pvp

[mystic elbow]

mayb cuz

yer add

[real viper]

Why no one see the CS >>^XZ being broken and cheesy

[mystic elbow]

and he just doesn't have SA options

[real viper]

[mystic elbow]

i think we have like

1

CS

😭

[buoyant folio]

well

[mystic elbow]

no one plays her

[buoyant folio]

I want to say I do but it's a literal split second

[mystic elbow]

it's what happens when u have a lack of playerbase

[warm hornet]

What would happen if they out right removed MP cost reduction as a stat in pvp? (Them buffs would still exist)

[mystic elbow]

ppl forget how broken

[mystic elbow]

we'd run into the issue of

characters having lower cost nukes

in general

like dyb's already high or godtier

if we flat out removed mpr

she's become even worse

cuz she still just awks for mp

[warm hornet]

[mystic elbow]

meanwhile everyone else has to get to 200mp or 300mp

to use theirs

and she uses hers for 120

[buoyant folio]

Lmao

[mystic elbow]

same w/ Shakti rly cuz she can active/tenacity/strength and bravery stack

I clock in like

240k spectre restraints

atm

for 90mp

[real viper]

Split second? That's like a whole 2 sec of S.Ar on mid air, shooting homing
Just feels like it's too easy to cheese melee opponent

[mystic elbow]

oh yea CS can hold it

for a bit

[buoyant folio]

I'm talking about my SA

not yoursss

[real viper]

Nvm

[buoyant folio]

Lmaoo

[real viper]

[mystic elbow]

oh

yea that command isn't rlly

worth

calling an SA command

like it has SA on it obviously but when I think of SA commands

[buoyant folio]

Honestly

[mystic elbow]

i think of like

[oblique sundial]

Ke everything

[mystic elbow]

RV

[buoyant folio]

if they genuinely added an additional frame of SA to that command

[mystic elbow]

😭

KE too

[buoyant folio]

it would be solid

I legit don't feel the super armor working a majority of the time when I do use it

but I think a slight increase would change everything

Also maybe how far it goes too

it's too short

[real viper]

What we talking about again?

[buoyant folio]

MP's super armor command I believe

[mystic elbow]

mpx >>ZXX(?)

command

[buoyant folio]

zxx

I'm ngl

that super armor command felt more useful back then

I can't tell if it's bc of the animation speed up from attack-speed changed

[mystic elbow]

i think it was useful when

[buoyant folio]

or something else

[mystic elbow]

we didn't have laby

😭

[buoyant folio]

ig so

Like there's

been a few minor changes that have changed how I play MP

[oblique sundial]

Everything felt more useful when we didn't have laby

[buoyant folio]

one thing I miss is mid-air skills with phase shift

mostly because of combo potential

[mystic elbow]

true 💀

[buoyant folio]

mid-air awakening

I feel.. like

[oblique sundial]

This game needs actual anti airs but noooo we just get mediocre grounded SA

[buoyant folio]

Should be a thing for MP

Like what's stopping him from awakening in air

there's no

freeze frames

the iframe is insanely short

[mystic elbow]

thank patefaction

💀

[buoyant folio]

Lol

gonna commit warcrimes is2g

[mystic elbow]

i hate that guy

[buoyant folio]

All good things get removed

like I will agree

[mystic elbow]

mpx used to be so cool with that one thing

[buoyant folio]

mid-air skills on MP was crazy broken

But also laby can use mid-air skills too

and she uses a mirror to fight..

Add uses literal flight-related weapons

[mystic elbow]

in this meta i think its fine

[buoyant folio]

but he can't really do good mid-air combat

[mystic elbow]

every char is busted

in sum way

[buoyant folio]

Real

NGL though

Y'know what I hate?

How we're locked in when we >>^xx

why can't we move after.

[mystic elbow]

that's true

[buoyant folio]

Add kicks once in mid-air he freezes

yet add can also triple jump

A bit curious innit bruv

[mystic elbow]

add becomes COMEPLETELY vulnerable after

[buoyant folio]

meanwhile laby can constantly be a hitbox mid-air

and have constant control

bc.. of a mirror

god I hate this

Literally comparing

a mirror

well

a sentient* mirror vs dynamos I can't

[glass echo]

You'll only hurt your head if you try to make sense of a bad game

[buoyant folio]

true

[mystic elbow]

i love elsword

[noble pelican]

If I knew how to abuse MtM’s mod energetic body, I’d use it more 🥹

No SA after a few hits make me sad and think it’s not worth it

[oblique sundial]

Hunting prey only being SA from the front is some funny stuff

[warm hornet]

i remember being crossed up when using that skill and then being caught.

[oblique sundial]

maybe ains are more boring than ravens

or maybe everyone is just lame on purpose?

idk

AYO WAIT THIS ONE TRIED

HOLD ON

IM SO HAPPY

AND IT WAS A REV OF ALL THINGS

[mystic elbow]

💀

[rich quail]

Just gonna leave my two Raven bits here, in that...

1. KDR passives for all (melee) characters got seriously gutted, so it's actively handicapping to use any combo with positive KD values.
2. I'm pretty sure FB is the only Raven with an A.Spd passive? And even his is pretty terrible at only 4% in PvP, so Raven mechanically has less time to squeeze in fancy.

[oblique sundial]

^x is like -50 kd

[rich quail]

My shambling corpse Revenant begs to differ. I'm not making any mistakes doing ZZXX^X drop loops and it somehow KDs in two cycles.

[oblique sundial]

you gotta be fighting an es with spar accs or something if its kding after two

[rich quail]

If only it was exactly that. The loop KDs in 2 or 3 against most opponents.

