PROVOKE!
#pvp
mystic elbow
celest ore
real
oblique sundial
just juggernaut loop tbh
celest ore
fact
real viper
Erp, synergy gave a tremendous amount of hp so I'm not too surprised seeing that much but still...
celest ore
provoke is actually my favorite skill yeah
oblique sundial
i dont have synergy
mystic elbow
i dont use synergy
celest ore
me on my way to iframe through the biggest bravery you've ever seen with provoke like i'm mgr raiden
real viper
But well, that's what they get as advantage for well prepared and spend time investment
celest ore
i like stepping but the way i do it isnt really affected
i dont really spring step on flat ground its mainly for platforming
celest ore
💀
mystic elbow
he accessed 2nd brain
real viper
Speaking of sonic slash, feels like it's a cheesy skill frb can use
abstract yacht
nah provoke is the truth
celest ore
LOL
oblique sundial
is 28k ap enough to swap to stacking spectral spear
abstract yacht
to these days Im still bothered that Elrian clock had such a good balanced design for what it does
and nothing else is programmed the same way as it was
abstract yacht
to these days Im still bothered that Elrian clock had such a good balanced desig...
they could program some of the trap commands/skills or even Laby's dash to work with the same condition about hitstun as elri does
smh
oblique sundial
just enough
abstract yacht
to be less annoying during neutral but still the same during actual hits
hollow hound
Ahhh yes, I remember that IS who casted Sword Fall but I clocked it and then he resigned.
abstract yacht
Ahhh yes, I remember that IS who casted Sword Fall but I clocked it and then he ...
buoyant folio
I gave in and switched to eclipse
What a cheap title LOL
also there's a lot of ain in pvp rn
mystic elbow
punkkk
oblique sundial
i cant tell if hes meming or not
oblique sundial
ye dudes meming then lmao
buoyant folio
I think he's trying to derank me by going on alts
Nah he's most definitely doing it bc he lost to me on his main LOL
loses nothing if he loses on alts
but gains if by playing like a complete troll, by lowering my %
He's been nonstop mega spamming too and I don't get it
oblique sundial
he didnt change for me :(
celest ore
yeah its big dead
oblique sundial
i really waited 2 minutes for this
buoyant folio
lmao
oblique sundial
spectral spear!
lavish socket
@buoyant folio im sorry lerne the queue is dead so you keep getting me...
buoyant folio
all g 
lavish socket
nah lerne u scaring me with that unmodded maximum strike
buoyant folio
On the road to deranking 
lavish socket
LMAO
fiery lionBOT
pyro3119 has been warned
lavish socket
the single Z command im dying man
hollow hound
lost to an S rank Ain 🤢
I thought he was SS.
oblique sundial
i may have deranked him
probably not though
why are the only people in queue two shaktis and a genesis with dial up
empty ore
@lavish socket I must say, you got stronger.
oblique sundial
das me!
oblique sundial
its a miracle
mystic elbow
wow arnolds so cool
oblique sundial
ikr
abstract yacht
it bothers me the fact that the shadow is not just statically glitched
it's slowly rotating until he casted soul extortion
oblique sundial
damn you can get some crazy range by sliding
im on ultrawide too so this would be hella off screen
warm hornet
damn you can get some crazy range by sliding
that's what i do with fayner.
noble pelican
Cha Cha real smooth
warm hornet
damn you can get some crazy range by sliding
it is a good way to spook someone/ vibe chack.
noble pelican
It’s a cool technique!
noble pelican
im on ultrawide too so this would be hella off screen
Ultrawide sounds like fun
celest ore
ultrawide is hilarious
i dont often play elsword in fullscreen but when i do it gets toxic
oblique sundial
its just depressing that a bq can click 2 buttons to accomplish the same thing and not have to do some weird half frame input
kindred frost
Does anyone have tips on how to deal with high tier MPs?
I feel like it may be mostly a gear issue but I do so much mind gaming and catching and then they whip out the maxi I die
versed knot
Usually I try to keep an eye out for when maxi is coming. You used a burst skill but didnt kill = they have maxi. They havent used their DP for a while = they have maxi. You got stuck in a combo for a while = they have maxi. Etc etc, depends on how you deal with MP overall
And if they do have maxi out, they'll try to hit you with something for maxi to track. You can either avoid interacting or bait by getting hit while in super armor
empty ore
Does anyone have tips on how to deal with high tier MPs?
I feel like it may be ...
Oh you're the one who made that post
So you're Antithese right, in this case let me see
warm hornet
if you have a tool or a way to bait out void field, you're golden.
it covers nearly 2 platforms high and lots of ground.
glass echo
You're CA? Just turn off your brain and engage
Works everytime
Or just engage and then bait them with jet jump or whatever it's called
oblique sundial
not the s rank ain with dial up 😭
queue dead
why does stomp just randomly hit for 50k sometimes
buoyant folio
bc why not!
Also if you play CA there's a thousand ways to counter MP, however in your case it definitely sounds like lacking in gear. Or maybe you're fighting people who have some really end-game stuff bc CA has everything to put MP to sleep quickly
kindred frost
So you're Antithese right, in this case let me see
Yes
kindred frost
it covers nearly 2 platforms high and lots of ground.
It really does its insane. Mod slap kinda works but feels situational. I may have to just practice it though
kindred frost
Also if you play CA there's a thousand ways to counter MP, however in your case ...
That may be it. It was really a star rank names Master kicking my butt. My gear is pretty dated.
