The Sixth Voice -A Third Party Homebrew LCP | Pilot NET | Page 4

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:56 AM

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naga, sluagh, (leoleth technically), Koremasa, black mountain

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:56 AM

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huh, I figured not cuz they let the zeilinger in

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:56 AM

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and purple thorn

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:56 AM

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black mountain have boobs?

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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no, but that was the result of the conversation

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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ok lol

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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i wanted it more androgynous

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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warframe players...

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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zeilinger?

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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gendering robots

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lol

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:57 AM

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jolly gorge warframe players...

he didnt draw it with tits to be clear

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i just give gender as one of the art directions typically

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:58 AM

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rocky hawk zeilinger?

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:58 AM

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rocky hawk i just give gender as one of the art directions typically

ah ok

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:58 AM

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jolly gorge

they dont check THAT far in

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:58 AM

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I gave my artist fighter jets for reference and he ghosted me for 5 months

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:58 AM

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just like, basic syntax

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:59 AM

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rocky hawk they dont check THAT far in

lol I figured

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 2:59 AM

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jolly gorge I gave my artist fighter jets for reference and he ghosted me for 5 months

bar for bar this is what happened

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 2:59 AM

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Hi!

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:59 AM

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Hi!

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 2:59 AM

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YIPPIE

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 2:59 AM

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was talkinga bout your horus focus

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minefield lich moment

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:03 AM

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Mainly
IPS-N: actively funds piracy, smuggling etc. and poses the solution: get your stuff from IPS-N. Also massive monopoly (uncool)
SSC: lets steal people and sell their genes
Horus: bunch of cells in a trenchcoat. Does everything under the sun. But it averages out to: lets make shit that breaks reality (and hand it out for the cost of fucin with reality)
HA: the military industrial complex, citizenship granted through participation of a draft

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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ssc doesnt, STEAL people, they buy them

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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rocky hawk minefield lich moment

Oh the three mines in two turns with one mine of damage iirc

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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rocky hawk ssc doesnt, STEAL people, they buy them

yeah no it's totally legal

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stealing would be barbaric

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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rocky hawk ssc doesnt, STEAL people, they buy them

Human trafficking

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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not sure its quite that far

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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yeah but they like all consented

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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but still weird

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:04 AM

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dont worry about the gun

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yeah no they're all evil

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:05 AM

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its more of a carrot than a stick but

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:05 AM

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but idk if "we have no idea what you are, but you are humans" is much better than the military industrial complex

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especially when they make machines of such excessive cruelty

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:05 AM

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themes of corporations being bad because its part of being a big corporation who makes death machines?

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unheard of

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

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jolly gorge especially when they make machines of such excessive cruelty

IPS-N has one caliban, horus is just a series of calibans

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

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jolly gorge dont worry about the gun

Exactly my problem. So Horus it is. Just Horus. Because Lich is mostly what I play because I dislike getting a scratch on my mech and I enjoy helping people and just kinda doing what I like. Great fun

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

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but guns and mechs can be tools of liberation as much as oppression

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HA fights against the Karakins who have slaves

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IPS-N supports albatross

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SSC is pretty

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

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rocky hawk but guns and mechs can be tools of liberation as much as oppression

Page 337 (paid book) human made evil but also human made good

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:06 AM

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nuance? in my fictional setting????

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:07 AM

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rocky hawk nuance? in my fictional setting????

ALWAYS

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:07 AM

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gloomy lotus Exactly my problem. So Horus it is. Just Horus. Because Lich is mostly what I pl...

that is an interesting philosophy. Supporting the people killing people is technically not killing people I suppose

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also killing people in lancer is not super common to be fair

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:07 AM

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jolly gorge that is an interesting philosophy. Supporting the people killing people is techn...

:] I can be a pacifist and technically have a kill count. Though Nightmare is just there for fun

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:07 AM

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blowing up the mech is all you do 95% of the time

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I agree no you are fully to blame for those deaths

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lol Im just messing with you

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:08 AM

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jolly gorge blowing up the mech is all you do 95% of the time

I love dms that describe pilots of opponent mechs surviving and just leaving

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:08 AM

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IMO they're all evil, and horus just happens to kill people in the most horrific and brutal ways possible

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so they're the most evil in my mind

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:09 AM

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well they dont just leave, its hard to look a guy in the eye after you crit him for 20 damage with a raptor plasma rifle

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:09 AM

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it probably wouldnt hurt much to get tachyon lanced

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:09 AM

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jolly gorge it probably wouldnt hurt much to get tachyon lanced

it would hurt like hell to be eaten a live by a balor

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instruments of gaudy cruelty

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:09 AM

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jolly gorge I agree no you are fully to blame for those deaths

I am the reason the lycan got across 1/3rd of a 40x40 map and I’ll take it because it’s great

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:09 AM

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IPS-N is a merciful death at the hands of a brick

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:09 AM

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gloomy lotus I am the reason the lycan got across 1/3rd of a 40x40 map and I’ll take it becau...

only 1/3rd?

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the nefarious sunzi

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:10 AM

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jolly gorge IMO they're all evil, and horus just happens to kill people in the most horrific...

Yeah horus kills everyone equally :] if they do kill

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:10 AM

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jolly gorge only 1/3rd?

I could only hand them prospector and a free boost

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:10 AM

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a balor moving 33 spaces in its standard move and having movement to spare

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lol sunzi is just sunzi it doesnt count

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:10 AM

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So 5+6+6+6 it will be in movement

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:11 AM

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realspace breach absolutely does not count lol

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so fair enough

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:11 AM

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:]

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Just boost

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I wanna see how far that makes an ll3(nelson) everest go

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To be fair I play mostly Lich, I have played so far
White Witch 1x
hydra 1x
Balor 1x
Kobold 1x
On the list still:
Gorgon, Goblin, manticore, minotaur, all horus alts

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Gonna be fun

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:23 AM

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jolly gorge so fair enough

If you ever want to know more about liches you have permission to ping me. After all, verbatim, after core activation anything is yours to take, including npc effects (unless the dm says no)

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:24 AM

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I mean I have read lich

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I've had a lich player

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also why would the dm says no?

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seems like a strange choice when everything the lich's active can stop is written right there

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:31 AM

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jolly gorge seems like a strange choice when everything the lich's active can stop is writte...

NPC priest buffs. NPC restock drone. A hound missile at point blank range (burst 1-2 and you’re next to the guy who shot it). And goblin ll3 celestial shackle on self because funny save spot to whichever enemy is trying to secure a point. Ignore overcharge.

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:32 AM

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jolly gorge also why would the dm says no?

I’ve seen dms say “don’t bring gorgon due to core power” or “don’t bring ghengis, burn is too good”

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:32 AM

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well

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they cant be saved

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:32 AM

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jolly gorge I've had a lich player

Did they use didymos to break someone out of a grapple?

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:32 AM

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jolly gorge they cant be saved

?

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:33 AM

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gloomy lotus I’ve seen dms say “don’t bring gorgon due to core power” or “don’t bring ghengis...

i hate the gorgon

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:33 AM

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gloomy lotus Did they use didymos to break someone out of a grapple?

seems like a lot of cost for a little gain no why would you do that

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something had to go very wrong

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:33 AM

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rocky hawk i hate the gorgon

:] I know what happens next playtest

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:33 AM

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nope

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play myconid

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:33 AM

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Ok

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I’ll see

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:34 AM

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jolly gorge something had to go very wrong

Yeah that’s what lich is for: post mortem survival and prevention

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:34 AM

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?

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:35 AM

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If shit hits the fan a lich is good to have

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:35 AM

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lich is strongest when it allows the players to get away with shit that they knew was gonna happen and did because they had a lich

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IMO at least

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:35 AM

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i still stand by the fact that dydimos is dogshit

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:35 AM

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TRUE

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OH MY GOD SO TRUE

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I didnt wanna say it

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lol

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:35 AM

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it does like

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nothing????

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:35 AM

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jolly gorge lich is strongest when it allows the players to get away with shit that they kne...

Sometimes three landmines is a worthwhile cost

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:36 AM

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rocky hawk nothing????

nichely it is extremely good

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which is not a good thing to be for a 3 sp AI

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:36 AM

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rocky hawk i still stand by the fact that dydimos is dogshit

Agree, though it has a niche

jolly gorge Mar 30, 2026, 3:36 AM

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jolly gorge nichely it is extremely good

and this niche will probably come up once in a campaign

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 3:36 AM

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ive never seen it used well

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:36 AM

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rocky hawk ive never seen it used well

3 landmines used didymos

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Didymos is fun for a sacrificial pawn but it could have maybe been a drone

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Goodnight, I continue this tomorrow

dense cedar Mar 30, 2026, 3:46 AM

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rocky hawk i hate the gorgon

egads, why?
i should Extrude Basilisk you for that

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 3:30 PM

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@rocky hawk is the psychopomp from Myconid a hostile action?

