[SPDX] Industries of Enceladus

[tropic egret]

It should be much easier to deal with tho

[hollow grail]

uug yea

all i can say re: that issue is that i just can't replicate what you're seeing

[tropic egret]

Damn, my game goofy

[hollow grail]

like absolutely can see the excavators popping open, that's basically par for the course, but the clipping and chunks phasing out of excavators i don't know what could be causing that

[tropic egret]

It is very strange

Would it be possible to make the excavator stronger?

As in less likely to open

It could solve the problem

[hollow grail]

yea maybe

i'll see

[tropic egret]

Pog

Another possibility is that maybe the RPs function is doing something

Cause this is happening after the chunks have been in my hold, having their water content reduced

But then it would affect MPU units as well

[hollow grail]

my hope is that the rework will fix a lot of the Buggs' Baddstuff

[tropic egret]

Hopefully

[hollow grail]

yknow something i have noticed is that the cargo bay area - the one responsible for easing forces - extends into the excavator

it's possible that i'm fucking something up and i don't even realise it

but agh. i just don't know what. hopefully my new imp will remediate things

[tropic egret]

That is possible

It would explain why it just glides out

[hollow grail]

yeah

hold on let me pull up the file... whenever godot loads lol

[tropic egret]

Sure thing

I shall put my dive on hold

[hollow grail]

eh don't, i just mean to demonstrate

you can see the shape here

see how it extends into the beak? it goes a ways in since it's designed to work with drones

[tropic egret]

Do the gaps contribute to anything?

[hollow grail]

they do not

[tropic egret]

Maybe the hold itself moves

When you do certain manoeuvres

Whch would explain why they slide on when doing certain movements

[hollow grail]

no, not likely. it's firmly cemented to the collider

sorry, ship

like, when a collider is part of a rigid body (like a ship), it moves with it

[tropic egret]

Damn

[tropic egret]

Yeah, the issue with the .1 version is the chunks popping out the side of the ship and in the spots before

I would say it's not as common as the .2 problem

But still there

Lol, nevermind

Just had half my load fly away

[hollow grail]

maybe it's a win11 thing
ive legit never had this issue and never seen it come up, and nothing changed it recently

which is what makes it so frustrating

[glossy bloom]

I think it's simpler than that

it's the dynamic temporal simulation simplification

when your CPU can't keep up with whatever physics framerate you have set up, the game compensates by lowering it dynamically, but that reduces precision. This makes it possible for small/thin enough hitboxes to pass through each other, if they get beyond each other's halfway point within one frame

this is always possible, with non-continuous collision checks, but becomes more likely the fewer physics FPS there are

[hollow grail]

sigh... of course

what i'm hoping with my revamp is that the colliders for things like the RP25 and other aux units will be massively simplified

and hopefully ship colliders too

[tropic egret]

Tho it was happening at high FPS

[glossy bloom]

high fps != high physics fps

the graphics process interpolates physics to give you a stable framerate

[tropic egret]

And my computer doesn't struggle to run the game

[hollow grail]

with DTSS

[tropic egret]

I had my physics FPS on 120

It's on 75 atm

So would turning off DTSS help at all or nah?

[glossy bloom]

right, but DTSS adjusts that automatically to compensate for the CPU not keeping up

[glossy bloom]

it would at best do nothing and at worst make the game choppy

[tropic egret]

Let's go

But yeah, I could turn my P FPS up to 144 and probably still see it happen

[glossy bloom]

that probably means your CPU can't get to 144 physics fps

and DTSS is lowering it

[hollow grail]

no longer my problem, thank god

just annoying

[tropic egret]

My computer doesn't struggle at all with the game that I've seen

[glossy bloom]

That's because DTSS makes it not struggle !

turn it off and check if it still runs as smoothly - if it doesn't that means DTSS was lowering the simulation precision

[tropic egret]

I shall check that

[tropic egret]

Too real

Even being careful isn't an option

Which is the most annoying bit

[hollow grail]

lol how'd you think i feel

[tropic egret]

Tho it's weird that it only happens when I combine the mods

Maybe there's an interaction that tanks the P FPS that I haven't seen

[hollow grail]

mods naturally would

we change a lot of things

[plush topaz]

that's the risk of playing with mods in general, things get funky every now and then

[tropic egret]

Welp, time to test

Well, the game is running fine so far

This is at 60 P FPS

And it did just dribble some out the front

No frame drops or anything

Gonna bump up the FPS to see if anything changes

Both the normal and P (Just to see)

Actually managed to get a really good video of it

FPS 60
P FPS 75 (Any higher causes the regular frames to drop too much)
No DTSS

The shimmying is the best way I can get them to slide out

It's like an ant queen popping out eggs

Tho this is on 25.1

I should test it on 25.2

[glossy bloom]

the colliders on the beak might be too thin

[tropic egret]

That was a fix on 25.2

I'll have to see if they prevent the sort of leakage I captured there

So far so good

Nothing has popped out

I managed to get some to pop out the sides

I had to something really specific tho

Okay, now I'm super confused

It's like there's not enough room in the beak and they just jitter till they escape

Same settings as before on 25.2

[hollow grail]

can't really do anything about it until the revamp releases

[tropic egret]

Sadge

Any ETA for it?

[hollow grail]

when it's ready, basically

it's a lot of work but i'm making good progress

[tropic egret]

That's good. Happy to test the shit out of it when it's released

[vagrant topaz]

jesus christ, the BBW does not have stability for the life of it when it has its ore hold half full even

[hollow grail]

it's very forward-weighted

i'd suggest using torches with variable thrust

[vagrant topaz]

im using the pinch fusion torch

z-axial

[hollow grail]

and you're not browning-out your grid?

[vagrant topaz]

nope, using the 2GW APS

[hollow grail]

lol that works

[vagrant topaz]

its fucking great

[vagrant topaz]

sigh, i wish that the game deleted ore chunks that went like 10km - 20km from the player, i think ive got so many chunks floating around its lagging the shit out of my game

[glossy bloom]

It does delete them

I'm pretty sure when a chunk leaves the simulation range it's almost immediately deleted

[vagrant topaz]

huh

[vagrant topaz]

how much does the simulation range slider in the setting increase or decrease ?

[glossy bloom]

it depends - it scales with performance

I don't know the exact values

[vagrant topaz]

alright

[hollow grail]

after a while things get laggy, esp tabbing in and out

[vagrant topaz]

alright

[hollow grail]

huh, the AT K225 is weirdly skewiff

the thrusters are mismatched with the pipes, the collider's all sorts of wonky
i'll work on that and see how she fares ingame

[edgy night]

so, was away a few days, what have i missed?

