Deadlock

[autumn field]

oh yeah

[rich grove]

so upon a time you had to not fire your gun for 3s and then you guaranteed got express shot

no relevant cd

compared to now where iirc you just get the express shot if the item is off cd, no choice in the matter

[autumn field]

think its mostly extended only

[stable forum]

extended is stilll weird

[autumn field]

not really

its an 800 item that gets you more early on

[rich grove]

on one hand, probably for the best that you do not have to Hold It In: e.g. you're shooting a creep wave and potentially risk delaying e.g your m2 burst on shiv til it's too late
on the other hand you still sometimes get got cause your express shot is on cd at bad timings and your mag is drier than you'd like

weird weird item

i feel like if you're going to build an 800 you intend to never upgrade it should probably be something like rite or regen rather than mag when you want to hit your k dash spike quickly

[stable forum]

I guess I'm just not a fan of 800s i don't upgrade

[rich grove]

it's probably fine, just bad tempo on a character who already struggles so badly in lane

[stable forum]

and, yeah, kdash is cheap

[autumn field]

i buy extended as a core on graves, but once more

im the gun graves

[rich grove]

denying every single cs in a wave vs silver feels like bullying

[stable forum]

extended / titanic isn't bad

[stable forum]

this only happens if she's bad

[torn gulch]

Express is reallt good on silver but i'm like emissary 3

[rich grove]

post the rpm buff yeah

[autumn field]

i dont think graves needs extended/titanic myself

but she's damn fun with it

[torn gulch]

She has free reload anyway and it lets you frontload your burst more to transform faster

[stable forum]

expressi s fine on her i think, i just buy other things instead

Silver loves bullet resist shred

[autumn field]

im plastic 2

[stable forum]

and I'd rather buy bullet resist shred 3200s over express personally

I haven't tested if it's actually better

[rich grove]

hunters aura for peak maroon five

[torn gulch]

I buy both express and hunter

And also berserk

[stable forum]

I but HP and Hunter

[rich grove]

(also unironically just good but the memes)

[torn gulch]

[stable forum]

HP is unfortunately the best gun item

[autumn field]

AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[rich grove]

i remember specifically having to not buy hunters aura on haze on game because the enemy squishies would see the bullet resist shred pop up over their heads and immediately enter mgs alert posture

funniest shit ive ever seen

[stable forum]

this is very funny

[rich grove]

invis mechanic once again ruined by particle effects.... its like imcoming home

:_)

[autumn field]

does bul res shred let you send people into negatives?

[rich grove]

oh yes

[autumn field]

graves has 5% steal but

Oh fuck yeah

[rich grove]

people will splode

[rich grove]

it do be shredding resist

[stable forum]

bullet resist shred is just gun damage amp

but it ignores armor

[autumn field]

yeah im so fucking addding this to my 4.8k

[stable forum]

I'm still sitting here wondering if I buy Kevlar over Duration Extender on Silver

[rich grove]

divine kevin...

[autumn field]

damn that's good

8% more damage is a lot of free damage

even better is how graves can just yoink like

all of your gun dmg

[stable forum]

Hunter's Aura makes you extremely hard to 1v1

[autumn field]

she can steal 45 super easily early on

[stable forum]

Hollow Point has 35% weapon damage and 9% bullet resist shred

[rich grove]

buy your own drifter passive + extra bm against gun carries

[autumn field]

i think my new graves is gonna be a fucking menance that nobody can stop

[stable forum]

Hollow Point does so many things

[rich grove]

hollow point on thick character = good

[autumn field]

kust like

"25% bulresshred"

"45% less gun per gun"

[rich grove]

unexpected german

[autumn field]

"immobilize"

"WHY DOES SHE HAVE LIFESTRIKE"

[rich grove]

hollow point on skirmisher also maybe = good but mostly just on paradox

you're full hp when you get the carbine!

what happens next is between you and god

[autumn field]

yeah

[stable forum]

tbh every gun character can buy hollow point

haze can buy hollow point and it's okay

[rich grove]

you prooobably shouldn't for opportunity cost but it's. fine

sometimes you are just down so bad for resist shred

[stable forum]

Weakening Headshot is much better

I'm not buying it on Silver because can't headshot with these huge claws

[rich grove]

toxic bullets just to sidestep the issue altogether

tezz for the capacitor upgrade and generally good damage that again just goes around it etc

weakening headshot building into crippling headshot is p nice tho

...they did patch it to do that right

[autumn field]

night yall

[stable forum]

weakening headshot does, yes

[rich grove]

oh thankg od

[autumn field]

i think i know how im going to build my new graves

[stable forum]

...Capacitor Silver...

