Thought they did?
#THE SILKSONG IS REAL
brave flower
yeah that seems likely
rose granite
Worth noting though that they're very easy to deal with if you just spam dash attacks.
They do not know how to deal with that, nor do most enemies.
brave flower
yeah they just end up taking longer for me
im trying to farm up to 1060
ive got 2 craft metal and im 2 tools away
so im gonna get ||buzzsaws, scuttlebrace, the key and the crafting kit|| all at once
rose granite
Small note about the baby I stole ||I like that it continues to make not only noises in your inventory, but that it's directional based on how far you're away from its page.||
fathom willow
It's awesome
brave flower
...i think they stealth nerfed sting shards
its now doing demonstrably less than silkspear
that or they nerfed like
crafting kit damage scaling
alr we are now ||Architect|| Gaming
i need to find like three memory thingamajigs
brave flower
found 2 so far!
sinful stirrup
I thinknthey give enough rodaries that it favorably converts into shards from vendor packs?
brave flower
I thinknthey give enough rodaries that it favorably converts into shards from ve...
huh, good to know
still prolly suboptimal for rosary farming with tools
alr i gotta find one more, ive gotten the ones from ||bellhart shopkeeper, flintbeetle quest, pilgrim's rest, and the one in a secret chamber in the marrow||
hollow elm
Just roaming some parts of Act 2 for rosaries to buy shard packs has been my main way to stock up fast. Some of the medium-small enemies are surprisingly loaded.
elfin ravine
Damn, final boss got hands
inner fog
I realized there’s usually ||a particular “web” formation wherever you can Needolin for dialogue||
~~
rose granite
Fun facts, if you end a boss phase too fast (by dealing damage before their roar finishes) the boss music doesn't trigger ||also if you go to the confessional booth in Underworks after destroying the machine behind it, the message is warped so only a few choice words are heard. Pharloom is never forgiven.||
brave flower
ok mount fay is the best area in the game
brutal but fair platforming challenge with Emotional Support Shakra at the bottom
rose granite
ok mount fay is the best area in the game
best area with the best unlock
It honestly might be the place that improved my own platforming the most
||well technically best unlocks, if you haven't decided on your silkshot yet||
hot mango
I got a crest. ||FUCK THE WITCH CREST QUEST THE CREST ISN’T EVEN THAT GOOD!!!||
autumn kettle
i hope it gets minor touch ups on its bind, and architect gets minor tuning down on its ability to enable tool spam
and then i think I'm perfectly happy with all of the crests in comparison to each other
hot mango
||I JUST WANTED TO STOP LISTENING TO THE BABY IN MY INVENTORY TO STOP SCREAMING!!!||
autumn kettle
||witch's|| moveset is incredibly satisfying and cool
hot mango
||It is, but it’s ability to heal is even worse than Beast’s, which is saying something||
autumn kettle
yuh, i think its bind needs to be a bit faster or have a bit more reach
hot mango
||I tested it out and I think it heals 1 mask per enemy hit||
autumn kettle
or have a better conversion rate in some way
hot mango
||Which in a boss fight is downright unusable. Outside a boss fight it’s still downright unusuable||
autumn kettle
||I tested it out and I think it heals 1 mask per enemy hit||
||isn't it 1 mask per hit, period?||
||so three hits on a boss gives 3 masks||
hot mango
||I just got it so I haven’t tested it much, but it only deals one hit so same thing||
hot mango
||Again I just got it so could be wrong||
hot mango
Still compared to ||Beast|| that’s way harder to use
||The bind has to come out near instantly for that to work||
hot mango
||Maybe a discounted bind cost?||
autumn kettle
it's probably got some crazy deeps if you're goated but some kind of way to make it less punishing outside of higher skill brackets would probably be warranted
brave flower
also its deeps is likely still way lower than ||architect||
hot mango
The skill ceiling for everything in Silksong is crazy high regardless of the crest I think lowering the skill floor is fine
brave flower
something abt Tool Build needs to be nerfed damagewise
torn sky
I only have 2 tools right now. The Long Pin and the default throwing knives. I need to find some more.
autumn kettle
if you have longpin you definitely have access to a third free pin tool
and then if you have some spare cash, ||the curveclaw from hunter's march goes hard||
hot mango
I guess ||Witch’s Bind being bad at healing|| is befitting considering it’s associated quest
hot mango
and then if you have some spare cash, ||the curveclaw from hunter's march goes h...
Excuse me the what?
I thought I explored that whole area
autumn kettle
||witch bind does not and cannot heal, instead giving you a cap of three deadwood masks that explode into its current damage effect when broken||
and these don't stack with each other
hot mango
||witch bind does not and cannot heal, instead giving you a cap of three deadwoo...
||that’s way sicker love that||
torn sky
I'm apparently very bad at finding things as I'm still on my first silk art and second tool despite just beating widow. XD
hot mango
||Bring back thorns of agony||
autumn kettle
I'm apparently very bad at finding things as I'm still on my first silk art and ...
oh, yeah, you missed another silk skill with the third pin tool I'm talking about
hoary tulip
if you are having a bad time with ||Witch Crest, try using Multibinder and Claw Mirror||
and ||Silk Injector||
autumn kettle
yeah ofc
hollow elm
||Maybe a discounted bind cost?||
||Faster bind cast|| comes to mind, though would get absurd with ||Multibind + Injector.||
hoary tulip
it turns your Bind function into a nuclear weapon
hot mango
||I’m still annoyed about Greyroot having no explained White Lady connection||
hollow elm
I'd worry about blowing up enemies too fast
autumn kettle
tru
hot mango
if you are having a bad time with ||Witch Crest, try using Multibinder and Claw ...
Once I unlock the slots to do so I will, I have all but one of those
torn sky
oh, yeah, you missed another silk skill with the third pin tool I'm talking abou...
Another silk skill would be nice. Right now my silk goes 100% to healing as while the lunge is nice it's very 'okay but I can throw a longpin right now instead'. XD
hollow elm
It's incredibly satisfying when I dive into range for it
autumn kettle
would you like vague directions or nah?
torn sky
I don't mind vague directions. Right now I'm just Doing Wishes.
So i'm wandering about, exploring
autumn kettle
||sail EAST, oh wayward captain||
inner fog
||I just got it so I haven’t tested it much, but it only deals one hit so same t...
Definitely hasn’t been the case with me. You sure it’s not one-shotting or something?
brave flower
THIRD BENCH REACHED
hollow elm
something abt Tool Build needs to be nerfed damagewise
It's quite resource intensive though, especially if you're dumping out tools everywhere. Some tools may need some tweaking, though already have low capacity limits built-in.
vagrant spruce
what an incredible boss
its an incredible boss in every aspect EXCEPT for visual clarity. not a fan of low contrast when my vision is mildly mediocre
hollow elm
I think skills still have a higher damage celiling at the cost of silk, though.
inner fog
Personally one of the big things that stood out too me on ||witch|| crest was the ||pogo making you invincible||
vagrant spruce
it's totally doable and i didn't struggle too much on it in the grand scheme of things, but i was definitely squinting at my screen for a lot of that fight. ||I wish there was like, a white sfx when she teleports or something so it was slightly easier to see, even if it was the same speed / not any easier to react to necessarily||
proud cobalt
||Poor Loam.||
autumn kettle
its an incredible boss in every aspect EXCEPT for visual clarity. not a fan of l...
i understand that, and that's a shame
hollow elm
Personally one of the big things that stood out too me on ||witch|| crest was th...
