pvp

[heavy spear]

aye

i tried to haunting spirit you but it was on cd which is why you got that last catch on me

[mystic elbow]

one sec babes

[heavy spear]

need to pay better attention to my cds LOL

[clever sigil]

im sorry bro.

[heavy spear]

HAHAHA

dw i totally dropped the ball

[noble pelican]

I wonder if I know that DaB 👀

[clever sigil]

scuse the long wait, still down?

room name: fight room

[mystic elbow]

gimme a bit

[mystic elbow]

i may have to pause sometimes but we can fight

[heavy spear]

what's the thing that makes this purple field that gives mana when u awaken

[mystic elbow]

wat

wander marchen?

[noble pelican]

^ Ice Burner accessory set effect

[heavy spear]

ah

[noble pelican]

I think it’s +4 MP when in the field

[heavy spear]

reawakening seems to really destroy this rose i keep fighting whose build is just. autogun spam

i would assume she's trying a mp burn build but it hasnt been leeching much from me

plus i get all of the awakening, ever.

[oblique sundial]

Reawk is great

Punish a cata for awk on wakeup, she mbs

Switch characters, dead hands, awk, mod dark crescent

Magic

[dull forum]

Add players in shambles

[hollow hound]

?

[dull forum]

everyone can reawk

laby has inner aurora so legit add stocks are down this patch

[kindred frost]

@buoyant folio remember when we were talking about ultra wide screens

[buoyant folio]

yes

[kindred frost]

WITCHES GET STUFF DONE

God I realize

[buoyant folio]

wow congrats

[kindred frost]

My monitor is like 6+ years old

Thanks king

[buoyant folio]

that thing gives such a huge advantage over normal monitors fr

the only drawback being that not all games are compatible with ultrawide

[kindred frost]

I got lucky without mecari with a 30 dollar credit deal cause I sold something on there. That and Zipp pulled through so I can pay it in installments

Is 165hz a lot?

[kindred frost]

Awe darn...

[buoyant folio]

I'm pretty sure all modern games are fine though, if you don't care about older ones

usually those require mods, and if it doesn't exist then you just need to play it at a weird resolution

[kindred frost]

Ah okay great

[knotty kraken]

you can prob find mods for games that allow for custom resolution

[kindred frost]

Are you that one MP?

[knotty kraken]

no

[kindred frost]

Oh okay

I was gonna say "ggs" if so

[knotty kraken]

yea not me

add is gross

sorry lerne

[kindred frost]

Add goes into two directions

The sweet men aka Lerne and Twinky

Then the toxic drama starters aka Jacob

[buoyant folio]

ooh can you see into my eyes, like opened doors 😔

[kindred frost]

^

[knotty kraken]

evansence

nice

[buoyant folio]

165hz is good

but you won't be benefitting on elsword bc of it

[kindred frost]

Awe

I thought it would help me like

[buoyant folio]

At least you're going over 80hz though cuz elsword maxes out at that frame

[kindred frost]

Go faster

[buoyant folio]

but refresh rates are

pretty good for fps games

and I won't lie

[kindred frost]

Hmm I'll have to see what my screen specs are

[buoyant folio]

Once you go that high you cannot go back LOL

60hz feels like hell to my eyes 😭

I use 144hz

[kindred frost]

Sometimes I feel like when I'm open about my lack of knowledge in technology + my personality + my pfp I give off ditzy "fake gamer girl" vibes

I don't mean to I'm just old and I grew up poor I was rocking a dell desktop when I was 19 😔

[mystic elbow]

i am about to do NO DMG

y does devi have so many good pvp skills

[buoyant folio]

bc it's Ara

[mystic elbow]

if only that were the case

the other aras dont have as many good pvp skills

[buoyant folio]

tbf Ara has pretty good neutral

and her skills are really high in dmg iirc 🤔

[mystic elbow]

thats only Shakti n Devi

Apsara has 1 high dmg skill n crap neutral

Surya has crap neutral and uses a base skill for "dmg"

[buoyant folio]

🤔 idk about Surya but if the other three are good I think that's enough rightttt

[mystic elbow]

i dont think u get what im saying...

im not complaining about the other aras im saying devi has so many good skills

that its hard to choose what to take

[buoyant folio]

I get what you're saying though

[mystic elbow]

because there's certain skills that are rly good for certain situations

[buoyant folio]

Devi has good skills ba dum

😭 not that hard to get LMAO

I was just mentioning that other Aras are good

[mystic elbow]

i didnt say they're not good 😭

all i said was

[buoyant folio]

Im about to square up w you buddy 😌

[mystic elbow]

devi has a lot of good skills

hf w/ that 💀

all im saying is its hard to choose what to take

while on other aras its not a hard choice at all

[buoyant folio]

I will 💀

[empty ore]

Honest question

Does anyone here actually know how to fight vs Aisha

Or do you just hope they're so bad so its easier

[hollow hound]

Wait, aren't you an Aisha?

[empty ore]

Yes

And as one I can gladly admit we are just annoying to fight

[buoyant folio]

genuinely

You just have to hope they're bad

or completely out-skill them LOL

Aisha has some very dumb maneuvers that let her catch you immediately after dropping

it's low risk yet high reward

[mystic elbow]

pray they're bad

[heavy spear]

takes another look at rose subclass icons and artwork

oh wait the rose i beat yesterday with reawk was a minerva

is mp burn build a thing for her??? i thought PO would be better for that

tbh i know very little of what minerva is even supposed to do in 1v1

[abstract yacht]

what she's supposed to do is be like a mosquito

aka fly everywhere and be a complete annoyance to everyone.

[lilac merlin]

I just give up

[abstract yacht]

no.

with all the stupidity she has to gatekeep you from reaching her I absolutely do not know how to deal with them

I just spray (bullets) and pray.