[mystic elbow]

MutantWraith doesnt ever drop

And hes laggy as hell on top of being Revenant

[oblique sundial]

i bet i can get on my level 88 bm and zzxx infinite someone

not even zzxx ^x

[oblique sundial]

YEAAAAHH LOOK AT HIM GO

[glass echo]

Outclassed + outskilled + L + ratio

Better luck next time

(This is a joke)

[mystic elbow]

he ate u up

[knotty kraken]

arnold throwing -_-

[oblique sundial]

less throwing more sandbagging

a lot more fun than trying tbh

[knotty kraken]

fair

[oblique sundial]

and s rank queue seems more alive

[knotty kraken]

yea ive fought the same 3-4 SS people for the last while

[glass echo]

S rank is always alive, that's just how it'll always be

[knotty kraken]

i got 6 bots too -_-

no fun ones tho

[glass echo]

Dang what bots

[oblique sundial]

the gear filter isnt real

[knotty kraken]

npcs

srry

[glass echo]

Oh those

[knotty kraken]

wrong term lmao

if someones botting pvp thatd be something

[oblique sundial]

who wins

an entire character

or a double jump and two platforms

[hollow hound]

Bruh, idk how to play this game.

[oblique sundial]

avi

[buoyant folio]

avi

[signal wagon]

avi

[hollow hound]

💀

[oblique sundial]

im gonna miss marbas

[buoyant folio]

Marbles

[lavish socket]

who?

[clever sigil]

All due respect, you could've and should've been able to end me at anytime during that fight. You threw.
If im taking the L, then it's all good o/ Let me learn from the struggles.

still, be well, enjoy your night man.

[oblique sundial]

if i wanted to win i would have

if you were the rev though, you looked better than 100% of the people ive seen so far

[buoyant folio]

god fighting Ara feels like a chore

All that super armor, it's crazy

[rich quail]

o that was you

I'm more surprised that Fall to Steel Body kept working.

[buoyant folio]

I'm not

It's a pretty reliable skill

esp. against my class

Unless I got mana I can't do anything.

[rich quail]

Please tell me you've at least invested in some Light / stun resist.

[buoyant folio]

I have it maxed out

• MP has a 40% debuff in it

er debuff reduction

[rich quail]

Gotcha, gotcha.
You should be able to mash out of it, then...resources permitting.

[buoyant folio]

I can't

I recall being able to several years ago but I straight up can't anymore

They did nerf the reduction iirc, so maybe it's not 40% anymore

[rich quail]

Passive: Mind Control: Debuff Duration Reduction has been reduced to 30%.

[buoyant folio]

Yeah thought so

Even then, I feel like that + max light resist would've shorten it

but somehow it doesn't feel like it works

or maybe I just got horrible luck

Anyways I had to log off, I was getting too heated

[rich quail]

Understandable.

[glass echo]

Xiva are you running res shred title?

Cause whenever I steel body someone with full res I'm literally just giving them my combo for free, so I'm surprised Lerne is having issues with it

[rich quail]

On my Shakti, yes, usually I'm running Shadows + MoI.
I was running Eclipse + MoI on my Apsara, though.

And after the Res Shred nerf on the Mark it usually needs the extra boost.

[empty ore]

https://youtu.be/wYhaji98JWQ?feature=shared

[oblique sundial]

whats with s ranks and using reaper

[oblique sundial]

finally

after days of hard work

blood sweat and tears

i have reached my goal

[empty ore]

C rank awakening goat

[glass echo]

It does look nice

[warm hornet]

Were's that rank E?

[clever sigil]

Thats a rookie letter.
Lets see rank F

[glass echo]

SS queue is dead

I hate this rank

[buoyant folio]

I feel like

SS queue is always more alive than S ngl

But also even if SS queue is dead, don't you usually get paired with other ranks when there's no one completely?

Otherwise you get an NPC

[glass echo]

Idk I was getting nobody

[abstract yacht]

remember when NPCs also gave rank so reaching SSS was so easy? :^)

[glass echo]

Loncelot was in queue but then he disappeared

Dang I went from 0% S rank to SS rank in 1 win on my alt

Wth?

[buoyant folio]

Loncelot is.. an odd one LOL

Doesn't he mega everytime he loses or smt

[glass echo]

No idea

[atomic marsh]

This guy I'm fighting in arena

Some Chung

An FP to be exact

[mystic elbow]

…

😭

[atomic marsh]

He's calling me out on me playing FL and that I have too much SA and he can't contest it

As a FP 😭

And that he can't deal with me ledge trapping 😭

[buoyant folio]

That dude

Don't pay attention to him lol

He's done it before when he played DA to me

[atomic marsh]

Meanwhile he has never used his chain SA actives even once 💀

[buoyant folio]

twice in a row.. lol

He would say I spam SA too much and it was the only reason I won

killed him without SA

[buoyant folio]

then a few weeks later he says I rely on gear.. LOL

[atomic marsh]

💀

[buoyant folio]

When he has better stuff than I do

• playing DA

[atomic marsh]

He's reporting me for my number name

[buoyant folio]

and now he's playing FP bc he learned he can't play DA somehow

[atomic marsh]

That's crazy

[buoyant folio]

Eh

I doubt anything would happen

Not unless you have actual reason to be banned for

[atomic marsh]

I don't 💀 He's just down bad

[buoyant folio]

Yeah don't pay attention to him LOL

[atomic marsh]

Yeah

That made my day though

[mystic elbow]

If it makes u feel better numbers

My barcode ara was accused of being a hacker

[atomic marsh]

I think I read that in the past lmao

[mystic elbow]

Just cuz of the name

[atomic marsh]

LMAO

JUST OFF OF THE NAME

[buoyant folio]

S> IGN 234234123412

[atomic marsh]

I'd buy it

[buoyant folio]

I made her

with the intent

to delete her

but they gave away advancement stuff and level scrolls not long after I did

[atomic marsh]

Fair enough

Alright now to PvP on my ES alt

Surely this will go well

[mystic elbow]

Not the old spar gear and Elrianode bot combo

[atomic marsh]

Goes crazy

Just watch

[mystic elbow]

[atomic marsh]

Surprised this server doesn't have any vcs

We could be streaming PvP in here

[mystic elbow]

I thought it used to

A long time ago

@abstract yacht u been here forever

Was vc a thing here before?

