kinda weird

[hollow carbon]

she fun once you get the hang of her?

[dull forum]

but i liked gembliss as a character so i learned

basic lithia movement

gembliss supports aggro playstyle

with her dives n such

[hollow carbon]

ouuuu

[dull forum]

AV was a meh for me

[hollow carbon]

i thought gb was more of a adr for catching

[dull forum]

cuz her dive is stationary

and she doesnt really have aggro options

shes mostly zoning

[mystic elbow]

on AV i kinda did stuff just hoping ppl ran into it

[dull forum]

yeah shes made for passive/defensive play

her lingering hitboxes are generous

im an aggro player so its kinda like

[hollow carbon]

can I see your gb pvp bar

[dull forum]

[mystic elbow]

it was annoying cuz i felt like I couldn't play the way I like 2 😔

well

what was nice was I had more recatch options than I do on SH

but neutral wasnt fun for me zz

[dull forum]

u can swap G with supreme blasting or whatver nuke u wanna run

[hollow carbon]

if lithia doesnt have 7w what is her current meta pvp ib

[dull forum]

anything atp

CL/NBS

[celest ore]

nbs 😭

old school

[dull forum]

i had 2 run bloody nightmare cuz thats in rotation

[hollow carbon]

any tips for how to play her 😭

[dull forum]

Gb?

[hollow carbon]

yea

[dull forum]

what r u having issues with

[hollow carbon]

just trying to learn her movement and combos

she has rena stomp

she has somewhat of laby movement

[dull forum]

thats it

the dive is broken

[celest ore]

actually maybe i should break out the old nbs

[dull forum]

both dmg wise and hitbox/util wise

ideally u wanna play for pokes

if u have good enough mpr

u can snowball ez

[hollow carbon]

whats snowballl

all these pvp terms i nevver heard of

[dull forum]

snowballing is

ur advantage state is strong

by this lets say

u get a catch

[hollow carbon]

yea

[dull forum]

u spam ><>x ><>x ><>x

every

<>x

is a good

15/20mp

so anybody smart

aint gonna tank u

so they break

[hollow carbon]

yea so its just getting them mb

[dull forum]

they manabreak

and u have

with a 100mp

u got

stoic if u have gems on f

so u can rush them down

suction multihit active on e

with compressor

v with tracking mp burning hitstun

or mini boom with master skill

so u got those options to recatch them

or pressure htem

[hollow carbon]

ohhhhhh

[dull forum]

and since they have no resources its a recatch>manabreak again

and loop it till they ded

so the term snowballing is

[hollow carbon]

gotcha just getting them to burn lose mana

[dull forum]

pmuch theres not much they can do when u get going

[celest ore]

that thing CA is always doing

[mystic elbow]

[celest ore]

and her

[dull forum]

theres a lot of characters

[hollow carbon]

seeing this is like seeing my ex 😭

[dull forum]

that snowball rather quickly

but like

[mystic elbow]

[dull forum]

list goes on

in 1v1 getting snowballed is extremely

easy

[celest ore]

real

[dull forum]

since

if u tank they get resources

[hollow carbon]

nooooooo :/ im about to sell 7w for aisha

[dull forum]

plus u drop hp

so u gotta drop

mp to get out

[mystic elbow]

if youre not playing her anymore then yea sell it

[dull forum]

id say dismantle it

:j

[hollow carbon]

but the memories

[mystic elbow]

..

[hollow carbon]

😭

[mystic elbow]

u mean 2 weeks worth of memories

[dull forum]

aishas r lame sorry

[celest ore]

rawr quit aisha? that was quick

[dull forum]

😭

[mystic elbow]

[hollow carbon]

yes

mtm was such a fun class

[dull forum]

oz is sooooooooooooooo cringe bro

[mystic elbow]

if aisha was never your main then u should have no issue selling it

😄

[hollow carbon]

😭 i gotta take a sip of apple juice for my final goodbye from aisha

[dull forum]

phantom breathing should not be a thing

[mystic elbow]

that skill makes me want to log out anytime i see it

[celest ore]

oz is the most "oh god not this again" character to see in the loading screen

[dull forum]

bro

im telling u

oz in general is a toxic character

[hollow carbon]

seeing how yall select yall mains is interesting

[dull forum]

im not gonna sit here n lie reds are not broken

cuz they r

but

[hollow carbon]

gabe selected gb for her persona

[dull forum]

that plus she had

iron body

👍

[buoyant folio]

My weaknesses seem to be mostly Rose/Ara/Chung

[celest ore]

i picked my main 7 years ago she just happens to be very good & loved by kog

[dull forum]

me on my baby AV running into

[mystic elbow]

rly? mine is every single char besides Add

[mystic elbow]

cent..