[noble pelican]

As a MtM against other Aisha’s, I tend to be aggressive w/ a >>ZX catch at the very start. If they teleport away, I use a haunting or >>^X

SA cmds, long range (Rena’s arrows, FP’s + rose’s bullets), and plain luck make things easier

For other classes, I can only imagine they’d catch an Aisha once the Aisha whifs

[noble pelican]

I felt that 😭

I’m all for giving your best in arena, but when certain classes can slip away…it’s hard to be motivated sometimes

[heavy spear]

most of the wins that i've been able to get against aishas have been comparatively harder-fought than wins against other characters

i mean it may be a skill issue for me but she's forced me to really alter the way i approach most situations and this causes me to use more mental energy, i feel more drained after each match against an aisha

her gameplan is so different, she demands different things from whoever's piloting her, and she demands different things from whoever is fighting her as well

[lilac merlin]

That’s how I feel as AN 😭 I love that class to death, but PVP wise she is so easy to slip up on, especially when there’s the slightest amount of lag. It’s also difficult catching on her too since all of hers require you be ultra close to people.

Aisha’s are the worst besides like MTM when I’m on AN

[kindred frost]

@buoyant folio

It's time to duel.

[buoyant folio]

gl frfrfrffrfrfrffrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrffrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfrfr

[kindred frost]

I checked my old monitor

It was 60hz so this is an improvement

Tysmmm

[clever sigil]

I wanna see those solicited PC build pics

[versed knot]

Lol MN player here, I just press ZZZX till opponent drops ded

Oh and pen bullet for 70% I guess

[oblique sundial]

Non MN player here, I just lose when I have to fight her

[versed knot]

Man where are you seeing all of these MNs

Lol looking at the rose rankings, I'm the only MN from SS upward

[oblique sundial]

I've only seen like three total to be fair

[heavy spear]

yknow, now that reawk is a thing

how's PO in 1v1 now? i'd imagine reawk destroys her too

[oblique sundial]

I mean if she's running an mp burn build it's not like you're gonna get to use your awk

You're still gonna sit there and watch a three minute unskippable cutscene

[noble pelican]

I need some thoughts on building max awk charge. I think I’m at 40%

Is it worth it ‘cause of the reawakening changes?

[oblique sundial]

I mean 40% is already quite a bit

[heavy spear]

i was about to ask if PO without mp burn build was a thing

[mystic elbow]

PO w/o mp burn summons robot

n thats it

[heavy spear]

so uh. i dont fight TWs often but the one i beat earlier just seemed to do way too much KD for how much damage she was doing

[abstract yacht]

welcome to TW

yeah she doesn't really have that much tools to reduce KD.

[heavy spear]

so now im questioning how good of a character she actually is

i was surprised at how... average length her combos were before i got KD

[abstract yacht]

she's mid, just like any other character she's got a nuke button too but beyond that she's very mid

[heavy spear]

her neutral doesnt seem particularly good either

she has projectiles and traps and she can control space to some extent but what does it matter against characters with SA

[mystic elbow]

a good TW will have u realizing

that she's busted

[heavy spear]

maybe the one i was fighting was just being too aggressive

[mystic elbow]

i dont think TW gets much out of being aggressive

no rena rly does

[abstract yacht]

major forte TW from my experience is like, she can be good at zoning you

but considering the amount of characters nowadays with insane mobility that also possess SA... it's also kinda meh overall

[hollow hound]

KE.

KE vs CE.

xd

[warm hornet]

not me

[warm hornet]

i'd run it down even when my resources are exausted

[clever sigil]

Because you're KE.

Same reason why people would avoid ravens head-on (unless you got black airforces on

[mystic elbow]

no theyre CE

[hollow hound]

I am the CE.

XD

[clever sigil]

that "you're" was for the KE pming you

[hollow hound]

A.

[mystic elbow]

ohh

[clever sigil]

rip my grammar.

[mystic elbow]

imagine anyone tryna trade w/ KE 💀

[hollow hound]

💀 👍 Ok gg, I will run into you next time mah.

[heavy spear]

aes just feels like a cheese character

[lilac merlin]

She is

[heavy spear]

especially with that new lightning bolt

[celest ore]

whos this rh hitting 950k

☠️

i didnt even know that was like

possible

[dusk dock]

😭

It's insane how strong that move is

[celest ore]

im pretty sure pen is stronger but mine sure isn't

bro must have that +12 soa or somethin

[oblique sundial]

Did his name start with a c and end with a c

[celest ore]

LMAO

i see you've been getting hit too 😭

[oblique sundial]

I know of this person

Good thing you can't tank dia/cata

[celest ore]

yeah i've been playing my meme mn which basically entails uh

me and my opponent both getting ridiculous amounts of mp and me hoping i can meme it before they can

not a good build to go against rh with

[oblique sundial]

there are only 3 luciels on board rn

its over boys

[heavy spear]

yall really arent joking when you say steel body doesn't work

sometimes it doesn't connect

sometimes it connects and they're stunned for the tiniest fraction of a second and are able to retaliate mid-combo

i have lost multiple matches at this point because of it

[mystic elbow]

Its a stun so u have to use shadows descent for it to rly stun

[abstract yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082805921438244995/1181411633201950720/bandicam_2023-12-04_20-43-14-479_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65caca52&is=65b85552&hm=33e7bbfe56ff86333ea3ccfca6c3aee26d8f371f731edf42f07873abaf5c35a8&

[heavy spear]

what a janky character

even her >>^ZXX and >>^XZ stuff don't work if you're too high above the ground

[mystic elbow]

As long as u can clip them with those commands u can get a catch out of it

[dusk dock]

😭

extremely lucky

[abstract yacht]

because those teleport a fixed amount of distance

[abstract yacht]

^XX however, for being of a much later era, having KoG with at least a slight more coding knowledge; was coded to teleport but not execute the command fully until touching ground

but also because of it, it has a very awkward pause.

[dire granite]

I actually discussed this with someone but I'll ask you guys this: "Does Tenacity make or break a character in pvp, or is it their strongest skill that one shot?"

[oblique sundial]

if were being realistic in 1s, the only thing that matters is neutral and whether or not you can force someone to mana break before they get their oneshot

[versed knot]

Tenacities are pretty important for the ones that are booms

[oblique sundial]

cata running around with five booms is something else

[versed knot]

Unless your tena does 300k like SH

[oblique sundial]

yeh though like if you can use a tenacity to get a catch

tenacity >

if you have your nuke on first catch, nuke >

if youre cata you get both at the same time :D

[empty ore]

A top tier character needs a tenacity that can enable them to catch or act as a boom. A burst isnt always needed but is welcome.

Like EtW for example. She can play around with bursting skills.

Or she can use her superior mobility and multiple tenacities to catch you over and over until you are 0mp and dead.