[buoyant folio]

No it never did

[atomic marsh]

Crazy

[buoyant folio]

To begin with, it would be too problematic to have calls here

[atomic marsh]

How so?

[buoyant folio]

However I see no issue if they were perma muted

• exclusive to elsword streaming

Well

have you seen the Elsword community? LOL

[mystic elbow]

Think of the elsword community

Then put it in vc

[buoyant folio]

tho

Even if it wasn't the els community

you're not allowed to cuss in here

and like.. most people cuss regularly lol

You would

[atomic marsh]

I think if the most degenerate gacha games can have vcs in their official Discord

Elsword is no exception

[buoyant folio]

unironically need moderators/admins be here permanently

[buoyant folio]

Well that's why they're the most degenerate gacha games

[atomic marsh]

So true

Oh you're a Nikke player

Yeah literally EXACTLY that Discord LMAO

But then again they do have mods everywhere

[fiery lion]

elswordbadgame has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[mystic elbow]

smoked

[atomic marsh]

Unlike this dead as heck xD place

Stupid bot

Know your place

Trash

I couldn't care less

They're as stupid as their rules

[mystic elbow]

i love how "defaming" is in quotations

ily

😭

[buoyant folio]

Die SHoe Key

[atomic marsh]

Man I'm actually winning with my gear

LET'S GO

S rank is within my reach

Shakti running Eclipse?

Easy win 😎

I'm going crazy 😎

Now I can fight the big boys in S rank 😎

Aw it just had to be a CA to put me in the firt 😔

All she did was hit and run too 😩

Oh no it's the FP again

Lmao

He doesn't know

Even though my name is identical

Aiyaa I'm really struggling against him on ES

I only have 476k hp lmao

Anybody wanna do some sparring or something? 🥺

[mystic elbow]

im suffering in berthe sorry

[solid socket]

whats honestly kinda funny about this to me is

its not even 8 digits-

[atomic marsh]

True lmao

[abstract yacht]

never was.
never will.
because that would require a lot more strict supervision that no one is up to
especially with a community like this

[atomic marsh]

Does this server even have any mods

[abstract yacht]

to put an example

Pictures werent allowed b4

and when gm rush turned on the option to test us

it was often abused Rush had to remove the permits again.

until like

the 8th time
that we were in a point of self controlling ourselves like

"DONT ABUSE THE PICTURES SO IT STAYS"

[buoyant folio]

it has mods but

they don't really often supervise here, can't blame them for it either

people got lives

[abstract yacht]

vc however would need a lot more work for ppl to behave

[buoyant folio]

yeah it would require someone to moderate it 24/7

I don't think anyone would do that lmao

[mystic elbow]

vc is diff ig

it isn't school

they can't control you speaking unless they mute

and that would require a moderator to be in every vc channel

[abstract yacht]

besides public VCs are often a chaos cuz is like

40 ppl in a single vc

[mystic elbow]

rather than a bot that can do it for them

[abstract yacht]

who would understand anything

let alone not everyone speaks english mainly LOL

[atomic marsh]

Sounds like they need DIFFERENT MODS

💀

[abstract yacht]

there has been attempts to have new mods

but
hard to find smn who actually would respect the role

over smn tryna abuse its permits

in a sv like this

[buoyant folio]

tbh the only time they supervise is when pinged over hacked spam

Which happens often

people really be clicking on shady links

[atomic marsh]

Man the people in here are just a lost cause

[buoyant folio]

Eh not exactly

[mystic elbow]

they supervise when someone does smth useful like posting a hacker

[knotty kraken]

'dead channel'

why supervise it

[warm hornet]

would you like assistance frome me?

[abstract yacht]

also there iss the fact that we came to a point of self supervising too

[buoyant folio]

Honestly this channel is prolly the most controversial one since it's pvp

[abstract yacht]

after several dramas ppl just auto to the following attitude

smn swears
delete that b4 a mod bonks u, for your sake

[mystic elbow]

no i think im ok

[warm hornet]

alright.

[mystic elbow]

i dropped so im done anyway

[abstract yacht]

so we just

self mod ourselves technically

[knotty kraken]

mee6 is our mod

[mystic elbow]

pvp is a lot more opinionated than anything else in this game

[atomic marsh]

GOT this stupid CA LET'S GOO

[mystic elbow]

so yea ppl are bound to crash

[abstract yacht]

20k msgs btw

[mystic elbow]

clash*

[atomic marsh]

Alright time to go eat some dinner

[mystic elbow]

hf

LF> Hashime

[atomic marsh]

Ping me if any of y'all wanna spar or something later

😎

Hash barely logs don't bother

[mystic elbow]

bruh

[willow mural]

im losing to this guy whose spamming the same command over and over

LOL

[buoyant folio]

sounds like Elsword™️

[willow mural]

its an elboy

this is embarassing

got him

i just have to avoid straight paths

[atomic marsh]

Happens to the best of us

[buoyant folio]

Oh elboy

that dude has some wild game

[hollow hound]

Elboy is wild.