[rich grove]

let cook

[autumn field]

it's going to be very... interesting

[stable forum]

hopefully it goes well!

[torn gulch]

This is what I currently have on Silver build

[rich grove]

allow to stove

like It Does Root

[stable forum]

this is fine

[rich grove]

It Does Do Damage In Ult

[stable forum]

yeah

that's the big thing I'm looking at it for

it's possibly also useful for farming???

[rich grove]

mmmmaybe, silver is the rare character where fire rate is genuinely the limiter

[stable forum]

oh you're missing KD

[rich grove]

I guess just kdash a lot

[stable forum]

put Kinetic Dash in over Slowing Bullets

or over express or whatever

[vapid ember]

my first graves game was into vind doorman, do I accept this character isn't for me or do I press on

[stable forum]

or battle vest

[vapid ember]

seriously I don't think there's any angle to win lane here as graves holliday into vind doorman

[rich grove]

sometimes it's a knockdown item 1 game

[torn gulch]

I don't think KD is that good on silver personally

[mild flume]

its a weird lane you just have to buy defensive stuff and like if you can survive close to the waves you win

[rich grove]

never mind you have a holliday duo you can absolutely win this

[autumn field]

one small thing

[vapid ember]

she was playing very passively/no impact

[autumn field]

so rn ive got gun graves since she's much much much easier to maintain the lead on

[torn gulch]

Stamina Mastery>KD

[autumn field]

but iirc spirit was better overall?

[stable forum]

buy both

get both

[mild flume]

I think graves is best hybrid or spirit

[stable forum]

very strongly recommend both Stamina Mastery & KD on Silver

or neither, if you don't want Stamina Mastery

[autumn field]

but anyways, night night fr

[rich grove]

i mean if you don't have a second laner then it would be hard to win most lanes

[vapid ember]

oh yeah, why does it feel like all gun characters do no damage until literally on their patron vs spirit characters actually going online at their first core item

[rich grove]

I am trying so hard not to say it

[autumn field]

probably playing them wrong imo

[stable forum]

...most gun characters o a lot of damage with...

on Silver I kill people with KD + HP?

[autumn field]

me on guns like

[vapid ember]

maybe im carried by yams lol

[autumn field]

"hi infernus"

"bye infernus"

i think part of it is DPS over burst

[vapid ember]

vind feels like half of a character until magnum tbh

[autumn field]

a max mcgunnis might have like, 200-300 DPS

[rich grove]

just saying things

[stable forum]

a

[autumn field]

but the doorman deals 5-600 per bell

[finite grotto]

Be lady Geist and do DMG at every step 😌 gungun

[earnest verge]

I've been underwhelmed by kinetic dash on Silver and think Stamina Mastery is the better shout tbh yeah

[autumn field]

yeah i need to fucking sleep god

[stable forum]

okay Vindicta things time
Vindicta doesn't actually buy gun damage!

[earnest verge]

I can see the idea definitely, but I don't think it quite shakes out in practice

[stable forum]

Vindicta buys Fire Rate

and then you push flight and kill people with your gun

a classical early game 'i want to bully people' thing with Vindicta is Kinetic Dash -> Flight

[earnest verge]

and I mean m1 carries gotta farm yeah, if it's taking until they're killing your patron then you're going too slow

[stable forum]

this lets you hit like 130?~ gun DPS

[rich grove]

i play haze who specifically is only good early mid and then late game everyone buys plated armor and she fucks off in a corner

[vapid ember]

maybe im just not cut out for being a m1 demon

[stable forum]

apr! apr beats plated now!

