I'm a Lamenters fangirl so i have immunity
#Space Marine 2
vestal cedar
copper swallow
I went back to Lv 1 Assault with all standard issue weapons and played on Standard
the drop between 2 and 3 is real, it felt easy-ish even with all scrub tier weapons
(I'm used to playing 4 with purple/gold weapons at the moment)
vestal cedar
I picked the sorriest most sopping wet most tortured goobers ever to back
copper swallow
Based
sly shore
I hope we get ||Necrons|| sometime.
copper swallow
It does feel like most guns are tickling Warriors and Rubrics at high levels lol
grand lantern
Honestly Grayfax has been growing on me as I read more stuff with her in it
copper swallow
ok, at least they have the decency to flinch when I hit em with meltas
vestal cedar
Melta goated
copper swallow
I liked Lion in the book where he came back, but I haven't read the 30k books and I hear he's kind of a dick back then
vestal cedar
I'm waiting for Dark Imperium to arrive at my local Library
I'm very interested in Rowboat and his Ultradepression™️ so i thought i'd read a book with him in it
sly shore
Bring back the Valhallan Ice Warriors!
woven vigil
I liked Lion in the book where he came back, but I haven't read the 30k books an...
huge dick who doesnt fucking TELL PEOPLE ANYTHING
Lions main flaw was he constantly kept important information or his own mistakes to himself and never tried to inform others
he was too proud and too willing to try to bear all burdens by his might alone
his sons are very much like him in heresy era
obsessed with trying to discretely clean up your mistakes for the sake of honor but NOT LETTING ANYONE KNOW
it gets to the point where The Best Boys get really pissed at him for never giving them critical information and trying to cover up his own fuckups caused by not telling anyone anything
Man Guilliman and Sanguinius were the ultimate duo
the mind and the heart
but Lion nowadays has developed a healthy sense of humility and forgiveness, both for himself and others, and has a much more mature sense of honor
the death of Sanguinius hit him REALLY hard and he's had 10,000 years to sleep on it
proper cosmos
He learned it from dad
woven vigil
the emperors overbearing discretion
vestal cedar
huge dick who doesnt fucking TELL PEOPLE ANYTHING
Damn that apple didn't even fall from the tree lmao
vestal cedar
the death of Sanguinius hit him REALLY hard and he's had 10,000 years to sleep o...
The rock that makes you old hit him hard
(Reference to this: https://youtu.be/40dlVYfXpsY?si=2lrMFKAInB8nLz9I)
woven vigil
they really hit it out of the park when making Lion old
everybody loves a good elderly knight
really looking forward to the next DA novel
arks of omen set up the stage and i want to see the Unforgiven and the Arisen reaction
Azrael and Lion
sly shore
Man why do I keep getting kicked from squads before I even load in?
brisk notch
my assault is a ultramarine, my assault and marksman are blood angels, my vanguard and Bullwark are Dark angel and my heavy is a Imperail fist. I don't know what it says about me
sly shore
All of mine are Crimson Fists.
brisk notch
based
sly shore
Which I think means I take my job very seriously but have awful luck.
brisk notch
yess verry much
can't wait fore the DA cosmetics and neo volkite gun (also not sure how to feel about blood angel hypôtetic cosmetics since the last mini arekinda mid
vestal cedar
Nah, i'd die in glory
pliant copper
I am currently debating what chapters to make my non-Bulwarks
brisk notch
i'd say iron hand for heavy, ravenguard for sniper
brisk notch
space wolf is also a good choice
pliant copper
Space Wolf is my Vanguard
Tactical: Carcharodons
Assault: White Scars
Vanguard: Space Wolves
Bulwark: Dark Angels
Sniper: Raven Guard
Heavy: Salamanders
Is I think what I'm gonna go with
Tho
hm
Carcharodon sniper sounds fun actually
since I'm actually usually playing closer range with a marksman carbine
silent mist
Oh right no flamers outside the campaign
tight perch
grand lantern
most lore accurate 40k game
primal venture
Wow
barren coral
The fire rates on the bolt weapons do not justify that damage per shot
woven vigil
yeah
the "low damage" portion of the damage spectrum is WAY too low
heavy bolt weapons doing less damage per shot than the bolt pistol
the plasmas are the biggest "wtf" to me
the heavy plasma is actually decent but the other two is just
wut
grand lantern
I knew the damage boost from charging was big but that's pretty big
woven vigil
1100%
grand lantern
I'm curious of how those numbers were computed
woven vigil
these are just the resultant numbers, the true specifics of hows and whys and such are still largely unknown
these are the RAW damage numbers
the instigator bolt carbine seems really good
grand lantern
It's credible
I've only used it under-tiered so I wasn't that wowed but running 2-3s with a white weapon isn't gonna look that good
So its probably really nice when appropriately used
woven vigil
looks like it would do well for dealing with ranged enemies
tame surge
I wonder what Gun Strikes change
because my plasma pistol clearly does a ton of damage with those
grand lantern
I have heard completely contradictory stuff on gun strikes
grand lantern
I have heard that they don't care about the weapon beyond an AoE burst or that they scale with it or etc
woven vigil
i think Saber vastly overestimates the power of automatic fire
tame surge
yeah, the bolt carbine sucks because of that. It has too much recoil to even put all the bullets into a headshot - but even if it did, this damage is still way too low.
woven vigil
DAM vs DPS goes pretty heavily in DAMs favor in shooters
tame surge
It has what, 30 bullets? so like... 60 damage, which is essentially a single melta rifle shot.
woven vigil
since time on target can never be guaranteed
tame surge
If it had a multiplier vs minoris though, it could have a niche.
grand lantern
I feel like there's some number missing for some of the automatics
woven vigil
then you run into ammo efficiency issues
tame surge
Bullet hose and remove all the chaff, then you switch to melee or the secondary for high single-target.
Yeah, okay.
grand lantern
My occulus shreds warriors way better than I'd assume based on those numbers
tame surge
But I think there could be a niche - not that it has that niche as it currently is implemented.
tame surge
My occulus shreds warriors way better than I'd assume based on those numbers
Perks and headshot modifiers, perhaps?
I imagine all of these have different headshot modifiers and stuff...
grand lantern
No I didn't have any relevant perks
But its possible its headshot bonuses
Just recoil control perks
the headshot multiplier seems very important haha
tame surge
Yeah, those probably help, but not that much based on this.
woven vigil
penetration isnt listed on this
tame surge
I remember one of the first things I read about damage in this game being that the TSons seem to have a very high headshot modifier.
woven vigil
penetration + range are still things we dont know how they interact with damage
and enemies have their own modifiers
its a whole load of spaghetti
grand lantern
I remember one of the first things I read about damage in this game being that t...
I think everything does
woven vigil
perhaps the occulus has good pen or range?
grand lantern
Like bolt pistol vs gaunts is tickles on body shots and always a 1-tap on headshot
tame surge
True, the plasma pistol has that too.
Still, unless the bolt carbine and auto bolt get some absurd benefits in some situation or aspect, these numbers don't seem terribly healthy.
grand lantern
I think those numbers are under selling them but I do think they probably need some boosts
woven vigil
yeah obviously we're missing parts of the whole equation
tame surge
Also, did this guy ensure same distance for his one bullet tests?
woven vigil
but this does reveal some small parts that could suggest tightening up the damage ranges might make the auto weapons more viable
tame surge
Clearly to enough that he didn't get a range of values for each gun, but now I'm wondering whether guns have optimal ranges...
tame surge
Like, bolt carbine does full damage out to X, then falloff.
