Like... you'd expect the same gameplay/reading methods on randoms? especially NA players in general?
#pvp
sacred niche
Mmmyeah, good luck dealing with that. But in my end it ain't my cup of tea regardless
mystic elbow
I expect you to know other characters options and what they have. Communicate.
Thats what party chat is for
If you know what your teammates resource options are along with your opponents you’ll be fine
empty ore
Tell them to shove their honor where the sun don't shine.
mystic elbow
Tell them to shove their honor where the sun don't shine.
I should've
noble pelican
Not the MtM hate 🥲
noble pelican
he loves your mtm tho
That’s interesting to know
mystic elbow
i wont say the ign 
i dont needa start getting kicked from rooms again for no reason
willow mural
id love to do 2s but im gear locked
people in there got like +11 duelist gear and are super tanky
mystic elbow
not everyone does
like u can go in with +9 duelist
+11 ppl still get one shot
they just do more dmg
but you're FL so it doesn't matter!
noble pelican
If you get a teammate who does great dmg, ya can save them when they’re getting comboed
Fire wall the others, and boom
real viper
+11 duelist just help tankier, it doesn't fully save you from getting nuked tho
mystic elbow
it'll help u have more defense and help u do more dmg
real viper
I mean yea it's nice but +9 is also can do just fine
mystic elbow
with who
willow mural
@dusk dock
mystic elbow
it is but i feel like there's a pretty big difference
mystic elbow
between +11 and +9
ptsd 💀
like it rly feels like I do no dmg compared to anyone w/ even +10
dusk dock
i tried with noct a couple times
It was so bad bruh
real viper
too fast tend to make me mess up combo
dusk dock
We had to carry each other
noble pelican
like it rly feels like I do no dmg compared to anyone w/ even +10
Story of my Life
real viper
I pressed ZZZ then the game mistake into looping single Z
dusk dock
With our poor gear 😭
willow mural
~~I pressed ZZZ then the game mistake into looping single Z~~
relatable
then again we were gonna lose regardless
genesis
anemos with a dem
da
o lord the da 😭
noble pelican
~~I pressed ZZZ then the game mistake into looping single Z~~
Makes me think of how certain command chains won’t activate even as I’m slamming my finger down on the buttons
At least for my mtm
mystic elbow
~~too fast tend to make me mess up combo~~
OO SAME
noble pelican
Pilot error is a butt 😔
mystic elbow
I have that same issue when I play Eve mostly
real viper
therefore I prefer eclipse over goe/fs
mystic elbow
on CU when I want to do ZZX
or even ZZZvZ
when in queens throne
I still prefer goe
real viper
@mystic elbow you wanna see something involve timestop in 2v2?
noble pelican
I still prefer goe
I’m liking goe too now that I’ve seen people recommending it. Attack speed is great
real viper
https://youtu.be/CZ8OOC_OKgA (ignore the voice)
noble pelican
im +11 S5 VOS
Oh no 😭😭
mystic elbow
https://youtu.be/CZ8OOC_OKgA (ignore the voice)
LMAOOO
real viper
*context: abuse timestop to stall obten is also a thing
noble pelican
https://youtu.be/CZ8OOC_OKgA (ignore the voice)
All those skills-
noble pelican
CU is slept on ngl
I miss seeing CU in pvp queues
real viper
what u expect in a ded char
mystic elbow
I pvp'd on CU last week but I can't step consistently
real viper
👨🦽
noble pelican
Queen’s throne is so cool
noble pelican
Madam r u online
Ah. Yeah. I am
mystic elbow
wya
noble pelican
I fishing
real viper
@mystic elbow https://youtu.be/7zjeO5kw-_A
context: hitstun slipped out and I escaped
noble pelican
I’m by the mermaid lady
noble pelican
😂
abstract yacht
It wasnt like that in the past... and let me tell you that was way worse.
imagine tryna get someone and u awk and ur ally just hits him out of it and gets out
and you just wasted your awk cuz ur ally is dumb.
tossing a shooting star and ally hits enemy so now enemy can mana break before I can even deal my dmg
will never forget.
real viper
Preparing a nuke into the opponent then ally casually hit them to reset their timestop
💀
You can relate it, I assume? @abstract yacht
Imagine that if timestop doesn't affect ally
abstract yacht
Preparing a nuke into the opponent then ally casually hit them to reset their ti...
Literally this
I remember this was still a thing when 3rd jobs released
cuz I have the memory of a time my ally RH used 3rd job HA
and I could move freely
but I just
had to stay quiet in there
because RH's HA powerstun can be removed upon taking a hit
so I was just there like
yeah Ima just take a break 💀
sacred niche
Man... All I remember pre 2013 below, I was in a 3v3 team match with friends, I was on chase with an enemy and one of my teammates pushed awaken button causing the enemy side to run away since they're off screen on the timestop range while I was.
Mmmyep, helpful indeed.
Not to mention this still happens to this day.
charred pine
streaming rn, about to do some classes so tune in if yall got any questions yall want answered. Ill post it on youtube later on for those who missed it
noble pelican
noble pelican
why am I toxic sometimes
What climbing pvp does to us
“Undying flame” is such an ironic name for how many people die from it-
abstract yacht
well the flame is undying
players? not so much
mystic elbow
Pre nerf CA and pre nerf NL would like to speak to you
abstract yacht
release Erbluhen Emotion: hold my blatt
oblique sundial
release ain was a reason to quit the game
dusk dock
what made you come back tbh
oblique sundial
Oh I didn't leave during that time
I played ain
And I kept playing up until like 2020
solid socket
im curious what class they are if they say they take skill to aim
knotty kraken
def a chung
lavish socket
im curious what class they are if they say they take skill to aim
BQ
LMAO
that why I was laughing
he has more SA tools than me
solid socket
doesnt bq legit just brandish from point blank as a pvp nuke and every elesis just has iron body for existing
lavish socket
YES
solid socket
idk where theyre talking about aiming i cant think of anything bq does that requires like precise aim
lavish socket
that why I said he salty cuz he's using a better character yet is still salty for losing
lavish socket
like dude git gud
solid socket
legit just iron body and ignore it
lavish socket
i could see lock on being kinda annoying to fight against but
that skill is really easy to dodge
marsh plume
The BQ could've brute forced by diving to stoic the hitstun
Then boom once or twice
And it would've been a very bad situation for the TB once BQ has resources
mystic elbow
dont be near me, use SA, use Iframes, obten, clock
Idk if I gotta use valuable things like obten or clock to get out of that
Its not easy to get out of
Especially when you can just use it near beginning match or use it again a few seconds later
warm hornet
command attacks that has SA
solid socket
did i just witness someone task manager in pvp
mystic elbow
Not everyone has access to near instant SA options
solid socket
i caught them like 3 times and i didnt even get my damage ability off but after 3 catches i saw them not lagging at all and suddenly dc in the middle of it
they kinda just stood there too
warm hornet
i can do ZZx or ZZZX within lock on lazer intervals.
lavish socket
Not everyone has access to near instant SA options
ok dont be near me....
solid socket
lavish socket
problem slove
mystic elbow
ok dont be near me....