😭

[dull forum]

bruh

[hollow carbon]

😭

[dull forum]

my 5 most hated characters

are

[mystic elbow]

im so sick of cent id rather fight da when he still had 20 sec sa nuke

[celest ore]

how to win at elsword

merch and and be lucky

[mystic elbow]

lucky u

[dull forum]

[mystic elbow]

i picked a char that got absolutely NOTHING in patch

[celest ore]

😭

[hollow carbon]

my main getting good 🙂

we got a new nuke coming wed i believe we getting good over here

[mystic elbow]

ive gotten better against CAs but I wonder if its just the pilots

[buoyant folio]

and now I just fought an Aisha with basically permanent super armor 💀 what in the world

[mystic elbow]

[dull forum]

my biggest issue is his dam hitstun

[buoyant folio]

Most likely the pilots lol

CA is capable of perfecting you

[dull forum]

most likely pilots

[buoyant folio]

even if you perfectly escape/dodge, etc.

[dull forum]

nuri on CA is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

damn annoying

[mystic elbow]

I believe it

[fiery lion]

g.g.g has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dull forum]

bruh

[mystic elbow]

[celest ore]

nah i agree with the others the CA pilots have just been sleeping more lately

[dull forum]

th at k i d is , v e r y g o o d

[hollow carbon]

who is that

[dull forum]

Shiro

[hollow carbon]

i feel like i seen them

[dull forum]

rank 1 ca

[hollow carbon]

oh yea Shiro i only see them in high ranking spar rooms

i remeber going into a room they was doing 2s in

an this life dude was just nuking

[mystic elbow]

[hollow carbon]

😭 really showed how broken FP is

[buoyant folio]

Okay genuinely what is this

I'm fighting an Aisha

[dull forum]

gg

[buoyant folio]

that cannot be hit-stunned

💀

[dull forum]

what class

[buoyant folio]

uhh

the ugly one

[dull forum]

mtm?

[buoyant folio]

The magical one

[mystic elbow]

Life's good but Nuri is also a rly good FP too

[buoyant folio]

this person

[mystic elbow]

hey thats

arkie

[dull forum]

y they ded

☠️

mtm has

ghetto iron body

[celest ore]

💀

[dull forum]

just hit em 5 times

[mystic elbow]

section 8 housing iron body

[dull forum]

if it wasnt that then latency

or smnth

they got super armor energy ring and sometimes drain or w.e

that reminds me

energy ring is one of the most fraudulent moves

in the game

[mystic elbow]

i rarely see that skill lose

to anything

[dull forum]

bro

when it storages

and u get sucked

TWICE

you smoke the mtm in the interaction

they mash energy ring and u get smoked right back

[mystic elbow]

only for them to mash out a energy ring

[celest ore]

LMAO

😭

[buoyant folio]

god I doubt even with my normal build I'd win

this is insane

How is MtM allowed to be this broken 😭

[celest ore]

normalest aisha moment

[buoyant folio]

She already hits hard, and now she can basically not be hitstunned?? lol

[mystic elbow]

in exchange for being GARBAGE in pve

[buoyant folio]

that's a good exchange lol

[dull forum]

wat class u playin

[mystic elbow]

i agri

[dull forum]

if u say overmind

im sorry for u loss

[mystic elbow]

im a firm believer that OM is the char u play when u hate yourself

[buoyant folio]

💀

I'm playing MP

No matter what I do they can just attack me out of it

even without super armor

and it's not latency

[mystic elbow]

can u

[buoyant folio]

I can tell what's lag and this is definitely not it

[mystic elbow]

record the match

[buoyant folio]

😭

[dull forum]

madpax is

[celest ore]

i love how every other add player hates OM

[buoyant folio]

I can but there's no point in doing so

[dull forum]

madpax is kinda finicky

[celest ore]

like i dont play add at all so observing it is just funny

[mystic elbow]

ys that

[dull forum]

wit na laency

[buoyant folio]

