on a boss fight?
#THE SILKSONG IS REAL
autumn kettle
hollow elm
Getting the swings in to heal is a big struggle, mid-air healing removes so much risk
autumn kettle
that was so fucking generous
3 hits is pretty normal
and not every boss attack even deals 2 damage, so it's even more than 3 hits
and so many bosses have like
lapis siren
Getting the swings in to heal is a big struggle, mid-air healing removes so much...
this is basically the same things people complained about on hk release though, in regards to struggling to find openings to attack, and i think its just a matter of learning about the fights
lapis siren
many bosses have what ill call "heal attacks" and "farm attacks"
where they deliberately open themselves up to cheap swings or have a clear free air space
autumn kettle
unfortunately i'm using the Lmao Idiot, Nice Air Heal crest
lapis siren
and i think thats much more interesting than the way heals worked in most hk bossfights
hollow elm
Yea, I've noticed healing during stagger is a big trap, since you're losing 2-4 free swings along the way
lapis siren
it also expects you to use those skills whenn you're full health
my biggest issue with act 2 boss was that i accidentally kept doing too much damage
autumn kettle
it expects you to remember that you have like a dozen different options at all points in time
lapis siren
and pushing the boss to later phases without meaning to
lapis siren
i love the silksong fights far more than most hk fights, yeah
it also just gives you SO many more options
hollow elm
Improved parrying in Silksong is so absurdly busted (cancels out damage on both sides) once you get a read on enemy movesets, and what is safe to relaibly parry.
lapis siren
one of my favourite bits of gameplay was combining a down pogo with dash into slash with drifter cloak into slash to get 3 hits in on a boss with a single attack of theirs
silksong is not a game about playing patiently and fair
autumn kettle
spoilers for a crest loadout, but this one is so fucking funny
lapis siren
its a game about realising how to exploit your enemies weaknesses until they fall apart crying
autumn kettle
Improved parrying in Silksong is so absurdly busted (cancels out damage on both ...
oh yeah i assume that if i had bothered to learn parrying instead of dodging, this final boss would be chump change
i have not
so i'm trying to lock the fuck in
and ultra instinct my way through it
but if you do!
damn you'll probably spend way fewer than the two and a half hours i've been on this boss
lapis siren
i think if you never played hk before it feels a lot less difficult than it does if you have played hk before
autumn kettle
that's probably also true
lapis siren
because if youve played hk then youre just gonna go huh wuh?? double damage
talk to me when you get hit for 3 damage.
hollow elm
Yea, I've had to adjust to Hornet's moveset and options. Much more focus on not getting hit/being in a spot to get hit.
autumn kettle
talk to me when you get hit for 3 damage.
||lmao the grand mother silk|| and final boss attacks that deal 3 are so fucking funny
especially because i've been using the double damage taken charm for like
80% of my playtime
lapis siren
ultimately though i think a lot of the "issues" are just that the game design is very different from hollow knights
skong is far less linear, far more focused on having engaging combat, and far more interested in fights being fast paced
elfin ravine
I disagree and do think Silksong is just actually way harder than HK
autumn kettle
it's definitely that too
lapis siren
its definitely harder than hk
autumn kettle
because hollow knight is not a hard game
hollow elm
talk to me when you get hit for 3 damage.
(Act 1, Tool) ||I find it incredibly funny there's a Tool that makes you always take double damage (even up to 4-masks), but you deal x2 needle damage in return.
Speeds up farming if you're confident you won't get blasted horribly in 2-3 attacks.||
autumn kettle
with like two boss exceptions
lapis siren
i just think you notice that difference more if you have played hk
since you have the frame of reference for one mask damage
but if youve never played hk then youre not exactly going to be pondering the change
sinful stirrup
See, I haven't played hk in an age and I never beat it, but I feel like I'm doing okay at hk, though I am a sekiro sicko
hoary tulip
Act III very early boss spoiler: ||YES! MY BUGGY BUDDY! MY BABY! MY BELLWAY BUDDY BUG!||
autumn kettle
you mean at ss?
autumn kettle
Act III very early boss spoiler: ||YES! MY BUGGY BUDDY! MY BABY! MY BELLWAY BUDD...
||the babies are so fucking cute||
lapis siren
sekiro is definitely a much more difficult game than hk
autumn kettle
||and i found the boss neat||
elfin ravine
I also find the difficult a bit inconsistent at times
wanton bone
Do you start counting from 0 or 1 for nail? HK community tends to start from 1.
hoary tulip
||and i found the boss neat||
it WAS
elfin ravine
the final boss of act 2 was IMO far easier than a lot of the fights you need to do to even get there
lapis siren
well, we're not an array so i think we usually start at 1
lapis siren
the final boss of act 2 was IMO far easier than a lot of the fights you need to ...
i would disagree
autumn kettle
1 -> free -> oil -> oil -> oil
lapis siren
i think you may just be good at that fight
autumn kettle
this is why i said nail 5
sinful stirrup
I mean sekiros traversal is a cinch
autumn kettle
and needle 5
hoary tulip
also: poison rings was nutty good in that fight
autumn kettle
i think you may just be good at that fight
nah it's considered a pretty easy fight
sinful stirrup
But I think sekiro taught me was failure tolerance
lapis siren
its mostly just stay away
wanton bone
Hollow Knight did the same thing.
hollow elm
I will admit, I've ran ZeroRanger a fair bit before jumping into Silksong.
autumn kettle
of act 2?
lapis siren
but the number of required bosses to reach it is quite low ngl
autumn kettle
i thought you said you were in the middle of act 2
wanton bone
This should also probably be spoilers.
lapis siren
act 1 boss is much tougher
autumn kettle
yeah act 1 final boss was neat
lapis siren
spoilers: silksong will have you play as 'hornet' a lost bug from 'hallownest'
elfin ravine
||Judge|| is honestly harder than ||Grand Mother Silk||
sinful stirrup
Is act 1 boss ||judge||?
elfin ravine
Is act 1 boss ||judge||?
yes, though there is also an alternative technically
sinful stirrup
Huh okay
lapis siren
I'm just glad I don't have to use crystal dash anymore
sinful stirrup
The runback is diabolical, but I'm getting better at it
lapis siren
The runback is diabolical, but I'm getting better at it
For the act 1 boss?
sinful stirrup
Yeah
lapis siren
oh
It's pretty straightforward
Just hold dash
You can ignore literally every enemy on the route
hollow elm
I've noticed that (while watching) others struggle with the runback
sinful stirrup
I mean, the platforming with y he 2 dmg hazards
autumn kettle
the platforming is really easy though
lapis siren
you can go to the right to skip a lot and it's just two bells
autumn kettle
pogos are your friend
sinful stirrup
It's a lot of potential points of failure
Also I don't have that skip
I'll see if I can find it
lapis siren
it's really just one room with some vertical movement
I found the visual effects more annoying than the gameplay
sinful stirrup
From the bellway bench?
sinful stirrup
I've been doing at least two sets of bell pogos
rose granite
The runback is diabolical, but I'm getting better at it
It did become easier for me once I realised you could take the tunnel path, effectively cutting out a parkour section and a fight, but it does continue to have a rather annoyingly placed enemy at the start
lapis siren
There should be one to reach a vertical wall and one bell pogo at the end
lapis siren
It did become easier for me once I realised you could take the tunnel path, effe...
You can ignore the endmy
again
Just hold dash, ignore it and jump
rose granite
It's the one enemy I can post a picture of the spawn location and count on someone replying with "OH THAT FUCKER"
lapis siren
you will not hit it
If you pause the dash you will hit it
you just have to keep running
rose granite
I have been hit by it enough to have a fine time killing it, and didn't mind the 10 seconds or so to do that.