I've noticed ||the more unusual pogos give a ton of i-frame after landing the attack, especially Beast.||
inner fog
Makes sense for ||beast to have em, given the requirement to ram enemies with the pogo||
autumn kettle
speen...
vagrant spruce
still really enjoyed the fight, though. the only other gripe would be ||i'm not really sure if it's just... never totally safe to attack her right after she lands, given how she can instantly go into parry stance between you starting your swing -> it connecting? feels a little bit weird if so, though maybe there's a cue for which riposte she's going to do (grounded immediate or slightly delayed aerial), i just stopped hitting her then so idk if there's one i was missing LOL||
autumn kettle
mister beast should get more spins
autumn kettle
still really enjoyed the fight, though. the only other gripe would be ||i'm not ...
||i just figured out the spacing to always be safe from both of her ripostes||
||jumping at her escapes both||
||at least with a dash in the same direction afterwards||
vagrant spruce
||i just figured out the spacing to always be safe from both of her ripostes||
||not sure that's possible if you're using all crests, unfortunately, but i know there is that kind of spacing. i used shaman, and if she parries early then i think it's literally impossible to jump at her to skip the grounded one unless you're RIGHT next to her||
inner fog
still really enjoyed the fight, though. the only other gripe would be ||i'm not ...
||There’s probably a pattern to it, but I was always able to dodge the riposte if I jumped as soon as I hear the clash||
autumn kettle
||not sure that's possible if you're using all crests, unfortunately, but i know...
||no, i also used shaman||
hollow elm
still really enjoyed the fight, though. the only other gripe would be ||i'm not ...
||Is there enough window to wait a moment to bait the parry animation before swinging? Especially if they aren't delaying it to throw you off.||
autumn kettle
||I don't know if it's possible for all crests, but i can confirm specifically for shaman as the one i used lmao||
brave flower
holy peak
vagrant spruce
||Is there enough window to wait a moment to bait the parry animation before swi...
||no, she has a variable delay and can just parry immediately as you swing. it's one of those "if you hit her before she finishes the landing animation, you're safe, but you're never safe otherwise||
||specifically for the ground slam attacks, i mean, where she lands either straight down / the down diagonal dash. it's a lot easier if she used another attack imo||
autumn kettle
yeah i just straight up learned to skill solution it
which is super doable with the one you used
vagrant spruce
yeah no i did that fight with ||taser nails|| LOL
autumn kettle
lol
vagrant spruce
though i did find that it's really fun to ||cross stitch HER parry animation, if you can get her to do the aerial parry you can make it super consistent. idk about the startup time on grounded parry tho||
autumn kettle
||electro pale nails do hit like a truck||
autumn kettle
though i did find that it's really fun to ||cross stitch HER parry animation, if...
||startup time on ground parry is infeasible||
||too fast of a riposte||
vagrant spruce
yeah thats what i figured
inner fog
Also, the ||drill|| tool seems like a nice punish to the riposte, particularly if your crest has a more horizontal pogo that struggles to land
autumn kettle
ooh, interesting thought
vagrant spruce
||after i finished the game i went to go look up numbers, apparently the highest damage output is actually taser silk burst because the taser is a flat +5 damage per hit? but i think for practical utility nails will almost always win, since you can just pop it whenever and don't need to be point blank||
autumn kettle
i never found much use for that tool
vagrant spruce
oh interesting, i didn't play around with that one much
autumn kettle
||after i finished the game i went to go look up numbers, apparently the highest...
huh, interesting
I'm surprised it's flat
inner fog
i never found much use for that tool
definitely niche given the seeming lack of I-frames, but it has it’s moments
vagrant spruce
*huh*, interesting
isn't it? i haven't personally confirmed if ||the +5 damage is scaled the same way, but i tested a little and it did seem that the taser was making MORE of a difference on the silk burst one than the pale nails||
inner fog
definitely feels like it was meant to be used with the diagonal pogos to help cover that blind spot below you
vagrant spruce
||silk burst is apparently 5x 0.7 damage instances, and if you keep tapping you can get another 5x 0.3 damage instances, so i think even without the flat taser - but it's likely going to be more with taser anyway due to multihits and rounding||
vagrant spruce
||what's the shaman crest damage boost?||
i found one reddit comment saying 100% and did not bother searching more, clearly nobody knew at that time
LOL
autumn kettle
lmfao yeah
wanton bone
||silk burst is apparently 5x 0.7 damage instances, and if you keep tapping you ...
Oh, so it’s cyclone slash? Huh.
vagrant spruce
yep, apparently
inner fog
also, do the ||shaman runes|| actually stack with the ||electricity tool?||
vagrant spruce
oh, for the curious - i did some digging and found the item IDs for the silkshot tool, ||if anybody else wants to play around with the alternate versions they didn't claim|| - it's ||"WebShot Weaver", "WebShot Architect", "WebShot Forge"||. you can save edit (on pc) to load those in
inner fog
while messing with different loadouts I could’ve sworn I killed an enemy with no electricity in one ||pale nail|| cast, when it took me two with elec
vagrant spruce
also, do the ||shaman runes|| actually stack with the ||electricity tool?||
||i mean almost certainly, no? i can't imagine they wouldn't||
wanton bone
HK had some funky stacking rules sometimes.
vagrant spruce
I have noticed ||the pale nails have an odd hurtbox for their visual animation, if a smaller enemy is moving forwards/backwards at all it's really easy for them to go through the enemy hitbox but miss. it's super consistent at some ranges, i tested on the goons outside the grand hall ||
inner fog
maybe they just weren’t ||voided|| when I had the tool off?
vagrant spruce
ahhh maybe? sometimes they do that and its hard to see
inner fog
also it seems they have the boosted health even before the visual change
inner fog
maybe they just weren’t ||voided|| when I had the tool off?
Ya, which is why I’m unsure
vagrant spruce
yeah they have it as soon as the animation starts i think. super noticeable on smaller enemies
vagrant spruce
lmfao yeah
fextra comments be my guiding moonlight or something, maybe, from last night
seems like ||flat damage buff that makes thread storm CRAZY good, holy shit, that's got to be insane if you can learn the fights well. i haven't done mushroom man so maybe i'll try that when i run lost lace back post mushing it. comments are ALSO telling me that volt filament sucks because it has an internal cooldown not reflected in the VFX? apparently very visible with a HP bar mod active, the important part is it's only +5 once on pale nights and only 2/4 times on normal/extended thread storm. so that migth be worth taking off, idk||
wanton bone
fextra comments be my guiding moonlight or something, maybe, from last night
Huh, it looks like the damage does scale with needle, since I think ||silkspear starts as 15||
vagrant spruce
Huh, it looks like the damage does scale with needle, since I think ||silkspear ...
||yeah there's no way it wasn't going to, i think - not with how the skills are in this game. otherwise, to be at all useful in endgame they'd have to be insane in early game||
autumn kettle
it also makes sense narratively
wanton bone
I think at least for ||silkspear it's 3 x needle||
autumn kettle
||you're using a sewing tool with thread magic||
vagrant spruce
yeah, the damage codes are on fextra i think if people care
brave flower
im genuinely shocked mount fay involved zero pogoing whatsoever
vagrant spruce
which yeah i know its fextra but listen the other wikis seem to be lagging behind it. fextra comments are always the sauce, just the actual wiki entry is useless
brave flower
i was gonna use it as an ||architect|| pogo training montage
rose granite
im genuinely shocked mount fay involved zero pogoing whatsoever
you could do some if you wanted to, but yes it wasn't fully necessary
autumn kettle
huh
autumn kettle
fextra comments be my guiding moonlight or something, maybe, from last night
i suppose these codes mean that needle damage is the exact same as nail damage in HK
5 up to 21
hollow elm
Huh, it looks like the damage does scale with needle, since I think ||silkspear ...
I've noticed that especially with ||Lv2 needle + Barbed Bracelet|| for ||Thread Storm|| breakpoint against adds in a fight.
vagrant spruce
yeah it is, i saw somebody break that down separately
oh shit, does ||barbed bracelet|| affect skills? that's possibly huge
hollow elm
It should, considering it mentions boosting needle damage
vagrant spruce
yeah i know i just figured it was only on melee, since otherwise it'd say "damage dealt" period?
flat according to fextra
wanton bone
Might both source from Base Needle, in the same way nail arts in HK weren't boosted by strength.
vagrant spruce
yeah i know i just figured it was only on melee, since otherwise it'd say "damag...
hm actually no i can see the argument for just saying that if it doesnt affect tool damage
hollow elm
Tool damage gets wacky as you find lower capacity options, and start unloading with them.
hoary tulip
holy shit
autumn kettle
oho?
vagrant spruce
yeah i think ||architect is probably the strongest crest in the game as a result. just being able to nova strike with SO many tools seems super good, especially for things like flintslate (with skill) and cogflies (less skill)||
hoary tulip
the Flintslate ||heats you up, saving you from the cold||
vagrant spruce
the Flintslate ||heats you up, saving you from the cold||
yo that's sick
autumn kettle
the Flintslate ||heats you up, saving you from the cold||
OH
OH THAT'S SO FUCKING SMART
rose granite
Neat!
Reminds me of how you can also ||overdose so much on the blue stuff that your health changes into a regenerative form||
Lots of hidden interactions
hoary tulip
there's lots of weird shit in this game
autumn kettle
||yeah ODing on lifeblood and becoming Crack God Hornet is really fucking funny||
brave flower
the Flintslate ||heats you up, saving you from the cold||
OH MY GOD
autumn kettle
...i wonder if you can ||OD on purple lifeblood||
rose granite
Tool damage gets wacky as you find lower capacity options, and start unloading w...