Map is Wally Rooftop
lavish socket
still works
mystic elbow
I have to rely on Map Advantage and use valuable tools to get out of it?
lavish socket
dont be near me
warm hornet
she has that command attack that gives her super armor and makes a suck effect.
mystic elbow
I dont recall her having that but maybe >>ZX yes
mystic elbow
The kick?
mystic elbow
Why mention it 😭
mystic elbow
I think it does the kick anyway? I can check though
warm hornet
very confident they can, based on my experience with them.
abstract yacht
ngl as smn who has played TB
Lock-On isnt exactly about "can it be dodged"
more about..
Its literally free cheesing.
Its a tenacity, so low cost
Considering TB can regen extra MP just for being in overstrike (3/s for 10s every 20s) without having to interact with the opponent... you're already having an advantage over BQ.
on top of that if they decide to run you can literally just run towards them without endangering yourself because the range detection of it is at least mildly offscreen, so u can be above BQ, taking adv that she has no double jumps and safely chip down her HP or find an opening to combo her
the skill has a fairly high CD if u took the anti-mb trait, but also T slot exists
BQ can use Iron body to ignore it, sure, but that is still a loss for her than for you
cuz she's wasting almost an identical amount of mp (75) for nothing in return while you can just run away while regenarating mp back w/ OS so you still get the lead both in HP and MP
not only that
Lock on is a laser skill
means it has the 50% chance to apply each hit the laser debuff which negates natural MP gain for 5s
so thats even more mp lead.
mystic elbow
would it even be worth it to take anti mb trait
abstract yacht
most cases
no
but I personally use it just cuz I like to use it mid combo too
so I just left that as a note just in case
willow mural
ur right 👀
but it really isnt that hard to dodge
at least for me it isnt
oh its wallys castle rooftop
maybe the xxx and then dodge n slash?
usually when i see that i do a super armor command and then dodge n slash
oblique sundial
I can sa one of them and sometimes I'll get lucky and it locks on to the cute little stick that dem puts down
solid socket
i finished my guild pvp quest and realized why i dont pvp anymore 😔
pvp would be fun but even ereda is more balanced ;-;
oblique sundial
solid socket
i lost at char selection screen
but unlike ereda where i can just make a naked alt and do well, i cant do that in pvp 😔
noble pelican
if she has hyper accel she can dodge it
I agree with this. You can probably out-run the laser or at least run away from the TB while those lasers are going off
This is the start of that BQ’s training arc against TB 
abstract yacht
but it really isnt that hard to dodge
Like I said is less about how easy to dodge it is
cuz like
that doesnt stop TB from just being able to do it again, cuz she has the tools to stall and spam for it much like AeS and her meditation
versed knot
TB is fine, but nerf pyro tbh, too OP
versed knot
Nah nah hai, I like the class, I dun wanna have it nerfed
Just specifically pyro * ^*
versed knot
Hey fair to say one of my MN was TB
mystic elbow
was
versed knot
Idk how pyro plays TB so efficiently
lilac merlin
lavish socket
I agree with this. You can probably out-run the laser or at least run away from ...
nope I've tested that already u can't simply run away from it. if you have the sigil its almost always gonna hit
lavish socket
if we nerfed TB, pyro gets nerfed anyway
I was playing Str even when they nerf her to the ground in that revamp
learn, adapt, overcome
mystic elbow
🍪
lavish socket
ahh thx u
lavish socket
also fun fact Lock on 3 intervals is dependent on ur quality settings. so if u have the game in low quality the sigil that supposed to appear doesn't. which giltches the skill and makes it fired all three laser in .3 sec instead once every sec
fiery lionBOT
pyro3119 has been warned
glass echo
Bot is dumb
lavish socket
I was gonna say that glitch is independent so it doesn't matter what u or ur enemy quality settings is
if I have high setting it looks normal but for them its fired rapidly
noble pelican
nope I've tested that already u can't simply run away from it. if you have the s...
At least the name’s not false advertising then
Lock on
abstract yacht
best thing you can do is
skills with iframes can lay a 2nd shot to waste
if the iframe is short you can time it right before getting hit by the 1st laser
with it, when the 2nd laser is hitscanning, it cannot detect you as you're in iframe and goes to waste effectively avoiding 2 hits
3rd shot is still gonna come for you if u dont have another iframe skill prepared though.
but you should always look to fight TB if she starts stalling
unless you're also a no-brain stallin class then
cough aisha rena eve cough
why is it always the female characters
lavish socket
I mean you can't say all the female character elesis main might have a fit
lavish socket
best thing you can do is
skills with iframes can lay a 2nd shot to waste
if the ...
btw each laser has lingering hitboxes so hopefully you dont run into it
tbh I want ppl to know my weakness it forces to adapt the way I play
glass echo
Me with everyone
oblique sundial
I beat PO by making the match take 5 minutes
Either they leave queue or it keeps happening
versed knot
I beat PO by making the match take 5 minutes
Which PO is it
willow mural
tbf arnold u hate everyone
mystic elbow
i remain unhated 😌
noble pelican
Me with everyone
Me too
noble pelican
i remain unhated 😌
noble pelican
I beat PO by making the match take 5 minutes
Stall-to-win
oblique sundial
tbf arnold u hate everyone
Noooooo
Just 4th jobs and fem chars made after elesis
oblique sundial
Forgot about those
willow mural
how can he hate aisha if he plays aisha
oblique sundial
Who has more patience: the matchup
noble pelican
Who has more patience: the matchup
Who wins the >>^zx trade: the matchup
willow mural
lightning shower spam getting boring?
clever sigil
Im die inside getting apollyon'd, but this right here gave me some life back.
I salute you for deaking with CEs... that roll like that.
Tho ik that everyone has their style
Ironic, when you give an explanation and .... people lose all the attention span that their cerebral coetex can harbor.
If you start some beef, better let it cook. Otherwise, don't say jack.
Pyro, keep doing your thing,
this BQ imo should make use of some of her stoic if poossible, be it >>zx pacing or even baiting and "brutal cutter" it can take time adapting, but it's doavle with some elbow grease and failure.
lavish socket
np dude I love getting these message it means he care enough spew hate
that normal in fighting games
clever sigil
Mn, It makes me wonder how people are gonna act in AC6 pvp seeing stuff like this.
Still gotta lose some to win some.
