#Lancer: Vanilla+

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winged quartz
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It's a heat version of the Aegis deployable imo

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Except it's semi-free

west hinge
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well yeah but its worth testing innit

upbeat tide
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One reduces damage, one lets you clear heat

winged quartz
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Clears one heat but also serves as an obstruction you can hide behind if you're small enough

upbeat tide
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It prevents movement but otherwise acts like soft cover

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Doesn't block LOS or anything like that

winged quartz
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Ah

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Wait a sec isn't menace bringing a Pilaster

upbeat tide
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Stacking it is purely beneficial

winged quartz
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Ah yeah it'd be two different protocols so 2 heat can clear

upbeat tide
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Yeah

west hinge
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oh god what talents do you use on this fucking thing

winged quartz
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On the Kidd?

upbeat tide
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Leader and drone commander are my guesses

winged quartz
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I go with Field Analyst 1-3 and Skirmisher 1 at the least

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Most turns you're getting are ally buffing anyways

grim pelican
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[ LICENSES ]
  SSC Mottled Umber 3, IPS-N Nelson 2, IPS-N Blackbeard 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Ghostweave, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Infiltrator 3, Executioner 2, Skirmisher 2, Pankrati 2
[ STATS ]
  HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:0
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:9 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:5 EVA:12 EDEF:6 SENSE:5 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Flex Mount: Chain Axe
  Main Mount: Pulastya Rifle
  Heavy Mount: Scythed Forewings (Thermal Charge) // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Growth Feed Extension, Chromatophores x4, Overflow Converter, Armament Redundancy```

pretty much all the same except I put on Overflow Converter and Armament Redundancy
west hinge
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......using smokestack heat sink and frozen pilaster together to purge heat from all of my allies at mach fuck

grim pelican
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since I play Mottled Umber ✨ As Intended ✨ anyways I figured it would be worth it to just... stick to the same as last time but test out the reworked stuff

winter sparrow
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give it up for yet another fold catalyst redo

upbeat tide
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There will be more

winter sparrow
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maybe some day the fold catalyst will be balanced

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you know what

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just make it heavy displacer

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blast 2 20 AP energy

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20 self heat

upbeat tide
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That's funny but kinda boring and I fear wouldnt be worth it since it would hog a heavy mount

winged quartz
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At that point you play Lancer for 2 rounds and then explode

upbeat tide
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Yeah nevermind the super criticality

west hinge
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heavy displacer.... my beloved

winter sparrow
upbeat tide
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I hate this fuckin' thing

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Im about to come up with a different weapon and replace it I swear

winter sparrow
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i wouldn't blame you at this point lol

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this is revision, what, 6?

upbeat tide
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Hold on lemme think

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5

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At least

winged quartz
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Wait the Fold Catalyst is a Launcher right?

upbeat tide
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Yeah

winged quartz
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Oh then Viceroy is definitely gonna want it especially with that damage profile

west hinge
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is saladin 1 worth it for the pattern support shield or should i just commit to hallorgarath 1

upbeat tide
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Prob saladin if you're leaning into support

upbeat tide
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Worst comes to worst that's what playtesting is for

winter sparrow
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its 3 self heat, 2d3+4 now right?

upbeat tide
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2 self heat but yeah

winter sparrow
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with overkill that could end up fairly swingy

winged quartz
west hinge
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ok chat do we want my bitchass running pebcac y/n

upbeat tide
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My argument of "it's inconsistent and therefore difficult to play around" is something that can only be proven or disproven with testing

winged quartz
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PEBCAC is eh, as long as FABI is there then I'm happy as a clam

west hinge
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it is there yeah

upbeat tide
west hinge
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fuck it we ball ok

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[ LICENSES ]
  IPS-N Kidd 3, HA Cochise 2, HA Saladin 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Reinforced Frame, Heatfall Coolant Systems
[ TALENTS ]
  Field Analyst 3, Sysop 3, Drone Commander 1, Orator 1, Skirmisher 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:4
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:18 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
  TECH ATK:+3 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:6 EVA:6 EDEF:14 SENSE:8 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  MAIN MOUNT: Quicksilver Autofed SMG
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Curveball Drone x4, FORGE-2 Subaltern Squad x8, Turret Drones x5, Field-Approved, Brass Ignorant Modifications, ENCLAVE-Pattern Support Shield, PEBCAC```

ok gang what do we think
upbeat tide
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May change the fold catalyst to a heavy ???

west hinge
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orator 1 is here cause its funny as fuck

upbeat tide
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Orator 1 is really good

west hinge
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the double quicksilvers are just a really, really, really reliable 'GET AWAY FROM ME'

winged quartz
west hinge
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if im pinned i can simply point blank fuck your whole day up with 6d3

winged quartz
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I was gonna suggest Heatfall ngl

west hinge
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shit i can take heatfall now