you probably know this

[earnest verge]

yeah no shame in it, I tried to do M1 carries and just couldn't really get it down

my main serious carry these days is like, Victor

[rich grove]

it does but maaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnn

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn

[stable forum]

yeaaah

it's also only 50% procrate

[finite grotto]

I def got thrown finding out Geist is a gun character but it's a lotta fun

[vapid ember]

who are you playing

[rich grove]

anyway I just find it more fun specifically cause I want to get active and I hate jg

so tempo/pick haze goes brrrr for me

[mild flume]

haze is real good as a pick character imo

best in that role

rather than some silly farm for big ult thing

[stable forum]

oh right there's also funny hybrid haze things

[earnest verge]

Mostly, Silver, Victor, Billy, sometimes Abrams or Vyper, should play Vyper more tbh. The M1s I've tried are like Wraith, Infernus, a tiny bit of Grey Talon

Never quite got around to trying Haze

[rich grove]

there is the evil and sinister knife haze

[vapid ember]

is vyper not the ultimate m1 demon?

[stable forum]

dagger does in fact do 500 damage

[earnest verge]

She can be

[rich grove]

knife with mystic reverb lowkey might kill the team

[vapid ember]

I really want to like vyper but I feel like I do 0 damage in lane lol

[earnest verge]

but compare her to Infernus and Wraith etc. or at least how they used to be, she's not as much of a carry

[rich grove]

i might need to int some games trying that

[stable forum]

oh the reverb buff

[finite grotto]

Oh I gotta try that

[stable forum]

usually it's echo shard

[rich grove]

like probably still only good with echo shard

[stable forum]

echo shard has stats haze likes

[rich grove]

also just good in general as a very boof curse

[stable forum]

the spirit shred / bullet shred confluence of Crippling Headshot is pretty solid

[final osprey]

Your job in lane as vyper is to kill any enemy who dares to go below 50% hp with poison.
It's your lane partners job to get them there.

[finite grotto]

Early spirit and green feels so nice on haze 😌

[earnest verge]

like, the key word there is carry, idk if you've enough Moba background to know what htat means, my badi f so

Though Deadlock has a much softer delineation between the various roles than most (other) mobas

[stable forum]

enchanter's emblem...

[rich grove]

actual top 1 item

disgusting stat stick

[finite grotto]

Surge of power with hex for that early spirit threshold 😌

[rich grove]

im saying!!!

you see it!!!!

[stable forum]

for a bit i was rushing Veilwalker on Vindicta

i probably still am?

i forget >.>

hm, yes, I am.

[earnest verge]

hm, maybe I should try her as that, given how much I'm enjoying Silver.

[stable forum]

Vindicta but she buys 4800 greens, enters Flight and kills you by shooting you in the face

[finite grotto]

For vindicta do you just get like improved spirit and like rapid recharge and compress to snowball via perma killing players instead of anything else?

[stable forum]

no, last hits on Assassinate are something I almost completely ignore.

my current build is attempting to force Lightning Scroll

it's okay

[rich grove]

people have been trying to run the snipe snowball gimmick with the rework but I have no clue how good it is or isn't with how significantly that changed everything about how she plays

[finite grotto]

Hmhm

[stable forum]

my older build is Spellslinger

[rich grove]

+weapon damage is good, but +souls could be anything

even weapon damage

[stable forum]

Spellslinger is still busted

[finite grotto]

I haven't tried her yet since I really don't feel her kit

[stable forum]

Vin is less snowbally with the change

[rich grove]

the lady geist mains will boom you if you let the secret slip

[stable forum]

that spellslinger is busted???

unfortunately

warden but he buys one damage item (it's spellslinger)

[rich grove]

yeah warden having a 5s cd on flask uh

yeah

yeahhh

[finite grotto]

Me go mystic/radiant regeneration. Me happy

[stable forum]

enhanced spellslinger used to be over 100% firerate

idk why

[rich grove]

i have also seen spellslinger on mirage as a rogue option

seems like reasonable theory

[stable forum]

spellslinger is just extremely good

I've been buying Spellslinger on Vindicta

and it's good

[rich grove]

like it has the "restriction" of
a spell with a low cd

[stable forum]

no it actually has the restriction of 'buy fleetfoot'

[rich grove]

god dammit

still

did they not nerf it enough

[stable forum]

no

[rich grove]

ella mayo

[stable forum]

I'm 80% sure you can force Spellslinger on any character in the game and it'll be good.