-F rank Raven :v
celest ore
unironically tho considering the size of the pvp community at this point
im pretty certain 99% of all salt whispers are generated by the same individual
dusk dock
what about the other 1%
mystic elbow
The other 1% is just HatefulChung
dusk dock
LMAO
real viper
NA look lively with the amount of whisper
heavy spear
thinking about the time a VP (yes, a VP) whispered me to complain about me using a trans class
like honey what are you saying.
she probably meant 4th path cause i was dem
versed knot
thinking about the time a VP (yes, a VP) whispered me to complain about me using...
Nah she was just transphobic
heavy spear
i'm sure i brought this up already but a million years ago i played WS and i fought someone who refused to mana break
told them to hold z and they told me it was cheating
heavy spear
reminds me of some smash tournament that banned edgeguarding
dusk dock
did you inf them
heavy spear
yea
abstract yacht
ah yes when WS could ZZ>Z infinitely
coarse geyser
Going to mention this for those using this thread:
There are rules in place on this Discord, and circumventing them in any way is not allowed. This includes bypassing the censor and defamation. If this continues, then we're going to have to close down this thread and start removing permissions. I'd rather it not come to that and I know you all know better, so let's be better.
gentle trench
Going to mention this for those using this thread:
There are rules in place on ...
But this chat is sacred :c
abstract yacht
I understand the reason
I just find it funny though considering this is the most active "forum" in the sv
ironically for a channel whose topic is a dead content
glass echo
Let's just start talking about PvP in #elsword-chat 
dusk dock
I like this thread. I may not be a PvP main anymore but I have fond memories of this place. I don't want to see it go 😫 😪 😔
oblique sundial
I just don't see a reason for censorship in 2023 ngl
Slurs I get it but the sailor in me has a rough time trying to understand everything else
dusk dock
The defamatory stuff, most likely.
And whatever arguments that were happening in here with the censorship evading
solid socket
Exactly- the defamation and the censor bypassing of cuss words was what Raiden was talking about I think
mystic elbow
idk how it can be defamation if there's video/textual evidence but ok
solid socket
I don't know either, my assumption is that just any mention of another player in a negative light counts as defamation, true or not, even if I disagree with it in the event there's evidence I'm not gonna question it
mystic elbow
that's not defamation then
dusk dock
I think it's just best to not name them publicly as it COULD lead to defamation
mystic elbow
if it's not a false statement it's not defamation
dusk dock
I have seen a few counts of defamation here. One would name an IGN and we would either be passive aggressive with our off-hand comments about that particular user or just out-right say what we felt about them in a negative connotation.
It truly doesn't matter about OUR definition of defamation. It's in the rules of this server. The least we have agreed to do is abide by them in order to host a decent environment for fellow gamers of Elsword to be able to interact with ease.
I understand where you are coming from but I'm fine with Raiden's warning. I'm just surprised that it wasn't reported here sooner.
"Do not harass, defame or denigrate other players
Very simply. If you do not have anything nice to say - don't say it. Insulting Members and/or Moderators/GMs can get you banned from the server."
solid socket
Yeah that's what I mean and what I took it as
I personally wouldn't agree with it being defamation specifically however I think the comments made about other users would fall under denigrating and thus not be allowed as per the rules
willow mural
u dont pvp anymore 🤯
dusk dock
It falls under the same umbrella so its best to just not do it at all.
You can come and complain here to your heart's content about a character, class, or even a playstyle.
It's just the moment you pinpoint someone, it's mod time.
willow mural
pve era
u go gurl
i think not censoring the names in the screenshots are what broke the rules
mystic elbow
I have seen a few counts of defamation here. One would name an IGN and we would ...
Thats not defamation either
Those are opinions shared about a player
defamation would be me going out my way to negatively convince people about someone and it be false. Showing screenshots of what someone clearly said or a hacker very obviously hacking is not defamation
Its not about our definition of defamation.
Making false statements that can or will damage the reputation of someone else is just the text book definition of defamation
dusk dock
Then I apologize.
However, if it is not defamation, is it still not denigrating? Maybe that's the word GM Raiden meant to use and I'm not here to assume what he actually meant in his message.
Regardless, the screenshots without censorship was still out of line. The censorship evading of certain words as well. Not to mention the off-hand comments.
I admit my usage of the word was wrong. But the intention of what I said still holds true. We are here to do many things here in just a PvP thread but I'm sure (other than just throwing a little salt here and there) we are mainly here to chat about the game we play. That is all there is to it.
solid socket
Yes it is still denigrating hence why I mentioned it, true or not talking bad about players like that isn't allowed
At least I think that's what it is
mystic elbow
However, if it is not defamation, is it still not denigrating? Maybe that's the ...
That's something I just don't agree with. In screenshots, some of these people say the most out of pocket things. Which is why I just don't understand why keeping their identity a secret is needed
Denigrating is probably not the right word for it either. Because that would mean they don't deserve it.
that's specifically talking about screenshots though
but when it comes to naming other players and simply talking about it then yes it can be considered that
If that's the case then I'll try to stop
willow mural
i think we just gotta cope
regardless of whether we think its fair or not, we gotta follow the mods rules 
abstract yacht
Point is
granted they are trash talking
but that doesnt mean you should just get down on their level and do so as well here
if they are talking bad either keep it between him and you or bring it to support
and not here
mystic elbow
I didn't say you should. But if you do then I can't say I care
I also don't care if it's fair or not. It just doesn't make much sense to me.
dusk dock
I'll keep it real.
I couldn't find anything specific about screenshots in the #code-of-conduct
Cassian has a point here.
I guess we just do it out of common courtesy???? Because sometimes its best to just keep them anon because we don't want to start a discussion about the particular individual that MAY cause denigrating or something or the sort.
But even then, idk tbh...
abstract yacht
like
alright
far as Im aware
it is at least allowed
as long as u censor their name..
cuz thats what ppl have done b4
and ofc censor the swearing
mystic elbow
It's giving.. the episode where spongebob and patrick learn curse words
solid socket
Talking about people being salty at you is fine so long as the name is censored, essentially I think it boils down to talking badly about other players by name = bad but the wording might not be the greatest
mystic elbow
💀
willow mural
yeah that could be reworded ig
mystic elbow
Yea I still don't see a point in censoring the name
willow mural
just censor the name to keep it safe ig
mystic elbow
Even though at this point we can just guess who is the one salting
abstract yacht
basically tossing shade at others
whether by your own words or by exposing them or any sort.
solid socket
It's honestly just also the fact that
willow mural
idk maybe so people dont witch hunt
mystic elbow
its elsword how are they gonna witch hunt
solid socket
The kind of content that is fine in most casual servers is simply out of place for an official server, going into an official server and seeing people talking bad about others a lot just kinda isn't a good or professional look possibly
solid socket
Tbh if I was totally new to els and I saw the kinds of things said here with names and all I'd be a bit put off ngl
mystic elbow
i wouldnt
bc context matters
if someone is saying "this player did _" and it doesn't apply to me I don't think I'd care
especially if said player is purposely trying to ruin
other people's time on this game
willow mural
but if i had to guess its probably because if someone got harrassed cuz their name was put on blast in the official server and its reported, then the mods would have to take responsibility for allowing it to happen in the first place?
solid socket
That's subjective but I can see what you mean, context matters a lot but also with the things said here, the context isn't always there
dusk dock
Are we really that salty in here tbh
solid socket
but if i had to guess its probably because if someone got harrassed cuz their na...
