sliding docking door is looking good
#[SPDX] Industries of Enceladus
hollow grail
heheee
she's modified to have a cage hold, which ideally can contain small ships(!)
graceful oasis
im going to assume you're also going to change things that if a ship is held within a cargo bay, you can claim it
which would be cool to have too
hollow grail
that isn't already a thing?
graceful oasis
nope, if a ship is not held by an arm, it blocks astrogation and doesnt get collected from what i've gathered from devs too
hollow grail
man i need to see if i can change that
shy zodiac
It would be cool if the CERF hud was orange
hollow grail
0.19.0: MAD-CERF (civilian refit)
adds the fucking MAD-CERF with all the features WOOHOO. i learned a bit about it thru a reddit post 5 years ago, it's made by Machines Astro-Dynamiques which is a french company, neat! and its actual name is the Cerunnos Modèle II
i look forward to the awful bugs you animals are going to find
for now i'm so ready for bed it's unreal
rn i know about the ships-in-bay-not-able-to-go-home thing
idk get creative. trigger the emergency return it'll be funny
graceful oasis
must be a lot you've done, love how the file size jumped from 120 kb to 1.5mb
hollow grail
lol wow
the power of a single custom texture
graceful oasis
i mean it still is nothing in comparison to the game, being some 1000 times bigger or so
hollow grail
lol ya
i was going to rip the wire mesh tex from the prospector but then i realised it doesnt tile well with the normals
shy zodiac
It would be cool if the MAD-CERF could mine lol just make a custom mpu for it
Back onto a big roid and there ya go
hollow grail
yes... that is what the most recent release implements
hollow grail
no more imagine no more dream just real
graceful oasis
there are never enough ideas to dream about to make this mod better lol
shy zodiac
I feel like I’m on manual thinking mode just no autopilot
Or fly by wire
Okay bed time bye bye
graceful oasis
huge pilotable THICC perhaps?
attach HAL to the front, fit more RCS, add a bald eagle sized cargo bay for MPU, then add external remass tanks from cothon line
fuck it make it a cothon but THICC lol
graceful oasis
honestly that would be funny to see
would be a nightmare to handle, but isn't that what was signed up for
hollow grail
still has two RCS thrusters
graceful oasis
lol i suppose at cothon scales, you could always upgrade it to a torch, but even still
graceful oasis
can fit one person inside: you
hollow grail
yea thats the idea lmao
like they squeezed a lifepod in there and it's just braided into the systems
LOL
pilotable lifepod with One torch slot
graceful oasis
why wait for the inept CERF ships when you can rescue yourself?
hollow grail
no wait. just go
graceful oasis
collect your own rescue bounty
hollow grail
NANI thruster
graceful oasis
imagine the confusion of the crew just watching that monstrosity fly past you
hollow grail
interstellar travel discovered
graceful oasis
why make an elaborate travel plan when you can just send people out in bucketloads and wait until a few land on a habitable planet
hollow grail
fucking hilarious idea for the Shittle i just thought of
graceful oasis
pffft "shittle"
hollow grail
hollowed THI-CC with space for one MPU. maybe one docking bay.
graceful oasis
i just thought, put an AI into it, get rid of habitat modules, and you got an NT companion competitor
graceful oasis
the creation process sure is a wacky road
three really, really stupid ideas came together to form something good
hollow grail
lol yup
man i need to pin that on my idea board
i don't have an idea board but i need one now
graceful oasis
i'll think up of something to put to the game suggestion channel so the idea doesnt get lost here
hollow grail
im definitely doing the stupid thi-cc shittle
if i feel like it
i gotta fix stuff with the mad cerf first i'm sure
graceful oasis
that's fair
hollow grail
afaik it works. i literally havent tested it in the rings
if it fucks up real bad then wowww i'll need to do shit tomorrow
while i sleep feel free to just suggest shit off-the-cuff, i like inspiration
might add a third laminar turbine
graceful oasis
👍
shy zodiac
Woke up and thought rcs lifepod would be neat to find veins and tow a b8
glossy bloom
what ganymedian ships should've looked like
hollow grail
what ganymedian ships should've looked like
aw shucks!! that means a lot comin from a dev
hollow grail
cracks knuckles
hollow grail
ok so focus for today: refining the implementation of the cerf
currently aware of haul drones being an issue, got a fix coming
hollow grail
0.19.1: fixed drone behaviour in the MAD-CERF, changed its firing groups to help with wiggle, extended reactor emissives, increased bay door width
hollow grail
0.19.2: adjusted RA MPU mk2 collider and fixed reactor collider clipping into the bay
hollow grail
0.19.3: adjusted MAD-CERF slot toggles + rearranged equipment for OMS / repair menus
currently aware of a cargo bay appearance issue, will fix in next patch
yknow actually i'll stick some docking bays on it
screw it
actually no, i don't like that
wait shit i changed the toggles
0.19.4: fixed cargo bay imaging display, added more hold space (45,000kg now), stiffened the bay door actuators so they don't slide open during high rotation
there we are
crude steppe
Got few ideas circling around, how about a ZAP with no gimbal capabilities, more weight and more burn time. Another is a more efficient vector thruster to replace the ND-PNTR, the only vector thruster in the game?
hollow grail
oh yes, i've been working on thrusters/torches
crude steppe
oh yes, i've been working on thrusters/torches
👀
hollow grail
specifically multi-torches!
well, pseudo-multi
they have multiple engine sprites and are deisgned like they're multiple but they function as a singular thruster
crude steppe
So a lot of smaller thrusters like rcs on main propulsion slot?
hollow grail
yeah that's the idea
in fact
if anything it's a fun writing exercise for me
most of the work goes into making those blurbs
the R44 is specifically made to be a light, high-thrust alternative to heavier engines
it's not particularly efficient but it doesn't have to be
the k37 by comparison weighs like 3/4ths a ton more
crude steppe
That sounds so good. Any plans AGILE or even K69 ?
