Deadlock

[whole moon]

convinced gf to play with me now i have someone to learn with yaaay

[agile rune]

I should commission someone to make a choso mod for drifter

[torn gulch]

Health buffs are indirect silver buffs

and any other hero that has current health damage in kit

[agile rune]

True!

As is any tank hp or defences buff

[torn gulch]

Also silver directly buffed I see

Lycan down to 40s cooldown and resists up

Maybe it's now worth to put a point early into it instead of just doing everything else first

[torn gulch]

first game, let me the fuck out

[jovial yacht]

as silver?

[jovial yacht]

what no idea what items you buying do

[torn gulch]

no it was another lane

against wraith

people still don't know that rusted barrel is 800 souls I guess

[agile rune]

love having a wraith on my team

[torn gulch]

Also seems like silver has a bug

If you hold m1 and use a skill stuff is fine

[agile rune]

no she's a wolf not a bug, easy confusion

[torn gulch]

but if you don't, there is a delay

especially after a bite

[torn gulch]

well, you know, wolves often catch ticks and stuff

[agile rune]

what

[agile void]

vindicta:blue

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rqb8km/the_highly_informed_mo_krill_player/

[agile rune]

got sent to tokyo

got drifted upon

[agile void]

oh new patch

https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/03-06-2026-update.114328/

Hero base health increased by 40

Hero health increased growth by +4 and 8%

Vitality investment bonuses increased by 12%

[ivory reef]

If you'd like help being taught would be happy to run you guys through a bot game or two

[agile rune]

ashley who's your favourite character, I won't say main because sometimes people don't main their faves because of balance or usual party comp

[ivory reef]

If it isn't incredibly obvious I'm appalled

[somber creek]

Because she likes birds she obviously plays Grey Talon duuuuuuuuuuh

[agile rune]

I assume either mina or celeste but idk

[ivory reef]

Correct

It's mina

[agile rune]

mod vampire alliance

[ivory reef]

🤜

@bleak thicket plays rem too that kinda counts

[agile rune]

🤛

[ivory reef]

She's a vampire for sinners

[earnest verge]

i like the taste of blood and am hurt by the sun irl do I get points

[torn gulch]

The health buffs make the game so much more enjoyable and also I still get to blow heads smooth off

Good update yoshi

Also today I realized that if I press 1 and transform I get to do funny still

[ivory reef]

You do babe

[earnest verge]

nice

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/FbKKt76RKYQ

the concept of a evil rescue beam implies that there is a third, good rescue beam

[gray otter]

is rescue beam itself morally neutral?

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rqs74s/deadlock_gameplay_update_03062026/

[vivid nimbus]

(I think the bit would’ve been funnier if it was scrolling at a readable speed)

[worldly dirge]

i took me so long to real lmao

[worldly dirge]

https://youtu.be/kJ_jR2h8nYE?is=0xBzye5UGfqyYi4A

[vast sandal]

tried solo queueing and it's not so bad

[narrow rover]

truth nuke

it’s not bad at all

double for me because I like to play carries

[merry verge]

idk if the curated community makes it better than league, or like.. having more direct control over your character, or the mobility-..

but it feels so much better solo than any moba

[somber creek]

I think its the smaller player base in general

[merry verge]

solo Dota feels like walking into a room of nine people that don't like you specifically

[somber creek]

Also idk I did have a guy go "Shout out to my man Epstien" in one of my matches recently

[narrow rover]

after a good 50 hours in dota, I realized there’s not 9 idiots in each game, but 10

[somber creek]

I feel like i get an average moba amount of toxicity

[narrow rover]

i feel like it’s the character control paired with the fact that builds and characters are so insanely versatile

[somber creek]

I also found Dota insurmountably more toxic than League in my time with both

[merry verge]

league they clamped down hard with a ban system at somepoint

it used to be fuckin horrid

[hallow zenith]

I am... not averse to solo queueing on it's own, but I'm worried it'll like

up my rank and make it so that when I'm playing with friends who don't play on their own we'll be going against opponents of my rank instead of theirs?

[narrow rover]

viscous is probably the breast example of versatility, he can do spirit, melee, gun etc

[somber creek]

Breast.....

[narrow rover]

it’ll try to find a medium. + unless you win many many games, you won’t jump that far away from your friends

[narrow rover]

the breast™

[somber creek]

I do think gun viscous is a little dead in the water

[narrow rover]

oh yeah it’s tuff rn, but I refuse to let it die

i still run it whenever I play goo boy

nobody can stop me

unrelated, if anybody wants to play, @ me or dm me! i’m always looking for more people to run it up with

my preference is gun carries/ i play like 1 or 2 spirit carries, but i’m down to do anything really

[vast sandal]

Infernus let this happen because he knows Billy can pay and Silver can’t

[vivid nimbus]

First Night Shift draft of the new patch ||really is old meta vs new meta||

[rich grove]

the strongest team comp of today vs the strongest team comp of history

[vivid nimbus]

Well, if by history you mean "last week"

[vivid nimbus]

Hey, Silver pays her tab and her rent, it's other spending she's tight on

[somber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1481379773300342784/RDT_20260311_1553318238870893671797806.jpg?ex=69b319ec&is=69b1c86c&hm=8bbe3a71c0b93a70569491a177985aa8dc1533d9acae2a6fd194a6bada688cbb&

[finite grotto]

I love the hero ultimate cobalt from deadlock from deadlock!

[somber creek]

Well lets see the video

How else am I gonna counter deadlock and her ult cobalt

[vivid nimbus]

Kelvin ||cashed in a 3k egg in this game||

[torn gulch]

Those look like beer and not whiskey bottles...then again, Silver might be at the stage where she doesn't care as long as alcoholic drink

[agile void]

that would be.... ||20 buffs||

[cursive flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/860144512630390784/1481386824764096522/ncs_artist_20260311_reel_3850626810082573414_1_3850626810082573414.mp4?ex=69b3207d&is=69b1cefd&hm=4ea4d1cad40c14eb7579beaf70f377d843a33d18de279d1c4488260ce61c8247&

i love ncs

[agile void]

also that would mean that with the soul gen

he would have needed to ||hold that egg for almost 30 minutes, aka the whole match, considering it starts at 400 and it generates 90 souls per minute||

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah

But also Kelvin is actually someone who I think can get away with egg well

[agile void]

yeah if he went full healbot that would have worked

[agile void]

||w won?||

[vivid nimbus]

||Abrahams|| won

[agile void]

damn

||they won because of egg||

[somber creek]

Egg OP

clearly

[vivid nimbus]

Abrahams is a team known for very strong macro play and they certainly showed it off

[spring tundra]

Man come on

Also

WOW calico is overtuned rn

Her gun is insane

[whole moon]

yay~! that'd be lovely, we've mostly been playing street brawl to figure things out!!! already got us a lil four-stack-double-date which will hopefully be educational

[agile void]

that sounds like a buff to me, doesnt it?

[spring tundra]

…. OH

I misread it

[agile void]

+2 seconds of cooldown but you get some of your mobility back after they broke your knees

which is movement that you cant fix with items btw

[spring tundra]

Bwuh

Also I gotta figure out what I’m doing wrong wrt to souls lmao, im always behind on souls

Like in the bottom 2 on my team

Which is not good because I like to play Carrie’s lmao

No

Carrys

[finite grotto]

ok i will not touch drifter again

i am so bad on this character

[vivid nimbus]

Catch more waves, and pick up camps between waves

Sinners are also good to do

But number one advice for newbies is if you need souls catch more waves

[frail jasper]

Preferably solo, not having two random chumps showing up to help you kill five troopers.

[spring tundra]

Mhm

Right yeah so like

When laning and stuff right

Is it more important to focus on the creeps than the players?