This is just really a case of not being able to fight their character at all

[dull forum]

he does get smoked by mtm imo

[mystic elbow]

crazy cuz OM would be a pretty good char

[buoyant folio]

Like let's say I completely outskill them

[mystic elbow]

if he had good neutral

[buoyant folio]

MTM just has the kit to kill

[mystic elbow]

and a skill to set up his nuke

[dull forum]

bro

brooooooo

if he had a good

[celest ore]

real

[dull forum]

active

like ambulance being chasing deat

he would be so muc better

but its do.okie water

he has the worst actives in the game imo

[mystic elbow]

his iron body is worse than section 8 housing

its like

homeless ppl

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-1281766816980485400

[dull forum]

plays
pops ib
the enemy awakens
uses 1 random tenacity
my ib is gone

[celest ore]

defib is like
so easy to troll especially on my es

💀

[dull forum]

mod debif

is the answer man

:/

[buoyant folio]

I hate OM bc

1. ugly design

2. boring gameplay

You would genuinely have to hate yourself to play him

[dull forum]

twitch.tv/FrozenThreat

bro when isaiah was

playing om

id cry for him bro

that character is so bad

[mystic elbow]

crazy when code yellow is actually a pretty cool skill

[buoyant folio]

Cool skill? Yes

[celest ore]

can't be as bad as opferung (idk i haven't seen any in a long time)

[buoyant folio]

But 💀 a skill that deserves a nerf

[celest ore]

deceased class

[mystic elbow]

I would NOT be nerfing that skill 😭

[dull forum]

ok this is cap

☠️

[mystic elbow]

or any skill he has

[dull forum]

opferung after ain 30% awk

and balance patch

hits like a dam truck

[buoyant folio]

So

[dull forum]

😭

[buoyant folio]

I know he has a horrible neutral

[celest ore]

i haven't fought a single one since balance patch bruh 😭

i literally don't see him 💀

[buoyant folio]

but they could just simply change his skills and change his combos instead of

[dull forum]

well

[buoyant folio]

ohoho huge gigantic box for ez catch

[dull forum]

Leon swapped to him for a bit

and he was

oneshooting ppl

😭

[celest ore]

oh god

[mystic elbow]

the thing is right, y nerf his skill when there's multiple characters

who have aoe skills

[celest ore]

well good thing nobody plays him

[mystic elbow]

• better neutral

• booms

😔

[dull forum]

https://elwiki.net/w/Heimsuchen/ModA

in 2s

its either

[celest ore]

💀

[dull forum]

he tanks a life

comes back

[fiery lion]

g.g.g has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dull forum]

and drops a nuke on u

[celest ore]

💀

oh so he's a 2s menace then?

[dull forum]

bro this bot is crazy

[celest ore]

i dont play 2s at all

[abstract yacht]

isnt heismuchen mbable

[celest ore]

yeah it is LOL

[dull forum]

by the time u break u ate 6 spears

[abstract yacht]

also if thats mod u would need both of them literally in front of u

[hollow carbon]

man fighting ce is annoying

once she get all her summons

[celest ore]

just get free mp frfr

[knotty kraken]

splash damage

[hollow carbon]

it has started

[buoyant folio]

You're right

nerf everyone then

[dull forum]

https://youtu.be/3GD5_o_fo5M?t=149

exhibit a

[celest ore]

haven't had a chance to try mod juggernaut on a ce yet

looking forward to it

[dull forum]

mod is suprisingly easy to hit ngl

i thought it would be harder but

it does have a good timestop

built into it

[abstract yacht]

I rather toss the blackhole skill

that one also hurts but more importantly is wide

[dull forum]

that one chunks as well

he was using both but

realistically

the op can just decide between using the big aoe

or just awk and press that on u

i cant wait for next week

to get reworked ke

[celest ore]

i notice most of the pvp vids i see from kr are in ultrawide now

is it more common than not to play that way these days?