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hold on im taking heatfall

winged quartz
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Another one to the Heatfall

west hinge
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alright build adjusted

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any other advisory or am i good to set this aside and continue playing minecrat

upbeat tide
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If it isn't perfect it'll still do good I think

west hinge
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yeah the idea is just
i have forever sot cover because i dont ever actually deal damage myself like. 99% of the time at least. and i build Constructions and Mechanisms and put up curveball drones to let everyone in the squad have Yes range

winter sparrow
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-- HA Cochise @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
  HA Cochise 3, HA Tokugawa 1, HORUS Hallorgarath 1, IPS-N Mulzac 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
[ TALENTS ]
  Nuclear Cavalier 3, Technophile 3, Black Thumb 2, Drone Commander 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:6
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:2
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:13 REPAIR:4
  TECH ATK:0 LIMITED:+3
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:8 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  Main Mount: Assault Rifle
  Heavy Mount: Fold Catalyst // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Frozen Pilaster, External Batteries, Personalizations, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System, Firefly Charges x5```
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alright, adjusted my build slightly

upbeat tide
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Wonderful

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Have you settled on something Malk?

winged quartz
winged quartz
upbeat tide
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Think you could try to use the transduction impetus?

winged quartz
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Ye imma use it, was considering a SHeavy build using either Genghis 3 or Sherman 3 but I'm gonna be perfectly honest I'm probably gonna eek more out with Sherman 3 with Asura alone

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That and RSU in these frosty hands are very capable

winged quartz
winter sparrow
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i can switch 2 points over from engi

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i figure between the 2 armor, me being a backline artillery, and the 1/scene forced miss the cochise is fairly survivable

winged quartz
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Ah wait you'd also need to be at least 6 heat for NucCav

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What with how Uneven Heatcaps work

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Sorta negligible though

grim pelican
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I should still be able to play! Let’s hope 🫡

winged quartz
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Although the 1/scene miss is a pretty decent defense trait since it's an on-demand miss for something potentially catastrophic

winged quartz
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@upbeat tide apologies for ping but I have lkke 2 versions of the Hallorgorath now and I wanted to ask about how Heat resistance factors into Equilibrium

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Currently it's Hallor 3, Toku 3 for a more experimental option, but Hallor 3 Sherman 3 is on the table and potentially more stable (in terms of heat manipulation)

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Would Equilibrium proc based on the final amount of heat, or the heat generated but not taken final?

upbeat tide
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Final amount of heat

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And dw about pinging me, that's what the bell icon is for

winged quartz
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So resistance would be more detrimental than beneficial in that case because of final heat being halved, got it

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Also real funny I can have two Transduction Impetii on this, neat

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With it's low damage ceiling I can use it as an ally heat funnel if needed

upbeat tide
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Yes! You get it

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Cuz the burn it can deal is optional

winged quartz
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Yeah with the bounty change if I wanted to go full support Hallorgorath I'd just need to set a

OH MY GOD THIS IS THE PERFECT SEKHMET SUPPORT

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Sekhmet can't clear heat in the first place, this can clear a Sekhmet's heat far from it. And add Bounty into the mix and you can just have a heat funnel to that ally regardless of actual distance

upbeat tide
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Doesnt Sekhmet keep you from making ranged attacks?

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OH

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I get what you're saying

winged quartz
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No I meant it's the perfect tool towards a Sekhmet buddy

upbeat tide
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Sekhmet is one of those kids on a leash at the mall and Hallor is the ogre mom holding it

winged quartz
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Yeah bounty being applicable to all characters If warranted really makes this better

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Strat stonks

winged quartz
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Going with this btw

[ LICENSES ]
  HORUS Hallorgarath 3, HA Sherman 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
  Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Heatfall Coolant System
[ TALENTS ]
  Technophile 3, Nuclear Cavalier 3, Black Thumb 2, House Guard 1
[ STATS ]
  HULL:3 AGI:0 SYS:0 ENGI:5
  STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:1
  STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:5
  TECH ATK:+1 LIMITED:+2
  SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENSE:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
  Integrated: Fuel Rod Gun
  Flex Mount: Transduction Impetus
  Main/Aux Mount: Transduction Impetus / Deposition Driver // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
  Enlightenment-Class NHP, Armament Redundancy, Personalizations, Redundant Systems Upgrade x3, ASURA-Class NHP x3```
winter sparrow
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just to double check, the session is in about 30 minutes, right?

upbeat tide
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Ywa

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*Yes

winter sparrow
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ywa

upbeat tide
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@west hinge @grim pelican Few more mins

grim pelican
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Alrighty! I’ll be there soon!

west hinge
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kk!

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im gonna need like
5 minutes to grab a snack and a drink and take my meds