Like to be clear Calamity, I do know what to do, I just also recognise "yeah that particular enemy was annoying to me and seems to have annoyed others too".
lapis siren
I did the boss yesterday and I can very much say that the enemy can be avoided without changing any route and without stopping
sinful stirrup
Yeah I'm latter runs i can usually dunk it into the vürms with s pogo attack
lapis siren
I found it annoying too
Then I realised I could just
Ignore it basically
and I became enlightened
hollow elm
It has a pretty long windup time
lapis siren
once you stop respecting your foe, you will reach new heights
sinful stirrup
I found the runback and boss time as a whole was like 2min per attempt, coz I was watching the clock for bedtime
lapis siren
you are definitely taking a longer route than i had then
rose granite
That something has a solution isn't I think that strong of an argument towards "yeah I found this part annoying" I don't think. I did enjoy the rest of the runback though once I realised the intended path.
lapis siren
My runback was usually 30-45 seconds
rose granite
I found the runback and boss time as a whole was like 2min per attempt, coz I wa...
Yeah that's the other thing, this shortcut is both important and for some reason weirdly obscured
sinful stirrup
I'm probably missing a shortcut
autumn kettle
oh shit
act 3 final boss defeated
damn, i was really expecting another phase to that
shocked there wasn't one
sinful stirrup
Congrats!
autumn kettle
guess that's gonna be in dlc
rose granite
With it the runback was honestly quite pleasant to me, without it I found it annoying. It's weird though because I think it's just a case of them not making it more prominent that makes it easy to miss.
lapis siren
I used it all the time I love it
spark ether
||savage beastfly|| down!
autumn kettle
grats!
lapis siren
I like when you hit the bells and they go ding
spark ether
maybe I'm just a bit overgeared, but I found that way less frustrating than some other bosses
lapis siren
nah it's not that bad just a lil cramped
hollow elm
I have reach the notorious Act 1 boss ||Savage Beastfly||, it is incredibly aware of your movements and tricks.
lapis siren
I also sometimes just get bored of a boss and throw pins at them until they die
This was my solution to fat bugs
spark ether
thats what I did to ||SB|| lol
lapis siren
you can just take shell fragments from some poor sod
I love how many bosses and enemies you just do not have to respect in any way
spark ether
its especially great on the bigguns if you have ||threefold||, firing off 30 of em in rapid succession tends to melt most things lol
sinful stirrup
I like the curveclaw myself, but 3x is good too
autumn kettle
okay! everything for % is done
time to finish the journal
and then the mementos
and then the rest of the materium
final boss build
i used the spellcaster crest with no spells
lapis siren
It's called nuu humour, buddy
brave flower
holy SHIT ||widow|| is fun
autumn kettle
yeah
spark ether
oh yeah
autumn kettle
i was a huge fan of ||widow|| and ||phantom||
spark ether
incredible boss
spark ether
having experienced nothing more satisfying in the game thus far than ||parrying through widow's charges||
tacit wadi
If hell is real I think it's just Bilewater
autumn kettle
lmao
tacit wadi
am I wrong though
brave flower
holy SHIT ||widow|| is fun
WOW
||phase 2 of that fight is EXACTLY what i wanted out of this game||
autumn kettle
i'm quite glad
hollow elm
Huh, was less painful than expected by playing more carefully, and by the boss's rules.
autumn kettle
which one?
tacit wadi
btw Topple, ||how/when did you get the True Ending quest? Was it in ACt 2 still?||
autumn kettle
btw Topple, ||how/when did you get the True Ending quest? Was it in ACt 2 still?...
yep
tacit wadi
cool
autumn kettle
it's tied to ||completion percentage||
tacit wadi
gotcha
autumn kettle
i suspected this was the case for a while
but i finally had it confirmed for me when a neurotic trans woman who compulsively checked the associated npc after literally every single thing she did reported back
and got it after ||a completely optional and missable silk heart||
hollow elm
which one?
||Savage Beastfly||, I'm pretty sure most players are taking self-inflicted contact damage by getting greedy at the wrong times.
autumn kettle
yep
hollow elm
I ran into this exact problem with later fliers
spark ether
huh
autumn kettle
like 90% of that boss is "i'm pretty sure i'm goated at hollow knight so this shit ain't nothin' to me man"
proceeds to eat shit and die 80x
spark ether
just fully stumbled into ||skull tyrant|| by accident and killed first try
spark ether
maybe I'm finally gitting gud lol
I'm still not a fan of a lot of the decisions regarding difficulty in this game, but I am having more fun
oh, can anyone give me a hint on how to ||get into the bell tunnels under bellhart?||
I have a quest that needs me to go there and I haven't the faintest idea how
autumn kettle
oh, can anyone give me a hint on how to ||get into the bell tunnels under bellha...
||check the bellway||
hollow elm
||tbh, not everyone is sniffing walls like Doomguy||
autumn kettle
that one's not super obvious
inland widget
hey guys this thread has been popping up in mod lounge and there's a lot of like, understandable friction between people who are maybe having a bad time with the game and people who like the game and end up being put in a defensive stance over it
autumn kettle
i ran into it because it failed the vibe check for me
but there are some squirmy fucking secrets ||in bellways||
inland widget
anyway I just wanted to cc my general feelings from there to here which is: hey actually this is entirely what we try and police Your Fav Sucks stuff for actually. like big picture in pilot net liking something and not liking something are not equal positions
big picture I'd love people to talk about how much they like stuff and if they don't like stuff it's best they just don't say anything (unless there's some real world harm layer to it like jk rowling or whatever)
and like, ultimately this is just a vague guiding principle and not a hard rule and we're all sympathetic to people having a bad time and wanting to talk about their feelings here. but. there's a limit, really
especially with skong and how much everyone has been looking forward to this for like 10 years, it's like triply important that people just try to not get too wrapped up in their expectations for the game and crash out over it
drowsy moss
sorry again for babyraging in chat
i really think i do just need a drink of water and eight hours sleep
inland widget
you got me, was definitely reacting to your road rage moment yeah. stuff like this ^
🫂
you go do that
it's a video game and I'm sure that over time the experience will stabilize in retrospect and you'll have really enjoyed it all along
and I'm sure it'll get ten million updates and like 5 dlcs
this is team cherry
tacit wadi
understood boss
inland wave
Probably ought to fix that hardlock tho
umbral canyon
With it the runback was honestly quite pleasant to me, without it I found it ann...
yeah the runback wasn't the horror i was expecting, although those diagonal conefuckers are pretty annoying
||last judge|| is a cool boss though, had a hard time with some of the tells
the throw and charge attacks have very similar windups
inland wave
You have to respond to the spin windup instantly too
And if you guessed wrong or something usually puts you in Charge Position
elfin ravine
Yeah the spin comes out very quick
elfin ravine
You basically always need to stay ready to immediately dash out if it's the spin
drowsy moss
okay i've had my drink
i'm going to bed with positive thoughts and mellow vibes
uhhh the ||cogwork dancers|| were a really cool boss
spark ether
||check the bellway||
||are there more tunnels I need to be searching, or am I just ass at looking for these damn bells?||
I'm missing two
inland wave
Silver Bells quest designed by devils
umbral canyon
||are there more tunnels I need to be searching, or am I just ass at looking for...
