pvp

[willow mural]

sheesh

that title is a huge handicap

idk

[dusk dock]

its OD as hell

still winning btw

deranked to S rank just to test this tbh

about to be SS today

[willow mural]

od?

[dusk dock]

fighting game term that translates to cool as heck

[mystic elbow]

overdosed but in this context = op

[willow mural]

oh

thankies

gratz noct

[abstract yacht]

Iron howling can unironically be a decent option

does 3k%
breaks defense (+ passive def break as well)
and costs much less

[glass echo]

Btw why do only the 4th paths get new mod skills?

What about literally everyone else? Will they come eventually?

[abstract yacht]

uhm
because everyone got theirs in 2018

[pastel creek]

Because they already have theirs?

[abstract yacht]

4th are receiving what they are missing compared to everyone else

[pastel creek]

Yeah…

[glass echo]

Oh I see

(I've never played a 4th path so Idk)

[abstract yacht]

I mean....

Laby and Noah also came out with incomplete mods too... it's already a known pattern

[glass echo]

I never played them

Also doesn't that just mean KoG is lazy as hell?

[abstract yacht]

but u saw them get mods months after release

[glass echo]

No, I really didn't

[abstract yacht]

:facetime:

in a way yeah u can say is kog being lazy

or KoG tryna excuse that they release "content" by spreading it thin instead

literally 2 years to release 4th paths cough

[glass echo]

Yeah, KoG is whack

[empty ore]

I have never seen this skill do considerable damage.

[mystic elbow]

compared to nova it is not great at all

[dusk dock]

What FGs you play tbh

I got DBFZ, SF6, GBVS, KOFXV, and SG

[mystic elbow]

none

[dusk dock]

Real

[rich quail]

I've got SC6.

[dusk dock]

Street Combat 6?

[rich quail]

Soul Calibur 6.

[dusk dock]

Oh yeah

That game

Forgot all about it tbh

Thats the one with Geralt of Rivera

[rich quail]

Yep. I stick with Zasalamel there.

[dusk dock]

From the hit Netflix series The Witcher

[rich quail]

They've also got 2B from Nier and Haomaru from Samurai Shodown.

[dusk dock]

2B or not 2B

That is the question to mash

[abstract yacht]

I have
it was weird when I saw it but I have
maybe not so good in 2s considering u wanna have nova's splash in 2s but in 1 is weird but interesting take

[oblique sundial]

You're so real for this

[fiery lion]

Undefeated#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gentle trench]

Huh

Bad word

[gentle trench]

Yeah its also way more reliable

I just unlocked my master skill, how to unlock 3rd force passive again? I dont see a quest :c

[abstract yacht]

If u mean thd 3rd force passive slot
stage 4 artifact.

[gentle trench]

Oh leveling the pet thingy

Gotcha! xD

[dusk dock]

@hoary sequoia

[hoary sequoia]

It does exist

[dusk dock]

@willow mural

Help out NapTime

they require Luciel knowlegde

[willow mural]

Wat

[willow mural]

Whaddup

[hoary sequoia]

Ah yes Lu play as CaT specifically

[oblique sundial]

Catastrophe gets slept on

Then you get hit by ambush and reconsider your religious views

[willow mural]

Ye Arnold's ur guy
He knows a lot more bout luciel than I do

[oblique sundial]

i just know the basics

[empty ore]

What do you need to know? Lets start with that

[dusk dock]

@hoary sequoia

[heavy spear]

i wish the latter parts of dem lu's zxxx did more damage

it's such a cool command

[oblique sundial]

Unfortunately the first x the only really useful part

The rest of it can be used to convert off of high ledges, but those only really come up in practice rooms

[heavy spear]

here's my skill loadout for pvp (top) and pve (bottom)

anything i should replace?

[oblique sundial]

swap your nether shredder and stomp

you want the cd reduction and extra damage

[heavy spear]

i completely missed the memo that transcendence slots do that

probably means i should put blanket/invite in those slots too for pve

[oblique sundial]

maybe? idk enough about pve lul

[heavy spear]

ok thats enough pvp for today

i just fought a gen who started only approaching with mod persistent rush when i got him to low hp

[heavy spear]

oh sweet i got my extra ERP page

what's the priority for dem (would like to know for both pve and pvp)

[mystic elbow]

If you’re doing raid u need cdr

Pvp is always gonna be the same

Mpr > Hp > resist > mp +2 > then maybe cdr

[gentle trench]

The henir rewards confuse me a little, I see the shards per floor on the wiki, is this only when u clear the whole dungeon? And can I just keep doing the dungeon as many times as I want and still get rewards? So can I do it 22x on one day and get the 2 legendary skills?

[abstract yacht]

rewards are weekly.

[gentle trench]

Ah too bad

So I can get shards for clearing once a week and I can get the 77 (or something) a week if I go past stage 5 right?

[abstract yacht]

each stage provide a fixed amount of stone for its successful clear
whether you fail or not will not matter and you'll get your rewards after finishing the run to your mail for the respective stages that you cleared

Each stage can only provide their reward ONCE per WEEK
in a case you clear challenge mode up to stage 4 and get beaten on 5
1-4 stages will give you their amount
re-running henir again within that same week will not give you any more rewards for clearing 1-4 as you already beat them
but stage 5 and 6 can still grant you their reward if you manage to beat them before the week resets.

[gentle trench]

Ah gotcha

Damn gonna be a waiting game >.<

I guess theres no way to speed it up for the legend skills then xD

[oblique sundial]

My hate for this game grows every time I see a DA

[high smelt]

https://elsword.koggames.com/the-king-of-elsword-tournament/

Vote for me

I do not plan on holding back.

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[oblique sundial]

Cholly has to deal with jushi round 1

Feelsbadman

[loud wadi]

more like jushi has to deal with cholly

[oblique sundial]

I think cholly is a better player but jushi is more of a pain to play against

But that might be some personal bias

[gentle trench]

Oh pog they still do these tournaments

How do u get qualified? Do you need to be star rank or something?

