Titanfall 2

[old whale]

Protocol 3: Protect the Pilot.net

@calm cedar @edgy sequoia @hard tartan

[hard tartan]

ye

[rough dust]

yippee

[old whale]

@blazing egret

[vagrant geyser]

@topaz rain

[calm cedar]

@pallid schooner @thin bobcat for if yall want to play another time

[old whale]

Invite sent again

Also, what difficulty do we all want?

[blazing egret]

probably easy or medium for the first go

[rough dust]

we're thoroughly mid so nothing too wild but we're good with whatever for the most part

[hard tartan]

okay send the invite one more time, I think I fixed it

[old whale]

Done, done

Ok, medium it is

[hard tartan]

there it goes

[old whale]

@loud cargo

[loud cargo]

Yep

[edgy sequoia]

wonder if it's foolish to queue for pvp in this day and age

the rust is real

[hard tartan]

This is the network

[blazing egret]

much funs

[rough dust]

gonna drop out for tonight but thanks for playin yall

def wanna do more titanfall with folks here sometime

[blazing egret]

[edgy sequoia]

got a new kraber gen 😌

forgot how fun it is to zoom around and shoot peeps

[hard tartan]

as far as I can tell

[blazing egret]

i wan play monarch next time doe

[hard tartan]

grunts don't count but reaper kills and titan kills/assists do

[old whale]

The Join network button doesn't work?

[hard tartan]

that's odd

I know it's an open network

can always create a 2nd one tho

[simple pond]

Is this for Frontier defense?

[hard tartan]

for tf2 in general

FD included

[edgy sequoia]

in FD, i think grunts/spectres give like 0.25 or 0.5 xp, idr what reapers give

for the other MP modes I believe it's only players/titans

[hard tartan]

they might give player xp but they weren't giving me gun xp IIRC

but then again not 100% sure

[simple pond]

ahh

I'd love to return to frontier defense

I've forgotten so much by now but I did want to complete the hardest difficulty of FD one day

[edgy sequoia]

https://medal.tv/games/titanfall-2/clips/kfQqag4oOuL8EbHYx

never punished

even rewarded

[old whale]

A thought i have had

What sorta round does the Kraber use?

[simple pond]

allegedly .57-cal

with 14.5mm rounds

though

in apex i think it's just a normal .50 cal with 12

[old whale]

Why would you not just use an M82, then?

Higher capacity, more weildy

[hard tartan]

video game

[hard tartan]

took me a second to see the ricochet

I was like "I don't see the kill tag wtf"

[edgy sequoia]

:3

[old whale]

How sweaty can TF2 MP get?

[edgy sequoia]

https://medal.tv/games/titanfall-2/clips/1BVOQfK253AxlU/d1337UjW1i3T?invite=cr-MSx0M3MsMTgwOTUwMTQ1LA

i've got this one from... 1.5 years ago wow

[old whale]

[edgy sequoia]

pretty sweaty at times if you have a high level with an smg just beaming you

[old whale]

That's Kraber and a prayer time?

[edgy sequoia]

or a really good kraber player

[edgy sequoia]

?

[old whale]

If the high-level is beaming, fire blindly

[hard tartan]

define sweaty

like with the way the game works

unless someone is abusing titan exploits, they are at best only playing meta

[old whale]

How high is the skill ceiling, I suppose

[hard tartan]

low

[edgy sequoia]

depends on weapon

[hard tartan]

so basically

you have two situations

average player skill situations

[old whale]

I feel the movement ceiling is hiiigh

[hard tartan]

where the skill ceiling is low

because there's only so much you can control

there's the uncontrollable situations

where you can argue if you read someone like a fighting game

or abuse spawns

or abuse non-normal mechanics

you can do things sometimes

the guns with the highest uncontrollable skill ceiling are the grenadier weapons

because they usually require enemies to be in specific positionings

of course you might actually be able to use cold war, land all four shots, and kill a pilot in one burst

but I'm only using my experience of getting the gun to g10

where at best I've hit like 2/4 or maybe 3/4 shots and it gets them to about half

but if I am right and it has a capped direct damage

then you have to do splash damage, which requires the player be next to something you can shoot

[old whale]

The floor, say

[hard tartan]

this is largely uncontrollable because there's a lot of mechanics you can use to prevent that from happening

phase shift, grapple, mid-air jet, double jump, etc, etc

[old whale]

True

I forgot half of those are things

(pulse dart, my beloved)

