pvp

[mystic elbow]

who

[willow mural]

so rude!

[lavish socket]

who

[hollow hound]

TP is amazing.

[knotty kraken]

so apparently diangellion is even more stupid now with the bravery changes

[hollow hound]

Yep.

[hollow hound]

Bro, DaB should no exist in pvp.

[lilac merlin]

Fighting certain mtms is so painful 😭

[hollow hound]

DaB can spam like 3 gugnirs in a row.

So cool.

Not busted at all.

Also TP cmd dmg with that present thingy.

Not to mention Diangelion cmd dmg too.

Man, how can you play fair and nice when this kind of things exist, lol?

You know a char is braindead when you can play with them while dronk.

[buoyant folio]

Interesting pfp you got there........

[lilac merlin]

Good or bad interesting

[buoyant folio]

good interesting bc it's Nia 🙏

[lilac merlin]

🙏🏾

[buoyant folio]

best girl 🥹

[abstract yacht]

"How toxic do you get when you're irritated?"

me:

[oblique sundial]

dont see how theyd have really changed at all in 1s ngl

ig more people are stacking execution as opposed to transcendence?

in 2s theyre probably just straight up worse since they lost access to an easy two hit 4k%

[empty ore]

I dont like mod land crusher chunking tho

Catches me off guard lol

[knotty kraken]

alter of evil and its funny homing commands

[oblique sundial]

Yeah uh

They've kind of always had that

[heavy spear]

how's apsara in 1s

is she a command dmg character or is there a nuke i'd want to hit

[mystic elbow]

spiritual dragon

[heavy spear]

ngl her neutral doesn't seem great without mana, she seems really good at clashing though

[mystic elbow]

shes good but has a very weak neutral

[heavy spear]

yeah she looks like she just has to wait until she has an active to try catching with

[mystic elbow]

Basically yea

[oblique sundial]

saem and fair but this still isnt a new thing

i really hope i remembered to turn off the ping thing

[versed knot]

I swear this one aps has champ acc on, and cus of her passive prevents knock up so I cant infinite her so just end up losing since I ate 3 awk + spirit dragons

[oblique sundial]

Hey that happened to me once

I just logged off because I don't want to play into it

[heavy spear]

i wonder why it's always the characters with poor neutral that interest me -- i was inno before i was dem/cata

but i'll make an aps next punch event, see if i like her

[mystic elbow]

Some people like suffering I guess 😭

[willow mural]

luciel mains are all masochists ☝️

[abstract yacht]

to be fair DeM was broken prior the patch

[oblique sundial]

Dem was a gear check

And they had no neutral

[heavy spear]

and now they have nothing lol

[oblique sundial]

In 2s they have utility still ig? Idk

And yeah they're just useless now

No damage, autoloses to any meaningful SA, can't break through any form of zoning

[heavy spear]

they dont have damage, they dont have neutral, they just had a gimmick and that was taken away so now they have nothing

[oblique sundial]

Can't clock for braveries so the snowball is gone

And inno idk

She can clock ig

[heavy spear]

i take it shakti is the strongest ara in 1s atm?

not even her neutral seems particularly strong, at least not without mana

[versed knot]

SH? Your whole neutral is gonna be specter walk and awk

Especially more with the reawk patch

[heavy spear]

wonderful, i just got ptsd flashbacks from when RoF gave full bead and asura released

[mystic elbow]

Her neutral is fine

She does have the best Ara neutral

SH > Devi > SU (imo) > Apsara

SH and Devi can land stray hits and get catches out of it

SU >>^ZX has linger and reaches a platform lower but thats about it

[abstract yacht]

meanwhile Apsara is just about what every other Ara can do

but hey she got a dive am i rite

[heavy spear]

sounds like that nuke of hers is her only saving grace

[willow mural]

at least its not falling dragon

[mystic elbow]

I mean well

Apsara gives legit zero mp

And does pretty ok command dmg

So ppl arent gonna be able to mb often

[heavy spear]

at the very least, she seems more mobile in neutral than inno/dem ever was for me

[oblique sundial]

Inno is pretty mobile, you just don't want to play them aggressively

Dem can air camp for years but you'll run out of mp lul

[kindred frost]

I hate everyone in pvp rn

[buoyant folio]

😔

[lavish socket]

welcome to one shot pvp

[oblique sundial]

dia doesnt one shot D:

they just do 20 instances of 40k damage

in such a short amount of time that you cant mb it

[kindred frost]

I lost my cool at this one really annyoing Laby

[loud wadi]

that's laby for you

[kindred frost]

bro fr

I felt kinda ashamed cause I whispered them and I try not to get that upset where im whispering ppl but homedude hit me up with the mail box and made it personal and then that honestly made me laugh

[willow mural]

THE MAILBOX?? LMAO

Nah I kinda wanna see the message 😭

[kindred frost]

I got you

What got me was after I sent that last whisper I stopped, homie hopped on the alt then did the finishing combo in my mail box

[versed knot]

Man needs a break from the internet overall

[kindred frost]

Homie certainly does. Imma probably take a break and keep focusing on pve. Finally come with berthe.

I try not to get too heated especially not whisper people. I think it's just frustration playing CE and him taunting me with stickers 😭

Flags and stickers are my weakness man

[hollow hound]

Ikr.

I won against an HR on the first match, then he won against me on the second match and flagged me, then I won on the third match and bye bye. No flags anymore.

[hollow hound]

Wait stickers too?!

So stickers are some kind of mockery too?

[lavish socket]

Technically anything can be a form of mockery even if enough people understand it

Sometimes people get confused with gg (good game) and GG (git gud)

[versed knot]

Lol I swear there's something about that hello phoru sticket that tugs a hate string in me

[kindred frost]

Bro fr and then dude starts gas lighting me saying "who's gloating?" "I'm not mocking you"

YES YOU ARE

[warm hornet]

this is why i don't use acronymes to much.

[oblique sundial]

I think the only time I've whispered someone recently was an aisha who was trying to be cool with aisha

I love being a nice encouraging person :D

[abstract yacht]

I've legitimately never seen anyone ever use gg for "git gud"

[lavish socket]

I haven't seen it in a while but I think I've seen it like three times in total

[kindred frost]

That's very good. Proud of you

[solid socket]

yeah me neither i read that and went "wait when"

[noble pelican]

I use stickers as a greeting to someone I know, or I’ve fought them before. I worry I annoyed people now…

[mystic elbow]

They’ll be ok

[abstract yacht]

look

in any game

no matter the genre, as long as it's in a PvP scenario;

anything that you can show

an emote, a flag, a sit motion
ANYTHING

will be considered mockery

And not because said thing is a mockery in itself, but because people make it so.

if there's anything that can be used to taunt others, people will use it for said intention, welcome to gaming communities.