There is a breakdown for total damage out there, though what gets especially silly is when you can trap a boss's spawn.
vagrant spruce
for the curious - i know this looks like a sketchy site but the guy seems super legit, found his reddit acct talking about it. full list of enemy HP / tool damage values ||https://raiderking.com/hollow-knight-silksong-all-red-tools-damage-values-best-ones-locations/ https://raiderking.com/hollow-knight-silksong-all-enemy-health-values-skill-and-needle-upgrade-damage-values/||
brave flower
Reminds me of how you can also ||overdose so much on the blue stuff that your he...
tou can also combine ||plasmium phial and polyp pouch to make the lifeblood masks explode into a poison cloud after a delay||
vagrant spruce
sketchy == like one of those ai generated ones not like a virus site
hoary tulip
tou can also combine ||plasmium phial and polyp pouch to make the lifeblood mask...
that's the purple drank
autumn kettle
hoary tulip
can you Quicksling plasmium phials
vagrant spruce
i'm not sure its possible to ||OD on drank|| considering ||i don't think you can get enough drank at the same time??||
maybe with ^ idk lol
brave flower
i'm not sure its possible to ||OD on drank|| considering ||i don't think you can...
||architect|| lets you do it easily
hoary tulip
no that's with normal blue stuff
brave flower
oh
hoary tulip
we're talking about 'urple, which explodes
vagrant spruce
yeah
vagrant spruce
somebody go test it with quicksling
brave flower
||theres at least one naturally spawning lifeblood plant||
inner fog
||Imagine it works an all your health explodes a second later||
brave flower
that might help
rose granite
||theres at least one naturally spawning lifeblood plant||
But I was told the blue was a different blue D:
||The professor would never lie to me, would he?||
brave flower
no hes just wrong
autumn kettle
||theres at least one naturally spawning lifeblood plant||
there are two
vagrant spruce
three, no?
vagrant spruce
||you need to grab all 3 for the quest don't you||
autumn kettle
oh
autumn kettle
the other two stay as useless squishies
brave flower
oh no its absolutely possible
vagrant spruce
somebody screen record if you can pull it off
brave flower
tou can use ||drank|| 3- 4 times before they explode
so with quicksling and a couple from a naturally spawning plant
it should work???
hoary tulip
can you or can you not quick sling that shit tho
vagrant spruce
i would assume it does?
autumn kettle
because it works on "throwables"
vagrant spruce
oh true
hollow elm
for the curious - i know this looks like a sketchy site but the guy seems super ...
(Act 2) ||It seems they've only found the Forge version of Silkshot in that. Rosary Cannon makes more sense when you're downright downing in beads, though seems to limit movement.||
brave flower
damn
vagrant spruce
(Act 2) ||It seems they've only found the Forge version of Silkshot in that. Ros...
yeah i think they just tested on their legit savefile, no rewinding or editing it
brave flower
ok so we'd need... 6 naturally spawning ||blue masks||
vagrant spruce
so it's genuinely just "they grabbed that one"
autumn kettle
(Act 2) ||It seems they've only found the Forge version of Silkshot in that. Ros...
how the fuck do you reload the rosary cannon?
hollow elm
Inventory
vagrant spruce
topple it was just bugged on keyboard
vagrant spruce
fixed in beta patch/should be fixed now as of real patch
vagrant spruce
yeah
brave flower
ok so we'd need... 6 naturally spawning ||blue masks||
in order to OD on ourple
hollow elm
||Architecht's craft Bind|| also reloads
vagrant spruce
ah yeah it would wouldn't it
thinking about optimized shaman crest build - is there anything more useful, overall, than ||volt filament|| for skill spamming? considering its apparently kinda mediocre. i assume the optimal build for dps is like ||weavelight, flea egg for more skills used, on your two crest slots. yellow vesticrest has barbed bracelet assuming it works on skills, and then blue has volt vilament /// anything else to swap out for it?||
||i don't think spool extender would be too helpful outside of nova'ing fights immediately, it gives you exactly 1 more casts worth i think, with no benefit once you're down to waiting for regen||
autumn kettle
that sounds right, yeah
i prefer volt because it looks peak
but the math probably favors flealia pretty strongly
vagrant spruce
i'm honestly thinking you just drop ||volt|| for ||reserve bind||, unless your'e a god gamer, ||since it turns flea back on||
vagrant spruce
oh wait, i just realized weavelight lies a little - ||it doesn't actually give you faster regen, it gives you +1 silk regenerated max - so it's necessary w/o flea egg up otherwise you can't cast spells?||
rose granite
no hes just wrong
But I trusted him!
autumn kettle
||shaman needle is really fucking good||
vagrant spruce
my guiding moonlight......
autumn kettle
oh wait, i just realized weavelight lies a little - ||it doesn't actually give y...
oh it doesn't give regen at all?
interesting
guess that was an old version
that they haven't changed
vagrant spruce
it does, but it's +1 max not speed of regen
autumn kettle
yeah that's what i mean
brave flower
so have we concluded that you cannot in fact ||OD on ourple||?
autumn kettle
+1 spool, not gen speed
rose granite
probably just ||longclaw?||
Tbh I don't know if there's a crest where that isn't the right choice..
autumn kettle
Tbh I don't know if there's a crest where that isn't the right choice..
reaper absolutely doesn't need it
it's good comfort
but it's unnecessary
vagrant spruce
yeah i think reaper and honestly imo architect don't need it
mostly bc i feel like architect doesn't care much about soul gained and is better off just using its insane charged attack, which is already long enough
rose granite
Even if you don't need it, extra reach just ends up being a lot more helpful than most other things.
autumn kettle
this just looks too cool to turn down
autumn kettle
mostly bc i feel like architect doesn't care much about soul gained and is bette...
architect 100% just wants pin badge in that theoretical slot, yeah
brave flower
architect 100% just wants pin badge in that theoretical slot, yeah
pin badge?
autumn kettle
||nailmaster's glory from HK, boosts needle art speed||
rose granite
pin badge?
Later game unlock
brave flower
OH
vagrant spruce
tool that you probably haven't found, ||nailmaster's glory|| equivalent
vagrant spruce
it wants pin badge, pollip pouch, and idk i think the last blue slot is less meaningful. i could see longclaw but i think i'd probably personally go for reserve bind or even a meme choice of wispfire lantern otherwise
vagrant spruce
surely
vagrant spruce
i think the one in your vesticrest is variably replaceable with anything you personally prefer though. injector is obviously good but you could make the same comment about even warding bell
is weighted belt that useful? i haven't bothered to use it, honestly, but i can see it being nice
hollow elm
Warding bell is rough, but the proc also means you didn't get blasted on top of losing heal.
inner fog
I found it nice on wanderer for classic HK quick slash shenanigans
autumn kettle
it's not the worst, it's mostly for spacing and better on things like wanderer and reaper
vagrant spruce
ah wanderer probably makes great use i bet, yeha
autumn kettle
but there aren't any other yellows you really care about
inner fog
helps that wanderer has the extra yellow too
elfin ravine
dice I guess
brave flower
this is probably the archi setup
no dice?
vagrant spruce
i run compass because i'm lazy
vagrant spruce
i think dice is funny and probably equivalent with weighted belt. neither will save you
autumn kettle
whatever to me
brave flower
oh god wait
autumn kettle
just don't get hit
elfin ravine
they are very random, but saves you health sometimes
hollow elm
I've mostly ran without compass unless I'm in a new area/scouting out a place without map.
brave flower
is the thornring a flat damage increase
autumn kettle
dice are unreliable, so whatever
vagrant spruce
unsure. i googled around a bit and nobody seems to have tested that one and posted the results
inner fog
I’ve had magnet equipped for the entire game and I don’t regret it a bit. Never lacked money for a bench
brave flower
that might be massive on archi
vagrant spruce
the nice thing about your yellow slots is that you can genuinely just run compass + rosary magnet + idk like grip on walls
brave flower
bc its attacks multihit
vagrant spruce
if you have a 3rd slot
hollow elm
Magnet is nice for not stressing about grabbing loose beads rolling all over the place
autumn kettle
hey what the fuck
vagrant spruce
and you just don't lose much
elfin ravine
I think this might be counting all charges together?
brave flower
yeah
vagrant spruce
i mean yeah it definitely is
hollow elm
Yea, max potential is the whole ammo count
elfin ravine
never used the drill
vagrant spruce
i thought they were wayy closer. that's fascinating
inner fog
hey what the fuck
Holy moly guess I was right about Drill
hollow elm
Drill better be worth a lot with how hard it is to land
vagrant spruce
i'll have to try out the VV, i don't think i've used it once
elfin ravine
how does the drill actually work?