[vivid nimbus]

It's a balance? But if you're there and not getting denied you get as much as if you're securing

[spring tundra]

Fair enough

I don’t really pay much attention to if they’re denying but I’ve never noticed anyone doing it

I don’t do it unless I’m feeling spiteful even though I know you should lmao

[vivid nimbus]

If they're denying it has a very distinctive noise

Oh, if you deny, you (and lane buddy) get those souls

[ivory reef]

when are you guys free in general

[spring tundra]

Yeah it’s just a lot of extra effort imo

I’m gonna be honest I also need to get more efficient at clearing waves

[whole moon]

Often in the afternoon (PST) cause i work nights and she’s currently on the job hunt!

[ivory reef]

oh like now?

Mrr having a bad day, maybe tomorrow if you're generally free around now

[torn gulch]

Okay, so

I will not speak on more advanced concepts

But in general

You should move in when you have more troopers than enemy

And

Preferably have waves crashing in on all times

[whole moon]

ahahah, null sweat, null sweattt

i'd have to foce my abby to get over her brainworms and join she's nervous about pilot net as gf of mod

just gotta put more dewormer in her drinks

[torn gulch]

You can then focus on denying and trading while the enemy has to think about securing, denying, trading, and avoiding the trooper damage + you get healing trooper quicker so you might have hp advantage + ability to just fuck off and do boxes/sinners/grab buffs/gank other lane

[whole moon]

alos hi hello friends can you tell me. can you tell me. how do i actually build victor bc i've been playing street brawl and going GIVE ME LIFESTEAL ON SPIRIT DAMAGE RN AND ALL THE DAMAGE RESIST U GOT

[torn gulch]

This is about how you play victor

[astral lava]

the spiritual victor

[whole moon]

okay! yay~!

[torn gulch]

There is a gun victor but I haven't seen one in a while so I assume it's dogshit

[whole moon]

i assume it can do work bc its very cute as guns go but

im here to press 3 then 2

[spring tundra]

Hey

And 1

[torn gulch]

Expansion items are usually really good, infuser if you can get it is the victor itdm

Refresher is really funny

[whole moon]

1 is sometimes food when someone actually runs far enough away

[vivid nimbus]

The pain battery's T3 (heal based on missing health) is very good for keeping you alive

[vivid nimbus]

I actually had enhanced refresher on Victor in a brawl and it was funny but not for the usual reasons

The enemy team went "oh god why" when I bought it, but then I only got to use ult once before walker fell XD

[lavish grove]

Oh boy, I have some Victor advice

In general for Victor, you’re looking for 3 different types of items:

Items for damage
Items for survivability
Items to stick to people

If an item doesn’t do one of these three things, consider dropping it. If an item does multiple of these things, consider rushing it.

Early game you generally want to grab extra spirit, extra charge and extra regen.

Then you have some choices in lane, generally either increasing lane power via items like mystic regeneration, healing booster, extra stamina enduring speed or rush straight for torment pulse as a big spirit spike. This really depends from game to game and how good you’re doing in lane.

After you get torment pulse your building opens up a lot, however I really enjoy this build I found

Any combination of these items with appropriate counter buying should be fine tbh

You can run something like kinetic dash instead of stamina mastery if you want a bit more gun damage at the cost of some stickiness however

[whole moon]

oh im glad to see escalating exposure bc i fell in love with it in street brawl

[lavish grove]

It is genuinely his best damage tier 4

You probably want infuser as your first tier 4

But afterwards yah escalating exposure is kinda crazy on him

[worldly dirge]

i remember getting refresher in the first round of brawl as seven and double ulting, it was hilarious

[lavish grove]

Oh also, I’d actually recommend using it essentially on cooldown

[spring tundra]

Pretty much anyone who does repeated spirit damage loves EE

it’s gross

It’s a gross item

[lavish grove]

Late game especially you take so much damage constantly that pain battery has like, a 4 second cooldown on average

And if you rush the tier 3 upgrade for it which I also recommend you get 1/4th of your health back per pain battery

Which also being a strong damage spell on its own

[vivid nimbus]

I tend to run Leech but yeah, a healing tier 4 item

[finite patrol]

rapid recharge is a top tier pickup if you can get it in sb. id say the biggest things to look out for are, in no particular order after rapid recharge:

• spirit lifesteal (leech/infuser)
• enduring speed / fleetfoot (juggernaut)
• mystic expansion (put on aura) / greater expansion / ballistic enhancement
• frenzy / berserker
• resiliences
• mystic vuln (escalating)

most of the legendaries are good on him. seraphim wings tho is kind of meh. knockdown and phantom strike are good situationals against flyers

[rich grove]

or people with shitter channeled ults like bebop/seven

[finite patrol]

ps doesn't help there so much but yeah kd dows

[rich grove]

in street brawl you need to hyper-prioritize items like knockdown because chances are good nobody else will ever get offered them and you just stop being able to play the game

[vivid nimbus]

And also there's a good chance your target doesn't get offered dispell or counterspell or unstop so they're just out of options

[spring tundra]

This feels like the deadlock patch notes every time I look at them

[agile void]

no E shift?

[vivid nimbus]

https://i.redd.it/3v6dekmc7qng1.jpeg

[spring tundra]

Yeah pretty much

Like I apperantly missed that calico is hyperfucked now for reasons that are like

Totally beyond me

[agile void]

she basically gets 200 more souls per hero kill if she kills soon after swiping them with her 2

basically more snowball potential

[lavish grove]

I prefer other items personally

[frail jasper]

It's 300 IIRC, so every kill is a fat injection of unsecured souls for her since her 2 is always going to be used as part of a kill combo.

[vivid nimbus]

Also her 2 can't be juked by getting too close to her

And her ult doesn't trip on knee-high ledges

[agile void]

Fair enough, I just see it similar to how infuser is, a good offensive item that can help you survive

[whole moon]

same which is really helpful to me just starting out

I don’t know my buttons yet

[spring tundra]

Mhm

So like

She’s not actually that busted, just good at Econ?

Or maybe that is an insane boost

And I don’t realize it lol

[agile void]

You are getting more money

[vivid nimbus]

IME, having a good build guide was really helpful to learning heroes and items

Especially annotated ones

[agile void]

in a game where more money = more power

[spring tundra]

Fair enough

I do think it’s a flavor win tho

Yknow, she’s a hitman

So on

[agile void]

Worth pointing out

Vindicta had that on ult

[spring tundra]

I do have to say I love calico except for… uh, the cat

[agile void]

the devs took it away

[spring tundra]

Mhm

[whole moon]

G-d annotation would be so helpful bc someone annotated ricochet for my Mina build and then I got three love bites at once

[spring tundra]

Did she have that AND the damage stacks

On her ult?

[lavish shale]

the cat is a rotation tool

[whole moon]

they were right it feel so good

[lavish shale]

it makes you go really fast

[lavish grove]

the secret is being good at econ is busted

[agile void]

no just the econ, still they took it away

[vivid nimbus]

Damage stacks was the replacement

But now that her bullet damage scales with spirit that damage stacking looks solid (the spirit and kill bonuses multiply)

[spring tundra]

Mhmhm

I think the damage stacking is really good and cool

[vivid nimbus]

And AIUI, lightning scroll Vindicta is very funny

[spring tundra]

Also makes more sense she’s not a hired killer
Idk tho if Econ advantage is just hard “this is busted” they should probably stop giving people econ advantage

[somber creek]

how does Silver Deadlock already have a displate

https://displate.com/displate/9700504

[lavish shale]

I'm kinda surprised at the reaction to Calico, she didn't even get that many buffs this patch other than the extra souls

[finite patrol]

225 now it got nerfed

[vivid nimbus]

Looks like fanart, and not by Thoky, the original artist is Roman Antipev

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/4NJ69Y

[somber creek]

Huh

Wonder if that's stolen

This Displate was created by an independent artist. It may feature trademarks, designs, copyright-protected works, images of public figures or other rights. Unless expressly stated otherwise, the respective rights owners have not consented to the offer and sale of the Displate.

wait huh

[finite patrol]

????

[somber creek]

Oh wait so that's just the artist merch disclaimer

[vivid nimbus]

Yeah sounds like the "stolen art T-shirt" problem

[somber creek]

I have to give them my ADDRESS to report it?