[mystic elbow]

Mm well

Knowing cosmo who’s rly nice

If i saw them sticker me

Ik they not being toxic

At some point its just using your brain

[buoyant folio]

I shall breathe the same air as PvP players 😤 is that mockery?!

[warm hornet]

i see it as acknowledgement. they proved to me that i was worth the effort to being flagged or emoted.

[oblique sundial]

the only people who flag me are rose mains

i already hate rose mains

[warm hornet]

it's only a mockery if they dropped you in a combo(reseting neutral) to emote.

and then getting caught in a 50/50 scenario.

but in elswords case, top tiers has tools to secure neutral again easily anyways

[warm hornet]

i trust that you respect PyroCannons.

at least.

[mystic elbow]

no.

[mystic elbow]

Its always been aishas for me

[warm hornet]

then we are just living in a small world i guess.

[mystic elbow]

I respect Bol/Slrin/Larry tho on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays though

[warm hornet]

wait, that means the other days of the week are exceptions??!?!

[oblique sundial]

i respect none of the roses

idc how good you are with your character i hate your character and i hate you for playing them

[warm hornet]

alright, that's fine.

TB has a 15% chance to ignore all defense.

[mystic elbow]

The other days is the days I respect another wack character

[warm hornet]

BM just outright shread defense and bleeds you.

[mystic elbow]

Wouldve been a Rena but Rena players been making me mad lately

Yea TB is slept on

Heavily.

Good thing BlM n MN arent

[warm hornet]

Minerva is a mosquito with a long range gun.

[mystic elbow]

The Roses gain way too much mp for basically breathing on u

[warm hornet]

and Prime Operator is the special case.

[mystic elbow]

PO can at least just mp burn u effortlessly

[warm hornet]

i don't know about that, i think other characters can gain mana just as much.

[warm hornet]

with dark/fire build.

PO can't burn me if she knocks me down.

[mystic elbow]

No i dont rly think they are

Elesis yes definitely

[warm hornet]

if anything, they all can snowball.\

[mystic elbow]

Aisha too actually

Well mostly AeS

[warm hornet]

CE appenrently can't snow ball like many other classes.

[mystic elbow]

Oh and FBs

I dont think shes snowballing as easily

She rly just has one skill thats a 100% snowball

But it feeds

Tho it is cool that sm1 could mb it and get right back in the combo

(Cool when im CE)

[warm hornet]

it's more like CE doesn't have passives or debuffs to snow ball like other characters.

[mystic elbow]

Meanwhile other classes do it with tenacities

Mm well passives n debuffs dont have much to do with it

Booms n blackhole succ skills do

[warm hornet]

Tempest Burster snowballs by getting stacks every times she uses a special active. and thus, more damage.

and at max stacks, she'll have a 15% chance to ignore all your physical/magical defense.

[pallid parcel]

https://youtu.be/lWN0_S5DoFo?t=167

why does this last longer than Obten

[warm hornet]

funny thing, that skill ignores eve's core guard.

[mystic elbow]

Longer than Unique Obten?

[warm hornet]

[mystic elbow]

SUs tailsman lasts longer than Unique Obten too

:)

That skill lingers for 10 sec iirc

[warm hornet]

i'll face tank it with super armor as usual.

if grounded

[mystic elbow]

That works. Kinda.

[warm hornet]

if anyone can reduce/shred/ignore my defense, it's a hard fight for me.

i'm sitting on around 65% damage reduction from defense, something simple as armor break can make you do nearly 20% more damage to me.

ah yes, i'm glorified gear check.

CE with nothing much to amplify damage(passives).

and same with defense.

for pvp that is.

[oblique sundial]

Surya is just another aids mp burner

Like if we look at a normal tier list sure she's gonna be low tier or something but like

She's an S tier vibe killer so nerf her anyways :D

[versed knot]

Damn good to know I'm on for 3 days out of the week * ^*b

[hollow hound]

I don't respect Roses either, nor Aishas, Labys or Renas.

[versed knot]

So true I shud stop playing rose and play another good char instead

[kindred frost]

no you're fine. See the context of that situation was, first there was no stickers and he was beating me. Then I learned and started getting some in. Then he switched up his play style and started doing the "pro phoru sticker" where he it look like he was laughing

so it was 100% a revenge/provoking tactic

and the stuff he said after I called it out was just proof he was being toxic.

[clever sigil]

Pyro Is a homie.
Hurts, But is a homie.

[dull forum]

thoughts on active stacking on lithia

[empty ore]

Just do it.

If you think theres potential

Just do it.

test it all out

Then answer some basic questions

Is this viable?
Is this x better than y?

[warm hornet]

^

[knotty kraken]

anyone want 18 stacks of jelmatis

[warm hornet]

useless, as a pvp main, i have at least 5 stacks.

[oblique sundial]

i have a solid like 6000 rn and i dont plan on jcing anyone or gearing anyone for pvp

i really wish they were useful for anything other than pvp gear

[clever sigil]

imagine being able to exchance jellmatis and those coins (the ones that get you the specialize fragments) for mystics, sages, or accs upgrades ( eg: upgrading the champion accs or radiant champ Accs with some viable PVP or potential PVE stats) ?

terrrible idea? or just needs more thought?

[dusk dock]

i really like OM 1s. but should i even bother with 2s?

[mystic elbow]

if u wanna

[versed knot]

He does shine more in 2s right

[oblique sundial]

literally anything to make pvp worth doing would be pretty nice

[noble pelican]

I agree with @oblique sundial; once you have your build completed, they just sit in your inventory to look nice

[willow mural]

same goes with the duelist coins

[empty ore]

Jellmatis nah, coins absolutely. They are an inventory clog at this point.

[empty ore]

OM shines alot more in 2s. Sorta like how LA is mid in 1s but great in 2s. Code Yellow Splash damage, Defib one shot setups. He is certainly not a dead weight if played well.

Oh yeah suction thats good for crowd control.

[dusk dock]

mhmm

i just like being against the mold

and actually learning neutral

but ill try 2s this season

right @willow mural

:D?

[empty ore]

two important questions tho

[dusk dock]

shoot

[empty ore]

How much mpr do you have and how much hp do you have

[dusk dock]

22%

500k

[empty ore]

Dont do 2s yet

Youll die, fast

While the IB set is still running. grab yourself a pair of AN earrings

https://i.imgur.com/PVytd1S.png
Play around with some dignity stones too

[dusk dock]

understood

[empty ore]

You can do them on the duelist gear if you arent comfortable with using your wep

[dusk dock]

1s life for me atm then

[empty ore]

Basically you want at least 25% mpr and 600k HP. And thats like bare minimum. Ideal is like 30% mpr and 700k hp.

