pvp

[abstract yacht]

Oz could have her locked right there

no wonder Phantom Breathe never got hit throughout the entirety of its existence 🛌

If you don't have a succ skill or straight up an iron body-like skill, you don't trade super armors/iframes with chung... ever

heavy stance outright nulled that first steel body cuz you can't be (normal) stunned in heavy stance

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898029171123568711.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

what is happening in this video 😭

[dusk dock]

gottem

[warm hornet]

nahh, it's more like steel body doesn't have a lingering hurt box and it ended up whiffing. my personal client sidded experience

wait...

let me rewatch it...

ok, never mind.

forget what i said.

[kindred frost]

Thank you so much ays for helping me learn more advanced combos ;u; I feel so cared about

[abstract yacht]

it hit him
he cancelled the heavy stance into land smash immediately cuz of it

I'm referring to the first trade in the video btw, not the second one

[empty ore]

One that Oz did wrong was try that she kept focusing on damage rather than trying to force breaks. It really backfired on her.

[willow mural]

i should go back and try 2s again

its really fun to watch

that minerva came in clutch

[empty ore]

Make a 2s room so you can get a feel for it

[willow mural]

cant now

farming

🧑‍🌾

[marsh plume]

2s nowadays is casual central

[abstract yacht]

dunno about that

I go to 2s and my partner yells at me for not doing what he wants me to do

[glass echo]

Tell your partner to get anger management classes

And to never boss you around again

Or else you'll int his games

[oblique sundial]

just turn off chat and int the games anyways

what are they going to do, report you?

[glass echo]

True

They don't even moderate the Discord which is way easier

So what makes you think they moderate the game

[oblique sundial]

Oh they definitely monitor the discord

But only for defamation and swearing

[kindred frost]

My most powerful weapon for that:

[celest ore]

real

[oblique sundial]

me when i two tap a whale with ambush

[misty fable]

another day in pvp ||why do I always come back to this unfair part of the game||

[empty ore]

Your first mistake was being bigott

[misty fable]

I just wanted to try to play him

[dusk dock]

relatable

this is why 3s is not the wave in NA

😭

[orchid yoke]

pvp moment

[versed knot]

Your first match is just w/e gear checks happens. Your 2nd tho you just ran into skills after waking up twice without attempting to mash skills back

[warm hornet]

he chose not to use a skill because the begott would get caught right after the skill.

got no skills to avoid being pined down.

[warm hornet]

going to get caught anyways? may as well return hell somehow. (the second clip)

[abstract yacht]

second one is also gear check to some degree

lack of light resistance

for once

[versed knot]

It's like idk much about ain 4th but there's gotta be something he can do with 300mp

Or not even that and just press obten

[pallid parcel]

there is one

[versed knot]

Exactly what I'm thinking of, pretty popular skill

He doesnt have it in the vid but ya cant tell me out of the 9 skills that are pressable + however many force active are available, there's nothing you cant do

[hollow hound]

Can someone tell why the heck that bank skill stay for long in field?

[abstract yacht]

because of PvE purposes.

[buoyant folio]

💀

I can't believe

I queued up against an Aussie twice in a row today

the dude literally cannot be caught and I lost because of that 😭

like are you fr

I was almost 80% to SSS

and it's down to 50%

uuugh

[hollow hound]

CC.

[buoyant folio]

CC.

[dusk dock]

Me tryna get just 50% fr

What time did you play PvP

After the maintenance?

[glass echo]

Best time to PvP is at midnight NA time 😊

[mystic elbow]

[dusk dock]

Fr

So so real

[buoyant folio]

Dude

are australians

just suddenly active in NA now LOL

There ain't no way I got queued immediately with one 😭

Literally the 2nd person I fought from [Aussies] with similar latency

js

[willow mural]

bless their souls

they have cute accents

[buoyant folio]

?

Who have you b een talking to recently Ben LOL

[willow mural]

nobody

i just think the accent is cute

[buoyant folio]

Ben

that is very suspicious

I'm going to have to court martial you.....

[heavy spear]

i agree with you ben

they are very pleasing accents to listen to

[dusk dock]

Ben got a point tho

Elsword vc when

Oh btw

2s for fun if anyone wants to join in spar

[warm hornet]

no revive passive/title/synergy.

[glass echo]

I'd say poor Add but prob deserved

[oblique sundial]

every add deserves this ngl

[clever sigil]

when he popped the "DEFIBREILATOR" I felt extacy seeing that fail as a Execute/ One-shot

also , Gesus AYS, you just keep on evolving

[mystic elbow]

177k Defib

Thats log off worthy

[warm hornet]

no need to dis.

it was first 394k

@clever sigil @oblique sundial @glass echo @mystic elbow

[oblique sundial]

ive done more with ambush

¯_(ツ)_/¯

skill issue

[warm hornet]

literal "skill" issue

that thing ignores all forms of defense.

[oblique sundial]

yes

have 800k hp or lose

[warm hornet]

my 9.1% crit resist is my savior.

XD

[glass echo]

Best I can do is 500k hp

[oblique sundial]

good thing the skill has 100% crit rate

[warm hornet]

very sure i remember it doing non-crits to me. and thus it took more than 2 of those things to kill me.

[dusk dock]

500k HP gang gang

I need an editor

these clips i keep getting

are too funny

[oblique sundial]

unlucky for the cata ig, imagine not hitting a crit with a 91% chance of critting lul

[mystic elbow]

Huh

Me?

Where was the diss

394k is log off worthy too

[warm hornet]

XD

[mystic elbow]

If my NUKE

GAME ENDING NUKE

DOES 177k

Bro im crying

😭😭😭😭

[versed knot]

I once pressed pen bullet twice in a game and both of em didnt crit

[dusk dock]

LOL

[mystic elbow]

💀💀💀

That happens on SU bro

[abstract yacht]

thats why u still socket crit a lot in pvp + unique indomitable

[mystic elbow]

I am not using indom 💀

That requires me to be half HP

[abstract yacht]

I mean there isnt much passive choices anyway

I use ignite illipia and indom
I have not found an use of something else

[mystic elbow]

Ignite and El Lady is all I need

[abstract yacht]

oh el lady

[mystic elbow]

And illipia obviously

[knotty kraken]

grandma passive

[noble pelican]

Does she have a cooldown?