[mossy lance]

huh????????

[finite patrol]

presumably to stem copyright trolls? doesnt seem like it'd be very effective

[spring tundra]

Yeah displate is not an official merch marketplace

It’s basically Etsy for a specific product

Is my understanding

[magic summit]

Part of the calico thing is she is much more consistent regarding basically every part of her kit

[merry verge]

Plus she gets all the bonus souls from the sewers etc etc

[magic summit]

Slash is easier to use, bombs are easier to use, ult and slash has better mobility, just a lot of things that make her actually land her damage

I honestly skimmed over her gun changes but that seemed like also a consistency thing

[vivid nimbus]

Moving the damage amp from ult to Ava is also a big help I imagine

[magic summit]

Oh right. The melee changes help her a lot too, that and the backstabber to stalker change

[spring tundra]

Which deadlock character would you most want to enter a committed romantic relationship with

We hear about people’s thirst picks all the time

But who would you grow old with chat

[undone galleon]

silver

nothing abt a committed romantic relationship means itd make either person better

[spring tundra]

That’s true!

[undone galleon]

i was gonna say mina but i dont think she woulda been committed on account of the everything

silver does not want to leave her shit if nothing else

[spring tundra]

Mhmhm

I mean okay I have an alternative pitch

Which is that Mina could also possibly be a super possessive freak

[undone galleon]

i think how possessive she is is directly correlated to the attached status

[spring tundra]

That’s fair

I’m assuming in all cases of this hypothetical the person feels genuine romantic feelings for you to the best of their ability

[undone galleon]

this is why mina/pocket remains the freakiest yuri so far

[spring tundra]

I seeeee

Good

I was just thinking about when they add skins it would be cool to see femme pocket maybe

[undone galleon]

i like to think of pocket as tma butch

[magic summit]

The only possible way I would like that is if they did a line of genderbend skins for characters and then for Pocket it changes literally nothing

[undone galleon]

finally doorwoman real

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330>
@feral umbra @verbal rock @ivory reef @vast sandal Its Wednesday night! deadlock in 55min!

[finite grotto]

ya i am down!

[finite patrol]

sweet

Did yall skip the eu one today?

[finite grotto]

ye I wasnt around to ping it and the others also seemed not around

[vast sandal]

aye

[vivid nimbus]

I'm down

[feral umbra]

oooo I'm down

[stable forum]

is it bad that I do this?

like fairly often

team was trying to take this walker for 5-10 minutes, I go 'i can all in that and kill it'

'i'll just die on this walker'

[solid glen]

Its what I do and I think it's good, because your getting a permanent upgrade for a temporary loss

[stable forum]

Also I hit some Shots

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1481451792867790959/57E4111.MP4?ex=69b35cff&is=69b20b7f&hm=adcc6100fb9081b6dc457138b3510f420fbb0cb995690e5a09aeca1338bf0807&

[lavish grove]

More miserable pocket Mina from @ rosewaterjelly

[glass flicker]

The Mountain Goats wrote a song about this once

Several, in fact!

[undone galleon]

i cant let deadlock put me back in the animatic mines

[lavish grove]

I don’t know them

[glass flicker]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fqGKZ3fzN1M&list=RDfqGKZ3fzN1M&start_radio=1&pp=ygUabm8gY2hpbGRyZW4gbW91bnRhaW4gZ29hdHOgBwE%3D

Here it’s a very happy song! 😄

[finite patrol]

@finite grotto @feral umbra @vivid nimbus @vast sandal N33XN
https://discord.com/channels/426286410496999425/1481452831713267893
<@&1277035919182008330> Need 1 more.

Im just muted in vc rn

eating

[vast sandal]

Be there in a sec

[finite grotto]

ye coming in 5!

[finite patrol]

N33XN

[open nova]

see this watch? i got it by Crying. my car? crying. my beautiful wife? Crying. My perfect teeth? Crying. now get the fuck out of my office
- Mina

I can't get the idea of "Pouting your way into immortality" out of my head

[undone galleon]

that is literally what she did

[spring tundra]

I wish I could pout my way into being a vampire that would rule

[glass flicker]

Honestly she’s goals

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> Room for 2 more

FT1TZ

[spring tundra]

Wanna make…. A deadlock OC…….

[gray otter]

have you seen this?
https://www.tumblr.com/junijwi/810452663154212864/i-made-a-deadlock-character-template-its?source=share

Juni Draws

I made a Deadlock Character Template!

It's available in clip studio, sai2, and affinity photo formats. No .psd unfortunately because I no longer subscribe to adobe products and the exports to psd don't retain text editability anyways :(

You'll want to download and install the fonts before opening the files!

I alsoooo made a toyhou.se friendly HTML version:...

Tumblr · Mar 7, 2026, 6:24 PM

[spring tundra]

OH SHIT

Also I just had a great idea

Grey Alien spy extremely poorly pretending to be a human

Jämes Gray

Ray gun that does piss poor damage but is a little expanding ring as his primary

Ult where a flying saucer comes and tractor beams someone (get back to you on the effects of that)
Wanna fit a shrink ray in there somewhere

[undone galleon]

theres a lot u can cook up for deadlock

magic jim hoffa-style labor union-mobster

pancho villa-esque up-and-comer in the new york prizefighting scene,,

[finite patrol]

when youre feeling rusty. just play the shotgun wall slam melee guy 😌

oh jeez i was on a 6 loss streak before that last win

[late hare]

this is also a Hellboy guy which feels fitting

[spring tundra]

What

[late hare]

finding this to be an oddly complicated thing to explain

[spring tundra]

Do you just mean it’s a character that could be in hellboy

And that they’re v similar properties aesthetically

[late hare]

no I'm specifically referring to an extant Hellboy character

[spring tundra]

Or is that a literal existing hellboy character

Oh!

[late hare]

The Visitor

[raven spindle]

Haze.

McGinnis if I want to not worry about money ever again, but increase my chances of being shot in an alleyway by a Luigi type

[spring tundra]

Very pragmatic of you

(Also still taking answers on that)

[late hare]

he's originally a side character who kinda shows up out of nowhere in Conqueror Worm and gives Hellboy the means to seal the titular worm, but he gets his own comic later about how he's actually been following Hellboy for his whole life disguised as a human with the ostensible mission of assassinating him to prevent The End Times (though he balked at doing so when Hellboy was a child and later when Hellboy turned out to be a generally prettty good person)

[spring tundra]

God hellboy rocks

They could just put hellboy into this game full stop and I’d go “fair enough”

[undone galleon]

i mean they did

his names abrams

[spring tundra]

No glove

[astral lava]

Tome is close enough

[spring tundra]

Speaking of the time do we know literally anything about it

[astral lava]

Red Hellboy - Green Abrams = Blue Abrams. I believe the math speaks for itself

1949

[undone galleon]

vaguely interwar yea

[astral lava]

[Probably]

[spring tundra]

TOME

I meant tome

[astral lava]

Oh lol

well its bad, everyone wants it, its strong, it stuns if you slam the ground with it

[spring tundra]

Mhm

Is that about it

[astral lava]

Yeah

Presumably siphon life comes from it aoso

[spring tundra]

Also very amused that abrams wants to essentially give the patrons the tome

[astral lava]

99% of it comes from abrams' background entry

[whole moon]

fucks me up that abhrams is samoa joe

like positive

but was not expecting that

[hallow zenith]

I think he wants to use the patrons to blow it up?

[hallow zenith]

Does it still have Oathkeeper's sigil in it?

[vivid nimbus]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rqzd11/low_cortisol_viscous_gaming/

[vast sandal]

I’m gonna have to stop playing Calico if pub matches are gonna keep stretching to hour long 1M soul total slugfests

[agile rune]

Why

[vast sandal]

Really steep power drop off once you can’t quickly assassinate people anymore

Hits around 40k souls per person or so

Real brutal

[agile rune]

Good to know

I will be forcing the grind

[vast sandal]

You can speed up her falloff by countering her damage too lol

[agile rune]

that I already do

[finite grotto]

I love playing bruiser celeste

[agile rune]

you cannot claim to be a bruiser if you spend half the game bouncing around above my head

[finite grotto]

its a tanky celeste build where you stick close to the enemy a lot and chase

above your head is still in your vicinity hehe

[late hare]

grrr I’m not doing well in a lot of my matches and I don’t really know what to do about it

[agile rune]

what character?