[dull forum]

ultrawide vs non ultra

is such a

really big diff

[mystic elbow]

MAN

[celest ore]

oh its a huge advantage LOL

[mystic elbow]

I WANT SALT

[dull forum]

like

the amount

of information that u gain from uw

[mystic elbow]

mm i had a pic of the differences one sec

[dull forum]

u can see all of rooftop

[hollow carbon]

keep in mind its CE with like 4 summons on the map

[mystic elbow]

ultrawide

[dull forum]

mhm

[mystic elbow]

normal

[celest ore]

god i love this when im playing my mn

😈 😈 😈

[mystic elbow]

CE shouldn't even b using summons

[dull forum]

the ting is

unironically

like

an aisha with

widescreen

is virtually

almost untouchable

u cant really dive them bc they see u coming

so they can charge free

[knotty kraken]

its like this with normal resolution and anything lower

actually a hinderance to your vision

[celest ore]

i mean i have an actual uw monitor and i still tell people to just make a custom res cause its too big of a difference to ignore

i even used to play in windowed until i realized people are actually using it now

[dull forum]

i do have uw

[celest ore]

cause it felt TOO cheaty

[dull forum]

cuz its just 2 good

to pass

lol

[celest ore]

real

[abstract yacht]

amateurs.

[mystic elbow]

obviously i have 1 but unless i do the nvidia thing

it has to be full screen

[abstract yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/589598373263441932.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[mystic elbow]

which i cant stand

[dull forum]

u can download

borderless

[mystic elbow]

so i just have it on 3440 x 1440

w h e r e

[celest ore]

elsword players pulling up with the

[hollow carbon]

its mad annoying

[mystic elbow]

thats legit my moms monitor

she has

[celest ore]

LOL

[hollow carbon]

she is calling me a runner when she has 4 summons on the map

[mystic elbow]

a 45 inc

monitor

LOL

[hollow carbon]

i find that very ironic

[celest ore]

LMAOOO

use it u wont

[mystic elbow]

I DID

IT LOOKED SO GOOFY

[celest ore]

💀 💀 💀

[dull forum]

u want the website

?

[mystic elbow]

ya

tys

[celest ore]

something happened on my end and i'm able to get fullscreen ultrawide in windowed mode now somehow

basically borderless

after further investigation tho i dont think it was kog's doing

[dull forum]

but yeah fr

as a melee

having uw is a must for some mus

[mystic elbow]

Dont mind the mess we were in the middle of moving

[dull forum]

WUT DA HALE

[celest ore]

its so goofy lmao

[mystic elbow]

thats my moms monitor

mine is 34 inch

[buoyant folio]

jesus

christ

what am I looking at

[abstract yacht]

actually doesnt look as offending.

the range of sight still looks pretty much like a ... 16:9?

[willow mural]

you guys arte evil

[abstract yacht]

or was it 19:6-
I forgot resolutions.

[buoyant folio]

Full Metal Alchemist: Judgement

[knotty kraken]

this is right

[abstract yacht]

basicall it just looks normal

but stretched out

no actual vision advantage

[mystic elbow]

naw i could def

see more

than normal

[celest ore]

i bought my first uw in like 2017 and tried it in elsword like "oh god, i should not be doing this"

[knotty kraken]

first number is width
second number is height

[abstract yacht]

yeah but currently on that img the rannge is pretty normal

[hollow carbon]

😭 what type of work she do to need this

[mystic elbow]

i should've went into spar it would've prob showed it better

she's gonna be a music producer

[knotty kraken]

see more bars

[mystic elbow]

funny enough

[knotty kraken]

🎵

[mystic elbow]

when i use widescreen

i play sooooo much worse

than normal

I play like.. a TP player

[dull forum]

☠️

bro

i remember

[celest ore]

that was me for the longest time

[dull forum]

the first time i played TP

[celest ore]

it was like such an advantage my brain just turned off

[dull forum]

also

why yall dont do 2s

[abstract yacht]

"feels wrong" sadly moral compass doesnt exist in pvp

[dull forum]

[abstract yacht]

everyone be using wide screen and thats basically the norm now

[mystic elbow]

im conflicted 😔

[celest ore]

TRUE 😭

[mystic elbow]

Devi is the better 2s Ara but

[celest ore]

back then it felt so illegal though

[mystic elbow]

i dont like her in 1s at all

[dull forum]

bro

shakti is broken 2222

look at eevee

🥶

[mystic elbow]

the +12

[knotty kraken]

i just hate other people

[dull forum]

well

11 can do well too

[abstract yacht]

Everyone is op

what is new

[dull forum]

yk who needs a bff lowkey

[mystic elbow]

Eevee has me using fox valley tho zz

[dull forum]

AD

:/

[mystic elbow]

.

anyways.