[hollow grail]

a bunch of releases and a pending overhaul

[vagrant topaz]

i dont know why but the ore is having a little hard time getting into the MPU smelting area and getting processed on the BBW, noticed it when i was using the -starbus MSU

nothing super major, just a bit annoying to have to jolt the ship around to get the ore processed as the ore's mass throws the ship around a lot

[hollow grail]

another for the rework

[vagrant topaz]

thx

doing god's work like always

[hollow grail]

tragically only have the one body tho

[hollow grail]

exciting news: aux equipment is now actually fucking working
UUUGH

[tropic egret]

Let's go

[hollow grail]

progress being made for the sake of progress

i don't like that i'm using pin joints to attach the aux modules to the collider

i'd much rather use areas but i haven't had any success

[vagrant topaz]

man i cant wait for the rework, exited

[vagrant topaz]

man, i wish that there was a option to swap the excavator head with different heads, so like for now either excavator or grinder

but more in the future

[shy zodiac]

that would be cool

[vagrant topaz]

yea, lets hope it might be possible after the IoE rework

[hollow grail]

i'm sorry to say but that's a lotta wishful thinking

maybe -but it would require me rewriting the way the excavator is loaded, positioning the excavator for every single ship model, making sure the collisions work...

[vagrant topaz]

oof, fair enough, tho would it work if its ony for select IoE ships ?

[hollow grail]

same problem

and that would be harder considering i'd then have to only limit certain ship types

[vagrant topaz]

yells in the background "dammit"

[shy zodiac]

can the frigate spawn as a derilict?

[vagrant topaz]

im sorry for being a pesstering ass but i just want a grinder on the BBW so damn bad

[hollow grail]

it cannot

[shy zodiac]

jeez imma need to save a ton then

[vagrant topaz]

or is it a fitting issue for the head ?

[hollow grail]

i could do that ig

how big

[vagrant topaz]

?

[hollow grail]

the grinder

how big

[vagrant topaz]

oh, 2x the on base size i guess, should be big enough, right ?

also, wouldnt it be possible to have the head be diffirent when its in the shop ?

so sometimes it will be with the grinder and sometimes with the excavator ?

[hollow grail]

i mean, sure

i don't really see the point but sure

[vagrant topaz]

im yea, most might not care but id be a nice touch

again, sorry for being a pestering ass

[hollow grail]

i should say i don't really care for the idea of swapping out excavators

just not what i'm aiming to do

[vagrant topaz]

thats fair, but having the shop ship give a random spawn of if its a grinder or excavator wouldnt be that bad, right ?

[hollow grail]

oh god you don't even know

the excavator and grinder are baked into the ship scenes

as in, the game doesn't put them there - they are there

hand-placed

[vagrant topaz]

WHAT !?!?!

why ???

[hollow grail]

i dunno

[vagrant topaz]

bruh

welp, nevermind then, i dont want you to kill me over the grinder if its going to be that assanine to do

[hollow grail]

glad we understand one another

i mean even just adding a variant would be weird

[hollow grail]

man. just running a dive with the new framework and the performance is incredible

i guess it was disgustingly bloated

[graceful oasis]

good to hear

excellent news for people like me running intel graphics

[tropic egret]

Looking forward to testing it out

[hollow grail]

i think one of the biggest improvements is gonna be in my collider optimisations

like, rn the game's colliders are a bit all over the place... no offense meant to the devs, they work hard and have more stuff to do

but also MY colliders were all over the place

i was basically just adding colliders to ships, massively increasing their complexity and hampering my ability to actually create new cargo accessories - they were literally custom for each ship model, and the collider would be stretched around like a box since i didn't have the code that now supports collider mirroring

so every ship had incredibly complex colliders for each aux module and it was an awful solution

my current solution is, i like to think, fairly elegant: just a slot that i can instance how i please containing all the massively simplified colliders with mirroring

also something i'm really happy with is my implementation of ship replacements
i want to keep scene replacement to an absolute minimum, so the SHipyard loads my little replacement vessels instead of the game's vanilla ones, which means there's hopefully minimal inheritance fuckup shenanigans

[tropic egret]

Maybe that'll help with the weird interactions with chunks as well

[dusk bay]

Soo, do the cargo bay accessories have any kind of collider currently?

got the Rasamama RP-25 but I don't see it actually doing anything, also, don't have an MPU either so that might be why

[hollow grail]

for the current version? yes, they're usually mounted at the top of the bay

the RP-25 fairly slowly converts water on ore chunks to remass

[dusk bay]

Hmm, should show up in teh bay then, guessing that other mods could likely break things horrbily

And yeah, exactly the kind of thing I wanted it for

[hollow grail]

what mods are you running? which ship?

[dusk bay]

K37, and pretty much all the mods from the gitlab repo, and for whatever reason I decided to attempt to play with this and ZKY at the same time

WHich is likely a t=errible idea

But hey, I want to see what breaks lol

[hollow grail]

yeah i assume something replaces the k37 in one of those mods which then voids my changes

[dusk bay]

Probaby ZKY

[hollow grail]

idk how dramatic ZKY is but sounds like it

[dusk bay]

Its.... probably more than yours lol

https://github.com/ZakrinYoran/ZKYs-of-Saturn/blob/main/ZKY

This thing

[hollow grail]

oh yea lol

yeah that looks like dramaaaatic changes

[dusk bay]

For some reason it looks like it only modifies the existing behaviours, but not the ships themselves, so I mean, in theory it might just be compatible

I'm gonna experiment

[hollow grail]

i mean i replace all the ships currently in the game and my clumsy-ass implementation means that they're all really fiddly

i'm hoping in the upcoming 1.0 that i can change that as much as possible

[dusk bay]

Wait, 1.0 was announced?

[hollow grail]

speaking of, it's coming along really well
yet to add the cothon, OCP, kitsune and... i think that's it for vanilla ships
need to rework the customs too

yeah i'm working on a 1.0, rebuilding from the ground up

[dusk bay]

OOOhh the mod

[hollow grail]

lol ya the game's way past 1.0

2.0 is due eventually

[dusk bay]

I've only just got back into it from like a 2 year hiatus

Haven't played since before the new ships were added

[hollow grail]

the Kitsune, or OCP?

[dusk bay]

Yes

[hollow grail]

man, yea thats a while lol

[dusk bay]

Much better response lol

Just, yes

Diging in the files and quite honestly, so far not seeing anything jump out at me that "Hey, I'm replacing this ship lolk"

Buutt that's also just from looking at file names, haven't actually pulled open any files

[hollow grail]

maybe change ZKY's priority to like 10

that'll be in the ModMain

[dusk bay]

Was thinking of trying that just to see what happens

[hollow grail]

or -10 if that doesn't work

[dusk bay]

HMm, does the game load loose files or JUST .zips?