But also this
mystic elbow
No
If someone got harassed for being salty that's their own fault
but if someone got harassed for simply playing the game and one of us got annoyed by them
willow mural
that aint how the mods see it 🗿
mystic elbow
then I can see it
but I don't think I've seen anyone here be mad at someone for simply playing their class
solid socket
but if someone got harassed for simply playing the game and one of us got annoye...
It's a case by case basis ngl and I think this is too big of a risk to take
mystic elbow
Well yes
I'm taking account of how the community is in general
I can see why these rules are put in place
hold on im losing my train of thought
cuz of my niece
but yea im assuming they deserve it when it's not always the case
so yea the rules make sense it's just the things we talk about specifically
they have.. always deserved it..
solid socket
Yeah I think its the fact that, in a good amount of cases they deserve it, but it's likely both easier and more professional to simply take that kind of talk away altogether than give the mods the extra workload of reviewing everything case by case
abstract yacht
okay so
discord servers like these
are essentially public places
so lets put an analogy (not sure if it'll convey well my msg)
when you're at a public place
let's say at a mall and some random guy starts yelling
you can probably ignore it, you dont care, you can lock out the sound of the guy
some others however do feel uncomfortable or annoyed by the sound of his yells
and its a public etiquette to not do things like this in public to keep a non-disruptive environment for everyone
that's kind of
the thing here with it
even if we're still the same 10 ppl chatting in this specific channel
the channel is within said public environment (the server) and is not given any exceptions from the rule than other channels, imagine these being posted in elschat
it kinda gives bad taste to the environment
here we dont care but nonetheless is smth that does trigger a bad environment and as such is, much like in other channels would; against rules
solid socket
Pretty much that too yeah
The only times I'd personally disagree is in the case of hackers but that's a diff issue altogether
mystic elbow
The only times I'd personally disagree is in the case of hackers but that's a di...
100%
oblique sundial
A video of someone hacking getting removed because if defamation is honestly the dumbest thing ever
mystic elbow
^
Arkie casually getting 24 hr muted for warning us of a hacker
Jipo getting muted for posting proof of a hacker
oblique sundial
i got 24 hour muted ilke two days ago lul
oblique sundial
screenshot of the dude flaming me in /ws
mystic elbow
😭
abstract yacht
iirc for hackers is more so about "if you want smth to do with the hacker, bring it up to CS and not here, this isnt the place for that" or so
abstract yacht
It's still the place for reporting
showing a hacker here is kinda...
doesnt rly do anything
dusk dock
screenshot of the dude flaming me in /ws
mystic elbow
makes perfect sense
oblique sundial
so the only way to warn people to stay out of queue if they dont want to just lose to a hacker over and over again
oblique sundial
is to buy a whole mega lmao
mystic elbow
and the video
spend 100kc on something that could've just been done in video
u report to CS
they ban
it just makes so much more sense to report to CS AND post it here so we don't get hacked on
if we stop the amount of queuing then they'll just get bored 
solid socket
It does and doesn't honestly; it doesn't do anything to the hacker, but it let's the people here not have to deal with that if they see the messages
oblique sundial
n0pe its not 2013 anymore we dont do the third method
mystic elbow
its only a 10 year diff
tho hackers have been less recent as there hasn't been an active queue in a while
oblique sundial
its literally free so why not? lmao
mystic elbow
go hack minecraft instead
its probably so much more fun
😭
🙂 
lemme start sniping u in queue on CA
oblique sundial
ill do the third method i s2g
mystic elbow
what if I use normal slap over mod
oblique sundial
Okay thats kind of funny
mystic elbow
but mod is almost as oppressive anyway
mystic elbow
I cant wait to use it on you
oblique sundial
the third method is only a text file away
oblique sundial
i want to say i have done worse for less but i really havent
mystic elbow
💀
coarse geyser
Keep in mind I said includes defamation and censor bypassing as they were examples of stuff that has happened, but were not the only ones (There are other examples, such as discussions that break the Elsword Terms of Use).
I get why people will would want to post warnings about people hacking but that is strictly not allowed, and should be adhered to. If people want to do that here, it will be removed, and punishments will be handed out. Report them to CS with evidence and the team will take care of them.
I did say you all know better because you're all adults and do know better, so be better about it too. That's why I'm letting this thread stay despite all the stuff that needed to be removed over time.
solid socket
Yeah that makes sense, apologies if anything I said had also broken those rules
celest ore
so is "don't queue into arena you'll lose points because someone has nanomachines" not allowed
empty ore
i'm sure i brought this up already but a million years ago i played WS and i fou...
Reminds me of ShyRaven
I get why people will would want to post warnings about people hacking but that is strictly not allowed, and should be adhered to. If people want to do that here, it will be removed, and punishments will be handed out. Report them to CS with evidence and the team will take care of them.
Very well, I dont like people wasting thier time in matches where they cant win. Which is why I made that post. Regardless ill just report to CS
mystic elbow
At the very least we should be able to warn people of the existence of a hacker and the rank they’re currently in
Naming them is also generally helpful so we dont get banned for “playing with them” in spar,dungeon or even arena.
celest ore
At the very least we should be able to warn people of the existence of a hacker ...
yeah thats just some basic queue game etiquette
coarse geyser
Until further notice....I will allow that on the basis that no details are shared. Still, better to report those to CS to be taken care of.
celest ore
yeah that sounds good
i personally wouldn't want to share any more details outside of that and maybe a rank but some may feel differently
that's a fine compromise to me though and thanks for clarifying
heavy spear
kek i just found out i can do cata's air dashes with >>^z
oddly it feels more clunky than with >>^x
glass echo
🙂
heavy spear
:D?
hollow hound
Finally, I finished my thesis. I am back but first (I now this was discussed yesterday) I want to apologize because I forgot to censor the name of the person and the insults. I don't think that was defamation since I wanted to alert other players to be careful with this kind of people in pvp, but just in case, I won't do it again.
abstract yacht
when u face the same Devi 3 times and u lowkey feel bad for her and at the 3rd match she uses repel to counter your projectiles and makes it even more sad cuz DA's bubbles aren't even considered projectiles
lavish socket
when u face the same Devi 3 times and u lowkey feel bad for her and at the 3rd m...