RH is another good example, multiple tenacities but no booms. and (as of this current patch) like 3 different skills to burst you with.

[glass echo]

Idk why you keep posting this whenever someone says steel body is bad

You were in SA during Shadow Press which has a very short time freeze, so you got out before steel body could connect

That's literally it

I'm sure it hit on their screen since they barely moved after using it, but due to the natural lag/delay of NA server you didn't get it by it

Either way it was just a whiff on their end realistically

[hollow hound]

Is Add. Dmg worth for pvp?

[mystic elbow]

no

[hollow hound]

Ok.

Btw, there is a certain Eve.

A CE who recently jc to CA.

Very toxic.

Careful with that player.

Start with letter "S".

[mystic elbow]

Sap-

[hollow hound]

Yep.

I suppose you know them.

[mystic elbow]

yea theyre pretty toxic

[clever sigil]

...I thought they were cool beans....the frick happened?

[hollow hound]

Flagger and bad loser.

[empty ore]

Theres the classic saying. Dont feed the trolls. And it will always remain true.

On an unrelated note

Enhanced Lightning Bolt man

Just an unnescable ball of destruction and stuns

I just throw it out and watch people scramble in 2s.

Or just accept their fate

[celest ore]

honestly surprised this stat is even still in the game

[buoyant folio]

Add. dmg still has a use in PvP iirc but it's not as good as it used to be

If you really want to test it out, just use training dummies w pvp stats on an alt; costume set

there might be little to no differences though lol

[lethal echo]

I heard korean players stack add dmg though. They said 5% add dmg = 1% phy/mag dmg in pvp. Said good to stack for classes like KE after having 100% cri/maxi + around 30% mpr.

I saw korean MPx stacks it instead of full mpr build, since they usually use their mana to manabreak in 2s

And for steel body, you just don't use it in mid combo unless you really have to do. You are not dumb not to use iframe/secial actives right after it hits if you have mana. It is good to have for shakti too, since her super armor actives suck. Hers often get canceled (same for apsara's fall).

[marsh plume]

Add dmg is cool

[abstract yacht]

by the sheer fact that it missed at point blank.

even if I could move earlier due to super armor and delay wearing off, it baffles me that the hitbox is so bad that this didn't connect

cuz the tackle's hitbox is already applying here, and I'm not even that far away from her even if latency was doing a work here

I get that on her screen she prob hit me and yeah fair bad things like this tend to happen, but even on my screen this should've hit me
but apparently it didn't.

in fact there was a time and I'm sad I was not recording at that time

where I was steel bodied while I was holding rapid cannon on FP and even when you drop rapid cannon you cannot instantly move away since it has a recoil animation, so he had all the time to land that steel body
and surprise, it somehow also missed.

its like missing an attack in pokemon...
against a sleeping opponent

[empty ore]

I have gone to the LA life again

I dont hate it this much this time

[glass echo]

Honestly I disagree

Imo you look like you're far enough away that you shouldn't have been hit at all on your end

[empty ore]

Trying to get through all this SA is tragic 😭

[oblique sundial]

i mean thats what you get for playing LA

[empty ore]

What did I do to deserve this 😭

[oblique sundial]

jced to la?

[heavy spear]

lithia's ^z animation looks so... weird to me

[empty ore]

https://clips.twitch.tv/PolishedCuteSashimiPraiseIt-NYeob74FX7LeFbE5

[oblique sundial]

giga prominence is insane

[heavy spear]

hit ss on my cata again

alright peace out yall, no way i'll ever hit sss, see ya late next season

[oblique sundial]

nah you can hit sss

just abuse dead hands delay and ambush

[lethal echo]

dont go above tbh. ppl gonna judge you. typical pvp players. toxic and cringe. you gonna be the same.

[willow mural]

I disagree with that

You can be sss and not be a toxic clown in whispers

[lethal echo]

sure, y not? instead, you can also be a clown in some community.

its a nature thing

[willow mural]

Some ppl are just immature

[lethal echo]

so?

some ppl arent

[willow mural]

So that means that just because you get sss doesn't mean you turn into a completely different person

Ik I don't go around being a jerk to ppl when I reach sss
I just mald to myself lmao

[lethal echo]

thats u and

u are 100% sure that

noone judged u

[willow mural]

I'm sure they have

I've gotten my share of salt

I just don't care

[versed knot]

Just do your own thing and dont think about what others think of you * ^*b

Getting sss is like my own personal goal

[willow mural]

Cuz ik in the end it's just a game

[pallid parcel]

and theres them judging you have SoA max gear but only in A rank

[willow mural]

Most of the time it's not even worth opening whispers

Because if it is some guy salting you they tend to go on and on and on

Regardless if they win or not

[buoyant folio]

The reality is

[glass echo]

Tell them to kill themselves

[buoyant folio]

Rank doesn't matter because you'll always get someone immature in your whispers lol

[willow mural]

LOL

Bro pulled no punches

[buoyant folio]

Ben you should fund me :)

[willow mural]

Lowtiergod codes

Coded

No I need fashion

[glass echo]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-gif-24721812

[buoyant folio]

I also need fashion

😔

[willow mural]

I may have found someone who has a really old set I'm looking for

I'm offering 3b 😭

Might go even higher cuz of how old it is

[lethal echo]

my advice was just simply that pvp makes ppl different if they go deep

simple as f

[glass echo]

Yeah they start pressing F1

[lethal echo]

there should be nothing against my word

like as if you hate me

[willow mural]

Not at all

[buoyant folio]

There's nothing against your word, just that you should just let people get the rank they want if they want to get it

lmao

[willow mural]

I barely know u 😭

[buoyant folio]

fr

[lethal echo]

i think

[willow mural]

We can disagree without there being any hate or dislike

[glass echo]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[lethal echo]

u took my word seriously

it was just like a simple joke

its like just dont get hit and win

[buoyant folio]

We're not taking it that seriously 😭

[willow mural]

Ye

Also it's really hard to tell what's a joke in text

[buoyant folio]

Why is there no version of this new costume suit without the hat

kog trolling 😔

[willow mural]

I woke up an hour ago but I can't sleep

I think the hat is cute don't be a hater

[glass echo]

KoG has been trolling for years

[willow mural]

Idk if I should give it to elesis or luciel

Cuz if I give it to Ciel I'm obligated to buy it for lu

They must ALWAYS match

[buoyant folio]

I'll show you hater ☺️

Silliest looking hat tho

[willow mural]

i think its a korean thing

[buoyant folio]

Is it

[willow mural]

damn your adds expression

💀

looks like his mom forced him to wear it

[buoyant folio]

He is quite literally just like me frfr

[willow mural]

ok its going to luciel

[hollow hound]

His face. 😂

[mystic elbow]

Finally a disagreement i wasnt part of

[hollow hound]

Fighting LA is...