[hard tartan]

outside of that skill largely depends on projectiles vs hitscan

and how you feel about predicting opponents at all

because you can argue that slow travel time weapons like EPG take more skill than fast travel time weapons like Kraber

where both guns kill on direct shot but EPG can kill off two splash damage shots

most of the hitscan weapons are largely easy to use

and usually SMGs are strongest because they have the most versatility and have easy control for most situations

but guns like spitfire massively outclass them if you're talking about standing still and firing

[edgy sequoia]

smgs can be used at range too, which makes them really strong 😩

tap fire alternator 😔

[old whale]

Spitfire is fun, yes

[hard tartan]

yus

SMGs have silly amounts of range for what they are

My expectation is

if you use an SMG

you should not lose to the average smart pistol user

cost most smart pistol users don't actually use the smart pistol optimally

[old whale]

Wait

[hard tartan]

they just wait for the lock-on

[old whale]

Smart pistol.is in the MP?

[hard tartan]

yes

it's a boost

that's how they made it more balanced

cause now you don't get it as a free loadout weapon

which IMO is a shame

and there were plenty of ways to make it balanced without making it unfun

I like frothy's method the best

(where to be fair, most peoople have not made suggestions to balancing it for normal loadout use)

his suggestion was

the closer the enemy pilot is to the center reticle

the faster it locks on

and the further away it is

the slower it locks on

where currently, as long as they are in the SP range it goes at the same speed

[old whale]

Could just make it like the LOK from DRG

[hard tartan]

how does that work?

[old whale]

Hold fire to get locks, release to dump

[hard tartan]

you can but Idk how that changes balance

cause you can just

hold down M1 instead of it auto locking

like the current optimal way to use it is to treat it like the p2020

and let the auto lockon give you free bonus damage

[edgy sequoia]

yeah...

[old whale]

There is also a square that locks can only happen in

[hard tartan]

that's how it works currently ye

if you reduce the square to a smaller size then it makes the gun less fun

cause it kinda defeats the purpose

if you give the current tf2 modding scene another decade they might figure out how to do custom guns all the way through and then you can test out different ideas

[old whale]

I see
Lok let's you shrink the square, to buff the range of locks

[hard tartan]

but for now it's not that far along and has massive flaws

[hard tartan]

yeah there's no reason for that

just do frothy's suggestion and have it based on distance from center reticle

I mean maybe as an ads alternative

but like

[old whale]

Yeah, fair

[hard tartan]

it's still really binary

[old whale]

Could just have it like it is in campaign

OHKO everything

[hard tartan]

that would make it op as a boost

and devs would definitely nerf it after the game launched

[old whale]

Including titans

It is the titan

[hard tartan]

that's just legion overcore

the main issue of it for most people is they think it's no skill

which like, it is, to a point IMO

IMO it's more fun to use than smgs

[edgy sequoia]

but a good smg player will win

[hard tartan]

yes

which is why it's a bit of a frustrating spot

cause arguably with that logic, it shouldn't really have to be a boost weapon

but ultimately the devs moved it to a boost cause a lot of people thought it was unfair in titanfall 1

and I can't really disagree

I just wish they let it stay as a free pilot weapon

or heck

even as a tactical replacement

because then you're giving up a major part of pilot tool kit to replace your primary

ultimately tho

play how you want to

just don't grief teammates lol

the list is long for what people complain about in titanfall 2

[edgy sequoia]

real

[hard tartan]

Ronin, Tone, Monarch, SP, Spitfire, CAR (all SMGs), A-Wall

I've had people complain about me using secondaries before lol

people compliment EPG and Cold War tho

and I'm just like "I hate these guns lmao"

[edgy sequoia]

and sometimes kraber

[hard tartan]

yeah sometimes

[old whale]

Kraber is very funny

[hard tartan]

usually with kraber it's more for landing shots

than just using it like it sometimes is with the EPG and Cold War

[edgy sequoia]

i only really get cagey when some high level player is just beaming people with smg and not letting them have fun

yeye

[hard tartan]

this doesn't bother me thaaaat much usually

[old whale]

Kraber is the ultimate coin flip gun

[hard tartan]

it's usually more depending on if they do this and then do some titan meta-y stuff

[edgy sequoia]

i just kinda sigh and roll my eyes and hope I don't get them in the next match

it's not the biggest deal, i can sometimes get some kills

[hard tartan]

like grapple plus smg? eh it's w/e
stim + smg? I think it's a bit boring and I wish it wasn't that strong

SMG + speedblitzing ronin first drop and then swapping to northstar or some other sweaty titan mid-late game? Yes you're upsetting me

[edgy sequoia]

mhmm

[old whale]