[abstract yacht]

I dont find use to el lady tbh

she does

[mystic elbow]

I find a lot of use

It pressures my opponent to avoid it which means I can go after them

Or it pressures them to manabreak

Or pressures them to just take the dmg

[noble pelican]

I was thinking of getting that passive ‘cause I do a lot of cmds

[abstract yacht]

everytime ppl proc lady on me

nothing of value changes

el lady procs off anything
not just cmd

[noble pelican]

Finally got the 3rd slot not too long ago

[mystic elbow]

Good for u ..

But it works for me

[abstract yacht]

it can even proc off DB's psychic storm counter dmg

[noble pelican]

Really?! Wow

[abstract yacht]

https://youtu.be/SIBoMB0NhBk?t=55s

old video

[noble pelican]

Indom sounds nice, though…gonna take me months to get unique 😭

[mystic elbow]

U can take indom over ignite nowadays

Cuz it starts on cooldown

[noble pelican]

That’s so funny

[mystic elbow]

For 1s at least

[noble pelican]

That’s good to know

[noble pelican]

I get caught all the time, so it’ll help

[mystic elbow]

Youre also a char that does decent command dmg

So yea indom could work for u

[noble pelican]

I’ve jced-

[mystic elbow]

Yea youre LA

[noble pelican]

😔

Ah

I’ll figure out a way to get indom

I’ll get to use the 3rd slot for once

[noble pelican]

Old lady ready to throw hands with anyone, cmds or not

[abstract yacht]

rewatching this video Im realizing half the dmg he did to me wasnt even cuz he actually hit me

half the dmg was just me hitting myself with his psychic buff l m a o

the days when DB was a tank menace

[warm hornet]

so potentially, i can have 1,000,000 HP

[noble pelican]

Doesn’t core negate/reduce dmg as well?

[warm hornet]

it do.

[noble pelican]

Ayyee! That’s pretty cool! Nice build 👍🏼

[warm hornet]

but on certain matchups, it becomes hard or less viable to use core guard.

because some attacks or skills can ether ignore core guard or chew up a charge instantly.

[noble pelican]

I’m still figuring out how to combat eves when core is up

[warm hornet]

For Rose, Auto guns out right ignore my core guard except all the other 3 guns.

[warm hornet]

cross ups, get behind real quick, a stun skill, ravens standing Z.

[noble pelican]

Tiny bullets ignore ancient technology

[noble pelican]

Ty for the advice!

[warm hornet]

also, turning yourself around with AOE skill will make it a back hit.

[noble pelican]

Advance tech right there

[warm hornet]

^ if everyone starts doing that funny stuff, i have to play rock paper scissors with ya as well. XD

[noble pelican]

So, core sounds like a Chung blue outline

Chung’s seems stronger

[warm hornet]

yes, but it just uniqe with it's own rules.

nahh, chungs is more consistent and has less damage reduction than core guard.

[noble pelican]

Imagine if core was as consistent as chung’s

[warm hornet]

nahh, it'll be too good for Code Antithesis.

[noble pelican]

💀

For real

[warm hornet]

so the actual name is called "Queen's Shield".

for eve that is.

but it's a guard never the less.

[noble pelican]

Sounds elegant than “core”

[warm hornet]

75% damage reduction.

raven also have this too.

[warm hornet]

and i love getting moments like these.

if the Add turned around when he pulled up the big box, i would had been dead.

or a faster reaction

because why not be stun locked if your nuke skill didn't kill.

[noble pelican]

Immortal Queen!

[noble pelican]

It was a great showcase that tanking can be fun 👍🏼

[abstract yacht]

hit them from behind.

and just keep hitting as well
Core isnt really that great in terms of reversing
not from my experience at least
from what I can tell, when Eves press X/Z to dash backwards with it they lose the iframe way before they can do something
so you can keep punishing them after the dash
and also like any other guard effect it cancels from a back hit.

[warm hornet]

it's only the X button, but yea.

[abstract yacht]

every case an Eve has reversed me is because the backward dash doesnt actually go back and instead Eve stays in place
so I phase through them and miss my comboes
but that doesnt happen often

[warm hornet]

but with enough multi hits (taking/Receiving), Eve can get another core charge to block more damage.

[warm hornet]

Example: "Critical Dive" from Empire Sword, that skill instantly chews two charges of the Core Guard (the attack was blocked but it won't block additional hits).

[coral slate]

hey does anyone know what specialization sokcets i should put on spare gear for nova imperator/rage hearts

[mystic elbow]

crit dmg > mpr > whatever skill youre stacking

[coral slate]

okayokay perfect tysm

[mystic elbow]

[warm hornet]

or be a mad man like me and put on Dual Magic Stone of Retaliation.

[oblique sundial]

or dont do that

[buoyant folio]

I wish

they'd bring back old magic stones back

modernize them

😔

[oblique sundial]

dunno how much thatd even effect ngl

[dusk dock]

anyone wanna spar?

ping if interested

[marsh plume]

w enough dmg or depending on class some run asd over cdmg**

[mystic elbow]

Hes NI

N RH

[knotty kraken]

spar anyone?

[mystic elbow]

shore @knotty kraken

[knotty kraken]

:D

[mystic elbow]

imma go on pc

[knotty kraken]

kk rooms open

[mystic elbow]

whats pass

[knotty kraken]

Cass

[noble pelican]

I still have 1. a crit, atk spr, and movement spd

[noble pelican]

Thinking about it 👀

[mystic elbow]

this devi char is not for me 😭

[rich quail]

That makes two of us.