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And would it be possible to make the passive core of myconid simply inflict +1 difficulty instead of impaired? That way it would harmonise with and incentivise scorpion due to impaired stacking onto the difficulty to give 2d6 dif

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Because else scorpion just becomes a jammer

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Does monitor module apply to psychopomp? That I designate a hostile as a target and the ally attacks so I get to skirmish against an ally? Or is that locked by the “you may only use this when folks move and you stab them”

dense cedar Mar 30, 2026, 4:00 PM

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gloomy lotus <@394595783170719754> is the psychopomp from Myconid a hostile action?

not bela but imo, no
it's a support tool that happens to include an attack roll
so mayyybe for specific instances where "making an attack roll" is specified, it might count there. It'd be depend for me personally as a gm

dense cedar Mar 30, 2026, 4:00 PM

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gloomy lotus Does monitor module apply to psychopomp? That I designate a hostile as a target ...

Like Vorpal Gun there should be No other method of firing it.

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 4:09 PM

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dense cedar not bela but imo, no it's a support tool that happens to include an attack roll ...

This is why I ask Bel. Since what is written and what is the intent may differ

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 4:10 PM

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dense cedar Like Vorpal Gun there should be **No** other method of firing it.

See my above comment

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 4:21 PM

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gloomy lotus <@394595783170719754> is the psychopomp from Myconid a hostile action?

No

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 4:22 PM

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rocky hawk No

So I can’t activate mimic mesh. Damn. Aight. Thanks

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 4:25 PM

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Some dms might rule it differently

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But hitting your friend isn't hostile

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It would be very powerful to trigger your own mimic mesh

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 4:32 PM

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rocky hawk It would be very powerful to trigger your own mimic mesh

Can you answer the question concerning Halo?

rocky hawk Mar 30, 2026, 4:33 PM

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Scorpion doesn't need to be stronger lmao

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2 difficulty will never be better than not being able to make any attacks in the first place

gloomy lotus Mar 30, 2026, 4:59 PM

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rocky hawk Scorpion doesn't need to be stronger lmao

I was simply curious

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:37 AM

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@rocky hawk hyper engineered munitions?

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:37 AM

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what about it

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:37 AM

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best damage system in the game

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specifically on purple thorn with stalk the horizon it's a protocol to get 8 AP damage and impair people without a save

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thermal charge is for melees (which do more damage usually), and it's limited 3 for 3.5 average damage

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so over double lol

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with impairment

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:39 AM

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it got changed slightly, it now ends at the end of your current turn so no stalk

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4 ap if you land both

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:40 AM

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BRO

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it's not that big of an if

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:40 AM

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rocky hawk it got changed slightly, it now ends at the end of your current turn so no stalk

that is much more reasonable

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still too good but more reasonable at least

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especially since it's not a mod like thermal charge so you can still mod the weapons

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:41 AM

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mods suck on auxes

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and if you dont do an aux its 2 ap which is bad

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:41 AM

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I mean, thermal charge hardly any weaker on an aux than a main

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mains get duelist accuracies

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:41 AM

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exactly

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:41 AM

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eh heavy is a better example

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:41 AM

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worse on everything other than auxes

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:42 AM

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rocky hawk mods suck on auxes

this confuses me

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:43 AM

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cause they only effect one of the two

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:43 AM

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ok but that doesnt matter a lot of the time

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shock wreathe, thermal charge

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ripper mod

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molten wreathe

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greenlight projection

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all of those are not hindered by being on an aux

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:45 AM

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not significantly no, but you land less hits than a main

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:45 AM

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only kind of

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gunslinger also hands you a free accuracy

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ripper mod is for ranged weapons, which duelist doesnt exist for

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main rangeds do not get free accuracies like main melees or ranged auxes do

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:46 AM

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main ranged dont thats true

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:46 AM

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aux melees also get disdainful blade, so they get basically a reroll if the first one whiffs

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which is better than duelist accuracy

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:47 AM

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true

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still not sure hyper is significantly stronger than thermal

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:47 AM

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free impairment is a lot

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:48 AM

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being able to decide if you wanna spend your limited charge AFTER you hit is also a lot

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it does probably need a save though

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ill concede that

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:48 AM

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I am happy with that lol

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:49 AM

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rocky hawk it got changed slightly, it now ends at the end of your current turn so no stalk

mostly happy with this tho

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it is unfortunate that it cant work with stalk, just good interplay with the mech and license, but it literally has to be this way

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fitzgerald player is switching to a purple thorn and we are using the old rules for the system which do work with stalk so I will let you know how absurd it is and you will not be surprised

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:50 AM

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whens your next session

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:50 AM

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saturday prob

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 4:50 AM

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hopeufly v2 will be out by then

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:51 AM

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wont be running it, changing builds last minute results in some major combat effectiveness losses

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will switch to it after tho

jolly gorge Mar 31, 2026, 4:52 AM

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jolly gorge wont be running it, changing builds last minute results in some major combat eff...

unless the builds are hardly changed then we will

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 5:02 AM

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fair enough

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 6:01 PM

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doing a playtest in aobut 30 minutes, if anyone here is interested lemme know

dense cedar Mar 31, 2026, 6:10 PM

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i wish
agony
timing is never good for me

misty lance Mar 31, 2026, 6:12 PM

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fuck it I'm not doing anything today

misty lance Mar 31, 2026, 6:13 PM

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rocky hawk doing a playtest in aobut 30 minutes, if anyone here is interested lemme know

I'm in

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 6:16 PM

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sick

misty lance Mar 31, 2026, 6:17 PM

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we using the latest npc from here or a new one?

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 6:24 PM

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ill send the most up to date on

gloomy lotus Mar 31, 2026, 6:33 PM

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rocky hawk doing a playtest in aobut 30 minutes, if anyone here is interested lemme know

Here

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 6:33 PM

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well you are already part

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we are using open table for right now

rocky hawk Mar 31, 2026, 6:37 PM

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misty lance we using the latest npc from here or a new one?

now

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ha hangout

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:10 PM

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i just was read back in this chat for the stuff i missed from working, is seneshal another LCP project? or worldbuilding stuff

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 9:11 PM

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It's the hazard weapon at ll3

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It's got 20 range

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:12 PM

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i forgotten the hazard existed 😭

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 9:12 PM

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LMAO

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:12 PM

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is the system point on that and the heat to make it different from GMS rifle?

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 9:12 PM

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It's to make up for the sheer fucking range of it

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:13 PM

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point at guy, flick them in the forehead

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 9:13 PM

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Exactly

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:14 PM

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im being reminded of hazard nonsense

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with stat comp and the frame trait of plus one reliable on panic breaker can you make the reliable bigger than the regular damage

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base 6 damage, reliable four, goes to 5 on the hazard and 7 with statistical compensator

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 9:30 PM

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The reliable trait actually got a buff

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It's now 1/2 grit

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So 1 till 6

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And at 12 you get 3

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:47 PM

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and that can exceed a weapons normal damage?

misty lance Apr 1, 2026, 9:48 PM

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yes

unkempt iron Apr 1, 2026, 9:48 PM

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my brain is telling me this could be stupid but so am i

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so there are no ideas up there

misty lance Apr 1, 2026, 9:51 PM

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RAW Reliable is the minimum possible damage a weapon can do.
If you get Reliable that exceeds a weapon's damage, then it deals the Reliable damage

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 9:53 PM

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unkempt iron my brain is telling me this could be stupid but so am i

it maxes at 3 at ll12

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your still pretty far under enemy hp and damage scaling

jolly gorge Apr 1, 2026, 11:11 PM

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rocky hawk So 1 till 6

1 til 5

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right?

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you get grit on odds

rocky hawk Apr 1, 2026, 11:12 PM

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sure

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i guestimated

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 1:36 AM

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still not happy with koremasa stuff

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made some changes

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plasma shimmer now gives the passive from shurikens

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now they ricochette off normal hits

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but can clear 1 heat on a crit

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idk

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thoughts?

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who knows

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i think shurken are just too much

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yeah im removing the on crit but

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idk we will see

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gonna give it a damage?

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nah

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this just looks cleaner

dense cedar Apr 3, 2026, 4:44 AM

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yipee!!!

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 5:04 AM

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yay!!!

stable apex Apr 3, 2026, 7:09 AM

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Hey, just wanted to bring this to y'all's attention that the Sluagh LL1 weapon Rend Nexus has a typo in its ON CRITICAL HIT line. It says "the next against against you has +2 Difficulty." Sorry for any inconvenience.

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 7:09 AM

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Oh shit does it really

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I'll fix that thanks

stable apex Apr 3, 2026, 7:12 AM

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No problem.