Just wondering if it's safe to leave a random folder in the mods folder lol

[hollow grail]

it doesn't load loose files, no

just the zips

very convenient

[dusk bay]

Very

I bet it has somethign to do with how the zky mod adds new minerals

Hmm, both mods modify the weaponslot.tscn file

[hollow grail]

yea that's the hardpoint system

basically everything to do with how hardpoints work

[dusk bay]

I'm going to take a wild guess and say that's the source of the issue right there lol

Well, nice thing is SZKY lets you config a ton of things

Like disabling the additional equipment it adds

[hollow grail]

well cargo accessories are handled by colliders that exist within the ships themselves

ideally they shouldn't be getting disabled by things unless something is directly overriding my changes

[dusk bay]

OK yeah then there shouldn't be any issues there

Wait, I just realized, it would be extremely silly for that file to be completely overridden instead of just added to by the mod loader

[hollow grail]

inheritance magic

it's part of the reason my rework doesn't actually replace the base ships, but still replaces them

a bit mind-boggling i know, but when ships are loaded, they use a little piece of code in Shipyard.gd which loads a bunch of files into a dictionary
the new version overrides that dictionary

[dusk bay]

OH

sneaky

[hollow grail]

an issue with replacing ships is that subsequent inheritance loads them... and then fucks up

[dusk bay]

Lets see what happens when I load a save that no-longer has the mods it was first saved with lol

[hollow grail]

so if you have a ship that replaces another and then you inherit from the replacement, its hardpoints wig out

i learned this the hard way with my OCP variants

[dusk bay]

Weird thing is, as far as I can tell ZYS dones't replace anything

SKY woops

[hollow grail]

maybe it's a different mod then

[dusk bay]

Do mods kind of get stuck in save files, a-la-skyrim?

[hollow grail]

they get stuck in ship configs if they add more slots, but the save system is very well-made

it doesn't save your ships as objects, just little configs of parts

then when you load em it just pops em right back into existence from those configs

[dusk bay]

And disregards things that no longer exist?

[hollow grail]

as long as there's no valid slot to load it'll just skip it

valid slots being defined by Upgrades.tscn

[dusk bay]

Well, lets see if seting ZKY to load after your mod does anything silly

So far so good

I wonder what broke in ZKY though lol

[hollow grail]

and the RP25 is appearing?

[dusk bay]

Yep, as it's collider

Same with the baffles

[hollow grail]

excellent

curious that it'd break it

[dusk bay]

Oh now THAT is weird

ZKY's silly stuff has a custom HUD for the long ship, and it's broken

[hollow grail]

yea i noticed that

[dusk bay]

That's just weird that would break

[hollow grail]

well it's unimplemented

[dusk bay]

How so?

[hollow grail]

it's just not implemented at all

nothing exists in it

[dusk bay]

Weird as without your mod there, works fine

[hollow grail]

ohhh, that one

[dusk bay]

Yeah, just, weird

[hollow grail]

yeah that's weird

lol jinx

[dusk bay]

Meh, I don't plan on using that hud anyways, kitsune HUD all the way

[hollow grail]

kitsune hud is great on pure data and readability alone but i prefer the OCP

even with its weird rotating thing

[dusk bay]

I haven't really played with it yet, I primarioly like the multiple lidar windows

[hollow grail]

the visfeed?

[dusk bay]

That too

But I mean the twin windows on the right side

It's such a good feature to have

[hollow grail]

man i havent used it in a while

[dusk bay]

Well, I for one have zero clue why anything woud prevent a hud from loading

[hollow grail]

i vaguely know what you're talking about tho

[dusk bay]

SO I'm not gonna qeuestion it lol

[hollow grail]

that's the trioptimum way

[dusk bay]

WEatch relaunchign the game fixes it

Yay heisenbugs!

[hollow grail]

bless you

[dusk bay]

Oh you know what

I bet that you modifying the K225 breaks teh K222222222225

[hollow grail]

that sounds about right

[dusk bay]

And if the ship breaks, the HUD, since it's probably implemennted by the ship, breaks

[hollow grail]

since it inherits from the 225, the 22222222225 would have issues

[dusk bay]

Yeah

[hollow grail]

sounds right

[dusk bay]

Darn, I really wanted to play with that ship lol, I like silly things like that

I wonder if I were to break it out into it's own mod, and then have it load before yours, if it would work....

[hollow grail]

careful not to anger any spirits

[dusk bay]

Or, do something sillier

Move that mod into yours and make it load prior to your stuff loading

[hollow grail]

god is displeased

[dusk bay]

THe tetris god?

LIIINNNNEEE PIECE

[hollow grail]

https://tenor.com/view/piece-line-god-angry-and-gif-23972352

[dusk bay]

Honestly I think that might be the easiest way of fixing it

Could simply add a single line to your ModMain and copy the foler into yours

just load it before you replace the upgrades.tscn file

[hollow grail]

make sure you set up Shipyard.gd with the extra ship tho

else it won't load it

[dusk bay]

Oooh, thanks for the heads up

Honestly, too much work for somethign silly

[hollow grail]

the file is pretty intimidating i agree

[dusk bay]

THis is why I like the way you mentioned you're doing 1.0, instead of editing the existing ones, sounds like you're cloning them and then disabling the originals

[hollow grail]

essentially yeah

[dusk bay]

Like, it makes sennse to me, but I'm jsut too lazy to do it lol

[hollow grail]

better cross-compat

[dusk bay]

100%

Honestly reminds me a ton of creation kit, in how it handles enheritance

[hollow grail]

and! i'm hoping to change like. all the colliders. lmao
optimisations for better performance i guess

a lot of the colliders are all over the place

[dusk bay]

Now that stuff is not my forte at all lol

[hollow grail]

essentially the game doesn't build what's called a concave polygon as it is since it uses methods of detecting collisions that'd be really expensive to calculate with them

[dusk bay]

Was assuming as much

Explained the multiple colliders

[hollow grail]

it builds multiple convex polygons! which are the colours, yeah

[dusk bay]

Since most physics engines HATE concave objects

[hollow grail]

oh yes

[dusk bay]

Take X4 for example, IIRC they were using bullet before

THey actaully went and changed physics engines for version 6.x

Now TAHT was insane they did that

[hollow grail]

i didn't know how much physics engines hated concave objects until i started working with games. no wonder they just don't let players put things in pots and stuff

[dusk bay]

I take it the fewer collider zones, the better

[hollow grail]

yeah

since most ship colliders are continuous detection they use cast ray methods

[dusk bay]

COuld REALLY easilly eliminate 2

[hollow grail]

oh?