[dull forum]

brooo

nah im kidding ngl

after i picked up AD again

i was never this happy

🤣

[mystic elbow]

i fought your AD

n

wanted

to log out

[mystic elbow]

so bad

😄

[buoyant folio]

So did you log out

[mystic elbow]

no i stayed cuz its a learning experience

[hollow carbon]

this name feels like it come from warframe

[buoyant folio]

I also learn how to counter a constant 24/7 Super armor character

[dull forum]

pov what i see when i log in

[mystic elbow]

Excaliber

[knotty kraken]

no FL ic

[dull forum]

Everburn is

right there

[mystic elbow]

me when im blind

[hollow carbon]

oh yea you was the one in that room with Life where he was one shotting that BM and CA with bp

[mystic elbow]

get lucky in neutral!

[abstract yacht]

"AD needs buff"

my reaction to that information:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/949589674618396713/1183445189059162132/bandicam_2023-12-10_11-27-18-742.mp4?ex=65885c38&is=6575e738&hm=2e30c96357b87bf720343de60d139096684045acd7b7ab8618a3394eae92bd27&

[celest ore]

where the gs at
exiled for having white hair?

[dull forum]

yea

[mystic elbow]

they all went to RM

for some reason

[knotty kraken]

that 1% increase got everyone sweatin for RM

[abstract yacht]

what for

GS just recently got buffed and he is still stupid dumb in PvP

[dull forum]

bro

idk why they buff

gs

again

😭

THEY KEEP BUFFING THIS DAMN THING

[abstract yacht]

like why would they go RM when GS still shining over him on both sides LOL

[dull forum]

bro

i wanted 2 fund

[buoyant folio]

I'm legit hating Aishas rn

LMAO

[mystic elbow]

idk maybe they got bored

[buoyant folio]

WHY IS THERE NOTHING

BUT AISHAS TODAY

[dull forum]

another character but its so expesnive

i was gonna fund mrskellybones

[abstract yacht]

hold on time to pvp on my aes

[abstract yacht]

[buoyant folio]

I already stopped so I ain't doing anything for you buddy

[mystic elbow]

i kinda wanted to fund a CE

or CU

[dull forum]

bro the ting is

getting 7w 5/5

good luck paying 4~6b

the +11

and artifacts

☠️

[mystic elbow]

you're paying 4-6b for 7w ...?

[abstract yacht]

me who bought 7w for 1b:

[dull forum]

bro

7w is gone gone

that thing is

[mystic elbow]

[dull forum]

3~6b

[mystic elbow]

i got it for 1.5b no hangers ..

[dull forum]

same

i even got a 2nd 7w for

2b

[mystic elbow]

who's your dealer you're getting scammed 😭

[hollow carbon]

😭 i just got rena 7w for 1.5b

[dull forum]

sell

the aisha one

for 5b

:3

[hollow carbon]

😭 that would be scummy

[mystic elbow]

do it 😄

[mystic elbow]

someone was gonna buy RF 5/5 off me for 7b + hangers

[dull forum]

1b for a top is crazy

[hollow carbon]

i mean that set hair is worth atleast 3.5b

[mystic elbow]

no its not ..

[hollow carbon]

😭

[hollow carbon]

now thats a troll

[fiery lion]

g.g.g has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mystic elbow]

.

[dull forum]

bruyh

[celest ore]

7w does go kinda hard

[abstract yacht]

H A H

[celest ore]

LOL

[abstract yacht]

G O T T E M

[dull forum]

but yeah like

[hollow carbon]

😭 6b is wild

[dull forum]

its hard to find 5/5

for a reasonable price

[hollow carbon]

you try Emporium market?

[mystic elbow]

ngl rawr

[dull forum]

xgereint

☠️

[mystic elbow]

majority of the ppl r

i hate that guy

i hope he never finds his ign

[hollow carbon]

😭 everyone hates him

[mystic elbow]

rn sell their stuff overpriced

[dusk dock]

huh

[hollow carbon]

who bloodlies?

[mystic elbow]

what.