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 7:17 AM

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Alrighty fix is live

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Good catch

gloomy lotus Apr 3, 2026, 1:53 PM

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Congrats Bel

fair slate Apr 3, 2026, 3:16 PM

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She's the GOAT in more ways than one

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 4:03 PM

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:(

gloomy lotus Apr 3, 2026, 5:24 PM

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Aye published

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Nice

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 5:25 PM

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technically already been published

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republished

gloomy lotus Apr 3, 2026, 5:27 PM

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rocky hawk technically already been published

Yeah but that’s still gnarly and should be celebrated

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 5:27 PM

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my patreon is open

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/j in case that wasnt clear

gloomy lotus Apr 3, 2026, 5:28 PM

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rocky hawk /j in case that wasnt clear

Aye

zenith oasis Apr 3, 2026, 6:05 PM

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YOOO just seeing this homebrew for the first time, it rules!!! I wanna try the sluagh so bad. The m/k2 is also an extremely well done gms frame, i love its 1/scene trait as its gms Thing, and the core active is fun too

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A question re: myconid, how long do the slow and impair from its core active last? Is it just a burst 2 slow/impair aura basically, or a one time scenelong application, or something else?

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Also, are the new v2 mechs coming later in the pdf? Edit: or rather, the pdf hasnt been updated on itch, so its still got old stats/etc for other stuff too thats different than the lcp, so checking if thats intentional/known or not

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 6:50 PM

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zenith oasis A question re: myconid, how long do the slow and impair from its core active las...

Burst 2 aura that goes away id they leave it

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 6:50 PM

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zenith oasis Also, are the new v2 mechs coming later in the pdf? Edit: or rather, the pdf has...

PDF update pretty soon

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Today or tomorrow

zenith oasis Apr 3, 2026, 6:56 PM

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Hell yeah

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 7:54 PM

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pdf just updated

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and uploaded

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just check analytics, we have surpased our previous pead of 980 and are sitting at 1400 current daily views!

zenith oasis Apr 3, 2026, 8:19 PM

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question regarding the hazard's trait: does it give a weapon reliable if it doesnt have any, or does it only increase existing reliable values?

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 8:20 PM

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increase and give

zenith oasis Apr 3, 2026, 8:20 PM

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goodeyes

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really enjoying your mechanic designs, they're all very fun

dense cedar Apr 3, 2026, 8:22 PM

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greenwash my beloved

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 8:30 PM

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zenith oasis really enjoying your mechanic designs, they're all very fun

any favorites?

zenith oasis Apr 3, 2026, 8:35 PM

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im always a big fan of defender/support stuff and the sluagh's overshield and adjacency shenanigans are really fun. like the morrigan-class nhp is just a really solid system that works for a ton of frames let alone the sluagh itself

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and the subutai too! i never thought id be interested in anything barbarossa adjacent but you did a great job of giving it an alt frame that still feels like its related to the barbarossa while being enjoyable for a playstyle other than "sit still and shoot big guns"

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 8:45 PM

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defenders have some of the most interesting design space and its a shame to see a lot of it just being boiled down to soft/hard cover

unkempt iron Apr 3, 2026, 10:49 PM

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The koremasa is really neat but I agree that the shurikens are in a weird spot

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The damage being any higher makes the multi attack two strong

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Same with the heat

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 10:50 PM

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abandoning the crit gimick i think really helped them out

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i realized id rather have the ricochette on normal hit and just toss the accuracy

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it was cluttery

unkempt iron Apr 3, 2026, 10:56 PM

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The accuracy being a frame trait also makes the sickle feel even better

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 10:57 PM

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i think that got removed for now

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frame is already a touch pushed

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might reimpliment it later on

rocky hawk Apr 3, 2026, 11:20 PM

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40 downloads away from 1000 in a day

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 12:08 AM

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unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 12:28 AM

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Does the gloire function with grappling hooks or something?

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What does it use to yoink people

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 12:28 AM

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the extendo arm

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grabs you

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 1:50 AM

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The yoinker

dense cedar Apr 4, 2026, 1:58 AM

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the yoinker sploinker

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:02 AM

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God rereading the black mountain stats now cu, of the discussion a few days ago

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:02 AM

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too busted?

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:02 AM

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An end to all things having no limit to use

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But also dropping the heat cap would make it too week

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As would making it a reaction or limiting it too hard

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:03 AM

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unkempt iron An end to all things having no limit to use

2/round maybe?

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3/?

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:03 AM

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Yeah, 2 maybe?

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Having to cherry pick which allies to do it for could be helpful

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2/round reaction?

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That way it's also once per allies turn

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Rest of the frame feels pretty balanced

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:06 AM

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2/round as a reaction, whenever an allied character with OVERSHIELD you granted makes a successful attack roll against a hostile character within sensors and line of sight, you may take 1 heat to have them deal +3 bonus damage.

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type shit

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:07 AM

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Hell yeah

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The multiple times in a turn, multiple allies, etc is a lot

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Increasing the heat cost or lowering the heat cap would make it far less useful

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:09 AM

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rocky hawk 2/round as a reaction, whenever an allied character with OVERSHIELD you granted ...

Could I deploy two turret drones and get similar effect?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:10 AM

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you can move

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and bonus damage gets around armor

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no limited

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no chance for them to be destroyed

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no action cost on deploying

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:11 AM

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Which LL?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:11 AM

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i mean2

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:11 AM

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Because its bonus damage, would it apply to second-slot aux weapons or nah

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:11 AM

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no

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:12 AM

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Figured

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:12 AM

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rocky hawk i mean2

And it’d be too powerful if you’d take out “granted by you” from the overshield, right?

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:12 AM

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Yeah

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But its on the emperor license

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Which is where 90% of the overshield shit comes from, outside of slaugh

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:13 AM

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unkempt iron But its on the emperor license

Yeah there is Saladin though

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:14 AM

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Sal gives OC?

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:14 AM

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@rocky hawk would you ever make a Lich alt?

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:14 AM

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unkempt iron Sal gives OC?

Iirc, ye

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:16 AM

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gloomy lotus <@394595783170719754> would you ever make a Lich alt?

fuck no

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id rather eat bricks

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:18 AM

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rocky hawk fuck no

Scared I’d use it?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:18 AM

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the liscence is not condusive to my type of design

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:19 AM

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You usually have very tangible buffs and debuffs, yeah

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:21 AM

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rocky hawk the liscence is not condusive to my type of design

I have noticed a pretty clear consistent through line to your license designs and frame alts, its really cool

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:21 AM

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i do have a type

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:21 AM

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Occupying a grey area between the blunt, very straightforward design, and the really obtuse woo-woo shit

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All your designs are crunchy

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:21 AM

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i havent the heart for woo woo

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:21 AM

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rocky hawk i do have a type

Black Witch hasn’t gotten an alt yet, has it?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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already has one

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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rocky hawk already has one

?

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Orchis

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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Orchis

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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Right

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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Orchis is weeeeiiiird

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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Then again I’ve found three kobold alts so far

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So you can defo make some

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:22 AM

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I like the salamander from enhanced combat

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:23 AM

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I’ve yet to see a Lich alt

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:23 AM

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My roommate and I were talking about the sixth voice lcp last night actually

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:23 AM

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Oh wait a fucking sec you can make a Lich into a defender

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:23 AM

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They mostly just engage with lancer by taking my laptop, going through the stuff I've downloaded, then going on their own laptop and brewing up weird builds

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:24 AM

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unkempt iron They mostly just engage with lancer by taking my laptop, going through the stuff...

Why do they not have comp con on their laptop

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:24 AM

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No i just have nine billion things downloaded because I like looking at neat toys ill never play with

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They mostly like the stuff from sixth voice and the newcomers, other than the official stuff

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:25 AM

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newcomers..

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:25 AM

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unkempt iron They mostly like the stuff from sixth voice and the newcomers, other than the of...

pishly fan

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:25 AM

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True!!!!

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When the koremasa art came out they got so excited they punched me in the arm

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:25 AM

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unkempt iron No i just have nine billion things downloaded because I like looking at neat toy...

You get the no ice in Minnesota pack on itch.io? That’d be a lot of stuff (like 1400 something projects)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:26 AM

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i owned lancer from the blm pack they did and i never realized it

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:27 AM

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Also in their stoned fuge last night they said Bela should make a melee frame license that's a melee equivalent to the Pegasus

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:27 AM

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then i bought it normally

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melee pegasus

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...

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hmnmm

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:27 AM

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I think they meant

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Like

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A new horus license

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:27 AM

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Yeah just roll dice to randomise armour, speed and sensors

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Done

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:27 AM

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With a weird paracausal mimic-gun thats a pointy stick

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:27 AM

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nah like

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counts as all sizes melee weapon?