A torture.

Well, fighting every Aisha is.

[celest ore]

i LOVE salty whispers they're so good

its funny cause i ignore them and they double down and send a wall of text and i just never respond

https://tenor.com/view/esqueleto-gif-24452082

it’s scientifically proven to be impossible to salt in someone’s elsword whispers without looking like 🤡 so why even bother

[abstract yacht]

guy comes in

sees ppl aren't agreeing with him
proceeds to say it's a joke
after 20 minutes of arguing

alr

[dire granite]

RH and RV have some really good tenacity, more so on RH, been trying to study the booms RV's tenacity provides. Very oppressive class at times. As an FB main I'm kind of jealous of both his and RH's tenacity kit.

[dire granite]

I was told as long as I have a one-shot. then it doesn't matter, which I personally disagree with. If your opponent is kicking your butt and forcing you to MB because they have better kit, you won't be able to one shot them in the first place. Plus there's 2 counter measures against that "wakeup > Awk >one shot." strategy. I never treat my opponents like idiots.

[oblique sundial]

"At times" man you can use your fingers to count how many characters have more cheese than rv

[onyx epoch]

Fb has it better cuz he can usually half hp u and give no mana with just z attacks alone

[versed knot]

That's an avg Sage's match experience

[empty ore]

Man these double attacks and actives are doing a lot of damage...

Well i broke but im half dead

[dire granite]

nah too much work, sonic slash spam all day

[rich quail]

oh hey a free stoic punish

[onyx epoch]

U can do that too

[onyx epoch]

But then you'll get this by shakti players

They love super armor punishing

[dire granite]

it has to be a shakti to ruin the fun

I've remember someone using fire+dark sonic slash maximum canon mana burn to torture people. those were the times at spar matches

had me cackling for a long while

[onyx epoch]

I tried to use dark 4 in a tourny

into

[kindred frost]

darn I just saw this

[clever sigil]

never too late

[willow mural]

almost got an sss

[kindred frost]

remind me when i get home fri

[dusk dock]

Let's goooooo

[willow mural]

flame orb is gonna

tick people off

hit stun heaven

[buoyant folio]

You're a flame orb

[dire granite]

After binging through pvp live streams, I've noticed I been winning more than I did before.

Just when I felt useless in 2:2, sit back and let your partner do all the work while you play the runner role

[mystic elbow]

runner role is more important than u think

if you're last and u can play a proper last without your partner having to constantly save or protect u

it helps the match

[dire granite]

Who'd knew a KE can 2v1 a Cele and a Anti

[buoyant folio]

KE got that juicy SA spam

and good field control

[dire granite]

😂

[buoyant folio]

He can do a lot, it's not that surprising

Generally anyone with a ton of SA have a lot of options

[dire granite]

I fear him for a reason, but I don't have any SA punish tool so I guess that's the problem.

good boom too

[buoyant folio]

Honestly it can be easy to counter it, but also extremely difficult at the same time

As it doesn't require a professional to utilize SA in the most broken possible way with KE lmao

all they gotta do is spam it to win 😭

[dire granite]

I'm all for it, it's his game.

when it does pay off it an easy win, but when it's not, the pressure can be a real struggle sometimes 😔

unlike GN where if I get caught at the start of the match, it ends 6 seconds later

😭

[buoyant folio]

honestly

KE has been feeling like such a cheap class to use to win lol

[dire granite]

though my GN problem hasn't been too bad as of recently so im gonna be fair

[buoyant folio]

Like I said before it can be easy but also extremely difficult

bc th eonly time a KE utilizes SA horribly is when it's someone who plays them as an ALT lol

[dire granite]

LOL fr

sigh I missed the fighting Code: Sariel.

[hollow carbon]

Hello

Can someone invite me to the NA PvP server

[buoyant folio]

I'm

ngl

I don't think you want to be in there 😭

[mystic elbow]

nah they gotta learn things the hard way it seems

[buoyant folio]

they quite literally

talk in their own language

it doesn't feel real

[dull forum]

@hollow carbon

or

[hollow carbon]

Mtm

Sadly

Should I switch to AES

Even tho I love mtm playstyle

[dull forum]

Aes is more broken

👍

[hollow carbon]

Then Oz and mtm?

[dull forum]

oz/aes r bout the same 👍

oz just takes ur life with ruin

👍

[hollow carbon]

😯

So would aes be a little more faster then oz

[dull forum]

🤞 🫸🔴🔵🫷🤌🫴🟣

[hollow carbon]

😂 I find it crazy I understand this

😭

[dull forum]

oz and aes have hollow purple

one of them stuns the other one just does 150~200k splashing ticks

[hollow carbon]

Ohhhh

Do you have any advice on how to learn your opponent character

I understand they say do collections but that’s not going to prepare me especially if I find there character boring

[dull forum]

watch videos of what they play

or go hit the wiki

the easier way is watching videos or

have a pilot of their class show u what the character does

[hollow carbon]

How long ago would you say is to old

I feel like I seen you in spar

Was you doing a genshin nezulocke?

But thank you for the advice🙏

[abstract yacht]

is this some sort of non-family friendly joke

[celest ore]

elsword hieroglyphs 😭

[dull forum]

its a jjk ref

☠️

[celest ore]

oh, haven't gotten to that one yet

[mystic elbow]

oh it all makes sense now 😭

[noble pelican]

I don’t get it-

[noble pelican]

A fellow MtM enjoyer

[mystic elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/my-hero-gif-25183527

[noble pelican]

I haven’t seen that yet

[mystic elbow]

[buoyant folio]

Metucky Tried Mhicken is what MTM stands for right ☺️

[oblique sundial]

Whatever the hell you just said is a foreign concept that is alien and unnatural to me

[buoyant folio]

V̶̊̂i̸͑̐ǵ̸́ĩ̶̉l̵̾͌ã̶͝t̵͠e vestri t̶̏͘e̴͒̈́r̵̓gum

[oblique sundial]

Optime sed cave est melius in contextu

[hollow carbon]

Yup my fav in the entire game

[empty ore]

Whats your reason for changing?