[finite grotto]

I think the only other two characters I have seem with spellslinger are wraith and ivy but rarely

[rich grove]

wraith is pretty natural, geist is just bread and butter

pairs so so so incredibly well with how shes played nowadays

[finite grotto]

Yee

[rich grove]

drop the drain with all the anti heal flying around, just use malice damage amp and 5s cd to put people in the garbage can with kdash/fleet/spellslinger

[finite grotto]

Berserker 😌

[rich grove]

yuh

actually just shooting anti tank rounds

[vivid nimbus]

I feel like there's a bunch of interesting gun items but they're usually not the meta gun items

[stable forum]

I think Spellslinger should probably not proc on item use

but idk

[rich grove]

being not practical for use is imo a net negative on how I view their design

[stable forum]

it's very awkward to just go 'fleetfoot slowing hex spellslinger'

[rich grove]

express and split are cute in theory but being this wack in execution is a fumble to me

[vivid nimbus]

I mean some of it is also just that +fire rate is valued but +weapon damage is not

[rich grove]

it's literally chips vs mult

[stable forum]

yeaa

[vivid nimbus]

So stuff like point blank and sharpshooter and weighted shots sit in the sad corner

[rich grove]

oh point blank is still really valued

[stable forum]

+weapon damage isn't super valuable because you get a bunch of +weapon damage innately

[vivid nimbus]

Okay yeah point blank is valued but not for the damage

It's for the melee resist and slow

[rich grove]

sharpshooter also sees regular buy on the characters youd expect, weighted shots is actually a genuinely interesting statstick that also sees use

seen it in mirage and warden builds

[stable forum]

Weighted Shots is just a decent item

Billy tends to buy it?

[vivid nimbus]

My point is more these are nice picks and not the ones you see all the time

[rich grove]

well toxic/burst can only be so much of the build so you are kind of forced to buy some of the cuter ones

[vivid nimbus]

Meanwhile, swift striker is like the most boring 1600 ever

But it's still good

[rich grove]

look it's not haze's fault she literally doesn't interact with anything else ;-;

my perfect beautiful daughter has the most linear and boring item theory of all time for reasons out of her control

venator's existence and to a lesser extent silver and graves has also flipped the emphasis on fire rate

[stable forum]

staring at Spirit

[rich grove]

I also think in the context of the swift striker vs burst fire build out of rapid rounds there is a genuine reason for it to exist now

that is an actual tempo tradeoff

[stable forum]

I can't higlight the .5 base ammo per spirit power but

[vivid nimbus]

Also, just had the misfortune of fighting a McGinnis who snowballed out of control and I'm like uggggh because IDK what to build against sustained spirit damage

[stable forum]

McGinnis is very oppressive if she gets ahead

[rich grove]

witchmail or silencer mmmmmaaaayyyybe

mmmmmmmmaaaaayyybee

[vivid nimbus]

She didn't even have a good lane! She just had a very good midgame

[rich grove]

it is weird how recoverable absolutely tossing your lane is

in comparison to some other mobae

not just losing but fully punting it 0/5/0 style and then not only not losing, but rolling

[earnest verge]

It Depends™

[finite grotto]

I like weighted shot when you have money on Abrams or silver

[earnest verge]

I'd say going 050 is usually a very bad sign, but there are ways to recover, yeah, depending on hero and game state

if every lane on your team has a 050 in it you're very dead

[finite grotto]

Me yoinking all the sinners so I don't have to go back to feeding the lane

[rich grove]

I bring this up because gran and I were the cause of said 0/5/0 lane for the enemy team and then we still got obliterated anyway

[earnest verge]

some heroes really need to snowball, a 050 Mina, Silver or Drifter is in a very very bad spot

a Victor doesn't necessarily remotely care

[rich grove]

just smashed directly flat into the floor

[earnest verge]

by the same people you were bullying, or the people from the other lanes?