oh, that one. ||they randomly respawn, so just keep entering and exiting||
weird, annoying, out of place quest design on that one
autumn kettle
ah, yeah, sorry
umbral canyon
the reward isn't particularly great either so don't feel bad if you skip it
autumn kettle
don't worry, you can just kinda afk
and wait for some to spawn
or kill the bell spiders
who can drop them
spark ether
ok that makes so much sense
severe swift
Finally beat TLJ. Great fight.
spark ether
I kinda thought I was going crazy watching them appear at my feet and thinking I had just missed em
autumn kettle
lmfao
yeah, they usually spawn by falling out of the ceiling
like the other background animation bells
umbral canyon
yeah no other quest so far has been like that so i was legit gaslighted into thinking i was discovering new areas over and over
drowsy moss
uhhh the ||cogwork dancers|| were a really cool boss
||the way that each phase builds on the previous is really fun and lasts just long enough for it to be a cool gimmick before becoming exhausting||
autumn kettle
or from bell spiders
haughty oasis
can i ask what people here think of the ||witch|| crest
autumn kettle
can i ask what people here think of the ||witch|| crest
really fucking hard to use
haughty oasis
okay yeah
autumn kettle
but the moveset goes crazy hard
brave flower
i love everyone in ||bellhart||
autumn kettle
i love its down air
elfin ravine
can i ask what people here think of the ||witch|| crest
I like the attacks on it, but the bind seems annoying
haughty oasis
it feels kinda wack to me unless u know a boss really well
haughty oasis
the issue imo is that i tend to get a successful heal off but then i immediately get hit
so its kinda like
not worth it
autumn kettle
i gotta do the ||witch crest ending, now...||
elfin ravine
Lmao
autumn kettle
injector pins is definitely very worth it
elfin ravine
i gotta do the ||witch crest ending, now...||
Do a whole new playthrough for that? 😛
elfin ravine
injector pins is definitely *very* worth it
It's very good yeah
umbral canyon
i've switched to being a ||wanderer|| main at this point
elfin ravine
Been using that one for a while now
wanton bone
Do a whole new playthrough for that? 😛
There’s some save states at least.
haughty oasis
the default one feels the best to me
autumn kettle
Do a whole new playthrough for that? 😛
yes, it's a specific ending
autumn kettle
i'll do it with my speedrun achievement
spark ether
i've switched to being a ||wanderer|| main at this point
gotta love ||wanderer||
autumn kettle
i'm addicted to ||shaman||
sinful stirrup
I am hoping there is a long nail equivalent i can combo with reaper
elfin ravine
Doing that boss with the infection also sounds like a pain though
spark ether
though I am coming around to using ||reaper|| when I need more range, despite the ||annoying half slashes||
autumn kettle
but i find myself using wanderer, reaper, ||witch, and shaman|| a lot
hollow elm
Just picked up Beast Crest, I can immediately tell why it's so divisive.
autumn kettle
and also some beast
elfin ravine
I've been using Hunter mostly
spark ether
Just picked up Beast Crest, I can immediately tell why it's so divisive.
ah yeah just grabbed that too. that pogo is an immediate no thank you from me lol
sinful stirrup
Yeah beast seems weird and I kinda want to learn it
autumn kettle
Just picked up Beast Crest, I can immediately tell why it's so divisive.
i love that using it means that you basically don the mantle of a crazed drug-fiend cosplaying hornet
the dair that's just a crazy repositioning tool
the crack-fueled lunatic bind
umbral canyon
Just picked up Beast Crest, I can immediately tell why it's so divisive.
i've never even used it in combat honestly, i just saw that range and went yeah no
hollow elm
It gives a shocking ammount of distance with the forward-down arc.
wanton bone
It gives a shocking ammount of distance with the forward-down arc.
I’m sure there’s going to be some lunatic skips with it in randomizer runs and such.
hollow elm
I love the fact it completely sacrifices defensives slots for tools/utility.
autumn kettle
||shaman's heal forcibly grounding you is also very funny||
autumn kettle
I love the fact it completely sacrifices defensives slots for tools/utility.
NO BLUES
WE GOIN APESHIT HERE
i also love that ||architect has no fucking spell slot||
umbral canyon
speaking of charms, i don't get why the ||poison|| charm is a blue
autumn kettle
and ||shaman has no fucking red slot||
elfin ravine
I have my three blue slots and still wish I had more
autumn kettle
speaking of charms, i don't get why the ||poison|| charm is a blue
most of the damage boosters are blue
spark ether
speaking of charms, i don't get why the ||poison|| charm is a blue
I think blue is just the general combat slot
severe swift
speaking of charms, i don't get why the ||poison|| charm is a blue
Why wouldnt it be? It's my understanding that yellows are about exploration and blues are about gameplay and combat
elfin ravine
speaking of charms, i don't get why the ||poison|| charm is a blue
Most things that are combat relevant are blue
autumn kettle
barbed bracelet is the one exception
hollow elm
speaking of charms, i don't get why the ||poison|| charm is a blue
To get the most out of it, you need to wait around.
spark ether
yellow is exploration, blue is combat, and red is specically tools that you throw
umbral canyon
huh, i figured blue was mostly defensive/healing oriented specifically
autumn kettle
yellow is also mobility
hollow elm
I'd count yellow as Utilities
autumn kettle
weighted belt is a yellow
umbral canyon
yeah the hyper armour one is yellow
wanton bone
barbed bracelet is the one exception
||the dice are the melody equivalent||
autumn kettle
as is scuttlebrace
spark ether
tru tru
elfin ravine
huh, i figured blue was mostly defensive/healing oriented specifically
No it's a bunch of stuff
autumn kettle
||the dice are the melody equivalent||
oh!
do you know the proc rate?
there's a ||weaversong|| in blue
wanton bone
No idea. I wish some of the explanations were clearer.
autumn kettle
and ||the nailmaster charm|| whose name i forget
as well as ||longnail||
blue's very much the combat/aggressive one
spark ether
huh, i figured blue was mostly defensive/healing oriented specifically
and yeah your not the only one who I've seen think this, I think its just bc every blue tool you get at first is defensive in some way
elfin ravine
Yeah
spark ether
like the first 3 you get access to are all defense
wanton bone
do you know the proc rate?
Though given the competition it’s probably one of the best yellows for fights no matter what.
autumn kettle
yeah i also thought that would be the case
somber smelt
||those dice save my skin so often||
wanton bone
The rest feel like they’ll be noted as unusual tricks some times, in the way Shape of Unn lets you heal under grimm’s fire bats.
autumn kettle
okay, time to eat some humble pie
i've decided to start my steel soul run
instead of filling out the journal
gonna eat shit because i have no movement tech a bunch
actually no
let's not do that and burn out
i have restraint
thorny bear
.....the courier's rasher gets broken from t o u c h i n g a w a l l?
hoary tulip
oh my GOD
OH MY GOD
I'm pogging
I'm losing my mind, I'm squeeing, I'm making noises unbecoming of an adult
Act III plot spoilers: ||The fucking escape sequence was the best thing ever!!! That was so cool!!!!!!||
||PLAY THE TITLE THEME||
autumn kettle
Act III plot spoilers: ||The fucking escape sequence was the best thing ever!!! ...
||the lava escape?||
it's fucking incredible
hoary tulip
I’m so happy to see ||Shinespark Jump be the shining beacon of hope||
autumn kettle
lmao
hoary tulip
Literally my favourite movement upgrade in any metroidvania
hollow elm
I'm trying to learn Beast Crest moveset, this is wack.
wanton bone
I'm trying to learn Beast Crest moveset, this is wack.