[empty ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1052057958357405728/1172367667919855626/Elsword_KR_iie_ee_i14_e2ei14ei_ei_ii_aa.mov?ex=65600f79&is=654d9a79&hm=8253a5ac86e1934557f4abc183846181d1d10f59323054284991cb9c523f1f6c&
Its joever

[oblique sundial]

LOL

[buoyant folio]

Delete chung immediately.

[mystic elbow]

LOOOL

[abstract yacht]

https://youtu.be/IMhCObEGErg?si=Fmoho4EhYtZNyiJP
the full clip

I do question the FP tho

who carries bullet blitz without ruthless trait

[knotty kraken]

ruthless trait change

[warm hornet]

it's still a good tool to catch people.

[oblique sundial]

nah man bullet blitz should be buffed!

zzzx into bullet blitz into zzzx should do more than half of your hp, its so bad right now!!

[buoyant folio]

bullet blitz is that dumb homing skill from chung right

oh wait there's a video for it

lool

[oblique sundial]

oh and dont forget to throw stun shot inbetween everything there

[buoyant folio]

Queue machine broke

It's been 5 minutes already pls

[mystic elbow]

I gotchu king

[buoyant folio]

are you Inari

[mystic elbow]

no

[buoyant folio]

Oh

They keep

mana breaking

and surprisingly still having a lot of mana to work with

Wonder what their gains are bc it's a bit crazy

I can't even consistently mana break as they do jdkljgfldkgd

[mystic elbow]

sounds like a shakti?

[buoyant folio]

Yea

Does she have some passive??

Lmao wow

killed by a rankless shatki

[mystic elbow]

i told u i gotchu

[buoyant folio]

Dang why is her >^ x so strong and feeding nearly nothing

Dang I cannot fight shatki at all LOL

[mystic elbow]

want me to stop?

[buoyant folio]

Might as well dude

I feel like I'm fighting a troll w that playstyle

I'm just surprised at how hard it was to even fight that

her x's feed little mana

and surprisingly can have low kd if properly pulled off

[mystic elbow]

I meant stop queuing

i won't queue if its annoyying u

[buoyant folio]

Hmm

[mystic elbow]

i haaaaaaaaaate playing on this laptop

[lavish socket]

@buoyant folio tbh I thought u was gonna use maxi at some point...

[mystic elbow]

yo i do NO DMG 😭

[buoyant folio]

I was going to but you killed me insanely fast

Yeah I cannot fight against that LOL

[lavish socket]

dude u have the advantage

[buoyant folio]

how so?

[lavish socket]

I just know how to predict MP

[buoyant folio]

I uh

Kinda have something to say to that

after this fight

[mystic elbow]

oh god the VNs are out

[lavish socket]

dude im only beating you cuz I fought lots of MP dude

if you can outplay me then its really easy

[buoyant folio]

Didn't you like

immediately use a skill

after using an escape skill

[mystic elbow]

does TB not have booms

im pretty sure she does

[buoyant folio]

and immediately after I fell off the platform you used a skill that had nuke range

[mystic elbow]

does Anri mp burn

[buoyant folio]

That took a huge chunk out of my HP

[mystic elbow]

quickly

does she

[buoyant folio]

uhh no

She's p easy

[lavish socket]

so just cuz I know how to play my character means im unfair to play against?

[buoyant folio]

?

don't misread

I was basically saying that you didn't read my playstyle

You just used what was immediately available to you

[lavish socket]

no not really I had nuke ready for a while

[buoyant folio]

I mean

my point still stands

[lavish socket]

and burst grenade

nuke was the better option in that situation

[mystic elbow]

youre right

i might actually have to get a void for this char

cuz

spar weap isnt cutting it anymore

I want to nuke

lerne

im so sorry

[buoyant folio]

Where

in the hell

[mystic elbow]

LOOOOOL

[buoyant folio]

did you get ALL THAT MANA

LOL

THERE'S NO WAY

[mystic elbow]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[buoyant folio]

I BARELY

EVEN HJIT YOU

YOU BARELY

EVEN HIT ME

What the hell sort of passives does Shatki have

that let her do this

[mystic elbow]

none iirc

[buoyant folio]

????????????????????

is this just5 an ara thing LOL

or was I just

[mystic elbow]

i wish i couldve recorded that

[buoyant folio]

straight up

unlucky

[mystic elbow]

nah SH is the only one that rly does that to ppl

but i have a bit of mpr

lightning chain gave me sum mana too

n mana drain

[buoyant folio]

god that's

just insane

Really makes my two MP bars feel non-existent

Like I had them full by the time you finished off those 3 bars

but I was already dead by then.

3 skills*

[mystic elbow]

yea that part about shakti is pretty crazy

[buoyant folio]

Think it's about time I stop arena

going on a losing streak fr

I'm hardly used to fighting Rose

and I never knew Shatki could be so insane lol

[mystic elbow]

Yuh

i just save all my mana n wait for awk tho

if yer done then so am i cuz i only queued so u could get sum matches

[buoyant folio]

yeah I'm done

think I'd rather practice against rose/ara in spar but man

Is there something about her relating with mana breaking or something

cuz the other ara I fought didn't have GoE

yet she had the resources to work with everytime

[mystic elbow]

could be mpr

[buoyant folio]

Possibly

I'm running on 19%

[mystic elbow]

on this alt shakti i only got 20%

but on my main-ish one I have like

28-30

and i usually have a skill to work with

id have to watch the match or fight em myself to know whats happening

[buoyant folio]

Man I really want 35% LOL

I imagine that + GoE and plague would be toxic fr

[mystic elbow]

I had 30% when I was using my other accessories but

i was basically using 300mp skills for 200mp

[buoyant folio]

that sounds juicy

I really don't want to sacrifice speed for MPR but I'm starting to think about it

I love being fast

and yet these new classes be making me feel like a turtle

[mystic elbow]

the easiest way to get it is VoS

[buoyant folio]

Yeah I got VoS

tryna +10 it

It keeps breaking

[mystic elbow]

is it S5?