[vivid nimbus]

She went from 0/1/1 at 9:00 to 23/2/26 at the end

[finite grotto]

It do be intoxicating when you have like 150 bullets and fire Lightspeed bullets 😌

[rich grove]

the former sometimes! not directly after the lane but it was brutal suddenly realising that despite stomping them we were even or poorer than they were

[vivid nimbus]

It's also brutal in a different way to come out of lane like "well I did okay, wish I was doing better than 3/2" and find out you're the mostfed one on your team

[stable forum]

stars and steel I'll often go 'well that other lane on the enemy team is doing better so I guess I better smash my lane more'

[merry verge]

Express Shot into Slam Fire gets you to ult pretty damn instantly, but I wouldn't really build it on others

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qzobso/adding_to_the_recent_matchmaking_posts_had_the/

[vivid nimbus]

A breathaking amount of dying, wow

[merry verge]

I don't think I've seen over 20

Especially not on Mo

Also god Rem pushing every lane for free still feels crazy

[vivid nimbus]

I've seen 21 but that was in a 63 minute game

[warped ridge]

It's cause MMR is really wonky and doesn't seem to follow standard MMR stuff + new players are being out in oracle games

But it's all just speculation minus the uhh

New players being able to put in any game

Which like

Really shouldn't happen but at the same time

Oracle players arent guaranteed to be good either

I think some people said if you go on a winstreak it bumps your ranks by like 2 per game

Which is wild assuming the ranks are supposed to mean anything

In reality I think the ranks aren't standard ranked mode stuff and maybe should be ignored at the moment

And all they're doing is giving people false ammo for complaining about the MMR

Like it's prob a little goofy cause of new players but it should theoretically still be working

My games it's usually like

1-3 people on each team being hyper sweaty

And then the rest being varied

Also it's really easy to play drifter atm

People either don't know or don't care about his infinite stacks and will feed him

[merry verge]

Make it arbitrarily harder on yourself an build Spirit Drifter

[warped ridge]

I mean I probably could and still do fine against some of these people

Game is definitely like

[merry verge]

Tru part of the joke is that i do that

[warped ridge]

Titanfall 2 situation where you'll have like 1-3 people on each team are just styling on the enemy team

[merry verge]

And yeah, sometimes it's clear when Infernus Hasn't Played Before vs God's Gift to Vindicta

[warped ridge]

I'm like 99% sure some random streamers played deadlock and a bunch of people joined and it's causing matches to go bonkers

[merry verge]

I had a new Graves on my team but they knew fights would end poorly so Kept Waves Pushed and Defended People and put in some real work

[warped ridge]

That's what you should be doing yeah

[merry verge]

I feel like a lotta the Style On Em folks tend to forget it's Objectives Game

[warped ridge]

They do usually or they just can't compete against split pushers cause the rest of their team just throws

[merry verge]

Dedicated Split Pusher McGinnis.. fear....

She's on the clock can't be here for an hour

[warped ridge]

I just ban her cause I don't like dealing with easy split pushers in my games

[merry verge]

I must simply keep as much distance between myself and Victor, both in gameplay and ban choice

[warped ridge]

Victor is so funny

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qzx1r2/the_matchmaking_spares_none/

[warped ridge]

Sounds like it's working as intended then

[still swan]

Yoshi is one of the devs right?

[warped ridge]

One of the super smash brothers characters yes.

Gave up fighting in the super smash brothers tournament to become a developer for Valve.

Like ya know how people were like, "Let's add Gordon to SSB?"

Like that but the opposite

(Yes Yoshi is a Deadlock Dev)

[vivid nimbus]

Yoshi is one of the lead devs AIUI, and definitely the dev most active in the community as a dev

[agile void]

and might/not be ice frog

[vivid nimbus]

"Might be or might not" does cover all the options

[warped ridge]

Nah

Yoshi could also be Gaben

[merry verge]

Laning into Bebop and Mo sure makes it easy to land all your Slam Fire shots

More characters should be wide

Also getting better at reliably wolfmoding, just kind of have to build a little fragile

Though Lifestrike remains a must

[warped ridge]

I've played only 4 matches with Silver

I ignore the ult tbh

It'll happen when it happens

Until then it doesn't exist

I've also won all 4 matches

And in the last one I left lane at 2/4 and ended up MVP

Her shotgun is probably my favorite M1 in the game

[vivid nimbus]

I should try one of the shotgun characters

Which is... Abrams, Pocket, Shiv, Silver, and I feel like I forgot one

Calico?