Team Cherry’s reminder that the base diagonal pogo isn’t the worst option.
brave flower
i gotta find more tools i just got ||the pollip pouch||
ig the straight pin's really good with it tho
inland wave
||Poison Tacks my beloved||
autumn kettle
hell yeah
thorny bear
so it seems like the trigger for it to show up was just ||doing x amount of MMO gathering quests?||
thorny bear
ah, ok
also, something odd i thought of: what's the deal with the tiny ants?
are the bugs in this world person size and those ants are the only actual bugs
or are they just miniscule
(to be clear i mean the ones that just scurry around on the floor visually, not the enemies)
autumn kettle
no fucking clue
inland wave
Some bugs are different sizes
thorny bear
yeah but there aren't ants that are twenty times taller than other ants
how do you view your completion percentage?
i can't see it in file select or any of the menus
south marten
Probably in-game once you find the "View Completion Percentage" upgrade like in HK
autumn kettle
how do you view your completion percentage?
act 3
south marten
(idk I can't view it either)
south marten
I saw it once in a small indie game about seven years ago
autumn kettle
lol
umbral canyon
are the bugs in this world person size and those ants are the only actual bugs
i think the ants are supposed to be even tinier tbh. i mean hornet and other bugs use sewing needles and pins as weapons
autumn kettle
i think the ants are supposed to be even tinier tbh. i mean hornet and other bug...
counterpoint: the size of shit like debris
thorny bear
does silksong give any more insight into the eternal question of "did humans used to live in this world"?
autumn kettle
none at all, but nothing even suggests the possibility of a yes
thorny bear
because nails, needles, and scissors are not what you make yourself when you are designing a weapon of your size
inland wave
This is what the Pikmin planet is like if you zoom in any more
sinful stirrup
are the bugs in this world person size and those ants are the only actual bugs
What does this also say about the scissor dudes
But yeah, silksong and hk kind of gesture at humans existing through contextualising weapons as needles and pins and there be scissors, but there is no other hints afaict
Tbh it might just be the thread/silk thene expanding
south marten
Not that I've seen yet
umbral canyon
i've been quite disappointed that she doesn't actually yell HEGAAALE when you use Silkstorm
south marten
But there is a dedicated taunt button
wanton bone
But there *is* a dedicated taunt button
It’s already got speedrun tech.
open stratus
because nails, needles, and scissors are not what you make yourself when you are...
Why?
Why not?
Different cultures from humanity, different cultural touchstones, massive infrastructure etc.
sinful stirrup
I mean nails and pins as presented are just swords
But scissors don't make biomechanical sense as weapons of that size are not feasible for humanistic bosysize/strength/scales
thorny bear
Different cultures from humanity, different cultural touchstones, massive infras...
but there are certain designs that universally work much better
brave flower
i think itd have been really clever if the only ones to use scissors were ants
bc ants have absurd strength for their size
open stratus
but there are certain designs that universally work much better
Than swords and spears and javalins?
That happen to also be textileworking tools?
thorny bear
lots of cultures have made "handle for gripping connected to pointy bit of metal", but not "the entire thing is a pointy bit of metal and there's a bit at the end that would have practicality for sewing but no practicality for combat"
autumn kettle
that's more of a mace (and also a bug)
open stratus
lots of cultures have made "handle for gripping connected to pointy bit of metal...
Lots of cultures have weak fleshy grippers that they have to cover in metal, thus losing fine control.
Bugs have hard shells they feel through. They don't need seperate handles because getting cut or needing to maintain grip is less of a threat.
sinful stirrup
Honestly the things that puzzle me are the scissors, and where the ants are getting parts of endoskeletons
brave flower
imo maybe the biggest piece of evidence to indicate non-bug life is the dung defender
where did all that dung come from
open stratus
Honestly the things that puzzle me are the scissors, and where the ants are gett...
Carefully
sinful stirrup
imo maybe the biggest piece of evidence to indicate non-bug life is the dung def...
I mean also the rib/spine bridges
inland wave
The scissors are a work tool they've just started wielding as weaponry because Wildin
autumn kettle
those are more of big bestial things, yeah?
tacit wadi
any advice for the ||Broodmother in the prison?||
tacit wadi
THere's the ||Bird at Mount Fay||
sinful stirrup
I am not that far
thorny bear
also I've heard there may be some vague indication there are worms
open stratus
Idk if the story goes into more detail but "vein of bells" still has me like
So many bells are made and discarded that they've compressed and gained their own ecosystem.
sinful stirrup
Oh I have seen a worm, but themselves are also invertebrate
brave flower
also I've heard there may be some vague indication there are worms
one of ||the npcs in bellhart|| is a worm!
tacit wadi
I think a lot of thing fall under "bug" informally
not just insects
like worms or spiders
thorny bear
oh I was thinking of the higher being Wurms
but yeah, duh, worms themselves are just bugs
thorny bear
actually, are all the higher beings the only non-bug sentient creatures?
autumn kettle
grimm
thorny bear
a tree, a bat, a wyrm
autumn kettle
not a bug, and not a higher being
thorny bear
oh I thought he was
open stratus
Everything with shell, crest, and mask is a bug!
Even tree people. And avian bugs.
autumn kettle
i think that's the list, though
thorny bear
path of pain 2
autumn kettle
well, radiance and the pale king are bug-shaped, and the shade lord is evocative of bugs
thorny bear
I'm guessing the ||cog|| one?
hoary tulip
no
autumn kettle
I'm guessing the ||cog|| one?
nah, that's a pretty tame platforming section
there's a seekrit :)
in act 3
open stratus
Weaverite Opinion: ||Slay All Gods||
thorny bear
nah, that's a pretty tame platforming section
well, it's an extended platforming climb filled with an excessive amount of buzz saws
inland wave
Adore the soundtrack in there
hoary tulip
I may go through every single stage of grief at once if the prize for this isn't something amazing
tacit wadi
Bilewater?
inland wave
For similar reasons should I wait on exploring ||The Mist||
Or am I just doing something wrong here
Is there a trick or a tool or bwa
Goin in circles
open stratus
Is there a trick or a tool or bwa
Hornet is a Weaver with sacred implements.
tacit wadi
wayyyyy worse
I am afraid
open stratus
Would you like me to tell you?
tacit wadi
Is there a trick or a tool or bwa
||Needolin + light moths show the way||
inland wave
horf
tacit wadi
||it loops otherwise||
inland wave
Yeah I never would have tried
hoary tulip
know that Team Cherry does not love us.
know that Team Cherry has given us every movement tool in the game not with kindness
but with sadism in their hearts
for some day you will be called upon to use every single one perfectly
tacit wadi
Yeah sounds accurate
hoary tulip
with no checkpoints or healing
tacit wadi
7 years spent perfecting suffering
open stratus
I feel awkward being good at this game
Like, I'm not even all that good.