Aes is in a really good spo right now. With insane map control and stuns up the wazoo.

Oz got a nice buff to Ruin, making it a viable skill without the previous directional launch shenanigans

[hollow carbon]

It’s more so I don’t won’t to but no one really plays my class so I feel like I’m under pressure of having to switch to a meta class

[empty ore]

There are still plenty of Mtms out there.

The ones who dont play your class are the ones who mainly do 2v2.

[hollow carbon]

I only came across one good mtm so far

[versed knot]

YouTube is honestly the best bet seeing how to play

Other than that I can give you feedback after seeing how you play

[hollow carbon]

I’ll be in spar today

[versed knot]

Haha I wont be... got chars to level

[hollow carbon]

😭

[versed knot]

Oh crap it's rank reset so I gotta climb back up too

[hollow carbon]

Lmao

I’m hitting ss this season

[versed knot]

But for self study, everytime you get caught, mental note what you could have done better

Like, Should I have press energy ring a bit later

Or where I could mash my skills

Etc etc

[hollow carbon]

Yeah Ate played the same as me but better

I don’t think you was there when I fought ate

[versed knot]

I was there in the room...

But was watching uoutube

....

[hollow carbon]

😭

Come onnn

I’m going to try Bm

[versed knot]

What you wanna do rn is just keep playing on the same char

Learning neutral with it, get basics

[empty ore]

What would you describe your playstyle as rn

[hollow carbon]

What’s a neutral

[hollow carbon]

Passive aggressive

[empty ore]

Good good you got the Mtm spirit

[hollow carbon]

Yea my fav Aisha

[versed knot]

Neytral is a state where both players arent doing anything and try to catch the other person

[hollow carbon]

I’m oooh

Isn’t that just catching

[versed knot]

More than that aisha can try not to lcatch ppl and can play passive instead to gain mp

[empty ore]

The other Aishas are a lot more passive than Mtm. And although thats just how the character is played. Its not up to ppls forte.

[hollow carbon]

That’s why I don’t like them there to passive for me

[empty ore]

Like I did enjoy oz for a while at least. But I got really tired of her damage output and basically being a pb bot

[hollow carbon]

Mtm is the perfect balance between wanting to play passive and allowing you to be aggressive when you want to

https://youtu.be/aFhnp0yP2k8?si=nDl7EYtU_r4w7vW-

Can I watch this

[versed knot]

Why not

[hollow carbon]

4 years

But it still seems relevant

I need to get my mtm in a good guild

[versed knot]

Its fine, I got MN to sss with void and elri b4

Just your basics matter

[hollow carbon]

Yea

This guide is helpful

[hollow carbon]

https://youtu.be/JEt05yq6mgs?si=iTk24Vy8DwTK0MVm

This is one insane player

[mystic elbow]

prob not relevant enough anymore

2020 pvp was pretty diff from even 2022

[hollow carbon]

anyone want to 1v1

[clever sigil]

this guy chaining awakeings together in his combos like they're overdrives from Blazblue Calamity Trigger

[oblique sundial]

blazblue was elsword before elsword

[clever sigil]

good times.

[oblique sundial]

arthritis simulator

[oblique sundial]

well time ot learn how to nw

or ig tw because its 2024 and nw is soooooo last decade

[empty ore]

We need more Rena's

Since the nerf. I they're in decline because 75mp on awk was just too good and enabled nonsense

[rich quail]

It looks like they actually spiked last season in anticipation of the nerf (31 SSS+ Renas) and then fell back to low end of normal numbers (24 this season) post-nerf.

[mystic elbow]

Good

[abstract yacht]

in short, the renas that dropped the character are just bad players who don't know how to deal without the free mp button

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/667418004551893009.gif?size=44

[knotty kraken]

90% of DaBs

[oblique sundial]

Still more than luciels tbh

[rich quail]

Yep. Lu’s SSS+ attendance this season fell to 9 players.

First time I’ve seen her in single digits since I started recording.

[oblique sundial]

I haven't even tried to pvp this season, hanging out in S rank collecting my weeklies like it's nothing

I should make it 10

[celest ore]

do you have like a spreadsheet or smth

[rich quail]

Yes.

[celest ore]

public?

[rich quail]

Not usually.

[celest ore]

ah, no worries then

[rich quail]

Mostly it’s just for keeping track of trends and character popularity, recorded at the end of each season.

[versed knot]

How many MNs did you recorded last season 👀

[rich quail]

There were six roses total. I know you were one of them. I don’t think I remember seeing other Minervas.

[buoyant folio]

Rose population is extinct

[versed knot]

Dang it's just gone gone huh

Tyty xiva

[rich quail]

Rose and Ain have both never been in double digits in the year I’ve been tracking this.

[buoyant folio]

Ain't got time for Ain

😌

[versed knot]

I'm guessing that's order based on popularity top most to least

Are you using the full 2000?

[hollow carbon]

How is BM in pvp

[rich quail]

Yep. Though in the case of ties, it’s done by character release order. For example, Elsword and Raven tied for first this season.

[rich quail]

We haven’t had a season with over 400 SSS+ players in a year so I just pruned every row past 100.

[versed knot]

That makes more sense, so that just represents the top 100 by popularity

[rich quail]

Sorta. I have up to 100 rows for each character. So it could theoretically have room for the top 1500 if we ever got that many.

[versed knot]

Oh it's not upto rank 100, sorry

A way larger sample size then

So technically it's not just higher tier pvp but also S rank somewhat included

[rich quail]

I excluded SS ranks and below from the data because it feels like you can get there just from pot farming. That seems like statistical noise to me.

[versed knot]

S rank I somewhat understand but I think at least in SS ppl are more doing more than pot farm

[rich quail]

You are certainly welcome to make your own spreadsheet with a data set that large.

[versed knot]

Haha ya got me there, that's alotta work

[hollow hound]

Bruh, I had to d/c. XD

I can't with these DaBs, lol.

Running around, gaining mana like crazy, nah.