[late hare]

a couple, probably too many, but the recent ones have been Bebop, Kelvin, Viscous, and Graves

[agile rune]

solo queue I assume?

[late hare]

depends

I’m not even sure how to diagnose the problem because there’s too many things in tandem

[torn gulch]

Well, might want to pick up the replay section and what over it and try to coldly and consciously analyze it

But then again, might not work if you don't know what to search for

The stats are helpful too

[agile rune]

might help to stick to smaller roster of characters

[torn gulch]

Damage breakdown and see if you got good trooper damage until minute 20

[late hare]

I probably need to learn slightly better macro because of technical issues I’ve gone over ad nauseam

[torn gulch]

Are you making sure to crash the 4:30 wave or at least try to etc

[late hare]

Not familiar

I’m not even entirely sure how one manages waves other than “try not to get pushed under guardian forever”; League skills don’t seem perfectly transferable here

[agile rune]

kill them

it's on sight with troopers

[vast sandal]

pick a lategame carry
get face caved in by fucking Bebop, spend entire game trying to catch up to relevancy in fights, lose with no kill participation and 6 deaths
pick a midgame menace
watch the match timer tick over 40 minutes and feel the clammy hand of death on your shoulder
pick a support
watch the people who decide the match decide it without you

[agile rune]

I'm so glad you've latched onto my terminology luna

[torn gulch]

Probably can't under eternus but

[agile rune]

join me tokyo drifting into the midgame luna

[torn gulch]

There is pseudo freezing in that now people have to walk up to get souls

So if you intentionally let the wave push

And jump over it/around it to pressure without trooper aggro

You can deny a wave

[vast sandal]

calico is a midgame menace in the flavor of being a lane bully who just repeatedly puts her fist through your skull before bouncing out of your personal space in lane and then wanders off to kill people when the ten minute mark hits

[late hare]

gotcha. admittedly, dunno if that helps me

[torn gulch]

But overall, it really is just keep pushing the troopers under enemy objective

[vast sandal]

she's like Apollo but burstier

[agile rune]

Drifter is a midgame menace in that if I ever catch you outside lane I'm putting the boot in your ribs

and in the midgame I can be anywhere

[vast sandal]

people not pinging Drifter missing

is a crime frankly

[torn gulch]

And if you got troopers pushed you need to make a little mental calculation of
-can I dive them
-can I trade them
-Can I gank someone
-can I catch a buff
If none applicable, run boxes

Get familiar with boxes routes on lanes because they really do build up to meaningful souls advantage

[agile rune]

ideally my teammate is a carry/hypercarry so they keep the enemy attention on them

or a tank

worst laning partner is weirdly supports

[late hare]

A part of me feels like I have to play supports or we won’t have any

[vast sandal]

okay but also we gotta put out there that the way to get pushed up is a linear combination of

• getting wave prio (killing troopers faster than your opponents)
• shoving them off their lane (beating their asses with pokes)
• catching them with their pants down doing non-lane tasks like jungle, boxes, etc. and exploiting that

there's a rhythm to lane and winning it

[agile rune]

good news is, imo, you don't need one

it helps and is good

but not like required

[vast sandal]

supports are a hazy concept in Deadlock anyways

[agile rune]

does mean you might have to buy support items

[late hare]

but playing support, as mentioned, means fully putting the game in teammates hands vs. if I’m playing Geist (for example) then I can still kinda execute some things on my own because bomb hits like a truck

[agile rune]

or someone might

[vast sandal]

like is Paradox a support?

I think Paradox is a support with bruisery characteristics personally

her grenades are kind of a monstrosity now though, the happy fun balls don't just soften enemy teams up anymore they fucking kill you if you stand in them

[agile rune]

Paradox is a Bastard

she is a support, she has a support ult

[vast sandal]

she also has walls, which are ostensibly a support tool

[agile rune]

I think there's a few ways to classify support

either: economically (they can take very little of the soul farm and provide near equal benefit to the team) or mechanically (has abilities that do things to help the team i.e. heals and stuns)

[whole moon]

watched my baby kinda shred with venator

seems like fun…

[agile rune]

church and state

[whole moon]

mostly it was having eighty in the clip with bullet lifesteal and Grenades

trap down a choke then spray

[agile rune]

his ult does +5 damage to mina and drifter and that's so fuckin funny

[whole moon]

that is VERY funny

[tidal elm]

He does shoot stakes so
You got that extra spite

[echo viper]

Then there's the fucked up stuff like Slark Support in Dota 2. But yeah, this is why I like the position 1-5 structure since it delineates the presumed farm priority of each hero

[agile rune]

like some abilities, like paradox's ult, are good just for what they, without any modification

in her case dumping an enemy/the enemy team, in the lap of your team

[narrow rover]

that’s my main

careful

[narrow rover]

I think she can fill a lot of awkward roles

but she’s defo supporting/utility

I don’t think she can flex into a carry slot, but she has the potential to do some good dmg

[agile rune]

off carry

[narrow rover]

defo something like that

[agile rune]

I think she occupies the same sorta slot as someone like drifter, Ivy, vindicta

probably not your main carry but can do carry-ish things with some utility

to varying values on that spectrum

[narrow rover]

variable based on build and overall game state

Vindicta is absolutely supposed to be an off carry

[jovial yacht]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/Ggj3Mxq5lj

What do you guys think?

Should deadlock have a surrender button?

[agile rune]

most things in deadlock are

[jovial yacht]

Cuz from my games, so far, comebacks are really often

Or at least close games

[narrow rover]

most things in moba's are, but it feels more...defined? in dox's case

no on the surrender button because if someone does leave, I can abandon shortly after them with no penalty vs playing an already uphill 5v6

[agile rune]

dox's?

[narrow rover]

paradox

[agile rune]

ah

[narrow rover]

dox

geist needs a rework, change my mind

[agile rune]

explain your reasoning

[narrow rover]

pov: im winning a fight

she presses 4

[agile rune]

ok but an ult that doesn't even guarantee a single kill is pretty eh

or say it does guarantee the kill, and she heals up

mo & krill ult has the same end result

I think the health swap is cute

[narrow rover]

it doesnt, but not a lot of ults do

I mean

they "do" but they dont

I can escape a wraith ult, I can dodge a vindicta ult, I can counter spell x y z or use an active on em

so on and so forth

idk what I can do about an ult that loses me a 1v1, besides try to outspace her

or build sm sustain that I can save myself from only her ult

which is cool n whatnot

but in a team fight, it effectively guarantees my death if she comms her ult

[agile rune]

I mean that's a pretty reasonable thing for a duelist ult on a duelist character

[narrow rover]

maybe im sipping some haterade and I need to step back

[agile rune]

maybe, I do think her ult definitely isn't bad but I also think ults are a bad place to start from when pitching a rework

[narrow rover]

it isnt bad, and I dont think the whole char needs a rework

just the ult really triggers me, but I also can play around that

cuz I close in and get too close sometimes

[agile void]

holy https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rrgzo3/night_shift_29_hero_priority/

I knew Mo was strong

[agile rune]

if your angle is her ult needs a change but her kit in general is fine, ok yeah I can get behind that

[agile void]

but I did not expected mo to get "6 times ban" treatment

[agile rune]

I dunno what kinda billy they're toking but he has not had that kinda smoke for me

[final osprey]

billy is really good in pro matches, like between his ult and health

[jovial yacht]

Why is mo and krill banned so much?