hollow grail
that would be fun, k69s in torch slots
gimbals are easy to implement
they'd look weird since the entire thing rotates but whatever
...if anything i just want to use "Thunderbarge" in a blurb
hollow grail
oh my gad it's christmas
0.20.0: GEMINI AND SOYUZ (and another one)
three torches, the MA-NTR600-II (incredibly efficient, high-thrust, expensive to maintain), RA-TNTRL-R44 (literally just four K44 thrusters in a torch slot), and the RA-K69V quad mount (same as above but it's K69Vs and it fucking gimbals)
i might have done some other stuff but i forgor
hollow grail
god i love transparent cargo bays
now i can see all the useless crap i have in there
there's a racing drone in it
graceful oasis
i haven't found one in dealer yet, and im curious: is habitat side or high stress side forward?
hollow grail
i haven't found one in dealer yet, and im curious: is habitat side or high stres...
does this help?
graceful oasis
yup
and im going to assume that the "autopilot assist for variable geometry" option might be helpful for several cases
hollow grail
i was thinking of implementing that
graceful oasis
honestly it's a great implementation from what i've seen so far
looking at koder's own implementation checklist for it, a lot have been marked with this one: https://git.kodera.pl/games/delta-v/-/issues/3650
hollow grail
oh i had no idea
graceful oasis
lol, that makes it even better
graceful oasis
it is
hollow grail
conceptualising rn
extremely hard-wearing thruster, competitive with EI's ion thrusters
fixed mechanism, virtual gimbal through modulation of magnetic fields
super efficient
graceful oasis
honestly at this point there needs to be a spreadsheet for these ideas and sources, this mod is getting so big i can't say half of what's going on now
graceful oasis
now i feel a little stupid, but still pretty cool
graceful oasis
i just download the new zip and just dump it into the folder without any thought
hollow grail
felt like it was getting plenty big so i needed to actually congeal it into a known quantity
graceful oasis
fair enough
hollow grail
Pin-150 is looking good
also one of the downsides of it is that it can't be tuned past its given thrust setting, just down
might increase the power consumption
vagrant topaz
Q: could you add a more powerful APS ?, the MPI Town-class MPDG isnt able to cover my power need so i keep getting brownouts in the belt
graceful oasis
maybe have one so big it has to be fitted externally?
hollow grail
eh maybe maybe
vagrant topaz
given the crazy shit you've done so far, it shouldn't even be challenge for you
graceful oasis
although, having one powerful enough might be a bit too unbalanced without some serious drawbacks
hollow grail
ppl have appealed to that b4 and tragically it takes some doing
but it would be pretty easy lmao
and yea idk how to balance it
the auxslot is a standard thingimabob that's on every ship
graceful oasis
other than say, taking out a hardpoint somewhere, or requiring some serious thermal power, i cant think of much else
vagrant topaz
sigh, yea fair enough, just pisses me off when i keep getting brown outs in the belt
tho maybe make a 2nd APS slot like the cargo bay accessories ?
graceful oasis
unless there's a different approach
vagrant topaz
that amps the 1st slot
graceful oasis
say a fusion reactor retrofit
hollow grail
lol yall are nuts
ill see about an extra mpdg in the morning and parcel that with the rms pin probby
graceful oasis
fair enough
hollow grail
a fusion retrofit is like... id have to modify literally every ship
hollow grail
cargo bay accessories only work bc i do that for most of em
graceful oasis
doesn't have to be a modification to ships, it could be a retrofit type of ship, which would technically lower the amount of ships you'd have to the models you'd want to have it for, but i guess having it replaceable might also be a big future project
hollow grail
yea thats the only way i can think of doing it without problems
question would be what ship
and i mean then i could add some customisation options for fusion reactors
graceful oasis
honestly the BBW seems like the most likely to receive a fusion retrofit, as it would make maintainence need only one reactor instead of three
hollow grail
ya the tsukuyomi with a fusion reactor would rock
vagrant topaz
hollow grail
wonder how it works with fission torches
vagrant topaz
oh no, hes getting ideas, run
vagrant topaz
docking bays
vagrant topaz
oh ya and the space could just be replaced with hold volume or sth
2000+ m3 hold, he he he he
hollow grail
hollow ship
vagrant topaz
im being a silly kid, sorry
hollow grail
well im going to bed but ill leave pondering what ships other than the Tsukuyomi could have a fusion retrofit as homework for yall lmao
the ol food for thought
vagrant topaz
i stand on the 225 hill
love the ship but cant get enough power for laser or cargo storage for ore/metals
vagrant topaz
ugh, i hate that ore keeps getting stuck if use the accessory nanite assembler, i need to spin my ship around like crazy to process any ore
is there a way so that the ore wont keep getting stuck ?
hollow grail
i'll adjust the collider a bit
it is quite a wide collider but it's made to be about the scale of the voyager's fab unit
hollow grail
ugh, i hate that ore keeps getting stuck if use the accessory nanite assembler, ...
you're using the 225 right? which part do they get stuck on, the in-ramp?
admittedly part of the difficulty posed by aux hardware in the bay is that it makes handling ore more awkward, but fixing it is easier done than said in this case lmao
vagrant topaz
you're using the 225 right? which part do they get stuck on, the in-ramp?
ill boot the game up in a bit and ill post some SS here of some combos that ive seen make ore get stuck
hollow grail
specific MPUs get stuck? which ones?
or specific configs, i mean
i made a few modifications to the colliders to add a more curved slope to the fab module and expanded the RA mpu mk2 to be a bit larger
hollow grail
0.21.0: PULSED INDUCTION
added the Rasamama Pin-150, extremely efficient pulsed induction thruster that's the most expensive RCS option rn
also adjusted RA MPU mk2 and SSE Voyager fab colliders in the 225
you should see that ore gets stuck a lot less and flows pretty well in most MPUs now
i actually made the collider larger to fit the existing MPU, since the biggest problem is chunks getting pairs caught
vagrant topaz
specific MPUs get stuck? which ones?
those and that its a little hard for ore to get to the smelting end area of the THI bulker MPU
hollow grail
that looks like the starbus
vagrant topaz
the what ?