[lilac merlin]

Bruh

[buoyant folio]

😤 let's jump them

[lilac merlin]

People be getting mad in pvp when you don’t just run into every attack 😭

[buoyant folio]

real

I had this chung flag me because I was "running away" when he was spamming attacks that would home into me if I just ran into their range

💀

crazy buddy

[lilac merlin]

Probably the same one that flagged me

[buoyant folio]

Lmao maybe

Chungs be wilding though 😭

the character plays itself and they rlly think they got the right to complain

[hollow hound]

Nah bruh, bro even won and still whisper.

[mystic elbow]

huh

they didnt win

[hollow hound]

Ah.

[lilac merlin]

No I won, he got mad probs cuz I beat him twice 😭

[willow mural]

did his name start with an h

[hollow hound]

Oh, sorry. I didn't see properly. My bad.

[buoyant folio]

I don't remember

It happened awhile ago

like a month or so

[willow mural]

i feel like its a certain

[lilac merlin]

mine was a certain chung who's name starts with h

[willow mural]

hateful person who likes whispering everyone

[mystic elbow]

dude rly logs in to lose

[hollow hound]

Hy.

[lilac merlin]

This is a first though, cause when I was PR he wouldn't whisper me 💀

[buoyant folio]

Oh

OOH

it was that guy

[hollow hound]

CC?

[willow mural]

LOL

[hollow hound]

Sadly, most of the time I get ignored.

[willow mural]

not the pdf file 😭

[empty ore]

If you mean Black Masssacre.
Solid A tier, strong commands, Multiheadshot for bursts, strong neutral with >>^XXZ.

[hollow carbon]

Yea I’m currently doing her 3rd job

[empty ore]

No booms tho

[hollow carbon]

Who’s above a tier

[empty ore]

So after a point you're working for those catches.

Uhh

Classes like GN, TP, EW,

[mystic elbow]

PR

[hollow carbon]

What makes Genesis S tier

[empty ore]

SUPER ARMOR UP THE WAZOO

[mystic elbow]

that n his neutral is pretty crazy too

[empty ore]

Sword procs on command that do like 600% and stalls your mb bar.

Super armor on awakening

[mystic elbow]

oh yea

[hollow carbon]

That’s crazy

[mystic elbow]

most characters when they awk u can punish it either by clashing

or simply actives

genesis no

cuz he gets 1 sec of super armor

when he awks

[hollow carbon]

What makes PR broken

[mystic elbow]

idk if thats has a cooldown or anythign now that reawk his here

crazy neutral, chatter as a button

and her infinite

[empty ore]

Infinite stalling

[hollow carbon]

I don’t see it even tho her kit focused on range more then DYBs do

[mystic elbow]

she stalls pretty easily

she also ledge traps

easy as hell

[hollow carbon]

Interesting 😯

[mystic elbow]

if she gets u when you're near a ledge u might as well alt f4 cuz u lost the match

[hollow carbon]

Lmaoooo

Where would dyb be ranked

[mystic elbow]

same tier rly

[empty ore]

Yeah Dab aint far behind.

[mystic elbow]

they're not as bad now because they aren't awking for a nuke anymore

[empty ore]

Gets mad mp but she had no infinite.

But if she gets her mp

you're getting wind blasted to death

[mystic elbow]

or frozen and aero strafe

[hollow carbon]

I realized dyb can’t nuke anymore

[mystic elbow]

she nukes fine

she has like a 120 mp nuke

with homing on it

[empty ore]

Not awaken nuke sure, but she will still shred you.

[hollow carbon]

The one where she awakens an do the the little skill that use to nuke it don’t seem to nuke anymore

[empty ore]

It depends on rng

Cause she has a passive that makes her arrows ignore def

[hollow carbon]

Oh wow

I need a another character to learn for PvP

[empty ore]

Sounds like you prefer the girl characters

[hollow carbon]

Yup 😂

[empty ore]

Also real talk you can never go wrong with dab. Shes like the easiest char in the game.

[mystic elbow]

she's just boring

[hollow carbon]

Who’s the hardest girl character to learn

[hollow carbon]

She’s generic 😭

It’s copy paste in every mmorpg when it comes to a ranger class

[empty ore]

No character is really hard. Just skill cieling.

[mystic elbow]

ara unironically..

[empty ore]

I think Oz fits that bill

[hollow carbon]

Oz is a patient fighter

[mystic elbow]

if you're looking for fancy in terms of rena u can probably get it most from

AN

even tho AN is like a KR only char imo 💀

[hollow carbon]

Yea I was turned off from BM when I found she has no flashy combos

[empty ore]

Not just that tho. Learning at a high level hits diff

[hollow carbon]

She just basic gameplay

[empty ore]

AN sounds fun for you.

Since you already like MTM

[hollow carbon]

I have an she my trosh slave

[mystic elbow]

all the roses r kinda not fancy at all

[hollow carbon]

Rose is straightforward

[mystic elbow]

funny enough right

Eve is pretty dang fancy

even CA has a lot of cool combo potential

[hollow carbon]

Eve has a high skill gap

[empty ore]

She does

[hollow carbon]

I must admit

[empty ore]

If you dont wanna learn stepping go CA

[hollow carbon]

Lmaooo

[mystic elbow]

CA just steps like a normal char

[hollow carbon]

I never see a stepping ca

[mystic elbow]

not required n kinda useless

😭

[empty ore]

^X is all you need thats why

[hollow carbon]

Stepping is fun

Any movement makes elsword a lot more fun

[mystic elbow]

at least for the elbows, ravens and elesis it helps w/ momentum to step

CA just

doesn't need it

she can >>ZZX

[hollow carbon]

Ima try to finish my collections this weekend

[hollow carbon]

Isn’t that her dash

[mystic elbow]

yea

[empty ore]

You could also play ES

[mystic elbow]

her dash has pretty good momentum

especially w/

mod slap

cuz she can slide

[hollow carbon]

😭

[empty ore]

Very flashy, good movement

[hollow carbon]

😭 Cass always recommend me ES

[mystic elbow]

i recommend everyone ES

atp

every new person GO PLAY ES

[hollow carbon]

But Es just seem basic to me

[gilded slate]

Could try AD, if you dont like ES but not sure where AD stands rn.

[mystic elbow]

u just haven't seen a cool ES thats y

[hollow carbon]

I have ad but dropped her due to pve reasons

[hollow carbon]

Yk saber?