[final osprey]

M/K got big damage buffs. Especially to his ult

[jovial yacht]

also how does this work? i thought deadlock does not have a draft system

[final osprey]

and M/K was already pretty good in some situations

[agile rune]

this is pro play

I also thing the tunnel mobility also helps m & k

[short quiver]

It doesn't yet

Pros just use their own

[earnest verge]

Definitely yeah

Her ult has never felt problematic to me, granted that I play in stacks with voice comms so problems that are ideally coordinated around as a team aren't too bad

But otherwise yeah you just have to play around it, nbd

[agile void]

Also the 2 ways to make her ult useless is silence her

or literally dont be nearby her

[agile rune]

silence is good against basically every character in the game tbf

[earnest verge]

Or just don't get too low in the first place (which, yeah, staying away and playing range can help with that, though there's also other ways)

[agile void]

if you keep the spacing she has to buy mobility items, which fucks over her kill potential

[agile rune]

I do think counting it as a counter against an ult is a bit silly

[agile rune]

or get her lowish then burst her down fast so she doesn't get to a place where it feels nice to rip the ult

[final osprey]

Didnt realise there were multiple McGinnis picks this week. Kind of epic

[agile void]

hell isnt she still using the gun build?

one thing that is surprising to me is that silver is up there

didnt they basically fucked her over a lot? was that old bias?

[agile rune]

always interesting to see someone like venator, 8 p/b no first round

[agile void]

also Iirc, in proplay vyper technically did the job of Mo, she was the lockdown but she could also dish out damage on the side

I did not expected that to be the ONLY reason mo was not picked

[final osprey]

Starting to watch the matches, she is getting team upped with characters who can support her broken wolf legs.
Like Kelvin slowing people down a lot or doming them. Rem sleep ect.

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1rr4g0n/when_you_unlock_reading_comprehension_and/

[agile rune]

I mean that's stuff you wanted to do even before

at least that was my understanding

[final osprey]

before you wanted it but you didnt need it is my understanding

[agile rune]

that makes sense

I'm genuinely surprised drifter has such a low pick rate but pros tend to coordinate a lot better so the isolations are a lot harder to get

[torn gulch]

Ngl

Eido was cooking when he pitched silent wave in his build

on Silver

[agile void]

I do imagine the only real spirit items silver can build are counter/active items and duration

[torn gulch]

i don't mean like as a counter item

i mean as an actual part of blowing heads smooth off regular gameplan

[agile void]

focus lens would be nice if Silver could take advantage of the build up of spirit sap

[torn gulch]

The idea is that

you can bola + silence wave

and the enemy just kinda has to sit there or shoot at you

[agile rune]

I mean that's not really a choice

they will shoot at you

so what's vindicta building these days? hybrid?

[narrow rover]

she swaps health with you

so if I burst her down and she closes the gap and ults, suddenly im the low one

but I digress, you are correct, range/distance, and silence is the way

[earnest verge]

Oh right my bad, but yeah I've had a perfectly fine time dealing with her using multiple different approaches

Burst works, range works, silence works, waiting for M+K to ult her works, stuns work etc

[agile rune]

when in doubt, if someone is being a pain and taking over the game, simply do not fight them

avoid them

[narrow rover]

yeah theres many different approaches and I can recognize that now, I was just sipping copium out of a red cup

yall are very much correct

[agile rune]

one of my regular stack has started playing vindicta and vindicta drifter lane is so fun

[ivory reef]

Fwiw her ult is like, a weaker version of a dota ult

There's a version of her I've already had to fight where they run around at 1hp and hyper speed with true invisibility (no shimmer) and then they ult you out of invisibility so you have 1hp and then they kill you

Very funny. Anyway we won that game

[narrow rover]

so im a geist player now...

[ivory reef]

It's so much investment for a single kill and the counter strats are much more efficient

[ivory reef]

Hell yeah, go for it

[narrow rover]

oh absolutely, but imagine how pissed off that 1 dude that you ult will be

[ivory reef]

... I mean, that was me

I wasn't pissed

[narrow rover]

I played her a lot in late 2024/pre item shop rework and I enjoyed her, I just cant get behind the playstyle now

[ivory reef]

I just won the game

[narrow rover]

true but you're a minority in the moba community, aka you're level headed

[ivory reef]

You need to like. This is a bigger lesson here: you need to not get emotionally invested in tiny little micro moments and social contracts you invent in your head like "every 1v1 is a fight I should be able to win"

[ivory reef]

No I'm the majority in the Dota community

I think you're thinking of league

Like in dota there are just extremely clear predator prey dynamics

@bleak thicket plays shadow shaman. She plays a character who builds an instant screen range teleport and then a channeled stun that holds any enemy down for like 7 seconds, at range. She's much much stronger than mo and krill

But she has zero damage and the hold has no damage

If she's caught alone she will always die

Always

But with a team she's a pick queen

You just have to accept that like, you will never 1v1 a given enemy or whatever

That's okay

Just win the game instead

[narrow rover]

okay yeah true

[ivory reef]

If Jenny gets caught by some teleporting invisible assassin under cover of anti ward jamming (a real thing in dota) she's just gonna die and shrug and report where the enemy team is

[narrow rover]

i’ve just assumed most moba players are like league players

[ivory reef]

Yeah

[narrow rover]

my experiences with dota were bad, but not because of the players

[ivory reef]

I've mentioned this many times in this thread but deadlock is just dota

[narrow rover]

deadlock has some pretty bad people icl

they just get stuffed into low priority queues

[ivory reef]

Dota has insanely juiced tools and options you need to treat with a lot of respect

You are going to die in dota/deadlock and you died at the step where you didn't leave before the fight began ten seconds ago

Like if you're focusing on the fight itself you've missed the step where you needed to correct, usually infosec and repositioning

I play with a new player @sweet cobalt and there are just a lot of moments where I can glance at the minimap and go "you need to leave 5 seconds ago or you'll die in 5 seconds" and then people kill them as I predicted and honestly there was nothing they could do when the fight started

No skill issue from them

Map awareness and threat analysis is just a really important skill

It's not something you really learn from other games you just gotta take your losses

[narrow rover]

yeah league has helped me with map awareness. and it wasn-…well, it was map awareness and threat assessment in dota, but it was also the different mechanics

and the different systems etc etc

for some reason, deadlock has just kinda clicked better, not sure why. maybe I should go back to dota tbh

[ivory reef]

You may be right, I have no experience with league, it may be similar

[ivory reef]

I'll be subjective and harsh here and say that dota is just a better game

[narrow rover]

I have moments like that a lot with my friends when I play with them/watch them play

it’s kinda funny

[narrow rover]

neither subjective nor harsh

[ivory reef]

It's a bit reductive

[narrow rover]

It’s widely agreed that dota is the superior moba

[ivory reef]

League is designed like a fighting game

You are broadly meant to have an out in every fight by just piloting your abilities very well

It's a design that is fun for what it is

[narrow rover]

league and fun?

https://tenor.com/view/saozrse420-spongebob-gif-21827163

nah I hear what you’re saying tho

[ivory reef]

Dota is like a military engagement I dunno. Like you are just not gonna get air support until you take out their AA. But if you get air superiority you've won forever

You need to treat yourself as a strategic piece of a bigger machine

[narrow rover]

league is like chess, dota is like a war machine 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[ivory reef]

Sure lmao

Anyway deadlock is trying to marry them in a very cool way

But you need to keep the dota DNA in mind

[narrow rover]

yeah dota is very much like “you’re not the main character” type shit

[ivory reef]

Yeah exactly

You really aren't

[astral lava]

Weirdly I always felt more individually capable in dota than in league

[narrow rover]

I think you’ve convinced me to try dota again. no guarantees i’ll stick with it but for rn i’ll give it a go

[astral lava]

League regularly feels like sometimes you just cant stop whatever is happening to you

[narrow rover]

tbh, i’m sure that’s par the course in any moba

[astral lava]

<- has not played in Many Years

[narrow rover]

some games may have more situations like that than others, but i’m sure it happens in all of them

[narrow rover]

stay away

[ivory reef]

https://youtu.be/H786P7xRxJY here's @bleak thicket selling her items to buy the teleport to any unit boots to base race