hollow grail
the bulker is designed like that
it's something of a benefit-drawback
like it has massive space but the processing area was an oversight
hollow grail
so you basically get massive onboard space but it's got tererible throughput lol
also i'm about to push somethin that should fix the MA mpu, since i noticed it was still a problem
well, it'll have to wait for the moment since i'm currently working on a surprise
vagrant topaz
......, im scared
hollow grail
lol
hollow grail
classic arcade game on a maze map
vagrant topaz
lol
hollow grail
think abt it
graceful oasis
love it!
crude steppe
hollow grail
i called it the OCP-209-SNAP "Piranha" but the sounds literally just have the Pacman wakkawakka in there
graceful oasis
lol nice
would be incredibly funny if there was a tuning toggle that changed the sounds between normal and pacman sounds, and especially with the collect sounds too
hollow grail
default config, would take some work with a toggle
the ship's name is Light Whimsy, which is just perfect
vagrant topaz
space, the harvester drones dont show up in the belt for the eagle prospector
hollow grail
oh yes, good spot
vagrant topaz
was wondering why the F they werent pulling shit
hollow grail
i'll pop that in the next release
vagrant topaz
ty
hollow grail
yea the way slot replacements work for the Prospector, they don't extend the base WeaponSlotUpgrade, they load before i replace it
since the Dyna-Cargo Containers don't work without it
i should really change that since i know Remove works
0.22.0: PACMAN IS REAL
adds the OCP-207-SNAP "Piranha"
also fixes the Harvester drones on the Prospector, or should. let me know if it fucks up
i might reduce the harvester's scan time since it can produce more force
crude steppe
For some reason with laminar turbine installed dual laminar turbines installs too
hollow grail
oops, misconfigured number
0.22.1: fixed dual laminar turbine in upgrades menu and adjusted quad thruster base sprites
also am aware of refund cost issues with the Pin-150
rn not critical, need testing done with the OCP-207-SNAP
0.22.2: fixed refund cost of Pin-150 thrusters and new turbines not appearing on some vessels
vagrant topaz
would it be dumb to add a loan service ?, or is there a place in the game files where i can change how much money i have ?
crude steppe
rn not critical, need testing done with the OCP-207-SNAP
One of the "jaws" is refusing to close (cool damage mechanic, but i don't think that's intended)
Ah
hollow grail
LOL yeah there's a catch on the collider to stop at a certain distance
hollow grail
would it be dumb to add a loan service ?, or is there a place in the game files ...
i haven't really gotten into the weeds of services yet
i'm currently working on a fix for the OCP bay doors, reducing the profile of the catches
crude steppe
So far works good, it does spill ore if you open it not carefully (burn to get ore away from jaws), but this loadout can easily catch them with nanodrones and arms.
hollow grail
0.22.4: further tweaked physical elements of the OCP-207 for better physics behaviour and more reliable actuation, now opens to about 90 degrees ish
i'm aware the larger door's angle is a little off-nominal
vagrant topaz
im going to try another combo, ill report if it starts to act dumb
hollow grail
kewl
hmm
Rasamama Pin-12L
competitor to the fusion torch with the same exceptional efficiency and extremely hard-wearing characteristics of the 150, many small PIT thrusters working in unison but very bulky and power-hungry
brainstorming rn
vagrant topaz
any ideas how to add the fusion reactor to the BBW ?
hollow grail
yea yea i'll get to it
vagrant topaz
not rushing you, just asking
hollow grail
itll basically be a retrofit but i'd like to add fusion reactor modifications
things like heavier superconducting magnets, improved cooling pump specs
better DEC systems
vagrant topaz
fair enough
vagrant topaz
diffirent fuel ?
hollow grail
i mean d-he3 is probably the most sustainable
vagrant topaz
true but you can use a few as fuel
hmm, but outside of stronger magnets, better cooling, maybe stronger reactor structure so it takes less dmg ?
vagrant topaz
like what?
there is helium-3, deterium/tritium are the main but ive read of a few more just dont remember em
vagrant topaz
i know ive read of a few more combos
just more sci fi or super hard to get input mats for irl
hollow grail
the only difficulty with trit is that its radioactive and doesn't have a long half-life
he3 is stable
vagrant topaz
but the great thing about deu-trit is that you make it from water
hollow grail
considering theres a lot of water in the rings, yeah
but he3 you'd have to ship from the inner solar system
vagrant topaz
well not nesesaraly, you can make helium-3 from deu-trit
its a output of deu-trit fusion
hollow grail
well yeah. but then it'd get fused, wouldn't it?
vagrant topaz
1 sec, im multitasking
hollow grail
or wait, the fusion energy is lower iirc
vagrant topaz
deu-trit is lower than helium-3
hollow grail
yea i recall now
vagrant topaz
well yeah. but then it'd get fused, wouldn't it?
if you set it up right, then the deu-trit output feeds the helium-3 reactor
just depends on how high up the sci fi tree you want the mod to go
hollow grail
i mean EIME has been doing a bunch of funny bullshit
maybe Rasamama Material Solutions can lend a hand
crude steppe
But will it be able to run DOOM modified titan with zaps?
vagrant topaz
how hard is it to 3d module a ship/ mpu stuff ?
hollow grail
the ship sprites are about as hard as making a model would be
crude steppe
Ok so this is 1400 and bigest vanilla one is 1000 mw, but titan with zaps needs another 1000 mw
hollow grail
it's all about rendering, then making a normal map, then adding emission maps
not to mention texturing
crude steppe
hollow grail
Ok so this is 1400 and bigest vanilla one is 1000 mw, but titan with zaps needs ...
you'll like the next one i have coming
what i've done is pretty basic, modifying colliders
colliders in the game are really easy to change and a lot of stuff is already built-in
vagrant topaz
how long have you been doing 3d stuff to do this shit so fast then if what your describing is super hard ???
hollow grail
i have spent zero hours doing 3d stuff
most of the stuff i do is all in the game already, as sprites that i can just pop and clip as i need
the only custom thing i've done so far that took a little doing is the cage for the MAD-CERF
vagrant topaz
what 3d program do you use ?, or is it bobot ?
hollow grail
godot, yes
i don't use 3d programs at all. i don't have to do any modelling, i'm not quite that ambitious... yet. lmfao
the game's all 2d with pseudo-3d elements
very clever use of normal maps to create lighting
vagrant topaz
is this view in gobot ?
vagrant topaz
huh, how hard is it to make that file thing that makes the mod launch ?
hollow grail
not hard at all
the largest initial effort is unpacking the game files, which can take a while
vagrant topaz
even for someone with 0 programming knowledge?
hollow grail
you need tools like GDRE for that
it definitely helps to have programming knowledge but a lot of what i've been doing recently has been on things that are just exposed and able to be modified
crude steppe
Liqvo did many ships, if only there were chance...