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:28 AM

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unkempt iron With a weird paracausal mimic-gun thats a pointy stick

Roll d10, the weapon has that damage and has half that threat

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:28 AM

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THATS RAD

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:28 AM

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can throw it, backswing, duelist

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:28 AM

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Counts as aux = throwable with hunter
Counts as heavy = backswing

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YES

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Yes yes yes

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:29 AM

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Pegasus feels more woo woo than lich

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:29 AM

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not in the slightest

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its crunch cause it interfaces with mechanics directly

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:30 AM

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I’ll just have to make a Lich alt myself

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:30 AM

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go for it!

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lemme know what you come up with

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:31 AM

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Defender. Or rather two defenders. Core didymos and then focus on stealing everyones statuses to inflict them on the enemy (one at a time)

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But that ain’t balanced

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:33 AM

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Sorry im still caught up on the mimic blade

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I'm picturing a frame that looks like the prototype eva units, like Pegasus but like

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Sharp

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:33 AM

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its called Multitool

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for sure

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something esoteric like that

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:34 AM

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Was printed as a literal multitool but ra touched it weird style

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:35 AM

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Call it Troll

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:35 AM

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OH THATS RAD

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:36 AM

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Eh

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:36 AM

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I was gonna say ogre but troll could imply some Balor style regeneration/defense

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Maybe it can regenerate a destroyed weapon

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:36 AM

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Melee mimic feels like a redo of normal mimic

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:36 AM

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Like troll limb regeneration

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:37 AM

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gloomy lotus Melee mimic feels like a redo of normal mimic

well it wouldnt be random

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:37 AM

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unkempt iron Maybe it can regenerate a destroyed weapon

Alright so ignore a structure check. You know how much pilots are gonna overcharge the mech then?

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:38 AM

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Hmmm

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:39 AM

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rocky hawk well it wouldnt be random

You text like you speak. And a gun that’s is(n’t) is easier than a mech that is(n’t)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:39 AM

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i speak like i do a lot of things

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:40 AM

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rocky hawk i speak like i do a lot of things

But it’s night

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Anyway, found a way to repurpose lich

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:40 AM

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gloomy lotus But it’s night

and i cant see in the dark

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:41 AM

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rocky hawk and i cant see in the dark

And that’s scary

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Every time you inflict a status on someone you can pull or push someone by 3

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:42 AM

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gloomy lotus Alright so ignore a structure check. You know how much pilots are gonna overchar...

Fuck im still stuck on this

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:42 AM

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people do that anyway lmao

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:43 AM

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unkempt iron Fuck im still stuck on this

Congrats. Exposed becomes a worry of the past for a while. Ignoring a structure check while running around with the unknowable shank of the void

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Great fun

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:44 AM

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rocky hawk people do that anyway lmao

Have a small post-it whenever you pilot it “just cause I ignore the armament destruction doesn’t mean I ignore the structure check”

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:45 AM

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God I have two conflicting ideas

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Regenerating weapon mount and separately forcing a structure test to destroy a weapon once per scene

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I do think a weird mimic melee should be an integrated weapon for the frame and then only give it one or two mounts

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:46 AM

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unkempt iron Regenerating weapon mount and separately forcing a structure test to destroy a w...

Then you get a weapon as a sacrificial lamb to ignore the structure. Or if you regen a weapon mount then where is the danger of structure?

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:46 AM

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To kinda parallel the ushabti omni-toucher

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:47 AM

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gloomy lotus Then you get a weapon as a sacrificial lamb to ignore the structure. Or if you r...

Yeah like I said they are conflicting concepts that are way too strong in tandem

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:47 AM

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unkempt iron Yeah like I said they are conflicting concepts that are way too strong in tandem

Even alone they sound a bit busted

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Combos with Lycan too

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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Oh god

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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:]

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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I forgot about the spike puppy

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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Lycan is melee Pegasus

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:48 AM

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Ugh but its differenttttt

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Lycan is a coughing atomic baby bomb

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:49 AM

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unkempt iron Lycan is a coughing atomic baby bomb

Lycan is atomic baby until you hit its homie then lycan is the hell vortex

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:50 AM

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See I guess in my head lycan feels like it explicitly occupies a defender slot, at least partially, and a melee mimic peggysus is a striker to the very end

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:51 AM

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Lycan quite literally goes from fuck around -> to -> find out

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Defender -> Striker

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:51 AM

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Yeahh, the striker part is evil pointy pocket sand

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:52 AM

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3d6+4

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:52 AM

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Idk my one player has gone lycan since LL2 and I can think of one time in the last three sessions they've popped it

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:52 AM

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Look them in the eyes and tell them to use it because holy fuck

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:52 AM

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I dont have their current build saved but its a weird manty-saladin-white witch defender

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:53 AM

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Oh this player focuses on lycan due to armour value and not kill value

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Huh

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:53 AM

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Yuup

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And the interference stuff at range 3

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:54 AM

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unkempt iron Yuup

Yeah that means you just shoot them with AP

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:54 AM

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And then having the lightning generator to start slinging 4ap when they feel froggy

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:54 AM

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lycan my behated,

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:54 AM

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gloomy lotus Yeah that means you just shoot them with AP

Thats been the plan, that and punishing them for overusing lightning generator and hardlight barrier with witches

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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superheavy moment

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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rocky hawk lycan my behated,

I know what I’m playing next

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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unkempt iron Thats been the plan, that and punishing them for overusing lightning generator a...

Sniper. Just sniper

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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rocky hawk superheavy moment

So you really won’t consider a Lich alt?

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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See this player would be the exact type to abuse the melee mimic fuckery that was discussed above

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 AM

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unkempt iron See this player would be the exact type to abuse the melee mimic fuckery that wa...

Exactly

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 AM

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not looking into more alt frames just yet

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 AM

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Aight

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 AM

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So maybe I should pray Bela DOESNT get any ideas

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 AM

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unkempt iron So maybe I should pray Bela DOESNT get any ideas

:] we ain’t Bel now are we

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 AM

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True dat

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 AM

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You also don’t gotta pray

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Bel has good ideas

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 2:57 AM

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Yes exactly

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One of my coworkers saw me looking at the koremasa art and when I explained the core gameplay loop for it, that is what sold them on starting to play lancer

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So like

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The sauce is there

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 3:01 AM

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unkempt iron The sauce is there

The sauce, as you call it, comes from love and hate of the game

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 3:01 AM

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gloomy lotus The sauce, as you call it, comes from love and hate of the game

hate is a powerful motivator

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 3:01 AM

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unkempt iron hate is a powerful motivator

Eh. Nah. Hate is finite.

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 3:01 AM

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But loving the game and the world it inhabits is necessary to keep momentum

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Something pissing you off enough to do something is a good push, I mean. Especially with game design

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WAIT HOLY SHIT

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Has there always been a ll0 mech in sixth voice?????

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I've been bamboozled

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 3:04 AM

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unkempt iron Has there always been a ll0 mech in sixth voice?????

Which one

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 3:04 AM

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MK/2

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 3:04 AM

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unkempt iron Something pissing you off enough to do something is a good push, I mean. Especia...

Maybe, who’s to say

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 3:04 AM

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rocky hawk MK/2

Oh, ta

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 3:05 AM

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Woe, nine billion rpgs and missile racks upon ye

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Move over monarch

gloomy lotus Apr 4, 2026, 3:05 AM

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unkempt iron Woe, nine billion rpgs and missile racks upon ye

Miss me with that

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 3:06 AM

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Also am I crazy or can purple thorn just load up on blink bolts and trigger gunslinger and rainmaker like insanely quickly

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Gunslinger potentially charging in one or two turns, stormbringer just being an occasional treat for smacking people in the head enough times

forest trail Apr 4, 2026, 3:35 AM

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Woah! Just checking out this cool hb for the first time, I absolutely Love the Vauban!

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Wait shit the server profile didn't update

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Bit failed

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 3:36 AM

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hold on

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try again

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go redo your server profile

forest trail Apr 4, 2026, 3:38 AM

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Woah! Just checking out this cool hb for the first time, I absolutely Love the Vauban!

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 3:40 AM

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Woagh the art genius themself

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 4:24 AM

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rocky hawk superheavy moment

to be fair lycan has just about the only good Sheavy in the game

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it is VERY good lol

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but let the Sheavy fans have something

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 5:33 AM

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rocky hawk i havent the heart for woo woo

I will say, Lich alts don't need to be weird - people focus a lot on the Frame and its fluff, but the Lich license is just... solid support tools that happen to be Tech. Didymos is really the outlier. When I did my Lich alt, it ended up being a tanky grunt-type support mech. It's very easy to turn the fluff into something more Kidd-adjacent, if that's where the issue lies.

(Of course, if the issue is that the license mechanics don't speak to your design philosophies... very fair, haha. I have frames like that.)