But thats $$$

[dusk dock]

😭

not this year i guess

i can melt but get melted instead

[warm hornet]

and thus i am the exception for building tank.

get's killed anyways

[dusk dock]

your tanking is different

you explained it to me

but like

i still fw it

[warm hornet]

fw?

[dusk dock]

no-no word

but basically

[fiery lion]

dekomlev has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[warm hornet]

XD

[dusk dock]

i tried it

😔

[willow mural]

Yeah I'm down

Me with low mpr lmao

[dusk dock]

I'll contact you at a later date for the usual 2s deranking session

[abstract yacht]

https://youtu.be/jHrw0ea7lMo?si=osLTIP0349ClBUzM

it amuses me but at the same time it hurts me lmao

[warm hornet]

i see what you two are going for, but man... latency so freaken fat.

imagine if elsword has rollback netcode.

there's already input delay in the game already. somewhat

[oblique sundial]

Implementing rollback in a game like els would be weird

Attack speed variations as a socketable stat, booms, frame one things

None of that sounds agreeable to rollback

[dusk dock]

Me if we get rollback netcode and I still get hit by double Haunting Spirit

[oblique sundial]

https://twitter.com/WaterNinja87/status/1559382867314081792
bbtag got rollback netcode and people started spring stepping

WaterNinja 🇵🇷 (@WaterNinja87) on X

Bruh #BBTAG #PS5Share

Twitter · Aug 16, 2022, 3:33 AM

if elsword gets rollback netcode were gonna have persona characters

[warm hornet]

all i see is that the game will become way more CPU intense... maybe.

[warm hornet]

we already do don't we?

[oblique sundial]

do we?

[oblique sundial]

its less that itll be performance intensive and more that those kinds of things dont seem like theyd work very well with rollback at all

[warm hornet]

hit stun them at full screen range and gap close crazy as a follow up? i can see that already in elsword.

seeing people run away from a client sidded hitstun forces me to doubt my every attacks in neutral.

and then do guess work if lightning chain worked or not. and once i realize it hit on their end, it's too late for a follow up and have to back out.

simular case with other commands/skills

show you the numbers that they got hit, but they don't get hit stunned/damaged.

like bro, everyone can space attacks, but we can't space b~llsh~t.

[oblique sundial]

okay but imagine youre in the middle of hitting a FB and all of a sudden hes on the other side of the map and youre getting hypersonic stabbed

not because he mashed or anything

but theres actually the equivelant to a full second of delay and you didnt notice

[warm hornet]

ok, i did a little more research on what might be better...

what about GGPO

i'ma look into more of that

to be honest i imagine the roll back being like guilty gear strive, Dragon ball Z fighers, or Grand Blue Fantasy: Versus Rising.

those kind of rollback.

So most japanese fighting game don't want to use GGPO because they can't own GGPO.

because GGPO is aparently a free netcode source that eveyone can use.

it's open source.

GGPO is Roll back for Pier to Pier games.

so roll back for Pier to Pier games are very hard to do... to make it good

[oblique sundial]

ggpo is great for small developers for pretty obvious reasons

used mostly for emulators though afaik

and a few community projects

iirc mbaacc's community made rollback netcode setup is done through ggpo so ye

itd be hard to make it work for a game like elsword though

like for one its written in like 90% lua afaik and for two its code is a complete mess

ggpo is a combination of c++ and c, getting something as simple as a handshake between all of this would be a nightmare for any dev

i really need to stop messing around in s rank

people are gonna quit because of me

[warm hornet]

but imagine if it worked.

if it was the "good" outcome.

[oblique sundial]

I mean if elsword ever got any form of netcode that'd be amazing

Both from a gameplay point of view and a security point of view

I shouldn't be able to tell people what town they live by just queuing against them

Some sort of rollback would be ideal but at this point I'd be happy with crappy delay based something or other

[abstract yacht]

hmmm where else can I up my res for pvp I wonder

missing wind to cap there

[celest ore]

discussing elsword as it is now with rollback is a total nonstarter, it never would or could be implemented

most we could hope for is a game that's like elsword with rollback, though in that case i'm guessing it'd probably be pvp only

[empty ore]

Artifact rings doubled out?

[abstract yacht]

got one

the other is cdmg

[empty ore]

mmm collection?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YS7dJJTF3kE
This might become a nuisance '

[willow mural]

wut

[oblique sundial]

damn bro laby just needs to be deleted

[hollow hound]

Laby, Aisha, Rena and Rose.

And Elsword, Raven and every class in game.

[heavy spear]

delete the whole game. free us from our addiction

[oblique sundial]

i can agree with rose

[dusk dock]

HA. Us DBFZ fans wish he had rollback fully released rn. We had but a taste of it during the Stress Test but now we are craving more of it 😭

[oblique sundial]

Dbfz is cringe

[dusk dock]

It is

But it kept me off Elsword for 3 years and introduced me to the world of fighting games

[buoyant folio]

I personally couldn't get into it

[dusk dock]

For that, I am grateful

[buoyant folio]

me and my 11 hrs

[dusk dock]

Fair

I was able to mesh well with the genre due to prior PvP experience in Elsword ngl

[noble pelican]

S rank is a great place to mess around 👍🏼

[clever sigil]

I have never seen that last nuke(execution) be used in reverse. Didnt even think the direction was changeable.

Wild.

Tho ease up sometimes, don't want to lose all curiosity in arena.
(By that I mean don't hold back sometimes, feel bad for those folk)

[oblique sundial]

I'm just here for the apples at this point

I don't even have a mild interest in taking arena seriously

I've been on board, it doesn't matter anymore

[abstract yacht]

seems that with my double res ring I overcap water resistance by 90

that means I can spare one water res in armor for smth else

actually 120 exceed because I like to wear the resis synergy

[abstract yacht]

I am... so baffled by this entire interaction like

it got a good laugh out of me like WHAT IS HAPPENING LMAO

also good to know Heavy Stance can counter Drain.... for some reason.

and Fog not applying slow for some reason too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/898029171123568711.webp?size=44&quality=lossless

there's so much shenanigans happening here

[heavy spear]

if i were to make a shakti instead of aps

what's my main source of damage

[mystic elbow]

Everything

Unironically.

[heavy spear]

figured lol

[mystic elbow]

Shakti is a character that can stack every type of skill

Active stack? Phantom fox stance 2

Tenacity - Spectre Restraint

Strength - Thunder

Bravery - Fox Valley or if u wanna be cool Fox Illusion

[heavy spear]

i'm considering her instead because she has better neutral but she also seems to feed more mana than aps

which is why aps is still somewhat appealing to me
(emphasis on somewhat)

[mystic elbow]

She doesnt feed mana if you dont use her commands in combo

If u use normal ara stuff u wont feed

[hollow hound]

I swear I struggle a lot fighting Aishas.