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hollow grail
a lot of my initial efforts were just in making a salvage arm and an MPU, which helped me acclimate to using Godot
vagrant topaz
i see
crude steppe
So many ideas
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hollow grail
LOL eagle braided together
crude steppe
Oh no it's from hell 😆
hollow grail
may or may not have been created by a Dr. Hayden
also i changed the Pin thrusters to be more... accurate? i guess?
i changed their operation mode to "virtual variable thrust"
pulsed induction thrusters work by sending pulses to the thrusters to heat plasma inductively (kind of obvious from the name) but like, in order to get any good thrust out of them, you need a lot of power at an incredible frequency
from reading, today's pulsed inductive thrusters can do like 50 pulses a second with 200 kW of power
i'm imagining the Rasamama thrusters manage like... 1k+ pulses
you can scale its power by increasing the number of pulses per second
pretty clever
0.23.0: UNLIMITED POWER
added Pin-M200 (pulsed inductive thruster with excellent efficiency and horrendous power requirements), OPG-14 StatPlasma (1400 MW APU), and MPI City-class MPDG (2000 MW APU, likely possessed by demonic forces)
oh also the m200 is gimballed
have fun
hollow grail
right going to bed, yall let me know if something fucked up happens
hollow grail
ok looks like nothing fucked up happened
glossy bloom
@hollow grail sprites for the dual heavy racer
hollow grail
very tasty, thank you
hollow grail
<@147599991618273281> sprites for the dual heavy racer
i actually made a writeup for it
UMC Oberon MLP-60
The Oberon MLP-60 is a curious vessel manufactured by the United Machine Cults. Originally an autonomous vehicle launched by electromagnetic rail cannons for orbital racing events, it was outmoded by later fusion-propelled units, but enthusiasts quickly bought up the remaining stock and it eventually found its way to the rings. Six belt radiators, three at either side, cool its high-performance reactor and partially shield its exposed fuel tanks, though are hardly needed due to the vessel's comical number of translatory thrusters.
Multiple modifications have been undertaken to make the vessel appropriate for operation within the rings: its magnetic contacts have been cleverly retrofitted into two high-stress hardpoints, interface infrastructure has been built into the small cargo bay in the bow to support mineral processing units (barely, and with meager onboard space allotted to support them), and a HAL-9001 luxury lifepod serves as a comfortable cockpit and crew compartment.
Make: United Machine Cults / Custom-built
High-Stress Hardpoints: 2
Drone Bays: 1
Crew: 4
Dry mass: 26,400 kg
Cargo bay: TBD
Processed cargo storage: 12,000 kg (combined)```yurp that checks out 👌
vagrant topaz
Q: does the size and shape of the ship sprite affect the internal cargo hold m3 and size/shape wise ?
hollow grail
it's entirely governed by the ship's collider
vagrant topaz
so i can make the hold very big by fucking with the colider settings in godot ?
glossy bloom
yup but that will also make the ore nuggets be visually outside the ship
...and the cargo hold will be invisible
hollow grail
yeah you need to configure the area and z-indexing
vagrant topaz
so the sprite is to cover the hold ? so if i want a very big hold i need a big sprite ?
glossy bloom
I mean, think of it like this
the collider and the sprite are two completely separate things
the collider is the physics, the sprite is visuals
largely we want the sprite and collider to be roughly the same shape, so that the player can tell where the collider is by looking at where the sprite is
vagrant topaz
oh btw, where can i find the modding documents for how to start making a mod ?
vagrant topaz
I mean, think of it like this
the collider and the sprite are two completely se...
thats what i assumed, so idealy i need a large sprite for a large hold
hollow grail
Oberon is looking good
hollow grail
oh btw, where can i find the modding documents for how to start making a mod ?
tragically there's not much documentation
vagrant topaz
fuck
glossy bloom
YET
vagrant topaz
Oberon is looking good
whats the diff colors representing ?
glossy bloom
subcomponents of the larger collision shape
glossy bloom
you can't make a collider that's concave so the engine converts it to several convex ones
vagrant topaz
they're convex polygons that make up a concave one
stupid speak please
lol
brb, need to do irl stuff
glossy bloom
diagram
vagrant topaz
final question for now, can i just stretch a existing sprite modell to make a big ship bigger ?
glossy bloom
yes, it will just look weird
vagrant topaz
ok
glossy bloom
and you'll have to edit all the other parts accordingly too
vagrant topaz
imma make SPDX facepalm when i show him my creation
hollow grail
lmao
to get started i'd say learn by example, look at other folks' mods like Za'krin's
specifically at the ModMain.gd
the most programming you'll ideally have to do is adding stuff to ModMain, replacing scenes etc
hollow grail
ALSO LEARN HOW TO MAKE INHERITED SCENES
so critical
it's literally just a right-click in the file system
vagrant topaz
what that ?
glossy bloom
Yippee
glossy bloom
I do enjoy how it just looks like a rocket a 7 year old would draw
hollow grail
true doohickey
it's in the game! just bugfixing rn
the adrenaline booster isn't working
hollow grail
0.24.0: UMC OBERON MLP-60
added a completely custom ship, the Oberon MLP-60, with model renders courtesy of @glossy bloom !!!! it's a retrofitted racing drone that's somehow available on the civilian market
@crude steppe alsom might be of interest lol
had to do a bunch of arm tweaks to make sure this thing worked
crude steppe
had to do a bunch of arm tweaks to make sure this thing worked
Arms?
hollow grail
hollow grail
Arms?
ahahaha
her reactor can handle it!! it should be designed for high g-loading
just keep in mind that the thrust will absolutely dump the rods
hollow grail
lmao that works
its performance reactor is actually tuned to produce a bit more heat than other reactors
i figured it'd need it to power its torches
something like 125%
also it's remarkably light! maybe 4.5x as heavy as the Kitsune's dry mass, but marginally less than any K37 and a LOT less than any of my recent ships
crude steppe
hollow grail
how to teleport
crude steppe
But will it be able to run ~~DOOM~~ modified titan with zaps?