vagrant spruce
its like a gigapogo i think, kinda
inner fog
Just a straight down multi-hit pogo basically
vagrant spruce
or maybe like a pogo version of a charged slash
inner fog
nice for beast with its wacky ||spindash||
brave flower
ARCHI BYPASSES PARRIES
vagrant spruce
some, yeah, not everything will stagger out
elfin ravine
ARCHI BYPASSES PARRIES
oh sick
hollow elm
Yea, the ||multi-hit triggers the parry, and keeps going||
vagrant spruce
it's almost indisputably the strongest, i think
autumn kettle
and seemingly everyone else's
elfin ravine
maybe I should have used it more
autumn kettle
it really needs to take a hit or two
vagrant spruce
shaman is probably better by virtue of needing negative quantities of skill to use if you have a good setup
hollow elm
Archi's regular swings seem alright, bu I don't think the Tool system was scaled for it's capacity.
vagrant spruce
because you can entirely run around and wait for enough soul regen to spam spells
but archi seems to be cracked out considering you like. can just buy infinite shell shards for minimal effort, i guess
hollow elm
I think the cost of Skills is another factor holding them back compared to tool spam
elfin ravine
I mainly didn't want to use Architect because I don't want to care about shards
vagrant spruce
well i think skills obliterate tools for everything than the hardest boss fights, to be fair
hollow elm
True, and the shard cost hurts more when you're throwing them all over the place
elfin ravine
having to farm shard bundles is just annoying
vagrant spruce
no shard cost and just with shaman w/ nails you can obliterate every enemy in the open world. if you go into a miniboss with full soul you can often kill the entire thing with like 6 casts in a row
hollow elm
It's a speedbump in Act 2, but I can see it being a hassle with 20 carry limit
vagrant spruce
i don't think so - you just bank rosaries and go back to buy more
autumn kettle
shaman's also a monster, but it seems to require more overall setup
and is less burst-capable
vagrant spruce
shaman's also a monster, but it seems to require more overall setup
yeah, i think the main thing is that it's locked behind act 3
autumn kettle
and that
vagrant spruce
and is less burst-capable
disagree - 6 nail casts in a row is enough burst
autumn kettle
oh right flealia
vagrant spruce
especially if theyre getting the bonuses from barbed bracelet
hollow elm
I still want to try using Reaper a bit more with the ||mirror, multibind, injector|| combo, since it's loops well with bonus silk after bind.
hoary tulip
okay
vagrant spruce
I still want to try using Reaper a bit more with the ||mirror, multibind, inject...
hm yeah im curious if thats fun. i did a lot of my early game w/ reaper injector+multi, and i can confirm that's very good & very beginner friendly
hollow elm
I will warn it will blow out your eyes with every bind using that combo.
vagrant spruce
this is probably the archi setup
do you have tacks in there for a specific reason? i wasn't impressed by their apparent damge output
... though i suppose apparently the red tool damage table says they're pretty good
hollow elm
Tacks are passive damage, can throw aprox x3 before they desapwn.
autumn kettle
do you have tacks in there for a specific reason? i wasn't impressed by their ap...
ease of output
elfin ravine
you can just scatter them around and they do damage
autumn kettle
and output burst
vagrant spruce
yeah, fair. i was using the air spikes for that, idr their name
hollow elm
I've absolutely melted a mini-boss with x3 tacks, and 1+1 Sting Shards.
brave flower
im a little sad architect is so busted
vagrant spruce
i think i just picked up tacks really late lol
brave flower
i just want to use the funny drill and contraptions
rose granite
Tacks are passive damage, can throw aprox x3 before they desapwn.
Ah yes, passive https://youtu.be/M24xVpUPuyE?si=Q4uuf-Ti81F9lS2_ (Act 2 boss spoiler)
rose granite
i just want to use the funny drill and contraptions
I mean you can
vagrant spruce
Ah yes, passive <https://youtu.be/M24xVpUPuyE?si=Q4uuf-Ti81F9lS2_> (Act 2 boss s...
that is a hilarious video
rose granite
You don't need to spam all the tools
autumn kettle
this is also just...such a long fucking great slash
hollow elm
The thing about Architect for me is it takes work to get the tools to make it functional, and it's fine outside of melting hard encounters.
vagrant spruce
this is also just...*such* a long fucking great slash
brave flower
this is also just...*such* a long fucking great slash
archi might be comparable given that it moves you forward a fair bit
brave flower
btw archi horizontal range is ABSURD
autumn kettle
but less safety on it
brave flower
all its horizontal attacks move it forward
vagrant spruce
i think the only crests id like touched a little bit would be archi, and maybe give a little buff to beast, idk. i feel like theres a world where beast could just get like more than 3 masks worth of lifestea on its bind
give it like 5 / 10 with multibind, or something
elfin ravine
this is also just...*such* a long fucking great slash
it was very funny joking to friends that ||the MLGS is now in Silksong||
hollow elm
I'll try to make a more silk focused build later too, but the difficulty in getting silk in Act 1, and partway through Act 2 is rough. ||Somewhat thematic too, considering how much of Citadel is powered by Cogwork contraptions.||
brave flower
it was very funny joking to friends that ||the MLGS is now in Silksong||
"joking"?
i feel like theres a world where witch crest bind also refunds silk per hit
vagrant spruce
i forgot witch crest existed tbh. i feel like its almost intentionally the weakest
brave flower
i get that thats reaper's thing but it would certainly help how difficult it is to heal with it
autumn kettle
i think the only crests id like touched a little bit would be archi, and maybe g...
beast is extremely fine
it hits like a truck
its bind is not for healing, it's for slaughter
vagrant spruce
i tested and the bind doesnt' seem to buff your damage by that much?
hollow elm
Beast is intentionally limited because it's buffed to high hell after it's accelerated bind.
vagrant spruce
it didn't increase my TTK on random fodder
hollow elm
I've mainly noticed: ||lifesteal, range boost, attack speed boost. I've heard it gets bonus damage too?||
vagrant spruce
it definitely doesn't get bonus damage
elfin ravine
i forgot witch crest existed tbh. i feel like its almost _intentionally_ the wea...
I like the moveset of it, but the Bind is too much hassle
hollow elm
I'll probably mess around with Witch when I can, hopefully more info about it later.
vagrant spruce
idk. maybe my problem is just that without injector band, it's a bit of a long animation to use to get your super mode, and the super mode didn't seem worth the effective chargeup time it has
brave flower
btw does the faydown cloak always make you immune to cold?
hollow elm
Beast's default bind speed already felt fast to me
vagrant spruce
cold yes, ice water no
elfin ravine
btw does the faydown cloak always make you immune to cold?
yes
brave flower
would it just be like
nerfing polyp pouch, or
hollow elm
Polyp Pouch does feel a bit too impactful to not run on Architect especially.
vagrant spruce
i also think, oddly enough, beast crest gets obliterated by witch crest for lifesteal if you build for it
vagrant spruce
witch crest is oddly good at healing considering it damages + heals at the same time, and heals really fast, its just hard to heal with
hollow elm
I've been getting more practice with Beast, and mainly want some form of backup heal outside of aggro situations.
hollow elm
Warding Bell is more of a backup plan
brave flower
what does it actually do btw, is it like
super armor while binding so you dont eat shit if you get hit?
vagrant spruce
you don't take the damage but you still lose the silk/cancel the heal
elfin ravine
if you get hit while binding, you don't take damage
and do some damage around you
but you still lose the silk, yeah
brave flower
ah i see
vagrant spruce
warding bell doesnt do damage around you
brave flower
that sucks
elfin ravine
yeah it's not actually that good
brave flower
id rather it be the opposite 9 times out of 10
elfin ravine
getting your heal interrupted still sucks majorly with it
vagrant spruce
oh yeah its also kinda funny how much weaker architect silkshot is vs. the other options
hollow elm
I'd take injector before Warding, though it's good that Warding comes first.
hollow elm
oh yeah its also kinda funny how much weaker architect silkshot is vs. the other...
||I've heard it's burst fire but not much else||
elfin ravine
I'd take injector before Warding, though it's good that Warding comes first.