[gentle trench]

Got my vote! I have high expectations :p

[loud wadi]

essentially this tournament is for the people who won the character ones they held

[loud wadi]

it's not necessarily bias since jushi does an unbreakable FP combo so

[gentle trench]

Oh gotcha so from all classes theres only one

Thats cool ^^

[loud wadi]

mhm

[gentle trench]

Nice

The night from friday to saturday 02:00AM my time, pretty late but Ill be watching haha

What classes would you guys say have an advantage rightnow?

[gentle trench]

Or a disadvantage

[empty ore]

Better start killing drabaki for a chance to drop fog

[gentle trench]

Oh sweet

[gentle trench]

Is it affected by ERP droprate?

[empty ore]

No

[gentle trench]

Gotcha

[empty ore]

Drabaki went on a weird system that they never used again

The more damage you do the higher rank you get. And that equals a higher drop rate bonus.

[gentle trench]

Oh I see

Is it hard to solo?

[fiery lion]

Arkie#1756 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[empty ore]

Nowadays with 8bil hp hes easy as pie

[gentle trench]

Cool 🙂

How good is the droprate? Probably like 1%?

[empty ore]

I'd say 0.1

[gentle trench]

GG

[empty ore]

Its all rng tho

I've dropped 3 fogs in my lifetime, so it cant be all bad

[gentle trench]

Oh sweet

And I assume u dont run it daily right

Or is there other valuable loot?

[empty ore]

5 free runs a day.

Besides the el tear junk you can get drabakis wing. A nice acccessory for pvp. Or random forces.

[marsh plume]

if it makes u feel better clock is on the lower end of need

since hyper accel, haunting, shattered earth and obten usually take the other 4 slots then ur 5th being fog

[gentle trench]

Fair yeah, its also some income I guess

[gentle trench]

Kinda have them already, besides haunting that ones still rare

[empty ore]

Eh not as much as other sources

[gentle trench]

Ah gotcha

[plush adder]

whats the ideal action speed? trying to fix sockets for more mp cost (immortal)

[gentle trench]

Damn just lost my SS debut match to a salty noob who was pissed because I beat him twice… he beat me by wispering me asking why CC doesnt get stun blabla and used it as a free mp feed and catch to beat me

Man really starts picking a fight with me… but I clean sweeped him in spar because he was too scared to lose his % in ranked so its all good

Then complained I used only 2 skills 🥲 I only needed wonder wall and earthquake

How to fight an aisha in a big map? 😵‍💫

[mystic elbow]

You dont..

Who was the salty idiot

[gentle trench]

Cant find his ign back in chat

Ah its ……..

118 wins, I got 138 wins

Rank 1895, Im rank 900 it seems

Haha that ranking site is pretty cool

Hmmm just found his twitch, he seems to take this game pretty seriously so I guess the losses were pretty rough on him. Man is doing 7 hour long streams, Im by no means that serious

Dont wanna give the guy a bad name, I would’ve back in 2015 tho xD

[mystic elbow]

I jus say igns cuz more than likely they a repeat offender

💀

[marsh plume]

r**ma?

[glass echo]

I just say their name because who cares

[glass echo]

Also that was your first mistake, don't be caught chatting during a match

[empty ore]

Ideally over 125%

[empty ore]

You have to pressure them (Making them feel scared) without wasting too many of your resources.

Since your CC take advantage of guard. Aisha attacks are slow enough for you to mash it.

Get your mp, force them to break. Reach with scare chase or mod BW

[mystic elbow]

RYXMA

[gentle trench]

The aisha I was fighting was really educated, kept hitting me from the back so I didnt have a chance to guard 😵‍💫

I think biggest mistake I made was reloading my cannon balls at the start, last match I got her to 50% but I ruined my combo because I had no ammo for guard catch 🥲

[loud wadi]

😱 the magical words

[gentle trench]

B**mi

Thats the ign if what u said was a guess attempt

Maybe I misunderstood haha

[loud wadi]

@dull forum

[mystic elbow]

Nah R**ma is one of the repeat offenders

someone who will whisper u stuff whether they win or lose

they only play the most busted characters tho so who cares

[dull forum]

126 with goe 127 with eclipse

If you have 11 bottoms

U can keep it in that range

Going 128-129 becomes stat inefficient with 11 bottoms

Plus ur elboy it's hard for them to mash

And u also got

Which gives you multiplicative movement and attack speed

@plush adder

[glass echo]

Anybody wanna do some sparring or something? So bored

[heavy spear]

am i supposed to socket all the way to 130% action spd as lu?

because i did

thought it'd make sense cause her commands are a bit slow

[gentle trench]

Hahaha

I sort of cant believe I was SSS in pvp when I was 14 years old, with some not final version +5 henir equips with some random magic stones on my rune slayer with just doing >>zzx and spamming 300mp skills, nothing fancy no X drops no catches lol

Theres almost 300 SSS rank players now, was this amount higher back in the days or something?

[mystic elbow]

it was def higher

a lot of the ppl in SSS are alts 💀

[gentle trench]

Lmao

Once ur SSS tier funded is it easy to keep ur rank? Or do u keep losing it etc

Im currently between S and SS and its a great place to be for my current skill, idm the deranking and ranking up xD

I hope SSS wont be too much worrying about losing rank

And star rank just equals top 30 right? Its not if u get 100% in SSS

[glass echo]

I think a lot of people just stop doing arena once they reach SSS rank

[rich quail]

There is definitely a sharp cutoff in attendance when you go from the full range of SS to even just like, low SSS.

Mid-to-high SSS often ends up being deranking 2s mains, so rank maintenance can get a lot easier once one's up there.