[dusk bay]

One sec, doing a horrible hack job in the snipping tool

[hollow grail]

lol

[dusk bay]

Which honestly is FANTASTIC for this kind of thing

Ok, my thinking is that somehow, the wall needs to become a sinlge zone

But there's that slight issue at the back of it

Also means that the wings should be able to become a single collider each instead of 2

Ehhh

No, never mind, concave

[hollow grail]

i see yr reasoning but i did end up simplifying the collider a bit more

[dusk bay]

Same results

You've eliminated 2 collider zones 😛

Yeah your's is nicer

[hollow grail]

i've always disliked the cothon's collider

it's so lop-sided

[dusk bay]

I've never flown it lol

[hollow grail]

like hold on i'll pull up the original

[dusk bay]

I see what they did

THey used automated tools exclusively to set it up

[hollow grail]

i mean i wouldn't know

[dusk bay]

probably some script that takes a single outline and subdevides it into multiple, non-concave objects

Perfectly valid way to do it IMO, but you gotta go in after and make sure there's no weird things like how it's asymetrical

Mind you, I can see why it is

[hollow grail]

i'm giving it some love at least

[dusk bay]

Just don't fall into the trap of oversimmplification

[hollow grail]

yea no worries

making it too simple would take some of the fun out of it, but i like it not being utterly crooked

[dusk bay]

I meann, it's teh cothon, it's shit

[hollow grail]

i've always liked how goofy it is

it was made for the asteroid belt

god forbid anyone flew this thing in space

[dusk bay]

lawls

Also, WHY WONT THIS ROCK BREAK, my ship wont nom it

I don't want to shoot it

[hollow grail]

try really crunchetising it

[dusk bay]

I did

It cromched

[hollow grail]

between the tips of the beak

[dusk bay]

omg lol

THis got me a ding

[hollow grail]

PANG

[dusk bay]

Dammit I lost the screenshot

Yay for clipboard history!

THat got me a ding lol

Should have flown back like that lol

YOu know how dogs get when they find that one REALLY BIG STICK

Yeah, like that

[hollow grail]

funny idea: flyable obonto

not at all flyable

no i'm not doing that

[shy zodiac]

do it

just make it really shitty and rare to spawn in the dealer

[hollow grail]

lol 400 crew or something

[subtle schooner]

I tried to follow these instructions but no new components are showing up in the shop. How do I know if I've installed it properly?

[hollow grail]

did you extract the zip to the directory

[graceful oasis]

i think you can leave it as a zip, mine is left as a zip

[hollow grail]

if so, don't do that, just put the zip in there

[subtle schooner]

No I followed the instructions and dropped the zip in

[hollow grail]

okay, fantastic

and you put --enable-mods in your launch options?

[subtle schooner]

https://i.imgur.com/Q1Dlx9D.png

Like so? No secret quotation marks or anything?

[hollow grail]

nope, that looks good

[graceful oasis]

then restart the game and it should work, and i would highly recommend making a backup of a save if you're planning on using a preexisting save

[subtle schooner]

Do I maybe need to leave the station and come back to see the new MPU's ?

[graceful oasis]

you need to restart the game entirely

[subtle schooner]

I just so want an MPU with internal baffles so I stop barfing so often

[hollow grail]

it should just be a plug-and-play thing, just make sure you've restarted the game ya

[subtle schooner]

and I assume this is correct too?
https://i.imgur.com/KhujMQg.png

[hollow grail]

all looks good yeah

[subtle schooner]

Still nothing new in equipment zone 😦

[hollow grail]

that's weird. what ship are you running

[subtle schooner]

Pelican

more like... Pelican't get mods to work

[hollow grail]

yea then you should see the new stuff
hm

lol

do u mind sending me your dv_log0 and engine_log in your appdata/dV/logs folder

[subtle schooner]

oh look at that, it even mentions your mod loading

So at least we know it's loading, the game sees it

[hollow grail]

ohhhh
you must be running an old version, hold on

i remember fixing that ages ago

https://github.com/spdx-github/IndustriesOfEnceladus/releases/tag/0.25.1

here
i prefer this version since .2 kinda messes with some colliders and i'm not sure about it

oh wow you were running 0.1.0 LMAO

yeah no wonder, i'd only just started

[subtle schooner]

Ah, someone linked me that specific old version

won't name any names lol

[hollow grail]

lol yeah i should peg the latest release to the top message

[subtle schooner]

I bet the modding scene would take off more if we had workshop support

[hollow grail]

lol ya

easy distro at least

[subtle schooner]

wait is "cargo accessories" a new thing you added or was this tab always here?

[hollow grail]

it's entirely custom

[subtle schooner]

oh god good because for a moment I thought I could have always been adding extra custom bay stuff

This is how vanilla should be. More customization.

You want baffles? you get baffles

[hollow grail]

oh yes

and i'm currently working towards a 1.0 release which'll rework a lot of the architecture from da ground up

[crude steppe]

Literally README, but who am I to tell you to read it.

[subtle schooner]

didn't see a readme when I looked at the file before

[hollow grail]

yea it's on the github now

not in the releases anymore

[subtle schooner]

how do I get the github normally? I don't see a pinned link or something

[hollow grail]

https://github.com/spdx-github/IndustriesOfEnceladus

[subtle schooner]

But that link isn't otherwise easily findable here in discord?

[hollow grail]

yea i can't pin it

i put it on the top message at least

[subtle schooner]

oh weird how come you can't pin? Something to do with threads?

[hollow grail]

yea i can't pin on threads

could try umm

no... worth a shot

[subtle schooner]

RIP

[hollow grail]

i'm not just working on revamping things btw with this release, i've also added some new fun things

comically powerful directed fusion detonation engine

[crude steppe]

Only 45 m/s acceleration? 😴

[hollow grail]

such is the price you pay i guess

incredibly efficient, incredibly power-hungry

middling thrust

better than a k44 i guess

[hollow grail]

might have a release out tomorrow....!!!

i need to test things and make sure my new imp works properly

but, exciting

just a warning, updates will require unequipping some custom equipment since a few of them are renamed and the aux equipment has been entirely reworked

[hollow grail]

considering making a workaround for the prospector placement issue and calling the dict "stupidFuckingGoddamnMotherfuckingShipDictForTheGoddamnInheritanceProblemIKeepHaving"

i love inheritance i hate inheritance i love inheritance i hate inheritance

[graceful oasis]

it works miracles then proceeds to throw you in a pool of broken glass

[hollow grail]

its a miracle and a curse

[tropic egret]

Looking forward to the update

[dusk bay]

DO IT

You know you want to, make it something of a collectable, yeah, it's shit, but its a fucking obonto

[dusk bay]

Fuck.

Yes.

I want more of this silly shit

[dusk bay]

Hey, at least it's not weird javascript polymorphism

[dusk bay]

Oh gawdd, just had a thought, the racing ship with the NANI as engines

[tropic egret]

Have you thought you nerfing the RP-25?