But Las Fusil does reduced damage up to X, then full, then falloff beyond Y.
Or stuff like that. I do think that Saber overvalues rapid fire, and that not all guns are in a good spot now.
grand lantern
I haven't been that rigorous but I think most weapons have the same 20-30 meter damage cliff
tame surge
But also, it's not so bad that you can't at least play most guns, so these values also cannot be all of it.
grand lantern
with a few not having it
sly shore
Why does the heavy bolt rifle do less damage than a standard bolt rifle?
turbid nebula
Something something game balance
sly shore
wh
barren coral
we TF2 now
Damage fall off is a standard mechanic in most FPS games
grand lantern
ramp up is less common (though I don't think there's ramp up in SM2)
proper cosmos
I guess bolt weapons are rocket propelled
grand lantern
Yeah it'd make some sense
verbal mortarBOT
Yes they are. They're similar to the gyrojet. Basically they have a small sorta "kicker" charge to send it out from the gun, then when it's clear, a rocket goes off that sends it at high speeds.
woven vigil
theyre a hybrid projectile like an RPG
best of both worlds
perfect for what it was designed for: void combat
sly shore
You didn't know that?
They're launched via a conventional charge, after which a rocket engine kicks in. Standard bolts have an impact detonator and a small explosive payload.
vocal spade
Bolters are silly
They are basicly every balistic weapon at once
Afaik Heavy bolters even have a small coil gun in them for faster acceleration of the round
unkempt smelt
semi-automatic RPG that has full-auto variants
south swallow
bolters are designed aethetic first, function second
woven vigil
Tbh they're kinda really functional if you think in the context of fighting on the exterior of massive spaceships
Firing at targets well beyond normal ranges
turbid nebula
south swallow
Firing at targets well beyond normal ranges
yeah, but the actual bolter is an assault weapon meant for close to mid range; has no stock and its sights are a joke; that and the mass reactive bolts don't really offer a particular advantage against anything with hard armor
Also I have no idea how a bolter carries something like 30 rounds in a mag in some games, or even 15 in others
woven vigil
space marines dont need stocks or sights, the weapons targeter is built into their autosenses and their armor is designed for the bolters recoil
turbid nebula
That little stud above the barrel on the models is supposed to be the auto-sense targeter
The Imperium being the Imperium and DO NOT CORRUPT THE HOLY FORM, I'd imagine this is why the human-scale ones don't tend to have stocks either
Though the old Space Marine biker frames had bolters that had a skeleton stock
grand lantern
Not having 3 points of contact has always been a little weird for precision firing, though I imagine a stock for power armor would be really short for the huge armor
vestal cedar
You'd be bracing it against gods largest shoulder pad
grand lantern
We can elide how the bolter is largely its shape to evoke paramilitary submachine guns in the late British empire for the in universe explanation too
south swallow
im a fan as well, of the newer stuff
sly shore
I’m an Astra Militarum guy, so I don’t have as much stake in this. But the Primaris Marines are a really good update and still recognizable as Space Marines.
vestal cedar
i do like the Primaris
but i do also still prefer the firstborn armors
tbf my favourite stuff is like, moreso HH era shit
i like the more rugged functional armors
turbid nebula
I'm a sucker for Mk. IV
vestal cedar
massive fan of like, Iron Armor
this is just really perfect vibes for 40k to me
sort of raw and very rough looking
the Primaris armors are very refined and techie looking in comparison
turbid nebula
Yeah, it's great. The sort of brutal industrial look combined with medieval knight
worldly pebble
it does fit the space knight vibe down to a tee
though i will always be biased towards mk6/beakie helms
worldly pebble
ball armor
worldly pebble
ik the studs are there for reinforcement i'm just being glib :P
turbid nebula
I know, I was sort of going for like...
It's basically meant to evoke studded leather except as power armor
worldly pebble
that is... kinda interesting, that gives me an appreciation for it actually
turbid nebula
Which sort of makes sense because it's the 'apocalyptic' ad-hoc power armor mark
worldly pebble
it does also lead me to notice that primaris helms crib most from mk.4
turbid nebula
Yes
And I can fully agree with the Beaky Helm love
Also it amuses me that the design that became the 'classic' space marine MK. 7 one was originally associated with the World Eaters
worldly pebble
Which sort of makes sense because it's the 'apocalyptic' ad-hoc power armor mark
not the prettiest, but it worked. same goes for bolters, which i think kinda distills a lot of the imperium's supply issues.
why make bespoke death rays and hyper-advanced armor when a large "normal" gun and haphazardly bonded plates will do you fine enough?
worldly pebble
yup, those'd be the bespoke death rays-
turbid nebula
See also, why the lasgun is everywhere
worldly pebble
space kalashnikov logic
turbid nebula
It's cheap, simple, basically idiot-proof, and you can recharge the power packs by exposing them to sunlight for a few hours.
worldly pebble
it works, and is much easier to reproduce or iterate
vestal cedar
Yeah, it's great. The sort of brutal industrial look combined with medieval kni...
yeah i love just how like, rugged and bare it looks
it fits the "only war" and grimdark aesthetics a bit more to me than some of the more sleek armors
worldly pebble
also much harder to code them as good guys when they look like That
vestal cedar
for sure
there are some nicer chapters but like, they're still Space Marines
super soldiers created for war
genocide even
worldly pebble
isn't this like Great Crusade, unification-era armor?
turbid nebula
Yes
worldly pebble
bc if so, the goal is Explicitly genocide lol
turbid nebula
Everything up to MK. 4 is great crusade. MK. 5 is ad hoc during the heresy, and MK. 6 is was just starting to be introduced when it kicked off, and only really became the standard near the end of it.
worldly pebble
ah, gotcha gotcha
vestal cedar
bc if so, the goal is Explicitly genocide lol
absolutely
which i think the MKIII fits very well
it's not glamorous, it's not done up in any fancy way, this is power armor built to deliver death
south swallow
I don't think I have to choose one tbh, Firstborn or primaris, I like them both
proper cosmos
It literally is!
pliant copper
I like Primaris more but with the caveat I freely will steal bits from older styles like HH kits
viscid saddle
It's cheap, simple, basically idiot-proof, and you can recharge the power packs ...
Or you can just throw them in a fire. Just don't tell the Quartermasters or Commissar.
To be fair, Lasguns have a bad rep but they're really good.
A single shot from a Lasgun can blow the limb off of someone. They hit like a .50cal basically.
An infantry weapon with field replenishable ammo and a high ammo capacity, plus a simple design, that's also cheap and can hit like a .50cal? There's no wonder it became a standard for Guardsmen.
It's just... everything in WH40K is really strong so the weapons that are pretty decent in other universes just suck compared to everything else.
proper cosmos
The 50bmg thing goes around a lot but idk if there's any basis for it, however lasweapons are at least as powerful as modern assault rifles and have improvements over them in terms of logistics
viscid saddle
The one constant of 40k is that nothing is constant, I will state that first. But if we're talking about a standard infantry lasgun, nothing special like a Lucius-pattern, Recon Lasgun, or anything like that, then a lot of examples we see show them blowing limbs off and taking off heads. I think a good example for this is Darktide.
Last I checked (which it has been a few months since I've played) you can take a Cultist's head off in a single shot.
proper cosmos
I don't think 40k is consistent enough internally to make a comparison, and a horde shooter with scaling difficulty and weapon grade is not a reasonable place to take extrapolation from
viscid saddle
Honestly, that is fair.
proper cosmos
But an an accurate shot at an protected mortal will probably kill them
viscid saddle
Short of hitting a lower limb or glancing blow, they probably won't be in the fight anymore.