[mystic elbow]

You find the same 5 ppl after SSS

[glass echo]

I wouldn't know 😂

[mystic elbow]

MutantWraith,XlVA, TrashMP if he still played

RXYMA and his many alts

and then a deranker

[abstract yacht]

more like the same 1 person

one time an SS KE that I encountered like, 7 times in a row told me "bro stop queuing you're freaking annoying" and I was just there like

bro Im tryna do my weeklies, ain't my fault SSS queues are dead as hell

[rich quail]

Well, this is disappointing...
Since I started keeping an eye on the stats in February, Ara, Rose, and Ain are the bottom three, least popular characters in the SSS+ bracket.
At least Ara's players are in the mid-teens. Rose and Ain have both stayed in single-digits this whole time.

[abstract yacht]

tbf there are like 10 Rose players to begin with

let alone will there be ones that PvP consistently

[mystic elbow]

Ara goin thru it

[empty ore]

KR or NA?

[rich quail]

NA's ranking page. I've been tallying up everyone at SSS+ at the end of the season and sorting by character.
If I did it by class the spreadsheet would quadruple in size, naturally

[oblique sundial]

Who are the most popular?

[rich quail]

Elsword, Chung, and Raven have so far almost always been in the top 5.

With Chung always being most popular in the top 100 slots.

[oblique sundial]

thats both unsurprising and depressing

[gentle trench]

Dead yeah? So its better to stay SS?

I kinda like where Im at rn

[gentle trench]

Damn really? I didnt know

Must say DA is pretty impressive… 12sec SA I keep falling for and crazy MP gain, also crazy feed tho. Its a bit like playing against aisha in a way but they have to catch u first, but they are very good at catching

Got wrecked by one guy with +9 spar wep like 5x, only once got him below 70% 😂 and I use +11 void

He was very good tho, great catches good combos and good knowledge about everything in general so win well deserved, he even learned me some new stuff

[mystic elbow]

Nah go for SSS, even if it’s the same 5 ppl it’s still good to fight them

[gentle trench]

True they are probably good to learn from

And I bet its not all +11 armor right

Also Cas I checked you on the ranking and ur Surya, my buddy complained about it being weak compared to the other ones and mainly a support class but hes pretty early game, is he right? I havent fought one yet

[mystic elbow]

She is definitely the weakest Ara and is a support class

Her mp burn tech is rly strong since she only needs one catch to do it

But w/o mp burning u just lose the match

Rly good support but requires a good bit of cp for her heal to rly be functional

The good thing about it is her neutral is hot doodoo butter so she’s not rly hard to beat

I don’t rly pvp on Surya tho

I only did matches to try to stream snipe someone

I’m a Shakti main w/ MtM on the side

[abstract yacht]

I mean if u can go for SSS go for it

you get a sit motion that gives you a very fancy chair and a very sassy sit pose

[dusk dock]

^

[loud wadi]

some SSS players are also good practice so

i say some lightly

[dusk dock]

gear

[abstract yacht]

good practice until they pull that 1 hit KO

[dusk dock]

yessir

you already know

that's why as a one-time SSS player

I don't use Mod Conq on my

DB unless its teams

I do have some honor after all

I just shred your HP with my strength skills fr

LOL

[abstract yacht]

I myself try to be humble a lot of times which often bites me back for it
I always try to play as fair as I possibly can and not just immediately jump the gun on my one shot skill

but nobody thinks fair so ppl jump at me with theirs instead

but once that happens I lose all respects and decide to drop my one shot as soon as I can against them if I re-encounter them

[dusk dock]

nah nah nah

you gotta send a message

sandbag and BM

is the way to go

let em know

you can beat them

without bs

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[abstract yacht]

yeah I can and I've done it, beat em without one shots or cheesy strats but it's also kinda disappointing to see when u tryna just have a nice pvp match and they drop that skill
so one just kinda goes "aight you wanna play that way"

[gentle trench]

Ah gotcha ^^

[dusk dock]

hm

i see what you mean

but like

[gentle trench]

Oh damn that thing is for SSS? 😄

[dusk dock]

it's all about fun in the end of day if you ask me

[dusk dock]

yes

i would show you

but 1. game is not up atm

2. new PvP season

am SS atm

[gentle trench]

Based xD

[storm birch]

what are some of the top PVE classes?

[dusk dock]

.

sir this is a pvp thread

[gentle trench]

Haha yeah my best matches where I have the best catches and loops I usually lose 🥲😔

[abstract yacht]

when I'm with my FP (main) I hardly use bullet blitz
cuz Ik how cheap and unfair that thing is
I'm not holding back on that button if you're someone that constantly runs like Aisha or PR tho

[dusk dock]

godlike

what are you coo-

oh

bullet blitz

kills me inside

let me move before you have your oki in a can

zzz

[gentle trench]

Yeah u have to xD

I really gotta learn those new classes playstyle and skills, I still only know the 3 transcendent classes untill add 🥲

[dusk dock]

oh

you play

Add?

[gentle trench]

No Im CC

[dusk dock]

rip

q

[gentle trench]

But I did main add for some time

[dusk dock]

Add is my favcuz

[gentle trench]

LP I think it was

[dusk dock]

he doesnt have an awk timestop

[gentle trench]

Add plays so nice

[dusk dock]

Mod Pulse Cannon

[gentle trench]

I loved it

But kinda squishy

[dusk dock]

thats gone now

iirc

[gentle trench]

Really?

[dusk dock]

HP values are uniform across the board

[gentle trench]

😳

[dusk dock]

correct me if I am wrong @abstract yacht

[gentle trench]

But CC is still tanky?