It's stupidly good for its price

Maybe keep it the same cost but reduce its effectiveness

Or increase the cost a bit and slightly decreased its effectiveness

[crude steppe]

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[tropic egret]

I like how the ship groans at the end of that, lol

[hollow grail]

well i've thought about that! i class it as 'entry level' hardware, like you can afford it pretty early on and it's fairly good but compared to other hardware you could do better, yknow

it's basically like the RA mpu, usually the first you'll ever get with massively limited ability but a fair price. compared to other modules you could do better though, that's what i'm trying to push

[tropic egret]

Maybe the remass effectiveness should be lowered a bit

Well, could

To like 15-20%

Cause it's very effective at keeping you full

Or it could be more power hungry

To show it's just a cheap inefficient thing that you'll want but gives good reasons for upgrading

[hollow grail]

tru tru, i'll think abt it

balance is something i tendn't mind or really care about but i know how it can affect gamefeel

[tropic egret]

I was thinking of making some changes myself to save you having to spend time on it

Cause yeah, making things fun is more important

And everyone's fun is different

[hollow grail]

i'd say it's pretty easy with replaceScene and mod priorities

with the new version cross-compat should hopefully be maximised on a replacement level, BUT the Upgrades.tscn has been extensively modified with special inherited blocks so you'll need to make patches to modify them

[tropic egret]

You're dropping a new version soon anyways, so I'm just gonna wait till then

Just gonna figure out how dV modding works

[tropic egret]

The lack of documentation for modding is rather not fun, lol

[hollow grail]

i'll help with that, hopefully

maybe a "getting started with dV modding" section on the wiki

[tropic egret]

Is it possible to change the trade-in price thing?

Or is that hardcoded?

More just a curious question

[hollow grail]

yeah, so you'll need to modify the actual object

Upgrades.tscn and its associated nodes contain initial price whereas the object itself contains its replacement price

so if you wanted to change the tradein value of... i dunno, Aux_ModuleXYZ, you'd need to open its relevant .tscn, change the value, then update the value in Upgrades.tscn (if you wanted to)

[tropic egret]

Pog

Tho

Obviously I decompiled it wrong

This is just decompiling your mod

[hollow grail]

you need to place IndustriesOfEnceladus in the decompiled game

[tropic egret]

Ah

[hollow grail]

like, decompile it, then pop the folder inside the .zip into it alongside all its top-level stuff

that's how i develop

[tropic egret]

That makes sense

Do you just put the zip into the actual decompiled game folder or do you do something different?

[hollow grail]

you take the folders inside the zip and place them into the decompiled game folder

so when you decompile the game you'll have a folder with like, enceladus, comms, ships whatever
put IndustriesOfEnceladus in that folder and the .import

merge the .import

don't dump the contents of IOE into the decompilation or you'll break shit

[tropic egret]

Bruh, my Discord so slow

So just those two top folders?

[hollow grail]

yup, just copy them into the decompiled game

[tropic egret]

Awesome

[hollow grail]

then just open the game like a Godot project, wait for it all to import (might take a while), and you're ready

[tropic egret]

Thanks very much

How does the thing track the changes you've made?

[hollow grail]

it doesn't, really

i'd suggest using Github and hardlinking the folder

the way i develop, i use mklink /h /j to create a directory junction inside the decompiled dV folder that connects to my mod. makes it easier to work on within Godot and back up to git/cloud

[tropic egret]

Good thing I've used Github in the past.

Oof that import is making my cmoputer slow

[hollow grail]

yup, it's very CPU-heavy

lots of parsing to be done

[tropic egret]

71.3% usage

Oml

[hollow grail]

just go watch a few vids or somethin

[tropic egret]

Good idea, lol

85%, bro wants my entire CPU

[tropic egret]

You weren't joking about it taking a while

Probably gonna fall asleep before it finishes, lol

[dusk bay]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-vomit-gif-4935137

[dusk bay]

Take a look at the mod I was trying to make work with yours, it generates a configuration file on first load, could do something like that with yours to allow for manipulating some values?

[hollow grail]

oh, yes, perhaps

[dusk bay]

Could also add something to the tuning section, reduced remass collection results in lower power draw?

But then again, the power draw is so low as it stands that really doesn't do much

[hollow grail]

eh maybe

i mean that's entirely possible tbh

[dusk bay]

OR just put it in there as a bit of customization, a slide that just acts as a multiplier for the remass extraction, from 0-1

No need to balance it since it's purely a personal preference thing

[tropic egret]

It

It's finally done

[dusk bay]

lol

Jayzuz that takes forever

[tropic egret]

Yeah

Took over an hour

But hopefully I won't need to do that again

[dusk bay]

Is the software at least multithreaded?

Werll, you probably will any time the game gets updated

[tropic egret]

Well, it was using 85% of my CPU, so probably?

[dusk bay]

I should get a build server VM going on my server lol

[tropic egret]

I'll set up the Github stuff tomorrow

Won't be as much of a pain as this was, lol

[dusk bay]

Soooo, sorry to ask this of you, but any chance of a release today, saw you were thinking that it might be happening today, and I'm excited lol

It's funny, I was think the day before "Why aren't the baffles seperate from MPUs, someone should make a mod for that", then day later, found out you did

[hollow grail]

lol ya

i mean

i'm not entirely sure, really

the problem i'm facing rn is with inheritance

it's like... when i replace a node, which i need to do to get things working on everything, things fuck up in other ways

[vagrant topaz]

i also cant wait for the rework, want the damn colider problem to be fixed so i stop losing ore

[dusk bay]

What if instead of replacing, you just hide the old stuff, so it's still there, just, unused

Could also be the order things are loading in, things get inherited, then you replace them, and then things go all fucky

[hollow grail]

i did try that

[dusk bay]

WEird

[hollow grail]

man... why don't i just put the prospector's alt placements in WeaponSlot? if i'm having so much trouble with the new slots...

huh

[dusk bay]

lol

Gotta love it when the solution slaps you like that

[hollow grail]

lmao it works really well too

[dusk bay]

What does, the slap of sudden epiphany? Yes, yes it does 😛

Honestly sometimes the best debugging is good old rubber ducky debuging, and it's fun when the rubber ducky is a little snide at times 😛

[vagrant topaz]

so that means that were getting rework release very soon ??

[hollow grail]

is dough bread?

let it bake

[dusk bay]

lol

[vagrant topaz]

yes, dough is soft bread

[dusk bay]

Was about to say, I may be excited, but dammit I know what development is like, it'll be done when it's done

[hollow grail]

it's coming along really well, i will say

[vagrant topaz]

any new gear addons thats comming along with the rework ??

[hollow grail]

NDDFD

[vagrant topaz]

?