Unless they're a cultist or on some kind of drugs... then honestly, all bets are off.
proper cosmos
I mean the thigh is one of the worst places to take a serious wound
viscid saddle
All kinds of blood vessels there.
proper cosmos
It's also not clear what kind of wound would actually result from a short duration high intensity laser weapon on a human would inflict?
There are a few supposition but I don't think there's much in the way of tested hypotheses
viscid saddle
I would imagine something along the lines of maybe the water in their body being boiled, as well as high-intensity burns.
proper cosmos
I mean that's the problem, we have to imagine
Whereas we know pretty well how high energy kinetic impacts work
viscid saddle
Yeah, we don't really have laser weapons like that.
proper cosmos
We don't even know if they're practical!
The best we can really say is that they kill people but don't go through ceramite
Whateverthefuck ceramic actually is
grand lantern
The 50bmg thing goes around a lot but idk if there's any basis for it, however l...
There isn’t no basis for it but it’s one of their highest showings (outside of the fish explosion feat, which is an outlier) and they often come in at more of a normal rifle cartridge
turbid nebula
If it was .50 BMG level, it would be a credible threat to light vehicles, and it very much is not.
grand lantern
I’m struggling to remember a lot of examples of vehicles similar to irl light vehicles but I think the lasgun performed relatively well against them
south swallow
vestal cedar
HOLY FUCK
ayyy
they're adding a new difficulty
nice
oh fuck
that Dark Angels power sword
silent mist
HOLY FUCK
Tyranid Bio-Titan 🤝 Terminid Bile-Titan
(Or maybe more like the Spider-Man pointing meme)
uncut sedge
we're gonna need more dreadnoughts
vestal cedar
# HOW WE ARE KILLING THAT
Melta Rifle
vital summit
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/jBDTXQkiv7c
curse of the pharoah
grand lantern
# HOW WE ARE KILLING THAT
Massed tanks it looks like
tropic widget
Was it tanks? Or were those lascannon Tarantulas?
tropic widget
Scrolled back, they're some kind of bunkered las-cannon turrets.
grand lantern
Yeah
south swallow
red lascannons it would seem then
vestal cedar
# HOW WE ARE KILLING THAT
the real answer is of course, we gotta lock the fuck in
and bring a big bomb presumably
woven vigil
yeet calgar at it
granite zinc
Melta Rifle
True, circle strafe + melta
south swallow
hierophant struggling to hit 3 lil guys dodge rolling around its feet
getting shot by pistols in the eye
proper cosmos
I think the boring answer is an orbital strike
proper cosmos
We have seen a baneblade deployed, I guess
south swallow
assault marines with melta bombs
proper cosmos
So superheavies aren't off the table
sly shore
Big flyswatter.
vital summit
The misery of seeing the Raven Guard leaks vs the Joy of seeing the Raven guard leaks
stray smelt
Man
Plasma weapons are cool
pliant copper
plasma is very cool
sly shore
No, it’s not. That’s kind of the thing about plasma. It’s quite hot, actually!
pliant copper
lol
stray smelt
Funny
Though, I do feel like the game has a huge bias towards the energy weapons, with the ballistics being somewhat underwhelming
pliant copper
This may be down to what weapons I select but like
Meh?
I don't rly feel that much
woven vigil
optimism
pliant copper
<@&1281758630688981034> any spess marvins
modest oxide
Well looks like I shan't be playing Ruthless and above
vestal cedar
Limiting ammo
Pain
That's never a good way to do thing imo
It's not fun running around with no ammo, especially since they are also nerfing melee
timber mulch
Im gonna wait to see how limited it is myself, if its like 3 refills, fuck off, but i didnt really see a number so shrug
also
the fuck
tame surge
I already completely ran out of ammo as a heavy multiple times.
When Terminus enemies show up, it takes everything we have, and now they want more of that?
There'll be unkillable Neurothropes.
And the fencing change is really weird.
So fencing parries on frames 1-20, with some proportion being perfect parry, and balance on frames 10-30?
(numbers ass-pull for illustration)
timber mulch
Eh, fair
tame surge
So fencing parries on frames 1-20, with some proportion being perfect parry, and...
If this is the case, then you get some really weak weapons with the benefit of being able to pull out a last-second parry, balance weapons being ok (as before, but more worth it) and crucially - Block still sucks donkey balls.
timber mulch
But yeah im not against the ammo stuff myself, ive never particularly ran out of it, even as a heavy on ruthless so im more than a little alright seeing it in motion before judging
Thought i am curious why they didnt just go with a more obvious option first, just let more extremis spawn on ruthless/lethal at a time
viral patio
I'm not looking forward to fighting a bunch of Zoanthropes on Lethal though
the ammo changes combined with how often they spawn on the new difficulty...
tame surge
Tbh, I'm not sure I'll ever touch lethal at this rate.
This might force me out of playing ruthless, even.
grand lantern
Yeah I don’t care for the constant ammo pinch
I want to shoot huge space guns with a little reckless abandon
tame surge
Oh well. Hades 2 got a cool update, and HD2 is also still there with cool new stuff. Maybe it crashes a bit less and I'll play that for a while.
grand lantern
Not just carefully measure out every shot
tame surge
With the plasma guns you also only get very few charged shots already, which are the ones that actually do any damage (well, not on the heavy one, but pistol and rifle).
grand lantern
Yeah when I play - anyone really I just do bolt pistol headshots for minoris since it saves ammo
timber mulch
Honestly my biggest thought with the ammo changes even if im holding off on fully judging
it feels like one of those changes that was tested in house but because in house there would, obviously, be proper cordination and likes there was no thought to the ammo goblins in randoms
grand lantern
I don’t think you can take allies ammo in Lethal
It’s just like everyone gets 3 uses or something
timber mulch
All it says is limited refills
grand lantern
Doesn’t it say per player?
viral patio
it says each player has limited refills though, right?
timber mulch
Oh way no it does, major shrug then im not gonna lie
grand lantern
Yeah I doubt it’ll make a huge difference
timber mulch
im gonna try it before i judge but ill be frank i dont think its gonna hit me hard
i only really ever take from a box like, twice?
once on arrival, once leaving
grand lantern
I have only burned through multiple full ammo loads in a hold a couple times ever yeah
timber mulch
im just still curious cause like, there was a way more obvious first swing to make shit more difficult
maybe i kill em too fast but on ruthless ive never had to deal with multiple extremis at a time, besides the paired zoanthrope spawns
just seems like that'd be a more interesting way to try and spice it up
Would be fun trying to dance with a ravener and lictor at the same time, or a small terminator squad of both variants in one go
Sorry, rambling
grand lantern
I’m always down to clown with the really brutal stuff
granite zinc
I wonder how much it's gonna suck now with the limited ammo refil
grand lantern
Unless there’s another health increase I don’t think it’ll be a big deal
timber mulch
Aye, i'm just glad they didn't go the way of fudging HP
granite zinc
I hope is the Iron Warriors stripes
verbal mortarBOT
I'm enjoying that you can make entirely gold Space Marines now.
sly shore
It’s fucked up.
granite zinc
ye
granite zinc
Oh and knee badge for each mission you finish on lethal
stray smelt
I see people are taking to the update well
worldly pebble
So they nerfed fencing?
Saber made the very smart decision of, instead of making things that were less fun to use More fun, made the things that people actually like using more miserable?