Injector is definitely much better
brave flower
injector feels mandatory 100% of the time on every crest
vagrant spruce
||I've heard it's burst fire but not much else||
its just noticeably worse damage than forge
elfin ravine
but Injector is also just really good
brave flower
its so good
elfin ravine
the bind speed is very noticeable
hollow elm
I've tried to limit myself to without Injector unless also using Multibind.
vagrant spruce
these won't make sense if you haven't seen a video of it, but the main relevant part is that while its not hard to land - it's going to underperform vs. other tools with a similar niche, imo
(damage numbers)
hollow elm
That really needs a buff then
vagrant spruce
yes, thouhg it's much better at landing than forge iirc
hollow elm
I've heard of recoil on Forge's shots
inner fog
less total damage and less ammo than forge wtf
brave flower
my GOAT the 12th architect is washed 😭
vagrant spruce
i mean again they do fire differently, but yeah. video comparison - ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY90R6D7FC0||
(skip to end, first is locations)
inner fog
Like, did they accidentally make the damage-per-shot 1 less than intended with the architect variant?
elfin ravine
ah I see, the Forge one does fire a lot faster
vagrant spruce
from another comment i saw - genuinely possibly. the damage is like, 7 on the first / 4 / 3 on the subsequents or something (not like first fired but first that contacts)
hoary tulip
Uhh re Warding Bell
elfin ravine
still kinda like Weaver the most I think
vagrant spruce
so it's possible that it's not supposed to be limited like that, and it was an oversight, i think. idk
warding bell still consumes the silk spent for healing?
hoary tulip
Yes
autumn kettle
I’ll point out that using it prevents Silk leaks
that's only a problem if you get hit tho
hoary tulip
But if you get hit while Binding your ENTIRE silk bar leaks
autumn kettle
which isn't a problem in boss fights, really
hoary tulip
Unless you use Warding Bell
vagrant spruce
ah, interesting - didn't notice that during my playthrough
brave flower
But if you get hit while Binding your ENTIRE silk bar leaks
ohhhh
vagrant spruce
since i mostly stopped getting hit during heals once i learned "that's bad, don't do that" and then in the endgame ||getting hit by most enemies leaks some soul anyway because of voided||
inner fog
But if you get hit while Binding your ENTIRE silk bar leaks
kinda expected ||Rune Rage|| to synergize with the binding tools since it has the same downside
but alas
hoary tulip
It already wipes out enemy wave encounters on its own
vagrant spruce
ah I see, the Forge one does fire a lot faster
though yeah, i think the forge / weaver ones are roughly equivalent. what isn't pictured there is that weaver pierces and forge doesn't
inner fog
Oh yeah, doesn’t exactly need a multibind effect lol
vagrant spruce
weaver kinda becomes "silkspear as a tool", which i personally value more than the sustained damage of forge anyway
inner fog
but a little alteration would’ve been neat, like some of the special charm combos in HK
hoary tulip
Tbh we’re still discovering a lot of combo interactions in Skong
vagrant spruce
hm. i haven't tested poison weaver silkshot. i wonder if it looks cool
brave flower
PURPLE LASER.
vagrant spruce
i'm about to test, hold up, launching silksong
hoary tulip
For example: ||Silkspeed Anklets + Scuttlebrace makes you la creatura||
vagrant spruce
that's not a unique interaction tho, right? you're just faster
inner fog
Oh yeah, doesn’t exactly need a multibind effect lol
Ooh, what if it ||gave you less runes, but a larger initial one around you a la Pure Vessel :0||
vagrant spruce
oh shit ok i gotta try
hoary tulip
You become much more able to scale walls
vagrant spruce
ah but it's not like a new animation or anything
hoary tulip
It is
brave flower
hey do either volt filament or polyp pouch interact with wispfire lantern
hot mango
Definitely hasn’t been the case with me. You sure it’s not one-shotting or somet...
Again I only managed to proc the heal once so it was probably just a fluke attempt- I’ve had the thing for a grand total of 5 minutes of playtime
vagrant spruce
no idts, i'll check in a sec tho
hoary tulip
||You get Silkspeed particle effects while in the scuttlebrace motion||
brave flower
Again I only managed to proc the heal once so it was probably just a fluke attem...
ive seen footage of witch bind healing 3 masks
hollow elm
Silksong pacing of items/upgrades seems to acocunt for the scale of the game much better, but ough I'm swinginging at walls everywhere trying to sniff out loot.
elfin ravine
hm. i haven't tested poison weaver silkshot. i wonder if it looks cool
Looked about the same, it just becomes ourple
vagrant spruce
ok yeah the only difference is that you're faster and its slightly better, there's no specific interaction otherwise w/ scuttle like there was in HK with dream wielder dream shield or anything
elfin ravine
Silksong pacing of items/upgrades seems to acocunt for the scale of the game muc...
There's so much stuff that's in random side room behind a breakable wall
vagrant spruce
Looked about the same, it just becomes ourple
hm its barely even purple, mostly just the poison drops after the shot
elfin ravine
Which also reminds me, anyone actually used Quick Sling?
hollow elm
I've found at least two sections now just getting bored, and noticing a background detail.
elfin ravine
The || double tool throw ||
vagrant spruce
i tried it, idk, i'm sure its good for burst but i wasn't super impressed
i'd rather just throw 2 most of the time, no?
hollow elm
The || double tool throw ||
||I'd easily take that for Straight Pin's massive capacity, seems excessive for most other tools though.||
brave flower
i dont think quicksling is very good mostly bc it actively lowers your total damage output from tools when you have polyp pouch equipped
elfin ravine
hmm, yeah that's true
vagrant spruce
no on the wispfire with volt or pollip. didn't expect it to work but i did try
autumn kettle
elfin ravine
how much silk do the wisps consume?
inner fog
One per wisp
vagrant spruce
1 bar and they fire fast enough to kinda make it hard to keep your silk full
i don't think its very good, their tracking is mediocre at best
wanton bone
Ah, Glowing Womb. Good to see you’re still actively bad.
vagrant spruce
the tracking is genuinely worse than glowing womb
brave flower
thats my WOAT right there
vagrant spruce
since those guys (sans def crest) didn't die on impact with walls/floors, they had to hit an enemy
the wisp does
vagrant spruce
oh man, the voltvessel into water is crazy, lemme screen record that
oh come on discord
brave flower
ZUEEEEEES
hollow elm
lmao holy shit
vagrant spruce
??? why am i unable to upload a mkv without it showing up fucked
hoary tulip
hold up
vagrant spruce
normally there's a delay tbc, in water it insta detonates
hoary tulip
here
hoary tulip
brave flower
thats nuts
hoary tulip
it makes a hell of a sound too
brave flower
those r act 3, right?
vagrant spruce
nope
inner fog
2, actually!
brave flower
👁️
vagrant spruce
they're just pretty well hidden, and relatively late in act 2
hollow elm
Act 2 is wildly huge
brave flower
ok i know what my next major objective is
inner fog
Hidden room in the ||Memorium||
vagrant spruce
||memorium, top right, go through a hidden passage wall on the floor right below the boss floor (the last exhibition floor)||
hoary tulip
they work similarly with the transformed version btw
brave flower
i havent found ||memorium|| yet
hoary tulip
obliterates the entire surface of the water you use it on
brave flower
im VERY early act 2, i kinda dropped everything and bumrushed architect
vagrant spruce
comparison w/ on land fwiw
it appears that the water effect happens any time the beam hits the water, but it'll just only explode instantly if it lands in water
inner fog
just look for the Inconspicuous green moss, you’ll know when you see it
vagrant spruce
i think you need wings to enter that place but idr
brave flower
comparison w/ on land fwiw
the fuckin ffxiv attack indicator LMAO
brave flower
i think you need wings to enter that place but idr
fortunately i just got my wings :D
vagrant spruce
huh. voltvessel might be the only one to not get a visual makeover with poison as well, btw, which is interesting
brave flower
its just already ourple
inner fog
already ourple
vagrant spruce
yeah i just expected like poison drops lol
hoary tulip
huh. voltvessel might be the only one to not get a visual makeover with poison a...
it does get one actually
changes the appearance of the initial projectile
brave flower
i also gotta grab flintslate, poison flintslate is absurd
vagrant spruce
ah true good catch. just no icon change or droplets
brave flower
polyp pouch sneaking its way into nail builds as well as tool builds 💀
elfin ravine
how are the bola form of voltvessel btw?
inner fog
Not sure how you poison lightning, but 🤷
hollow elm
I guess something to combust with the strike
hoary tulip
how are the bola form of voltvessel btw?
strong
inner fog
how are the bola form of voltvessel btw?
ya, there’s a button prompt to transform in the tool menu
vagrant spruce
bola is probably easier to use than stake but the stake dmg is better on single target
inner fog
completely free to do so
hoary tulip
anyone got tips for Act III: ||Flea Dodge||
vagrant spruce
the stake is surprisingly easy to land once you know the timing (so you don't throw right before the enemy moves)
inner fog
anyone got tips for Act III: ||Flea Dodge||
Uh, stay grounded mostly, that’s the best I can really give 💀
vagrant spruce
hm. the lightning doesn't seem to actually deal any poison at all, which is a little tragic - i know it doesnt' make a ton of sense but that'd have been cool
hoary tulip
damn
vagrant spruce
like you can poison if you hit with the stake or the bola itself, just not the lightning blasts. oh well
hot mango
God I’m still thinking about ||Greyroot snapping Hornet’s fucking neck- it doesn’t help that every time Hornet dies with the parasite it snaps her neck again and infests the cocoon||
elfin ravine
God I’m still thinking about ||Greyroot snapping Hornet’s fucking neck- it doesn...