[dusk dock]

you still have passives and stuff

[gentle trench]

I gotta read those too at some point lmao

[dusk dock]

you really should

know your class

then know the matchup

[abstract yacht]

I kinda wanna grow out of my playstyle though
because of 2 things:
1: how PvP has gotten nowadays where everything is just stupid, no point tryna stand the fair ground
2: My playstyle is not really an "unique" playstyle but outright handicapping myself, I clearly have the tools I just refuse to use them (bullet blitz, one sho or even just gun commands) until I really need them/I'm done with the opponent's bs

but it's just so ingrained in me that I still play the same way unconsciously anyway

[dusk dock]

send link

to how you play

tbh

[abstract yacht]

it's not
they tried to make it less disperse but everyone still has diff HP

[dusk dock]

man

i was lied to

[abstract yacht]

just
less gap between each than it used to be in the past

[dusk dock]

lemme see if i have the one vid

of me

sandbagging for content

[gentle trench]

I should make one soon too

No wait I shouldn’t

Did all this PvE I didnt have time to practice my combos

I dont even do X drops at this point xD

[abstract yacht]

uhh Idk if I have any recent PvP vids
I've not been recording my pvp matches lately

but I'll see

[dusk dock]

found it

pls laugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AnNmLCO95E

[gentle trench]

Sword shield sword shield

Jkjk haha

Good old days

[dusk dock]

1:58 for the second match

[gentle trench]

Pretty good tho!

Im lower SS and u shred me to pieces

Back to work now ;-;

[dusk dock]

NAH

DONT TELL ME THAT

I WASNT EVEN PLAYING GOOD

[gentle trench]

If anyone wanna spar me in +/- 4 hours lmk 🙂

[dusk dock]

CUZ I KNOW THIS FELLA JUST CHERRYPICKED HIS WINS

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[gentle trench]

Guess Im just straight garbage

[dusk dock]

dm me

[dusk dock]

nah if you are garbage, im scum

[dusk dock]

@abstract yacht

[abstract yacht]

hmm the ones I have are rly old ones

https://youtu.be/NbIKB6WRccc 3 years ago
https://youtu.be/NsjKRSeQFdQ 2 years ago

https://youtu.be/bISgTPGim1c

Most recent one I have is this, but in this one I wasnt rly tryna play fair given he tried to camp me out and play MP burn strats
I mean the title speaks for itself I was done fighting w/ him 💀

[dusk dock]

second vid is godlike

not going to bother with the first one

this last one

.

@abstract yacht so Chung is your real main?

[abstract yacht]

yes

[dusk dock]

real

Add for me

but uh

your playstyle

isnt too flashy

or too

brainded

so i dont see the problem tbh

but this is just from the second vid

not a fan of the third one ngl

[abstract yacht]

thing is I play without using much of my tools
when it comes to fighting face to face yes I will throw my actives as needed to bs my way through
like u saw those trades in the FP vs FP I just chained super armor back to back

but when it comes to neutrals

I play a lot like a base chung
I hardly use my guns
which is just basically handicapping myself from tools I possess

[dusk dock]

ok

i watched the first vid

you just like me fr

you holding back like you Spider-Man or something

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[abstract yacht]

yeah

but that does fire back at me in the current pvp environment so I've just rly been wanting to drop it and just go monke and be less sorry for the opponent when I drop a ZZZX > deadly shot

[dusk dock]

i mean

yeah

but like

you will lose a part of yourself that is hard to retrieve back

im not sure if you want to commit to the bit like that

[gentle trench]

W

[dusk dock]

when godlike finna teach you how to Chung fr

on god(like)

[abstract yacht]

hmm I guess not
Since I do believe part of the reason I struggle to change is partially cuz I also still am attached to holding back

[dusk dock]

pls continue to hold back

[abstract yacht]

but there are just those times you kinda just want to like
be like everyone else cuz nobody really decides to play the same way

[dusk dock]

why be like

everyone else

when you are you

tbh

i dont mess with that noise fr

im too unique that way

LMAO

[abstract yacht]

kek

[dusk dock]

1 more min

extension time bby

[gentle trench]

Idm if people use 300mp skills tbh as long as they dont have full +11 and I have no chance even when I catch

[dusk dock]

ha

+11s

what a joke

+10 life fr

ok

[gentle trench]

But if someone just only combos me no skills used Ill make sure to give him a compliment

[dusk dock]

launch the game

update is live

downloading resources rn

[gentle trench]

But I kinda do compliment people even when I win nowadays

Ayyy

[dusk dock]

oh

there was this one time

i got gear carrie

d

for free stuff we get

like

FoJ +10

and duelist gear

.

[marsh plume]

Remember that ur opponent's gear and stats also affect how much you deal/tank in a match

CC has some ok passives like an hp boost and crusader's armor that's rng stackable wep break by like 10% per stack

Today's meta is how much dmg u do and how cost effective is ur dmg

Utility and other small things r nice 2 that make it easier to get into ur pop a bead or pop ur nuke

There's other characters that have passives that r just more efficient and less situational

f.e Innocent

Luciel has a natural layer of can be tanky for 0 reason since they get to hp stack easier than other chars

Cuz their inactive char can use white hp items and have them count towards their general hp pool

Then there's Communication - Duet

Which at 5 stacks of their soul system gives them 20% defense

And is not even hard to stack considering they get souls from abt anything and even have a skill that gives max souls at a chance

Then there's this

Shadow gives them another extra layer of tankiness for negligible mp cost

[gentle trench]

Damn I see

Ty for the info

Also guys I just fought an elesis and she just walked out of my combo when I launched her and another time after my first loop when I used one of my fastest skills, cant be SA. Is this something elesis specific or was she just a lagger?

Pvp is bugged I think

Stole the poor guys win with undying, we couldnt attack

[willow mural]

probably lag, record next time

[gentle trench]

Ah oke :/

[willow mural]

who was it

the class i mean

[gentle trench]

Idk ign was Yucc I think

I only know transcends yet >.<

[willow mural]

the class not the ign silly

[gentle trench]

Yeah idk 4th jobs

Lets see

[willow mural]

adrestia?

[gentle trench]

I think so, but only 60% sure

Cant find her on the rankings

[willow mural]

its most likely lag/server delay

[gentle trench]

I guess the server is a bit laggy atm yeah

[glass echo]

Lag + Elsword, nothing new 💀

[gentle trench]

Am I missing out if I dont do fishing? I kinda dont wanna be bothered with it but I assume it will be something big xD

[empty ore]

Fishing is just another way to level up erp

If you arent above 200 erp. You are going to suffer performance wise, pve and pvp.