There's still weapons and weapon types that players at large will outright refuse to use, and This is the priority?
timber mulch
From what i can tell from folk who have played the update, it just focuses more on being reactive, lasting 1-10 frames rather than 1-20
but, sure i guess
worldly pebble
I guess that does make it require more attention
timber mulch
Its not like its gutted, you just have a more specific window
worldly pebble
Ig I just can't jibe with that being the focus rather than making block weapons or heavy bolt rifle more viable
worldly pebble
I'll give it a go and see what's up when I'm able
worldly pebble
its not like this is the last patch or something
If there's a patch somewhere down the line to fix their screwy network architecture I'd be pretty stoked for that
vestal cedar
holy shit
the new helmet looks fucking sick
i literally have to have it
i play Lamenters for fuck sake, a busted ass helmet is so perfect
gonna pair it with the robot arm
huh
they've altered some of the decals
the blood angels icon has two color slots now!
also Abbadon Black looks way more saturated than it did
the colors on the Damnos Campaign badge got swapped around
anyhow, my next plan is to complete all original missions on the highest difficulty, and start working on playing the new one on all difficulties
stray smelt
Do you only need one Lethal completion for the helmet or multiple?
vestal cedar
one on every mission
stray smelt
Ahhhhh
Crap
vestal cedar
which suits me just fine
verbal mortarBOT
..Is it weird that I like the bolt carbine as like, the bolt carbine, rather than the other version?
vestal cedar
i've already done the grind of getting a completion of every difficulty on the six original missions
stray smelt
..Is it weird that I like the bolt carbine as like, the bolt carbine, rather tha...
Not the marksman?
vestal cedar
this is just a follow up on that
verbal mortarBOT
Not the marksman bolt carbine, no, just.. The bolt carbine. The SMG fella.
stray smelt
On my end uhh...
I'd need a premade to get all that stuff on Lethal, I'm still not great at this game
Even as Heavy with a maxed out plasma cannon
grand lantern
..Is it weird that I like the bolt carbine as like, the bolt carbine, rather tha...
I also like that one
I don’t think any of my dudes are high enough level for lethal rn
vestal cedar
if they could fix the fucking matchmaking i would be happy
the fact that you can just matchmake with people playing the same class as you in a one person per class game just grinds my gears
verbal mortarBOT
What's your preferred class, Freyja?
vestal cedar
Vanguard
the only reason i stopped playing Vanguard is because i didn't have any more progression to do
so i started working on Bulwark
holy shit they were not fucking around
like 5 mins in, two lictors and a neurothrope duo already
ok WOW
that was
3 lictors, two Zoanthropes and a ravener before we even got to the guardsman camp
pliant copper
hot take, it is not good there are cosmetics behind lethal
pliant copper
It's going to push newer players who aren't ready into the mode, just like it did with Ruthless
vestal cedar
i don't agree that it's bad to have it just because people will jump the shark to try and get it
you will know immediately the first time you try the new difficulty if you are ready to go or not
pliant copper
I personally am not touching Lethal until I get all the classes I play maxed
Just so I know my mechanics knowledge is up to snuff in terms of playtime invested
pliant copper
lmao
vestal cedar
i need to recreate that with the helmet when i get it tbh
then my confidence will be less unearned
yeah this shit is crazy hard
pliant copper
OH MY GOD THE RESPAWN TIMER FOR DEAD PLAYERS IS 5 MINUTES?????
vestal cedar
yeah
pliant copper
something tells me I should level the Stalker bolter lmao
vestal cedar
the timer goes down by a bit for every majoris death while you are dead
but it's still one hell of a fucking timer
grand lantern
How much I wonder
If it’s like 30 seconds per that’s probably ok?
Encourages people to retain momentum and not just kite
vestal cedar
i think it's around 20-30 seconds yeah
20 seconds
just checked
lost cause i got put into a fucking stagger state by a carnifex and it didn't let me do the gunshot thing on it
grand lantern
20 seconds
Ok that’s not awful
grand lantern
😢
vestal cedar
we were losing anyway
but that's still shit
(i was last man standing and there were zoanthropes ready to kill my ass expeditiously)
pliant copper
precreating shaders moment
modest oxide
Ayy that happened my first time trying to get Purple weapons
And if they keep nerfing stuff I'll never have a relic orz
vestal cedar
the only thing keeping me from getting more relic weapons is getting more experience on my weapons
proper cosmos
Is the polite pistol out? Or are we not in next season yet?
vestal cedar
don't think we're in the next season
south swallow
I want to shoot huge space guns with a *little* reckless abandon
my thought is that with bolters needing as many shots as they do to kill anything, more plentiful ammo would be very appreciated
sly shore
Polite pistol
modest oxide
Does feel insane that they're worried about things being too easy
'a random sniper shot from some Chaos Guardsman only does 50% of your life v-v'
Like flub one parry and you're in critical condition and stims absolutely suck in higher diff
Why do I feel safer in Darktide
worldly pebble
like, the melta bomb dmg getting nerfed, sure. i get that
but this game is not too easy. it's not hard in theory, but it's so much stimuli all at once that requires maneuvering and timing that can't all be done in tandem
modest oxide
'While you were doing the parry dance with this Majoris the ranged minions whittled all your armor and 25% hp'
except now we'll have less armor
worldly pebble
Why do I feel safer in *Darktide*
darktide gives you better control over hordes and was designed with a singular faction in mind
granite zinc
Patch dropped just a few hours ago
Youtubers:
pliant copper
lmao of course
worldly pebble
HUGE PROBLEM GAME DEAD
clever ember
New hard difficulty too hard pls fix. Is this SM2 or HD2?
sly shore
I struggle on Average, so I’m never going to touch this and don’t have a horse in the race.
turbid nebula
I see the subreddit is having a normal one
And by 'having a normal one' i mean 'devolved into yet another nest of whining pissbabies that makes the HD2 subreddit look downright mature.'
vestal cedar
just as expected
timber mulch
>Patch dropped just a few hours ago
>Youtubers:
Yknow i wasn't entirely expecting to see true vanguard out of d2 but good to know it's the same regardless of what game he posts about
south swallow
And by 'having a normal one' i mean 'devolved into yet another nest of whining p...
Leave it to warhammer fans who are also gamers eh?
worldly pebble
Yknow i wasn't entirely expecting to see true vanguard out of d2 but good to kno...
i can't escape destiny 2 youtubers
vestal cedar
I still haven't played it
worldly pebble
it is v fun- i can play it w anyone who wants
worldly pebble
nods nods
viral patio
why on earth do I visit the subreddit? oof
proper cosmos
Lotta people real mad about a difficulty they don't have to play
viral patio
yeah, there was a lot of similar discourse about ruthless, but it's worse now
you don't need gold weapons if you're not playing the last two difficulties
grand lantern
I think purples and some greens are enough for Ruthless
Maybe I am just impatient and a glutton for punishment haha
Related I think the Pfist might be solid now
viral patio
I find with the powerfist I struggle to get back contested health, but it's not really my speed anyway
grand lantern
That’s fair
That is a struggle
I generally just try to generate gun strikes for contested health when I use it
tame surge
I think purples and some greens are enough for Ruthless
Pre this patch I would definitely have agreed, now I'm unsure.
Plus, I want / need gold weapons both for the looks and for the perks, even if I will mostly play Ruthless or Substantial and never Lethal.
grand lantern
Yeah this patch did just make it a little harder
I just did a Substantial with a green powerfist last night so under tiering is still possible
Even managed most melee damage by a big margin with a bulwark in the party which was fucked up
The power fist is kind of a sledge hammer with charged heavies now I think
tame surge
I find that bulwarks often don't actually do a lot of damage. The melee weapons don't do a lot of dps, but the bulwark gets all the attention and then gun strikes enemies.