oh interesting
never died with it
hot mango
I had no idea where to go + couldn’t bind so it happened frequently
autumn kettle
anyone got tips for Act III: ||Flea Dodge||
||flea dodge felt pretty easy to me, honestly||
||you can pogo the fleas, but i never really needed to||
||well, except the gigaflea||
||i pogo'd them a bit||
vagrant spruce
also i love hornet next to her memory crystal sculptures
elfin ravine
||i pogo'd them a bit||
oh interesting
elfin ravine
I just did double jump and float, and that's enough to last until the platform comes back
hoary tulip
||flea dodge felt pretty easy to me, honestly||
yeah well I thought the flea juggle was ez
vagrant spruce
juggle was fucked for me too lol
inner fog
bounce was the ez one for me
hoary tulip
glad we can establish that I'm getting bodied by the easy game
inner fog
after PoE and all the Silksong playforming segments, it came naturally
vagrant spruce
for bounce my rec would be like, dont be afraid to jump/hover in midair if the airspace is clear for a bit
inner fog
juggle and dodge whooped my ass tho lol
vagrant spruce
er for dodge not bounce
its still relatively to strafe the vertical goons, and the fleas don't track you at all
fwiw, there's (act 3 npc quest spoilers) ||also seth's scores to beat. 55 juggle, 95 dodge, 68 bounce. those fucking killed me, but you get a memento for it||
hoary tulip
I'm gonna actually mald out
every time I hover in midair the platform switches to be higher so I instantly die lmfao
elfin ravine
fwiw, there's (act 3 npc quest spoilers) ||also seth's scores to beat. 55 juggle...
oh god
vagrant spruce
oh god
it was a bloodbath 😔 i think a lot of fleas narrowly escaped TBIs by wearing the proper safety gear
autumn kettle
how do you get ||Sprintmaster|| memento btw?
||come back later and do it again||
elfin ravine
ah okay
I did come back one time, but he still didn't say anything
vagrant spruce
i'm pretty sure you just gotta like bench or fast travel away and bench, then come back
the race is just the last race but with 2x as many laps, its not harder
proud cobalt
Ok I said it before partially as a joke... however... ||They do have chainsaw technology, the person I watch got to the Underworks.||
dreamy scarab
Starting to close in on the Citadel. Got through ||Sinner's Path|| with remarkably little gnashing of teeth (I did lose my beads once, but I converted most of them into rosaries)...seems like ||Bilewater|| wants a movement tool I don't have, though? Am I interpreting it right that I should probably move on to Blasted Steps at this point?
autumn kettle
||you can go through some of bilewater into an alternate path to the citadel||
||but most of it wants a movement tool you won't have until after you've reached said citadel, yeah||
dreamy scarab
thankies. ||I'm happy to take the normal route in, I'm just trying to avoid the critical path as much as possible.||
lapis siren
a third entrance has hit the citadel
elfin ravine
oh?
autumn kettle
oh, does the flea route take you past judge?
lapis siren
oh, does the flea route take you past judge?
||wisp thicket flea takes you into underworks||
brave flower
anyone know how to get the Sandcarver journal entry
wormways is my guess
are those sandcarvers? i dont actually know
autumn kettle
||wisp thicket flea takes you into underworks||
OH RIGHT!
this game is so fucking peak
hoary tulip
they are not sandcarvers
figured it out myself, you throw bombs into them at Blasted Steps
hollow elm
Hmm, I wonder if AoE in general hits them
green bone
elfin ravine
Good luck
torn sky
I gainted a new tool. A plasium vial!
brave flower
I gainted a new tool. A plasium vial!
try using it with the polyp pouch :D
brave flower
Don't have that one yet.
have you reached shellwood?
torn sky
I have yes
brave flower
alr
you get it from a wish in shellwood
i believe it should be in the top left of the second room from bellhart
torn sky
I've only gotten 4/8 of the hearts so far there. XD
I'm still hunting the rest
I'm kinda Doing Wishes before I progress the main story.
brave flower
not a bad way to do it
i thiiiiink you need to beat the boss in shellwood before you can finish the polyp heart wish? dont quote me on that tho
torn sky
Oh yeah, I just beat widow's ass main-boss-wise.
And got a heap of new wishes from the new town
So I figured I'd get stuff done there
brave flower
oh then you're good to go to finish the polyp wish
id recommend it too, the polyp pouch is Very Very Strong
granite hedge
||oh shit fr?||
HEHEHEHEHE ||WELCOME PHUCKEDLOOM||
solar elbow
||man. this loom is fucked.||
hoary tulip
100% completion obtained, all bosses dead, all tools obtained
elfin ravine
Nice
solar elbow
damn. i'm at 75%
spark ether
[late? act 2] ||mount fay|| is fucking evil
vagrant spruce
L + ratio + yeah you get really good at the ||clawline|| soon enough
spark ether
I just wish I could practice the jump I'm fucking up without immediately freezing to death after one attempt
brave flower
[late? act 2] ||mount fay|| is fucking evil
this is pretty early act 2, though you can put it off for a while tmk
i love mount fay
green bone
I feel like I am doing something wrong because I am finding exactly zero maps, Act 2
hoary tulip
look for rings
green bone
I got ||The Vaultkeeper's melody before finding the map for the Whispering Vault||
hoary tulip
oh
no that's standard
All the Citadel maps are tucked away in asinine places
part of the Citadel Experience™
spark ether
I got ||The Vaultkeeper's melody before finding the map for the Whispering Vault...
oh that makes sense tbh, so did I lol
||that map in particular is very well hidden||
vagrant spruce
there's an odd number of them that are located ||directly above the bench in a hidden room, accessible by jumping/climbing into the ceiling corners||
torn sky
That fucking ||Skull Tyrant||, it ||killed my friend. I liked checking in on him every time I returned to bone hollow||
spark ether
I love how two people can have such different experiences with games
||I didn't know/notice I could even talk to him, so I didn't even know his name||
torn sky
||Pilby||
spark ether
||Pilby 😌 ||
also AAAAAA
one the one hand ||I finally beat* mount fay||
on the other hand ||I feel like I just had a heart attack bc I just got jumped by a fucking moth||
oh wait ||is this thing actually just a bird||?
vagrant spruce
yeah it's just fluffy i think
spark ether
it looks ||birdlike enough sitting down that my lepodopterophobia isn't freaking out as much|| so I'll take it lol
vagrant spruce
the idea is that you get the down feathers, which pretty clearly implicates it as a bird i think?
hidden flame
it looks ||birdlike enough sitting down that my lepodopterophobia isn't freaking...
This actual, or lore-based? /genq
spark ether
This actual, or lore-based? /genq
actual
spark ether
the idea is that you get the down feathers, which pretty clearly implicates it a...
yeah but it is Bug Game™, it would make sense for ||down to be moth fluff||
brave flower
yeah but it is Bug Game™, it would make sense for ||down to be moth fluff||
did u see the note at the bottom of the mountain? the weavers see it as an eldrith god of some sort
spark ether
did u see the note at the bottom of the mountain? the weavers see it as an eldri...
I did, which also ||lead me to the conclusion of moth||
I was even mentally preparing myself a little and still freaked the fuck out
green bone
||Whiteward, just Whiteward||
hoary tulip
enjoying Bloodborne?
elfin ravine
It really just ramps up the horror significantly for a bit
elfin ravine
It does feel like you suddenly get a ton of spool fragments yeah
green bone
|| What do you mean it didnt have the grappling hook?(whatever you use to interact with the suspended bronze rings everywhere)) either||
solar elbow
how tf do i get there (v late game)
thorny bear
||not from shellwood||
solar elbow
||from blasted steps? i've been looking all over that place||
vagrant spruce
||from blasted steps? i've been looking all over that place||
nope. ||left of the bench in grand gate you can see in your pic lol||
solar elbow
||motherfucker||
vagrant spruce
yep
solar elbow
||seth is kicking my ass :(||
hollow elm
(Act 2, area, tool) I think ||claw mirror|| has a (radius blast, + shaped visuals) to the explosions.
sinful stirrup
I like this boss a lot but their ability to just nosell your attacks, seemingly randomly, feels a little horseshit
||First Sinner, really cool expansion of widow||
sinful stirrup
Same area" ||Brood mother, on the other hand, feels like shit||
hollow elm
(Act 2, "that room") That was significantly easier after leaving to explore for more gear. ||Finished the battle with a Silkshot blast||.