[dusk dock]

what's the topic? i just tuned in

[mystic elbow]

no gereint

he wants ign gereint

[dull forum]

7w being worth a house

[hollow carbon]

😭 lmao

[dull forum]

but yeah like im off funding characters

8 11s wasnt fun

[hollow carbon]

lmao im ded he want the ign name gereint

[mystic elbow]

geesus

[dull forum]

[hollow carbon]

that name is dodo butter

[dull forum]

bro

all the reds in the screenie

got an 11

:3

but i share the same duelist/ibs/etc

[mystic elbow]

mm I have SU, Devi, Apsara, n MtM w/ 11 vos or higher

[hollow carbon]

thought you retired mtm

[mystic elbow]

i mean yea but she still has 11 vos

im not dismantling that 😭

[dull forum]

theres no point

of dismantlnig rn

u dont get amulets anymore

gg

[hollow carbon]

😭 would she have gotten a amulet

[mystic elbow]

no

[dull forum]

no

[mystic elbow]

before enh update

[hollow carbon]

if some the enhancement levels was through ariel

[mystic elbow]

yea

now no

[abstract yacht]

no.

[mystic elbow]

wot r u even

talking about

[hollow carbon]

🤏 im this close to wanting to try mv

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wat is blud wafflinbout

minerva is annoying

[abstract yacht]

mv...?

[mystic elbow]

[abstract yacht]

music video....?

[dull forum]

bro

[hollow carbon]

thats what it make fun

[dull forum]

unironically when i was farming ap

[celest ore]

elsword loading screen tips be like “dismantle your costumes for el shards”

[dull forum]

on my AV

[abstract yacht]

...
MN

[dull forum]

i ran into this

[hollow carbon]

i lowkey want to play annoyingg just to ruin people day in arena

[mystic elbow]

was it LYLYS

[dull forum]

anri or watever guy

BRO

[mystic elbow]

oh

[dull forum]

AV HAS NO OPTIONS

VS MV

😭

[mystic elbow]

i fought lylys n was like

the hell do i even

do here

[hollow carbon]

WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE BMS PVP MAINS

[mystic elbow]

we only rly ever had like

2

now its just hayai

[hollow carbon]

😭 why am i saying that like i miss them

[dull forum]

u wanna see my

super armor dash actie

on av

[hollow carbon]

BM does way to much damage

[hollow carbon]

sure

[mystic elbow]

ya sure

[celest ore]

i play mn when i wanna get revenge on an aisha or smth

[mystic elbow]

are we getting jc soon

i would like to go back to

[celest ore]

or just when i feel like being a menace

[knotty kraken]

prob with 3rd lithia

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/429394428784803850/1182469153999827044/bandicam_2023-12-07_18-46-23-460_-_Trim.mp4?ex=660f3cb7&is=65fcc7b7&hm=4b7986e69b9aa293f7900ffb84af1c7d6046353e6aeeb34ddfacfb0c5a872bcc&

[mystic elbow]

thats so long from now...

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/589598373263441932.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

[knotty kraken]

as per the other two

[hollow carbon]

😭 naw going after your ops as mv is wild

[mystic elbow]

oh.

[celest ore]

LOOOL

[dull forum]

bro

and the hitbox is only

at ther end

😭

blindside is so mid

[mystic elbow]

aside from coin which

kinda feeds

i dont like any of

AVs actives

[willow mural]

blindside is so trash

[abstract yacht]

KoG probably like
when making char

they suddenly remember pvp for making actives

but mid making the class they go

"oh yeah gray dmg"

and then forget making actives for PvP

[dull forum]

her

^zx

is her best

gray dmg

the active is dookie

😭

[willow mural]

zxxxx flinging the opponent 100 feet into the air

[dull forum]

if u have

high enough gear

u can do >>zx loop

for 40k hits

:j

[dusk dock]

we should make a matchup chart

tbh

[dull forum]

thing is

tierlist/mu charts

in this game r not

feasible

[dusk dock]

real

nvm then

[dull forum]

like

u would need to have everyone with the same stats gear build etc

[knotty kraken]

me using mod kapow and bouncing you off the cieling

[celest ore]

yeah its basically like a megaproject

except you gotta do it again in 2 months

[dull forum]

plus theres character perception and bias as well

[abstract yacht]

you can make a chart
for each class

and how they deal vs each class individually

that means you have to make info
of how 1 class deal with the othet 59 classes
over 60 classes