I feel the same way when a Devi uses repel on me but they don't know that repel only works on magical projectile
sacred niche
Bro, don't feel bad, that Devi is me kekw.
sacred niche
xD
lavish socket
Bruh imagine finding different people in PvP
sacred niche
I've been PvPing for like... hours now and my brain is 100% no brain atm.
idek what I'm doing the whole match and just throw everything and my hands are tired. 
lavish socket
10 to 20% of the time it's going to be a main all other time it's just an alt
sacred niche
the 2nd(?) or I think the 3rd match where I used Wind Wedge, I was like... "why the hell did I use that skill on a platform"
abstract yacht
yeah shouldn't have, that gave me a window to act
sacred niche
But mah, it's fine, no biggie.
noble pelican
Gotta grind that AP somehow
sacred niche
Though along side the queues, for the first time, I actually find a CE that isn't an annoying summon everything type of CE and actually fights.
--and as usual I forgot their name.
Probably a CE worth to fight, but it was a long draining queue.
warm hornet
Probably a CE worth to fight, but it was a long draining queue.
o/
dusk dock
Real recognizes real
sacred niche
o/
I did fought you lots of times before, I semi-recall your name, but this CE was a different name though, unless that's your alt idk.
warm hornet
the only ult i use for pvp is a daybreaker
sacred niche
Guess it's a different CE then that I fought during those hours.
warm hornet
i'm only SS, what rank was the other CE?
warm hornet
unless you were a 4th path ara the other week ago and i tanked 2 braveries while low hp.
i won 1 out of 3 matches on those fights.
and dam... critical dive on 1st path elesis can eat two core charges on my core guard.
as in, i won't be allowed evasive command if i only have one core charge
abstract yacht
fun fact critical dive ignores guard.
so your core doesnt reduce any dmg whatsoever and goes to waste
it also ignores defense (25% in PvP)
It's quite a nice skill for a tenacity
sacred niche
~~unless you were a 4th path ara the other week ago and i tanked 2 braveries whi...
Nah, I don't play SU though, Ara class paths I only play on PvP are Devi and Apsara only.
Though I did try playing SU on PvP during 4th path release, but the card abuse and falling dragon routine doesn't suit my taste, and feels very cheap for wins.
warm hornet
Makes sense.
warm hornet
***fun fact critical dive ignores guard.***
so your core doesnt reduce any dmg w...
I still get damage reduction when my core guard activates. It's just that the core guard ends instantly after being hit (and thus, i lose a core charge). And I'm assuming it ignores my physical defense instead of damage reduction. which is still a lot for pvp if I had 3 core charges, I can wiggle out of critical dive.
warm hornet
o/
mystic elbow
yall make friends in SS?
empty ore
Not really no.
Sometimes people whisper me out of frustration. To which ill tell em things they could do to improve or work on gear wise
warm hornet
Pretty sure my gear is fine as it is. :v
warm hornet
Elesis are fun to fight for me.
mystic elbow
sorry lemme rephrase on redheads
A d r e s t i a
and then any elbow is just a boring match for me
warm hornet
I commit trade battles
mystic elbow
my stun dont work so yea cant do it
ill run for 5 seconds then use my ✨ A r a A w k ✨
to run out the time
of iron body
warm hornet
I want them to use iron body at me.
It makes them a little more predictable.
unless they're that good
Because I can SA trade or SA punish.
because CE neutral is dog water
mystic elbow
i dont think her neutral is that bad
sacred niche
Mah, on my end I just pretty much PvP until I reach the point of where I go no brain and throw everything/I get tired then I stop.
Or if I see an OM in queues
abstract yacht
I still get damage reduction when my core guard activates. It's just that the co...
"Ignores all damage reduction effects. Also ignores defense"
whenever it refers to dmg reduction effects / guard often means dmg red buffs, guard status and the likes, which Core is one of those
Defense ignore is purely the defense stat in itself, which yes it'll ignore 25% of your phys defense cuz ES is phys
and Crit Dive has both of these effects
It's why it's one of her nicest tools to deal dmg
whether "ignore all dmg red effects" also includes the dmg red stat itself that I'm not sure though.
Wish KoG was more transparent as to how far these oddly specific effects can ignore
dusk dock
i think they just leave it like that on purpose to keep us guessing
idk why they would do that but then again, I can see why exactly they don't feel obligated to disclose which is which tbh
empty ore
Whats everyones ERP
mystic elbow
287
warm hornet
187
oblique sundial
190
heavy spear
way too low
charred pine
615
dusk dock
Whats everyones ERP
271
noble pelican
Whats everyones ERP
231? It’ll be 232 once i exchange my hot spring fish
warm hornet
it seems that i'm terrible in 2s pvp.
mystic elbow
well
the good news is
u can practice
and get better at it
as long as you're willing to learn
warm hornet
aye.
mystic elbow
there's also a bunch of ppl u can ask for tips
warm hornet
enlighten me then.
mystic elbow
on who?
warm hornet
well, i'm a CE
warm hornet
and all i know is that spit fire "modded" is her best skill for 2s.
mystic elbow
CE huh
the best person I'd probably ask
is Noir
spitfire is a pretty good skill
CE's downfall iirc is that she feeds a lot w/o doing the dmg output
to back it up
mystic elbow
whats the mystics on the 10 vos
to do 2s effectively you'll 99% need a meta build
otherwise you can just grief ppls games
mystic elbow
not doing dmg, feeding and having no mp cost can lead to what other ppl call griefing
if u want to learn 2s and are ok w/ watching streams @charred pine has been tryna teach ppl
oblique sundial
dont play dem in 2s :)
mystic elbow
dem is good in 2s wym
oblique sundial
thats actually kind of surprising
like ik support and all but i feel like there should be way better
solid socket
piercing ego-? if 2s i think that might be the one possibly
bc splash damage and all
oblique sundial
ah yeh that makes sense
solid socket
ngl, i dont rly 2s that often because i get startled easily
i just guessed because splash damage and that skill makes my life hell in ereda
😔
oblique sundial
piercing ego does 2k for 160 mp, 4k with splash doesnt sound terrible ig
mystic elbow
@oblique sundial u know how to do berthe?
oblique sundial
L
solid socket
F
sacred niche
Whats everyones ERP
A bit late for me but... 172 kekw ||(with no 2nd ERP page/free one was done on a different character)||
empty ore
enlighten me then.
You know this would be a good time to establish some baseline tips for 2v2.
So here are some of mine.