[merry verge]

Calico counts

Though I do hate using her gun

/also she looks kind of silly running around with her arm out like that

[finite grotto]

man escalating resilience kinda goated

[lavish shale]

Drifter kind of

[finite patrol]

<@&1277035919182008330> If youre interested in getting stacks together with players from here, please fill this out. Pinging for EU time folks.

[ivory reef]

appreciate you organizing this nikh

i have my own stack already but I support your endeavour

[finite patrol]

Game is a lot more fun as a squad

I will also say that if youre worried about skill gap : dont worry so much. If you want to play with other folks here just sign up and we can sort it out later

[warped ridge]

Skill gap is silly anyways with how matches are going rn with the influx of new players

Just gg go next if bad game

[finite patrol]

Yeah you'll get a lot of uneven lobbies no matter what

[finite grotto]

ok painted my stuff in

abarams solo carried this sheesh

I am just now realizing i didnt get a healbane xd

[warped ridge]

Don't need to heal if nobody can hurt you cause they ded

[finite grotto]

ye bu arbrams was scawy

hmm also like I never know if I should buy some gun for Pocket. It feels really good to hyperboost the ult but you do have not the shortest cooldown

[finite patrol]

thats a woopsie but he's got +12k souls on you it prooobably wouldn't have made much of a difference. pocket has antiheal in kit anyway

pockets gun is very good ye

[finite grotto]

hmhm

so some gun investment early is should maybe do

[finite patrol]

a lot of characters do very well with 4800 gun investment so a 1.6k and a 3.2k

[warped ridge]

Toxic bullets

If no gun item got me, toxic bullets still got me

[finite patrol]

spirit rend!

[finite grotto]

oh thats a good shout

[warped ridge]

Spirit Rend works better on pocket than Toxic bullets I imagine ye

[finite patrol]

spirit rend mystic shot is a solid 4800 package on a spirit burster with a good gun

grain of salt though as im not a pocket player

#1276682303384457256 message

these builds seem to recommend mystic shot cultsac

[warped ridge]

Yeah I still try to keep in mind the 4.8 spike

[finite grotto]

ye but the annotation also shouts out rend and kindash

I have been mainly running with this page wwith is def more ult bot

Dew really hates EE while cosmetical seems to still rec it (if bezsos)

but def need to try and buy some gun midgame

[finite patrol]

doorman makes me evil

[agile void]

"Your beds are shit, And Im narcoleptic"

[finite patrol]

I should start saying room service when I go gank

[vast sandal]

imaginary technique: breakfast in bed

see, it's because this way, the carry gets fed without having to lift a finger

[finite patrol]

Rem is the breakfast in bed support

here's two helpers and a heal im going into the mines. as a child I yearn.

[lavish grove]

I will say, in my experience there’s nothing that angers an enemy team more in a moba then role playing

[lavish shale]

I muted all chat pretty much immediately tbh

[lavish grove]

It’s like a non toxic way of pissing off the enemy team

[lavish shale]

the occasional funny interaction with an opponent is not worth whatever else people will usually write

[lavish grove]

That’s fair

I’m mostly fine with toxic enemies or teammates though

I don’t like it but it’s fine

[lavish shale]

I very much am not myself
I hair trigger mute allies too, if they give me the slightest reason

[autumn field]

not completely certain on some of these graves 4.8 options

i personally run bullet + stam mastery on my 4.8k

[warped ridge]

I'd say you shouldn't take stamina master on graves

But I can see the use if the enemy has escape potential

[autumn field]

i mean you're a 2 stam

the other picks are arcane or kin dash

extra stamina will do fine though

[merry verge]

Stamina Mastery is great on graves

You don't have to aim so flying around your opponent like a wasp works wonders

Also keeps up the chase

[autumn field]

yeah

[merry verge]

She is a rare Arcane Surge fan though, works great for the ult

[warped ridge]

For me I would just take spirit lifesteal

[autumn field]

no spirit power though

[warped ridge]