Modified titan with PINs 🤣
hollow grail
lmfao
they do use like 480 MW
maybe with an Unlimited Power
i should make a cheaper SMES that's just another ultracapacitor array with the bonus of being quick to charge and providing high discharge power
hollow grail
i got carried away
graceful oasis
as you do
vagrant topaz
i got carried away
what do i need to extract the game and get started with the modding ?
graceful oasis
you'll want GDRE tools: https://github.com/bruvzg/gdsdecomp
also, @hollow grail, where are the hull prices stored within the code, as i can't find it anywhere?
vagrant topaz
you'll want GDRE tools: https://github.com/bruvzg/gdsdecomp
ok i downloaded it, now what ?
hollow grail
also, <@147599991618273281>, where are the hull prices stored within the code, a...
they're within the ship objects themselves
please discuss further dev stuff in #gamedev-chat
graceful oasis
they're within the ship objects themselves
gotcha, i thought it was a dealer class or smth
vagrant topaz
please discuss further dev stuff in <#557132102831964181>
sorry, also the harvester drones doesnt show up in the turret options for the BBW
or was this fixed ?
vagrant topaz
yea i meant the zip
hollow grail
0.25.0: added two capacitors, an APU that's effectively just a cheaper, larger capacitor, and an extra 6k bay mod. also adjusted Oberon hull colliders for better behaviour and fixed masses of 'phantom' mods like power infrastructure not being calculated
there was some backbone work as well, so it might have busted some vendor slots - let me know
crude steppe
0.25.0: added two capacitors, an APU that's effectively just a cheaper, larger c...
Oh no, another otherworldly piece of equipment.
hollow grail
LOL
graceful oasis
ah yes, the fine print
hollow grail
i really like comically long lists
plush topaz
with that kind of description, I feel like I'm going to need to check everything for mimics lol
crude steppe
with that kind of description, I feel like I'm going to need to check everything...
That's probably something worse than mimic
hollow grail
no typhons were harmed in the making of the Conlido freightReady Hoppers
people - maybe
plush topaz
snrks
hollow grail
i like to think Conlido is kind of like, people behind the curve on advertising who try to sell above their class but are just kind of embarrassing
tropic egret
Praise the lord that mod installation is easy
And now I can have cargo baffles and MPUs
This mod adds so much content man, can't wait to play with this stuff when I finish work
hollow grail
excellent :] let me know if something fucks up or u have feedback!!
speaking of i'm always open to feedback and suggestions, discussing this stuff is how i get inspired
hollow grail
yes! just keep in mind it might futz with the way processed minerals work in storage
i havent talked to zakrin abt their changes
but a lot of ppl do use them in parallel
hollow grail
kewl kewl
yea if u hit any snags just let me know, a lot of things just work out of the box and i've added a few niceties to various ship platforms plus some customs
my proudest one so far is mayber the MAD-CERF but the Oberon is close second, if not tied
latter is a fully custom vessel with sprites by Liqvo
tropic egret
What would be useful for both modding channels is if they had their most recent versions pinned
The Minerals one was a bit of a pain to track down for the most recent version
hollow grail
yea wish i could mark it as priority
tropic egret
Maybe ask the boss man if he can give you that power
hollow grail
i dont think u can pin... and itd be hard to manage
like, pin on threads
maybe i should just make a github repo or something
plucky needle
And a change log that easy to find
Been kinda hard looking in here to see what’s added
plucky needle
Oh nice, haven’t downloaded yet as I literally just discovered this game has mods now
hollow grail
ahaha
the readme also contains a full list of features and installation instructions
plucky needle
Nice, thx
hollow grail
right well sleep time for me
yall drop a message in here if something explodes
tropic egret
Question tho rq
The dynamic cargo holds, how do they work?
I see like 6:5 (10% reduction)
plucky needle
lmfao
hollow grail
so dynamic holds are like the Cothon-21...7? i think? the bender
essentially they let you store an arbitrary amount of each mineral under a total limit
the conversion ratio is how much less total storage you have after converting, since canonically variable holds like that lose a bit of total cargo cap
tropic egret
Ah okay, that's sick
hollow grail
it's a way to balance the upgrades since dynamic/amorphic holds are extremely powerful
hollow grail
lmfao
also lol, yeah, that was legit my first foray into that side of things. just add a single rod reactor. im still really happy with its ingame description, 'optional gift wrap'
the Thermocouple Array and Light Ultracapacitor came afterwards
basically extreme economy mods
i figured it was weird that there's no low-end mods for ship 'phantom' hardware and it's been ages since we saw new parts like that
ok actually going to sleep now lmao
plucky needle
i wonder if i can get the 225 to run from a single fuel rod setup. XD
hollow grail
fun challenge
hollow grail
the beast has awoken
what horrifying shit will they get up to today
crude steppe
i wonder if i can get the 225 to run from a single fuel rod setup. XD
Easy
hollow grail
just pushed to Github
this should let me coordinate releases better
i've also included old versions
tropic egret
Awesome, thank you
hollow grail
yeah it's a generic catchall line
tropic egret
When compared to one that does
hollow grail
i'll clarify
tropic egret
Ah, okay then
Yeah, that'd be cool
These extra internal modules are neat tho
Was probably a major pain getting them working I'd imagine
hollow grail
the RP-25 is more geared towards raw ore chunk collection in big bays
LOL yeah it kinda was
my implementation, i say often, is held together by duct tape and a prayer
tropic egret
the RP-25 is more geared towards raw ore chunk collection in big bays
So what about the Nakamura Big MT?
vagrant topaz
@hollow grail where do i edit the file text to make harvesters have a 12,000 m range ?
hollow grail
the ND multiplies MPU efficiency by 120%
so like if you had 50% efficiency and you installed it, you'd have 60% since 50% * 120% = 60%
tropic egret
So is the ND just a straight upgrade then, or would there a reason to stick with the RP-25?