[gentle trench]

Ah oke, guess I gotta do it xD

145 ERP now

Whats the best thing to do against a runner? To keep applying pressure?

Its kinda hard because its also a trap >.<

Especially a rena

[mighty drum]

run

[gentle trench]

But Im a chung xD

[fiery lion]

Undefeated#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gentle trench]

Daamn it I wrote a whole text aaaaa

Now its unnatural >.<

[fiery lion]

Undefeated#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gentle trench]

Omg yes! I got my revenge. She was just running and using the homing arrow to catch. I tried to use WW but the SA was just too short… So what I did now was just let her catch me and guard her weak aas combo, then once I was MP fed I used artillery nova to blast off 50% of her HP, then I let her catch me again and I blast her again with artillery nova.
It really really sucks to play like this, its boring and I feel guilty aswell… but I literally had no other choice with this opponent 😮‍💨🤕

[celest ore]

you're just playing elsword

[dusk dock]

youll get over it

[mighty drum]

then barrel roll owo

[glass echo]

Y'all are taking out 50% of someone's hp with 1 skill? Couldn't be me 😩

[dusk dock]

i am

if they dont MB it

which they should

spoiler alert

its not mod conq

LOL

[glass echo]

Ngl Idek what that skill is

[dusk dock]

the one shot move that DB uses

[glass echo]

Is it like a big circle or something

[dusk dock]

ignores 9% in pvp and 90% in PvE

yeah

[glass echo]

Ah, yeah that gets me

[dusk dock]

sorry

i apologize for my class

we shouldnt have this

but we do

i would prefer to use supersonic than mod conq

so i give my opponent a chance to escape

LOL

[celest ore]

i only have one skill that can do it and it only 25% works dw

[empty ore]

LOL amazing

Well done man.

[dusk dock]

mans had eroding energy on in pvp

had to remind them

💀

[abstract yacht]

I once had a DB that missed everything and decided to rage quit :thisisfine:
https://youtu.be/MUvbKG0OtvA

[gentle trench]

Should be 1shot Im weak still xD

[rich quail]

A fair evaluation. Fighter pots can wait. The pink thing has to leave to eat eventually.

[gentle trench]

Ty 🙏🏻

[glass echo]

God that looks like the laggiest match

[gentle trench]

Hahahaha

[abstract yacht]

https://youtu.be/cHIey-SOpAI

then how about a match where random hits happen everywhere but absolutely neither gets to confirm a catch 💀

[heavy spear]

that map is always so weird for me

like i don't hate it but i always play so awkwardly on it

[glass echo]

I hate that map

So garbage

[oblique sundial]

Jc to LA :^)

[mystic elbow]

Been there

Done that

[oblique sundial]

Do it harder

[mystic elbow]

Nty

just cuz u purposely suffer

doesn't mean I want to

[heavy spear]

so i'm very happy with dem but i'm curious, where do they actually stand compared to other characters?

am i correct in thinking they're a solid high tier (in 1v1)?

[dusk dock]

@willow mural am practicing in randoms 2s atm

[willow mural]

👀

gluck champ

ima head to bed

also if any of yall have tips for 2s as fl just

tag me 🙏

[willow mural]

and as for this, id say theyre pretty decent
your neutral is basically praying the enemy runs into lus' zxxx and ciel grenades
where they really shine is their ease in getting combo points, so using swamp is really helpful.

rise up is great for catching, scratch id has decent range. your hardest hitting skills are gonna be shredder/soul infest, though.

[oblique sundial]

at least high tier

personally i think theyre broken and dont lose any matchups other than maybe aishas, you just run a higher risk of getting gear diffed than someone like cata

[dusk dock]

is OnlyNice any good?

[gentle trench]

Best imprint for pvp?

[empty ore]

Imprints are fun! And total ED sink

honestly you can leave em till you have a more permanant weapon

[willow mural]

I have add dmg on mine

And I think mag atk

Still not rlly worth it unless you're stupid or have a lot money like this dumb dumb 👈

[mystic elbow]

I just realized

imprints can be helpful for cp too

get a yellow crit imprint

then idk just put whatever for red and blue

[marsh plume]

don't

don't ever feel guilty about something that's the dev's fault

[gentle trench]

Fair yeah xD

[gentle trench]

Skill issue

Jkjk

[marsh plume]

if u got some goofy mechanic

these other classes have 1

and even when some have 1

others have 2

then 3

[gentle trench]

If I have to believe a salty noob I happen to play the most OP class in the game

[marsh plume]

to the n number

[gentle trench]

So I guess I cant talk haha

[marsh plume]

LOOL

aren't you CC

[gentle trench]

Yes

[marsh plume]

u got guard

u got good defensive tools

know who else does

[gentle trench]

True but only from the front afaik

[marsh plume]

quite literally another 15+ classes

that do that and more

[gentle trench]

Hahaha fair yeah

[marsh plume]

let's say

how much does ur nova cost

[gentle trench]

Aisha can also escape a catch for a little mp

Without my -mp?

[marsh plume]

and how much do you think is it's % damage

no

ur current cost

[gentle trench]

300mp

And I guess -30%

[marsh plume]

yeah ok so

300 mp

[gentle trench]

666% per explosion, I guess its like 5 explosions?

It says multi hit idk tbh

[marsh plume]

this looks like

it's good right

[mystic elbow]

wait what?

[marsh plume]

wanna know

what costs less

and does more

😄

?

[gentle trench]

The other one is 120% mp cost

[gentle trench]

Ignores 50% def tho

[marsh plume]

sword fall costs

200 mp

each sword is

[gentle trench]

Damn xD

[marsh plume]

nearly as much as 1 of ur novas

and you can hit 2 swords

[gentle trench]

What class is that lmao

[marsh plume]

so ur looking at roughly 7400%

Immortal

and mind u

while nova stops mb

swordfall outright denies it

cuz it raw stalls it

[dusky root]

iirc you cant mana break swordfall either 😅

yeah

its really silly

[marsh plume]

you can argue

sure is multihit

but then we have this

[gentle trench]

GG

[mystic elbow]

I'm so glad IMs personality is what causes this

[gentle trench]

So, CC isnt best class I guess?