What's the meta gear and stats for pvp atm? I been pondering on replacing crit for more dmg reduction
buoyant folio
Oh yeah that guy
Is 1000% gear carried in PvP
Your best bet winning against him is either completely outplaying him, or having same or better gear
the moment he has Maxi on you're dead
as for countering void field
as broken as it may seem, it's also quite buggy at the same time
kindred frost
True
Man it is so frustrating when you lose to gear, but hey it's a gear eat gear world
buoyant folio
- use any skill that can hitstun
- You can IMMEDIATELY hop out of it, if you're fast enough
- Skills can push it, certain skills can push said character out of the hitboxes in certain scenarios
Also Obene if you have it can get you out easily if the first two don't work well
Oh I forgot to mention, you can also just use skills that outlast the void field duration
kindred frost
Sometimes slap knocks him out, I feel like I'd need someone to help me practice
buoyant folio
as for the hitbox being crazy, it has an enhancement that increases range by 20% which for some reason isn't covered visually
kindred frost
as for the hitbox being crazy, it has an enhancement that increases range by 20%...
That is so bobo
I'm guessing it expands vertically?
buoyant folio
It expands it horizontally and vertically
kindred frost
Alright, that's good to know
Ty for the help, knowledge is powerrrrr
Do you play mp?
buoyant folio
Ye
Master has full +11 so that'll explain why he easily destroys you
and various other perfected accessories that assists him in pvp
as for his erp idk
kindred frost
Do you wanna sometome spar with me so I can practice countering field?
buoyant folio
Sometime? Sure
kindred frost
Tysm!!
buoyant folio
I go by the same name in-game so it should be easy to find me
kindred frost
Master has full +11 so that'll explain why he easily destroys you
Man's literally suited up before heading to arena
buoyant folio
Yeah basically
kindred frost
He said lemme get the Thanos glove
buoyant folio
but tbh as CA you should have an easier time perfecting him than I can LOL
bc if I void field
he can just void field after mine
and his will outlast mine
willow mural
i just got clapped by a dia
buoyant folio
and then he could maxi strike and kill me
willow mural
the ciel was hot so ill somewhat give them a pass
buoyant folio
Ben pls....
kindred frost
I've been playing a lot better, I used to feel sk frustrated
kindred frost
Cause people were like "CA is so easy why are you struggling" and I'd be like "IDK IM TRYING 
"
buoyant folio
Honestly, I would want to suggest cheesing with CA
but uh
I don't think that would be fun for you to play LOL
Bc CA's cheesing is just running and relying on lingering command/sklls
until someone just jumps into it bc that's clearly inevitable
- core spam
and like I won't lie I think
Eve's one of the characters that is built to counter someone like Add
or.. generally anyone without long super armor?
kindred frost
Eve's one of the characters that is built to counter someone like Add
The lore confirmed
That's why I had a hard time
buoyant folio
I think the only exception is OM
willow mural
patpat
kindred frost
See I come from thr season two days
willow mural
youll get better with time 
buoyant folio
OM has a iron body skill 
kindred frost
Playing like that was considered dishonorable
So I had to adjust
That and I'm too aggressive
But I got better at that too
buoyant folio
I am also too aggressive lool
buoyant folio
I have no patience for ppl who run or rely on lingering skills to attack
it just makes me salty for no reason
kindred frost
Infeel that thought that's why I don't like fighting aisha
kindred frost
Especially when they be lagging like REALLT
warm hornet
if you have mp sustain or good ranged attack, you can presure ashia.
kindred frost
"Lightning shower!"
kindred frost
if you have mp sustain or good ranged attack, you can presure ashia.
Hey ays I fought you a few times ggswp
warm hornet
ggs
kindred frost
I feel like I've been playing better. Stress really messes up your brain
kindred frost
It really can
buoyant folio
and try to rush things
willow mural
someone fund me giants
warm hornet
i play pvp knowing i'm going to lose.
willow mural
i play pvp cuz im a masochist
kindred frost
I think I just like the adhd fix
warm hornet
so i build my gear to have a comback gimmick.
kindred frost
I try to just not take it personally
willow mural
same
warm hornet
the lower hp i get, the stronger i get and harder to kill.
willow mural
i cant whisper anyone salt im too goody twoshoes for that
willow mural
i might flag though
buoyant folio
Ben
kindred frost
I was dumb back then, I let people control my emotions
willow mural
1v1 me rn punk 😈
kindred frost
I try not to do anything
buoyant folio
I won't lie
buoyant folio
I sometimes flag people I think that rely too much on cheesing or garbage tactics to win
I've got little to no respect for players like that
bc it feels like
their whole playstyle works on disrespecting you constantly
kindred frost
Yeah I feel that
kindred frost
And when you beat em it's like git gud
willow mural
that didnt load at all
kindred frost
Learn to play for real
buoyant folio
I beat this one
MP
almost 10 times in a row
he later complained about me lagging
willow mural
why would discord let me send a blank image
willow mural
there we go
buoyant folio
"Heh I only started playing him for 2 months"
kindred frost
I feel like elsword is definitely something you gotta have like
kindred frost
You gotta take in dosages
buoyant folio
and they were being so salty towards add mains
"I was just simply behaving like adds do, and whispered you"
this community is crazy
kindred frost
IT IS
willow mural
if my channel didnt get taken down i wouldve shown u this one salty critter
kindred frost
Gonna get back to work guys ty for the convo
warm hornet
lavish socket
Honestly if I see an MP with maxi imma pin him down with lancer and pampero booster
lavish socket
@willow mural hi benis
willow mural
hiiiiiiii
anytime u cast pampero i know its over 😔
watch out when the guy who can freeze busts it out...
this chung is gonna come for my buns 💀
mystic elbow
That and I'm too aggressive
Playing passive works pretty well against any add especially on CA
They kinda have to play into you because they’re not gonna want you to heal/mp clock
warm hornet
the problem for me is that my pressure is not that threating compared to other characters.
buoyant folio
What if I threatened you with burger n fries 
warm hornet
sure i can maybe clock in hp, but i will be less of a threat without mana.