[narrow rover]

danger keep away

[ivory reef]

https://youtu.be/5bsEnd0Hc1c

[narrow rover]

will watch when I get back to my pc, this already sounds like a fun watch

[ivory reef]

Second link is a whole team trying to kill me but failing cause of all my backup systems triggering

Wait this is perfect for my point:

https://youtu.be/UdzxHyKspx8

5v4 and the enemy team kills us. As the fight begins I realize @mild flume can actually just kill the entire enemy team and I cast a global portal for him as I die

He steps through and 1v5s the enemy team and we win

I was not gonna win that fight. But I knew who could. That's dota

[narrow rover]

honestly I really like this particular sentence

I need more games like that because (specifically in the case of playing with my friends bc their MMR is in the shitter) I quite literally am the main character MOST of the time

I want to stress that I am NOT stroking my ego here, I am an average player. my friends are just…very below average

[ivory reef]

It happens yeah

[narrow rover]

but yeah, I got dota reinstalling as we speak. fuck you (/j) and thank you for dragging me back to dota

[somber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1481664276430196946/2491lnpldmog1.png?ex=69b422e3&is=69b2d163&hm=ab41c693a889ded4954f1da7d6eccb666bad78f773a890c4d02ae6167b888df8&

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/az0TPamPwTQ

"Ah yes, Frame data in a MOBA"

[still swan]

I know pretty much every character in the game and what they can do

Except for shiv

What's their deal

[torn gulch]

Tbf playing toplane in league it is sometimes like this. Splitpushing and seeing everyone disappear from the map and just going "uh oh i'm about to die I hope my team does something on the map"

[agile void]

They are just a pure tank that can dish out damage, and also his ult is a health reduction by basically saying "Everyone in the enemy team has 25% less health"

[narrow rover]

usually built as a spirit bruiser/tank, can throw knives that bleed targets, has a weird dash thing that does something (i forgot) his 3 does something else, I forgot. and his ult is an execute

you USED to be able to get some freak nasty gun builds tho, idk if they're still good

[final osprey]

2 now gives negative spirit res, and when at max rage it activates twice.
On top of rage giving bonus damage

[finite patrol]

why bring it up if you dont know what half his kit does :P

1. knives, Ranged skillshot bleed dot
2. high damage dash that reduces spirit resistance and that stacks.
3. buffers % of damage taken so you lose that hp over time. can activate to heal
4. another dash but this one only hits one hero and executes them
   his shotgun alt fire gives a momentum boost and knock backs targets slightly meaning he has a unique movement tool.

[narrow rover]

I mean I knew what MOST of it did

knife, dash, ?, execute

thats like, 99% of it

basically an A

[finite patrol]

Bloodletting Elephant: "address me"

[agile void]

to be fair Everyone agrees that bloodletting is a really weird skill

[finite patrol]

they put two very problematic skills on the same guy

[jovial yacht]

God fuck

I got a close game as paige but our calico hard carry our asses

Hidden King on finale stage but we killed them

[finite patrol]

always exciting to turn around a base defense

[jovial yacht]

To be fair, I and rem were left to defend base

So i'd say we pulled our weight

Their Wraith was dominating at 80k souls

holy shit does she shred

[finite patrol]

yeah wraith is a god once she gets full build

[jovial yacht]

In all honesty, i had divine barrier scourge, cursed relic and disarming hex

at the final base defense, i was just "random bullshit go"

i didn't even know who i was disarming or cursing, all i knew is that i had to stop them

[lavish grove]

Chat, I’m not crazy right they removed the item limit in street brawl?

[maiden ledge]

Playing more McGinnis instead of Vyper, she feels a lot better in my hands, but I'm not sure if I should be roaming as much

[maiden ledge]

Autosell

[lavish grove]

Ohhhh

[maiden ledge]

real honestly

[granite heath]

No I'm pretty sure they removed the limit

[hallow zenith]

They did

It was in the patch notes

[lavish grove]

Ok yah

[maiden ledge]

Oh wow

[maiden ledge]

where would I see the item list then? i just see the lowest tier items disappear from the hud thing so i thought it autosold

maybe I'll try seeing if the Tab display gives me everything next time i play

[edgy fog]

Haze has been completely dominating street brawls with me recently

It just gets to round three and she kills everyone with a spray of endless bullets or an ult

[merry verge]

PermaBanned Mo is very expected, such an interesting patch

[final osprey]

her ult got a big buff as it can now hit 2 people, which is even better in street brawl as there's only 4 people,
And fixation got a big spirit scaling buff

[edgy fog]

Like here, the oppponent got rolled, and it's cause HJaze has 20K damage already

[final osprey]

There's not much you can do about Burst Fire, Surge of Power and Ricochet in Street Brawl
Especially with an Ivy backing it up

[lavish grove]

Man, I tried out weighted shots silver in a street brawl and like, man I don’t like this item

[merry verge]

Silver needs to move too much

[lavish grove]

I know it’s objectively good but the movement speed penalty feels so bad

[final osprey]

I think weighted shots is probably really bad on Silver specifically

[merry verge]

Weighted Shots Venator though..

[final osprey]

Her main weakness is that she's sloooooooow. Especially after her ult speed getting nerfed this patch

One of the only characters who doesnt want to upgrade slowing bullets, but still wants to take it I think

[lavish grove]

I think it’s especially bad in wolf form

Even with the tier 2 upgrade

Because unless you have fleetfoot it means you move so slow when slashing

Which like, you should be doing for the most part

[merry verge]

I haaaaate the movespeed slow

I kind of stopped playing Silver

Which does bum me out some

But a lot of her villains got buffed and they broke her legs so like

I'm not going to make this Only Works When Ahead type character work, especially solo

[lavish grove]

It feels so bad

[final osprey]

Silver moving around like how you'd assume Gray Talon would

[merry verge]

Curse is like an active nerf until investment

It's miserable

Vyper has a similar cooldown for a oneshot combo at low levels

[lavish grove]

Cursed relic?

[merry verge]

Lycan Curse

[lavish grove]

Ohhhh

[merry verge]

'Watch out! I'm now easier to escape!'

[lavish grove]

Honestly I’m thinking of starting to not upgrade my abilities in lane until I get Lycan form

And then immediately get it to tier 2

That’s probably a bad idea

But I do really want my resistances and movement speed

[final osprey]

It depends on how confident you are you can avoid losing lane that long whilst playing from behind

[lavish grove]

I’m not very I think

[merry verge]

Idk, I don't get why they got her like this. She was pubstompy but so is everyone

She could dive you under tower but so can half the cast

Any mobility at all and you're fine

And yet again she shows up in Night Shift to do nothing, Silver being broken is just bad PR /rant rant

[late hare]

it’s Yoshi Apollo bias smh my head

[merry verge]

I don't want her requiring a Kelvin Support to be strong orz

[lavish grove]

I didn’t think about it but yah Kelvin Silver probably would fuck

Problem is I don’t know any Kelvin players

[final osprey]

I was thinking of getting more into playing support Kelvin. The egg calls to me and he seems the one it's most viable on

[gray otter]

its solid on dynamo iirc

[late hare]

I’ve tried to play him a bit. IMO, he’s fun into certain characters whose game plan he can ruin, but like many supports he’s kinda putting the game in other people’s hands

[gray otter]

idk when you want to sell it tbh, seems like you want to hold it until laning phase ends?

[final osprey]

I think Dynamo waves are such good damage you can't really turn it down. Even if you're focusing more on support

[narrow rover]

hey, ill fill

[lavish grove]

Oh sick

[merry verge]

Kelvin holds hands stronger than other supports imo, you can really work around bad play

[gray otter]

are they such good damage that 10% is a meaningful penalty?