[gilded slate]

Fair enough.

[hollow carbon]

Tyrantqueens ?

😭 sunlit

[mystic elbow]

tyrantqueens needs to be locked up

and i dont think any of them r cooler than the ES im thinking of

but he can't even play rn

[hollow carbon]

😭 I fought tyrant yesterday

Who you thinking of

[mystic elbow]

yea he needs to be locked up for life

[hollow carbon]

I even was told to watch sinhe park

[mystic elbow]

he has a laby named rule34Laby

[hollow carbon]

What they do 😭

[hollow carbon]

💀

[empty ore]

oh no...

[mystic elbow]

im thinking of innervisions

but his computer is broken

cant play

[hollow carbon]

He gonna be rusty when he comeback

[mystic elbow]

he'll be aight

he plays fancy on add, elesis, raven and TW

[hollow carbon]

😭 well you should meet saber

[mystic elbow]

i already know who that is

[hollow carbon]

Sounds like cashu

[mystic elbow]

that is cashu

[hollow carbon]

How he break his computer 😭

[mystic elbow]

the keyboard is messed up

[hollow carbon]

Oh

[mystic elbow]

even if he uses an external keyboard it doesn't work

[hollow carbon]

Tell him get a temu keyboard

Dang

[mystic elbow]

TEMU

[hollow carbon]

It’s his computer usb port

😭

I thought he was broke or something

[mystic elbow]

it'll work for 1 day then steal all his info and stop working

😔

[hollow carbon]

😭

[mystic elbow]

he's working on getting a pc

windows laptops are just not worth it

[hollow carbon]

Me when I was tryna figure out why I couldn’t step so I thought my kb was the issue

[hollow carbon]

You can’t play elsword on a Mac 😭

So he stuck with windows

[mystic elbow]

yea but when u build a pc

u can just replace parts

as needed

compared to a laptop where if smth important is broken

its wraps

💀

[hollow carbon]

How much is he spending

On this pc

[mystic elbow]

dunno

[hollow carbon]

If he mainly elsword 💀 he could get a pc for 400$

[mystic elbow]

hopefully not that much cuz PCs rly dont need a lot

to be effective

for any game

spending 4000 on a pc just means u wanna flex 😭

[hollow carbon]

How much you pay for yours

[mystic elbow]

I paid 1,300

[hollow carbon]

😭 ngl i would for a 4090 I could use the extra vram

[hollow carbon]

Oh we paid somewhere near the same even I built mine was 1,690$

So mad the 4070 super came out a week later after I bought my 4070 😭

[mystic elbow]

if I had gotten the case I wanted it would be like

1,500

[hollow carbon]

I wanted a nzxt h9 flow case but I didn’t realize that’s what it was till the last minute

So when I upgrade ima get my dream case

[mystic elbow]

I want the Y70 case

but i gotta buy more fans

[hollow carbon]

That looks like the hyte case

An a nzxt case

[mystic elbow]

yea it is

[hollow carbon]

Ohhhh

[mystic elbow]

ive been wanting to put my pc on top of my desk but not only is my desk to small

[hollow carbon]

That’s the case you can put a screen on the case

[mystic elbow]

the pc is too big

😭

[hollow carbon]

😭 what is in yo pc

[mystic elbow]

not a lot i just picked a huge ahh case

n the y70 would be even bigger

[hollow carbon]

😭

I’m suprised your mobo fits

Case I want

Well if it’s a big case any mobo fits

[mystic elbow]

yea i just gotta get extra table

so I can put the pc on it

💀

[hollow carbon]

😭 why did you go with such a big case

[mystic elbow]

i didnt know how it would look

and I thought my desk would be bigger-

[hollow carbon]

😭

[mystic elbow]

cant downsize cuz id need a diff everything

😭

[hollow carbon]

Atleast yk now to take measurements 😭 before buying a random case

[mystic elbow]

i rushed into it cuz my laptop was on its last legs

laptop was runnin on hopes n dreams

[hollow carbon]

😭 an im sure your mobo will tell you if its compatible with the case

Even tho a big case fits any mobo

It’ll just look tiny inside a big case

[mystic elbow]

yea i just cant downsize even tho id like to

im in the process of moving and carrying that pc around is turrifying

[hollow carbon]

All elsword sweats start from laptop 🤔 maybe I need to go through this phase

[hollow carbon]

😭 I want to see the case sb

[mystic elbow]

More like all TEENAGERS start from laptop

[hollow carbon]

What’s it called

[mystic elbow]

BC I WAS A TEEN

WHEN I GOT IT

[hollow carbon]

LMAO

[mystic elbow]

https://hyte.com/store/y70?v=311

thats the one i want

https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Eclipse-G500A-Tower-Black/dp/B0BMPG47KQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XQP0TQ181P74&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.H7w1cJJJ7O9o93w2IOjayCqwwnZeOGQHTChI5ioDT8DCZ8844ZeVvnsg4xBV-2unF51_yWEgM3pkHS5wUQ6wG7_bosOYV8HTz0OkZOOsynAX-p0oojajueI6V2LnjXMXbogNG65WLBwzKbRIE8ohqzKqDg8JGvSa9wDZwOxpys1T2Z3VYi4ZGyGrwoWx2Y9333uodH_DLY5FdULbrGhbuemK1rVOoafa1V6WO3_c_18.yEhMwHhjpXWL06G7Vt8L6EsPwB0i5kNk6uuYAl6wGZ4&dib_tag=se&keywords=phanteks+case&psr=EY17&qid=1708107903&s=black-friday&sprefix=phanteks+cas%2Cblack-friday%2C98&sr=1-1

bigg frickin link

thats what i have

[hollow carbon]

😭 ewwww

Look like one of those cheap prebuilt cases

[mystic elbow]

yea it was a lot cheaper

when i got it too

$89 when i got it

so it went up in price

[hollow carbon]

I got my case for 75

Pretty plain but looks spectacular

With my components in it beside from this big cpu cooler

In need to invest into a aio

So I can have a cleaner aesthetic

[mystic elbow]

i want to be able to decorate my case more

can't rly do that w/ the current one

[hollow carbon]

😭 you really do need that Y70

[mystic elbow]

fr

ok i gotta eat

[hollow carbon]

I made pizza for breakfast

😄

Im living so backwards

[versed knot]

This is a weird pvp convo

[clever sigil]

but its funny that she can

beautiful when perfected and blended with her kit

[lilac merlin]

😔 sadly..