I can't get closers because they will drag me up with a skill, but I can't stay away because they will catch me somehow.

[empty ore]

This is a non issue once you have sufficient gear. If anyone is tanking you well.. restore your hp.

Cause Shakti can still do that

[empty ore]

Its sadly a lose lose for you no matter what. You're CA right?

[abstract yacht]

Shakti is the least feeding ara in my experience lol
energy absorption and mana drain be like

[mystic elbow]

[abstract yacht]

She is also stupid but feels around the same level or less
what was her evil trait skill
the talisman?

[mystic elbow]

that n howling fox gets rid of resist

as well as her secret art stance 1 burning mp too

[celest ore]

pen's just too funny

[oblique sundial]

what did you do

[mystic elbow]

casual 400k on everyone

[oblique sundial]

fair enough

[hollow hound]

CE.

[hollow hound]

I won't be complaining if I were a CA, lol.

[warm hornet]

CE's summons scales with 25% of her HP in pvp.

but i don't know about their physical/magical defense values....

or maybe it's the same

[oblique sundial]

Summons just mean more mp tbh

[abstract yacht]

Summons overall aren't really very resistant in PvP

...

except Nisha's

for some reason hers can tank quite a bit.

[empty ore]

Dont they heal with her too

[celest ore]

funny triple collateral oneshot on ce and her summons

[abstract yacht]

to my knowledge NL's healing for using a special active only applies to her

[mystic elbow]

ah yes

pvp.

[mystic elbow]

i got the IB for free :)

[hollow hound]

That's why I don't use summons in pvp.

[versed knot]

Classic S ranks... but what's going on in the megaphone tho

[heavy spear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv2__Ev90CA&t=322s

uhhhhh question

whatever happened starting at 5:22, is that actually a thing for shakti?

or am i seeing some sort of meme build

[mystic elbow]

ill look in a sec

[heavy spear]

it's just uhhh spamming exorcism arts to death

[mystic elbow]

yes she can do that but its also her build

ive been able to do > secret arts > thunder > secret arts

to sm1

[heavy spear]

man idk what to think about that

it looks

cheesy?

[mystic elbow]

yea but build aside

it does help a lot

[empty ore]

Yeah these seem to be using some insane meme build.

Seeing as hey have 751mp

The amount of mp they recover from orbs is actually insane.

[abstract yacht]

the fact that immediately after that clip is a clip of Laby and "Oi!" being glitchy as crap lmao

[abstract yacht]

smn just used Fog on me and I started spamming >>^X as Laby

and it became a combo in itself

[oblique sundial]

it may be a meme but its definitely one hell of a win condition lmao

[glass echo]

Don't forget though

Being caught in SA against a Shakti is always going to be bad

A normal Exorcism is enough to delete your hp bar anyways

They were just taking it to the extreme

[oblique sundial]

Shakti kills you yeh but the way that one was doing it was way funnier

[heavy spear]

well i guess i'm decided then

makin a shakti once punch event comes

i had a YR back in the day and i remember her being so strong in every way

her neutral was really good and so was her damage via rakshasa 1+2, and she even had a resurrect

now she's mid because power creep lol

but i never got her past level 50ish and yet i could beat people at max, which i think was 70 at the time

[mystic elbow]

Devi is nowhere near mid

[heavy spear]

o nvm then

what does devi do for damage now? i think there was a point where rakshasa 1 was changed to an active so they stopped using it

[abstract yacht]

Rakshasa still does considerable dmg

but her dmg is either Mod rakshasa inferno or Ignition spear

preferably rakshasa given it's nearly impossible to dodge unless the map has a curve and cuz ignition doesnt shine as much unless 2v2 with enemy mispositioning

[dusk dock]

This is a 1v1!!! 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[willow mural]

back on my pvp grind

thinking of buying a tenacity or flexibility ring

[dusk dock]

😭

welcome back

[dusk dock]

depends on your current playstyle atm

[willow mural]

memes

this celestia is kicking my butt LMAO

I FINALLY BEAT HIM

spiral blast is dumb as all hell lmao 💀

and flame orb is a guaranteed hit

what should i stack

[dusk dock]

uh

hm

try flex

[abstract yacht]

https://youtu.be/ml_OQ2QVC9Q?si=8Nnn4ElFoUf1_vmz

ah yes 2018
when chung's ZZZX mp gain wasnt nerfed by 40% and CeT's 200% mp gain was still not pvp divided

I rember
💀

[glass eagle]

stashes Falling Dragon in back pocket

[empty ore]

Mod Eternal Fire

[willow mural]

i was using sword fire but ill try that

[empty ore]

Rak 1 + 2
Wolf Arts
Ignition spear
Rakshasa Inferno

Girl is not lacking in skill damage.

Stack spear or inferno given your preference.

Wolf arts is just strong due to def ignore. More than usually forces a break

[willow mural]

@dusk dock @knotty kraken @mystic elbow this is why i stopped pvping

[knotty kraken]

patpat

[willow mural]

look at the bottom left 💀

[knotty kraken]

60 -> 1 fps seems fine to me

regular pvp for me

nothing wrong here

[abstract yacht]

sees RV

alr gn, you tried.

[mystic elbow]

not the windows xp gaming

[willow mural]

i cant even die because i lag out of damage

you can cast your big dmg skill and ill tank it

[mystic elbow]

😭

you're about to get reported for hacking

[dusk dock]

This happens to me all the time

Especially if I Alt+Tab into a match

[willow mural]

thing is it happens randomly

and i cant do squat about it

[dusk dock]

yeah it's weird

idk what to do about it either

so i just use it to my advantage in PvP

but if it happens during raid

im cooked

😭

[willow mural]

when i lag i cant even attack back so i just let people kill me

[abstract yacht]

and yet u still ate 2 of my BPs

[oblique sundial]

Gotta hunt Ben in arena

He's free ap

More apples

[mystic elbow]

facts

[glass echo]

Deserved for playing with English voices

[abstract yacht]

LMAO

[dusk dock]

LOL

Leave Ben alone!!!!