[lavish grove]

Mo and Krill is similar imo

Even if your carry is bad you can still fight decently well

[merry verge]

I try not to think about Mo and Krill

[lavish grove]

I think about Mo and Krill a lot

[merry verge]

Maybe if I don't look hard enough they'll leave

[late hare]

I felt like I had the opposite experience; Rem and Paige can fuck off and do macro stuff pretty easily to farm up and keep pressure elsewhere if team fights aren’t going your way, but Kelvin isn’t as good at that

[merry verge]

Ohh I meant more like..

[lavish grove]

If you don’t look they’ll just burrow

[merry verge]

Liiiike... Kelvin can more Assure a Fight Goes Well with bad teammates than them

He's such an enabler

[lavish grove]

The beam is such a powerful CC tool

[merry verge]

And easy for people to follow

Because of the giant directing beam

[lavish grove]

Yah

[gray otter]

i think paige might be the only support for whom i dont believe in egg

[lavish grove]

Also I think like, as weird as this sounds disablers like Kelvin are way better for helping bad players then enablers like Rem and Paige

Like if you suck at fighting, and you get a shield your ability to fight isn’t any better

[gray otter]

bc her 1 does genuinely do that much damage

[lavish grove]

You just last longer in a fight you’ll lose

Compared to that if your opponent is moving at 1 mile a hour

It’s a lot easier to fight that even if you’re bad

[lavish grove]

I’m not sure I believe on egg on anyone tbh

It hurts your ability to clear lane so much

And takes up a potentially more important item

[gray otter]

hm

[edgy fog]

Egg on Rem could work cause I use my minions to push

[lavish shale]

Still wish they would, even if I know they won't

[ivory reef]

This sounds like a British dish

[vast sandal]

the problem with surrender button is that it changes the culture around the game

people are already so mentally fragile around MOBAs and then you layer on the concept that if you don't think you got this, you can just FF and try again with the next matchmaking queue

[lavish shale]

Yes, that is the point

[astral lava]

Surrender button is bad

[vast sandal]

I mean personally

I don't want to encourage people to go "ur so bad ff pls" when I make a minor mistake in lane

[astral lava]

Deletes the concept of coming back from behind

[lavish grove]

I mean rn it’s not helped by the matchmaking being really bad right now

[vast sandal]

deadlock matchmaking is a little cooked rn

[lavish grove]

Like I get the overarching game design reasons to not have a surrender button

[astral lava]

God knows I was hitting that surrender button regularly in league but in dota I never wanted one except when I was first starting out and stupid at the game

[lavish grove]

But also, matchmaking right now is awful and will make extremely unbalanced games

[finite patrol]

I would like to try egg trophy hunter rem. im certain its terrible but big number funne

[astral lava]

Yeah once it gets resolved and this doesnt have Early Alpha Nonsense happening I think matchmaking will be less absurd

[lavish grove]

Yah

[vast sandal]

look my mentality right now is sometimes you're gonna get womboed by the matchmaking algorithm and put up against a team of 5 who coordinate ult combos (plus a yoloqueue enjoyer) and what you can do there is try to learn as much as you can

[edgy fog]

I will invent the Egg on Rem. Not sure what it'll be though.

[vital knoll]

I know the former rank 1 Victor, zzerial, is a hardcore egg believer on Victor but he hasn't fully decided when he's selling it yet

For my fellow Victor players his videos are MEGA helpful with his annotations of like... What's going through his head and explaining less obvious things

[vivid nimbus]

Some players will actually counterspell Geist ult on prediction because the many Geist players are that predictable with it

[narrow rover]

yk, valid

[vivid nimbus]

Every “oop she’s about to ult me yep there it goes” thought could have been a counterspell

[narrow rover]

maybe I should try it

[vast sandal]

healthswap is brutal but it's also close-range

you can fight her from outside swap range and if she closes in you know what she's trying to do

[vivid nimbus]

Disclaimer, I’m not good at counterspell either

[vital knoll]

Geist also hates being silenced

[vast sandal]

tbh I should try Geist

she is funny

[vital knoll]

I used to play her and then she became a gun character and I am bad at shooting people so I had to quit playing geist

[vivid nimbus]

AIUI, in last week’s patch spirit builds went from way weaker than gun to slightly weaker

[vital knoll]

Maybe I can play her again

[terse aspen]

Wait what? Geist became a gun character??

[vital knoll]

Oh yeah she was a gun character for a while

You'd max 2/3 and go kdash berserker frenzy spellslinger type stuff

https://statlocker.gg/builds/build-lab/268314

[whole moon]

????????? im talking about watching my gf do well in a character?

[vital knoll]

Deathy's build was heavy on movespeed too with kdash warp stone enduring speed tempo

[vivid nimbus]

Decent gun stats, 3 amps gun damage too, 2 and 4 add survivability

[vital knoll]

Plus people don't want to fight geist in her 2 so you could punish characters who try to get close

[narrow rover]

brudda twas some banter, I was poking fun bc I play venator a lot and hes my baby

[finite patrol]

you cannot escape or counter a wraith ult any longer hahaha

[vivid nimbus]

Oh also she can perma-stack berserker and spellslinger

Forgot to mention that part

[final osprey]

She can also always have max berserker stats, with her 3. Which also doesnt really damage her with Radient Regen

[finite patrol]

you are stunned repositioned and capacitored and there's nothing you can do about it

[rich grove]

ur glizz is gettin gulped buddy

[narrow rover]

stealing that one

[finite patrol]

wraith ult was scary before it's fucking terrifying now

[whole moon]

please don’t call me brother. im trying to understand what the banter IS. bc right now it mostly looks like you telling me off for mentioning a character and its odd, yes?

[narrow rover]

sorry bout the brother thing. also im just a troll, dont take me that seriously. NOTHING is that serious fam. the joke is that venator is my baby, dont take him etc

it coulda been worded funnier tho, true

its ironic bc we'll probably never get put into the same lobbies/games, its super unlikely at least

apologies that it came out like a personal attack though, I meant for it to be more playful

[whole moon]

playful mean is for when you know somebody, yeah?

[narrow rover]

depends on the person, and I made a bad read, twas my mistake

[whole moon]

just, think a bit what it reads as when someone’s being excited and interested about something and you go “Back off it’s mine” instead of, idk sharing in the excitement?

[narrow rover]

yeah venator is really cool

especially cuz he’s a gun carry, and I love gun carries

he’s got a nice mix of tank and dps potential, i’m surprised he wasn’t nerfed with the last round of patches and updates

[warm sonnet]

He's in a good place imo

[narrow rover]

word? I feel like he could do with a bit of a tone down

[vast sandal]

Venator is a weird character to me, he’s Shoot Gunman but instead of having an orb or a gun boost skill, he’s got a bunch of utility that he brings to support his own carry

[warm sonnet]

He's a set-up boy

[narrow rover]

initiator carry mix

[whole moon]

kickin those traps down chokes got so many kills…

[narrow rover]

traps under guardians, kicking em in door ways when you’re getting chased, choke points

mmm

juicy shit

he’s honestly just the breast char, he’s got lockdown/area denial of sorts, Aoe, CC, a fucking execution

pair him up with a burst mage or a solid support and you win every lane

or hell, even a proper engage and lockdown hero

i feel he’s really versatile in terms of lane synergy

[vast sandal]

He is because you’re not really needing a support to support him lol

He brings his own self-support kit instead

[errant sphinx]

I was gonna say wrt Geist ult it's strong but it also is like not thar great in team fights or in a 2v1 or whatever

[vast sandal]

The writing is on the wall, I don’t like Vyper because she melts trying to deal damage sometimes, I don’t like Calico falling off lategame, I don’t like Drifter’s massive commitment requirement

I need to return to playing Haze

[narrow rover]

yeah i played a Geist a bit ago and realized I was huffing copium

and I needed to do better

[narrow rover]

vyper almost has to be built bruiser

commitment with drifter?

[narrow rover]

Haze is super fun but I find it really hard not to fall into a bit of a 4 trap

[vast sandal]

Drifter has to jump into fights and then stay in until everyone is dead, his effective range is short and he has no escape option

[narrow rover]

oh I love that ngl, but I get the risk of it

I love being in the shit as much as I physically can

[errant sphinx]

Clearly the answer is u should play a support...