[noble pelican]

Devi’s range attacks look so pretty, though

[mystic elbow]

yea but she can't contest SA for anything

[noble pelican]

I haven’t played her enough, especially in PvP

[mystic elbow]

idk how to pressure ppl to mb on this char

[noble pelican]

^x ?

[mystic elbow]

naw thats just her combo

what i mean by pressuring is

that im doing or about to do a lot of dmg

so u have to mb it

[noble pelican]

Ohhhh

[knotty kraken]

idk i just kinda felt something was coming

now wether or not that worked

is debatable

[mystic elbow]

my nuke costs 86 mp so thats cool

the other one around 115 mp

[knotty kraken]

i really need to learn how to use skills 😔

[mystic elbow]

i need to figure out why im not doing dmg

[knotty kraken]

i used one of my main damage skills once

throughout those 24 matches

[mystic elbow]

u have almost no reason to use a dmg skill thats why

[knotty kraken]

yea i dont like playing with my main weap

and having to use skills to do damage

[mystic elbow]

the dmg diff wasn't that big ngl

[knotty kraken]

yea prob becuase with my main weapon i still have 70% crit

dunno

i just feel better with double attack + oor

[mystic elbow]

might as well use it then

tho i do think u should at least get stages 1 & 2

n get that weap to +11

[knotty kraken]

im trying 😭

at least with enh

[mystic elbow]

or u can switch the weapons

[knotty kraken]

stages i dont care

[mystic elbow]

full double attack +11 foj would be better than +10 vos

cuz at base +10 vos < +11 foj

[knotty kraken]

the vos im currently working on is still +9

the one im trying to switch to

[celest ore]

she was a menace back in the day when this exact thing was less
prevalent

i dont see her much these days

[mystic elbow]

work on the +10..

[knotty kraken]

it has [Ariel] in the name

[mystic elbow]

yea for sure

[knotty kraken]

makes me sick

[mystic elbow]

i think shes a crazy good char but idk for some reason

im just not doing enough dmg

could be my crit is too low

somehow

[mystic elbow]

its ok to be an [Ariel] VoS gamer just dont play like 1

see

Ariel VoS

[knotty kraken]

i do tho...........

you saw me play

[mystic elbow]

not rly

u were playing better than me lol

[noble pelican]

Beautiful outfit!

[knotty kraken]

character diff

[mystic elbow]

tys

[noble pelican]

[mystic elbow]

i mean u were adapting to my playing pretty well so

[versed knot]

But still getting bullied eh

[knotty kraken]

i doubt i could s1-2 another vos

also my accs could use some work

[mystic elbow]

very much so

[knotty kraken]

i forget to get a mana neck

for our matches

[versed knot]

Lol AM neck for cdr ofc ofc

[knotty kraken]

its mpr

[versed knot]

Wow actually?

Das hot

[knotty kraken]

idk what other accs to switch to tho

kinda just go with whatever

[versed knot]

Naw you'll be ok with that 7b acc

pve wise anyways

[knotty kraken]

no i usually switch it out for a mana neck

[versed knot]

Yes for pvp

Other wise you can try and get RF 2/4 + MR 2/4 for the mpr

[celest ore]

why do i have agate in my pvp kit

[knotty kraken]

throwing fr

[celest ore]

fr

[mystic elbow]

@versed knot

[versed knot]

Lol that spike of his at the end

But what are ya telling me

[mystic elbow]

the spike was it

[versed knot]

It was a funny spike indeed

[mystic elbow]

ok naw i needa go back to shakti she is sooooo much more fun

[versed knot]

You say that but all you want is that 500k 50mp >:C

[mystic elbow]

i want a godtier ara

[versed knot]

Lucky for you, you got 4 of em >:C

[mystic elbow]

OUTRAGEOUS TAKE

[versed knot]

Burn me

[mystic elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-mob-riot-torches-pitchforks-gif-5859895

[versed knot]

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[hollow hound]

Is Ice Queen worth for pvp?

[mystic elbow]

yea

[hollow hound]

Okay, thanks.

[heavy spear]

is PO stronger than MN overall for 1s or is it the other way around

[mystic elbow]

Other way

[versed knot]

No no PO got that dark shenanigan

[warm hornet]

Imagine if it was wind element.

[heavy spear]

i feel like the constant flying would just annoy me as MN but i could try her out for a bit next time free jc comes

[versed knot]

MN definitely has a different feel than most char for sure

[heavy spear]

i'll either get annoyed because i play too aggro or she'll force me to learn how to actually play defensively

[versed knot]

If you want/can I'm about to make a sparr, you can come join and see MN

@errant yacht Room up

[errant yacht]

oh u chat here now?

[versed knot]

I always here wym

[errant yacht]

i never use this channel

[heavy spear]

ex-c viper is pretty okay

[noble pelican]

I just got unique indom…so much crits

I can see how it’s viable. Never really thought about upgrading it

[dusk dock]

Cosmo

i had no neutral

so dont be sad for me

😭

[versed knot]

Oor build mtm wen

[noble pelican]

You went easy on me, and I appreciate it a lot

[dusk dock]

Alch?

is that you

[noble pelican]

Someday. I’m having fun with LA pvp

[dusk dock]

IGN?

[noble pelican]

MadamCosmos 👀

[dusk dock]

o

that match

was

somethin

LOL

[noble pelican]

😬😬😬

[dusk dock]

didnt record it tho

cuz im washed

;c

[noble pelican]

It really was something

I thought Code Yellow was gonna get me

Guess eclipse shielded me from the nuke

[dusk dock]

my code yellow

goes crazy

if i want it too

but nowadays

i prefer to kill slowly with commands and actives

❤️

uh oh

AYS is typing...

😓

[noble pelican]

[warm hornet]

[dusk dock]

at least you play Aisha in a fun way, Cosmo

[noble pelican]

If matches are gonna end quickly, might as well have fun with it

[noble pelican]

Ty for the kind words!