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 AM

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rocky hawk melee pegasus

Melee Pegasus is... one of the alts that people like to do a lot, but it ends up hitting a few stumbling blocks. Mainly that pretty much the entire license has a ton of budget going towards long range stuff - long range guns, seeking doesn't matter if you're melee, Eye of Horus is a lot less helpful for a melee frame, melee autoguns are a lot harder to make sure you get use out of them every turn...

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:43 AM

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limber maple Melee Pegasus is... one of the alts that people like to do a lot, but it ends up...

Pegasus is actually one of the liscences i purposely didn't work with,I like giving existing ideas more breadth and the tools just werent very interesting to me

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Not as 3d as gorgon

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Or goblin

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But that's personal preference

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 5:44 AM

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Yeah, Peggy is a hard license to alt. It's just... incredibly solid at what it does, but that composition makes it hard to do something different with it.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:44 AM

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Exactly

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No extra sub themes to expand on

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Like tortuga

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That was an easy liscence to expand on

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 5:45 AM

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(Funnily enough, I've had the same problem with Gorgon - I find it really hard to come up with something that's as useful to the license as "2 reactions per turn", even discounting the other Gorgon stuff.)

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Gorgon too synergistic, pls nerf. 😔

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:46 AM

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Lmao fucking real

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This is reminding me though, I don't think I got a chance to read through all your stuff

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I gotta do that

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 5:50 AM

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I don't blame anyone for not - there's rather a lot of it, haha.

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(Also there's the constant war between "hey, I want to look at neat stuff" and "oh no, if I see something neat then I feel like I can't do anything similar to that" when it comes to homebrew.)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:10 AM

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limber maple I don't blame anyone for not - there's rather a lot of it, haha.

Realized why I havent read it

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Gonna buy it tomorrow and give it a read

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Love the inclusion of NPCs, those are always a real pain

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:11 AM

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limber maple (Also there's the constant war between "hey, I want to look at neat stuff" and "...

I'm actually a freak who doesn't run games with much homebrew

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Even my own, I have like 1 player who uses it in my main game

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Love reading it though

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:13 AM

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rocky hawk Love the inclusion of NPCs, those are always a real pain

It's a way different design philosophy than PCs. You can get a lot more focused on one gimmick, but you have to make sure that it's a playable gimmick. ~~I definitely am not currently entirely rewriting one of my NPCs because it's ended up too one note and situational.~~

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:14 AM

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It's so easy to make things good and boring or bad and complex

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Better than busted and complex and bad and boring I supose

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:15 AM

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rocky hawk Even my own, I have like 1 player who uses it in my main game

I'm lucky that I have players who like stress-testing my homebrew, haha. It's very useful at finding busted combos.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:16 AM

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All my playtests are with an entirely seperate groups of people and randoms from here

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That group is fairly new to lancer so

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:16 AM

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rocky hawk Better than busted and complex and bad and boring I supose

I've definitely learned that erring too strong tends to be easier to fix than being too weak. You get a lot more actionable feedback that way - far easier to point to "this specific trait was doing too much" or whatnot, compared to "...it didn't really feel like it was doing enough?"

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:16 AM

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Yeah, very understandable

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I always try to make things balanced but it's so easy to make crazy busted things

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Ive always felt like hazard is on the weaker side but I've had people say it was nuts

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Someone commented that basically every frame was overtorqued other than fitz

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I can't tell how much is actual design errors vs personal preference

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But I always feel like I gotta tweek things if someone complains

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Not sure if you've dealt with that

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:23 AM

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There's definitely the innate feeling of "oh no, there's a complaint, I must be doing something wrong." But, things always need to be taken in context.

Is this feedback from actual play testing? What was the situation? Or is this just theorycrafting? And so on. Rarely can you ever make everyone happy.

Plus, sometimes you're just going to run into people with different design philosophies. You do start to get a feel for when you can put your foot down and go "thank you for your feedback, but I don't plan on changing this."

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:24 AM

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Yeah Im AWFUL at seeing negative opinions

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Critique is fine but

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I'm glad to hear I'm not alone on that front

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Especially from one of the big names lmao

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:29 AM

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The fires of #homebrew-design can burn hot, and you can be told things are both undertuned and overtuned at the same time. A lot of game design comes down to taking in what people are saying, and feeling out the why instead.

"Why are people saying this is too good? Is it overshadowing the signature trait of something in core? Is there a combo that's too good? What makes this bad? Have I put too much budget into something situational?"

Really, the biggest lesson is just that sometimes people are wrong, haha. It's always worth hearing feedback, but you don't have to action everything.

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:30 AM

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rocky hawk Especially from one of the big names lmao

...it always feels weird to be called that, because I always feel like I just have my little niche in the shadows of greater designers, haha.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:30 AM

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I mean, you have a full on field guide, thats worth money and

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Has a lot of fully fleshed out content

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Id be honored to get your thoughts on stuff

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Not sure how much insight I can have on iridia that you haven't already had though

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:32 AM

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limber maple ...it always feels weird to be called that, because I always feel like I just ha...

Literally everyone here knows you

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:32 AM

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I'll be honest: my Game Design Acumen™ is almost entirely "is this objectively better/worse than X or Y core thing?" And then a lot of fiddling around and bashing my head against the wall in playtesting, haha.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:32 AM

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Mood

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I struggle to evaluate certain things, emperor for example is one of the most busted frames ever in my opinion and when I made an alt for it

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I was like, ok , this can be kind of nuts because it will still always be worse

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And some people agree and some think it's nutso busted

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(plus some core frames are super barebones and weak)

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:34 AM

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I am incredibly conservative in my game design ethos - I mostly just poke at what's there with a stick and shift a few things around. Anything in my stuff that's more than that has gone thorough a lot of trial and error. 😛

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:35 AM

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Id like to think I'm the same way but who knows

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Lancer homebrew runs such a gamut

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:36 AM

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rocky hawk And some people agree and some think it's nutso busted

Ah, one of the big sticking points of game design - what is the person's view of the "standard" Lancer power level. Are they comparing things towards casually played Napoleons and Lancasters? Or the Fully Optimized Smartgun Tokugawas?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:36 AM

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Ive had people give feedback that seems entirely irrelevant of homebrew

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Like, someone used your one frame and the whole team cleared my encounter in 1 round

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:38 AM

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Yeah, sometimes you have to be able to parse out if the feedback's actually homebrew relevant, or if it's just... because of other factors.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:38 AM

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Idk, maybe BM is too good at snowballing? Maybe your encounter sucked, maybe your players high rolled, maybe the ultra had a heart attack

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Idk

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It's comforting to know it's a common experience

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:40 AM

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Oh, very much so. It's the eternal joke in game design, especially in video games: "players don't know what they want (and also you typically have to read between the lines for the real feedback)."

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Like, I remember watching a game design video where the solution to "this gun in this shooter doesn't feel like it's strong enough" was, IIRC, just to make the gun louder. There was nothing wrong with the numbers, it was just the feel of things.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:43 AM

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Fuck, how the hell do I make my mechs louder

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Lcps don't support mp3s do they

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:44 AM

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~~YOU HAVE TO WRITE IN ALL CAPS!~~

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:44 AM

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA counts then?

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Good to hear

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:46 AM

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Sounds reasonable to me!

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(Note: Do not actually listen to my advice. Including this one.)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:47 AM

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Too late, AAAAA has been a core design philosophy from frame 2

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:55 AM

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Well, if it works, it works. 😉

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(The true secret of game design.)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:55 AM

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I really do appreciate the tips though

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Not sure how much more balancing is left overall but

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Probably a lot

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:56 AM

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I mean, sometimes you just need to be able to give yourself permission to say "yes, this is where I'm stopping," haha.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:57 AM

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I want it to be perfect because

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I don't have another project in me

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:57 AM

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(Ignore that I'm a terrible example of that, and keep pushing small updates every 6-12 months as problems trickle in.)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:57 AM

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Every 6-12 MONTHS

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I do updates every couple days...

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I mean it's typically just wording but whatever

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 6:59 AM

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rocky hawk I don't have another project in me

Oh, I feel that. That's why I specifically aimed for a long rim sized project for my 2nd one. And took it slowly. Because burnout is always something to be cautious of.

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:01 AM

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rocky hawk I do updates every couple days...

Yeah, but yours is still in active development and stuff, right? That's reasonable. Mine is effectively finished, so I just keep a notepad of non-critical updates that might be nice to have, and then if I have enough (and find the time), I'll get an update going.