(or at least they don't feel like they do a lot of dps. Either way, I used to stand in hordes and parry a lot, which doesn't lead to high damage numbers at the end.)
grand lantern
That’s fair Bulwark is my least played class
timber mulch
Oh i am SO happy
they made my purple a few shades darker and it is perfect
vestal cedar
that is a very nice purple
worldly pebble
That is a gorgeous ourple
granite zinc
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3202690/Warhammer_40000_Space_Marine_2__4K_Texture_Pack/ I can barely run this but , nice is free
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE2up4zRM3A also, whiny babs
At least Youtuber man adressed that "please stop being fucking rude everyone ffs"
modest oxide
I know people overreacted but would like the higher difficulties to not be an absolute slog
worldly pebble
At least Youtuber man adressed that "please stop being fucking rude everyone ffs...
This is why devs don't like to take community feedback, generally
modest oxide
And yes I know people can do them with green weapons it's very impressive but I'd prefer a majoris to not take a full minute of beating with a chainsword
granite zinc
Agreed
modest oxide
It kind of shatters gamefeel
worldly pebble
Yeah I don't like spongey enemies doing more damage as a difficulty slider
granite zinc
It just
Sucks so bad, when you are a Assault and a fucking Neurothrope spawns
modest oxide
yeup
worldly pebble
I think you should be able to pick what grenades you spawn with
modest oxide
Hell it sucks for any class that wanted to have ammo for the next fight
granite zinc
"Oh just be patient, he gives a melee window!"
yeah but i kinda don't want to expend the time to fight a JRPG boss on a mini-boss
modest oxide
And like it's the same enemies the same setups they just arbitrarily take twice the bullets
granite zinc
Yeah i hate that kind of balance
For me, Doom 1 and 2 gives the best
modest oxide
Helldivers just filling the screen with enemies is much more fun High Difficulty
granite zinc
Ramp up the damage AND your ammo
Everyone dies FASTER
grand lantern
Yeah I don't like spongey enemies doing more damage as a difficulty slider
SM2 is rough because literally everything is scaled harder
More tougher more damaging enemies which you fight with less ammo less supplies and less EHP
modest oxide
It just makes it feel like the marines get shittier as they glam up with Relics
grand lantern
Yeah the weapon scaling I think falls behind the enemies
So fighting diff 1 enemies with standard issue feels a little nicer than diff 4 with relics
granite zinc
Oh yeah now that we can have golden space marines we can do the sanguinar guard
kinda
worldly pebble
It just makes it feel like *the marines get shittier* as they glam up with Relic...
See, the funny thing is, this can work diegetically for the Tyranids, as they're highly adaptive and can gain greater resistances to damage and become deadlier to space marines.
The Ksons though? Idk magic makes them like that. Videogame
Having difficulty tied to density and tactics makes more sense to me than just straightforwardly weakening you and forcing you to do ballet around a singular enemy so you don't eat shit and die
worldly pebble
<@&1281758630688981034> Anyone up to space the marine
grand lantern
I should be later this evening
worldly pebble
sounds good :]
south swallow
I feel like people being upset about balance changes is completely valid. Being dicks about it is unwarranted and unproductive; its just venting. In reference to earlier convo
worldly pebble
oh, yeah. you can def be upset. but Gamers™️ often get more than just upset
smth smth the raindrop doesn't feel responsible for the flood
grand lantern
I feel like people being upset about balance changes is completely valid. Being ...
Yeah I agree reddit is just nearly always like, abusive towards devs it feels like
Though I admit I’m kinda mystified by leaving Block weapons alone
worldly pebble
being able to tank orange attacks or at least take half damage from them would be. Something, idk
grand lantern
That would be neat
worldly pebble
bc they can't parry and there's just Nothing in its place
grand lantern
Just being unable to do parry gunstrikes sucks
verbal mortarBOT
Personally I wanna see HBR buffs. Even if it doesn't get like, RoF buffs, making it do like 25-50% more damage per bolt than the bolt rifle in return for RoF decrease would be nice. Like, same DPS but in less, heavier bolts.
grand lantern
bc they can't parry and there's just Nothing in its place
They get… higher stats but it doesn’t feel all that impactful
worldly pebble
yeah. block vs fencing thunder hammers on the green tier are like night and day
the former technically hits harder, if slower, but the latter being able to parry quickly Drastically increases melee survivability
proper cosmos
Slow speed on block weapons feels absurd to me
Can't parry, fewer windows to dodge
verbal mortarBOT
Based on naming alone, I feel like Fencing should be no-parry but fast, and Block should be slow but large parry windows?
proper cosmos
Mm, I don't really agree, fencing is all about being able to blend attack and defence as I understand it
worldly pebble
i'm gonna do some spacin marine in HORUS
worldly pebble
NQJEB
pliant copper
"increased server stability" my fuckin ass lmao
Unless stability means 'we have decided certain parts of the playerbase just can't connect so everyone else is stable'
or something
idfk
worldly pebble
I should be later this evening
gona ping a second time, i assume ur busy tho
grand lantern
I just gotta finish up some schoolwork
worldly pebble
no rush, just wonderin
worldly pebble
ty for the games Cyan :]
worldly pebble
the machine spirits are gracious to me, for once-
tame surge
"increased server stability" my fuckin ***ass*** lmao
Heh, I had what felt like a full-on server crash in my last mission
Spawned a carnifex inside a building, tiny space and all
And that disconnected all of us and showed "host migration" on the loading screen
And then we were all back at the same location, full up on health and ammo, but no carnifex anywhere...
I think it spawned the fex somewhere it couldn't actually, and crashed.
pliant copper
I think it spawned the fex somewhere it couldn't actually, and crashed.
Amazing
granite zinc
i play Lamenters for fuck sake, a busted ass helmet is so perfect
Saw this , though you would like
vestal cedar
Yeah!
I saw,that one
My favourite detail is the fact that the Lamenters ruined hand is being held by small boy the mom is holding
Despite such a horrible injury that the Lamenters gauntlet is simply gone and the arm looks almost ruined from all the blood he is still comforting a small child despite being unable to even walk unaided
Twitter
granite zinc
Thanks for the source!
And yeah, it's a great detail
vestal cedar
His Angels of Death come to act as the stewards of mankind
They are truly the most noble sons of Sanguinius
It's also a follow up to this: https://x.com/ABAtilus/status/1843368636435910702
Twitter
granite zinc
Oh that's sick, I love how it is a follow up
vestal cedar
You can see in the Lamenters scope
The woman and the child being attacked by a Tyranid bioform
The Lamenter took those injuries from what looks to be a Lictor, to be able to spare the mother and child from deaths grasp
For those we cherish, we die in glory!
vestal cedar
That's what the Space Marines are about, for sure
Indeed, it's why i love them
They truly do care
vestal cedar
or well
Should >:V
Big E >:V
Fucking Marines Malevolent moment
sly shore
Crimson Fists 🤝 Lamenters
Giving a shit, getting exploded through bad luck.
vestal cedar
Fuck yes
At least i have some catharsis about the Marines Malevolent from that time Tu'Shan of the Salamanders beat the shit out of one of their Captains for carpet bombing a hospital
sly shore
“Did you guys forget what side we’re on?”
vestal cedar
The Marines Malevolent are the very worst
They are "efficient" at combat at every conceivable cost, especially civilian cost
sly shore
Sounds like they’re going out of their way.