mystic elbow
Clocking in HP can be just as pressuring depending on how you play it
There was a CE who was annoyingly good at clocking and being passive
Its just that to clock HP I feel like you’d need to be well into having the MP lead as well
Which can be hard for CE bc she feeds quite a bit
That CE however used fire attribute and just did XXX in a corner 😭
But theres also the infinite Noir showed a while back that can probably be used for it
warm hornet
CE has infinites, they're are just lag sesnitive and hard to pull off.
or just loop xx>x twice with tesla swing and repeat.
it'll last pretty long, but not an infinite.
mystic elbow
Thats good enough
warm hornet
but that's boring, so...
warm hornet
mana break exits, i'd wanna see if people can be fancy.
kindred frost
I really feel like they kinda just forgot about the other eves when ca came out
warm hornet
oh i bet they did, until people screamed about it enough.
mystic elbow
I does exist :) cept most characters have dirt easy oki’s and booms
So it might as well not exist!
mystic elbow
I really feel like they kinda just forgot about the other eves when ca came out
Yea everyone forgot how stupid CU is
And now CE is stupid too
warm hornet
for the CE match up, just win neutral and she'll be on your knees.
mystic elbow
Thats just 1s in general
Win first two interactions can you can steamroll the rest of the match
kindred frost
Yeah fr back then cu was the best eve for pbp
warm hornet
what i'm saying is that she's the worst in neutral compaired to the rest of the characters.
kindred frost
It's crazy I remember when CBS was infuriatingly busted
mystic elbow
She is definitely not the worst neutral
warm hornet
but i bet in hell she's down there at least..
mystic elbow
No, she’s probably not
warm hornet
fine, enlighten me.
mystic elbow
She can beat legit every Add in neutral
RM neutral
Not Aisha because it’s Aisha and she skips neutral
maybe AN depending on how the AN plays it
warm hornet
base add can out range a CE
mystic elbow
Is neutral just outranging to you?
warm hornet
nahh.
mystic elbow
Then that info means almost nothing
warm hornet
RM has stoic
mystic elbow
Does Ce just
Not have movement
Or hyper accel
As a button?
Neutral isnt just being able to trade
mystic elbow
She legit has the base skill and her esc skill is perfectly fine
warm hornet
easier to pin in disadvantage after losing neutral.
people would just active trade photon flash with an SA attack.
and CE would get caught right after.
not like i have a dash skill that let's me go yards awaya from were i casted it.
or a actual threat bubble that actually stops people.
:v
oblique sundial
oberon stops me pretty well
mystic elbow
Threat bubble? Oberon Guard???
warm hornet
i can't cassually use oberon guard while ya'll jumping if i don't have core/awakening
oblique sundial
thats not a hard resource to get
oblique sundial
rof starts you off with half a bead 30% awk charge for free is insane
mystic elbow
Whats kinda funny is u dont even need to interact with ppl
U can legit
Run around
Til oberon guard
Similar to what Surya can do but hers is homing therefore better
warm hornet
imagine me summon to get an extra 0.1 mp per second.
willow mural
that ciel had great fashion i cant get mad
warm hornet
CE get's more mp if she summons.
mystic elbow
CE doesnt even use summons cuz theyre butt
If she had a way to get rid of them that didnt cost 300 mp
It would be way better
Legit just give her NLs summon system
warm hornet
everyone can get mp from attack/attacked. but others can get mp for just stand still or thorwing some actives.
mystic elbow
Everyone gains mp from existing
oblique sundial
god i hate elboy
willow mural
nerf rena gaining mp upon awakening 🗣️
mystic elbow
^^^^^^^^
warm hornet
imagine.
warm hornet
that's a free strength skill for people that build meta.
mystic elbow
It is
It actually just gives every rena their nuke
DyB gets Wind Blast off it
AN gets low kick
TW gets fatality
And PR gets Chatter
Imagine having
Rena at 0 mp
And she awks and reversals u off it
willow mural
“Its only 75 mp”
casually leaves out the 28% mpr they have 🤣
oblique sundial
And she awks and reversals u off it
mad paradox :D
mystic elbow
💀
mystic elbow
mad paradox :D
MAD PARADOX
oblique sundial
god i hate mpx
mystic elbow
casually leaves out the 28% mpr they have 🤣
PR has internalized MPR too
oblique sundial
"hes so bad though!!!!" breaks with zero mp and uses three braveries
mystic elbow
Fr 😭
warm hornet
imagine having "sub-resources"
oblique sundial
this dude just straight up doesnt take hitstun ig
mystic elbow
I could pvp rn 😒
willow mural
everyone has their little gimmick
warm hornet
^
oblique sundial
like he just
warm hornet
CE's gimmick is that she can chain SA ("V" action skill) during black hole effects as long as she's still grounded.
mystic elbow
Yes the character downplay
oblique sundial
like multiple times too
mystic elbow
Is very annoying.
oblique sundial
fun!
warm hornet
and groggy acts funny to her "v" SA
i can out last a few black hole skills, but not all.
like wind wall for example.
mystic elbow
Spectral Spear and Shadow Bolt
warm hornet
quick question about marbas death sentence. does it proc elements?
mystic elbow
buoyant folio
My only issue with mp is how buggy he is
oblique sundial
Spectral Spear and Shadow Bolt
do nukes count as gimmicks
mystic elbow
Which is funny cuz anytime ive heard a mpx player complain about mpx
versed knot
quick question about marbas death sentence. does it proc elements?