[noble pelican]

Facts; that’s how I played when I started

Mushy keyboard and all 😬

[versed knot]

I still do-

[empty ore]

So heres my topic of the day.

What are some "tells" that you notice players do on characters whether its out of habit or because it kinda works.

Ill start ig.
Labies: If you're doing >>^XX (The base dive thingy). It often ends up mad predictable. So when I see it enough I go ooo free catch.

FP's: Excessive >>^^X~X (Air shooting). All im thinkin is; look at that mp wasted. Bonus points if they dont fast fall the shots.

Wait I remembered a fun one.
Teleport tells

When you make an Aisha break and you basically predict what way they're going to tele. Its such a good read if you know the player

[mystic elbow]

Ppl awking

[warm hornet]

I have an idea, what if everyone's super armor worked like LuCiel's "hunting prey"? With the exception that super armor as a "buff" will be unchanged.

For context: getting hit at the back while in a super armor attack -> you will get hit-stuned.

And it would apply to actives with super armor.

And command attacks with super armor.

[clever sigil]

I'll be asking what i asked in a spar room today:

Is there a beef with sweats? And whats wrong with being a sweat?

[clever sigil]

Tho, ngl i got gudder on laptop, cause the arrow keys are tiny, and flickable for stepping

[hollow carbon]

lmao there is no beef

[oblique sundial]

i wouldnt just because of the number of things that hit behind when youre attacked from the front

[clever sigil]

Got a few i can think of, some who dont play no more sadly:

Lofie/Thlapsi
Saving(comes in once in a blue moon)
Routine(she helped me with my quickfalls)
Ange
09Gb(idk if hes been job changing, but ye)
Rosalinna(when he wants to try)
ME!!-(this ones a joke)

[hollow carbon]

gb switch to bq

[oblique sundial]

ange do be fast as hell

[mystic elbow]

@knotty kraken do u still have jellies

[knotty kraken]

as always

[mystic elbow]

how many

[knotty kraken]

19 stacks

[mystic elbow]

can i have like

10

[knotty kraken]

sure thing

where you at

[mystic elbow]

Altera channel Elrianode city

IGN Yorozuya

[hollow carbon]

speaking ange

lol

[oblique sundial]

If I could move like ange

My arthritis would probably be worse

[buoyant folio]

They can be your ange or your devi

[hollow carbon]

I’m lowkey getting there

I’m convinced all the cool players know each other

Saber knows ange saber knows ted saber knows leits and gb

[hollow carbon]

hey @mystic elbow

how do i pull off the direction switch mid x drop

[versed knot]

Switching side xdrop is a crazy concept on raven

[buoyant folio]

I would say it's possible but not practical lmao

[pallid parcel]

i think thats >>^v<x

o smtn

[hollow carbon]

Yea I need to master helix stepping first before I can do it

I can do stepping to the right just to the left I’m not use to switching my placement

[mystic elbow]

Ask cashu

@potent abyss i cant answer this but im pretty sure u can

[buoyant folio]

the fact that y'all both have shadow pfps omg

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-groupchat-when-i-leave-the-groupchat-me-fr-gif-5772299355913202474

[mystic elbow]

[hollow carbon]

I need a break from elsword

[buoyant folio]

take one then

[mystic elbow]

No one ever needs a break from elsword

Its too much fun.

[potent abyss]

Wait you mean like to attack on the other side??

[hollow carbon]

Yea

[potent abyss]

Or catch w/ Z

O

[hollow carbon]

Like drop switch sides

[potent abyss]

Are u online rn

[hollow carbon]

Uhh nah

😭

I got tired

[buoyant folio]

trolling

[potent abyss]

Its fine

[buoyant folio]

trOLLINGGGG

[hollow carbon]

Im still adapting to stepping

I’m suprised I got it down in a day

[potent abyss]

Its easier if you can vstep and spring step

[hollow carbon]

People was telling me it take weeks

[hollow carbon]

I can v step

[potent abyss]

Not if uk what to press

Can u at least do one spring step

[hollow carbon]

Just not when my opponent is in mid air

[hollow carbon]

Yup

That’s the dash stepping right?

[potent abyss]

Then you should be fine it’s basically one spring step and the v step to catch it

[hollow carbon]

The >>^v^v^

[potent abyss]

Yea thats spring

[hollow carbon]

Yea I’ll just need to practice it more

Why thank you Cashu for coming😄

[potent abyss]

If u want i can break it down for u in spar when u come on more if u need

Np

[hollow carbon]

Pls do

[potent abyss]

Yuhh ping me n lmk

[hollow carbon]

Kk tyyy

[potent abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/roll-out-gif-20490355

[abstract yacht]

but has a triple bullet blitz :^)

(mod boomerang)

[empty ore]

Ahh

Most ppl dont use that cause haha revolver go brrr

[versed knot]

Who's not taking a homing skill reusable for 3 times

[empty ore]

I should rephrase

I personally dont see ppl use it.

And I cant even use names as a frame of reference because everyone namechanged.

[abstract yacht]

its honestly really absurd skill

it costs 200mp
granted
although it has light trait

but u can hold onto the 2 additional usages forever

[onyx epoch]

U gotta spring step

[hollow carbon]

can someone come 1v1 me plz an ty

[buoyant folio]

wow

a

1v1

You say!?

[hollow carbon]

Yup

[buoyant folio]

aight

make the room

😤

[hollow carbon]

Kk

Made ittt

[clever sigil]

undercrossing... i pressume.

You should work on your quickfalls first. eg: >>^<VZ(1) >>^V<Z(2)

for the full string: ZZXX>>^v^v<Z

Do not, make this your focus, get the bread and butter down first

[kindred frost]

back from vacation

[heavy spear]

does luciel have any cool tech

[hollow carbon]

Every character do you just have to experience them more

To find out

Sit in training trying different things

The wise words of Salesir~ there is no bad character you just don’t know how to pilot them

[abstract yacht]

Training room isnt exactly a good place to practice things out.

Lowe has higher knockback properties than any other character

basically he gets pushed, pulled and knocked up further than any other character to practice any realistic combo

[dusk dock]

^

[buoyant folio]

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