(Act 2 tool) Hmm, ||I can confirm the Silkshot uses a bar of silk on top of the ammo.||
solar elbow
||seth is kicking my ass :(||
||fun fact! Seth can clip outside of the boss arena!||
granite hedge
(Act 2 tool) Hmm, ||I can confirm the Silkshot uses a bar of silk on top of the ...
||Silk and shell shards!||
hollow elm
(Act 2) What in the unholy hell is going on in ||Putrefied Ducts. Got pointed in this direction by a wish.||
rose granite
(Act 2) What in the unholy hell is going on in ||Putrefied Ducts. Got pointed in...
I think the answer is in the first half of the name
Still ||it does feel a bit like Bilewater 2.0, doesn't it?||
hollow elm
This is more straight horror than platforming survival
umbral canyon
hey do you get locked out of any wishes when you start act 3? I only have the last batch of ||songclave|| ones, the ||sentinel and merchant|| ones to finish i'm pretty sure
rose granite
hey do you get locked out of any wishes when you start act 3? I only have the la...
If you don't do the ||the huntress one, you aren't locked out of it but she is eaten by her kids apparently.||
Which makes sense considering the context of the quest
umbral canyon
yeesh, ok yeah i've done that one ty. i have the uh ||weapon upgrades|| too which someone strongly recommended i get before starting 3
ok, time to go see what the business is
umbral canyon
oh that is a short run to the ||bad end||
um, i do hope killing ||lace|| doesn't lock me out of the good ending or anything?
hollow elm
(Act 2) ||First Sinner's head is too big, zones out Wanderer with sheer contact damage risk||
elfin ravine
um, i do hope killing ||lace|| doesn't lock me out of the good ending or anythin...
It doesn't, you need to do that fight either way
hollow elm
Boss down, had to use dash attack a lot more than I'm used to. I can see how Wanderer's short range can be a problem later on now.
elfin ravine
A lot of the later bosses are very zippy
Need to basically chase them down to get any hits
hollow elm
Getting a lot of value from the ||Claw Mirror, Multibinder, and Injector Band|| Tool combo during staggers. ||Deals a ton of damage while also healing safely.||
wanton bone
Huh. I wonder what the routing for overdose% looks like. Seems like one of the more potentially interesting meme runs, in the same way Great Hopper had some weird skip techs.
brave flower
oh huh thats an interesting one
do they use architect or are there alternate methods?
wanton bone
I don't think it's routed yet, just looks like a potentially interesting non-serious run.
wanton bone
I think Architect is the best option though.
brave flower
get architect -> get plasmium phial -> get enough silk for a billion refills
might be faster to go back to greymoor and buy a bunch of drinks for silk purposes?
wanton bone
||Wormways worms|| are infinite silk.
brave flower
OH RIGHT
torn sky
I got the Boomerang-like tool + poison and it's been doing work
A big boss can get hit like half a dozen times rapidly with one throw.
brave flower
||Wormways worms|| are infinite silk.
yeah so once you get the phial the run is over
brave flower
I got the Boomerang-like tool + poison and it's been doing *work*
have you tried plasmium phial + poison yet? its very cool
torn sky
have you tried plasmium phial + poison yet? its very cool
I tried it, then I exploded. I'm not sure what it did. XD
brave flower
I tried it, then I exploded. I'm not sure what it did. XD
it turns the blue mask into a purple mask that explodes into a poison cloud either when you get hit or after a brief delay!
torn sky
Ah, that explains the explosion.
brave flower
yeah its awesome
formal zenith
has anyone done the ||balm for the wounded|| quest? i don't understand how to deal with the ||double morticians|| when i have barely any room to dodge and can't clearly see what they're doing
rose granite
has anyone done the ||balm for the wounded|| quest? i don't understand how to de...
Oh that one, tbh I kind just used tools to burst down one of them
I suspect tacks would work well there
formal zenith
i don't have tacks yet :/
brave flower
i don't have tacks yet :/
you can go grab em, theyre in sinners road
not too bad when u know where they are
formal zenith
feels kinda lame if you can just trivialize the fight with tools but are screwed without them
brave flower
(blindly exploring sinners road is atrocious)
brave flower
feels kinda lame if you can just trivialize the fight with tools but are screwed...
thats not... what orange was saying
tmk
tools are just kinda busted rn
on that note i feel like Tools Themselves arent necessarily the problem
i think the issue is that there are so many different ways to boost them
between architect letting you run 3 red tools and also repair them and polyp pouch adding an absurd amount of damage to tools in general
elfin ravine
feels kinda lame if you can just trivialize the fight with tools but are screwed...
you can do it without tools too
formal zenith
i mean i don't think it's great design to introduce an enemy in an area where you have plenty of room to dodge, then require you to beat two of them at the same time in a tiny poorly lit room
elfin ravine
especially if you can get both of them into the same corner
they only have two real attacks, the charge and the jump
you can just jump and pogo over the charge, and space the jump
formal zenith
what am i supposed to do if one of them jumps at me while i'm trying to dodge the other one charging though
elfin ravine
also focus on one of them if you can, to take it out quicker
umbral canyon
Boss down, had to use dash attack a lot more than I'm used to. I can see how Wan...
I use longnail with it tbh
Longnail seems like it might make Beast salvageable too
formal zenith
aight i tried exploring sinner's road
nah lmao
brave flower
aight i tried exploring sinner's road
nah lmao
reasonable reaction to sinner's road
that place is rough
also im ngl i was really hoping there would be pogoing in mount fay
i was hoping for an architect pogo training montage
hollow elm
Mount Fay was more of a ||wall/ledge tech|| showcase, makes you go faster in other areas after learning.
green bone
I swear there are some enemy moves who are designd not to actually try to damage but to just waste your time
hoary tulip
usually those are a prompt to use a movement technique you haven't considered yet
unless it's the 360 degree AoE of pain and suffering
green bone
Im thinking about this guys delayed AoE (different from their ||the floor is lava attack||)
hoary tulip
||Run under them when they jump up for it||
hoary tulip
You can stack the deck in your favor for this encounter
autumn kettle
feels kinda lame if you can just trivialize the fight with tools but are screwed...
coming back to this, i did that quest with wanderer and no tools or spells, you are not screwed without them
hoary tulip
has anyone done the ||balm for the wounded|| quest? i don't understand how to de...
just pogo?
||Morticians|| only have one attack they can use on you if you aren't in their face
green bone
You can stack the deck in your favor for this encounter
||Is it gonna cost a key tho?||
hoary tulip
no
green bone
i have no idea then
formal zenith
yeah idk i just cheesed it with pollip sting shard
elfin ravine
you can leave Forum for later
green bone
go do other stuff, finish some quests
i don wanna tho
(also Im pretty sure Im on intended progression lvl anyways)
rose granite
this feels impossible
What's your nail/tool damage at?
green bone
rose granite
There are primarily two different avenues to make it easier, but yeah I got to that fight early and it sucked for pretty much the reasons fights like that can suck (and when those issues were resolved I cleared it on my second try ;p).
Yeah I'd say go to ||Whispering Vaults|| to get a nail upgrade, and potentially look into a tool damage one. There are also, bit of a bigger spoiler, ||two different questlines you can complete for either Garamond&Zaza or Shakra to unlock them as helpers for the fights. I don't know if both can help you for it, or if it's a question of either/or||
I'll fully admit that I'm not a big fan of this being the advice I'd give on it ||but more than any other kind of boss fight, arena battles against multiple adds in games tend to be a question of either CC or damage as to not get overwhelmed by the various overlapping attack patterns. Simply put it's a tad bit too chaotic if you can't burst down select foes immediately.||
rose granite
feels kinda lame if you can just trivialize the fight with tools but are screwed...