...admittedly, a lot of this is because I don't like having to fight with my layout program, and get it all onto itch, haha. I miss when Iridia was small enough to fit in a google doc that I could PDF.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:03 AM

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I gave up on Google docs

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It's such a pain

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And sort of? It's active as in, i feel like it always needs more balancing

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But new content is tenuous

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:05 AM

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I mean, that's reasonable. Playtesting is still a valid part of development.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:06 AM

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Playtesting hell

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If only each one didn't take up the whole fucking day

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6-7 hour commitments

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:10 AM

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For my testing, I ended up running a campaign (and specifically told my players "hey, please take some of this stuff if you want to play, thanks"), and that was 4 hours weekly. Which feels a lot more manageable than trying to keep focused for 6+ hours, geez.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:11 AM

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Don't have a regular slot open for a campaign alas ( job and college) but that is a good idea for when I do

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I'll keep it in mind

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:11 AM

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Yeeeah, that's definitely the drawback, in that you need a regular timeslot.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:12 AM

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Campaign balance is honestly more valuable too because people start realizing how limiting limited really is

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Limited 4 seems like a lot until you get 1 use per combat in one mission

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Rep cap starts mattering

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Survivability long term

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:13 AM

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Also it lets you see how stuff reacts to different types of scenarios - as well as just having more data points.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:13 AM

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Fragile mechs get worse and all thst

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:13 AM

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limber maple Also it lets you see how stuff reacts to different types of scenarios - as well ...

Exactly

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:15 AM

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Also, having missions instead of oneshots made it feel more reasonable to not have everyone with homebrew, because there were going to be five more to test things out with. So you could get some testing in with different core-to-homebrew squad compositions. (I did let everyone full respec after each mission.)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:16 AM

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All of these points are so tempting

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But it would kill me I fear

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One day

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One day I'll get the chance

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:17 AM

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Yeah, knowing your limits is also important. No sense in burning yourself out and not getting any data, haha.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:17 AM

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Fair

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I appreciate the tips

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I do gotta go to sleep now but I'll give iridia a look tomorrow

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Heard nothing but good things about it

limber maple Apr 4, 2026, 7:19 AM

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Well, glad that sharing my experiences could help out any, haha.

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And no rush in checking things out. I know it's beefy. 😅
(Always happy to hear any thoughts on it in the Iridia thread, though!)

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 12:32 PM

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jolly gorge to be fair lycan has just about the only good Sheavy in the game

I like the dd288 🙁

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:50 PM

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its not that its bad, its just

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a little underwhelming compared to lycan superheavy

finite wyvern Apr 4, 2026, 2:54 PM

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NOT TCB????

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OR CYCLONE PULSE RIFLE???

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 2:54 PM

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i love me a tcb

finite wyvern Apr 4, 2026, 2:55 PM

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yay!

finite wyvern Apr 4, 2026, 2:56 PM

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limber maple Ah, one of the big sticking points of game design - what is the person's view of...

Tsym preach

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Usually I think that

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This is unprofessional advice (MINE NOT YOURS)

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but think of power level in terms of: "what creates the best player experience"

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like what will make them have fun thinking of the 10000 ways to use fmj

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or get crazy with so many different limited systems setups on gilgamesh

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the point of power is to give you a point to play the frame

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 4:51 PM

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finite wyvern NOT TCB????

I mean TCB is alright

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but like you get maybe +3 or 4 average barrage damage at best when compared to barraging with a heavy + main or main/aux flex bonus d6, and you lose the ability to skirmish entirely, so if things dont go your way (like you have to boost), you just cant do your damage

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Shock claws, however, are 4d6+6 and functionally 5d6+6 because of the chain lightning

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and 5d6+6 is quite a lot!

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 4:54 PM

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its crazy

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and you get executioner

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 4:55 PM

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jolly gorge I mean TCB is alright

Kinetic hammer + tac melee barrage is also 3d6+4, you lose AP, you lose a threat, but you gain the ability to skirmish and do the majority of your damage

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and with the way that bonus damage stacks on your first attack, Sheavies are just hard to justify

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 4:56 PM

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rocky hawk and you get executioner

I think the record in my last campaign for a go loud turn was 3 kills

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he almost had 4 but just shy by a few HP

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non-grunts ofc

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:01 PM

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rocky hawk its crazy

I have kind of a dumb question,

Entrap
As a free action, choose a character within sensors and line of sight. They must make a systems save or only be able to draw line of sight to adjacent spaces. Targets affected this way always consider you within range and line of sight.

so they consider you within range, but do they consider you within threat?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:01 PM

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yep

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:01 PM

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ok i figured

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I see this mech saw a lot of nerfs lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:01 PM

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though i cant imagine you wanna be putting it on very many melee frames

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most of them did lmao

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:02 PM

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iirc it was one of the stronger ones when I last checked

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:02 PM

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its always going to be good just from the sheer options you have

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even if most of them arent crazy powerful

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:02 PM

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rocky hawk though i cant imagine you wanna be putting it on very many melee frames

I mean ronin is the only one, to prevent instinct mode with threat 3

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allow the ally with threat 2 melees to kill the ronin without fear of being structured instantly from instinct mode

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btw teammate will be playing purple thorn today, I will update you on how that goes

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:06 PM

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please do!

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updated one?

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:06 PM

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rocky hawk its always going to be good just from the sheer options you have

well I remember when I last checked thinking the options were absurd lol

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:06 PM

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rocky hawk updated one?

ye

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:07 PM

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jolly gorge well I remember when I last checked thinking the options were absurd lol

I still think being able to to tech attacks that dont count as attacks and dont roll to hit is a bit uh

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I mean it's interesting for sure

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:07 PM

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its the best one

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:07 PM

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but like orator is in the game

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:07 PM

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for sure

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i think orator is busted anyway

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:08 PM

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it is

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:08 PM

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rocky hawk for sure

it does allow you to also break duplicate action restrictions

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as is, you cannot do the same invade on two different guys without an OC

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this allows you to, because you're taking the scan action, and that can be duplicated using a full tech

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:08 PM

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thats one of its main usses

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part of why the heatcap is 5

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and the every other turn

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:09 PM

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yeah but heat cap 5 isnt that bad

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:09 PM

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if you do it twice your probably gonna stress

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:09 PM

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and you can honestly run autocooler pretty comfortably lol as a sensors 20

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:10 PM

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rocky hawk if you do it twice your probably gonna stress

well not if you build engi

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:10 PM

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and your other stats are so bad, if you get engineering they jump you

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6 evasion fragile, 8 hp is rough

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:10 PM

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well, they can sure try to jump you, but they are jammed, demoralized, puppet systems away, save 12 false idol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:10 PM

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thats just normal goblin things

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:10 PM

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you arent making an attack

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:11 PM

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rocky hawk thats just normal goblin things

no but this is worse because you arent making an attack, so it opens up survivability options that dont work on people who attack

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:11 PM

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you do have a whole other action you are losing

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:12 PM

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wdym

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:12 PM

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if you are commiting to not attacking you either have to eat 4 heat on top of whatever else you are doing

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or do something else with your other quick

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best option is false idol

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:13 PM

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I think this allows you to be hidden permanently? I dont fully know if scan counts as a hostile action tbf

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:13 PM

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i would say that applying the effects of an invade counts as hostile

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:13 PM

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well but that's not the action

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the action is a scan

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lol it's a little unclear

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:14 PM

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"At the end of your turn, if you didn’t take any actions that affected a hostile character during that turn other than Scan" i think implies it does

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implies scan counts as an action that effects hostile characters

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:15 PM

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yeah but hostile actions and actions that affect hostile characters arent the same

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I can use a tech action on a hostile that benefits them

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:15 PM

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i think its gm discression

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lancer doesnt provide a real baseline for whats "hostile"

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i cant really fix that

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:15 PM

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yes "hostile action" is iffy at best

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:16 PM

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some gms with be hard ass with it, some will be gaslit by their players

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nothing you can do

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:16 PM

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IMO the best way to do it is to be as close as possible to rules as written

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I, personally as GM, would say that you can hide while doing this

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but I getchu

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:17 PM

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jolly gorge IMO the best way to do it is to be as close as possible to rules as written

(this is why I thoroughly ignore tom's word on blink charges lol)

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:17 PM

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whats he said about them?

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:17 PM

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it teleports everyone in the area

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which is chaos

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:18 PM

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does it not?

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:18 PM

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As written, "choose any character".

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singular

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:18 PM

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ive always seen it effect all characters in the zone

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but he said its supposed to be all characters?