Not looking at the extra power requirements
Remass would be the only thing, but that's not major.
hollow grail
<@147599991618273281> where do i edit the file text to make harvesters have a 12...
weapons/DroneHarvester.tscn
change "maxDroneDistance" and "laserRange" to 12000
hollow grail
So is the ND just a straight upgrade then, or would there a reason to stick with...
but yeah, it's basically a straight upgrade but you lose a lot more internal bay space
which is okay if you're running an MPU
tropic egret
True
vagrant topaz
weapons/DroneHarvester.tscn
change "maxDroneDistance" and "laserRange" to 12000
thanks
hollow grail
and also you can use other modules, like the Mineral Tank Module, which has 8,000kg per mineral (works with hold converters, so 48,000kg total) and it provides a really basic preprocessing ability
since the tanks are hot!
the range is fairly limited though
tropic egret
I'm really looking forward to mixing and matching modules
hollow grail
yea!! my aim was to make a diverse feature set that all works in interesting little ways, together
tropic egret
Yeah, definitely helps with one of my (minor) issues with the game
hollow grail
straight upgrades are great but sidegrades are the most interesting thing to me
tropic egret
100%
hollow grail
like my aim with a lot of my implementations is just to add interesting gameplay factors
chief among them being the THI Bulker
it's this great MPU that adds 10,000kg per mineral cargo space... but its processing speed is dogshit and its inlet is really awkward
if anything, i just thought it would be funny
it does make the Kitsune a viable mining rig though!
talking about this does give me a chance to mention some of the more fun aspects about the flavour text
a lot of it is just references to things i like lmfao
the Big MT is literally just a Fallout: New Vegas reference
the ridiculous Sin Space Engineering modules? same name as a level from Cruelty Squad, though i acknowledge that the company you target in that level is Advanced Orbital Instruments
hollow grail
LOL uh oh
tropic egret
The ultracapacitor is all g tho
Well, I can only modify one reactor
So I guess it's fine?
Lol
hollow grail
kewl :]
hollow grail
they do have default wear statistics but it'd take a bit of programming to do that
it's not really supported
tropic egret
Damn
It would be nice if you had to maintain your MPUs
Or could change their characteristics
Like forcing more power into it or something
hollow grail
yea if u could tune em to get hotter at the expense of wear rate that'd be cool
maybe it'll happen, i dunno
tropic egret
Fingers crossed
hollow grail
what's the gist?
tropic egret
It's kinda weird, gimme 2 secs
And now it doesn't wanna happen when I'm trying to record it 😭
hollow grail
just give me the basic rundown, is it like, a chunk getting stuck, physics issue?
tropic egret
Chunks getting launched outta my ship at Mach 10 while aggressively spinning
I had about half of my hold fly away
hollow grail
that sounds like more of a game issue lol
tropic egret
Frick
crude steppe
OCP?
tropic egret
Base ship
Never seen this happen before
Very nice game. You refuse to do it after half emptying my hold twice
hollow grail
let me check i haven't fucked up the collider
hollow grail
it doesn't look like it
tropic egret
I think I found out how to make it happen, so I'll get a recording
hollow grail
my mod doesn't change anything about default colliders and i haven't ever run into issues, as unhelpful as that sounds lol
unless.. hmm
give me a mo
tropic egret
Two secs, I managed to get it in acction
hollow grail
is the preproc code fucking up the colliders?? just a sec
i mean it shouldn't, but... hmm
tropic egret
Mfw the recording froze as it happened
Nah, I caught it
It happens on the opposite side on the same spot
I've only managed to catch it with 1 or 2 chunk launches but it happened twice with half my load each time
hollow grail
yeah managed to replicate it
it seems like the colliders are working, it's just the excavator can't hold it since its colliders are so thin
tropic egret
Let's go
I love discovering bugs
Yeah, this would've been a persistent problem since this is how I mine normally
hollow grail
see how skinny they are compared to its width?
this is in the default game
i'll see what i can do
tropic egret
Is it shown on my video?
hollow grail
yeah so the issue is that the game's physics are fucking around
when stuff slams against the excavator, it just parts because it's on fairly weak actuators
tropic egret
I'd understand that, if it was coming outta the front of the excavator
That's what I thought the issue was at first
Given what you said, should it be recreatable in vanilla?
hollow grail
it should be, yes
hollow grail
from waht i've seen, the problem is mostly to do with things in the fore section of the bay during high-g maneuvers
if you fling yourself about with stuff near the excavator, it'll give those things a hell of a lot of inertia - enough to overcome the force of the actuators holding the doors shut
or it'll just straight-up clip through them
my best advice would be to increase your physics fps
tropic egret
I'm having a superhard time recreating it in vanilla
I think the RP25, being in the position that it is, makes it much more likely to occur
My physics FPS is on 60 atm
Should it be 120 or something?
hollow grail
maybe 90
vagrant topaz
ive got mine to 144 and its happening to me
tropic egret
Oh
Well, I couldn't recreate it in vanilla doing the same steps
Or it's much much harder
vagrant topaz
and after the harvester drones wont recognice it as "oh look ore" and just let it drift
tropic egret
Lol
Well, I'm gonna try it again at 120 and see
@vagrant topaz What does your ship interals look like?