Movement and combat makes sense and I don't know why it doesn't for others.
inland wave
The only movement that doesn't make sense is ||Beast Pogo||
That's wizard technology
autumn kettle
for some day you will be called upon to use every single one perfectly
if this is the one I'm thinking of, there's healing
just no checkpoints
hoary tulip
fucking where
autumn kettle
before i say anything, where are you
inland wave
Never have I ran faster than when ||Sherma toddled their dumb ass into the Whiteward|| /act 2 stuff
hoary tulip
before i say anything, where are you
||Above the Citadel in the thorn garden||
open stratus
||The Blasted Steps are such a cool location. It really feels like there was a point where the Citadel took pilgrimage seriously. When the Judges tested the worthy.||
hollow elm
The only movement that doesn't make sense is ||Beast Pogo||
I'm trying to learn it, most uphill challenge I've faced.
autumn kettle
||Above the Citadel in the thorn garden||
||the area that required super jump?||
hoary tulip
yes
autumn kettle
excellent
||there will be hazard bugs like little garpedes a bit into it, which you can hit||
you'll know when you see them
brave flower
where do i go after ||widow||
hoary tulip
oh, the fucking worms
elfin ravine
where do i go after ||widow||
|| up left out of Shellwood||
elfin ravine
||also make sure to get your damage upgrade in Bellhart||
brave flower
||also make sure to get your damage upgrade in Bellhart||
i got it yeah :)
autumn kettle
these guys are not farmable
||there are a number of spots in each platform where you can squeeze between em safely||
hoary tulip
oh I just needed a better spot
primal cedar
Are the memory lockets refundable somehow? Or will I be locked into my choice
autumn kettle
||and they'll never spawn in hitbox-capable places||
autumn kettle
Are the memory lockets refundable somehow? Or will I be locked into my choice
locked in forever, there are enough for all crests
elfin ravine
Are the memory lockets refundable somehow? Or will I be locked into my choice
No, but there are enough to max all crests eventually
primal cedar
-_- alright
Guess I'm waiting until I have more crests
||Beastfly is an exceptionally mean guy because it looks like kinda like a normal enemy and then proceeds to kill you 30 times||
autumn kettle
the wot
||the bugs?||
||if it's the bug platforms, that's the end||
it's not a super long area
hoary tulip
Holy fuck it’s done
What a reward.
Is there anything else up here or is it just the ||bragging rights memento||
@autumn kettle
autumn kettle
Is there anything else up here or is it just the ||bragging rights memento||
||just the memento and the three journal entries necessary for the journal achievement||
autumn kettle
||much like path of pain, the reward for this section is its own completion||
hoary tulip
||oh thank fuck there's a shortcut||
autumn kettle
||i fucking adored that segment and the lore of reaching the fucking surface||
hoary tulip
it was sick but I nearly tore my hair out with the platforming lmao
autumn kettle
||and i cannot wait to see what they do for an actual dlc path of pain type thing||
safe yew
any advice on improving at the combat? i already had to resort to difficulty-lowering mods to even enter act 2 and even then i'm distantly concerned about my ability to effectively complete the game
hoary tulip
Jump over your foes more, use pogo to your advantage, let enemies show you their attacks and come up with a punish or a countermeasure rather than rushing them down
hollow elm
There's sometimes openings to rushdown, but you need to recognize openings before you can chase them down.
autumn kettle
silksong wants you to respect everything until you know when you don't have to
hoary tulip
Hornet's movement is incredible and she can snake through hellish attack patterns
autumn kettle
and then you respect nothing
hoary tulip
she's MUCH faster and more nimble than the Little Ghost
autumn kettle
because you're hornet
hollow elm
Hornet is wildly good mid-air compared to Ghost.
hoary tulip
also that section I just finished gave me PROPER red tower flashbacks
I mean
probably way worse than climbing the red tower tbh
autumn kettle
yeah, between her two dashes, air stall, and eventually wings
you're just
hypermobile
hoary tulip
yeah, between her two dashes, air stall, and eventually wings
maybe spoilers there chief
autumn kettle
wait which?
autumn kettle
oh
safe yew
i'm fairly sure i saw those in the trailers so it's probably fine
hollow elm
I fully understand why Beast Crest is so slot limited now, good lord.
brave flower
hornet feels so good to control
autumn kettle
my apologies, i've had silksong in my brain all day every day for the past 4 days
hoary tulip
hornet is much more satisfying to pilot than the little ghost
autumn kettle
i have 50 hours in this run (70 including just afking passed out and uncounted menus) and i've had ||wings|| for at least 30 of them
||and also they're in the trailers, yeah||
hollow elm
Beast Crest is full "but did you die?", especially combined with massively faster Bind to proc buffs.
autumn kettle
I fully understand why Beast Crest is so slot limited now, good lord.
yeah, once you get used to it, it's a fucking monster of a crest
autumn kettle
yeah lmao
i'm still missing two
and i am going to take a bit of a break
considering
uh
autumn kettle
i have 50 hours in this run (70 including just afking passed out and uncounted m...
this
hoary tulip
real
autumn kettle
before i do all of the ending achievements and finish my journal and mementos
safe yew
the conversation's moved on, but i suppose my main combat troubles are:
- flying enemies staying out of range (though maybe this is self-inflicted, seeing as i main (act 1 crest) ||wanderer||); they melt if i can manage a pogo (load-bearing if) but it feels cheesy
- so much damage from so many sources. i am not skilled enough to survive so much damage
- tools are a big weak point of mine, in large part because of the directional input required to use them (though maybe this is more because i need a controller with different triggers - i ended up binding dash to r instead of rt so i'd actually use it)
autumn kettle
yeah you picked the stubby nail
flying enemies absolutely path and attack in ways that demand either extreme precision or
using your special hornet equipment
like tools or silk skills
damage goes down when you kill things better
(i.e. use more tools)
(to weaken or kill groups of enemies, kill enemies at range, and soften up scary ones)
(silk skills are also very very good)
(they're in the same space)
(silkspear is strong)
safe yew
trouble is that silk skills use silk i desperately need for healing
hollow elm
the conversation's moved on, but i suppose my main combat troubles are:
- flying...
I've made that moveset work, but you really need to be aware of enemy movement patterns to not get hit along the way. I've mostly used jumping forward slash to avoid collision, sometimes short-hop upwards.
I've used ||Sting Shard|| a ton because it sits there until triggered, instead of active aiming.
safe yew
not if you use it to kill enemies before they hit you
unfortunately, bosses
inland wave
Is.. there a point to the ||Pit that drops from Vaults into Bilewater?|| /Act 2 Locationstuff
autumn kettle
i mean yeah, for bosses you equip different tools and have different expectations
what is this glorpshit
why is the fucking youtube video bar so goddamn big now
hollow elm
Is it using the desktop sized one or something?
autumn kettle
i'm on desktop
proud cobalt
Is it that much bigger?
sinful stirrup
Yes, it got much bigger recently
autumn kettle
it's like 3x the size it used to be
proud cobalt
I barely even notice anymore.
autumn kettle
i fucking hate this
proud cobalt
Youtube has made vastly worse changes than increasing the size of the bar that goes away if you don't move your mouse for 5 seconds.
safe yew
same size as usual for me
proud cobalt
For me the problem is going back a few minutes in a video and getting an ad that wasn't there before.
autumn kettle
that's a problem on mobile, yeah
at least when i don't get fed up and switch to browser
proud cobalt
Getting an ad every 3 minutes is diabolical.
Anyway, Youtube has many issues.