But tbf I'd play her more as split pusher than nuker

[merry verge]

Her spirit damage is also just a bit smackable

[final osprey]

Stamina mastery also lets you get weirder more annoying Ult spots

[merry verge]

Ending up with Leech feels nice but idk which route

[autumn field]

this is my fucking build lmao

[finite grotto]

god i just played the most frustrating game xd

[autumn field]

tbf the mid/late options are mostly catalogue

[finite grotto]

seven and i crushed our lane but our allies really did not want to play

late I really coudnt do a lot

just so much cc on the enemy side

wraith just only used her ult on me etc

[merry verge]

Kelvins that stick to their carries.. evil

[autumn field]

wraith's ult is somehow...

its strong and doesnt feel strong

[finite grotto]

insane mald game

[lavish grove]

I remember when it used to lift and keep you in the air for like, 5 seconds

[autumn field]

holiday ult is horrible to play against

[astral lava]

the power is really in the disarm/silence now which doesnt feel as impactful as thr Big Lift

[merry verge]

Wraith Ult feels like one of the most counterspellable in the game

The voice line is like exactly timed to ruin it for her

Holliday has to aim at least

Feels less nightmarish than Mo descending from heaven with his

[lavish grove]

“Get him Mo!” Is one of those voice callouts that by the time you hear it you’re already fucked

Fighting a Mo and Krill with ult is always about keeping them out of ult range

Not countering the ult once it’s out

[granite heath]

But counterspelling a Mo and Krill ult is a wonderful feeling.

[finite grotto]

4 game losing streak. you hate to see it

[twilit roost]

This might be very bad but im coming around to majestic leap as an engage option for Graves after seeing it in action

[vivid nimbus]

It's very dramatic, to say the least

[finite grotto]

my holliday does not know how to spike barrels

[merry verge]

Everyone should build Majestic Leap

[finite grotto]

pure lose spiral

[merry verge]

Frolic and be free

[warped ridge]

But can she shoot shooty bang bang?

[autumn field]

i think bebop needs a street brawl nerf

[finite grotto]

no!

enemy bepo does 2k with a single bomb to me

5 game lose streak ahhhhhhhh

oh the misery

[autumn field]

everybody wants to be my enemy

[vast sandal]

okay genuine question

what makes Majestic Leap, Stamina Mastery, and Warp Stone preferred from one another

building none seems like it's a bad idea but which one does one build

[finite grotto]

warp stone also functions as bullet resist

I would say majestic leap is the ultra engage tool esp for characters like pocket

[twilit roost]

Majestic leap is if you want a lot of air when you engage in fights like to use Pockets suitcase bolts

[merry verge]

Warp Stone can be used in combat and gives resist yeah

Leap is for engagement mostly

[vast sandal]

okay so warp stone vs stamina mastery then just for adding a dash / mobility option to your build

[merry verge]

But not everyone needs one

[twilit roost]

Warp stone is for staying in the middle of everything/getting out. And stam mastery is just generally good

[merry verge]

Warp and Stamina Silver means The Kiting Won't Work

[rich grove]

warp stone is used for suddenly engaging on someone before they can react, typically for ults like dynamo or mo, although it has obvious defensive usage like dodging a lash ult

[vast sandal]

or sending them to the Baroness for example

[merry verge]

It's like Flash League of Legends or Blink Dagger

Just a good little addition to any kit

[rich grove]

maj leap makes cross map rotations significantly easier in general while also providing an overshield, but unlike warp stone can't be used in combat as it locks out when you take damage

[vast sandal]

I guess my question is then, is Warp Stone's teleport better than a Stamina Mastery double dash

[rich grove]

you can still initiate with it like warp stone but warp stone is truly unreactable in a way maj leap isn't, although of course you can have teammates bait for you etc

[merry verge]

Warp Stone won't get you across map like Stamina, but Stamina doesn't solve everything and runs out etc