- Understand what role you're supposed to be playing. Frontline or support. If you're double support then one of you will have to be the more aggressive one
- Stop blowing skills when you get a catch, just get mp.
warm hornet
i guess i'm front lines.
dull forum
Support ca
rich quail
Bad news: Infinite MP, Zero-Cooldown hacking Blade Master in S.
Good news: For some stupid reason, he didn't take the Infinite HP / Unkillable hacks, too?
rich quail
Nah, Hypersonic Stab and Rend spam.
abstract yacht
rend of all things
sacred niche
Boi I bet that BM don't like to go brrr but to go zoom instead
empty ore
rend got that nice pause hitstun
abstract yacht
okay but if you're hacking CDs and MP to be none and infinite respectively
what's the point
noble pelican
I haven’t fought a hacker in so longer!
I’m amazed they still exist
Especially in PVP
When I fought someone who had infinite HP, I honestly thought they had better gear than I did 🥲
heavy spear
the only hacker i'd ever encountered was one time in pve years ago, when i was leveling my first ever character (VP)
noble pelican
the only hacker i'd ever encountered was one time in pve years ago, when i was l...
Speed running dgns
abstract yacht
last hacker I encountered was that AD with inf mana who claimed not to be hacking
this is actually stupid, I'm glad I discovered DA can cancel any air command with a dash otherwise I would've taken for granted that the ^X misinput I just did rn would've killed me cuz I had no HP and the opponent was waiting below me
but at the same time the fact that he can do that is stupid lmao
aight, I'm back.
noble pelican
Congrats!
noble pelican
I Love the “You cannot engage in battle here” above the notification
Even the game is telling you, “Take a break from PVP”
cyan quail
No need, queue already does that for you
noble pelican
You right
misty fable
Nice dmg reduction
full yoke
gezzus how?
dull forum
Eclipse/freed shadow shield?
abstract yacht
might just be a bug
real viper
it sometimes happen, abnormal dmg reduction in the dmg detail
not sure what cause it
dull forum
It happens whenever a shield pops that's for sure
heavy spear
prophetess is so strong ugh
willow mural
xxx xxx xxx sticky ink xxx xxx xxx sticky ink xxx xxx xxx sti
noble pelican
Chatter hurts
oblique sundial
Prophetess will put you at a ledge and infinite you there for 20 minutes
gentle trench
My life is so busy rn I feel like I might never log in again
When u guys play against a CC please think of me
😔❤️
heavy spear
one was handing my butt to me earlier today
hollow hound
CE w/o summons vs. CE with summons spam is wild.
oblique sundial
Ces that actually use summons vs innocent is my favorite matchup
willow mural
hollow hound
Ces that actually use summons vs innocent is my favorite matchup
Why?
hollow hound
Epic!
solid socket
so ive heard people do 2/4 violet/duelist for pvp and i was curious which two pieces
sacred niche
All I know for that (since I tried using one even in low reforge and upgrade) for Magical ones, Bottom + Shoes Rigo Violet & Duelist Top + Gloves
But of course, using pure Duelist is still better since, you have to enhance and reforge Violet pieces.
--Unless you're rich and a memer, then go nuts.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
mystic elbow
so ive heard people do 2/4 violet/duelist for pvp and i was curious which two pi...
Usually shoes and bot
Either way just use full duelist
Rigo makes you more tanky but it dont matter when some skills ignore defense 
versed knot
It is confirmed that purple elrianode is the superior armor for pvp!
solid socket
I die regardless so I wasn't sure honestly 😔
mystic elbow
yup so might as well be full duelist n do more dmg
noble pelican
I’m still bummed the phoru growth didn’t have violet as an option for the Rigo cube
I wanted a tank build with max red dmg 😔
rich quail
At least you can bankshare Violet Rigo to all the characters in your account, as opposed to character-locked Duelist armor?
abstract yacht
personally wouldnt bankshare either either way cuz of skill stacks
oblique sundial
i have an ungodly amount of of the little garbage things you need to reforge, so i just use rigo on alts lmao
charred pine
All I know for that (since I tried using one even in low reforge and upgrade) fo...
why bttm shoes? and not top bttm for violet 2 piece?
sacred niche
Bottom and Shoes has more magic attack stat value than Physical, I forgot which combination is for Physical characters (Upper and Bottom I think(?) idk, don't quote me on this one), though it's only raw stat value, but overall recommendation, just go pure Duelist set tbh.
Creating a violet set is semi-costly, unless you are some rich memer.
hollow hound
why bttm shoes? and not top bttm for violet 2 piece?
charred pine
Ah guess i got lucky since i went top/bttm
Got mine to +9 fortunately and just used the punch event rig amulets to get them to 18. Rn they feel on par to full duelist aside from some small dmg loss in exchange for for defense.
But shine prism be nuking folks despite being +10 vos and 550k phys dmg
20% thanks to violet 2 piece + strength ring
12% bttm and shoes on duelist for dissent orb
hollow hound
I need a guide for CE in pvp. I struggle with her. XD
Since I don't have a lot of mp cost resources, it's harder for me.
charred pine
If youre struggling with mp, try stacking mp reduction through duelist set specialization and dignity stones (off board or grinding heroics to craft with glave)
@hollow hound
In the meantime play around with your commands first and find one that either returns alot of mp and/or has low KD rate then see which skill does the most dmg. Most people go for bravery skills but CE may or may not have a strength skill that does more dmg for less
empty ore
XXvX is still one of the easier combos
real viper
I thought XX[>X] ?
since [vX] is the vertical one which look rather weird imo and most Eve that use that command prefer the horizontal one
mystic elbow
anyone wanting some jelmatis fragments
Gimme
warm hornet
XXvX does a knock up from ophilia. and if your attack speed is 110% or less, it won't combo itself.
XX>X is any eve's bread and butter one's you catch your opponents.
warm hornet
I need a guide for CE in pvp. I struggle with her. XD
My dear friend, CE is is glorified gear check and skill check.
Useing summons is a double edge sword. She doesn't have a engage/disengage skill other than the escape skill everyone has.
She can't really snowball damage because your actual damage increase is only 10% for certain skills after summoning.
Eve stepping is a semi requirement to run away and catch people or the alternative fast loop >>z.
Your win condition is winning neutral, which is hard for most match ups because some characters has better tools to run from you, catch you, or brute force with SA.
warm hornet
I need a guide for CE in pvp. I struggle with her. XD
now for some good stuff: her V action skill is a decent self sustain, can activate every 3 seconds for 10mp.
Oberon guard is her panic button, a decent one at least.
Assault Spear Buster has a good amount of time freeze, good for SA punish setups but damage itself is lackluster (make sure you are on the ground because in the air leaves you still for the full animation).
Heaven's fist Sweeper is literally best skill in terms of damage scaling, make sure to stack it if you want to nuke people.