[gentle trench]

😂

[dusky root]

oh definitely not

[empty ore]

Actually 12%, if you have 100 points into mpr

40%'d due to pvp stuff

[gentle trench]

I must say I relate a lot with CC, I guess we are the perfect match

[fiery lion]

Undefeated#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[marsh plume]

CC is far

from the best pvp class

rn

[dusky root]

yes especially with the addition of fourth paths 😭

[gentle trench]

Im a clunky m.f. myself

[marsh plume]

then we have this

do you wanna know how much this costs

and how many hits it has?

[dusky root]

Is that modded shadow bolt 💀

[gentle trench]

The % is total for all hits right

[marsh plume]

yes.

[gentle trench]

Prob like 10+?

[marsh plume]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[willow mural]

Sword fall is goofy

[dusky root]

oh how horrible its 2 hits and costs like 200 mp

[gentle trench]

@.@

[willow mural]

But if u have hyper accel or something u can escape

[marsh plume]

now here's what's funny

this is base cost

[gentle trench]

Really?

[marsh plume]

let's assume ur fully geared

[willow mural]

Thr top half doesn't hit LOL

[marsh plume]

yes

[gentle trench]

Should I uhh

[marsh plume]

and have

30% mpr right

[gentle trench]

Get that heavy nova?

[marsh plume]

ur novas go to 210

right

like it sounds cool

[gentle trench]

Yeah

[marsh plume]

but then these tools

cost under 150 mp

[gentle trench]

@.@

[marsh plume]

so they end up being online faster than urs

so don't feel bad abt just doing what u have to do

[gentle trench]

I kinda prefer non mod earthquake 👉🏻👈🏻😖

[marsh plume]

cuz these other classes just do the same

or worse

way worse

LOOL

[gentle trench]

So getting heavy and upping cost by 20% is a bad idea right

[empty ore]

On what skill

[marsh plume]

whatever increases ur mp cost

is bad

nova

[gentle trench]

Btw do u guys all run crit -mp stones?

But 50% def ignore

[empty ore]

Crit trait is butt

[marsh plume]

its 25%

[empty ore]

dont use it

in pvp ever

[marsh plume]

50% on pve

25% on pvp

[gentle trench]

Ah so not worth?

[empty ore]

Nope

[marsh plume]

no

[gentle trench]

270 mp kinda tough

Cant use WW and then nova or something

[empty ore]

That why I said try stacking Guardians Rage

Single hit 2.2k%

[gentle trench]

In pvp?

[empty ore]

You can still have nova on your bar as that screw you button

[marsh plume]

nova is 4.7k and has bigger range though

[gentle trench]

Silly question but does it KD? XD

[marsh plume]

nop

[empty ore]

No

[marsh plume]

where's yasu

he's not here

[empty ore]

You'll have to go get em

[gentle trench]

Hes not but I bothered him too much already

[marsh plume]

ah

[empty ore]

Ah

[gentle trench]

XD

[marsh plume]

then ur good

just follow what he says

[empty ore]

Good on you for going to get advice

[gentle trench]

I basically copied his whole build at this point

B>Rosa Lethe cannon

Besides that Im done I think

I mean ereda accessories

And VoS

[gentle trench]

^^

[marsh plume]

all classes run mpr sockets

btw

[gentle trench]

Gotcha

Cool 🙂

[marsh plume]

ur objective is to get close to 30%

or to 30%

[willow mural]

O hay ur hameling

[gentle trench]

Yeah ^^

[mystic elbow]

26% is a rly good amount for void weapon

[gentle trench]

😄

[marsh plume]

it is

[empty ore]

Fr fr

[mystic elbow]

I got 24.5% with VoS

[empty ore]

Also how come no demonic eye or Ice Queen?

[gentle trench]

How much is vos gonna add? 😮

-5% I assume?

[marsh plume]

if u get ur vos and farm it that's another 1.2% if ur using a +11 void

cuz vos is 8%

void is 5%

[gentle trench]

Idk what those are, I just copied yasu without doubting him

[marsh plume]

ur getting 3% extra before the pvp modifier

[empty ore]

I see

[gentle trench]

Pog 😄

[gentle trench]

So only 40% stays?

[marsh plume]

yeah

you'd be getting 40% of 3%

[empty ore]

Ah 2pc flos. ok.

[marsh plume]

so +1.2% mpr

[gentle trench]

It is what it is

Still can get some stuff from my spar gear being unfinished

9,5% crit dmg

[marsh plume]

ur just missing the pve portion ig

[gentle trench]

And 1% mp reduction

Yeah no pve for me so far xD

[marsh plume]

https://giant.gfycat.com/AngelicEmptyAmericancrow.webm

[gentle trench]

But Im berthe ready with +9 elrianode and +11 void

[marsh plume]

yeah

just do ur pve and it should be fine

[gentle trench]

^^

Cant wait for VoS >.<

How much stronger will my nova get?

[empty ore]

Much

much stronger

[gentle trench]

Its at 50% hp now I guess

Doesnt the weapon get like 40% more phys att?

[marsh plume]

its not only atk

its skill dmg too

[gentle trench]

So I guess I become 1/4th stronger with vos?

[empty ore]

At stage 5*

[marsh plume]

from void to vos

ur gonna do like 60% more dmg

in comparison

or more

[gentle trench]

Wowy

[marsh plume]

since it's not only atk

mystics

stages

those add up

[gentle trench]

So from 50 to 70% right

[marsh plume]

it depends

like on some people

w/ a full setup

you could 80% them

then again it depends on gear and passives n stuff

like remember when i mentioned how some characters have

very convenient tools

[gentle trench]

Fair I also had some people who I think had +12 spar armor or something

[marsh plume]

to reduce dmg

like shadow

[gentle trench]

XD

[marsh plume]

on innocent

[gentle trench]

Is there something I could abuse uwu?