;c

[oblique sundial]

ill farm you to dont worry '

as long as i get my like

three(?) apples

[dusk dock]

😭

[lavish socket]

at least u get 1 fps recently my game just completely freezes sometimes

idk what KOG is doing but I never had this problem before

[willow mural]

I can't die with dignity 😭
I was fighting a lithia and told her to kill me and I just lagged out of all her attacks. Took like 2 minutes to finally kill me LOL

[noble pelican]

Have you tried disabling your NVIDIA capture? It helped me w/ a lag problem I had

Like, I had used that “built in GeForce capture” thing before when I recorded gameplay

Had to disable it when someone told me it caused me to lag during matches

[willow mural]

well, i dont think its the recording doing that

i have lag spikes like those even when im not recording

[noble pelican]

Not sure if it does anything in the background, but it’s worth a try to see if disabling it will help

I miss your gameplay

[empty ore]

See if you have xbox capture on too

https://i.imgur.com/qSZV5wj.png

that could cause drops too

[willow mural]

im using linux u_u

[empty ore]

Oh god

[heavy spear]

i wonder

who has the best escape skill?

[mystic elbow]

Chung

But some will say a character with a reversal option is better

[heavy spear]

oh, huh

i was thinking elboy for that reason

[abstract yacht]

Elboy's and Elesis' are pretty good yes

they are very quick and don't get you too far from the opponent which allows you to quickly catch them off guards

a little problem is the fact that if the opponent tosses a big multi hit you're still gonna get caught right after even if it wasn't their intention

Chung's on the other hand, can reverse and keeps him safe as well
if you're near the edge of a platform, he can knock you back towards it and catch you as you fall from the edge
and if you were to be in a super armor he can stay in iframe for 1.5s and think through how to reverse you since you weren't KD due to super armor but you're now open to being hit since you can't hit him back

[mystic elbow]

In terms of reversal ability I feel like Noahs is the best

Even Labys feels better sometimes than a redhead

[celest ore]

rose is p good

[lavish socket]

I think Rose is only good because it hurts people while dodging

It has the same problem as ara

[heavy spear]

when i played anemos i actually found myself dissatisfied with rena's escape though idk if i was just being stupid

[lavish socket]

If you can predict where the rose is going to dodge you can pretty much catch them once the iframes are gone

Actually I think that's just for all Dodge skills

[abstract yacht]

hardly, the dmg is very mid

but

her esc skill is actually decent for BlM

cuz she can press the esc only once and come back at you with mod Bloody Spike

[mystic elbow]

Dont compare it to Ara’s mediocre esc pls 😭

Rose esc is way better than Aras

[noble pelican]

I was thinking this too

[mystic elbow]

Only esc that’s comparable to Aras is Ains

And his is the worst in the game

[lavish socket]

how tho its the same as ara if the rose double press dodge skill

the only diffence is that you dont have that option on ara...

[mystic elbow]

Rose goes soo much further than Ara does

[lavish socket]

devi's field clear skill would beg to differ

[mystic elbow]

Uhm yea thats hitting anyone not just rose 😐

[lavish socket]

ok that why I said that ara problem is everyone problem

[mystic elbow]

Because of that one skill?

Seriously?

[lavish socket]

oh there more

[mystic elbow]

No

Dont even bother please

Non comparable

In terms of actually escaping Rose has one of the better esc skills

[lavish socket]

yea I would agree

[mystic elbow]

And Ara has one of the worst.

Next to Ain and Rena.

[lavish socket]

I thought elboy was bad???

that better?

[mystic elbow]

He can go back twice at least

Rena can go back but she just goes forward again and basically goes nowhere

Ain only goes back

Ara only goes up

His isnt good but not worse than those three imo

[lavish socket]

I can tell what KOG wanted to do but fail in execution...

[mystic elbow]

Well def not worse than Ain and Ara but Rena can be debatable

Renas on paper seems good

She just goes nowhere

[dusk dock]

Wait. Is that why I get frame drops? I use this for recording 😭

[lavish socket]

I'm wonder why ppl dont use OBS

[dusk dock]

Am lazy

[lavish socket]

other than Nvidia recording why use anything else

I like shadowplay

[fiery lion]

pyro3119 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lavish socket]

oh yea

i forgot

[lavish socket]

I have won matches with that small dmg

[heavy spear]

rena's escape just feels so... clunky

in addition to it going nowhere lol

at least elsword/elesis are faster

[lavish socket]

now that I completely agree it feels so clunky

[mystic elbow]

Yea

I think PR makes ok use of her esc tho

[heavy spear]

thats cause its pr

[mystic elbow]

Yea she has swing as a button

[dusk dock]

Me when I tank, escape, then Defib as OM in 1s 🗿

[heavy spear]

ara's looks like it'd be less than effective against any character with aerial coverage

[mystic elbow]

It is

Other aras just ^X u if u dont cancel it

[heavy spear]

and it's also just kinda

slow and predictable like rena's

[dusk dock]

Why does Luciel's escape go so far tbh

You really don't have any counterplay if you don't have the range 😭

[heavy spear]

that and depending on if there are walls nearby

escape > stomp for a quick reversal

[dusk dock]

I like Add's escape a lot. I get to choose from 5 different directions.

[nocturne patio]

@heavy spear im sorry for the ping and this is completely off topic but your server nickname made me laugh out loud at the concept

[heavy spear]

it's from some tumblr post

[oblique sundial]

Luciels escape is the platonic ideal of escape skills tbh

Not a reversal unless you have extra mp and get lucky, it's a neutral reset unless you use it in the dumbest way possible, and it doesn't have any extra garbage that you can tack onto it like Noah

[clever sigil]

speaking of pr. . . . I do neeed some tips against PR ( am serious, sadly)

[clever sigil]

and to be blunt, refeering to her neutral game, countering her commands( without the use of shadow step)

[mystic elbow]

U can practice against my pr

[clever sigil]

im down

[fiery lion]

MitsuMez#5347 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[clever sigil]

im gonna try and catch you tomorrow

since it's getting late for me

[heavy spear]

man i dont even know how i'd play against a pr as ara

hope they blunder into my ^x?

[noble pelican]

You can use that to record games?? Didn’t know

[mystic elbow]

Alrr

[mystic elbow]

Its annoying to say the least

Ara has no advantage whatsoever

[clever sigil]

think the iffy thing with pr is there lingering hitbox commands

add in it's range, it's hard to counter from the front, unless you got stoic up. or a dive with stoic.

problem is, a player will notice this instantly, and it'll be hard to use as a tactic

[clever sigil]

hope you saw my message after that, apologies man, Will definitely catch you tomorrow if possible, stay wells

[mystic elbow]

Dw im not home rn anyway

[oblique sundial]

Fight pr by literally just giving up and accepting that you don't have a chance

Welcome to elsword, anti airs and anti zoning mechanics don't exist

And guess what pr does

[warm hornet]

PR generally out ranges CE. It's ether i somehow have to play perfect or they walk into my electron ballz.

and she be using "Swing" if i manage to get close enough. resulting in being caught by it or resetting neutral with a trade lost... (lose HP and MP on attempt)

And don't forget about "chatter", it actually hurts for being a homing skill.

an 160mp cost skill that can do up to 2,779% (heavy trait) in PvP.

then put that with mana cost reduction and we got a high damage homing skill that cost like a tenacity

when i fight PR, i'd do my best to always try to do skill trades.

if that's their win fight button, i may as well try to make them burn it.