[dusk dock]

ofc

anytime

❤️

[warm hornet]

game be gaming.

[abstract yacht]

????

that wasnt even client sided

you straight up said nah Im out of here drops off Oi

[fiery lion]

dekomlev has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dusk dock]

im malding

[warm hornet]

that's why i said sorry and bailed that interaction.

[dusk dock]

;c

so mad that I chose Add to main

instead of buggy Eve

😭

[warm hornet]

but you have the nasod command.

if that gets interupted, you can retaliate after it don'tcha?

[dusk dock]

im not doom bringing anymore

also

the stun is so weird

im cooked

like be fr

not a single skill from OM

links to DP combo

😭

[warm hornet]

so it's only commands?

[dusk dock]

in terms of?

DP combo needs an ender to link into

1. need to be awakened

2. need enough DP

3. ???

4. Lose

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[glass echo]

Wth are those symbols next to peoples' names?

[warm hornet]

they are "Mark"

you can check them out in the "customize" from the bottom icons.

[abstract yacht]

no.

along with many passive counters removed; NAC also got it removed.

you can block dmg from taking a hit during NAC but you can't reset the command out of it anymore.

[warm hornet]

what i assume is, after blocking, Add can just use a skill.

with good reaction

[abstract yacht]

no because he has a blocking animation

he takes a hit then has to do a recoil animation

during that animation he doesnt have super armor nor iframe

so u can get him right away.

[warm hornet]

hmm...

[abstract yacht]

Chung on the other hand... when taking a hit on heavy stance he proceeds to guard and can instantly cancel the guarding into a skill for absolutely no reason

[warm hornet]

[hollow hound]

Define "having neutral".

[warm hornet]

for me, is forcing a trade or conditioning.

and most of the time, fail trying.

[hollow hound]

Example?

[warm hornet]

from the video above, i did >>^XX high in the air to contest laby's air movement.

and if i show you more of the recording, it worked several times.

but the thing for me, if she decided to slow down on jumping sky high, i'll be falling down from >>^XX and it would be a free catch.

i tossed a mega electron ball high up there and she managed to touch it by accident as well.

[versed knot]

Neutral is in term of resources no one is gaining anything and each player will try and go off neutral into positive using the their kits

[warm hornet]

2nd clip she managed to hit me in the air, but failed to follow up fast enough. (i could had used a force active as well.)

and then the funny groggy interaction is another story

[warm hornet]

where both players are at nether in an advantage or disadvantage. But for Elsword, gaps on Health and Mana will make advantage/disadvantage more apparent regardless of positioning and distance.

[versed knot]

Groggy is so weird, sometimes it breaks SA and sometimes it doesnt

Also that was my ras, gg AYS

Hope you dont mind my day 1 pvp with ras

[warm hornet]

i remember multi hits groggy breaks SA and puts you into hitstun after the 2nd hit.

now it doesn't....?

i remember fighting a EternityWinter

She always had to shoot out another groggy attack for me every time i tank the awakening with "v".

but this was like months ago.

[warm hornet]

ggs.

[dusk dock]

WHEN I GET YOU AYS

😭

[hollow carbon]

is their a techinque to doing this

where you jump on a platform an try to get down fast

[warm hornet]

i think it involves dashing to do them fast falls.

wait....

ashia can't spring step right?

[versed knot]

How do you mix up their and there

[hollow carbon]

be quiet sassy lmao

[versed knot]

How about you be grammarly correct

Period

[hollow carbon]

lmaooooo

[dusk dock]

uh

dont you just dash jump

and press down?

😮

[abstract yacht]

entirely depends on the move you are countering

it is weird but not random

groggy reacts the same everytime vs each given super armor attack

f.e. if u groggy an FP who is currently using rapid cannon
you will "remove" his super armor but he'll a l w a y s act like you didnt at all.

opposite of that
trick shot will have its super armor actually removed and you can hit him out of the skill animation into a hitstun

[versed knot]

Roger that

Still trynna connect the dots between CE's v button vs what you said

If anything the v button should falls under trickshot category, for short animation

[abstract yacht]

I dont remember her V having any super armor

[versed knot]

It does

[abstract yacht]

🤔

[warm hornet]

for PvP.

in PvE, she becomes intangible like a special active skill.

[versed knot]

Now idk why CA has iframe but that's another can of worm

[abstract yacht]

alsoo never contest with groggy stun against an IM or a NI spamming their respective XXXX's

they act the same as FP rapid cannon

[versed knot]

Lol at this point I'll just heck around and find out what can be broken

[dusk dock]

LF> Add super armor commands

Mental Hygiene can only do so much in 4 seconds

;c

[versed knot]

It's ok, you'll miss the defib anyways

[warm hornet]

same with oberon guard with 3 seconds.

[dusk dock]

Me when defib should actually revive teammates instead of being another one shot move

[versed knot]

Kog did OM dirty

[dusk dock]

on god

No useful commands, no skill to DP combo with

I am in the trenches

😭

I am joking btw

[abstract yacht]

Mental Hygiene was 6s before iirc on KR release

but because of its CD + Suction's mp cost

he could infinitely camp you with mental into suction back and forth

[mystic elbow]

He deserves it

[abstract yacht]

making him literally unapproachable

[dusk dock]

Suction goes crazy

[mystic elbow]

The hell r u even tryna do

[versed knot]

Trynna spell there but failed

[dusk dock]

Give me those 2 seconds back

pls and ty

[mystic elbow]

💀

4.2 gpa going crazy

[dusk dock]

Ayo?

Fr?

[versed knot]

Das crazy

[dusk dock]

Buff OM tbh

[mystic elbow]

Nah

[dusk dock]

😭

[versed knot]

No

[dusk dock]

Tears in my eyes

[versed knot]

Also dang I have that laby around but never saw em play

[dusk dock]

they really tried to hit me

with the ez one two

[versed knot]

There was an attempt

[dusk dock]

thank god her hitboxes are reasonable

sometimes

;s

[warm hornet]

once again, a reason why i don't bother getting a revive.