[buoyant folio]

Nah

[mystic elbow]

4?

[buoyant folio]

I haven't worked towards it yet bc I want +10 first

[mystic elbow]

😭

[buoyant folio]

Uh I'm on S2 rn

[mystic elbow]

I think it's S3 when u get all the mpr from it

which is like 8% but turns into 4(?)

i could be wrong bout that

but it does help

then I usually do 3 mpr sockets and the rest is maxi

u wouldn't rly be sacrificing speed

more like hp

[buoyant folio]

I got like

perfect MPR sockets on my vos rn

with everything else saged on Maxi/Crit and Speeds

[mystic elbow]

how much erp u got

actually i can just check since im watching the match

186

😭

[abstract yacht]

yes she does.

[mystic elbow]

okay so then how would MP have an advantage over TB

[abstract yacht]

https://elwiki.net/w/Photon_Shower/ModA

[buoyant folio]

Honestly

I would be surprised if MP even had an advantage over any Rose class

She has superior range, AoE attacks, etc.

[abstract yacht]

and more mobility.

[buoyant folio]

While I guess if I simply outplayed them I can see how, but that's just sheer skill alone without counting in everything else LOL

yeah more mobility

[mystic elbow]

TB and BlM specifically have easier access to dmg

than Mpx for sure

[buoyant folio]

and yeah I'm lacking p hard

[abstract yacht]

TB: grenade launcher!!!

BlM: so anyway. *XX XX XX XX XX

[buoyant folio]

I've grinded a bit for ERP these past few months but it's not a lot

I cannot stand this game's pve

but I love the pvp

😩

[mystic elbow]

do u want mpr while also having ok stats?

[buoyant folio]

I do

[mystic elbow]

okay

get to 250

[buoyant folio]

I need to work towards getting all of my ESPC tbh

that'll help me a lot

and free some slots up as well

[mystic elbow]

wait nvm 200 is fine

250 is if u want mp +2 as well

which is only like

40mp

😭

[buoyant folio]

Yeah lmao

I honestly need cool down too

there's

certain skills I have

that would benefit sm

[mystic elbow]

requires 300 then

[buoyant folio]

Yeah

outside of my weapon and some accessories

ESPC and 300

is what I need rn

[mystic elbow]

yea your accessories are actually making me want to cry rn

nvm your duelist makes me want to cry more

[buoyant folio]

LMAO

I'm guessing it's the DP cost right?

||also I love moonlight rhapsody don't judge me fr||

[mystic elbow]

yes bro thats making me want to uninstall so i never see it again

[buoyant folio]

LOL

[mystic elbow]

now ill go to sleep and dream about seeing awk duration on a duelist set

[lavish socket]

I have 24% mpr without OS, and with OS I have 32%

[mystic elbow]

omg

[buoyant folio]

OS what

[lavish socket]

Overstirke

[buoyant folio]

You'll be fine

Honestly I'm planning on switching that to MPR eventually

just need to progress through somethings first

[mystic elbow]

"eventually"

[buoyant folio]

Yes

eventually

[mystic elbow]

bye 😭

[buoyant folio]

Wow where r u going

[mystic elbow]

somewhere idek anymore

[buoyant folio]

I mean ignoring that stat aside, I know it's something I need to change LOL

Actually who do you main

[mystic elbow]

Shakti

[buoyant folio]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised

[mystic elbow]

she's my bb

so much so that I created one and geared her up just so I can play her

while my main is apsara rn

so now this alt almost has the gear of my main

[buoyant folio]

Crazy

Wish I could

gaslight myself into thinking PvE was fun

I would be doing so much better in pvp fr

[mystic elbow]

all im missing is MC stage 4 and grandma

uh.. yea

ive farmed

s5 vos

4 times now

💀

[buoyant folio]

You what

Can you do it for me

[mystic elbow]

i would if you'd pay me and it wasn't illegal 😭

[buoyant folio]

LMAO

God I genuiinely

hate this game's pve with a passion

it's why I wish we could progress even more with pvp gear

[mystic elbow]

yea this games pve is

[buoyant folio]

in.. pvp itself

[mystic elbow]

esp exp farming

[buoyant folio]

Like duelist was a start

[mystic elbow]

duelist was a rly good start

[buoyant folio]

and then they stopped

LOL

[mystic elbow]

"thats all yall get"

[buoyant folio]

Yeah it's

so dumb

Where is my Duelist weapon

and unironically

they could make accessories to go with it..

and include things like the magic neck/ring from ereda

cuz let's be real, who actually enjoys ereda

Also is it just me

or have servers been more unstable lately

My connections been pretty stable recently, without any spikes so I find it hard to believe it's on my side

[abstract yacht]

just make a full arena set

[mystic elbow]

my connection is fine

[abstract yacht]

still allow rigo elri void and stuff

but make the full pvp set good that nobody would want to use smth else which would essentially make pvp act like restricted gear

[buoyant folio]

fr

[abstract yacht]

and tada maybe
just maybe we can finally have some actual pvp balance patch

[mystic elbow]

pvp weapon is kinda difficult to implement cuz u dont want to make stuff like

soa and vos completely useless

since ppl work hard on those two

[buoyant folio]