Northstar is fun

Especially as a brawler

[hard tartan]

Idk what you mean by brawler

but usually people that sweat with northstar do full sniping playstyle

which is sooo annoying

but again it usually doesn't bother me

[edgy sequoia]

i don't really know much about the titan side of things anymore

[hard tartan]

just it does when I see them swap from ronin as first drop

without assuming exploits most titans aren't that bad

the worst is first drop ronin

cause it's anti pilot

but usually past that most titans are bearable with average gameplay

[old whale]

I'm the guy who uses DMRs in CQB

[hard tartan]

it's just if you use ronin first drop, and then swap to a different titan that is considered a bit more high-output like northstar, monarch, or tone, you're really trying

or try to swap back to ronin with no titans around

[old whale]

Hah

[hard tartan]

monarch is annoying cause it's a growing fireball

you can put it out now

and it sucks to put it out

or you can put it out later where it sucks more

[old whale]

Oooh

I might like Monarch

[hard tartan]

tone is just annoying cause tone, northstar is annoying cause someone who's really good at northstar that is playing dedicated sniping is very hard to properly catch and stop

but also like

normal titan gameplay you have 6 pilots with free anti-titan weapons

so they will go down, eventually

usually what happens is people just don't use the AT weapons or ignore titans

and they get to just do what they want

and then they get another titan

and then another

and then suddenly they have 4 titans while no one on your team has a titan because they don't use their AT weapons and then your team gets one but oops it dies immediately to four titans

[old whale]

Beam Rifle slaps to deal with this

[hard tartan]

beam rifle is OP

I kinda wish the other AT weapons were better

but fwiw beam rifle gets outclasses by thunderbolt on multi-titan hits

[old whale]

Beam Rifle gave me top damage that last round

[hard tartan]

yeah

in raw DPS beam rifle is the best AT weapon in the game

thunderbolt is just a solid fire and forget weapon that has AOE

[old whale]

Oh, qith Aegis level

Are the perks unlocks, or do they stack?

[edgy sequoia]

thunderbolt is fun because you can boop it then hide

equippables

up to 2 slots per weapon?

[hard tartan]

I think they're unlock until max aegis rank where you can use all of them at once

[old whale]

I see

[hard tartan]

wait do you mean aegis titan kit

[old whale]

Yeah

[hard tartan]

cause if so, then yeah I think those you can choose 1 or 2 but then max level can use all of them (I might have misunderstood what it said)

also to be clear

aegis ranks do nothing in MP

err

pvp

they used to give your titan an armband

I don't think they do anymore IIRC

[hard tartan]

wonder if I should record the dumb epg memes

[old whale]

Any pilots up for the challenge?

[simple pond]

Challenge?

[old whale]

Of combat

[hard tartan]

if you give me a bit I'll be down for some pvp matches sure

[simple pond]

ah

[hard tartan]

oki

[old whale]

Give me 20, sorry

[old whale]

Still up?

[hard tartan]

yes

send inv through network

[old whale]

What was your ID again?

[hard tartan]

potatowolf420

[old whale]

And how do I invite...

[hard tartan]

how'd you invite last time?

[old whale]

Through EA

[hard tartan]

ah gotcha

invite that way then

[old whale]

Sent

[hard tartan]

oh here

[old whale]

Match search begun

[hard tartan]

I'm not in a lobby with you

I'm sending the invite through the network

let me know when you're ready to accept the invite

[old whale]

Not seeing it?

But ready

[hard tartan]

uhhhh, you try then

click invite network

[old whale]

There we go

There appears to be a 10s window

[hard tartan]

ok, try now

[old whale]

Did so thrice

[hard tartan]

okay instead try sending the invite through EA now

[old whale]

Done

[hard tartan]

try again

[old whale]

Again

[hard tartan]

send invite again

ea so buggy lol

[old whale]

Taaake 3

[hard tartan]

there it goes lol

[old whale]

Now to wait for match

...3h later

Should we switch to FD?

[hard tartan]

nah it takes time for a match to start sometimes

[old whale]

Define time?

[hard tartan]

20 min

[old whale]

I see

[hard tartan]

can always restart the search and see if that does it

or reduce it to only attrtion

[old whale]

Why would reducing the net increase chance to hit a game?

[edgy sequoia]

iirc having multiple modes selected tries to switch between the modes to find a match?