[marsh plume]

guard and nova ig

[willow mural]

If only u were cent or fp

[marsh plume]

chung has heavy stance and that's it

[gentle trench]

Fair

[marsh plume]

most of ur other tools are slightly above average or average on utility

[willow mural]

Sometimes I just wanna 😡

[marsh plume]

guard is good at what it does

[mystic elbow]

CC is a pro snowballer tbh

if u can't nuke u can also do that

[gentle trench]

But anyone whos non gear carried SS just hits my back >.<

Snowballer?

[mystic elbow]

recatching

[empty ore]

Yeah cause they dont wanna get guard mashed on

[mystic elbow]

over

and over

[gentle trench]

Yeah xD

But guard is just useful to starting players

To u guys its kinda useless xD

[gentle trench]

Ah I see

[empty ore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoET5hGjRvI
What you said reminds me of this video

[gentle trench]

I gotta watch more yasu pvp at 0.5x speed

Hao2groundsmash?

[marsh plume]

thing is

a lot of people who pvps

[gentle trench]

So far it been kinda useless people still cast skills

[marsh plume]

has been doing it for a long time now

so they get used on what and what not to do vs guard to some extent

f.e i play BL and like half if not over half of my kit can get guarded

[mystic elbow]

I'd give up too

[marsh plume]

however since i've had to learn how to play around it

now i just loop in a specific way to avoid getting guarded as much

[empty ore]

Its a very strong loop. You're getting so little resources while they get a lot of mp.

[gentle trench]

Man a pro CC looks so cool

[mystic elbow]

that long ahh chung awk bro

[gentle trench]

Is awk duration good?

[empty ore]

No

[gentle trench]

Or should I use it for the catch

Gotcha

Alright brb I gotta shower Im drained in sweat from my workout @.@

[mystic elbow]

not at all

awk charge is but u only need DVC and Ring of fury for it

[gentle trench]

Cool

I happened to have those :p

But I dont have to compensate for the dvc -duration?

[empty ore]

No, because ideally you want to awk more

more catches

[gentle trench]

Am I missing something on my stats? Maybe speed or something

Gotcha

[gentle trench]

.

Brb

[empty ore]

Correct me if im wrong, but soul crown is only good on like 1 beaders or laby right?

[mystic elbow]

yea

Add,RH,DA,Laby,Noah, and Ain

can use it

[heavy spear]

i think i have like 20% awk time from set bonuses and accs

feelsbadman

[gentle trench]

1 beaders?

Am I one of those guys? XD

[empty ore]

Naw.

You're an older character.

You have 3 beads that will fill up whether you like it or not.

Though I think you actually have a passive that gives you extra awk beads for pressing skills at a 10% chance

[gentle trench]

Oh lmao

Should read my passives at some point smh

Idm it tbh

I can catch with 1 ball

And then I charge all 3

And I can use my skills without reloading

Kinda sucks when u got full MP but all u can use is guard and wonderwall

Actually without ammo I cant even catch with guard

[fiery lion]

Undefeated#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gentle trench]

That stuff wrecks me on the regular

Someone just closed their game on me during a pvp match :c

Hmmm so I just fought a runeslayer, Im 128% attackspeed and when I catched him with the first hit he was able to catch me instead 🤔 just wisped him and we both think it was attackspeed, I always thought CC was pretty fast for a heavy class honestly, do I have to watch out with normal catches and start doing stump catches or something?

[empty ore]

RM has that ice rune that procs whenever, lowering your aspd

[mystic elbow]

Arkie can I see yer gear

[empty ore]

Sure

[gentle trench]

Oh gotcha ^^

Ty

[empty ore]

https://i.imgur.com/qPTJ9x1.png
https://i.imgur.com/tH5t1eI.png

@mystic elbow

[mystic elbow]

o what I just fought u

twoce

twice*

are u +11/+10?

armor

[gentle trench]

Damn Jushiroh’s equips are pretty crazy… +11 sparring and +12 vos

[mystic elbow]

I just fought the most laggy GS of my entire life

[gentle trench]

:c

[gentle trench]

Should I play like the chungs in the tournament?

MP washing from a distance with cannonballs seems pretty smart

I guess its a way u should play to be up there with the pros

And tbh u cant say its a noob strat as I think all they do seems pretty optimal

Or do they only play that serious in tournaments?

[glass echo]

Dang y'all out here with 20%+ mpr, I only have 4% lmao

[mystic elbow]

thats bc u dont care

[mystic elbow]

its good to play passive

[gentle trench]

xD

Is it better to make one sparring item +11 then to make 2 items +10?

Going by that everything is +9 already

I guess top and bottom +11 is a lot better then making all 4 +10 🤔

1% phys and mag is much better then 1% add dmg right?

[empty ore]

Mpr defines the current meta. You want at least 15%

[gentle trench]

Man is earthquake really not amazing? I got my sparring gear and my skill ring for artillery nova now but earthquake still does a bunch of damage, and the damage buff is so good… plus its a super reliable catch that I never miss

Its better on paper per mp cost vs artillery nova, but I guess everyone manabreaks from it

Still 12sec crazy hitbox and godmode

Not really godmode, but like hercules or something xD

First 2 hits are 330% and 1400%, the other 23 hits are mainly hitstun

And for 140 MP and 3 cannonballs vs 210 MP and 5 cannonballs its really easy to use and early to use, also its so fast that I can use it with guard and its a perfect catch after awakening

Ah I guess its too good and convenient and because of that I dont do the pro combo stuff, because that’s inconvenient… even tho its optimal, if someones at the end of a platform and I use earthquake they lose 30%+ of their HP and I can just catch them while earthquake keeps them from moving, and I can use a cheap loop because no KD and crazy hitbox + dmg buff, but I bet if I do that all by combos and then 1shot them its better 😮‍💨 I gotta step up my game, I think earthquake keeps me from progressing 🤕🥺

[abstract yacht]

I thought they changed this?