Also they’re called the Marines Malevolent.
vestal cedar
Yeah the name fits
To give you an idea
This is a broadcast they made during the Third War for Armageddon:
sly shore
I’m sticking with Dorn’s Normalest Sons.
vestal cedar
Innocence does not exist, only degrees of guilt. Freedom must be earned, it must be fought for. Cowards, the weak and the impure do not deserve to live. [Hive] Hades was lost on the backs of the craven. Armageddon will only be won by the strong. We of the Marines Malevolent will stand before this menace and we will...
sly shore
“Brother. Bring the bolter. The heavy bolter.”
vestal cedar
Their warcry is literally "Hate is the surest weapon"
The Marines Malevolent take a flippant view in regards to collateral damage and the use of excessive force. If innocent civilians or other Imperial forces happen to die due to their brutal tactics, then so much the better. This is because this Chapter believes there is no such thing as "innocence," simply varying degrees of guilt, and that people who will not fight to defend themselves have no right to live as their freedom was purchased with others' blood.
The Malevolents will also go so far as to salvage equipment, weapons, ammunition and other resources from other fallen Space Marines of different Chapters, if they discover any.
sly shore
Hey, we should kill these guys. They sound like traitors.
vestal cedar
They also overwhelmingly use Horus Heresy era Corvus armor, which means they have outdated as fuck gear
Firstborn Marines Malevolent overwhelmingly use antique Mark VI Corvus Power Armour and wield ancient pattern bolters. They seemed almost desperate to acquire the war materiel that the derelict Adeptus Mechanicus Forge Ship Archimedes Rex carried. This would suggest that they do not have the means to produce or obtain additional materiel and equipment, such as the standard Mark VII Aquila Power Armour more commonly worn by Firstborn Space Marines in the 41st Millennium and the presently-used patterns of bolters.
Whether this is due to some unmentioned disaster that destroyed their ability to manufacture and produce said materiel, or because their brutal reputation has somehow displeased the Adeptus Mechanicus of Mars, is not known.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if even the mechanicum hates these guys and doesn't want to help them
vestal cedar
Hey, we should kill these guys. They sound like traitors.
Although the war record of the Marines Malevolent can be described as exemplary, many of their erstwhile wartime allies have questioned this Chapter's conduct in the prosecution of a campaign. Though none would gainsay their effectiveness in battle, several other Space Marine Chapters consider the Marines Malevolent belligerent, antagonistic and wanting in brotherhood with their fellow Adeptus Astartes. This has resulted in many forces of the Imperium refusing to serve alongside this infamous Chapter.
sly shore
They sound like traitors!
vestal cedar
They really do
The Salamanders in particular fucking hate them
The Marines Malevolent are walking war crime generators from what i can tell
turbid nebula
Something that actually makes me want to roll Flesh Eaters, because damn this slaps
HUNGER FOR BURGER
vestal cedar
i fucking love that video
turbid nebula
It is SuperCanon ™️
worldly pebble
beakie nose art is and always will be aces
worldly pebble
i am a big fan of these videos but i'm biased
vestal cedar
TTS was my into to 40k
Admittedly it has a lot of biases and misinformation on certain topics
But i can't help but love it
worldly pebble
my intro to 40k was the age old gmod DoW shitposts alfa made
proper cosmos
Honestly the marines malevolent are just the flesh tearers but without the pathos of the damned or the magic space ptsd
The tearers are resigned to a fate of infamy and choose to do what good they still can
The MMs think they themselves are cool
south swallow
my intro was dawn of war 1 in earnest; before that it was a big old 40k puzzle but i didn't know it was 40k until later
turbid nebula
My intro was actually a friend of the family's son when we lived in Europe. And I thought it was the coolest thing ever.
So I actually got started with the tail end of 2nd edition
At like...Age 8
vocal spade
I had played Chaos Gate when i was wee lad
But i didnt get properly into w40k until dawn of war series
south swallow
im guessing this is a different game than chaos gate daemonhunters
which came out in 2022
grand lantern
This one I imagine
turbid nebula
It's the game that the TTS Cato Sicarius theme comes from
Seriously though, that game had a pretty great soundtrack all around
ALSO
Don't get me wrong I'll take the free XP and currency
But what's the damn point of running something on Average when you're two level 25s with maxed-out weaponry?
I mean if you were trying to farm weapon XP I get it
But at this point you're just killing things so fast tht I don't get the weapon XP
vestal cedar
yeah i've just been running lower level missions to level up weapons
been leveling up my Bulwark
need to improve at the game so i can get that sick as fuck helmet
stray smelt
But what's the damn point of running something on Average when you're two level ...
Racking up Victories for cosmetic unlocks most likely
turbid nebula
I hate the power fist...
timber mulch
Sniper moment
stray smelt
Them's some big numbers
I've been thinking of trying out Sniper actually
Which main gun should I pick?
timber mulch
Which main gun should I pick?
Im a weirdo who hugs the las fusil close 24/7 so im not the best person to ask there
grand lantern
Twitter
grand lantern
Which main gun should I pick?
I also like the Las-fusil
turbid nebula
The Las Fusil has more oomph, but has a charge up
Bolt Sniper is less damage, but bang as soon as you pull the trigger
I'm not enough of a masochist to try leveling the Bolt Carbine
grand lantern
I quite like the bolt carbine but like... just play tactical or vanguard if you wanna be like that
sly shore
Imperial Guard Leman Russ.
Imperial Guard sergeant where you have a swarm of AI-controlled guardsmen you can point at enemies to focus fire.
I know I'm asking for the impossible, but I can dream.......
turbid nebula
solo mode where you drop in as Malum Caedo
vestal cedar
Malum Caedo is far too powerful
clever ember
It's him. The Crimson Fist.
pliant copper
is he the best at fisting?
sly shore
HE'LL YEAH BORTHER
copper swallow
I'm not enough of a masochist to try leveling the Bolt Carbine
Marksman Bolt Carbine is okay tbh, reasonably good semi auto weapon
But I don't dare to use the standard one, and it probably doesn't measure up to the Las Fusil anyway
grand lantern
I think the standard one is ok
worldly pebble
is the marksman carbine the stalker bolter? or do you mean the other weapon called the marksman carbine-
copper swallow
The bolt carbine the tac and sniper gets can upgrade into two different paths
there's marksman and standard variants
standard is a bullet hose, probably okay for grunts but people usually sleep on the high ROF bolters for not being meltas
grand lantern
The standard also redzones warriors pretty fast
At shorter range
It feels better than the stats indicate
copper swallow
the semi auto is a weird duck of a semi auto gun that has two visible tacticool scopes you cannot actually look down, but it has reasonable damage per shot and would be your pick for a fast firing semi auto DMR
(the stalker bolter is slower, has more recoil and harder to reload so it punishes missed shots more severely)
at the higher difficulties you need to spend like half the mag or more on the semi-auto to put down one warrior and with the enemy spawns basically getting doubled by the new patch, that fills me with concern
How are y'all holding up with the new patch? it doesn't feel like the changes to fencing weapons have changed that much for me (though I'm now heavily incentivized to run the balanced one when the fencing option feels cumbersome) but the increased enemy spawns kicked my ass hard on the higher difficulties
I thought I'd leveled up past failing missions 2/3 of the time
timber mulch
I've had to handle being last one standing more often but on an individual level, nothings really changed for me
turbid nebula
I did have a fun time in an Average earlier trying to level up grey weapons, and get every class above 10
The joys of running around in panic mode for twenty minutes in the end of level event because you're the only one doing objectives and your two teammates keep charging into the big obvious "DON'T STAND IN THE FUCKING ACID" acid and thus have average lifespans of about 90 seconds.
turbid nebula
I mean it's fine if your team is on the ball
In both of the event arenas
A lot of people seem to have trouble with the whole "If you stand still the Heirophant is going to kill you."
worldly pebble
i don't know why you'd Ever stand still in sm2
especially for a tyranid mission. if you're not changing positions you Will get mobbed
pliant copper
I will admit, as the person who's had to aim the cannons
I have fully recognized I am about to receive a bio-cannon facial and just stood still and held the trigger to get the shot off
turbid nebula
That's understandable
However, did you then proceed to KEEP standing there after the shot went off?
pliant copper
God no
woven vigil
bio-cannon facial... did you have to say it like that
copper swallow
Tyranids are so... gloopy...
copper swallow
I've had to handle being last one standing more often but on an individual level...