[dusk dock]

too much work for little reward

[abstract yacht]

and even then

it may come out as terrible source

either by bias

or personal experience

[dusk dock]

yah

we are cooked

its so joever

[dull forum]

exactly

like

bias/personal experience/opinion is 2 much

being objective is

hard 4 this

like

i can go to tier maker

do smnt h like

[abstract yacht]

you can definitely enlist top classes

because its just a common enemy of everyone

[dull forum]

gg reds r bad

:/

[abstract yacht]

like
CA and TP and RV

but everyone else

is just a mixbag

[dusk dock]

i say we wait until 4th Lithia

:<

[dull forum]

well

theres not muich

that its gonna change

like

top top broken classes rn is

[celest ore]

having more people on board could potentially help with this but again i think it’s just too much data to consider for anyone to be able to collaborate on such a thing

would be arguments waiting to happen

[mystic elbow]

we'll be there for at least

an hour

per character

per class

[abstract yacht]

okay your suggestion fails at the first step: collaborating

[celest ore]

literally

[dusk dock]

tierlist might be an easier thing to do tbh

[abstract yacht]

imagine pvp players actually being nice

[celest ore]

LITERALLY

[abstract yacht]

to each other

:lmaocry:

[dusk dock]

dont win against us pvp playeers

we will literally flag

sticker

or whipser you

[mystic elbow]

naw id never

[dusk dock]

i always whisper

[dull forum]

this is like my opinion on like broken broken champs

[dusk dock]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[abstract yacht]

"dont mess with pvp players

we're like 10 but we are toxic as hell" 💀💀

[dusk dock]

OM is not broken

I won

[dull forum]

not ordered

but like

oz/aes is self explanatory

gs rv ca pr have really toxic/unapproachable options

[dusk dock]

[abstract yacht]

Any aisha really.

[dusk dock]

is this the part where we accidently summon Arnold

[dull forum]

like

mtm/la

r just annoying

but oz kills u off 1 catch

[abstract yacht]

MtM has an active that literally contests everything in the game

[dull forum]

and oz is always on snowball

[abstract yacht]

Energy ring can legit outright null even a CA

[dusk dock]

phantom breathing goes crazy

[dull forum]

this is on a 2s perspective btw

[abstract yacht]

and that's just says a lot about that button

[mystic elbow]

ik something that it wont contest

delayed rv

[dull forum]

😱

bloodythorns

uncontestable

but like

as i was saying

[celest ore]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-solid-gif-24704841

[dull forum]

hr is just broken

[dusk dock]

me when RV

^this is just me and AYS

tbh

[abstract yacht]

me when

[dull forum]

no feed, one of the best nukes and util in the game

cent is cent

rofl

super armor natal chart

🤣

[dusk dock]

im glad im +11 since last year s

[abstract yacht]

CeT: I heard you liked pokeballs

[dull forum]

nyx is

broken as well

[knotty kraken]

honestly for cet

if the extra missles didnt have hitstun

[mystic elbow]

nyx was pretty slept on for a while

[knotty kraken]

then he be a bit more bearable

[mystic elbow]

n so was dominator actually

[dusk dock]

DoM is something

[abstract yacht]

NP aerial command is so obnoxious

why does that cover like

half a screen

[dull forum]

+2mp a second, good crowd control, his dive is STUPIDLY strong

extremely cheap buttons

any class that clocks more than 1mp a sec is broken

☠️

[abstract yacht]

DoM has been slept on because ever since the nerfs to Shadow Descent and Install: that blackhole tenacity

he hasn't been the same since

[mystic elbow]

i dont think it was that

it was cuz no one played him

[dull forum]

dominator gets online

on 100mp

starfall until match end

🤣

[mystic elbow]

everyone was either

[abstract yacht]

MM was played a lot but when they nerfed his transcendence tenacity

I stopped seeing any MM on PvP

[mystic elbow]

or

even

[abstract yacht]

and that didn't change with 3rd job

[dull forum]

thats bc they didnt really

[mystic elbow]

neither has starfall

😭

[dull forum]

care to adapt

u clock 30mp on start up

u got boom on chaser

biggest issue is starfall ngl

lol

[abstract yacht]