[old whale]

Icic

[hard tartan]

ye

I only have it set to pilots vs pilots and attrition usually

[edgy sequoia]

so if you just wanna get into a game when population is low then people usually just choose attrition (the most queued mode) and play

samesies reverb

[hard tartan]

I get games faster than I've gotten games in siege before

[edgy sequoia]

but i tried to queue for only pvp last week and it was bleak 😔 maybe on a sale

[hard tartan]

Idk how it does it but like

every once in awhile I'll get like 3 pilot v pilot matches in a row

and then it goes back to attrition

[old whale]

It is on sale rn

[edgy sequoia]

maybe the same peeps queuing

[edgy sequoia]

👀

[old whale]

Like 6 AUD on Steam

...it has been like 18 minutes

[hard tartan]

it happens

[edgy sequoia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shwdoPYmtPQ

short lil thing for anyone who wants to learn to schmove

[old whale]

I no want schmove

I want situational awareeness

[edgy sequoia]

then bryonato has a really good comprehensive guide, the first 10-20 mins are all you'll ever need for multiplayer and the back half is advanced/speedrun stuff

[edgy sequoia]

good luck

[old whale]

My inability to milisecond twitch to headshot when cornr rounded does not matter if I know to the millisecond when it will be

20-something now

I wish there was a range

As in a gunrange

To practice in

[hard tartan]

it did not pop

I am not hungry and will be eating food

maybe better luck the next time

[old whale]

Sure

Getting like 8 of us would be great

[hard tartan]

Wait alternator ttk is what with headshots?

[edgy sequoia]

yeah.

[rough dust]

w-what is it?

[hard tartan]

People complaining about CAR cause it's easy to use and Im looking at Alternator knowing the upper echelon of raw aimers some people cultivate and they'd easy clap with 40 kill games

I mean tbf that skill ceiling is high but woof

[edgy sequoia]

0.2s iirc?

car lags behind at 0.21s

i need to ask my friend for that spreadsheet again

[hard tartan]

And thats after the nerf it got

[rough dust]

guh

pilot combat isn't real

I don't believe it

[edgy sequoia]

keep it real.... keep it real...

yeah smgs are kinda good

which is great if you're learning the game

[edgy sequoia]

i do think car is easy to use and very good for new-high mid tier players, until you learn to tap fire alternator for near-perfect hipfire accuracy

car is pretty good to spray with

[rough dust]

das auto...

wait I just realized people might not know this

[hard tartan]

I specifically avoided smgs for g10 weapons

[rough dust]

Volkswagen's like motto? slogan ig? is just "das auto" which literally translates to "the car"

[hard tartan]

I have r97 at highest when I just didnt care

[rough dust]

their motto is just The Car

[hard tartan]

But once I finish epg and softball Im going to swap to shotguns and then go and wrap up smgs

[edgy sequoia]

it might be peak

[edgy sequoia]

i have a few weapons left to get to g2

might do that for a break

but kraber calls to me....

[blazing egret]

Yeah the ttk are why I don't do pvp

[edgy sequoia]

thankfully most people in normal lobbies aren't playing meta

[simple pond]

which is why frontier defense is peak

[old whale]

Anyone down for some Frontiering?

[simple pond]

im out of town 😔

[old whale]

Fontier Defence, anyone?

[rough dust]

we'd be down for some yea

wouldnt it be fountier defence if you're playing?

[old whale]

It would be, yes

Lemme just boot it up

[thin bobcat]

il pop in too if thats ok :3

[rough dust]

nope not allowed :3

[thin bobcat]

waaaaah

[rough dust]

:>

[old whale]

Ok, lobby up

[rough dust]

it said the lobby was disbanded right as we joined

[old whale]

Try now?

[rough dust]

ok that time it just didnt do anything

gonna try restarting

[old whale]

I have you in my party?

[rough dust]

wait nvm you're so right I cant read

[old whale]

Hah

Ivy, what's your EA name?

[thin bobcat]

uhh

gimme a sec getting my game started still

[old whale]

Nw, nw

[thin bobcat]

"opowl" very old username

[old whale]

Invite sent

[thin bobcat]

can you try sending it again?

didnt see it

[old whale]

This is a freind req, because EA is a pile of rubbish, and i can't invite otherwise

[thin bobcat]

ah

i have no clue how this launcher works where do i accept friend requests

[old whale]

IDK

[thin bobcat]

got it :3

[old whale]

OK, waiting for The Button

Not showing up on my end, annoyingly

[thin bobcat]

the ea launcher is a perfectly functional app that always works flawlessly 👍

[old whale]

100%

I like to think the EA stands for Early Access

[thin bobcat]

its a good theory

it would explain some things

[old whale]

I'll do an "Invite network"

Might work easier

[thin bobcat]

maybe yeah

[old whale]

Did you see that invite?