Naw
mystic elbow
do nukes count as gimmicks
Of course they do
mystic elbow
Which is funny cuz anytime ive heard a mpx player complain about mpx
Its bc “he does no dmg”
versed knot
"He has no free catch"
mystic elbow
"He has no free catch"
💀💀💀💀
willow mural
i won because he jumped at the wrong time but still
mystic elbow
Crazy I can probably guess who youre fighting
oblique sundial
doenst maximum strike do like 5k%
versed knot
It sure be doing 150k per orb
warm hornet
it can do 4,916% in total.
oblique sundial
still cringe becuase he can just use it on wakeup lul
warm hornet
nah, it's just void field.
oblique sundial
mpx is bad because mpx players say hes bad, i cant think of any other reason
poorly designed character that shouldnt exist
warm hornet
he get's knock down, no choice but give a free get-up because i can't contest that. (void field)
versed knot
What kinda s ranker mindset said mpx is bad
mystic elbow
U fought one earlier Larry ..
versed knot
You so right, my mind was quick to delete him
warm hornet
weren't we arguing in a concept of an mildly even playing field?
willow mural
there will be no even playing field in this game
mystic elbow
I think the only char that can contest void field safely is like
FP isnt it?
AD might with her stun
oblique sundial
marbas!
mystic elbow
Bruh
warm hornet
once your in void field, you can't really do anything unless you just out last it with SA.
can't cast/attack. even after the hit stuns are done.
mystic elbow
FP/AD probably can with their stuns
willow mural
i just mana break those
warm hornet
there's specific duration were you are still not allowed to act.
versed knot
Naw you cant be stunned while doing void field
willow mural
if even a pixel of my being is in that field im stuck 
oblique sundial
just play dia and petrify him from a mile away
warm hornet
Naw you cant be stunned while doing void field
you don't get stunned, you're just not allowed to do anything and not move.
versed knot
Basically
mystic elbow
Naw you cant be stunned while doing void field
Ya u can
versed knot
Nuh uh
mystic elbow
I promise u!
versed knot
I'm telling mom
mystic elbow
just play dia and petrify him from a mile away
Forgot about that too
warm hornet
the field still be working even if you got kicked off of the skill.
oblique sundial
youll poop on me
versed knot
I hear arnold likes to play vs rose
oblique sundial
if you play ca im getting hte notepad file
willow mural
when we removing labys >> hit stunm
warm hornet
what if...
willow mural
we were talking about balancing in elsword general yesterday
labys entire movement is the disease
warm hornet
what if that make it knock you down instead of briefly knocking you up. for labbys air >>
mystic elbow
Or just give her movement mp cost
Same with GS actually
GS can clock mp bc his movement costs no mp
versed knot
I promise u!
I'm today's year old when I fould out you can stun add while he's doing void field
willow mural
yeah that too
versed knot
Had to go look up in wiki
oblique sundial
they should cut rose run range down to like a third of whatever it is
just because
versed knot
Nerf all rose tbh
warm hornet
run range?
oblique sundial
just remove PO
mystic elbow
Had to go look up in wiki
versed knot
Ayo ma'am put the glock down
versed knot
just remove PO
Now that's something I can agree with
mystic elbow
Oh wait MtM can get out of void field too
warm hornet
tell me how?
mystic elbow
Mod Energetic Body -> Mod Impact Hammer -> Energy Ring
mystic elbow
No
oblique sundial
damn
ah no i misread, theres a balance patch announcement coming up
wow
crazy
warm hornet
so MTM can act during void field because energetic body?
oblique sundial
wonder if theyll buff catastrophe
mystic elbow
If we say that MPx got up and used void field
versed knot
Skills will be nerfed or buffed by x%!!
mystic elbow
If she used Energetic Body before
Yes she can
But its dependent on how far she is from Add when he uses it
If shes close to him then yes she can get out bc Impact Hammer will stun him out
FP can get out by using Mod Trickshot -> Stun shot
oblique sundial
is fp ever in a position to actually get void fielded though
warm hornet
is fp ever in a position to actually get void fielded though
never.(kinda)
mystic elbow
Some FPs are pretty aggressive with it
warm hornet
XD
willow mural
bruh
i will give him this
i did lag
but when i did i sat in the corner and gave him the win
dudes just mad i didnt let him camp for mana
willow mural
after that match i plugged into ethernet so i wouldnt lag
oblique sundial
wonder who this was 
willow mural
so im definitely not lagging 💀
oblique sundial
theres only like two people in SS queue rn
one of them are an add
the other is a ke
mystic elbow
OM?
warm hornet
i'm not queue because my wifi is in bad hours right now.
as in, internet congestion.
the kids are back from school.
and eating up the internet.
willow mural
yeah youre probably thinking of the same guy lmao
oblique sundial
id queue but i really dont want to play inno into ke and adds
mystic elbow
but u need ap
oblique sundial
definitely
mystic elbow
🤝
oblique sundial
totally not gonna play cata again
mystic elbow
mystic elbow
yeah youre probably thinking of the same guy lmao
also that guy switched to OM off DB and is now hardstuck himself
😭
mystic elbow
punk is crazy
willow mural
my bloodlust has been satiated
oblique sundial
people care enough about rank in this game to say stuff like hardstuck
actually funny
mystic elbow
I find it funny when ppl say that to me on alts
like if I'm on a S-SS rank alt and get "hardstuck SS" as an insult
versed knot
"Wait until I get on my DA"
empty ore
labys entire movement is the disease
Shes an unfortunate plague
abstract yacht
considering all kinds of hitboxes nowadays I dont feel Laby's hitboxes any more jarring than other classes besides her lingering >>^X (we dont speak of TP)
her mid air dash can easily get an elrian clock treatment and it'd be fair
but we all know they aint gonna do anything to it wheeze
kindred frost
She can beat legit every Add in neutral
I played CE before
It's hard man.
kindred frost
"Wait until I get on my DA"
Bro DA is busted man
Divine stigma
At least I think that's what it's called
mystic elbow
I played CE before
It's hard man.
ive played CE too
the hardest thing about her is managing kd
and even that can be done w/ practice
this isnt like
OM tier character
or OP tier character
CE can function fine
warm hornet
i'd say the hard thing for CE is engaging the enemy.