Just make a separate mode for them fr

[mystic elbow]

but u also don't want to run into the same issue

of imbalance with gear n w/e

[abstract yacht]

they are weps for PvE gameplay
thats not making them useless

[buoyant folio]

they were legit working on a sparring only gear mode and never implemented it

[mystic elbow]

they're weapons for both

if im already using vos right

a vos i worked hard on and spent money on

only for them to add a spar weapon that is stronger than my vos

I wouldn't be happy

same w/ soa

[abstract yacht]

realistically not many who pve this hard for stuffs like SoA actually plays PvP
not even in KR, only a small portion does

secondly lets be real the only reason they diddnt make a duel wep was so ppl would still be enforced to pve and waste money enhancing the wep

[buoyant folio]

Honestly

if its terms of damage, they could easily add unique utilities to a duelist weapon

[mystic elbow]

most ppl in pvp rn have worked on their vos/soa

and are using it

[buoyant folio]

make it stand out from PvE

[mystic elbow]

there prob is there's not many who pvp in general

n it doesn't matter the reason

what matters was the effect

it caused me to put time and energy into an item

[buoyant folio]

I mean tbf

[abstract yacht]

VoS isnt even that much of a hardwork these days either since they are downplaying the content to become the next FoJ

[mystic elbow]

to suddenly make that item near worthless in pvp is

[buoyant folio]

You'd still be putting effort into a Duelist weapon

[mystic elbow]

? it is hard work

[abstract yacht]

ofc cuz soon we may have more raids to come

[mystic elbow]

w/o x2 tickets

you're still doing 75 runs of 15-5

and 150 runs of 15-6

[mystic elbow]

u would

which is part of the issue, put all this work into a weapon just to have to redo it

😭

[buoyant folio]

I really don't see much of an issue for it

[abstract yacht]

Tbh outside the fact that theres class privilege never saw an issue with those requirements

and even then
VoS hits good enough without those stages

its likely gonna get nerfed too anyway since gear is also progressing once again
new armor coming soon

[mystic elbow]

yea cuz its smth you'd like doing

[buoyant folio]

Like if we REALLY really want PvP to be better ini terms of balance

You would have to enforce gear separate from both modes

[mystic elbow]

dont get me wrong right

[buoyant folio]

bc in the long-run

[mystic elbow]

i agree with existence of a pvp specific weapon

[buoyant folio]

I think allowing raid weapons to be useable in pvp

[mystic elbow]

im just saying that would be hard to implement w/o pissing ppl off

[buoyant folio]

would make such a horrible gap

[abstract yacht]

and yknow

they said they wanted to make pvp players not have to work on smth they didnt like
just to do what they like
hence the duelist armor

and yet?
where wep? pvp pplayers still enforced to pve regardless

that aint what they promised.

[buoyant folio]

I mean

People are going to be pissed off either way

[abstract yacht]

pissy ppl always happen

the deal is to make the contents actually their own kinds

[mystic elbow]

yea but personally I'd rather ppl who aren't puttin in work be pissed

rather than ppl who are PAYING me

being pissed

[buoyant folio]

I mean

You're going to eventually have to build your wep again lmao

they're never going to end with these raid weapons

Not until the game genuinely shuts down

Which will legit become an issue in PvP

[abstract yacht]

yeah gear is just progressing further

also if we talk on this term ppl should be pissed by the dueelist

nooo I workeed so hard on riggoo just so duelist armor replaces my stuff with better effects

noo I worked in tene so much but turns out its blocked in PvP

I dont see those complains though.

[mystic elbow]

you will yes but what im saying is if we're gonna add a pvp weapon it should be as much as getting to an soa if you want it to have soa dmg

meaning everything that is required into getting soa should be as difficult when upgrading a pvp weapon

n thats if u want to make it as strong as what an soa would be

rigo would be viable if duelist didn't have ppl straight up one shotting

[abstract yacht]

make a duelist wep that has upgraded versions like perki/eltri/henir

through AP costs

👍

there
the grind is there

[mystic elbow]

you should still have to pay for enhancement too sorry

n idk how perki was

[abstract yacht]

yeah enhancement sure

at least its strictly pvp though.

[mystic elbow]

n i say these things cuz I don't believe in buffing literal spar mains

😭

[abstract yacht]

and not force pvp players to grind for pve to do pvp

[buoyant folio]

It's funny that people still use this term

Like what is wrong

with pvp players

wanting to progress

by playing pvp

[mystic elbow]

well

[buoyant folio]

It's not like people pvp to progress in pve man

[mystic elbow]

i say this bc

these ppl

[buoyant folio]

You wouldn't call them dungeon mains attempting to play pvp

LMAO

[mystic elbow]

will sit and complain all day long

[abstract yacht]

fighter pots be like

[buoyant folio]

This community is just

[mystic elbow]

and not do anything

but complain

and no work

[buoyant folio]

Or you're not wrong about the complaining

However they DO put the work into pvp

You just don't see it

[mystic elbow]

barely

as someone who sparred for most of their day

these ppl will find ANYTHING to complain about

"no gear?" ok

[buoyant folio]

Yeah I can agree with that

[mystic elbow]

"no forces?" ok

"no mb"

"no arena acc"

the list goes on and on

[buoyant folio]

I mean

Let's ignore an obvious portion of the playerbase

We're discussing a duelist weapon specifically made for PvP

[mystic elbow]

its annoying and they don't deserve to be as strong as ppl who actually put work in

[buoyant folio]

Which you seem to be against

[mystic elbow]

im not

[buoyant folio]