[dusk dock]

Suction

Raid Acc

Unmodded Detox

[versed knot]

Tbf revive is only good if you res more than 1 HP

[dusk dock]

I have my ways to deal with revives

I just wish they dont stack with the classes' passive tbh

[versed knot]

But FS revive is only a minor plus

The other effects are more worth while

[abstract yacht]

FS is only worth it because its literally GoE + Eclipse in one

if u gonna use GoE for burst or Eclipse for the dmg red, then there's no reason not to use FS instead which has both

[hollow carbon]

hm dont worry about it

[dusk dock]

Chat, what was she cooking?

[mystic elbow]

Lmao 718k

[dusk dock]

Ignore that

[heavy spear]

i like PO's aesthetic but her kit just isn't for me

[empty ore]

I think thats the end result many come to

[heavy spear]

i was drawn to inno/dem for the same reasons topkek

[hollow carbon]

Magik play aisha since when

mustve just picked her up

i only he or she as CU main or was it CS

[oblique sundial]

she can, its just not worth doing and its harder than like 90% of the steps in the game

ain can too

[heavy spear]

there was this hideously laggy KE that i fought months ago on my cata, he'd skip frames and drop packets and interrupt me mid-combo

just fought him again twice, still dropping packets but both times he disconnected

elsword moment i guess.

[glass echo]

Doxx him

[heavy spear]

i'm not that kind of tumblrina

[versed knot]

It's always funny to see your laggy opp just gone

[heavy spear]

i'd like to think he ragequit both times

he absolutely had the gear advantage, he did so much more damage than me when he was able to catch me

i just kept zoning him out

[coral slate]

what should i put sockets on pvp gear?

ragehearts to be exact

[warm hornet]

like... what do you want out of it?

more damage?

more defense?

speed?

mana cost reduction?

a tank gimmick like me stacking magic stone of Retaliation, use Indomitable will, Maximize, Additional damage, topped up HP.

or become an elemental plague of grabbing lots of elemental chance +% of your desired element.

use double attacnk and wind element on your weapon to become the Combo Master?

[empty ore]

Ill give a more boring answer

Assuming you're going for the more basic do commands. get mp to DS or GS.

Get the usual stuff,
Action speed: 125% (Really easy these days with Duelist)
Damage Reduction: 40%
Crit/Maxi: 75% minimum.

[warm hornet]

^ general recomend stats.

to "survive"

or go glass cannon of investing all into damage/utility.

[empty ore]

Specialize go ASD, you want your Devastating strike to hurt

Socket dignity stones on your gear so you can get mpr, nowadays ppl have at least 30%

[warm hornet]

and i'm the exeption of that.

high mana cost reduction = more "easy" opportunities of maintaining advantage

because ether it be your "Area of Effect" skills, "Black Hole" skills, etc.

[mystic elbow]

you basically play at a disadvantage constantly if you dont have mpr

[dusk dock]

i thought 120% action speed was enough

😭

[mystic elbow]

if u think about it even in terms of mirror matches

its always gonna be

whoever gets their nuke first

wins

n if you're in a mirror where your nuke is 300 mp bc you have no mpr

[warm hornet]

for me, if i tank your nuke, i can still win

[dusk dock]

mirrior matches are the worst because I know what they know but they know that I know what they know so we both know its going to be a stressful match.

[mystic elbow]

and your mirror has a 300 mp nuke as well but they have 30% mpr

[warm hornet]

i love mirror matches as CE

[mystic elbow]

gz their nuke is now 200mp

[dusk dock]

i hate OMirror Matches

because like Cassian said

whoever defibs first

wins

😭

its so boring

[mystic elbow]

yea unfortunately thats just the reality

of mostly 1s

[warm hornet]

i've eaten two genocide rippers and i'm A'ok.

[dusk dock]

i only nuke if I get tired of their

oki

semi-lying

;c

[mystic elbow]

i play shakti so my nuke is

basically

my entire bar

😄

[dusk dock]

LOL

LF> no nuke meta

when two shots tbh

[mystic elbow]

ngl im fine w/ nukes

it kills aishas

[dusk dock]

ON GOD

[abstract yacht]

when you know what he knows and he knows what you know so you play 5D chess and end up not knowing what either will do

[empty ore]

Destroy the Aishas as quickly as you can

[dusk dock]

if they dont know, then i dont know

everyone loses

😭

[warm hornet]

yush!

[dusk dock]

I FINALLY GOT AYS

[warm hornet]

[mystic elbow]

352k

[dusk dock]

Ignore that

It was a crit anyway so dw about it

[clever sigil]

call me wrong, is that NF?

[mystic elbow]

its a henir title iirc

[clever sigil]

Nop.e i take the words back

[dusk dock]

NEFFEX?

[clever sigil]

Never heard NF use profanity , so my butt is wrong

Nope, Refeering to your music.

[mystic elbow]

oh

[dusk dock]

https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0zDKxyMgyMbc0YPRiy0tNS0utAABJowaI&q=neffex&rlz=1C1VDKB_enUS1048US1048&oq=neffex&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqCggBEC4YsQMYgAQyBwgAEAAYjwIyCggBEC4YsQMYgAQyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEC4YgAQyBggEEAAYAzIGCAUQRRg9MgYIBhBFGD0yBggHEEUYPdIBCDI2NTZqMGo0qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[dusk dock]

Is this toxic behavior? Asking because of a friend.

[willow mural]

Why are u playing with screen flashes on 😭

[hollow hound]

Hmmm, I actually don't know is that is "toxic" (if you are refering to you letting the oponent attack you to gain mana and then oneshot him). For me it's, just a kind of gameplay (that I don't like) but I don't think it can be considered "toxic". It's like a RH that let be attacked to gain mana, mana break, awake and cast DV to oneshot.