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weird

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:18 PM

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yes

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personally I think all people is utter chaos lol

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and the mine on that system is so good

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It doesnt need that major buff

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:20 PM

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rocky hawk ive always seen it effect all characters in the zone

do you remember much of my LCP since you read it? I wanted to ask if there was anything you thought stood out as an oversight or broken or smth

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:21 PM

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yeah i still got it

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:21 PM

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lots has been changed since launch, mostly the systems have been reworked to be not stupid

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lots of the license systems on launch were kind not usable, like earthsplitter anchors

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:22 PM

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i remember most things being fine, just weird syntax on em

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:22 PM

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oh ok? I'd be glad to see an example

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:22 PM

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calling it heat damage

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comas and such

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:23 PM

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ah yes calling heat damage

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yeah I think I fixed that

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:23 PM

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the whole token thing on the jackhammer

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:23 PM

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that was before I realized heat was, in fact, not damage

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:23 PM

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lmao

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real

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the convergence wording

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:24 PM

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is it unclear or just weird

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:24 PM

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just weird

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i hate this though

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:24 PM

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lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:25 PM

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theres no term for overcharge level, its not an interactable stat

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goes weird with that one ha core bonus

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:25 PM

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yeah no that is fair, I have been looking at re-working that system for a while

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I haven't been urgent about it because it truly isn't that good lol

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it's kinda dead space in the license

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:26 PM

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yeah

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:26 PM

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arc dagger is seeing a rework too, that weapon was doing too much and too little at the same time

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:26 PM

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proned pissed me off

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most of the mechanics seem fine

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just wording

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:27 PM

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what is that on?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:27 PM

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mm2 zweihander

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jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:27 PM

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rocky hawk proned pissed me off

lol ok fair

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:27 PM

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i dont even wanna think about this

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:27 PM

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rocky hawk i dont even wanna think about this

YUP

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THAT SHIT GOT REWORKED LOL

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like 2 months ago

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this is it now

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:28 PM

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i love the plato following flight rules while not flying

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thats fun

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:28 PM

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I think you might have an old plato version?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:28 PM

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i hvae the 1.0

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:28 PM

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It does still do that

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:29 PM

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rocky hawk i hvae the 1.0

oh god yeah lol the systems of 1.0 were rough looking back

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:29 PM

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a system that references the mech in the liscence

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but can be taken by other mechs

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:29 PM

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yes, that has been fixed lol

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 5:29 PM

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For the leoleth, what is the use case for zip engine? Most movement that ive seen tends to be normal, boost, or teleportation systems. Is that intended to be taken with other licenses?

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:29 PM

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just use this one lol

📎 wip-freistride-chassisworks__test_1.280.lcp

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:30 PM

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unkempt iron For the leoleth, what is the use case for zip engine? Most movement that ive see...

hunter and skirmisher is the biggest use case

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as an HA heavy mounter, it loves to be able to OC double skirmish, and with the trait that allows it to skirmish AGAIN, it really likes skirmisher and zip engine makes that better

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:31 PM

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unkempt iron For the leoleth, what is the use case for zip engine? Most movement that ive see...

skirmisher, hunter are main ones, but it has a bunch of weird other interactions

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pankrati

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nelson movement

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:31 PM

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nelson...

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that one seems dubious lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:31 PM

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subutai jugernaut

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its actually not that good on nelson because you just ping yourself each time

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 5:31 PM

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God teleporting nelson

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:31 PM

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rocky hawk its actually not that good on nelson because you just ping yourself each time

yes lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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and when you are doing it 4 times a turn it hurts

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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that is what I mean by dubious

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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ah lmao

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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Yeah but just for the pure cartoony goof of it

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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green tide, hazard core

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puppet systems

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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Zip type engine is honestly bordering on too strong IMO lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:32 PM

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i wouldnt say that either

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:33 PM

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1 damage is not much and there are lots of way to make that movement big and just basically be mourning cloak active'd

unkempt iron Apr 4, 2026, 5:33 PM

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Its strong, it just has no usage with the systems of the leoleth. It works with talents and outside licenses for sure

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:33 PM

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the main benefits of treating mvoement like telportation is ignoring reactions

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which many of the things that trigger it already do

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:34 PM

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unkempt iron Its strong, it just has no usage with the systems of the leoleth. It works with ...

licenses sytems not interacting with other license systems is pretty typical

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:34 PM

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its meant for skirmisher on the frame

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the whole, weird movement theme

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:34 PM

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jolly gorge licenses sytems not interacting with other license systems is pretty typical

the only time they do is if they interact with the mech, and agree on the way they do it

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but none of manticore's license really interacts with lightning gen

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:34 PM

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jolly gorge 1 damage is not much and there are lots of way to make that movement big and jus...

im currious what you are thinking its busted with

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:35 PM

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rocky hawk im currious what you are thinking its busted with

I think it is a little too good with skirmisher, for the sole sake of being universally immune to overwatch at the cost of 2 SP and 1 damage

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:35 PM

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skirmisher already does that

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you ignore reactions and such already

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:35 PM

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I have gone mad

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yes you do

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 PM

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the secret is that its kind of lowkey dogshit

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 PM

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well

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it's map dependent

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 PM

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situational weird dogshit is my favorite

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 PM

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it allows you to climb VERY effectively

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 PM

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it does!

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:36 PM

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like if there's a big wall teleporting is busted as a whole

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:37 PM

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same with flight

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but you know, that is the point of the abilities so

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:37 PM

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well no because flight you have to take the movement to go over it

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:37 PM

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rocky hawk but you know, that is the point of the abilities so

well

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:37 PM

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jolly gorge well no because flight you have to take the movement to go over it

a lot less than climbing

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cant say ive seen many climbing centric maps though

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:38 PM

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it can allow you to start your turn out of someone's LOS, full damage barrage, OC skirmish, 1 AP, now you cant see me again

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to be fair tho, they're probably just dead

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any well built striker doing a barrage and an OC skirmish is doing minimum 2 structures

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:39 PM

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plus with skirmisher you can almost always get the same benefit

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:39 PM

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wel

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no, not the LOS breaking thing

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you can get to cover probably but you cant break LOS almost ever

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:39 PM

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you absolutely can

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6 movement? and any leftover base movement

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:40 PM

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oh yes

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I mean just with the skirmisher alone, in case you needed that movement to get to the enemy, or whatever other purpose

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but ye I am silly I think it's not OP

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:40 PM

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the moral of the story is that skirmisher is crazy good

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:40 PM

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truth nuke

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the moralest of the story is that OC skirmisher heavy spam is just optimal and nothing actually competes

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:41 PM

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and stort is nuts

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:42 PM

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jolly gorge the moralest of the story is that OC skirmisher heavy spam is just optimal and n...

I had a gandiva missile lycan in the campaign I GM'd last

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heavy gunner, oc build, the whole thing

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I am now of the opinion gandiva missiles are genuinely optimal on lycan

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good heavy CQB's are very very hard to find

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:43 PM

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also encounter deisgn is a huge part of balance and most people just make kille verything missions

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:43 PM

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lol yeah true, but even with objectives, killing the guy is not a bad choice

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and also OC heavy skirmish builds have a spare quick on their turn to play the objective

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or just use heavy gunner like everyone else

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:44 PM

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ive had a couple games wehre the objective was complex enough that just killing things wasnt gonna work

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killing was still needed but

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it made controllers feel way more impactful

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:45 PM

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the outrun sitrep from maximum threat is pretty good at that, I've run it a few times

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:45 PM

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rocky hawk it made controllers feel way more impactful

WOAH

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controllers dont feel impactful?

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controllers are so fucking broken lol

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stuncrown is ending turns in a burst 3 lol

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heavy gunner is a quick action to turn off 2 melees

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:46 PM

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more so than strikers

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:47 PM

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IMO at least the only way to make a team of only strikers and no controllers work is just amber phantom active looping and wiping the map before anyone goes

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:47 PM

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basically every mech is broken in some way

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:47 PM

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jolly gorge IMO at least the only way to make a team of only strikers and no controllers wor...

truly a thing that is in the game

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:47 PM

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i have never seen a group that wanted to have multipul of the same frame

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:47 PM

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same, no one does, but the game cracks if you do lol

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and to be fair, the vast majority of mechs are throwing to have more than one of

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we do not want 2 calibans

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amber phantom active is the exception tho

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:49 PM

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jolly gorge just use this one lol

if you ever have any major feedback tho, please lmk

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wording errors plague me more than others to be fair, so if you spot them I can fix them

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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ill let you know

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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what did you think about the quality as a whole?

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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same goes for you too

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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the 1.0 was definitely rough around the edges

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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i liked the ideas a lot, many of the concepts were very unique

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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some systems are rather stupid, and not in the strong or fun way, but they either have been or are being reworked

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:51 PM

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expanded on some new areas

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i think that can be good and bad based on how well they are executed but they felt very careful

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:52 PM

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that is very good to hear

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I think the mechs are absolutely the strong suite of it

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the licenses are hit or miss but we gettin there

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I am very keen on not making something that doesnt truly add anything unique to the game, and is just something I think is cool

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I make a lot of effort to ensure that sartre is just completely different to tortuga as an overwatching CQB attacker, or that cassin is just completely different to sunzi as a source of allied speed

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:55 PM

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rocky hawk same goes for you too

dw lol if I see some silly shit I will let you know

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one of my buddies is running a campaign and he is allowing sixth voice, so anything that is broken will be spotted and abused on sight

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like black mountain lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:56 PM

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how do you feel about current state black mountain

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with the uh

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2/round limit

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still busted?