But you still want PvE weapons in PvP

[abstract yacht]

thatss why I suggested the upgrade grind...? realistically the ppl you mention which mind u are probably the least of worries

[mystic elbow]

Yea, if we have a pvp weapon, pve weapons should still be allowed

[buoyant folio]

Sure

[abstract yacht]

would not even do such grind despite being at the palm of their hand

[buoyant folio]

if the PvP weapon can be stronger than them with enough grinding done

[mystic elbow]

but for the pvp weapon to be as strong as a pve one currently being used

it should take a ridiculous amount

of work

[buoyant folio]

Sure

not against that

[mystic elbow]

like a ridiculous amount

[buoyant folio]

considering how much PvP I do I can see myself getting it

[mystic elbow]

bc i dont believe in buffing ppl who do nothing but complain all day

or try to make stupid force skills

[buoyant folio]

Well they wouldn't be doing anything if they're grinding for it

This is what you want right?

[mystic elbow]

they'll still find a way to complain im sure

i actually want them to quit the game

[buoyant folio]

The stupid part of the playerbase, sure.

[mystic elbow]

BUT SURE THIS IS OK

[abstract yacht]

literally up the AP limit or make an item for upgrade that u need to buy several times

the grind time is up to KoG
but the idea is there

to make it "a hardwork" too

[mystic elbow]

AP limit should be wayyyyyyyy higher

than what it is rn

[abstract yacht]

my point is
they have the option there

timework on it can be set later

[mystic elbow]

it should come +9

i think thats ok

[abstract yacht]

but the idea is there and it can be done

[mystic elbow]

i think like vos/soa

it should have stages 2

[abstract yacht]

its not impossible

and ppl may get angry

but u can make it be as grindy.

[buoyant folio]

getting +100k AP is so easy

I don't get why 100k is the limit

actual 2010 behavior from kog

[abstract yacht]

like
literally can make

u need 50 of this item to upgrade a duel wep to soa lv

btw each item costs 100k AP

if u think thats still little no problem

this is literally just an idea and the cost is readjustable to fit what u deem grindy

but you got a plan there.
to make a duel wep be as strong as soa and actually work without tossing all the pve hardwork into the hands of everyone like a bread and butter

[buoyant folio]

Lmao

I would find grinding for this weapon be fun

which would make it so easy for me

Unlike PvE

🤢

[mystic elbow]

not straight to soa level

[buoyant folio]

braindamaging content

[mystic elbow]

should go up as normal weapons do

foj -> vos -> soa

-> whatever is next after that

[abstract yacht]

ITS A CONCEPT

[mystic elbow]

ik

but there should also be pvp mystics

everything about upgrading this pvp weapon

should be pvp based

[abstract yacht]

yeah? thats the point?

[buoyant folio]

😩 pvp mystics hgnngnng

[mystic elbow]

yes ik thats the point

pvp sage stones as well or at least

bring back sage stones that can be obtained

through pvp

iirc it was 7(?) for SSS rank pvping

per week?

[buoyant folio]

Honestly

they could easily bring in rare items back into pvp

Sages/Fighters/Unique Magic Stones/etc.

Obviously make them insanely expensive

But god

that would make people actually pvp

[knotty kraken]

i just would upgrade it at that point
apple money gone right down the drain

[kindred frost]

bro high level pvp 2s is so annoying man

[kindred frost]

its getting better now but, I hate it when people start typing "lol" and "srsly" like, can you please tell me what im doing wrong

I cant understand what you need from me from "lol"

[noble pelican]

I like the idea of having an upgradeable PVP weapon more rather than stages ‘cause that means more costume options-

Perki, the other raid weap’s, and old Henir weap’s would all look different based on their rarity

Camilla still has the option to upgrade the unobtainable spar weap in her options. Might as well switch that out for upgrading a new spar weap

[mystic elbow]

Sometimes we kinda have to figure out what we did wrong on our own but we can’t see it as we’re playing

Try recording a match where someone does that and rewatch it

Though they can be talkin out their 🍑 it is possible for it to be a learning opportunity after u rewatch it

[mystic elbow]

All the weapons n gear are ugly tho

[buoyant folio]

Honestly it would be cool if KoG made arena costumes (good ones)

[noble pelican]

True-

I agree with Lerne; if the weapons or costumes look good, it could make people more inclined to PVP

[buoyant folio]

It prolly wouldn't be a permanent efffect though

ppl would just arena for it on their main once and that's it

But.. I guess it might push ppl to get free costume for their alt

[noble pelican]

I mean, I wasn’t the biggest fan of the Rose event, but I really wanted that rose crown

[noble pelican]

This was mentioned before, but KOG did have PVP costumes before, and I think there were 2 versions

[buoyant folio]

3* versions

2 from limited events

1 that was around for awhile that they got rid of for some reason

[kindred frost]

I think this time hes just mad cause, dude got caught a million times and auto correcting a sarastic thanks

[noble pelican]

Ah. What I meant was 1 version had stats, and the other was just for show…could be remembering it wrong

I just remember one of the PVP costumes I had gave 0 bonus but other pieces had, like, increase crit

A temporary costume would still be pretty cool. Players still aim for SSS or up to get the temporary chair

[mystic elbow]

Bring back old ranks 🗣️

[kindred frost]

I guess im playing too passive in 2s

[mystic elbow]

Why’s that

[kindred frost]

that and just dont have the mp to save my partner

Cause im not about to rush all willy nilly if I dont have the resources to save

[mystic elbow]

I don’t think you’re supposed to

Cuz that can just end up in u getting caught with em

I was told to not even save if my padna not worth it 😭

[kindred frost]

see thats how I feel

but when they be typing "help" I think im going something wrong

but I cant blame them either cause

I mean im CA its p easy for me to run away and play passive

we just lost to a strategically played double slash

[mystic elbow]

Nah at some point they gotta stop getting caught

[kindred frost]

this TP and KE duo is causing too much tamfoolery fr

[kindred frost]

not the one more game symdrome

[clever sigil]

I want this. Now.