[heavy spear]

got my ara to 99 but it'll be a bit before i'll take her into pvp

honestly shakti doesn't seem like she'll be stronger than cata but hey it's a change of pace

[oblique sundial]

you can count on one hand the number of characters that can claim to hit as hard as cata

its an extremely high bar

[heavy spear]

at a glance, cata even seems to have an easier time in neutral than any of the aras

[hollow hound]

Is PR really worth fighting as a CE?

Or do I just accept my fate?

💀

[willow mural]

never step down

always try ur best

[mystic elbow]

Accept fate

[hollow hound]

Ummmm, yeah.

[hollow hound]

Nice.

[mystic elbow]

I actually can’t think of a game plan for CE vs PR

She has no advantage besides maybe abusing Oberons guard

[hollow hound]

Neither do I, since I can't get get closer nor run.

[mystic elbow]

But since PR awks for mp

It’s hard for ce to maintain mp lead

If she got one

[noble pelican]

Using your Haunting Spirit (force skill ) can help. If she’s far, CE can use >>ZX or whatever command that can close the distance

[warm hornet]

Never give up!

[warm hornet]

That comes at a risk if PR uses multi-hits when trying to run into her. I would only be bold enough to do >>z fayner as my best/cheap aggressive option.

better if I have core lazer

[oblique sundial]

cata neutral is solid, idk if id call it better than devi or shakti though

the biggest thing with the class is really just their absurd damage output and having like four sub 100mp booms

[glass echo]

This ain't no Disney movie

Just take the L

And then cuss them out in whispers

The good ol' 1 2

Never see it coming

[oblique sundial]

the only character really comparable to cata is probably like bq or smth

[clever sigil]

(Insert Fisherman in -10 degree water Here:)

[willow mural]

It can be a Disney movie =[

[abstract yacht]

the duality of PvP mains

[oblique sundial]

The outcome is the same

Loss

Your only chance is the secret third option

[mystic elbow]

:)

[warm hornet]

I'll die trying anyways.

[hollow hound]

I think I look worse trying an impossible. Like those times where I fought certain MtM...

[clever sigil]

Sounds like something i'd say.

[clever sigil]

speaking of "NEVAH GIVE UP" are you online by some chance?

i do wanna throw hands with your PR if possible brotha

[mystic elbow]

O right

Still or am i too late

[clever sigil]

you're right on time

[mystic elbow]

Ok gimme a few minutes

[clever sigil]

np

room name will be : fite room

[mystic elbow]

K logging in

[clever sigil]

bet

room is up o/

[mystic elbow]

@clever sigil r u coming back

[clever sigil]

ye

dced.

looks like it was me.

[mystic elbow]

alr

[clever sigil]

might be mother nature telling me" Now's not your time, take the L's and Frick off

[mystic elbow]

yea

before u log on actually

I think imma sleep just cuz I have a lot of packing

2 do tmrw

[clever sigil]

no problem then o/

thanks for your time

[mystic elbow]

nps

we can prob play again

when I have internet at new house

💀

[clever sigil]

confession:

I tried fighting without shadowstep today

I suck absolute booty against rena and aisha

noting that dab can out range me

and AeS can zone me dam hard

(current raven im using is FB, and he's got a somewhat bearable time without it)

(and PS, im not really all that grand, so i prolly won't be hitting any high- SS or even dare grace SSS with this style)

[oblique sundial]

It's fine it's a pointless endeavor

[clever sigil]

maybe

[oblique sundial]

There is no maybe

[clever sigil]

I wanted to see if what paeq said can be done.

though it's more less "skill issue ' for me

[oblique sundial]

Stop trying to win, just try not to lose

Make it take five minutes to kill you and maybe they'll leave queue so you can fight someone else

[clever sigil]

then i'll have no one to fight .-.

but u right about that.

still, just want to get some more improvement in.

main goal is just getting the mark

[warm hornet]

that's how i feel when half of the characters can out range me.

[hollow hound]

Me when DaB/PR.

[clever sigil]

thankfully

you got godlike piloiting.

[oblique sundial]

Win by making people hate the idea of fighting you so much that they just give up

No mr fb main I'm not gonna try to challenge the dive, I'm going to circle camp until you get mad

[clever sigil]

.... ngl that sounds a little targeted.
I feel the danger from that

but I do get where you coming from

is hard to play the approach and wait against those chars

i got to beware that they're getting MP from their charge

[fiery lion]

heojie has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[lilac merlin]

Oops

[lilac merlin]

Basically against PRs, honestly you really need to get timing down. Most of them sit and wait and observe, and let people fall into their attacks. You gotta play aggressively with them, and make sure they can’t just sit around and do nothing but also properly watch out for anything that can linger like Catch up, ZXXX or XZZ

Majority of Renas besides TW are more passive and rather sit and wait rather than be aggressive

AN too isn’t really passive but, DAB and PR for sure you can’t just let them sit there and watch you

Even Chatter, if you’re far enough, and keep moving, it’s not going to hit as hard or if you can time it with Elrian Clock, Obtenebration, or a skill with a long enough iframe u can possibly just outright avoid it

[knotty kraken]

what did i say?

[abstract yacht]

PvP without shadow step

[clever sigil]

it was a question about how raven would be without shadow step(to be exact, how raven would fare in pvp without it)

[knotty kraken]

aah i see

[clever sigil]

To correct myself ( i am wrong, that was Benis that said "Yeh he def can" ) pertaining to raven fighting without shadow step, afaik you did say anything about that.

scuse me for putting words in your mouth. What you did say was "he'd be less likely to catch as easily" and "they would actually have to think"

i wanted to give the attempt a shot going off of the topic.

Yeh, Got to give credit where it's due, Definitely have to think, but not as much as usual.
(inb4 I need more brain power, Gimmie some of yours.)
it is tougher when going against some character strats, but do-able.

@lilac merlin will keep going back to those tips. thanks

[warm hornet]

[dusk dock]

[oblique sundial]

PRopaganda

[warm hornet]

The problem is: if they allow me to get far enough. I know as CE, I won't be, so i'll attempt a skill trade with it.