[dusk dock]

don't worry about that

[dusk dock]

thank you for your input

[abstract yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/628592392055816213/1195640734041247824/toxic.mp4?ex=6607c8b4&is=65f553b4&hm=508b3a1580168642423a7f7713ab5414888697996c3ef7765b18ea6d8f8ddb62&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006998502942982245/1155323388307443782/bandicam_2023-09-23_20-43-26-870_-_Trim.mp4?ex=6608c440&is=65f64f40&hm=5fae23987e04e5c03c1265dd0a4fb4e80c39781fc94797b1263afa01cac6f890&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006998502942982245/1079005931821613086/bandicam_2023-02-25_06-38-55-402.mp4?ex=6607fb15&is=65f58615&hm=b1f95dfd772ec0299d946e603954e960558dadc7a7faf8ecddf60f743233d9b3&

no, this is.

[dusk dock]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Chung be like

[fiery lion]

dekomlev has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dusk dock]

THAT LAST ONE

DIDNT EVEN NEED THAT

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-tears-oh-my-gif-13842424

@abstract yacht wanna spar? quene is ded

[abstract yacht]

nah its 7:30 AM I shouldve hit bed 2 hrs ago LMAO

[noble pelican]

Currently loving this build with some element chance % ‘cause combos are fun!

With the punch event going on + phoru pt 4, would the +10 foj be considered a “minimum requirement “ for pvp now?

[hollow hound]

Oh, I forgot my weap does not have any attributes.

[rich quail]

Probably the free VoS from the second punch event, TBH.

[hollow hound]

What is "oki"?

I need like a dictionary for all those strange pvp terms you use. Lol.

[buoyant folio]

oki is a PvP term that means they'll start queuing at the same time as you

[hollow hound]

Oh.

[mystic elbow]

It basically means recatching

[hollow hound]

Okay, thxs.

[mystic elbow]

I forgot how it was rly explained but i think its a skill or smth u do that pressures your opponent into being recaught

Ik that phantom breeding is a perfect oki

You’re always gonna be recaught by it

[versed knot]

Okizeme is the full term

Is just recatching

[clever sigil]

imo? half n half.
It's along the line of "Freebie- SIKE!, " Considering you're letting him get those free combos off while punishing nothing. (to give benefit of the doubt, that FB needs to get used to X-dropping.)

If it's a tactic? hey, a tactic is a tactic. God forbid you do this, and the opponent can punish/ read your evade faster than reading a Perfect EWGF (from kazuya).

Happy Monday btw.

and I would ask you this, If you were playing sub-par-ish, thinking you'd get a free kill off my RV, and i decided to do the "Evade -> Awaken -> INVADE (but you don't have enough mana for a MB or didn't expect it)" Would you see it as a tactic? or Toxic?

No beef from me, I wanna see your mindset.

[versed knot]

Is that an open question or is it for dek

[dusk dock]

yes

it can be both

and to answer the questions

It is a more fun approach for me to deal with arena,

My mindset is to try to enjoy arena as much as I can

If that helps.

[hollow hound]

I know the question id not aimed to me but I think is more subjective. Depends on what you consider "toxic" in an Elsword pvp context.

[dusk dock]

flagging can be seen as toxic

[clever sigil]

for Dek, But answer if you'd like.

[dusk dock]

or even stickers

i dont do all of that

i give my opponent a chance to show me what they are made of

[hollow hound]

Yeah, I think that is toxic.

[dusk dock]

and if they intrigue me, I will fight back

[hollow hound]

Because is some kind of mockery.

[dusk dock]

but if they bore me in any capacity such as leaky combos, poor converisons, or lazy infinities,

[hollow hound]

Yep, that too in my opinion.

[dusk dock]

I let them take the win

I would rather not prove myself better to someone who is below me

no disrepsect in any form

its just obvious who can be the better player in certain matches

just don't expect someone to be at 100% to match your own %

Everyone has their own trials and tribulations

Who am I to help them remember allat when we just want to play our manga?

[hollow hound]

What do you do when you have fought the same person a lot of times and you loose everytime because you actually can do nothing against that person? Like, a OP with Plagued IV that chatch you and you can't manabreak.

[dusk dock]

who? me?

[hollow hound]

Anyone.

[dusk dock]

Either let them take the win

or

Show them who rules this match.

Just because they are using an annoying gimmick

doesn't mean they can't lose

I'm sorry to say but you will have to remove the tunnel vision and see a way to counter them

but tbh

that's too much effort for just one person

and they bore me

so i will mostly give them the win

90% of the time

let the higher ranks deal with them

I don't have the time to waste on players like that.

[clever sigil]

insanity-wise:
We ball.

based on my char choice, I'm looking for a solution. If it's Dark? attribute switching, looking at their style, checking their approaches, the same shibang.

(continued) to add on, I don't know everything on hand, and some skills you got can be viable against em.
For raven: Person likes to play long distance approaching? (time for dashing Special actives/ gap closers), opponent is hasteful, and moves arond fast? or read most of your moves? Active timing, check their approaches.

[mystic elbow]

Depends if u want to get better

If you want to improve

U need to learn how to fight against that

So avoiding it does nothing for u

[hollow hound]

I mean, there is always a chance to win them if you already know their playstyle and flaws but still is frustrating.

[dusk dock]

Then take a break and think,

[mystic elbow]

If not then take a break from queue n start again later

[dusk dock]

Let them suffer.

You don't need to try against a one-trick.

All that leads to is self-destructive behaviors.

[mystic elbow]

Thing is, ppl who mp burn play sloppy as hell.

[dusk dock]

^

[mystic elbow]

They know 1 catch means they win the game

U can use that to your advantage

N im pretty sure arena acc helps against that

[dusk dock]

I hope you know about fighting games

because those terms can apply to Elsword PvP to an extent

[mystic elbow]

Youll kd more often = being able to awk more = more catches

[hollow hound]

Imagine Oz with Phamtom Breeth spam.