[hollow grail]

Nakamura Dynamics Directed Fusion Detonation engine

[graceful oasis]

NDDFDs nuts lol

[vagrant topaz]

phft

[dusk bay]

AKA strapping a big ass bomb to your ass and letting it rip

[vagrant topaz]

lol

[hollow grail]

damn Nakamura Dynamics wasn't lying my ship can fart

[vagrant topaz]

can we see stats ?

[dusk bay]

Wait, is it a pulsed thrust main torch?

[hollow grail]

1.8 MN, 445 MW power usage, technically pulsed drive, think about 10 pulses a second

[vagrant topaz]

huh

whats the propelant usage ?

[graceful oasis]

huge power usage, that's higher than a gungnir

[dusk bay]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-christ-on-a-motorbike-gif-9954663136174355006

[hollow grail]

1kg/s lmfao

it's got special propellant

[dusk bay]

Let me guess, same way the z-pinch drive works

[graceful oasis]

ZAP Plus

ZAPP

[vagrant topaz]

thats not much unless its like the z-axial torch that only has 30 min usage time

[dusk bay]

I want to put it on the racing ship

[hollow grail]

well no, the zap drive is inertial fusion

this is just directing high-power lasers towards tiny fuel pellets that then go BANG

[dusk bay]

Can we get an RCS verions 😛

[hollow grail]

lmfao

[dusk bay]

The megakitsune

[graceful oasis]

if you do that, we would then need an RCS version of the NANI (lol)

[crude steppe]

Tsukuyomi uses main thrusters as rcs

[dusk bay]

😄

RCS NANI, YES

[vagrant topaz]

Q: is it possible to make a MPU discard exess propelant made from ice is the tank is full ?

[dusk bay]

I thought it did that already

That's why you see the could around whe when processing stuff with full fuel

[vagrant topaz]

when i do dives and my tank is full, it doesnt process the ore much unlike when there is space for propellant

[hollow grail]

yeah it vents the remass

[vagrant topaz]

huh, thats weird then, maybe it doesnt vent it at a very fast rate ?

[graceful oasis]

it should vent at the same rate, you might've just had an ore with a very high water content, like iron

[vagrant topaz]

yea fair, even with SPDX's ice melting aux accessory, it still takes forever to get rid of the ice

[dusk bay]

\Love the RD-25

[vagrant topaz]

im currently runing the VRFP and the NBMT

[dusk bay]

You know, for some reason I feel like this game would play amazingly well on a steamdeck

[vagrant topaz]

crashes right away

[graceful oasis]

from what i've seen of other people playing it on a steamdeck, it runs pretty well

[dusk bay]

I mean from a controls perspective

Like, the eniter control structure seems like it was desgiend to be used with a touchscreen + controller

I'

I've been playing it with a steam controller lately, I forgot just how amazing this thing was

[hollow grail]

oh i've missed you darling

[dusk bay]

Pretty

[hollow grail]

lol the new aux modules are barely visible in the tsukuyomi

[crude steppe]

More space for ore

[hollow grail]

oh yes

[crude steppe]

Ohh no more beak 🔥

[hollow grail]

also if you have a keen eye you might have noticed something weird about the new tsukuyomi

LOL yup

i learned a lot from the implementation of the MAD-CERF's sliding bay doors

it now has a set, which was my original plan

unfortunately the beak was funny but i did find it limiting considering the sheer size of the thing

it can now swallow roids whole and just melt them with the MPPs

a little benefit to losing such a funny feature i guess

it also only has one high-stress hardpoint, which can still be quite useful

i reduced it since i figured with the bay door i'd have a hard time justifying anything else. idk maybe it'll make a glorious return

also! the torpedo tube toggles have been changed to left and right

advanced maneuvering with quad NANIs

could be fun

i also eased up some collider complexity

15 polygons, how about that

[vagrant topaz]

@hollow grail any chance that we could get a upgraded nanibot maker that has a higher crafting speed ?, takes a very long time for the current once to craft refill the tank

[hollow grail]

you could use the SSE voyager fab in tandem with the MPU, but yeah, i see the demand for that

[graceful oasis]

i suppose something like that would actually make using the factory to sell to g4a more viable

[hollow grail]

foundry...

[hollow grail]

release is slightly delayed to maybe tomorrow by this fucking thing lol

https://youtu.be/HFsFU20AarE

[tropic egret]

That's all good. Better to release it when it's working properly

[graceful oasis]

it is one of the aspects of good development

dont wanna pull a todd howard

[hollow grail]

release when it's done, not when it's half-done

although speaking of, it's technically entirely available on the github

[hollow grail]

direct ship replacements vs loading custom ships...

the second is sooooo much better

like yall i can fucking inherit directly from ships and it doesn't mess up things later

hmm... just thinking if i have another ship in me before i go to sleep

want to get the release out but also i'm tired

[hollow grail]

nice mod it would be a shame if someone farted on it

https://github.com/spdx-github/IndustriesOfEnceladus/releases/tag/1.0.0

i am going to bed

currently aware: MAD-CERF aux equipment not working since i haven't implemented it

also PLEASE umm be aware that this may break some slots

so either make a new save or unequip all custom equipment from custom slots and then update

affected slots include the OCP's rear docking bays, maybe something with the tsukuyomi? uhhh forget

oh ya the prospectors might be a bit fucked up

like they're fine but the slots

yeah

wait no they should be fine

OK goodnight

[graceful oasis]

well done. a rest well earned

[hollow grail]

also the new fab might not be in the upgrade menu bc i forgor

WEE

[graceful oasis]

lol new save already got 3 of the new ships

weird that the two tsukuyomis cost the exact same

[hollow grail]

yea the used slotts are umm not copied

not fully configured

(theres only one)

[graceful oasis]

on the subject of slots, it seems the gungnir is duplicated for the left high stress point on tsukiyuomi,

[hollow grail]

lol unintended
why is that even there.. shouldnt be showing
ill look at it tomorrow

[graceful oasis]

thx

right high stress seems fine, but weird nontheless

[hollow grail]

ya i popped them off so they shouldnt be appearing
only one now

but theres the torp toobs

[graceful oasis]

yup

also for the two main propulsion tabs, im assuming the first is for RCS and the second is for the torches

[tropic egret]

Yippee

Hopefully the chunk issue I was having won't occur with the new update

[hollow grail]

lol ya never changed that
need to

ok im actually goig sleep now if i stay awake any longer i'll see the sunrise and god forbid

i could not behold such beauty

let me know if anything is super on fire and i'll work towards fixes tomorrow

actually lwt me know if anythings weird or strikes u as odd i'll work on it

WOOEOEOE

[graceful oasis]

translation code needed for aux unit

i knew that the tsukuyuomi was expensive, but jeezus

[graceful oasis]

seems to put the translation here for whatever reason

on the subject of more bugs. i have ore recovery devices on the left and right high stress hardpoints, and they dont seem to be appearing

zap drives are broken on the tsukuyuomi for turning

[tropic egret]

Zamn

[graceful oasis]

i feel really bad, but at the same time they did ask to find bugs

[tropic egret]

That's true

Better it work then not

[crude steppe]

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[vagrant topaz]

bump

[edgy night]

i asked for day a while ago too xD

[hollow grail]

yes, no

[hollow grail]

RMS-PAL adds this

[vagrant topaz]

ok

[hollow grail]

for turning? clarify?