I've also not felt their MP drain play as annoying anymore as it was before

like, his for some reason manages to feed me slightly more than what he drains

unlike PO where I literally

[dull forum]

it also got buffed

[abstract yacht]

just don't get to 100 MP

💀

[mystic elbow]

thank god we only got one weirdo

that still mp burns

on an Add

[dull forum]

drian builds

in general

r just not fun 2 play against

[mystic elbow]

t r u e

[abstract yacht]

MP at least now does manage to feed you more than what he drains after the nerfs to his tools

like, thanks for removing that active transcendence skill

thank you

[mystic elbow]

there was a PO running around mp burning

recently

[dull forum]

can we also talk

how they removed

counters

from the game

:/

[abstract yacht]

nah they're still there

they just made it more oriented vs command only

unless u mean passive counters

then yeah oof

[dull forum]

no like

elboy counters dont interact with skills anymore

meanwhile anemos/apsara still can

[abstract yacht]

Apsara got changed iirc to follow the same as Elsword's

[dull forum]

if a cc's nova gets

countered

its on the cc

:/

[abstract yacht]

just space it jk

Though honestly not many classes really make use of their counters

Like I don't think any Apsara ever thinks hmm yes I'ma slap counter here

[dull forum]

i think like

stuff like TB getting countered

80% of the time

is bad but like

[knotty kraken]

i like etws counter

[abstract yacht]

EtW's counter is so wacky at times

sometimes you just pressed it lightly for the iframe

[dull forum]

a big skill like nova that actively u gotta run the risk of getting nuked is kinda wak

[abstract yacht]

didn't go into counter stance

BUT SOMEHOW

YOU COUNTERED ON THE OPPONENT'S SCREEN

AND THE OPPONENT GOES FLYING

[dull forum]

https://i.gyazo.com/1db15d797f6273ebe7739477b587bc1e.gif

[mystic elbow]

her counter is 💩 anyway

[dull forum]

yasu dub

[mystic elbow]

im still GAGGED that i was told AN counter < Aps

[dull forum]

what

AN counter is the best in the game

[abstract yacht]

AN counter is instant AND IS THE WHOLE HITBOX

how is that worse than Aps

[dull forum]

like

[abstract yacht]

who told u that

let's go strangle him

[mystic elbow]

the local rena apologist

[dull forum]

imo its

anemos
aps
IM
ke
rm

when it comes to counter

[knotty kraken]

next?

[dull forum]

apsara cuz if u dont counter smnth u just get a free im out of here card

[mystic elbow]

mhm

[knotty kraken]

yup

[dull forum]

🤣

[abstract yacht]

I'd put IM above Aps

[dull forum]

IMs is kinda

good

but i really value apsaras rollback if it fails

[knotty kraken]

etws is at the bottom

[abstract yacht]

it has a hitbox immediately, on top of being able to reset himself if he gets a hit in the middle of the animation

[knotty kraken]

cause you dont use her counter for the counter

[dull forum]

i really dont count im stone and mutual reception as counters

ngl

[mystic elbow]

aps can be annoying cuz say i like use tri palm into counter n

a CA has MEB up

if i get hit by it, she rolls back

n ends up in the MEB anyway

[dull forum]

meb being broken as always

bro

im just surprised

[abstract yacht]

ALSO

this
https://youtu.be/uf14vl1vNII?si=zLUqHzumAevd2an7&t=23

[dusk dock]

😄

[dull forum]

they killed AD commands but they kept

RV GS PR

the same

🤣

im always gonna be assmad at that

[dusk dock]

double revives are fun tbh

😄

[mystic elbow]

that match looked like a fever dream

[dull forum]

w8

u dont use manareader

[dusk dock]

why would i

[mystic elbow]

[dull forum]

[dusk dock]

if you have played the game long enough

you know how much MP they got

smfh

[mystic elbow]

not rly

[dull forum]

mpr is a thing

[dusk dock]

i have been here

[mystic elbow]

bc mpr

[dusk dock]

since Raven release

i know when im about ot get nuked

[abstract yacht]

except you may think that they have about 160 MP and you might be right

HOWEVER

mpr

[mystic elbow]

i dont think its just about nuking

[abstract yacht]

and then they throw a bravery at you

and you didn't expect it

[dull forum]

not running mana reader is like inting hella hard nowdays

[mystic elbow]

its also about booms/oki's they could have up