[rough dust]

nope

[old whale]

Huh

Lemme reboot

Appartently Ivy is offline?

[thin bobcat]

this is my side

[old whale]

...Huh

[rough dust]

I love the ea app :D

[old whale]

Mine

[thin bobcat]

hm

[old whale]

Whyyyyy

[thin bobcat]

let me try relaunching from the ea app

rather than from steam

[rough dust]

our ea app is just not opening for some reason

even though titanfall is launching just fine

[old whale]

Does not open if the game is

[rough dust]

ah

how do you see stuff when you're ingame then

[old whale]

Maybe you host?

[rough dust]

we aren't friended with ivy on ea and we can't open the app without closing the game ig

[old whale]

Ah

Hmmmm

[rough dust]

gonna just close it, friend them, restart ig

[old whale]

You can add freind in game

Shift F1

[rough dust]

[thin bobcat]

do i show up as online now?

[old whale]

Nope

[rough dust]

she shows up as ingame for us

[thin bobcat]

think might of just showed up as offline cus it was righjt as the ea app was closing and titanfall was oppening

[rough dust]

gonna try hosting ig

invite sent

[old whale]

Theeeeere we go

[rough dust]

ngl I've never hosted before is it just find game for a private match

[old whale]

Find game, whatever

Privates don;t give progression, but whatever

[rough dust]

preferences on difficulty?

[old whale]

Mediumish

Now, to wait for one more person to search

[rough dust]

ah do you need exactly four

[old whale]

I think?

At least we have an estimated wait time

[old whale]

I see what you mean by "don't steal Monarch kills"

[rough dust]

what does monarch get from kills?

prob gonna skedaddle for now, gettin kinda eepy

fun playin tho

[thin bobcat]

also gonna be heading off now

[rough dust]

ronin is a very whimsical titan

[old whale]

Alt charge

More alts = more better

[hard tartan]

alt?

monarch battery in pvp is important, in co-op it's not good because animation takes so long

you get better charge with just dealing damage

plus once you unlock the recharge smoke you can just tank everything

[rough dust]

oh I didn't know that kills specifically got you more

Fount of All Niche Knowledge ↩️

[Reply to:](#1370534184908754944 message) Alt charge

[old whale]

Ult, sorry

Progression

[hard tartan]

ye it's not that good in frontier defense

cause once you hit upgrade 3 you can't upgrade anymore

[old whale]

Oh, I see

[hard tartan]

but tbf this is assuming you have aegis ranks unlocked

if not then the more viable build is like

healing teammates or spam rockets

but once you get the first aegis unlock you just drop smoke ontop of enemy, you gain shield in it and you can tank

[edgy sequoia]

from executions, you get a battery

so full shields and a lil health + 20% meter or something

if you have the correct execution equipped

[rough dust]

oh I thought that was only with a specific passive

[hard tartan]

it's a specific utility or something you select

it changes the execution to the battery thief one

[rough dust]

gotcha

[edgy sequoia]

oh yeah sorry, you're right

[edgy sequoia]

yeye

I'm washed

[old whale]

Anyone down to Titan?

[old whale]

Frontier Defence, anybody?

[old whale]

Anyone down to TF?

[uneven matrix]

Im a bit busy at the moment but soon ill try downloading it again and then im down to play :)

[tardy isle]

just replayed titanfall 2 again...

i cri evrtim :(

i cant believe we r still never getting tf3....

the campaign is so fucking good its just sad how short and linear it is

when i wanna explore the beautifully crafted maps they made with the cool fun game mechanics...

it reminds me a lot of 2014's ratchet and clank into the nexus in its platforming stuff and also being way too short

they couldve done so much more but....

not to beat a bloody horse-shaped pulp....

[weary relic]

Big discount, it seems
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1237970/Titanfall_2/

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Titanfall® 2

Call down your Titan and get ready for an exhilarating first-person shooter experience in Titanfall® 2! The sequel introduces a new single player campaign that explores the bond between Pilot and Titan. Or blast your way through an even more innovative and intense multiplayer experience - featuring 6 new Titans, deadly new Pilot abilities, ex…

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$2.99

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243440

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[weary relic]

Imo the linearity really fits with "fuck, everyone is dead, Protocol 2: uphold the mission, we gotta go-Go-GO!", and that linearity also means that there's a lot less perspectives and close-up details to worry about - easier to craft and polish this as a smaller more guided and focused experience, easier to make stuff varied and unique when there's less stuff to make