kindred frost
I think for CE their main loop is eve xdrop right?
warm hornet
CE is more of a counter engage character.
kindred frost
I'd say I agree, even has always been a passive player
warm hornet
becasue it's hard to catch people as CE for what she has for tools.
kindred frost
CA broke the mold with that kinda
mystic elbow
it wasnt that hard to catch ppl
unless it was
oops
I was actually gonna gear up my CE
til I saw her erp
kindred frost
Cassian what rank are you if I may ask?
mystic elbow
normally SSS on characters I play
kindred frost
I think AYD is sss-ss
mystic elbow
AYS is SS
warm hornet
i'm hardstuck double S
i'm run with a +10 FOJ
with double attack and wind element.
and 18% crit rate.
abstract yacht
Divine stigma
yep good luck dodging that because even if you iframe it perfectly
not only is the hitscan huge but the hitscan also lingers
mystic elbow
this is my CEs erp at the moment so
gonna take a bit before I can actually
do smth w/ her
w/o wanting to bang my head into the wall
also
mystic elbow
considering all kinds of hitboxes nowadays I dont feel Laby's hitboxes any more ...
her hitboxes are definitely jarring when it's all four paths
her hitboxes is at base kind of issue
doesn't matter what skills u nerf on the paths itself, she's still gonna have ridiculous hitboxes unless they change tht at base
with other characters is a class issue
rather than the character itself
kindred frost
yep good luck dodging that because even if you iframe it perfectly
not only is ...
Bro why they making skills that hit hard and have so much REACH
There should be like a ratio of reach to dmg
mystic elbow
i agri-
kindred frost
Like remember when CNs spear did less dmg tje father it went
Bring that back for everyone bro this is out of control
kindred frost
I really would like to be a fly on the wall for these kog meetings man
Iike do they just laughing manically
mystic elbow
m'sure in kog meetings as they're discussing what broken mechanic/skill they want to add to the game
if someone asks 'wouldn't that be broken?'
or anything along it
they're instantly fired
💀
kindred frost
True
abstract yacht
reminder they admitted they dont test the game and use KR as the rat labs
different wording but essentially said that.
willow mural
if someone asks 'wouldn't that be broken?'
mystic elbow
EXACTLY
abstract yacht
what
rich quail
I'm pretty sure it's just for the comic / meme format.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254047768354619393/689579212059050116/a5R3VWo_460s.png
willow mural
the zoom meeting 💀
oblique sundial
Hey now they clearly put some thought into dem
Infinite resources balanced by a complete lack of damage
willow mural
pvpon luciel is so annoying cuz im not that good with them
this elboy 😡
just checked my gear
crimson gear
soul crown
im so dumb
buoyant folio
Woah I see a lot of mpx trash talk in here LOL
I mean genuinely each class/character has their own broken gimmick, but of all things you guys chose it's void field 
and I already gave 4 ways to counter it to someone in here earlier
willow mural
dont worry lerne everyone gets annoyed at a character
ppl were just fighting the same mpx
oblique sundial
it is on record that i hate mpx for being mpx not because of any specific player
buoyant folio
Lmao
abstract yacht
I think void field is just the fact that it nails you down and your only way to dodge it is basically predict it
cuz once nailed it disables you from action as if you were being pulled by a blackhole effect
hold skills stop holding even if u still got ur finger on it when void hits you (totally didnt experience it first hand multiple times when contesting it with FP's rapid cannon)
buoyant folio
I think you would like the four suggested actions you can take then
there's prolly more
buoyant folio
Oh I forgot to mention, you can also just use skills that outlast the void field...
a
Several ways to do so
abstract yacht
the "hop out of it" is just essentially predict it
you're not getting out of it if it lands a hit which is basically the moment it gets casted
and its a special so delay applies
you'd have to bait it out by going in and instantly following with a dash skill before he taps it
buoyant folio
Well I didn't say that it wasn't predicting it
Still it can't be denied that the skills can easily be counterable
As to compared something like Chung where he can also place down lingering skills and not be forced in said area
abstract yacht
and genuine question what skill outlasts it? holding skills are a no cuz I said the skill just disables you from them as if you were in a blackhole effect
buoyant folio
Good amount of skills
I've fought a number of people in arena/spar that would outlast void field
and I'm not talking about holding skills
Simply skills that take awhile to cast
abstract yacht
isnt void field like
5s on full hold?
Ig some that'd outlast that is Oberon Guard f.e.
willow mural
nerf bullet blitz i hate that stupid skill 🗣️
abstract yacht
but also it was on CA context so uhhh no oberon guard
abstract yacht
as of rn I cant think of a skill that lasts longer than 5s on CA
I mean unless for some reason u have trojan on PvP LOL
buoyant folio
tbf
Most of the time if you're playing CA
you won't be in close range
Shouldn't be anyways
empty ore
Its funny, I only really see void field as a problem unless its being mashed on me.
buoyant folio
I mean I won't deny void field isn't a problem
empty ore
I can see it being a problem for CA with >>ZX straight into it
buoyant folio
but saying it's completely broken with no ways to counter is is wild
buoyant folio
ye
empty ore
You dont wanna be on the ground alot anyways
abstract yacht
for me the only thing I hate most of Void field is like
its horrendous invisible initial hitbox
kindred frost
reminder they admitted they dont test the game and use KR as the rat labs
diffe...