Those kind of thing are not toxic for me but a very dirty kind of gameplay.

[clever sigil]

and for @dusk dock I get your mindset in most of those cases. especially when....Arena is in the state it's in right now.
I do disagree a bit with the case of those who are "below". If they're in a spot or bump into the terms of how they "Bore" , sometimes a good push can make them change their skillset, or playstyle.... Which is what I like to see.
I wanna see Folks Adapt, overcome, Perservere, develop. ( the develop part is important) Tho I'm definintely not the greatest gatekeeper.

and to my admission, I've thought about Dark IV on Raven in consideration to aishas, and Renas. I want a method to dealing with some of their MP gain, and some of their styles.

They're just somewhat...... Passive. bit too passive, but they can snowball harder than a Darius going 20-0 in top lane when memorize(aisha) kicks in, and their skills got stun and coverage. ( Lightning shower, lightning ball, Elemental wheel(this skills is pretty fair tbh)

But who am I to Talk? Im a Raven. Who would want to approach a raven? :V

[hollow hound]

I agree, some people (like me) are not the best players but want to improve.

[mystic elbow]

Im ara so i have to approach raven

😒

[dusk dock]

i dont approach Ravens anymore. Bait used to be believable

[clever sigil]

except me <v<

[hollow hound]

I remember an AeS who spammed LS and LB and I could not manabreak, even having a lot of mp gained. That was strange.

💀

I was just too surprised to be mad.

[dusk dock]

it is what it is

I like all Aisha except for 1st path tbh

[buoyant folio]

💀

Just how fast can DA get in PvP lol

[coarse geyser]

It does inflict Stun, which can stop you from Mana Breaking. Bring your Light Resistance!

[warm hornet]

always capped!

[dusk dock]

you already know

[abstract yacht]

Light resistance aint gonna save you from AeS stupidity :lmaocry:

[hollow hound]

500 in all. 💀

[coarse geyser]

Make sure you switch to Match settings

Cause if you have Dungeon Stats active, it will show 500 in all, but Match may be different

[hollow hound]

I will double check.

[dusk dock]

This is what I have:

[mystic elbow]

Negative stats

[dusk dock]

what did he mean by this

;c

[oblique sundial]

500k hp

[dusk dock]

and what of it?

[knotty kraken]

👀

me and my 6.9% mpr

B)

[warm hornet]

\o/

is this one of my people?

[knotty kraken]

no mpr?

[warm hornet]

i have 2.9% mpr

[knotty kraken]

🤝

the 6.9% is
el resonance
elephus 3/4
artifact circlet

0 sockets

cause i dont need crit B]

also my 83.5% socketed red dmg

lol

i should switch some out for add damage

[warm hornet]

yes.

[knotty kraken]

it makes the numbers funnier

thats all ive ever wanted

accidental 100k command >:)

[mystic elbow]

It looks like you’re pve’ing with this gear

[dusk dock]

it's my gimmick

I call it

"CDeez Resets"

where both title and ceru gear

both reset my cooldowns

:U

[knotty kraken]

so um
it turns out that im overcapped on maxi

enough to relpace 2 gear and 1 weapon maxi socket

lmao

add damage gonna be eating good tonight

be a good use for these at least

[mystic elbow]

Its giving ran raider

😭😭😭😭

[dusk dock]

I hate ran

😭

[warm hornet]

i enjoy going into ran raid, but seeing that i may need to grind it, that's another story...

[knotty kraken]

if i get lucky i really could hit someone with a 100k command

speaking of

anyone want to spar

[oblique sundial]

If I get hit by a 100k command I'm alt f4ing

[knotty kraken]

thats the plan :)

[warm hornet]

best i got was 90k on a slap. (double attack and wind proc)

[oblique sundial]

Ig ambush doesn't count for a command but I hit 400k with it once :)

[heavy spear]

this is very rich coming from a centurion

[warm hornet]

@heavy spear ggs

[heavy spear]

oh thats you?

was i lagging?

[warm hornet]

ye.

[heavy spear]

im so sorry

[warm hornet]

nahh, you're fine.

[heavy spear]

i suspected something when i retaliated while you were XXing me as ciel

[warm hornet]

i just wanna see how the buggy combos could work.

XD

[heavy spear]

oh ok

you totally saw those two fail penetrating bullets

first one i wasn't airborne, second was a panic button

[buoyant folio]

delete

Lithia

thanks

[noble pelican]

😔

I pay respects to you, @buoyant folio

[dusk dock]

LOL?

[buoyant folio]

Kill Lithia

destroy her

make her cease alive

Unalive

[willow mural]

[buoyant folio]

Slaughter this woman

[noble pelican]

I don’t fight a lot of them, but the huge coin is challenging

From her 2nd path

Plus, she has a lot of lingering hitboxes…since 2nd path came out, I don’t see her 1st path as much

[buoyant folio]

Yeah I wonder why LMAO

her 1st path was a literal failure

Still broken but a failure

[noble pelican]

Unfortunate 😔

[abstract yacht]

I dont find much broken on GB

most of her tool seemed fine to me
besides that one tenacity homing lasting for like 10s
but thats about it

everything else out of GB was not a big of a deal relatively to everything else in the game

[mystic elbow]

No shes pretty broken

Just no ones good at her

[buoyant folio]

takes 0 effort to make her brokeen ngl n gl!!!!!!!!!

[oblique sundial]

new lithia is aids

giant spinning coin plays neutral for you gg heres a button that covers three platforms with a lingering hitbox for like 20 mp

pretty sure it also has storage

[hollow hound]

BANK SKILLL.

Omggg.

Also, avoid Gin-.