Her V action skill is an SA that can be used during black hole skills and it has an interesting "no hit stun" interaction after getting hit by groggy(basically mash something).
Spitfire has a 50/50 chance to re-catch a mana break on leveled ground, if used when there's no ground directly under spitfire (or slopped), they will mana break as normally.
you can SA chain with "V" action skill after xx>x, zzx, xxz. though it won't do damage but them hitting you back may make up enough mana for you retaliate or you jumping our of their attempt to catch you(make sure you don't move during the "V" action skill to maximize SA duration.
hollow hound
I don't use summons. 💀
warm hornet
as for catching people, you kinda have to be creative and rely on your opponents behavor patters.
anyone that flys, >>XX or (air)>>XX is an decent option, these options will leave you vulnerable for a easy wif punish.
XXZ or ZZX is i decent counter engage tool, as you can chain with "V" action skill and fayner on your oppents attempt to bomb rush ya (and then chain with oberon guard or whatever skill you have ready).
You can >>z to Fayner in an attempt to catching people because Fayner will retain momentum from >>Z and it becomes a semi moving hit-scan.
and remember, every failed attempt to engaging people, you can almost always press "V" to delay an enevitable or prepare a counter attack.
now as for builds... you can chose to go meta. (the MP cost reduction stuff)
Going Tank is semi decent because "V" action skill scales with your HP and summons(2%hp every 3 seconds).
or go glass cannon a pray you'll survive to land a heavens fist sweeper on someone. (or win neutral)
for me, i have my build centered around "surviving" and a comeback gimmick.
utilizing eve's "Core Guard" as mean for surviving nukes to wasting my opponents MP in a risky way.
mystic elbow
im online
mystic elbow
ping me when youre on
^
mystic elbow
Haiqu
knotty kraken
ill be on in about 5
warm hornet
I don't use summons. 💀
i think i just fought ya.
hollow hound
Sorry, I am practicing with a new keyboard. I was pressing wrong buttons. It's not usually like that.
warm hornet
Sorry, I am practicing with a new keyboard. I was pressing wrong buttons. It's n...
nothing to be sorry about.
noble pelican
Stepping with eve is hard
For me, I can’t get the timing down
I do Love >>^< (the extra height)
oblique sundial
i can step with eve on a laptop
ill break my regular keyboard trying to slide my fingers around :(
warm hornet
eve stepping is all about pressing down right after letting go up really really fast.
and then the timing come down to how fast you want to step.
i don't use my fingers to slide from up and down keys, i ended up using two fingers.
my middle and index finger.
the downfall of my method is that is makes it harder for me to step left than right.
and when i try to step left, i try to substitue my ring finger to press down.
cyan quail
I need a guide for CE in pvp. I struggle with her. XD
https://clips.twitch.tv/TemperedPleasantConsoleSuperVinlin-rd7dZ0dJlXSaEnrR for combos, you either want to master this combo or try to stall with XX>X and actives to activate core and spam Tesla Shock off cooldown
As AYS said, you want to prioritize trying to win neutral - usually this results in you spamming XZZ~X (or the Z-string variant) and spamming Fayner during your vulnerable frames
Oberon Guard is a semi-boom that gives you Superarmor to contest, and a lesser known fact is Tesla Flare can also be used as a boom (long timestop frames) instead of just for damage
As for skill stacking it's your call, Heaven's Fist - Pressure is easier to access and overall better for 1v1, whereas Sweep is better for 2s
Although I don't really recommend it, if you do use Spitfire, I advice using it after people are knocked down or during iframes
It can easily catch/recatch them after those frames, and it's actually better for it to miss the most amount of hits possible since it feeds
cyan quail
Although I don't really recommend it, if you do use Spitfire, I advice using it ...
This is why I recommend using it exclusively during either scenario
abstract yacht
Oberon Guard is a semi-boom that gives you Superarmor to contest, and a lesser k...
Oberon Guard also has constant hitbox so it can be used for zoning or keep people stuck 💀 learnt it the hard way
dusk dock
fr
warm hornet
Correction: sitting on top of them to force a skill trade or they get caught trying. but anyone with a good mobility skill can evade entirely or have a skill that last longer than 3 seconds.
oblique sundial
school has given me a break time ot play the worst game ever
loud wadi
unfortunate
oblique sundial
it is 2023 and people still try to use stuns vs cata
celest ore
grats!
gentle trench
Ty ^^
heavy spear
what specialize stats do i want to put on my duelist gear as cata
mystic elbow
crit dmg
mystic elbow
how is there a 1min queue for SS 1s
rich quail
It's a PvE-grind holiday event, so...
dusk dock
Time to grind for ERP
loud wadi
it was 2xs + unlimited stam + unlimited fighters
aint no body gonna do queue till late night
dusk dock
^
sacred niche
👆
celest ore
fake pvp mains
fr
i had a period of time where you couldn't get me to run a dungeon if it meant a free +12
celest ore
i just dont find pve to be as bad as it used to be tbh
sacred niche
We Grand Chase Classic now bois since Elrianode release, chug and special active/lane clearing for days
solid socket
yea pretty much everything outside of 16-2 was dead, and 16-2 was also kind of dead at the end as well
i legit struggled to find a party at the end and couldnt reach my erp goal bc everyone was either in a party or dead 😔
celest ore
~~We Grand Chase Classic now bois since Elrianode release, chug and special acti...
skill damage stacking was a mistake
a horrible horrible mistake
warm hornet
they gotta monetize their game somewhow.
heavy spear
taken me this freaking long to realize i can farm CE's summons for combo points so that i can just apollyon them
just have to watch out for them tryna catch me as i do that
abstract yacht
a horrible horrible mistake
the need to add a stat every region is the mistake
look at what we have now
all skill dmg
certain skill dmg
boss dmg
polarize
adapt
skill tier dmg
cont dmg
and Els works on a multiplicative formula
so every new addition is a massive powercreep
empty ore
Elsword smacked into a wall at Elrinode and went
Screw it we will climb the wall
I miss the when using certain skill tier you gain a stacking buff up to 5 times
Then they changed it to asd and everyone got stupid strong
empty ore
Sometimes in 2v2 you run up against absolute monsters
One of them for me is LibrakirFox
Its a real hard fight if you got no bursts
oblique sundial
To be fair dias always been pretty decent
Bouncing around from top to high tier since release
oblique sundial
Tanky unless they use bloodlust, total gorilla, command damage that puts almost everyone else to shame
Pseudo win condition guaranteed after two neutral wins
All that and I still prefer cata
heavy spear
that moment when you dodge someone's nuke and them hit them with your own
willow mural
you should record it next time
abstract yacht
that moment when you dodge someone's nuke and them hit them with your own
tfw you dodge opponent's nuke
but it's a DA and he has enough MP for his other nuke 💀
Oracle into Riveret, very skillful
heavy spear
experienced that yesterday 
warm hornet
half of the time, i successfully face tank my opponents nukes.