Amazing.
empty ore
Yeah but if that happens you just press mind photograph
buoyant folio
Yeah I complained before that it doesn't show a proper visual
mystic elbow
I kinda been in that situation
Mind photograph -> jet jump
buoyant folio
counting for that 20% i increase in range
kindred frost
Does void field hold you in the air?
mystic elbow
Yes
buoyant folio
ye
mystic elbow
It can
abstract yacht
if u get hit by the consecutive hits mid air yes
buoyant folio
though you can easily
empty ore
The initial cast hitbox is like right above Add's head
kindred frost
Ah okay
buoyant folio
counter that by mashing skill when you land on the ground
abstract yacht
the initial hit doesnt snare
successive hits do
and if u get hit a 2nd time as you're falling you get stuck mid air
kindred frost
Idk it all happens so fast but I definitely minded out of it
But sometimes I cant
I also mod slapped him out of field
buoyant folio
lmao
mystic elbow
Mod slap works too
empty ore
Make sure you do that with core tho
empty ore
Stun reduction passive means he could mash on you again
mystic elbow
With 500 res they can just ^
abstract yacht
gets stunned
MP has stun resistance + light resistance
good luck
kindred frost
Off topic but bro i hate my new work director she is literally satab
abstract yacht
MP had stun resist right? I remember he had some resistance to a harmful effect
buoyant folio
yeah he does
mystic elbow
Off topic but bro i hate my new work director she is literally satab
Tell her to 1v1 u berthe raid
empty ore
Sounds like its time to learn about malicious compliance
abstract yacht
my favorite thing about stuns is getting stunned by a special active mid-super armor and when the person hits me while the skill's delay is still active
once said delay is gone I can walk away as if nothing happened
abstract yacht
I once was using FP's rapid cannon
the Aps used suppression
and awk
hit me with a ZZZ
but when the awk delay was gone I had no hitstun I just instantly stun shot her
mystic elbow
I once was using FP's rapid cannon
the Aps used suppression
and awk
hit me with ...
They deserved it for taking suppression
abstract yacht
its as if because of the delay
the stun cannot cancel your action since you're "frozen" and if the stun is gone before the delay
instead of being on stun animation you just reset to idle
mystic elbow
It does stun
empty ore
mk
abstract yacht
suppressions stun
abstract yacht
initial release they had heavy stun
too broken got turned to normal stun
empty ore
Dont remind me of powerstun
abstract yacht
empty ore
The most broken stun in the game.
Now only laby has it in her weird variant
Well actually, thats not true
abstract yacht
nah Groggy stun is dumber cuz it doesnt just stun it also pauses hitstun durations
so once the groggy disappear your hitstun REMAINS
mystic elbow
All the labys coming to tell u groggy isnt power stun
abstract yacht
groggy isnt power stun cuz its actually worse :^)
abstract yacht
so once the groggy disappear your hitstun REMAINS
it has an extra trait to it power stun doesnt have
empty ore
mhm
kindred frost
Tell her to 1v1 u berthe raid
Man I'm about to ask her to 1v1 me in the parking lot
kindred frost
Sounds like its time to learn about malicious compliance
I'm ready sensei.
abstract yacht
how do u guys differentiate power stuns that disappear on hit like a normal stun from power stuns that dont?
f.e. the power stun from RH's HA can be removed on hit
FP's HA doesnt no matter how much u hit
I always called them heavy stun (has power stun icon, disappears on hit)
and power stun (has power stun icon, remains on hit)
empty ore
Its all the same, just coded differently.
kindred frost
I think I called it just power Stun and normal stun
Power Stun isn't mitigated by light res right?
abstract yacht
no
Normal stun = mitigable by light res, sets you into stunned motion
power stun = not resistible, sets you into stunned motion
groggy stun = not resistible, pauses any hitstun motion you were having and resumes it once the stun is gone
abstract yacht
only Laby has it
kindred frost
Ofc she would
abstract yacht
btw EtW has 3 not including her base skill which would make it 4 (5 if we account awk button)
they all are tenacities too
abstract yacht
***btw EtW has 3 not including her base skill which would make it 4 (5 if we acc...
🗿
Besides base skill and awk button, RaS only has 1 other skill with groggy
but with the power of her reset gimmick
she can also do a dumb groggy chain
https://clips.twitch.tv/SleepyFreezingSandpiperMikeHogu-iVY9qIMhPtlSSGju
(clip shared to me from a friend)
empty ore
And thats why people play RaS the most in NA
Meanwhile shes the WEAKEST LABY
TP> NL=EW > RaS
kindred frost
***btw EtW has 3 not including her base skill which would make it 4 (5 if we acc...
We live in a society tbh.
kindred frost
Besides base skill and awk button, RaS only has 1 other skill with groggy
but w...
Yep that's definitely living in a society
oblique sundial
god i hate core shield
warm hornet
god i love it.
oblique sundial
wish my character had that many iframes
warm hornet
if you faced the other way when you used it, my core wouldn't activate.
it would be considered as a back hit.
i do the same thing when i fight other eves
reverse my skills (face the other way) so their core doesn't activate.
or for most people that knows to fight me, they make sure my back is turned or cross me up.
oblique sundial
that changes literally nothing to me
you mashed out of a bravery because i faced the wrong direction
like that just sounds dumb
warm hornet
wanna do some testing then?
Ravens first Z attack is considered as a back it and that screws me over.