[abstract yacht]

then there's Pbullet and Mod Multi Headshot
1 does 1 hit, 25% def ignore and does a max of 5k% (altho 300mp too)
while Mod multi headshot deals 4 hits in a 2-by-2 almost instantly for 3k% giving no reaction to mb and has 50% chance to double the dmg inflicted so up to 6k% for merely 200 mp

:D fun.

[abstract yacht]

Land Demolisher can be an amazing dmg dealing alternative button but you also gotta know if it's worth throwing that or keep saving for nova (or even save the mana to zone/pressure the opponent) based on the current situation

[empty ore]

They changed mod. So everyone went; Eh regular still good lets goo.

[abstract yacht]

b r u h

[willow mural]

😡 😡

[oblique sundial]

When did you start doing damage

[dusk dock]

since blaze wing

LOL

[mystic elbow]

well he's GS n deserved it

[dusk dock]

on god

[willow mural]

that was clean

dont lie

[mystic elbow]

u definitely have plot armor to not have gotten hit by a grenade right then

[dusk dock]

Simple and clean

[willow mural]

I WAS REALLY CLOSE YO BEATING THIS REV!!

I need to use iron body more

[willow mural]

i just flagged this guy im so petty 😭

he flagged me first tho!

[gentle trench]

Jeesas

[gentle trench]

Fair yeah, I get posessed once I see earthquake up, I only use nova when someone fed me enough MP xD

[gentle trench]

Nice one!

How bad is fighting a GS? Its that broken? Because of a skill or because of its combos? I dont think I faught one yet that wasnt heavily ungeared

[abstract yacht]

Its okay to be petty sometimes when you're so fed up with smn
I pull out the arena sit pose when Im done w/ someone
its satisfying, do it if u're annoyed w/ someone :^)

[abstract yacht]

recent update gave him an unpleasantly broken mod
that automatically teleports him to you, inflicting dmg and has a wide tracking range for being merely 100 mp cost
the skill cannot be casted if it doesnt detect anyone within the range
so he also can just mash the button mindlessly until it detects you within its range
getting free catch for dirt cheap cost

[fiery lion]

Undefeated#2424 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[gentle trench]

Damn vvtf

[glass echo]

All classes were not made equal

[gentle trench]

Tonight is the tournament right?

(Its 13:20 over here lol)

[gentle trench]

Who did you guys vote for?

[dusk dock]

My guildie (Rose)

[gentle trench]

Real

Just lost from a genesis because he used that skill 5x to catch

Guy had like left thats the worst thing

Undying shouldve killed him

🤕

Noooooo

I just got beaten to pulp by a chung and he disconnects and I get the win

[marsh plume]

Nyo

Last time I fought IM on 2s they just tanked into a unbreakable SF (no anti mb proc)

[willow mural]

Are you using a skill when he was knocked over?

[gentle trench]

Ah I mean its not like he shouldve been dead dead

Its just that I was so close making it even more painful xD

[willow mural]

Mod persistent rush is ridiculous

You need skills with longish animations, super armor, or obtenebration to counter that, especially if he has mana

Cuz what'll happen is that if he doesn't catch you the first time, hell wait like 5 sec for it to come off of cooldown and then try again

[gentle trench]

Damn 🤒

Yeah I didnt have any mana left at the end from MBing ;-;

What does magic stone of quickness give?

Like in %, because the acceleration one can give 6% action 12 jump 12 move

[willow mural]

I've never heard of that one

Do u maybe mean acceleration

[gentle trench]

Its 200mil

[willow mural]

Sounds super not worth it, but screenshot?

[mystic elbow]

that's super ultra not worth it

[gentle trench]

Not obtainable anymore

Is it better then acceleration tho?

[willow mural]

It gives u 3 stats instead of one

[gentle trench]

Same for dual acceleration right

[willow mural]

But y do that when u can just socket some aspd

[gentle trench]

Im kinda low on movement and jump

[willow mural]

I think the highest is like 3% for each stat

[gentle trench]

So if its better then dual acceleration I wouldn’t mind throwing one on my wep

So its worse then dual acceleration?

Thats 6action 12 jump 12 move

5 12 12 it seems

[mystic elbow]

its

200m

its not worth 💀

[gentle trench]

I mean if its better then acceleration it could save me a whole socket slot xD

[willow mural]

Remember that it's half for armor

[gentle trench]

True yeah

[willow mural]

It's 200m for RNG
You can get like 1% and that would be 200m down the gutter..

[gentle trench]

Yeah that kinda sucks

XD

[willow mural]

I think your best bet is socketing with sages or doing some collection

Dius Aer and twilight give 5% action speed, daybreaker gives 8% jump speed, and anemos gives 8% move speed

You can also try agile synergy too

[gentle trench]

Oh damn true my el search part is non existent

I should make a priority list for that xD

[mystic elbow]

dmg increasing characters first

[willow mural]

Id do the %s first

Maybe something like...

Nisha (phys atk %) > Code: Esencia (phys atk %) > prophetess (all skill dmg) > immortal (brav dmg) > prime operator (brave dmg) > Rune Master (str dmg) > Minerva (str dmg) > Knight Emperor (ten dmg) > Black Massacre (ten dm) > Tempest Burster (active dmg) > Liberator (crit dmg)

[celest ore]

yeah i need more collection myself

[gentle trench]

Ty ^^

[willow mural]

There are more but I don't wanna flood chat

Plus most of them are pretty good

[celest ore]

look into synergies too maybe some are good

though for pvp probably mostly not

[gentle trench]

Ah true synergies

[mystic elbow]

rena synergy is good

[mystic elbow]

he's stacking nova

so he needs bravery

[gentle trench]

I fought a AD who had no -mp cost and fully went on HP sparring and dps for combos and she shredded me to pieces hahaha

Pretty legit build I think

[dusk dock]

how tanky r u