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:57 PM

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havent played it with the changes, I'm moving to a cassin cuz it's better for our new team comp, but it all sounded liek very good changes

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:57 PM

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rocky hawk still busted?

it's still a busted trait yeah but busted traits are ok

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I think it is massively more reasonable

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I think it's busted in the same way that like, lock/kill subsystem is busted

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that shit crazy, but like it isnt breaking the game or outright replacing someone else's existence

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cough cough empakaii

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 5:59 PM

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yeah...

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normal emperor too

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 5:59 PM

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normal emperor is very strong

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but it doesnt replace anyone

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which is the true issue of strength. If it's cracked but isnt replacing anything, it's just a new avenue of power that is really good, that's much better than making someone/something obsolete by being better than them at their own job

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which is what black mountain was before IMO

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but ye I think it's way way more reasonable now

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still a fierce competitor to emperor because it doesnt have to attack to do its thing, which allows it to threaten orator, field analyst, etc.

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there is a possibility that we use a vauban, we currently have an iskander, and if the iskander player spots something silly about that mech we will try it

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:04 PM

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@forest trail

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vauban mentioned

forest trail Apr 4, 2026, 6:05 PM

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jolly gorge there is a possibility that we use a vauban, we currently have an iskander, and ...

vauban is cracked beyond plausibility btw

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if you could pin a word to the vauban as a calling card

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its
Absolute

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:12 PM

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forest trail vauban is cracked beyond plausibility btw

yeah it does seem a little strong

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:13 PM

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does it?

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:13 PM

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I cant fully tell the rammifications of the passive until I have played it

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I dont think it's OP?

forest trail Apr 4, 2026, 6:14 PM

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its not overpowered, its simply amazing

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:14 PM

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gravity well is not super impressive or anything, sap is great, solfotaric breach is really good

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Honestly my main concern is that it's a heavy mounter with a functional bonus d6

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like it's not even the CC that makes me think it's too strong lol

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it's just that you can very easily make it into a heavy mounter with a bonus d6 as an HA mech so you can OC loop the heavy and use your spare quick to put people in air jail or create difficult terrain

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which is definitely approaching too much

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playing the mech in the way it is absolutely not intended to be played, I think is optimal and potentially where it is too strong lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:16 PM

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i cant remove the heavy, so is breach just too good? or is crazy optimizing not something to balance around

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:17 PM

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oh ye dont remove the heavy

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lol gravity gun is there

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:17 PM

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rocky hawk i cant remove the heavy, so is breach just too good? or is crazy optimizing not ...

well to be fair, giving heavy mounters bonus d6's is not entirely unheard of, caliban gets one

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honestly, maybe find a hit to the base stats

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:18 PM

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jolly gorge well to be fair, giving heavy mounters bonus d6's is not entirely unheard of, ca...

if you dont want it to be used as a DPSer then you would have to change this tho lol

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cuz rn it is a striker controller IMO

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:19 PM

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honestly just giving it that typing is a good idea

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:19 PM

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I think one of its stats should go down

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heat cant, obviously it's HA

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:20 PM

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honestly, maybe sensors

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to 8

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:20 PM

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sensors to 8 and then a negative tech is a reasonable thing to do, my only hold up on that is now we're just giving it caliban's weakness

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so now we're a striker controller with a heavy mount and a bonus d6 with caliban's weakness

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:20 PM

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i dont think many people are gonna be comparing the two directly

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:20 PM

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lol I mean fair

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:20 PM

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cause vauban actually CARES about sensor range

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:21 PM

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I have a very strange and excessive fear of getting even remotely close to mechs that already exist in the game

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:21 PM

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rocky hawk cause vauban actually CARES about sensor range

yeah if you want to force it to be up close to the frontline, sensor hit is fair

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:22 PM

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ill give it a -1 tech but thats rarely gonna come up

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:22 PM

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and honestly, I would consider making it speed 3 and thinking of a trait that makes it fast in difficult terrain

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it ignores difficult terrain, and counts as speed 6 in it or smth idk

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:22 PM

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i actually really wanted to have it not ignore difficult terrain

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:22 PM

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ok fair

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:22 PM

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to punish just spamming mastication

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:22 PM

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reasonable

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:23 PM

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rocky hawk to punish just spamming mastication

it does cost 1 sp to solve this problem

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to be fair lol

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:23 PM

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but all your allies too

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:23 PM

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jolly gorge it does cost 1 sp to solve this problem

and a liscence level

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:23 PM

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rocky hawk but all your allies too

oh yeah well, making it ignoree difficult terrain doesnt make its allies not

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:23 PM

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rocky hawk and a liscence level

true

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but ye if that was the vision then dont change that

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I did have an idea for a mech that flips difficult terrain, and uses it as soft cover that it can hide in, and counts as speed 6 in it, but someone had already made that, the IPS-N Bayou

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 6:27 PM

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oh i think ive seen that one

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 6:27 PM

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it was cool

mighty smelt Apr 4, 2026, 7:56 PM

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By complete coincidence I was checking in on the itch page only to see that it just got updated. Super exciting! Sixth Voice is some of the only true homebrew content we use at our table so I really can't stress how pumped I am to get more of it.
Is there a complete list of changes for V2 I can read anywhere by chance? I'd like to see the minutia of what's changed.

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:56 PM

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almost every frame, no change log alas, too much

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if you have specific frames you care about though i can probalby give a run donw

mighty smelt Apr 4, 2026, 7:57 PM

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All good, I understand. I can manage I'm sure.

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Very sad to see the Gloire lose its free ram, though apparently that has been the case for a while!! 😭

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 7:58 PM

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"The Nagas' Smart weapons..." unplayable!!!

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minor apostrophe error

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explode

rocky hawk Apr 4, 2026, 7:58 PM

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i dont think i even vaugly understand how to use apostrophes

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 7:58 PM

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lmao

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hey listen my 1.0 release had like, EVERY SINGLE ITS was wrong

mighty smelt Apr 4, 2026, 7:59 PM

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jolly gorge "The Nagas' Smart weapons..." unplayable!!!

It is referring to all Nagas, collectively, obviously

jolly gorge Apr 4, 2026, 7:59 PM

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I used it's when it shoulda been its everywhere

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true

random bloom Apr 4, 2026, 8:39 PM

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rocky hawk

You love to see it.

unkempt iron Apr 5, 2026, 3:11 PM

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Does the gloire have to move the full 5 spaces with rapid rush down or can it stop sooner when it hits a wall or target

rocky hawk Apr 5, 2026, 4:54 PM

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it stops

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it can actually stop without hitting anything

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move isnt madatory

coral dragon Apr 5, 2026, 6:13 PM

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I do wish there was some way to get other smart melee weapons for the Naga

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Most other smart weapons are ranged

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It's only other option is the nanowhip on balor - which is ALSO heavy

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Like all of its abilities synergize with ranged smart weapons too so it's not that big a deal

But like it's thematic design and vision very much wants it to be using those smart melee weapons

rocky hawk Apr 5, 2026, 6:16 PM

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you can nanocomp whatever youd like

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and it works fine with ranged weapons

coral dragon Apr 5, 2026, 6:17 PM

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coral dragon Like all of its abilities synergize with ranged smart weapons too so it's not th...

Thats what i just said!

rocky hawk Apr 5, 2026, 6:18 PM

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the issue is that if i give it a way to smartify weapons

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im just remaking nanocomp

coral dragon Apr 5, 2026, 6:18 PM

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Wait nanocomp nanocomp

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Where is nanocomp

rocky hawk Apr 5, 2026, 6:18 PM

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balor 2

coral dragon Apr 5, 2026, 6:19 PM

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OH NANOCOMPOSITE

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man I don't know why my brain is so bad with like short hands and acronyms sorry that's on me

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I completely forgot about nano composite

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Never mind I take everything back Naga loves Balor

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Balor and Naga should makeout, Yuri style

rocky hawk Apr 5, 2026, 6:19 PM

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they totally should

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ill get yellow right on that

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@forest trail have we considered the mech making out?

coral dragon Apr 5, 2026, 6:21 PM

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Toxic yuri

He/Him or He/She butch lesbian
X
She/It/They genderqueer lesbian

Hit send

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Do you see the vision

rocky hawk Apr 5, 2026, 6:21 PM

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like 70% of the mechs are yuri bait

coral dragon Apr 5, 2026, 6:22 PM

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Myconid is their roommate

timber nacelle Apr 5, 2026, 6:23 PM

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I have long believed that the slaugh and leoleth are dating

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