XD
warm hornet
like that just sounds dumb
or in some casses, i'm backed to the wall and it doesn't matter as long they keep hitting me.
oblique sundial
i dont want to test it, i understand it, that doesnt make it any less dumb of a mechanic
and i dont see how behaving like a normal character when youre in a corner is a bad thing
like you still get the damage reduction too
warm hornet
the problem with CE is that she's easy to pin down once caught and maintain advantage state.
most characters can out last oberon guard during skill trades.
oblique sundial
thats kind of how this game works though
disadvantage in elsword is probably worse than any regular fg
wakeup options are nonexistent and oki is broken
warm hornet
CE has it worst when it's coming out of disadvantage. other than spitfire maybe...
oblique sundial
like if i go play blazblue, i can get 50/50ed on wakeup into a frametrap
but theres still an option that works vs that
in els if you get knocked down then you just lose
the only characters that really ignore that are luciels and mpx
warm hornet
i would love to sit on top of you with oberon guard. (when you get knocked down)
but i know i can't.
when people starts catching on, you can just SA after get-up and chain a skill or something after SA.
i do the same thing when fighting a mirror match up.
they put oberon guard on me, i can press "v" and use oberon guard back at them and they'll lost their advantage.
oblique sundial
fortunately you have something like mod spitfire
most characters cant sa through a suction
warm hornet
that mildy feeds mana.
and it's short range and duration.
some or most skill trades can beat it.
warm hornet
personally, i don't see is as worth if if i'm exhausted of resources right after it.
oblique sundial
its only like 120 mp if you have a standard amount of mpr
warm hornet
in my experience, ain and ara can out run it.
after a get up reading them with spit fire.
oblique sundial
Do any of the ains have enough sa to get out of Oberon guard
warm hornet
they can use an active to get away form oberon guard.
and most of the time, ara would just out right contest me with her own SA.
which, i would expect anyways.
for some characters, they have "instant activation skills" that would take priority before getting hit by oberon guard.
and because of that, client sided stuff happens and my core would be seen as "used" and core lazers would visually show but doesn't hurt them.
or it works the other way around and core lazer hits you but i can't see that other than you being hit stunned.
and once i notice that, it's ether i bail because a doubt i can do a follow up with my clunky command attacks or just yolo and see if it works.
or the last of the few options, just do a knock down attack if you're too far from me.
i may be able to fly to you, but i won't be in position in time to start combo-ing you.
and if you see me with core active but i see mine as used up, core guard won't work because i'm properly being hit stunned on my end.
and damage numbers would also end up being client sidded as well.
clever sigil
I see where you're coming from on the gearing effort vs people not wanting to put effort into their gear(as time used should result in deserved gain)
But to answer the question which is just my opinion and a guess:
Tl;dr:
-Desentivize one shots
-allow a scapegoat for players who're dealing with high dmg nukes in a one shot meta or one-shot reliant players
-motivate different forms of gameplay
(Im aware that there's geared players who are GOATED and geared players who JUUST need more in the optimal basics department)
Non-Tl;dr:
-Decentivize the reliance of one-shots or big nukes
(say RH's Deva strike, shadow ambush, Defilberator, infernal blade(somewhat) to name a few, as they're skills that can hit high due to large multipliers and conditions, )
-Make people change their style up, focus more on catching, combos, working with other abilities, etc.
(To clarify, I know that there's good/great pvp folk that are geared and know their character inside and out, and geared folk that just rely on power instead of being pushed towards learning what their characters can do, how they combo optimally, KD reduce, etc.
Hell, pve can teach those mechanics on their own if done well.)
-be a scapegoat for pvpers or players unlucky enough to deal with high powered folks.
( this point can be me repeating point number 1. In this case some people want another survival option when dealing with folks relying on high damage nukes.
Based on how it's used, be it durung freeze frames or needing to be use preemptively , this skill could be useless or strong as hell.)
What I see with this is that gear differences are still growing, although the majority have either a FOJ, VOS, or an SOA wep , so players who either don't have enough time but still like pvp, need more efficiency, are burnt from the grind pve grind, unlucky, or as some may say "lazy" or just dont want to do pve at all (hell I understand why some players aren't a pve fan) want a option for dealing with(1/2)
fiery lionBOT
MitsuMez#5347 has been warned
clever sigil
(2/2) high powered folk who gap them harder than a 3000hp dodge viper.
With the people who gear themselves I get where they're coming from, considering time, effort, and grinding being put into their current fruition I honor them somewhat.
Thing is, some players may not grasp or even consider it rational for the timeframe(weeks, months or years of grinding? ) to get to that point. Hell lets take that a little deeper.
How much ed is spent(or how much does it take) to make it to that current power level?
What's the current most effecient method of grind for their entry point?
whether the opportunity for those ed gains is still there or is it thrown towards higher endgame options?
How much time per day is spent?
(I hear people say 2 to 4 hrs but what's a person's tips on time management and habitually sticking to the cutoff? Im all ears.)
How does one stay focused on the timeblock and cut off afterwards?
How much does RNG impact the grind?
There's surely more questions that people send out, and based on the answers, and what they currently do, how much time they estimate, and whether the time spent onwards or in the past is reasonable would make them either continue, or say "forget this" and stick to the same farming matters or leave this game till said gear and IBS progression gets somewhat better(imo getting the IBS and certain amulets is the hurdles that requires time, ed, or enough luck that you can get np5 castoria in a single 10 summon in FGO, and I've personally been on the lucky end with great support from my guild)
Thus people will desire a option that can give them a chance or edge against those that spent a metric load of time, got godlike luck, or just monetery power.
Excuse this for being too long. Wanted to throw in some points for why players who arent at that strong level would seek some of those counter options.
I guess a question to everyone else, would a dmg reflect option make pvp more alive or playable, attracting more players to it?
Hell it reminds me of a vid pertaining to s2 or s3 (mightve been earlier) where elboy had dmg reflect on his ironbody. And oh boy that thing hurt.
empty ore
I guess a question to everyone else, would a dmg reflect option make pvp more alive or playable, attracting more players to it?
For me? No this wouldnt do anything
We actually have a skill in game that reflects damage and its gimmicky as heck
Once you see it
you just go
Oh guess im not attacking for a few secs
Now things I'd like to actually see:
Damage decay on using the same commands and loops.
Normalized mp gain across the board. MtM ^Z shouldnt be getting 12mp a hit while I get 5-6.
Then maybe introduce a damage modifer on FoJ, VoS, SoA. It can vary due to difference in damage from the weps.