Damn, Silksong has some insane technology in a bug world.
hoary tulip
absolved of my crimes
primal cedar
Alright so like what does Beast Crest do really. Is it worth the pain of the bossfight? Sell me on this thing
hoary tulip
rip and tear until it is done
autumn kettle
Alright so like what does Beast Crest do really. Is it worth the pain of the bos...
okay, so on the down side your heal is dogshit
on the upside, your heal makes you deal more damage
hoary tulip
and gives you lifesteal
autumn kettle
and also you cosplay as one of your dad's buzzsaws
polar marten
my dad doesn't own a buzzsaw
hoary tulip
Hornet's dad
autumn kettle
and gives you lifesteal
well, it's less lifesteal and more handicapped heal (or backloaded, which can be a good thing!)
proud cobalt
I keep forgetting her father is the Pale Wyrm/King.
primal cedar
I'm like a super nail focused rush down if I can afford it, so this seems 
autumn kettle
my dad doesn't own a buzzsaw
don't worry, reggie is not the "you" that matters in this situation
only hornet
rose granite
okay, so on the down side your heal is dogshit
Weirdly enough my only issue with it so far has been the down air.
autumn kettle
the dair is usually an upside for me
not in traversal
but because of the heal i never use it in traversal
hoary tulip
bad for platforming, very good at murder
autumn kettle
it's specifically a bossing crest for me
hoary tulip
tbh my bossing crest is Hunter
rose granite
The diagonal down airs feel so odd still, but if you get good with them that's a big bonus for half the crests.
autumn kettle
my endgame bossing crest was ||shaman||
brave flower
im gonna try to make ||architect|| work the moment i get it
rose granite
the dair is usually an upside for me
It did feel nicer than the Hunter one, but I chalked that up to the Hunter's feeling odd to me still.
Because I'm bad with it ;p.
brave flower
ive equipped ||the uhhh purple poison blue tool|| and am never looking back
rose granite
my endgame bossing crest was ||shaman||
Damn, didn't know they had the void crest in the game
All I can see is redacted
rose granite
ive equipped ||the uhhh purple poison blue tool|| and am never looking back
Yeah, that one is a tad bit good.
brave flower
its NUTS
rose granite
It plus ||cogflies|| feel like a genuine crutch to me.
autumn kettle
Damn, didn't know they had the void crest in the game
this statement is so fucking funny considering what you responded to
you can take that in any of the...three or four directions that could mean
rose granite
this statement is so fucking funny considering what you responded to
I ain't looking
brave flower
(btw im not too far into the game but i literally couldnt care less abt spoilers)
asking yall questions feels much better than consulting a fuckass wiki
especially since this game's resident fuckass wiki seems to be fextralife at the moment
rose granite
I've had some stuff spoiled to me because I did use the map to check where a few things were, but tbh it's been weirdly minimal, especially compared to YouTube ;p.
hoary tulip
Act III shit: ||got a second Memento||
||from a Literal Parliament of Crows||
possibly the best joke in the game
autumn kettle
||from a Literal Parliament of Crows||
it's fucking peak
rose granite
Also, realised I needed to do an important piece of science.
hollow elm
on the upside, your heal makes you deal more damage
*seems to boost range and attack speed too, which loops on itself.
proud cobalt
Is Pharloom or Hollownest older, it's Pharloom, right?
autumn kettle
we have no idea
and there's no way to tell
hallownest in its current iteration is probably younger
inland wave
let me kill ||Benjin and Krull||
autumn kettle
but that's a vibes-based guesstimate, not fact
proud cobalt
Perhaps, my assumption was based on Weavers being mentioned in its hayday, but that could meant they are about as old.
rose granite
So two things learnt; no you can't have ||16 of these guys out at the same time, but their singing is still a nice little choir to accompany your needolin when playing for the best of boys.||
safe yew
(all act 1) in terms of crests, i main ||wanderer|| by process of elimination - hunter's diagonal down-attack is difficult to work with, ||reaper's extra silk mechanic messes up what little dodging skill i have, and i'm not even bothering with savage beastfly to get beast crest||
brave flower
So two things learnt; no you can't have ||16 of these guys out at the same time,...
i love that everyone IMMEDIATELY agreed that ||the bell beast is just a big puppy||
elfin ravine
It is
rose granite
I mean it is pretty heavily coded to appear as such.
safe yew
||i read it as a big kitty, given the purring||
rose granite
Being impatient, purring when you spend time with it, and being a great target for training down aerials against.
maybe not the last one ;p.
brave flower
not enough
rose granite
(all act 1) in terms of crests, i main ||wanderer|| by process of elimination - ...
||For the savage beastfly, like most encounters against multiple foes it gets a ton easier if you just come back later with more damage. It's what I just did and it was darn easy to brute force.||
Not necessarily the answer I'd love to give there, but it's how I've found encounters like that to play both in Silksong and in most other games.
proud cobalt
Well I do have this new folding pruning saw next to me I can practice aerials with I suppose...
rose granite
Even in hit indie ttrpg lancer!
safe yew
hmm. it looks like my only real solution to my difficulty is to get good, but i can only get so good at games that require reactivity
rose granite
hmm. it looks like my only real solution to my difficulty is to get good, but i ...
For ||beastfly|| getting good ain't even that necessary, as long as you're willing to save it til later.
safe yew
(clarification: i'm more generally struggling with confidence in my ability to play, even after mods)
brave flower
would ||poisoned straight pins/explodey needle traps whose names i forget|| be enough to tear that fucker apart?
rose granite
Ah that, yeah I recommend breaks.
Ran into a wall myself earlier that genuinely frustrated me, and then today completed a section before even finding the map or bench for it.
rose granite
would ||poisoned straight pins/explodey needle traps whose names i forget|| be e...
Depending on how much you're willing to try, probably. I think it's a fight that you can get good at, and where only really one of the spawn is rough for.
But I felt that it wasn't a fight that I loved, so I went and did other stuff with the idea of brute forcing it later, and it worked well.
proud cobalt
I wonder why Pharloom seems so technologically advanced in comparison to Hollownest.
safe yew
if memory serves, a journal entry has hornet make note of pharloom's advanced metallurgy being the result of easy access to geothermal activity for heat
rose granite
There is a pretty obvious answer I've found ||with all the weaver nests strewn about that are even more advanced coupled with notes pleading for their sisters to flee||
Which we'll see how it holds up in the long run, but seems rather clear to me rn.
rose granite
if memory serves, a journal entry has hornet make note of pharloom's advanced me...
And yeah that wouldn't surprise me either, even if I haven't seen that note myself
proud cobalt
Got it, like the most 'technologically advanced' spot in Hollownest imo is the White Palace and Monomon's Studies.
rose granite
I'm guessing it's one of the Hunter's notes.
Oh also, pet theory ||Gilly the camouflaged is the child of the Hunter from the first game||
proud cobalt
if memory serves, a journal entry has hornet make note of pharloom's advanced me...
Fair.
brave flower
Got it, like the most 'technologically advanced' spot in Hollownest imo is the W...
all of hallownest's technological research was aimed at perfecting buzzsaw technology
proud cobalt
Yeah lmao.
rose granite
all of hallownest's technological research was aimed at perfecting buzzsaw techn...
Yet they could never invent the buzzsaw that dealt two damage smh
brave flower
yeah bc they didnt have lava
safe yew
the buzzsaws aren't even real, they're dream projections
rose granite
Literally half as effective (I hope I'm not misremembering)
proud cobalt
I suppose it doesn't help that most of the modern populace of Hollownest is unable to continue their work unlike in Pharloom for some reason.
brave flower
you need heat to forge a proper buzzsaw
open stratus
||The Last Judge is so cool. I'm loving her fight||
brave flower
||The Last Judge is so cool. I'm loving her fight||
are you loving ||the runback||
open stratus
Yes because I can skip it.
rose granite
||The Last Judge is so cool. I'm loving her fight||
She's a fun one.
rose granite
are you loving ||the runback||
Tbh I still think the only real issue there is that they made the intended route a bit more obscure than necessary.
brave flower
ah
yeah my first instinct when i die to a boss is to scout the area out really thoroughly so i can optimize the runback
open stratus
||The platform after the first Judge has a climbing rout that skips the majority of the hard parts||
rose granite
But yeah, planning on doing one of the required areas tomorrow and then start messing around with the optional stuff I've still got left to do, quests and all.
proud cobalt
There is a pretty obvious answer I've found ||with all the weaver nests strewn a...