Just the LIDAR picture on the bottom left
vagrant topaz
Just the LIDAR picture on the bottom left
im running the 225
vagrant topaz
no mine is doing it little below the middle right container thruster, also the middle cargobays thing is the ice melter from IoE
so i think there is a hole @hollow grail might have missed
or the wall is very thin
around there the rocks showed up
tropic egret
Well, the physics FPS might've solved the issue
Nevermind
One just flew out, lol
I can say it's much harder to do than before
I'm just gonna max out the physics FPS and then do a normal mining run
hollow grail
i think it's down to the physics bugging out
tropic egret
Yeah, I agree
And I think the RP25 just makes it more likely cause of its position
But it isn't the cause
Though, because I can't easily recreate it in vanilla, guess we can't do much about a fix
hollow grail
keep to gentler rotations ahaha
tropic egret
That takes all the fun outta it💀
I need to 180 in 2 seconds solely because a rock looks cool
hollow grail
i'll be adding some anti-pop adjustments to the excavator and thickening the colliders on some of the accessories
hopefully by dimpling the inner point i can encourage chunks to hit and deal with the force of both claws
tropic egret
That should definitely fix it
It's just on the one really thin spot that it was happening
hollow grail
well it's less that and more like... physics in motion, right
chunks as they fly around in the bay have inertia, which is fine for the hard hull, but the springy excavator will just give way easily
it's like the cargo baffles
employs the same fundamental principles
tropic egret
True
hollow grail
it doesn't help that the sides are sloped which allow it to more easily impart force
vagrant topaz
@hollow grail just noticed that there might be a leak at the conection points of the right side of the cargo bay MPU and the cargo bay accessories
hollow grail
so what i'm hoping here is that chunks, which are circular colliders, will get stuck in the little divot
yes yes i know, i mentioned i was going to put something out to fix it
hollow grail
there isn't any holes in the collider, but it's a weird issue
vagrant topaz
ok
hollow grail
what's your physics fps?
vagrant topaz
lol, stfu
tropic egret
😳
Buh
How did that chunk get there?
Nevermind, I just watched a chunk rocket out of my ship when I was moving 4m/s
3 actually
hollow grail
ok i'm not sure these are issues with my mod
hollow grail
these sound like some weird code was left in the last update and messed something up
like i don't touch the physics code outside of preprocessors, and they just reduce mass by a fairly small amount.... which MPUs already do
in fact a bunch of its code is directly lifted from MPUs
tropic egret
Funnily enough, being slow made the issue worse
Now
This was a little different
The first chunk seemed to vanish on the right-side of the ship
Near the RP25
Tho it could be a LIDAR thing
Same with the second one
hollow grail
yeah i see it, stuck in the collider there
the changes i've made seme to be working pretty well though
hopefully will have it out soon
maybe decreasing your physics fps would be better??? i dunno
i have mine at 75 with DTSS on
tropic egret
I had DTSS on
Just dropped the physics fps to 75 now
Lol
We have another escapee
hollow grail
lmao
yeah i think it's just the colliders... see i have them set to be pretty thin on the walls
maybe it's trying to say "here, you handle this" when it delegates to the preprocessor and then fucking up / clipping through
tropic egret
The chunk experiences a glitch in the matrix
Yep, managed to get it to happen at 75 FPS
But it took a while
I'll just wait for you to finish your stuff
hollow grail
i don't like to keep folks waiting lol
tropic egret
Glad I was able to help with a sorta major bug
hollow grail
well, ain't out of the woods yet
afaik it works and i haven't had issues, but need yall to give feedback
in the interim i'm making myself a sandwich lol
indigo crescent
this is in the default game
Maybe that should be opened as a bug?
indigo crescent
i forget how useful the LIDAR highlight is
Wanna add one that gives lidar readings and target lines?
tropic egret
Well, chunks have not been flying and I've been maneuvering fairly aggressively
There was 1 suspect chunk that flew away from my ship, but I can't confirm that it came from my hold
hollow grail
Wanna add one that gives lidar readings and target lines?
kinda but all the lidar stuff is handled by ship-ctrl.gd and it's a mess
hollow grail
Maybe that should be opened as a bug?
as for this, i dunno, maybe? it seems like it's just been in the game for ages
indigo crescent
I'm still playing in vanilla with maxed physics fps and on the K37, ore sometimes opens the excavator when decelerating or rotating
hollow grail
are you removing the old mod and putting in the new one or stacking them
tropic egret
Closing, removing and installing the new one
hollow grail
ok fantastic
indigo crescent
Yeah if you zoom in, you can sometimes see the ore chunks trying to open the excavator
hollow grail
guh idk man i haven't been able to replicate this stuff
hollow grail
i mean the excavator, yes, but not clipping into the vessel's hull and flying out of a still vehicle
tropic egret
I bumped into a rock
Unless the excavator was moved in a weird way that caused it, idk why it occured
tropic egret
Bruhhhh
indigo crescent
Yup
tropic egret
Tho I bumped into it a like 7m/s
indigo crescent
The excavator on the K37 does that a lot
I really like the Eagle Prospector for the grinder
tropic egret
Alright, I'll have to keep that in-mind
I haven't had it happen to me before
I've fresh installed the mod again tho
Just incase
Mfw
I just saw a chunk pop out the front again
Got a really good video of it happening
(It was only once but 3 chunks)
I saw one not on recording
And it was with little movement. I wiggled a bit and it kinded just slipped out
Two flew out when I slammed into the rock and another on a recovering manoeuvre
It is quite comical watching them rocket away from my ship
hollow grail
yeah that'll happen lol
hollow grail
well yeah, sometimes it just pops right through
tropic egret
And then the third was the typical behaviour
Where it just pops out
It also popped out on the left side of the excavator blade
Slightly ahead of where it was popping out before
hollow grail
ahh, i see those ones
tropic egret
Yeah
hollow grail
weird
tropic egret
Very
hollow grail
try unequipping the rp25 and doing that
hollow grail
slam into something like you ddi, yeah
tropic egret
Sure thing, lol
Can't wait to cause a reactor meltdown
I've smashed into several similar sized rocks but nothing came out
hollow grail
man... something's up with the preprocs
right, well, i can't replicate that exact behaviour and i'm not sure what could be causing it past like... maybe the chunks being acquired and acted upon when they're in the area
tropic egret
I might've just made chunks fly outta my ship
Yep
Though it was wayyy harder without the RP25
vagrant topaz
maybe also something to do with MMM to ?
tropic egret
That is possible
Here is vid
Just the start but now I'm not sure
I saw Be but I had no Be
But it had the same launch pattern
Though that V was definitely in my hold
tropic egret
There was another one as well
At 34 seconds
Textbook of this occuring
Just slides out the front, lol
I like how casual it is exiting the inside of my ship
hollow grail
"yeah i'm just leavin wygd"
vagrant topaz
so yea, looks like a clashing issue with MMM ore chunks, @random cypress have fun fixing it
crude steppe
I like how casual it is exiting the inside of my ship
Chunks just want to be processed. They fly away to find different miner 😆
tropic egret
The chunk exiting my cargo hold
Well, the next obvious test is to turn off the mod
And see if it happens with just IoE
Just removed the mod and I shall see
Time to completely shred my reactor again
Ship smashing time
I have caught it again
So
What I'm now gonna do is try this on a fresh vanilla save
crude steppe
Rusatom Mk3?