Mpr needs to be hard capped at 15%
kindred frost
@oblique sundial late to the party but if no one has already said it. Using a Stun counters core shield mash
Ohh I didn't read the whole discussion but if I could add my two cents, I think my biggest gripe against gear is how pay to win it is.
Not everyone got the money to just pour on elsword, some of us got bills to pay and whatnot. That's my issue if it was more effort than money I wouldn't care as much
kindred frost
`I guess a question to everyone else, would a dmg reflect option make pvp more a...
Very fair takes. I think since elsword is a dying game KOG my have this mentality of "Oh do what we can to keep our regulars and do whatever to get money flowing in"
But from my pov, if you increase the quality of the game you can attract more players thus increasing revenue and not have to resort to these cheap tactics
buoyant folio
Ngl
they could've easily made some pvp gear that took grinding to get by.. literally just pvping
We already got duelist sets but compared to something like rigo they could be a bit lacking
clever sigil
Very fair takes. I think since elsword is a dying game KOG my have this mentalit...
I have to wonder if theres the possibility of a dying game becoming alive again. In my eyes thats a pipe dream.
What can KOG do with their godforsaken mentality to turn things around?
All i see are plain balance patches, and more focus on pve. Especially with the conference info mentioning(ereda accesories going into EP shop)
mystic elbow
I see where you're coming from on the gearing effort vs people not wanting to pu...
Thank you for actually answering unlike the two ppl who genuinely couldn't
Don't get me wrong, I understand what y'all are saying. But relying on a one shot, is a form of gameplay. It's okay that you can't respect it. But remember that that's how some people genuinely want to play. For people to become better at the game, they have to work around these types of playstyles. Similar to how you have to work around certain characters. For me personally, working around people's playstyles is part of the fun most times. When I was severely undergeared nothing felt better than to beat someone with better gear. But that can be said for losing because of gear.
So yea I get why people would be upset about that playstyle
I know I used to haate it so much
but I learned how to avoid one shots on a character that has a harder time than others avoiding it (Shakti)
The thing is, it's not players who can't gear up that complain about these things
it's players who won't
But we're also in a time where legit every class
can do dmg
Even +10 foj in terms of 1s is having ppl do ridiculous dmg
I think what Arkie said makes the most sense rather than a force that reflects damage
Players who know the amount of work it takes to properly gear up and is working on it don't complain
Players who know the amount of work but refuse to do the work complain
Then you just have ignorance
celest ore
Even +10 foj in terms of 1s is having ppl do ridiculous dmg
+10 mn be satisfying doe
mystic elbow
💀
mystic elbow
We already got duelist sets but compared to something like rigo they could be a ...
Duelist >> Rigo
and while that would've made a lot more sense because it's what that one place we can't talk about is doing
Introducing that now would probably make some ppl pretty mad
but I agree with it, pvp weapons and pvp duelist would've been the best route to go
buoyant folio
It really would've been
Like they went the right path with the older onew
Where we can get higher enhanced tiers with PvP stuff
But they suck compared to duelist at +10
celest ore
yeah i was hoping for duelist wep
celest ore
💀
unrelated but is mn slept on
im not even good at her and i be goin wild
rose being slept on
why did i even ask
celest ore
oh absolutely
clever sigil
Thank you for actually answering unlike the two ppl who genuinely couldn't
Don'...
That is true. Adapt>overcome>survive is the best policy.
And Even i can understand that joy in overcoming matches like that.... or at least learning from it. Maybe i've become blind or stale, but I hope that mentality of learning from losses or working around characters is being pushed.
Actually that might be why I get some joy in player who either struggled against me, "learned" from me being able to beat me and get even gudder! Inverse is also the same.
buoyant folio
Honestly one shotting as a playstyle sounds very bland
mystic elbow
it is bland
buoyant folio
Mostly they just get hit gain mana
Manabreak and use skill
Why even play PvP at that point
mystic elbow
It's bland but a style of playing nonetheless
buoyant folio
I feel like that's a bit of a reach
mystic elbow
Especially if it works consistently
celest ore
Manabreak and use skill
escape skill > awakening > devastating strike
buoyant folio
Unless you can have a legitment reason as to why then I can't rewlly approve of it
celest ore
i be having nightmares about this dude
mystic elbow
What's a playstyle to you
buoyant folio
Because PvP is a show of skill not a show of manabrewking and how good you are at pressing a button
Well you got my answer there
mystic elbow
Is it not
simply
a style of playing?
a consistent style that you'll go for when playing pvp
on elsword
buoyant folio
Hmm I suppose with that limited description of a players, it CAN count of it
But imo a playstyle it's more of interacting with the games mechanics and properly learning your own and others classes by fighting them
There's no learning when all you do is have money carry you to a win
Plus lile you said it's a bland olaydtke
If you're not enjoying why bother?
buoyant folio
They most likely get w kick out of trolling but idk about that one
mystic elbow
personally I don't play one shot and win
buoyant folio
Like a "hahaha you out in all that effort to lose to one skill"
buoyant folio
Lmao that's funny then
Because that's a poor way of feeling satisfied
I know I shouldn't be talking down about people who enjoy it but it's hard not to
mystic elbow
But a playstyle is quite literally how someone goes about playing the game
by definition
celest ore
personally I don't play one shot and win
even i dont do that and refer to my previous image
mystic elbow
even i dont do that and refer to my previous image
i like seeing ppls hp get deleted tho
celest ore
no it is unironically funny tho
clever sigil
i be having nightmares about this dude
Pssh naw, raven should be lightwork for ya!
You know you're more goated than you think :v
celest ore
"lmao are they lagging"
"O THEY DIED WHAT"
mystic elbow
LOOOOL
1s be so funny
esp when the net isnt netting
and they're teleporting all over the map
mystic elbow
I know I shouldn't be talking down about people who enjoy it but it's hard not t...
u dont have to respect it