I forget about this because I'm not that far in watching (can't play it currently) the game and only even partially know that cause I watched an 'all tools' video, which it turns out didn't even have all the tools.
rose granite
I forget about this because I'm not that far in watching (can't play it currentl...
The issue of people still finding stuff but needing to be first to the content threadmill
(yes my puns are great)
proud cobalt
I just wanted to see if there was a chainsaw.
Also tbf it was only like that stuff (tools, crests, etc) specifically I looked at, none of the story or any of that.
I like learning about that stuff.
brave flower
I just wanted to see if there was a chainsaw.
||there is||
you can in fact ||cosplay the pale king||
proud cobalt
But it's not a motorized chainsaw.
I am fairly sure I know what you are talking about.
rose granite
You can make the sounds yourself
proud cobalt
||There's a motorized circular saw, and then there's the chain you can wear.||
brave flower
theres a ||crest thats just drill||
proud cobalt
Honestly my most aesthetic complaint for now ||Why does the drill turn your cloak into a drill?||
brave flower
bc its funny
proud cobalt
theres a ||crest thats just drill||
I aware.
proud cobalt
bc its funny
Yeah but cool tools.
That is a solid cloak though.
I'm realizing just how powerful the Vessel's Pure Nail is in Hollow Knight.
That was literally a god tier weapon.
'The ultimate weapon of Hallownest. Crafted to perfection, this ancient nail reveals its true form.'
It has 6 pale ore inside it.
rose granite
Yeah but can it beat a gun?
proud cobalt
I wonder why pale ore seems to be cold/emanate a chill.
proud cobalt
Yeah but can it beat a gun?
He typically screams to hurt you from a distance tbf.
inland wave
The basic soul shot did have gun-type vibes especially if you build for it
The ol SelfBullet
rose granite
He typically screams to hurt you from a distance tbf.
See the thing is that would be an issue if bullets weren't faster than the speed of sound.
proud cobalt
The foolish runner on their plane watching the Immortal Vessel (They are substituting since the snail is sick) fireball skip up to their plane.
proud cobalt
See the thing is that would be an issue if bullets weren't faster than the speed...
Yeah yeah...
I watched that video that's like 'Indie Cross but only the Knight' and it's hilarious how he's super movement based.
thorny bear
i've heard there's an ||item that gives you a bonus tool slot across every crest||, could someone let me know the general direction i should look for it?
unless it's something i'll get naturally over act 3 progression
autumn kettle
i've heard there's an ||item that gives you a bonus tool slot across every crest...
that's not an item
it's an upgrade that you have access to pretty early
||where it all began||
brave flower
it's an upgrade that you have access to pretty early
how early
autumn kettle
||bellhart||
hoary tulip
Not quite
rose granite
i've heard there's an ||item that gives you a bonus tool slot across every crest...
Apparently it's tied in part to ||using memory lockets|| I think?
That's what my own issue likely was, but will check tomorrow.
thorny bear
||where it all began||
do you mean ||weavenest atla||? i thought i cleared it as thoroughly as i could
elfin ravine
||You need to talk to Eva, once you have more crests and spent lockets ||
rose granite
do you mean ||weavenest atla||? i thought i cleared it as thoroughly as i could
That's the right place, here's a video if you want evidence of what's been said https://youtu.be/6AboRCttGS0?si=sFyUUT35HJXxknmu
umbral canyon
mild citadel spoiler request: ||is there a travel station in the area? what broad direction should i be looking in if so please?||
rose granite
mild citadel spoiler request: ||is there a travel station in the area? what broa...
Yes, should be towards the bottom of the ||choral chorus|| district.
thorny bear
||You need to talk to Eva, once you have more crests and spent lockets ||
ah. i thought hoarding them until i had something i wanted to use them on would be wise. "Expand your being" is so, so vague.
elfin ravine
mild citadel spoiler request: ||is there a travel station in the area? what broa...
||Bottom right of Choral Halls has a Bellway ||
rose granite
ah. i thought hoarding them until i had something i wanted to use them on would ...
Can't blame you on that one, I genuinely thought it was hinting at some story checkpoint.
Didn't even take into consideration that it might've been referring to the styles.
elfin ravine
I thought it was just on acquiring more crests at first
Because that seemed to be the trigger for me at first
brave flower
alr im gonna go-- OH RIGHT THE ||NEEDOLIN DOOR AT THE START OF THE GAME||
elfin ravine
I thought it was just on acquiring more crests at first
I think it might be something like total number of slots across all crests now, but still not sure
rose granite
It's odd
wanton bone
Time to wait for someone to sit down with ||eva|| and progressively test. That or look into the code.
rose granite
Time to wait for someone to sit down with ||eva|| and progressively test. That o...
The video I linked above basically did that, though they didn't mention how many lockets they used ;p.
hidden flame
Why stick?
Why not d-pad?
I use the stick to navigate menus, lol
open stratus
Oooh
rose granite
Why stick?
Why not d-pad?
I just like the stick.
Though I do kinda wish I had a Gamecube controller or something in that vein with notches.
open stratus
But it has that massive deadzone you have to change to get the fine control of the pad!
hidden flame
It works for me, I don't fix
open stratus
😖
tacit wadi
Ok, done all the quests (for act 2)
aside from the main one
what else do I need to do
elfin ravine
Check with the caretaker
If you still don't get the new quest, just keep exploring for random completion percentage
brave flower
"||WEAVENEST ALTA||"???
elfin ravine
Yup
autumn kettle
Time to wait for someone to sit down with ||eva|| and progressively test. That o...
it's ||locket count||
autumn kettle
||5/10/15/20 and i think 7 crests||
elfin ravine
it's ||locket count||
I don't think it's just that, because I definitely got some of the rewards before I used any lockets
elfin ravine
It's weird, I'm not quite sure about it
rose granite
On a semi related note, how's ||Architect|| been to play? I've liked the moveset in part, but it does contain a lot of charged attacks that might take a bit to feel out.
elfin ravine
Haven't used it much myself
autumn kettle
On a semi related note, how's ||Architect|| been to play? I've liked the moveset...
i was absolutely not a fan, mostly because its down air is jank as fuck
elfin ravine
Seems interesting if you like to use tools though
autumn kettle
but it's interesting
elfin ravine
i was absolutely not a fan, mostly because its down air is *jank* as fuck
The delay on it is definitely weird
I think it could be quite good for bosses though
Just making more charges for all your shit
wanton bone
||Architect's Crest.|| For when you want to impersonate an HA Iskander.
hoary tulip
i was absolutely not a fan, mostly because its down air is *jank* as fuck
those attacks btw are based on if you hold the button or not
if you hold down the attack button while using Architect Crest running attack or dair you get the multihit delayed versions
and if you don't you get fast ones
autumn kettle
oh huh
rose granite
if you hold down the attack button while using Architect Crest running attack or...
Yeah, which is one of those things that can make a moveset feel jank as you learn it. I'll have to check if the attack is still on press or on release with it.
If you do the quick one.
elfin ravine
if you hold down the attack button while using Architect Crest running attack or...