#1082861778440036443 message
tropic egret
Hmm
My only theory is that the small gap in the excavator is causing something weird to happen
Cause it was every so slightly open
But it launched the chunks like before
Alright
So in vanilla
The excavator opens on high impact speeds
Allowing a chunk or two to fly out
Post impact
And you can hear it open up forcefully as well
With the mod tho, it doesn't do that and the chunks kinda just slide out
I'm not sure where to go from here, lmao
Well, at the very least, not slam into rocks at 100m/s
I'm gonna sleep now tho
glossy bloom
@hollow grail hey I wanna feature this mod in a blogpost how should I credit u !!!! !
hollow grail
ohh!! ummm what kinda blodge post
umm if anything just call me spaceDOTexe
i go by they/them pronounz
and the umm github repo linked if u fancy
glossy bloom
literally just talking about being happy that the oberon ship found a new home and how I like when people make mods for games and it fills me with joy to see
hollow grail
i recently put all the stuff on github which is apparently helping with version control
oh ya!! thats kewl
also if u have other ship renders i'd be willing to have a look at them
glossy bloom
also if u have other ship renders i'd be willing to have a look at them
I have a few models almost ready but they're also in queue for the game so we'll see . Any design that gets shelved will be fair game tho 😌
a few previews though
glossy bloom
It's an unfinished ganymedian ship
uhh
idea was that you can see its insides through armor panels
(I haven't made the armor panels yet)
hollow grail
lol fair
i would implement it as is in a heartbeat tbh, love me some cageships
the top one looks like another UMC?
glossy bloom
¯_(ツ)_/¯
No Idea
The other two were actually meant to be Ganymedian designs
as in, before Ganymede got genocided
hollow grail
damn they were building star destroyers tho
glossy bloom
naurr this is like
Cothon size
but it does have a really large coilgun on the front
(also unfinished)
vagrant topaz
@glossy bloom any chance you've made any very large freighter sprites ?
glossy bloom
No(t yet)
glossy bloom
is that what the spokes are for?
yuurp yuurp
hollow grail
found a new hobby
a "chop shop" tscn that's just silly-looking ship sprites, for experimenting
finally... the 
i call it the kestrel prospector
lol
hollow grail
probably yeah
vagrant topaz
*withe
hollow grail
not for release, i just think it's funny
vagrant topaz
awww
hollow grail
focusing dev time rn into a revamp of my architecture
basically something i've realised is that while things are pretty feature-complete, they're also terribly clumsy in their implementation and i don't love it
so! i'm cleaning up dead-ends, reimplementing things like the aux equipment, all while heavily modifying things i don't like to see in the main game - optimising and fixing colliders, primarily
what i'm hoping is that i'll be able to implement aux equipment as single colliders that just duplicate their properties to a new, flipped collider and pop it in the cargo bay
i'd also like to heavily simplify aux equipment that just adds cargo space, delegating their exclusive function to a type that inherits from a base type wherebi'll implement the aforementioned flip
in short, i'm remaking a lot of the mod from scratch, much to some folks' horror i'm sure
not to worry though! everything will still be there once it's done
i'm just remaking things with the experience i've gotten from already having done the hard part
and what i'm hoping is that the mod will kinda act like a performance booster since a lot of colliders seem to just make polygons all over the place and aren't always properly aligned
the TNTRL for example is like 1px off centre
also something i'm hoping to do is sidestep the issue of inheritance entirely regarding ships and just make them load my replacements instead
that way i can modify them to my heart's content and i won't get duplicated slots... ideally
in the meantime please enjoy the mod as it currently exists!!! something new n tasty is coming
graceful oasis
ooh. the pot is brewing i see
hollow grail
it's a-bubblin
well bedtime for me
if yall have any ideas let me kno, can't take bug reports rn due to remaking things unless it's critical / game-breaking
tropic egret
Well, I'll be playing again today
I'll just have to deal with the chunks thing but I should be able to avoid it
tropic egret
Damn, with all that testing I did, I borked that save I had
At least I only had done 1 dive
tropic egret
I think the Light Ultracapacitor should be more expensive (You get less from doing a trade-in)
I'll explain why when I finish this dive
tropic egret
It's very easy to manage the light ultracapacitor (Just don't use your main engine too long)
The RCS can be used as long as you want as the power drain isn't high enough to dip into the battery
And it's different to the Thermocouple Array, could that thing is actually really bad
So I'd say increase the cost of the LUC by 6k?
15k trade-in price would be better.
Could be a 10k, but I think that'd be too little
tropic egret
Man, the ores are still gliding out at low speed and low gs
To me, it seems like the excavator itself is missing a couple of pixels that allow ores to slide out
Time to video this because I can easily reproduce it
Here it is
Super duper easy to recreate
random cypress
physics are just a suggestion
tropic egret
So true
This 100% doesn't happen in vanilla
Cause I was testing this out for like an hour last night
I'm gonna test it with just the minerals mod
On a new save
So just testing it with More Minerals
I can't get it to happen
The excavator makes the noise where it's under stress and you can see it parted, like this:
But nothing is coming out
tropic egret
Here it is
Compared to this one where the excavator mouth oopen ever so slightly and it just spills out
I'll test it with just IoE now
Alright
Had a test with just IoE
It doesn't happen (Or I haven't seen it happen yet)
But the excavator seems flimsier
I watched it almost lose a chunk while doing a moderate speed manoeuvre
So I'm gonna say it's a compatibility issue + something up with the excavator (But it isn't the main cause)
random cypress
oh the excavator is absolutely broken
hard to see, but it's clipped into itself here
unable to open it
tropic egret
Wtf
Then maybe it is the excavator
I have seen it do minor movements before but nothing like that
hollow grail
ezcavator stoopid
i'd say use like... 0.25.2 since that's b4 my changes
hollow grail
yeah sorry