You can do it without tools, I enjoyed using skills on them, but if there's a struggle and clinging to a wall isn't quite working either I'd say ||getting the double jump from Mount Fey should make them a lot easier to manage.||
Ah, see that you did manage to clear it.
green bone
Yeah I'd say go to ||Whispering Vaults|| to get a nail upgrade, and potentially ...
||I do have the gourmand quest for the oil but it looked like the kinda thing I need to unlock the melodies to be able to complete||
elfin ravine
||you don't necessarily, the food stuff is all accessible once you have double jump||
||but there is also just a second oil in the Vaults, that is much easier to get||
dreamy scarab
you can go grab em, theyre in sinners road
Can I get a vague hint as to where? I thought I was pretty thorough, but I must've missed them
autumn kettle
Can I get a vague hint as to where? I thought I was pretty thorough, but I must'...
||in the central vertical screen||
thorny bear
post-commentated speedrun explaining everything, if anyone was curious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWgAOLujsA0
severe swift
I didnt grab a map from shakra once and now shes gone ||bilewater|| does anyone know where I can find her in act 2
hoary tulip
I didnt grab a map from shakra once and now shes gone ||bilewater|| does anyone ...
||She has a permanent location in Bellhart you can ring the bell at to summon her||
spark ether
heya quick act 2 spoiler question ||does something happen in the coral tower in sands of karak later?||
like ||that's obviously the dude/area from the trailer||
wanton bone
Much later. You'll know when you need to go back.
spark ether
perfect, all I need to hear!
formal zenith
do you need any special equipment to explore ||mount fay||? i found the entrance but i noticed ||the ice effect on my masks|| so i wasn't sure if ||i'm just gonna be taking periodic damage without some kind of cold resistance||
brave flower
do you need any special equipment to explore ||mount fay||? i found the entrance...
you do not need cold resistance to climb mount fay ||but the flintslate does make you temporarily coldproof, which could make it easier||
theoretically if you're fast enough you dont take any cold damage
autumn kettle
do you need any special equipment to explore ||mount fay||? i found the entrance...
||you are not intended to have any kind of cold immunity: just be fast||
brave flower
if you're taking a lot of cold damage theres probably a faster route
autumn kettle
you can take 0 damage as long as you're decisive
formal zenith
all right, i'll give it a shot then
brave flower
i did, i can confirm it was really fun
brave flower
all right, i'll give it a shot then
the tools id recommend are ascendant's grip, weavelight and maybe plasmium phial
hoary tulip
This is a speed climbing challenge
brave flower
- weavelight lets you harpoon more
- ascendants grip lets you cling onto certain very important walls for longer
- plasmium phial is more health
formal zenith
actually wait are you supposed to enter from somewhere other than ||the slab||
brave flower
nope
thorny bear
you should do it as soon as you have access
formal zenith
do you need ||the harpoon|| then?
brave flower
yes
formal zenith
ah
that's my problem lol
brave flower
thorny bear
wait how are you there??
formal zenith
so uh
i kinda don't know where to go atm
||i'm pretty sure i cleared out whiteward||
||i tried exploring the cogwork core but i could only access the bottom part bc i don't have a double jump yet||
||i guess i could try finishing sinner's road but it feels like it won't get me closer to progressing the main story||
am i missing something obvious
brave flower
so uh
i kinda don't know where to go atm
||i'm pretty sure i cleared out whitewa...
try exploring underworks more
maybe theres another entrance (to the underworks that is)
autumn kettle
so uh
i kinda don't know where to go atm
||i'm pretty sure i cleared out whitewa...
you are incorrect on one of these
and correct on the other two
formal zenith
ahhhh ok i found ||clawline|| this should open up a ton of areas
brave flower
ahhhh ok i found ||clawline|| this should open up a ton of areas
theeeere you go
NOW you can do mount fay :D
hollow elm
Mount Fay is surprisingly possible, ||especially as you learn movement quirks the layout pushes you towards using (wall-dashing into ledges).||
formal zenith
.....ok i really suck at using this
brave flower
.....ok i really suck at using this
thats what mount fay is for!
formal zenith
i have died like 5 times trying to get out of the ||clawline|| room
one of those was to the gauntlet
autumn kettle
don't worry, i did too
genuinely died like a dozen times before I rebound my keys to feel good
formal zenith
why can you not clawline out of a jump off a ring
it feels so unintuitive
autumn kettle
and then it clicked and it was the best movement tool in a metroidvania I've ever used
autumn kettle
why can you not clawline out of a jump off a ring
it feels so unintuitive
you can
what you're missing is that harpoon costs 1 silk
formal zenith
....that would've been nice to know
formal zenith
also there is definitely a window where you can't do it, i think it's while she's still spinning from the jump
brave flower
also there is _definitely_ a window where you can't do it, i think it's while sh...
yeah i think so
autumn kettle
you can do it while spinning, just not immediately
formal zenith
what on earth is the timing for that then
because it feels like every time i try, my input gets eaten
and i die to lava
brave flower
the thing that makes clawline so brilliant to me is that they clearly knew it was unintuitive, so they immediately added a couple of areas that served as crash courses on how to use it
and once you get the hang of it it feels incredible
formal zenith
wow they actually let me skip the gauntlet out of pity
brave flower
wdym
formal zenith
i just got to the room and the exit is just open
brave flower
ah
formal zenith
i think i need to put the game down, this has been incredibly frustrating
brave flower
i definitely had to rebind my stuff after getting the clawline
hollow elm
what you're missing is that harpoon costs 1 silk
I've been using (Act 1 Tool) ||Weavelight's +1 silk heart|| a ton when using that heavily to flow better overall.
||Two silk hearts lets you zip more without stopping as much||
autumn kettle
yeah i def would've as well if i hadn't missed it until act 3
formal zenith
i don't think the button mapping is my problem
the delay on when you can input clawline again after jumping off a ring is just really unintuitive
and if your positioning is slightly off when you try to hit a ring you just get fucked
hollow elm
Mmm, yea. I will say the hitbox is suprisingly forgiving, but also minimum range
formal zenith
where is ||weavelight|| again? is it in ||hunter's march||?
autumn kettle
i prommy it feels like 100x better once you adjust a bit
this was also my opinion for the first like
20 min of use
and then the download happened
ime there are two kinds of clawline experience
instant drift compatibility
hoary tulip
It does definitely take a little adjusting to, but once you get the hang of like, where in a jump arc you’re intended to use the ||harpoon||, it makes a lot of sense and feels very good to use
autumn kettle
and this sucks for 10-30 minutes and then drift compatibility
hoary tulip
The general rule of thumb is that ascending ||harpoon|| isn’t a thing and the game will never expect you to use ||harpoon|| until you’ve hit the top of your jump arc
hollow elm
where is ||weavelight|| again? is it in ||hunter's march||?
(Act 1) Back in ||a hidden area of Weavenest (Atla), after an arena encounter||.
autumn kettle
||atla innit? like atlas||
hoary tulip
You can do it to a degree, but any time you have to ||harpoon|| to something lower than full jump height, the game is expecting you to either use it on the way down or to short-hop
formal zenith
i just feel like there was a better way to introduce all the nuances of the mechanic than "lmao enjoy struggling your way out of this room for 10 minutes, hope you didn't have a ton of rosaries"
idk maybe i need to stop worrying about dying in this game, it feels like you're basically expected to die within 5 min of entering any new area
hoary tulip
I won’t say you for-sure are, but the game expects you to string rosaries you’re not actively using
formal zenith
(Act 1) Back in ||a hidden area of Weavenest (Atla), after an arena encounter||.
....that's an act 1 area??
guess i didn't explore hard enough
hollow elm
Yeeea, with Act 2 especially, stringing/stockpiling stringed rosaries lets you worry less about dumping beads.
There's a wild degree of hidden spots in Silksong scattered all over
autumn kettle
people desperately need to not think they'll tech losing their rosaries, because the 20 bead tax isn't that bad
formal zenith
yeah i guess i just need to make a habit of visiting bellhart every time i accumulate more than 140 rosaries
formal zenith
i guess that's one nice thing about act 2, you don't need to worry about money bc the citadel is filthy rich
hollow elm
I've been drowning in beads in mid-late Act 2 just exploring some spots
hoary tulip
Also like
brave flower
you can farm rosaries horrifyingly quickly
hoary tulip
If you DO drop 1000 rosaries in a cocoon
brave flower
as early as act 1
autumn kettle
silkeaters are an unlimited resource!
formal zenith
i already spent the single one i found
i assume there's a place you can get more, i just haven't found it yet
autumn kettle
use them
hoary tulip
There are like
autumn kettle
there are a bunch hidden in the early game
hoary tulip
16 in the game to find
autumn kettle
and then an infinite source npc
hoary tulip
And an unlimited source also that’s kinda tucked away
Fun fact
If you’re struggling with a boss runback
Silkeaters instantly get you 9 Silk gauge upon activation
hoary tulip
Yeah but if you’re running it back to a boss, your cocoon is in the boss arena
brave flower
i strategically placed a cocoon in a spot i wanted a silk refund and a pogo opportunity
it did not work but the idea was there
hoary tulip
I did this incidentally and skipped some REALLY bad jumps in the ||Surface Ascent||