Oh huh
Didn't realise that
brave flower
ok ||weavenest alta|| is fucking incredible
also ||got my hands on the crest of the wanderer!||
spark ether
god the ||ghosts in the mist|| are no fucking joke
sinful stirrup
ok ||weavenest alta|| is fucking incredible
It's also full of sekrets
brave flower
haha
i am utterly terrified of that specific misspelling in the context of a ||spider related|| area
(i did find ||eva||)
spark ether
oh what the fuck
sinful stirrup
No jumpscares, but there is a ||boss hidden in there||
spark ether
why are they ||respawning in the same damn room as me||
hoary tulip
bastard creatures
brave flower
No jumpscares, but there is a ||boss hidden in there||
oh ymean the ||double moss mother||?
sinful stirrup
Ye
brave flower
gotcha
spark ether
wait wut
where the hell was that lol, I thought I could have sworn I explored everything there
wanton bone
why are they ||respawning in the same damn room as me||
Same as the ||shades in the abyss in Hollow Knight, tbf.||
sinful stirrup
||pond by the Bench has a false wall||
spark ether
Same as the ||shades in the abyss in Hollow Knight, tbf.||
ok fair, but those are much more fragile
and they also don't ||steal your soul||
hollow elm
god the ||ghosts in the mist|| are no fucking joke
I just got through there myself, big change of pace. ||Made me switch to Reaper for the sheer range||.
spark ether
yeah I was strongly considering that, but I didn't feel confident in my ability to do the platforming with it
just made it ||phantom|| though and I'm glad I pushed thru to do it today
thorny bear
ok bud
it's one of those moments, huh
actually deleting that so i don't spoil someone just autoclicking spoiler tags
but act 3 has quite the start
autumn kettle
IT'S SO GOOD
elfin ravine
but act 3 has quite the start
It's pretty intense yeah
thorny bear
i remember i once saw a lore video say something like ||"It doesn't seem like Void is native to Pharloom, but from what we've seen it looks like there are one or two Void beings, so hopefully we'll get at least a bit more lore about the nature of void."||
open stratus
||The Blasted Steps and Last Judge being entirely fair, but so harsh that already weakened pilgrims are crushed is amazing thematically. The Last Judge fights fairly in her battle against Hornet. Every move is precise and explicit, she brings out no tricks beyond flame, and even it's the same moves as before excluding one. The Last Judge is there to test the worthy and break those who fail and I love that she does that with a certain level of "fairness".
Apologies, I ramble.||
autumn kettle
||it's an evil fairness, and a cruel justice||
||but if you were worthy you wouldn't fall||
thorny bear
ah, ||even in another dimension,|| it is a fundamental law of nature that the skittering claw things must appear in every narrow passage
oh
proud cobalt
Though I do kinda wish I had a Gamecube controller or something in that vein wit...
Hilariously this exact thing was said by one of the 2 youtubers I watch.
Never touched a gamecube controller tbh.
open stratus
||I honestly think Hornet walking the same harsh path the pilgrims take, enacting their liturgy and proving herself worthy in sacred combat before the Grand Gate is important for a first run. It gets the player, if they're actively engaged, in the mindset of a pilgrim, of holy struggle and divine worthiness, before the rot of the Citadel tears it away. The pilgrimage makes it hit harder than just learning/verifying "Oh it's a scam."||
thorny bear
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
||BELL BEAST|| MY ABSOLUTE GOAT
YOU SHOW THAT ||BOMB SHITTING CENTIPEDE|| ASSHOLE WHO'S BOSS
brave flower
||ouppy|| gaming
elfin ravine
||BELL BEAST|| MY ABSOLUTE GOAT
Its so good
autumn kettle
||ouppeak||
hoary tulip
||I honestly think Hornet walking the same harsh path the pilgrims take, enactin...
||You can circumvent it by taking an alternative route||
open stratus
||You can circumvent it by taking an alternative route||
||Yes, I know. I'm speaking in thematic and storyfeel terms.||
hoary tulip
ah, real
It's a really funny story if Hornet infiltrates the Citadel ||through the Exhaust Organ|| like an absolute sicko tho
open stratus
Oh certainly
hoary tulip
Just encountered someone on another server who did that btw
open stratus
||But then you miss the moment where the first grand elevator you interact with literally grinds to a halt, breaks irreparably, then crashes down into the misery of the Underworks!||
open stratus
So thematic
thorny bear
umbral canyon
question about the uh, Thing in moss grotto: ||can you evolve other crests besides the Hunter?||
thorny bear
nope
umbral canyon
lame
thorny bear
it's just because as the starting one it was made to be weaker at first
umbral canyon
so the other benefit you get from ||eva|| is more ||vesticrests|| i assume?
umbral canyon
||weavenest atla|| is crazy for a secret area though, i assume there must be others
||silk magitech vaults with robots and teleporters||
inland wave
So like
What were they thinking with the ||Cogwork Song Puzzle||
this is the most tedious thing
in the world
thorny bear
the ||repeat the pattern|| part?
sinful stirrup
||weavenest atla|| is crazy for a secret area though, i assume there must be oth...
There's one in farfield you can get into as well
inland wave
like am i missing something here
sinful stirrup
I've found another one (||wormsways||) but I can't get to it yet
thorny bear
if the issue is that you can't reach some, you can come back when you have more movement
spark ether
I've just been struck with a realization
at what point in progress did y'all fight ||phantom||?
inland wave
i'm more just like
'why does this even exist'
it's just smacking switches
this is Data Entry
thorny bear
i did when i was cleaning up areas after beating the main objective
brave flower
at what point in progress did y'all fight ||phantom||?
to my knowledge theyre ||one of the options for the last boss of act 1||
inland wave
as for ||Phantom|| midway through act 2
spark ether
to my knowledge theyre ||one of the options for the last boss of act 1||
oh ok
I just beat them around then, and then suddenly was wondering if I was way undergeared for that
hoary tulip
it's just smacking switches
You can (and have to) pogo off the switches to get to the top
It’s kinda slick
thorny bear
'why does this even exist'
i really don't know what to tell you. "Give the player a task to complete to receive a reward" has pretty much been the foundation of video games for 40 years
spark ether
oh wait shit this is ||act 2||
brave flower
yup!
spark ether
||did I just lock myself out of doing last judge?||
thorny bear
no
brave flower
dont think so, no
spark ether
cool
open stratus
The reveal will be less of an experience, tho, I think.
umbral canyon
I've found another one (||wormsways||) but I can't get to it yet
i was wondering what the point of that area was
inner fog
Lookin for da last mask shard
And praying it’s not locked behind completing every delivery
the Lacquer of torment and anguish
inland wave
Hmmgh I really like the ||Witch|| moveset but that Bind can be tuff
sinful stirrup
okay, curveclaw piercing blocks rules
hoary tulip
it's goated
umbral canyon
citadel spoilers||cogwork dancers|| are so fucking peak
sinful stirrup
Act 2 get
hollow elm
(Act 1 end) ||Took the backdoor route. Phantom is an 11/10 fight, Hunter feels perfect for it.||
spark ether
(Act 1 end) ||Took the backdoor route. Phantom is an 11/10 fight, Hunter feels p...
its incredible right
I had some frustrations with ||the parry||, but otherwise amazing fight
hollow elm
||I've played enough Smash Bros to feel those parries in my bones||
spark ether
||I once had it trigger when I attacked from the other side of her for some reason, and she killed me||
kinda hard to not be frustrated with that lol
granite hedge
waht the fuck
what the
FUCK
WHAT ThE FUCK
major major major major MAJOR lategame silksong spoilers ||ACT THREE??? THE FUCKING ABYSS??????? WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT||
safe yew
same spoiler as above ||funny thing, i got partially spoiled for that when i paid a bit too close attention to the filenames listed on the installer while the installation was underway||
safe yew
||eh it's alright||