I'll trade it with me going into SA so I don't get hitstunned

[lilac merlin]

Yeah, that’s basically just the Raven tactic of fighting her. With CE you need to also be aggressive but close, so that messes up the whole avoiding chatter thing. With CE you basically have to play surprise with PR constantly, and DAB too but I feel she’s better catching wise because she lacks SA skills or commands. I know a lot of CEs that’d use summons on Renas, and for them since they gain so much mp that’s just a jackpot

[lilac merlin]

Naurr, I feel like PR is the easiest Rena to beat since she’s so predictable half the time, they all do the same thing, just gotta learn how to combat them. But that’s probably because I mainly play PR 😭

Even with her air commands, ngl all you have to do is either be on a tier lower than her, or just let the PR constantly do it so it wastes their mana, or watch them, because it’s kinda an awkward skill when it’s not angled right

[buoyant folio]

Easiest to beat?!?!!

She can be easy to beat, but also also has some really dumb commands that make her tricky to catch

[lilac merlin]

Yeah no for sure, that’s the part you just have to be wary about

I feel that’s the vibe for most 4th paths tho, having some dumb command that makes them straight out hard to catch, for most of them I just trick them into thinking they abt to get a free catch 😭

[hollow hound]

Hmmm, something tells me they are a DaB if they said that. XD

[mystic elbow]

I feel like AN at the very least is way easier to deal with than PR

[lilac merlin]

When they can pilot good, AN is tricky to deal with

[lilac merlin]

Naur, I switch between AN and PR 😭

[oblique sundial]

Predictable doesn't mean bad

Like yeah it's predictable, but what are you going to do about it lol

This is elsword, the counterplay is on a three minute cooldown

[mystic elbow]

I feel like you could say the same thing about the other Renas

Especially PR n DyB

[warm hornet]

exactly, what can i do about it? you beat CE with cheese? don't expect a simular outcome fighting other characters.

[hollow hound]

Some classes are privileged in pvp. PR is one of them.

[oblique sundial]

Ce? Lost at the character select screen gg go make a laby

[warm hornet]

XD

never! i just have laby for el search party collection

[hollow hound]

Give +11 armors, please.

[clever sigil]

Gib +12 :v

[warm hornet]

is going beyond +13 possible?

[clever sigil]

We must go further beyond.

Make it +14

[empty ore]

Actual answer: No it wont let you

[warm hornet]

alright.

[clever sigil]

this might be ez for most people

but I got to SS without shadowstep(FB)

bout to lose the SS in a few hours

[oblique sundial]

gonna go into arena and farm you by literally not playing the same game as you

[noble pelican]

That balance patch is out now-

Plus reawakening

Excited to see arena later on today

Excited for the chaos

Gotta Love how this was mentioned before showing everyone else’s

[onyx epoch]

rena nerf still a dub

[willow mural]

where are the other character buffs?

[versed knot]

@hollow carbon Are ya online?

[empty ore]

So

Aes buffs are heckin nice

we stack LB now

Metamorphy nerfs

I dont hate them? I feel like a slightly faster base now

Instead of a slippery penguin

And it makes ZZZ feel weird tho

[celest ore]

uh oh, reawak for everyone is out?

[abstract yacht]

yes.

[celest ore]

time to go full RH on some fools

[clever sigil]

Hit.

The.

Quann.

also ay Quann. ya gud?

[celest ore]

chaddest rv player

yee how you been

[abstract yacht]

you spend all your beads on reawk.

RH also consumes all now since they removed the reawk part off his passive given that this is now a default thing

[celest ore]

ah okay

[clever sigil]

still in the middle, but in a groove, cheers to you, one of the giga-chaddest Elesis mains

[celest ore]

🙏 best of luck

[clever sigil]

same.

though Rip power bomb a bit.

Might be akward for Anti-middair usage, since it doesn't have knockup no more.

miiiiight still be good to use tho

[hollow carbon]

Sorry im sick rn I don’t feel like playing rn 😭

[oblique sundial]

wait theyre out already?

[hollow hound]

What do you have? :c

[oblique sundial]

ig im class changing back to aes

[noble pelican]

Nerfs qwq?

Not to my girl!

[hollow carbon]

nothing to crazy just strep throat and a headache

[noble pelican]

Get well soon!

[empty ore]

Yeppers you'll see quite a few more aes's now

[empty ore]

Yeah her movement speed paaive was changed and she lost some damage

[dusk dock]

Me when Add

[oblique sundial]

Can't wait to ruin days with lightning bolt

[noble pelican]

Sad. She feels slower to me now

[versed knot]

Oh didnt realized I sent in pvp chat, stay alive 🙏

[heavy spear]

oh fun, no ara nor cata changes

[oblique sundial]

catas in a good place rn so that makes me happy ngl

[knotty kraken]

anyone want some jelmatis stacks
19 stacks available for the taking

[pallid parcel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxfX6VpQDNnGnTvL2URwgD0eVSekuHA6U9?si=d_8mxMadrqXenB04

Funn't

[oblique sundial]

Honestly don't even make a laby

Just go make an aether sage

Why do anything when you can get rewarded for doing nothing

New character comes out? They're really good at doing things? Too bad they suck at doing nothing

Nobody does nothing like aes

Unpowercreepable

[misty fable]

||I hate Raven|| -_-

[willow mural]

Omg you poor soul 💀

[dusk dock]

oh nah

you were so healthy too

😭

[buoyant folio]

that stupid hop right after seals the deal too

😤🔪 we kill on sight

[abstract yacht]

the vid barely just started

and I see him lagging already

as if fighting RV in itself wasn't enough

[clever sigil]

(FeelsBadBeingARavenMan.)

cause ngl that's actually disrespectful from the RV

[celest ore]

mitsu be like "sorry for rv shenanigans"
my brother in christ you are literally the funnest and fairest rv to play against

thats what most of em do 💀

[clever sigil]

Much love for what ya said

Thing is in pvp, most people don't have nuance. ( in the way of what you expect most players to do in terms of playstyle ) Thus the label is put on 100% of that char base.
One way to break it is to standout as your char. Either by the way you play, the style you got, your influence, or being better than the "optimal playstyle"

btw, happy friday y'all!

[hollow hound]

Ummm, idk but there is a laggy LB on queque.

[abstract yacht]

well, when 10/10 of players ppl encounter about one class do the exact same, then generalization is bound to happen.

can't exactly consider each player individually when all you'll see from every single PR is them running away from you f.e.

[noble pelican]

I respect your mindset. 100% agree

[noble pelican]

Man was on the other side of the map ☠️

[clever sigil]

that's something I agree on , and accepted.

only way I can see something changing is if you dared to touch dmg modifiers in arena, culling a chunk of one's crutch.

[hollow hound]

Ah, yes. Me when DaB.

I need someone to practice pvp in sparr.

[clever sigil]

Right back at you.

(All of my energy and ability goes to the opponents I fight, buffing their confidence and piloting by 25 to 50% based on whose fighting.)

I'd be down for some rounds!