[narrow rover]

I do need a lane duo…>:)

[vivid nimbus]

Have you seen Luna's Doorman posting?

[narrow rover]

I’d love to play doorman, but i’d fall into a bell trap

i’d only throw bells and otherwise do nothing useful with my doors

[errant sphinx]

Nope

[vital knoll]

The only thing I know about doorman is that when you're in your hard lane (right? the side lane with sinners and no easy camp) you can do funny door things to steal enemy medium camps right at 6 minutes when they spawn

[vast sandal]

I play support a lot lol

My gripe has kinda been that you ultimately don’t have a lot of deciding power over the match as a support because, well, your job is to support your team, not deal da damage

[narrow rover]

that’s the shitty part yeah, I hate feeling powerless in that regard

[vast sandal]

Also yesterday I carted 3 more people into our spawn

No video clip because it didn’t kill any of them because they were on like 75k souls apiece

[errant sphinx]

If u want a 1v1 assassin like calico or drifter u could try yamato

Tho she also kinda has rhe commitment issue

[narrow rover]

i love yammin toes

I have like 3/4 clips of me doing crazy shit on her

[vast sandal]

Oh that’s a good idea

[somber creek]

Assassins usually have commitment issues

[warm sonnet]

Calico is a confirmed cat lady

[agile void]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/659418

finally a decent geist mod

[vast sandal]

Geist Investigations (ft. Abrams)

[agile void]

for the record geist either had horny mods or just recolors, this is the first drip she has

[vast sandal]

@lavish grove @ivory reef I bring you more Mina/Pocket from @iatekawa

[vestal hearth]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EGb1xm-aj-o

[finite grotto]

important question

is there a skin that turns ivy into a thwomp

[lavish grove]

Yooooooooo

[errant scarab]

just popping in to say that the buff to warden's T3 cage is incredible

get caged idiot

[agile void]

they need to get rid of his unstoppable wind up

[lavish grove]

I hope we get a character with a bolt action and bayonet in this game as a sorta Great War proxy

Probably someone who fought in ixia

[lavish grove]

Shoot your Rem in the head…

[late hare]

alright I take it back, maybe I am okay at this game

13 - 0

[vast sandal]

beepboop at work

[late hare]

they called me boptimus prime back in college

[finite patrol]

Nuffin mate, you explode!

[vast sandal]

to be honest

I find Bebop incredibly frustrating to fight

[finite patrol]

reactive barrier and its settled

unless you let the game go long

the bombs do keep scaling

[errant scarab]

TIME FOR GLORY

[somber creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1279436508662861824/1481761371191509013/its-over-chat-v0-m7jsooak3cog1.png?ex=69b47d50&is=69b32bd0&hm=5b17745ca5ee2614b0c2e5038a26d2e8c9e00c2e9ea1d8568e58744c4979fcb7&

[finite patrol]

usually this account is spot on but I think they've fucked up now

[agile void]

https://youtu.be/6r_zKUQ5STk

[errant scarab]

grey talon is fantastically bullshit in street brawl

nobody picks him because his model is weird and his walking animations are kinda jank which means you are nearly guaranteed to get horrific long-range murder machine every match

[finite patrol]

hes very scary in brawl

[shy quiver]

https://bsky.app/profile/woozysfm.bsky.social/post/3mguf6pigmk2q

WoozySFM (@woozysfm.bsky.social)

Silver gets stunlocked by Celeste 🐺✨
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Bluesky · Mar 12, 2026, 12:21 PM

[mild flume]

also my intense counterpicking the meepo action

ironic I'm now playing the horrible tunneling men in deadlock

funny how that works out

[finite patrol]

meepo and mnk are entirely different flavours of horrible but it is funny that there are multiple of either of them

[mild flume]

yes

multiple under ground multilad heroes

[agile void]

meepo I dont think will ever exist in deadlock

[errant scarab]

nobody thought rem or silver's mechanics would be in deadlock and yet here we are

meepo next patch confirmed

[agile void]

silver is melee half the time, not full time

and rem I dont even know what is the closest equivalent to him

[finite patrol]

splitscreen couch co op hero come on ice frog

[mild flume]

I think ricochet existing would be unpleasant for meepo lmao

[vivid nimbus]

I have no clue how control would work for a Meepo character

[mild flume]

yeah lol

[hallow zenith]

Meepo?

[finite patrol]

character in dota who is the same hero 5 times

you can control them independently

[agile void]

the ult at the very least would need to be the swap

[vivid nimbus]

And it works for Dota because Dota basically controls like an RTS

[finite patrol]

(how many there are ramps up as the game goes)

[agile void]

unless you want to say fuck it

make EVERY body an ability

and you swap by pressing

so he is functionally a skill less hero

[vivid nimbus]

But in Deadlock you have shooter controls and are actively inputting instructions at all times

Even walking forward in a straight line requires a finger on the W key

[agile void]

I could see maybe being able to control the bodies similar to mirage

pressing a key and telling the body to go to a part of the map

[vivid nimbus]

Do they act like walking turrets then when not being piloted as the primary?

[agile void]

I dont even know because all meepo dies if a meepo dies

so I dont know if they should lift that or do like that one hero in HotS

[vivid nimbus]

Which HotS hero?

Lost Vikings?

[agile void]

https://heroesofthestorm.fandom.com/wiki/Murky

this thing

[errant sphinx]

You could have a puppet character work in deadlock

Where ur abilities manipulate the puppet

Or like ur ult swaps ur 1 2 3 abilities to another set that all control the puppet

One ability could target a spot to have the puppet move there and the other abilities would be relative to its position

[vivid nimbus]

DBD Houndmaster

[rich grove]

playing sinclair generates the same darkness in my soul as carl vortex does

[upbeat perch]

does sinclair's assistant also come with her own corner?

[rich grove]

yeah its called the 890 damage vexing bolt aimed directly at dick level

[somber creek]

Dota technically is an RTS if you think about it

[vivid nimbus]

Just had a devious idea for Aghs for Sinclair: The assistant duplicates copied ults too

[glass flicker]

I don’t know who or what this thing is but i want to smash it with a hammer

[finite patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1281742836878020722/1481820037928194260/AQNk9IAo8dV6O5jWtKdX-DVh_kn0aagwbkWBYXB0-Qwqog06P2NYvWO_DDpZ1cGauSCzsbQNduNOUjiExKdNO9nnnBfma88BmR42m-s7Ig.mp4?ex=69b4b3f3&is=69b36273&hm=b6bf2110bab17f7670c2570141cf840216dd163e50e0c361ff3a4b0424012ff1&

[glass flicker]

(@rosewaterjelly)

Yesyesyesyes give me more

[lavish grove]

More from @ rosewaterjelly

[undone galleon]

truly beautiful minds at valve cooking up transbian arranged marriage

[agile void]

https://gamebanana.com/mods/659523

[glass flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/link-counsciousness-gif-13187339

Give me more doomed arranged marriage where neither of them are happy

[astral lava]

What on earth did they do to mcginnis ult

[finite patrol]

they have given it the power of "fucking killing you"

[vivid nimbus]

Hey it got nerfed two days ago

So imagine it being worse

[glass flicker]

(iatekawa)

@lavish grove

[agile rune]

Yohohohoho

[astral lava]

damn

my shit crashed and i had to restart my whole computer. rejoined but it was already game is safe to leave time. still stuck around and we won but is till eat the ban. rip

[finite patrol]

thank you for being a noble gamer

[vast sandal]

Figured out how to play lategame as Calico after all

[maiden ledge]

nice!

[candid abyss]

idk if yall in here a VSynth fans but

I made this mod for McGinnis

https://gamebanana.com/sounds/82636

if you play UltGinnis give it a shot!(marked cause one of the songs is explicit)

[whole moon]

saint peter shall beckon you past the pearly gates via the fastpass line for this suffering

[agile rune]

having a good time delilah?

[mossy pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/s/lB56luvS2o