I also want you to put it in the thread that may store potential ideas without the extra clutter: https://discord.com/channels/428264566074638338/1170520859300085900

It not alive..yet, but if there's attention to making this work, while having people come to a shared idea(even if our minds are different) so be it.

Also ye. Does remind me of perkisas. Missed out on it but loved the concept.

[abstract yacht]

I love s2 spar gear

the one with silver blue red coloring and a sunflower for whatever reason

[abstract yacht]

https://youtu.be/bzEkh_OOZAQ?si=E6rB9XuMTjf26cbW

the sheer fact that it has a knockback effect that even sent the IM flying into the rest of the hitbox is just 💀

[mystic elbow]

im so glad im not suffering with this

😭

[hollow hound]

Waos, amazing gameplay.

Nice job balancing the game, Nexon.

[empty ore]

KOG*

Nexon just publishes

[buoyant folio]

I'm ngl

I feel like Nexon probably has some form of power over KoG

[abstract yacht]

they definitely do

I dont think Elsword having a Re:Boot update

right after Maplestory also had a Re:Boot update
was just a "coincidence" or "content steal"
but more so Nexon's doing given they are the owner of Maplestory and the publisher of Els

neither must havee been a coincidence that when maple community rioted on Nexon for having an item with the rate being worse than whaat was said

for then Els to reveal enhancemeent rates

Nexon definitely has power here

[buoyant folio]

Yeah I don't think anyone should be surprised

You could say publisher all you want, but if they really wanted they'd have power over KoG in some form

[celest ore]

kog's situation is interesting

na self published by kr isnt

[abstract yacht]

and EU published by gameforge... eugh, gameforge...

[kindred frost]

When you managed to win one match against an elitist whale and this how they be acting:

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZyIAJtoG3Qc?si=Np-5pvW3oN7wD9Xv

(This isn't a personal call out just meant for laughs cause I'm sure we all be there at one point)

[celest ore]

yeah idk why

maybe kog needs to rely on them for european infrastructure or something?

i know kog bought killer combo years ago so

[hollow hound]

I thought it was backwards.

[abstract yacht]

no
KoG is the developer

and before it was partnered with Nexon

they were with Kill3rCombo

whatever happened
Kill3rCombo was no longer w/ KoG by around..... 2014?? and Nexon came in

[celest ore]

i believe kill3rcombo was a small company that hosted/published elsword for na

i'm pretty sure kog bought them and took over their operations so that na is hosted by themselves

[abstract yacht]

oh nvm the IM diddnt get push by the skill itself

a friend pointed it out to me

FP actually used Aiming shot to toss him into the farther hitboxes to cause collateral dmg

finally, an actual reason to carry Aiming Shot

[oblique sundial]

after years of hard work, i have finally clawed my ways through the ranks

[signal wagon]

gz

[oblique sundial]

time to derank again

[willow mural]

Breh i dont even have the motivation to win 6 matches on my luciels

[empty ore]

I remember hearing about this rumor back around.. 2016
"we think its because kr nexon is trying to recuperate from the financial failure known as sudden attack 2
a bunch of other kr nexon games also got similar content updates where new gear came out that is severely better than every other previous gear
cuz u kno kr mmorpgs with da enhancing life"

This about type void being released

[willow mural]

i hate chung

i hate fp

im gonna miss luciel pvp

i hope they roll it back

[oblique sundial]

luciels are fine

dem is garbage but who cares its dem

[willow mural]

me

that was painful

[oblique sundial]

little did you know that dem is garbage even without the nerfs

[willow mural]

im not even gonna do the guild weekly ima 😭 🔫

i swear everyone gets up faster than i do

[oblique sundial]

the other three will probably kill before they can use a bravery

dem needs 8 braveries to win

lul

[willow mural]

ok no more

cat is still the most fun one

[kindred frost]

So this is another case of a small company with a dream for their game getting bought out by a company and it all going down hill

looks at Konami with silent hill

[knotty kraken]

THE CHAIR IS SAFE ONCE AGAIN >:)

[buoyant folio]

you should derank while fighitng me frfr...

[knotty kraken]

maybe in 10 days

in keepin that chair

[knotty kraken]

selfish whales i know i know

[buoyant folio]

Ooh

can you seeeee

intooooo

my eyesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

[knotty kraken]

its the only thing that slowly stops the ache

[mystic elbow]

[mystic elbow]

r u rdy

[buoyant folio]

Dayum r u watching me in pvp

I just started arena..

[mystic elbow]

no-?

i just finished hw

[buoyant folio]

Wow

gz

god fighting LuCiel is so

difficult on MP

[hollow hound]

DeM.

[buoyant folio]

ye

I'm

surprised the Noah I fought

wasn't relying on the super armor command

in mid-air

Whatever buttons it uses

Cheap and easiest catch ever fr

[hollow hound]

NP.

[buoyant folio]

Wow

Either you're the one fighting against me

or y'know what I'm talking about

Legit struggled when NP's do that

[hollow hound]

I have fought that NP before.

[buoyant folio]

Ah

[hollow hound]

I know we are talking about the same one. 😂

[buoyant folio]

Yeah I guess

[hollow hound]

But yeah, NP is scary in pvp but since almost nobody do pvp with him...