I wish I could say I was that good at the game, but the chance of just getting bodied by a large horde beyond my ability to parry/dodge out of is quite a lot higher now
tame surge
I've had a lot more moments of 3+ nids staggering their attacks perfectly
So I parry one, maybe two, then get bodied by the follow-up while I'm locked into the parry.
timber mulch
I wish I could say I was that good at the game, but the chance of just getting b...
Ah- sorry i wasnt trying to showboat
pliant copper
bio-cannon facial... did you have to say it like that
XD
granite zinc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx61xeDV_60
My favorite
Soup Marines theme
pliant copper
oof
grand lantern
I can probably just do like, a quarter of a mission and quit out
tame surge
Huh, I've suddenly been having really weird frame rate drops - not quite freezes, not lag - but only in the last area of Ballistic Engine and Termination. Not any of the other areas, and not during Inferno either.
Wonder what that's about.
granite zinc
Yeah, meanwhile I been getting this blackscreen after loading to get into a missioon
viral patio
massive changes, including some walking back of the difficulty bump
but also! buffs to bolt weapons!
vestal cedar
YIPPEEE
they fucking took away the Vanguard hater mechanic
this is excellent also
grand lantern
Frankly splitting up was already enough of a punishment without that haha
viral patio
I'd bet money it comes back as a challenge at some point
but not as a base mechanic again
granite zinc
Game please, let me join matches that has the class I want avaliable
Please
vestal cedar
yeah
the matchmaking fucking sucks
stop trying to get me to join games that have my classes unavailable
it's not happening
tame surge
Game please, let me join matches that has the class I want avaliable
Please
And don't show me classes as available that aren't
Like, sometimes it'll go "oh, your class isn't available pick one of the following" and show me the class I'd picked - and it's actually available.
And sometimes it's not available after all.
granite zinc
And sometimes it's not available after all.
Yeah that just sucks
grand lantern
i still need to get better at the game to go for lethal
I wanna fw lethal soon
Starting to get the gear I need to tackle it I think
Idk if I’m good enough haha
But I wanna try it out soon
granite zinc
If i ever try lethal for real, I would probably lock myself on Heavy or Bulwark
timber mulch
My heavy is more than ready for lethal
tame surge
I recently had a weird interaction where I ran a substantial op with some randos, which went quite well.
So clearly, the next thing to do as squad leader, is to pick a Lethal op.
I was leveling my sniper and had just unlocked the green bolt sniper - I was not ready (nor trying to be) and quit out immediately.
stray smelt
Wait is the patch out yet?
stray smelt
Ah, shame
The boltgun buffs are nice, but feel anemic
Like, you're going down from 30 headshots to 25
On enemies you can three-tap with a melta
verbal mortarBOT
Patch is live right now.
vocal spade
I just have worst luck with party members whenever i play
south swallow
vestal cedar
lmao
silent mist
Looks more like primer + gloss coat though
Like you forgot a step in the middle
Obviously SM2 needs a matte finish option
copper swallow
Didn't know they made another Grey Knights game
I got some friends to help me out and finally got my "cleared all 7 Lethal missions" hat
it's pretty tough
copper swallow
1 and 6 were the easiest to nail, I feel you probably really want a group with coordination especially for 2,4 and 7
You really want to have a Tactical on the squad for 2 and 4 for Auspex Scan
lv 23+ Bulwarks are generally great for longevity as they can clear teammates' mortal wound statuses using their banner and stimpacks
vestal cedar
I'm currently leveling up my bulwark to max
my main is Vanguard which isn't super useful for the higher level missions
south swallow
i find vanguards utility is relative self sufficiency
vestal cedar
mhm
on Lethal you need coordination and team utility far more so Vanguard is useful on anything lower moreso
stray smelt
How does Heavy hold up at the top difficulty?
stray smelt
Nice, because I have a Relic boltgun and plasma cannon
I refuse to use the melta out of principle
The principle being 'I don't like it'
grand lantern
well
plascannon is very good
Also surprisingly tanky in melee because your melee generates gunstrikes a lot
stray smelt
That I know, I think I prefer the HBolter and how it feels
And also because wiping the floor with Zoanthropes is fun
vestal cedar
fuck Zoanthropes
stray smelt
Exactly
And while I can hit them mostly reliably with the plasma cannon, it's still less than I'd like
grand lantern
There's few worse feelings than watching a zoan dodge and already in flight charged plasma glob
vestal cedar
having a them spawn when you are on vanguard with melta is fucking rancid
stray smelt
Ahhhh, yeah
vestal cedar
bolt pistol does negative fucking damage so it's mostly just letting allies deal with it at that point
stray smelt
Yeah, the bolt weapons in general mostly feel sad in this game
Compared to plasmas and such
vestal cedar
it's ok if you get headshots
but i cannot get headshots so it's not particularly useful
grand lantern
Honestly I hate zoans so much
grand lantern
The game is very melee oriented and the melee immune enemies suck assss
vestal cedar
yeah
still not as bad as chaos can/used to get at times but it's not particularly fun
especially not with how much they seem to love limiting your ammo
grand lantern
Yeah
In SM1 the guns were across the board a little punchier in terms of damage and you weren't perpetually on the brink of running out of ammo
It was more more of a 50/50 split between gunplay and melee
SM2 feels like its idk 65-70% melee?
vestal cedar
yeah
grand lantern
I'm struggling to find it but there was VERY early prerelease footage of space marine 1 which felt weird similar
Very melee focused, guns almost explicitly for softening enemies up for melee
Very god of war-y
Also the bolt pistol was fully automatic and fired super quick which was weird
tame surge
The relic bolt pistol is surprisingly good against zoans, imo
It's still mostly down to your allies, but it does actually help
Not that you have enough ammo to deal with even one by yourself.
vestal cedar
mhm
tame surge
TIL if you lock on to Majoris, you get a sorta health bar for them.
Neat, I suppose?
but also, OMG, the problem with zoans and neurothropes is a lack of snipers, clearly.
I've been leveling my sniper, and it just lays waste to them
They're just not an issue with a sniper on the team.
stray smelt
Yeah, same here
Even with a green Las Fusil on difficulty 3, the thropes just melt
tame surge
Of course, it's kinda annoying to go "yeah, you need a sniper or a heavy with a good bolter if you wanna do smooth 'nids missions"
grand lantern
Tac can also kinda do it but yeah
tame surge
It's a lot more fun to play melee vs chaos though, because while they're super heavy on ranged enemies, apart from the Reliquary boss, you can always close the distance.
tame surge
yeah, bulwark can do okay with charged plasma, but assault sucks for that boss
Vanguard just needs to switch off melta for that bit at least and then it's fine
But it's still fine if 2/3 players can handle it, the melee guy just focuses on adds
but if you end up doing that mission with bulwark and assault, it gets a bit rough, imo
and that sort of team comp problem kinda feels bad if you don't play with friends mostly.
clever ember
grand lantern
I don't really want this captain
turbid nebula
"All I can spare is one miniature."
karmic scarab
"two proxy minis and whatever's in my pocket"
sly shore
"I can give you five."