[hollow grail]

yknow i'm being kinda cheeky with the RMS-PAL fabricator
fixed its description so it looks better LOL

it's a direct reference to No Man's Sky

really the company's name is an indirect reference
before the NEXT update, the default ship was the Rasamama S36

Artemis and Apollo are both characters in the main story
the Atlas is literally the machine-god of the NMS universe

[tropic egret]

Now that I've finished pumping iron, I can go collect it 💪

[tropic egret]

What is the correct one for each?

[hollow grail]

dammit thought i fixed that

[tropic egret]

Lol

[hollow grail]

sorry, steam is being a bullshit agent rn, i'm trying to boot the game for bugfixes

[tropic egret]

That's all g

I'm not gonna be using them anytime soon anyways

Man, I'm so close to being able to afford a master geologist, RP25 and a LR propellant tank

We ain't just cooking, we're preparing a 3-course meal

Eagle Prospector HUD kinda nice to look at ngl

It being imperial is a little cringe but it'll do

[hollow grail]

there is a metric mod

[tropic egret]

There is

But I couldn't afford it

Cause I got all that other stuff

I had joked about getting iron but that's all the game is giving me rn 😭

It does seem like the chunk clipping issue has been resolved too

[hollow grail]

hey, don't jinx it LOL

[tropic egret]

Well, the excavator seems much more responsive now to chunks inside the hold

And I'm running an almost identical setup (Minus the mining laser)

So good so far tho

I'll continue to monitor it

Tho

I think I just saw a chunk come out of my ship's booty

Can see some stuck chunks at the front there

[hollow grail]

lol i mean idk what to tell you, this sounds like a very particular problem with your game

never been able to recreate this

[tropic egret]

That's so wack

[hollow grail]

sorry abt that

[tropic egret]

Nah, it's all g

I'll just turn off MMM

That might solve the problem

Well, I hope, lol

[tropic egret]

Removing MMM has solved the issue

Very sadge

[hollow grail]

unfortunate but i'm thankful it's not my problem

as mean at that sounds

just very frustrating

[tropic egret]

Uhhh

[tropic egret]

Just a mod incompatibility (That I wish didn't exist)

[hollow grail]

yea unfortunate

it's a very good mod

[tropic egret]

Why do I have a massive clump of water in my hold btw?

[hollow grail]

that... is an asteroid lmao

no idea how it got in there

[tropic egret]

There is no way, lmao

[hollow grail]

your MPP should degrade it

[tropic egret]

It might've spawned inside my ship

[hollow grail]

yeah probly

it sometimes does that

[tropic egret]

Oh well, free propellant

[random cypress]

I think your game might just be cursed, I cannot replicate this issue

[hollow grail]

maybe it's a win11 issue

[tropic egret]

Who knows

It's not the end of the world

But I will miss the MMM

Lol

Yep, there was the asteroid

Could've made 200k but cause of the roid, I ran outta room

Is there a reason why the Laminar Turbine is more expensive than the Twin?

I know it's lighter

It is more weight-efficient

I guess that makes sense

[hollow grail]

precision engineering, really

[tropic egret]

Epic

[hollow grail]

like the ND capacitors, they're more weight-efficient and specialist

i figured they're like your Necessaries, right
like things you absolutely need and don't really have any direct paths past upgrading the power output

so since the weight is an issue, i added alternate paths that mean you can get more power per weight

[tropic egret]

Makes sense and helps with adding turbine variety

[hollow grail]

i would make them a bit more efficient but there's no exposed efficiency presets

[tropic egret]

It's a good way of doing with them being limited atm

[hollow grail]

yea

i never liked that the upgrade paths are just straight boosts

instead i focused on weight efficiency per unit of power

i feel like the way the game currently implements turbines and stuff, people look at it and think "oh, this must be objectively better because it's more expensive", but the milspec turbine is massive and pisses fuel

instead i wanted to encourage folks to think about the weight and efficiency of the turbine and how best to maximise a vessel's performance with APUs and all

[tropic egret]

Could you do more types of turbines atm or nah?

[hollow grail]

i could, sure

[tropic egret]

That'd be epic

[hollow grail]

i don't really know what i'd add tho!

[tropic egret]

Can they interact with other modules?

Like MPUs or something

[hollow grail]

they cannot

[tropic egret]

Hmm

[hollow grail]

at least, not in the default config
they don't really exist if that makes any sense

like they're what i call "phantom" variables because they literally just change numbers

turbines have mass and they have power output and that's it

[tropic egret]

Sadge

I guess you can't do anything else with them then

[dusk bay]

It's FAR more difficult than is reasonable, as the heads are baked into the ship model rather than their own entity, which is silly if you ask me

[tropic egret]

That was a good dive

Now, the RP25 wasn't gaining anymore propellant

[hollow grail]

lol great name

[tropic egret]

So I'm assuming those H2O values are wrong?

[tropic egret]

I love the generated names

[hollow grail]

i adjusted the colliders for the preprocs so it might be weird and not cover the bay edges

you see how it's reducing the ice mass to miniscule amounts on those chunks tho?

it's working in places, to be sure

[tropic egret]

Hmm

Yeah, there are a lot of low ones

[hollow grail]

yea tho i changed the collider to exclude the edges since i thought your issue was being caused by my mod

[tropic egret]

Some of them wouldn't have been reduced cause they were in the front portion

Which is all g

[hollow grail]

yeah if they're in the throat they're not affected

[tropic egret]

Tho the iron one should've definitely been reduced

Cause it was in the bottom of the hold

Didn't matter too much tho, cause I got back in 12hrs

Oh well, I'm getting an MPU now anyways'

An MPU in 2 dives is rather good

Tho, I did trade almost everything to get it

[hollow grail]

worth

[tropic egret]

So real

And it working together with the RP25 should make it less slow

Time for eep now tho

And looks like I can test the MMM again

[dusk bay]

OH, it looks like 1.0 also fixes compatability with ZKY pretty much 100%

[tropic egret]

That's a good sign

[dusk bay]

Like, they work SHOCKINGLY well together

[tropic egret]

Lfg

[dusk bay]

Even that weird HUD thing I mentioned is sovled

Going to try it with the newly updated MoreMinerals mod as well

Should be interesting

But seriosuly, good jobn on making such major changes to the backjground code

Super difficult to completely change things like that

[hollow grail]

it's still crazy to me that i got it done in 3 days

[tropic egret]

Me too

I thought it was gonna take at least a week

[graceful oasis]

the q and e keys don't work, and the strafing keys seem a little buggy, and the autopilot pretty much fails to turn properly too

[hollow grail]

curious, the only change i made was to the turning

i guess it doesn't like the new config

[graceful oasis]

guess so

[dusk bay]

Oh, its the K37 suposed to have 4 low stress hardpoints?