and then win the fight.
glass echo
Couldn't be me
celest ore
you guys have nukes?
glass echo
Only if you're in superarmor
oblique sundial
my nuke costs 20 mp
real viper
abstract yacht
KoG explain?
real viper
it's a rare bug, I think
I encountered once back then when sparring with frens
I think it involved desync and resurrect title?
lavish socket
yea I think its a rare bug that the res title has
rich quail
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen it happen with Blessed Recovery, too.
oblique sundial
love this character
versed knot
Where are them double procs at
celest ore
i was fighting some luciel the other day, forget which one,
but basically some attack did like 114k
but then it also procced double attack
so i blew up from like, an active
knotty kraken
like when i hit someone with my awakening for 70k and double procs
heavy spear
coulda sworn that my ambush double procced on this rv i just fought, though i don't actually know where i'm getting my double attack from
hit for like 90k twice (yes i'm still undergeared)
celest ore
relatable
abstract yacht
coulda sworn that my ambush double procced on this rv i just fought, though i do...
Duelist has double proc on its own. (4ea set)
celest ore
duelist + turbine + is this me
👌
idk how i feel about one off novelty event accessory from years ago being this good in pvp
but whatever
oblique sundial
Where are them double procs at
when i get a vos ill convert this weaon to double attack
noble pelican
idk how i feel about one off novelty event accessory from years ago being this g...
I completely forgot about that accessory until recently. Been using it for a month, and it’s so nice!
Can’t believe it came out 5 years ago….
empty ore
Yall fossils
noble pelican
oblique sundial
dead hands being a boom for like 40 mp is kind of dumb
feel like im playing laby or something
heavy spear
that and air dashes :^)
celest ore
I completely forgot about that accessory until recently. Been using it for a mon...
yeah it's really busted
i mean uhh
its super underpowered pls buff
not tryin to cause any problems here
noble pelican
its super underpowered pls buff
100% agree
heavy spear
i've peaked in my pvp career
lavish socket
i've peaked in my pvp career
Ahh congrats join the rest of the veterans that only playing 2s now
🤣
heavy spear
ok i've truly peaked, for the first time today i beat a tp and da that were the same rank as me
i've yet to do the same for prp but i don't see that happening any time soon
warm hornet
I've only peaked SS with my tank build.
heavy spear
kind of stupid how bluff gives me enough SA to counter dems trying to catch me with abyss swamp
oblique sundial
not your fault that dem is mediocre
heavy spear
cata supremacy.
heavy spear
does bluff have, like, a hitbox behind you? because i think i just beat someone with it
rich quail
considering lu has back coverage on loads of her normals it almost feels like it'd be a crime for her to spend mana and not get full-body hitboxes.
More to the point it does look like Lu swings her claws behind her as part of the skill animation, so yes. Probably hitboxes there.
abstract yacht
considering there are blasphemous amount of commands that can hit the back, I wouldn't be surprised
not even referring to the 4th paths necessarily, Rena's basic Z can hit behind her for once
heavy spear
this rv i just fought whispered me saying he saw my ambush do 222k because of double proc, but here i didn't see it?
is that a thing? sometimes i won't see when an attack double procs?
versed knot
this rv i just fought whispered me saying he saw my ambush do 222k because of do...
Lots of rng things that can procs can be client sided, meaning your opponent can see different things on their end to yours or wise versa. Like you can sometimes see ignite proccing, then another proc'd but way before its CD expires, means that the first one was client sided (yours)
heavy spear
...i see
versed knot
Actually another example being, me and a friend was playing in sparr. I used a single hit skill but he said the dmg was different than what I saw on my end in that same moment
heavy spear
also, if this happens, am i the one lagging? guy seemed like he didn't take any hitstun in the middle of my combo
mystic elbow
also, if this happens, am i the one lagging? guy seemed like he didn't take any ...
no i fought him earlier
its him
loud wadi
classic elswordian moment
abstract yacht
this rv i just fought whispered me saying he saw my ambush do 222k because of do...
Critical can also be client sided btw, which is why it'd be recommended to have it at 100% to not deal with its randomness
imagine tossing your nuke for 800k but the opponent sees 250k thus you don't one shot him
celest ore
oh wow thats actually wild
TIL
so are you saying that basically
your crit rate is parsed on the other player's side but it's not actually synced whether or not it was a crit
celest ore
i never actually considered the rng in this game not being synced properly
it would explain a lot though
oblique sundial
nothing in this game is synced properly
celest ore
Idk what that meant I'm bad at technology terms
basically im guessing that if someone has 60% crit, the other player will indeed register that as 60% crit
but that's it
no attempt to ensure that both players are seeing the same thing within those rates
abstract yacht
if u have 60% crit essentially both clients register that 60% independently from one another
abstract yacht
I register my own 60% and you register your own 60%
but only whoever is getting beaten is the one which matters
me hitting you doesn't matter what I register in my screen when you're the one taking the values to your HP
abstract yacht
this applies to healings too btw, which if you're fighting against something like BQ or EtW
if there's even the tiniest of lag/latency or whatev' involved, they can slap a hit that register on their client and get healed for it despite the hit not registering on yours
what are those kinds of hits called? phantom hits?
celest ore
ya know for being a mmo this game does have some of the tendencies you see in cases of multiplayer being bolted on to existing singleplayer frameworks
celest ore
what are those kinds of hits called? phantom hits?
yeah that's what i've always heard it referred to as
noble pelican
u can check if ur lagging by whispering yourself
didn't know you can do that to test lag
willow mural
learned about it here
noble pelican
i'm testing it in game--that's amusing!
been playing all these years, and never attempted to whisper myself
heavy spear
i assume that the long, awkward pauses that happen when i kill someone with apollyon are also a result of clients registering hits independently of each other
though in that case it's more funny to me
small stream
I miss OLD pvp
warm hornet
when mashing skills during hitstun was a bad idea and you'll burn your skill and mana instead.
small stream
When people ACTUALLY pressed “Z” and “X”
abstract yacht
when mashing skills during hitstun was a bad idea and you'll burn your skill and...
eehhh... mashing was also a thing back then tbh.
not all skills were wasted
not now and neither before
cuz tbh this bug has been in the game since forever.
mashing pandemonium could apply its delay even if cancelled for once
and it didn't go to waste cuz it would store too.
and yes I am speaking of very old days like
2013.
warm hornet
way back then, skills were interruptible during start up, no?
abstract yacht
no.
they were just harder to cuz commands with rapid multi hits werent much of a thing and everyone was just super slow too
but it was very possible to cancel.
lavish socket
it baffles me why ppl get salty at me for lock on....