"Five... companies of Guardsmen? Five squads of Astartes?"
"Five men."
"That's not even a full squad!"
vestal cedar
five men, no stimpacks
turbid nebula
"Captain Titus, I need you to run down and get me a protein shake from the shops."
"Okay, that's five aquilas. Can you give me five aquilas?"
"All I can spare is three."
viral patio
whenever I play a short-range character, I grab the first krak grenades I see and hold onto them for 'thropes
worth their weight in gold
worldly pebble
if assault or bulwark could spawn with kraks i'd feel a lot better throwing them into every mission
brisk notch
"Lieutenant titus GW hzs increased their price so we could only afford 5 space marines"
brisk notch
i can't wait for neovolkit gun
proper cosmos
beeeg damag
timber mulch
Ya love to see it
tame surge
What weapon was that?
brisk notch
hatred
wanton grail
do we know when the neo volkite pistol is coming out exactly?
wanton grail
Does anyone else want to do operations?
worldly pebble
i'd be down for a couple-
proper cosmos
What weapon was that?
Thunder hammer
south swallow
do you mix in charged heavies with the TH or do you just swing for the bleachers?
grand lantern
I should try out the thunder hammer, I only use the power fist
proper cosmos
I was using a lot thedouble charged heavy followup
And also. turns out gunstrike damage is not included in the results screen, from what I hear?
timber mulch
fuckin pain
im doing a solo substainial on tactical and the bots are assault and bulwark
a neurothrope spawned
god what a whirlwind of a mission
multiple massive waves, one of every extremis, and a neurothrope
genuinely was just expecting a carnifex to get the whole roster
timber mulch
i will wear this with SO MUCH PRIDE.
vestal cedar
I need to do more Letha missions but i need to level up some classes first
Thinking i'll max out Bulwark
Since Bulwark is a good pick for lethal
Got any tips btw?
Every time i've tried lethal i got curbstomped by the sheer amount of extremis spawning in
worldly pebble
was this before or after the patch where they tweaked extremis spawns, or was that unchanged for lethal-
vestal cedar
Idk i played when Lethal first came out
Played the first operation
3 lictors, two zoanthropes and a Ravener before we even got to the Guardsman camp
Needless to say we got absolutely washed
That was while dodge was broken admittedly
worldly pebble
that sounds like prepatch then
vestal cedar
It was day of the update so yeah
Pre-patch
Need to play some lethal tomorrow to see how manageable it is now
I desperately need the helmet you get from lethal missions
I'm literally playing a Lamenter, the busted up Helmet and robot arm combo is perfect
timber mulch
Got any tips btw?
i genuinely wish i did, i just kinda kept my cool and did what i normally do
i did get lucky and didn't have a boss to spawn
in a fucked up sense, tyrant was the easiest part
lilac haven
havent played tha game yet (i almost always wait for a sale and also i only have my laptop currently) but i think my marine will be an alpha legionnaire doing a stint in the deathwatch
silent mist
3 lictors, two zoanthropes and a Ravener before we even got to the Guardsman cam...
Average Lamenter morning
Just getting absolutely fucked by the whims of the universe
vestal cedar
We got fucking obliterated
Even worse
We got attacked by most of the shit in a chokepoint
So it was impossible to kite or regroup
We just got picked off without being able to support eachother
lilac haven
oof
vestal cedar
that was also when not being close enough meant no ability to regen shields
worldly pebble
Yeah, I'm glad they walked that back, bc that was basically "if you play Sniper, Vanguard or Assault, fuck you. Die"
vestal cedar
ok this is so incredibly more easy than the first version of lethal i played
worldly pebble
I don't understand why they thought implementing that was a good idea when literally Half of the classes have an identity that revolves around positioning themselves away from the team
timber mulch
after proving i can even do it myself, i ended up trying some public lethals since i couldnt sleep, got real lucky after a few fails and found this fuckin' kill squad of 2 other people and we just
kept tearing throiugh em
vestal cedar
fuck yeah
i'm going to do some more lethals now as well since i have one win under my belt
vestal cedar
i need that helmet fr
it would be absolutely perfect for my normal Lamenters outfit
i already have good looks for my Deathwatch and Death Company outfits
nobody is joining so i'll try decapitation solo see how it goes
timber mulch
Good luck
i admittedly didnt have intital plans for the helmet but upon getting it i instantly threw it onto my apothecary stand-in since, technically, he's dead
timber mulch
i
didnt realize there was a power sword skin that came along too
vestal cedar
chaos is actually just anti-fun
i have never seen such a difference in fun factor between two factions in a game
love waiting out the respawn timer cause going in alone against chaos is absolute suicide
oh my fucking gods that was stressful
was last man standing against the helldrake, at deaths door, only ranged weapon is a bolt pistol, it had 2/3rds health left
somehow i managed to survive long enough for the others to respawn and we won
4/7 now
vestal cedar
5/7
we keep winning by the absolute skin of our teeth
genuinely had last man standing momenst on most of these missions now
vestal cedar
enraged gun warriors do way too much damage with their shots
i took one shot and went down to like 1/5th health through my shields
grand lantern
The Devourer ones?
vestal cedar
yeah i think so
also i'm genuinely fucking sick of Zoanthropes
ok no more sm2 for today
actually just gonna scream if i have to see a single more zoanthrope today
wanton grail
i think this is a good indication that perhaps i should run the fusil instead of the carbine on sniper when i get to higher difficulties
vestal cedar
Literally the only reason i lost any mission on Lethal yesterday was zoanthropes spawning in at the worst time physically possible
vestal cedar
I can't do shit against them cause i play Vanguard
vestal cedar
i love carrying a mission against a neurothrope and a lictor with no hp until one of my teammates respawn only for said teammate to kill themselves immediatley by trying to cap a point without accounting for the fact that the lictor and neutothrope will just kill them without backup
ok i'm thinking they need to fucking do something about the Zoanthropes and Neurothropes cause they are literally the only reason i have lost missions on lethal so far
it is so absurdly difficult to deal with them compared to any other enemy in the game
just had Neurothrope spawn on the first part of a mission and we just wiped immediately
modest oxide
And they just don't engage with half the classes and half the game mechanics it is by far the least fun Extremis
vestal cedar
they fucking suck
like i don't like fighting chaos but i would literally rather fight two hellbrutes at once than deal with a neurothrope
tame surge
They require a sniper/heavy/tactical to focus on them, ideally two.
If you have that, they're fine.
If you don't, well, good luck to you!
Which, yeah... That's not great design.
vestal cedar
also they just have bullshit attacks
the psychic scream thing is fucked
if you are too close you simply die
tame surge
The waves or the one that just kills you if you're too close?
vestal cedar
you can do fuck all about it
tame surge
Ah.
vestal cedar
the waves are bullshit too but less so
tame surge
You really have to watch the windup, and run once it starts.
vestal cedar
it does an absolutely ridiculous amount of damage
tame surge
Which is not how most other enemies work, but it is at least fairly well telegraphed.
vestal cedar
same goes for the sniper warriors when they are enraged
tame surge
Oh yeah. Way too much - but then, that's how most enemies feel.
vestal cedar
one shot from them will take two shields and like 75% health
tame surge
Yeah.