[hollow grail]

it is not

it's a bug in the live version, should be fixed in the new one i'll put out soon

[dusk bay]

Are the 2 extra at least functional 😛

Becuase if so, yay!

[hollow grail]

they are not, tragically

[dusk bay]

Darn 😦

WOuld be fun to put drones in the extra

[hollow grail]

if only

kx37 variant with drone bays maybe

hmm!

[dusk bay]

Oooh, new mod for the k37, repace one low stress with 2 drone hardpoints

Took the words right out of my mouth lol

Or, replace the high-stress with 2 drone hardpoints

[hollow grail]

https://github.com/spdx-github/IndustriesOfEnceladus/releases/tag/1.0.1

[edgy night]

it definitly is. dunno what the devs had in mind doing that

[hollow grail]

i mean, simple

ba`y doors were never meant to be switchable

a lot of stuff wasn't ever meant to be changed actually

[rare hill]

Speaking of a custom k37, I'm using this mod along the custom kx37-ram, the only thing that doesn't work are the cargo bay accessories and MHK. That mod is really old, would be nice if someone updates it 😉

Or remakes it

[hollow grail]

kx37-ram?

can you send a screenie? whats its specs like?

[rare hill]

https://mega.nz/folder/e08E3CbK#oIXxLI5utFWfJ5xOK9VVqQ

Better yet

Ringa aftermarket modifications

[hollow grail]

huh, encrypted

[rare hill]

https://www.reddit.com/r/deltavringsofsaturn/s/EThTNlTbQ3

Or that post

I'm currently at the office 😔

[hollow grail]

huh, interesting

[rare hill]

Both ships he made are kinda op but nerfed, really fun to use

Multipurpose craft with shitty cargo capacity

[dusk bay]

is there a way to check if a variable exists already in godot?

like if !var

[hollow grail]

best to ask in #gamedev-chat

[dusk bay]

Trying to fix a minor incompatability in the more minerals mod with the ZKY mod, shouldn't be hard to fix either

and I don't want to just change the names of variables to fix it

OR, do you know what the object name for res://ships/ship-ctrl.gd would be? as if I can get that, I can just use if var in object

[hollow grail]

ahh i see what you're doing

once again, gamedev chat

[dusk bay]

Yeah I know, jsut wanted to post in here for lulz, already replied there

Especially since it's good knowledge for people to have in the future

[vagrant topaz]

@hollow grail DronePrintTime, do i want it to be lower or higher to make the crafter become faster ?

[hollow grail]

please please pleeease ask programming questions in not this channel

[dusk bay]

Lawls

DOn't be me

😛

go to #gamedev-chat

[hollow grail]

the lower the number the faster it goes tho

[vagrant topaz]

sorry, was asking since its tied to your module

so wait, whats the number on the vanilla printer ?

[hollow grail]

well u saying that prompted me to check the code and turns out my imp was wrong lol

next patch

4 and 0.014 i think

[vagrant topaz]

what was wrong ?

[hollow grail]

took longer rather than shorter

[vagrant topaz]

lol

oh, should it be 0.005 instead of 0.05 ?

[hollow grail]

yeah

[vagrant topaz]

lol

[hollow grail]

next patch, as i said

[vagrant topaz]

ill change it on my end so i wont notice it when you patch it, also adding another 0 to the drone storage it gives

btw, would you be abel to add a scout drone thingy that allows the haul drones to target ore chunks ?, i think even if i change the range in the harvesters, the scout drone still limits the harvester target range

[hollow grail]

sorry?

[dusk bay]

I'm pretty sure the existing drone for controling the haul drones doesn't limit range at all, and only affects things when you actually priortize ore

[hollow grail]

you're talking about the GOT

i can't really do much with that... it's baked into the ship script

[vagrant topaz]

1 sec

yea, its the obonto USV-GOT

its so you can prio ore and stuff

[hollow grail]

i'm aware but i can't do anything with it afaik

[dusk bay]

Yeah it only does prioritization, has nothing to do with the range of things as far as I'm aware

[vagrant topaz]

really ?

my drones normaly wont grab shit outside the screen even tho i set the drone range to 1,200 m

[graceful oasis]

possibly might be that the ores are beyond that, and drones do have travel time so it may have been too late

[vagrant topaz]

well shit

[crude steppe]

Well 4 monocargo containers of berylium was taking too long, still good run.
Tsukuyomi high stress slot sometimes get damaged with ore, also I somehow overheated computer (maybe got into blast of my own NDDFDs?)

[hollow grail]

yeah the thrust area of the DFD is very broad

i'll tune it for .2

[vagrant topaz]

@hollow grail hey, what file is the config settings for the R-A-MPU mk2 ?

[hollow grail]

ships/modules/MineralProcessingUnit_Furnace.tscn

[vagrant topaz]

thanks

[vagrant topaz]

@hollow grail ive found a bug

[hollow grail]

yes, am aware

fix is coming

[vagrant topaz]

oki, thx

[hollow grail]

it's just a config issue
i forgot to remove the left-right hardpoints from the shipyard setup

[vagrant topaz]

so the BBW will go from 2 high slot to 1 ?

or is it that its going to get 3 high-stress slots ?

[hollow grail]

1

i figure the tubes more than account for the loss

[vagrant topaz]

alright

[vagrant topaz]

uhm, this to ?

or do i need to buy a new ship ?

[hollow grail]

LOL what even is that

[vagrant topaz]

ITS THE HEADLESS HORSEMAN!!!

[hollow grail]

fr tho is something equipped in there or what

[vagrant topaz]

i have no idea

[hollow grail]

what do you have equipped

[hollow grail]

oh lol it's just the DMW cannon

[vagrant topaz]

the fuck...

then why isnt the excavator head there ?

[hollow grail]

because it's been replaced by a BFD

Big Fucking Door

[vagrant topaz]

....

[hollow grail]

it's a very large door

people were asking for a fore hatch so i added one

[vagrant topaz]

alright then

oh i see it now

and i found another bug

drones are grabbing the rock via displacement

[hollow grail]

what

is it going fast?