[hollow carbon]

Whats the best PvP force passives im currently using indomitable will

[empty ore]

Illipia

ignite

Grandma

[abstract yacht]

does he know what Grandma stands for

cuz otherwise without context that sounds hilarious

[hollow carbon]

tbh i dont

People say Grandma 😭 like im suppose to know what that is unless you can use actual grandmas as skills im confused

[versed knot]

I get confused when ppl use grandma too

More like a mommy ngl

[hollow carbon]

😭 WHO IS YALL TALKING ABOUT

[pallid parcel]

Granny

[hollow hound]

El's Aspiration.

[warm hornet]

finally got SSS (my second time in forever)

[glass echo]

KoG make a new balanced character challenge: Impossible

[versed knot]

@warm hornet GGs AYS, amma head in

Lmk if you have any of our matches vids

[warm hornet]

ggs, i forget, you were the laby right?

[versed knot]

You're good, yuh I was the laby

Trynna rewatch our matches to improve

[noble pelican]

Congratulations!! Retaliation-stone meta when?

[warm hornet]

no clue.

i feel like my gimmick build works best on CE just because "v" action skill (2% hp heal) and the core guard "queens shield"(75% damage reduction).

[noble pelican]

Would be interesting to see on a BQ

[warm hornet]

i cut the recording too early, but i end up dying to poison.

XD

what if those stun gernades have 0.5 seconds of power stun instead?

[heavy spear]

wait, that MN has einherjar

am i supposed to take that into pvp??

i cant imagine a use for it unless im missing something

[oblique sundial]

hey look its me

[abstract yacht]

to my knowledge Einherjar is an okay button though I personally don't find much an use to it other than confirming from its round area dmg where Pen bullet would not be an option

cuz if otherwise I would see no reason to pull that over Pen Bullet

[celest ore]

funny flying around

mosquito maxxing

[versed knot]

Pls dont be like this person and bring einherjar, crossmore and vanilla photon bomb into 1s matches

[mystic elbow]

I'll do that for u 😄

[versed knot]

Naw knowing you, you'll prolly do fine 👍

[oblique sundial]

Play Minerva by making sure that the other person doesn't play the game

[versed knot]

That sounds like a PO sentence ngl

MN is more like, you cant see me, I cant see you, but my muskets can

[dusk dock]

I am sorry to announce that I am done with PvP until further notice. 😔

[warm hornet]

[hollow hound]

Why.

[cyan quail]

A wise decision

[heavy spear]

he's free

[glass echo]

Nice

[buoyant folio]

Nice

[versed knot]

Nice

[oblique sundial]

Nice

[heavy spear]

Nice

[knotty kraken]

the funny numbers are appearing >:)

[dusk dock]

2s makes my blood boil despite the insane coordination by the team, gear still wins at the end of the day.

Even in 1s, it can be

Tank
KD( Escape if its an int)
Awk (unless you're Add)
Nuke.

I'm tired, boss.

I am currently A rank

Might stay there for the end of this season.

[mystic elbow]

Tbf youre using cerulean

In terms of 2s your gear is just not viable in any sense

[hollow hound]

Ohhh.

[dusk dock]

I was told OM is viable in 2s

I have violet gear

Its just not ready to be used yet

Either way

[fiery lion]

dekomlev has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[dusk dock]

I'm staying in 1s

2s is for sparring fun

[mystic elbow]

He is

But violet isnt viable either unless its like +11 r21

Youre always gonna get one shot btw no matter the gear

But as long as u can also one shot it should be fine

Probably

😄

[dusk dock]

I got dmg

But I aint in the mood to tank to win

I got @warm hornet for that

LOL

[mystic elbow]

Youre not rly supposed to tank to win there …

[warm hornet]

i tank to win with CE because CE's can't snowball or nuke as easily as other character and being glorified gear check.

and i don't like the fights being: win neutral once = very likely to win. (more of it's really hard to pull that off anyways as CE)

meanwhile CE's neutral is sub-par or below compared to the rest of the cast.

3 second Oberon guard can be easily traded from most skills or actives.

[mystic elbow]

Uhhh she snowballs fine but nuke i agree

[warm hornet]

her stats don't tell me she can.

her nuke: heavens fist sweeper
is just a fat number and scales purely on your stats alone and that's it. literally nothing else is amplify it.

[mystic elbow]

Im pretty sure

I agreeed

About the nuke

[warm hornet]

yes, yes. but i'm trying to make a point about the snowball.

[mystic elbow]

Then y exactly r u talking about her nuke

[warm hornet]

i'm getting there

if she can summon, most of the case, the opponent would have their own mana ready to nuke back at her.

[mystic elbow]

Then get to it no detours

[warm hornet]

when she summons, only specific skills get a 10% damage increase.

space wrench, assault spear buster, sonic wave, spitfire.

and for her summons being out, they are just free mana for the opponents as well. (ranged characters abuse this better)

i guess...

[empty ore]

loves your summons

[warm hornet]

that's all i could think about her "potential" snowball.

[mystic elbow]

[warm hornet]

which is very polarizing for pvp in general.

[mystic elbow]

Maybe my def of snowballing is different

What is your definition of snowballing

[warm hornet]

it's ether massive mana gain difference, debuff to buff ratio, general stat gain for just attacking/skills.

and CE in general gives a fair amount of mana tot he opponent, even if she's being hyper optimal on commands.

meanwhile there's Radiant Soul with ZX

^ her mana gain on that attack is insane.

[mystic elbow]

She does, but doesnt she also get a good amount of mp too

When i think of snowballing im thinking of recatch ability and the ability to dominate the match off mp resources

Which I think CE has

[warm hornet]

that's maintaining advantage, not snowballing.

[mystic elbow]

Tbh once CE has mp lead she doesnt even have to interact with u anymore

Ok.

[empty ore]

Catching, getting resources, forcing break, catching again

[mystic elbow]

CE can do all that no?

[warm hornet]

that is, if you manage to mana break every interaction from her, yes.

[mystic elbow]

I mean at some point youre gonna have to

CE with mp lead is dangerous lol

She legit doesnt have to interact with u anymore after having it and can just keep recatching u

Off oberon guard n spitfire