[mystic elbow]

o right

i have internet again

[versed knot]

Hai vs mezo leggo

[heavy spear]

shakti doesnt seem like she has a win condition against aes

[mystic elbow]

u can win

its just

hard

cuz u cant outright nuke her

u have to hold on to your mana and play passive-ish

cuz shakti also has no real oki besides thunder which can be an expensive option in terms of oki

u basically have to do the most boring and optimal

[oblique sundial]

To be entirely fair, most characters don't have real options against aes

Round start and she has two booms tele and a button that makes projectiles useless

[heavy spear]

i didnt know aes lightning bolt can shoot some giant stunning ball

the one i keep losing to always uses it and i can't do anything

[oblique sundial]

It does 4.2k% :D

Don't think you can mb it either

[heavy spear]

nope

i feel like i have more options against, say, dab

[mystic elbow]

u do

kinda

u can pressure dyb way easier than aes

[heavy spear]

if lightning bolt doesnt work, she uses chain lightning

if chain lightning doesnt work, circle of elements

yeah sh can't do anything in this mu

[mystic elbow]

u can try baiting her attacks

[oblique sundial]

if shes good you probably wont succeed

everything is either a boom or a full map button

[abstract yacht]

that only became a thing this week

she just got a passive rework which allows her to upgrade lightning bolt, icicle spear and meteor call under certain conditions

and yeah
lightning bolt do be a stun lock

as if lightning shower wasnt enough

[heavy spear]

i'm winning against this mtm thats playing too aggressive

i commend her for the playstyle but alas that's not what aisha wants

i wish mtm actually had the tools to be aggressive though, i would be interested in playing her if it were

[mystic elbow]

she has more tools than other aisha but thats bout it 😭

oh god she feels so much slower now

[heavy spear]

i noticed that too

it's become easier to predict her

[mystic elbow]

yea hopefully they buff it or smth

her speed is part of what made mtm fun

[warm hornet]

Don't forget why they nerfed her speed. Wait... they don't tell us why...

[noble pelican]

I didn’t invest much into speed sockets ‘cause of her passive, so now the changes make me feel slow too

[mystic elbow]

yeaa it feels better with speed sockets

but still not as fun

[noble pelican]

They made the canon path more exciting but butchered my girl in the process 😭

[noble pelican]

Guess I’m changing some crit/maxi for speed so I can feel fast again-

[mystic elbow]

if u have TW,AN,DyB and DA it could help

in collection

[noble pelican]

I’ll keep that in mind if and when I do collection

[heavy spear]

shakti feels like

i feel like i'm having a slightly worse time in neutral but she can hit almost as hard as cata does

she's not as easy to play, cata feels more solid and straightforward to me but with shak i have to be a little more tricky

[mystic elbow]

im curious what skills r u using

[heavy spear]

am i missing something?

[mystic elbow]

umm thunder in trans slot

[heavy spear]

i havent stacked anything yet but i plan to do exorcism 2

oh, ok

[mystic elbow]

and then you're good

i personally dont use steel body

cuz the skill dont even work

but its prob fine

[heavy spear]

i remember it being janky when i played YR years ago

[mystic elbow]

shakti is a pretty.. jank char

her commands can be iffy

but there's some cool things u can do with it

like if u do >>^ZXX and fall off a ledge the claw stores

[heavy spear]

i feel like i can win trades and clashes easier with sh than with cata

cata has better SA to use in neutral tho

^ZZX just solves all my problems

meanwhile shak >>^ZXX only does so much

[mystic elbow]

SH is a ball of SA yea

[abstract yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1082805921438244995/1181411633201950720/bandicam_2023-12-04_20-43-14-479_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65caca52&is=65b85552&hm=33e7bbfe56ff86333ea3ccfca6c3aee26d8f371f731edf42f07873abaf5c35a8& it's still janky.

literally point blank

misses

🛌

[heavy spear]

[buoyant folio]

Crazy that Genesis mains think they can talk like they're good at the game 😭

Had some weirdo and his friend whisper me, saying "I'm boosted"

Elsword ppl be delulu fr

[empty ore]

Dang what you do to them

[buoyant folio]

Nothing

Losing to them was enough to incite unnecessary salt wheeze

[buoyant folio]

there's nothing but red heads in arena rn oml

it's so annoying lool

Having to work around super armor is such a pain

[empty ore]

Run

Be a cowards

Do what it takes to win

[buoyant folio]

Nah

There's ways around it

and I'm ngl it''s good training

I've been able to react even faster to escapes and SA usages lmao

[oblique sundial]

if its not a genesis you can just circle camp like a pos

its great

[heavy spear]

i just fought a LA

i can see what their win condition is but i feel like i would hate playing as her

she looks like she has to be even more passive than aes

what does she do for damage? does she have a nuke or...?

[empty ore]

Enough mineral is her nuke

[oblique sundial]

la is an example of "idk i guess god just put me here because he likes my vibe"

[heavy spear]

the one i was fighting was just charging near melting point or detecting gem and hoping that i would blunder into them

if that's what she's supposed to do then like. yikes

[glass echo]

Something something did you expect KoG to design characters well?

[abstract yacht]

yes that's quite literally how LA plays

which is stupid

most melee characters don't have much of a way to get into her melting point other than I guess elboys but then that's like 60 mp used on Iron Body only for her to tp away

melting point's CD is off before the previous one even disappears

and by the time melting point disappears she has regained more MP than she used so she can toss it again and still have net gains in MP

[empty ore]

Thats why you gotta scare her. You're luciel it seems throw some >>^ZX's at her so she'll take some hitstun or move

Melting point lasts about 6 secs.

So what i'd to is just wait, count to 5 and go in

[clever sigil]

you available to fight?

or, I'll fight anyone.

[hollow hound]

Finishing raid rn.

[clever sigil]

best of RNG

[hollow hound]

Thxs.

[noble pelican]

That’s LA in a nutshell. Mod Melting point is her saving grace in PVP

[heavy spear]

@clever sigil i think u just fought my shakti

was i lagging? i feel like i was

some of our interactions were weird

[clever sigil]

it was on and off.

but imo you were smooth.

You're "Imog#$e" right?

if so, good clutch man

[heavy spear]

aye

nah it was stupid, i thought you were going to win so i mashed that thunder as some sort of braindead last-ditch effort lol

you deserved that win better than i did

[clever sigil]

a win is a win

you did good, , mind you arena is ruthless, so you gotta do what you gotta do

Keep your head up, you played a fine shakti

[heavy spear]

arena is indeed ruthless, im typing this as a dab is XZing me against a wall while my health is already at 0

[mystic elbow]

did u still need pr practice

[clever sigil]

absofreaking lutely

[clever sigil]

close fight man