Also just instant movement is a lot

[vast sandal]

okay so the big advantage is Warp Stone is beyond reproach

[rich grove]

the bullet resist on glorp stone is also occasionally pretty noticeable

[vast sandal]

whereas you can get like

slowed

and now Stamina Mastery is not cooking

[autumn field]

deadlock stole an omnicharge signet from me

[rich grove]

also you can glorp directly upwards

[finite grotto]

decided to do one more game

🙂

[rich grove]

obviously you can still do that with stam mastery's triple jump but in an escape it can be vital

you're going from taking three or four seconds to gain height to "you press the motion button"

[vivid nimbus]

While discussing mobility actives, there's also fleetfoot, magic carpet, and phantom strike

[rich grove]

stam mastery is still extremely extremely good ftr and probably better on most characters, but sometimes you really just need the "i gotta dip" button

[vivid nimbus]

Phantom strike is like warp stone's meaner more aggro big brother

[vast sandal]

it's an upgrade to Warp Stone no

[rich grove]

phantom strike is broken

[granite heath]

I wish magic carpet was more consistent for escaping :(
So often I'll charge it up, hop on, then immediately dismount.

[rich grove]

ps doesnt upgrade off of glorp stone

[vast sandal]

ah, hmm

[vivid nimbus]

Not an upgrade, also you can have both

[rich grove]

it's also like tech said just a pure offensive tool in most respects

[vivid nimbus]

Warp + Phantom is viable on eg. Abrams

[rich grove]

you just instantly, unit target Teleports Behind You, disarm them and drag them down if they're airborne

it's incredibly strong as a gapclose

one of the most unfuckwithable approach options in the game

[vast sandal]

okay so for initiating the jail time ult, Phantom Strike goes nuts

[lavish shale]

Phantom Strike seems nice for stuff like Mo ult

[vast sandal]

it slows them, disarms them, and then you send them to jail

[rich grove]

like Knockdown, it also is height agnostic for its range calculations

[granite heath]

I think it's Paige's dragon fire AoE dealing a tick of damage and that counting as doing a spell, but it's annoyingly inconsistent.

[vast sandal]

anyways followup question on macro movement items

[rich grove]

if that vindicta is 500 meters in the air or 0, as long as her projection on the ground is within range you can yoink her

[vast sandal]

you said Majestic Leap is good for rotating

[rich grove]

yuh

[vast sandal]

how does that stack up against Veilwalker

[rich grove]

so

load up the item in an empty map

maj leap, drop using the key it prompts you to, then quickly double jump afterwards

this gives you enough distance to basically jump from one sidelane to the other

[warped ridge]

I love Veilwalker on Haze in brawl

Infinite invisibility

[vast sandal]

okay, so maj leap lets you immediately be at the next lane over

[rich grove]

you can also maj leap off the zip and over buildings to quickly get from spawn to midway between bases on almost any lane

[final osprey]

Warp stone is really useful with Mo and Krill because you can use it underground. Especially as you can't fleetfoot underground anymore

I need to get good enough to be able to majestic leap Mo kidnap. I just need to do it once, no matter how useless it might actually be

[vast sandal]

I'm gonna go ahead and assume that Veilwalker is mostly for the invis rather than the movement buff then

[rich grove]

invis and the flat heal

flat heal good on squishies

[lavish shale]

Warpstone is also gives a lot of bullet resist

[rich grove]

but the movement buff is also solid, haze 2 has something similar and she wraps like crazy

[final osprey]

Veilwalker is one of the roam 3200

[rich grove]

it's just that maj leap is so much movement on the map

totally ignorant of """buildings"""

[vast sandal]

well like with Haze you could just smokebomb and then maj leap outta there

[merry verge]

There was an Everyone Buys Veilwalker era and that was tough

[rich grove]

or """terrain"""

[merry verge]

Used to heal so much so often

[finite grotto]

It was a valiant effort to play 1v5...literally. So fucking unlucky today...and this game brought me down from ritualist to arcanist 😭 fuck me sideways

[vast sandal]

and then an invisible Haze suddenly is in your lane

[rich grove]

that would be extremely funny

I GO WHERE I WISH boiiiiiing

[finite grotto]

I def need to use maj leap more without needing to ult on pocket but dropping in to nuke is just so satisfying

[edgy fog]

https://youtube.com/shorts/QSMVQxJ8Yic?si=WNBTKl_1nkD79X7s

[agile void]

think about it this way

maj leap allows you to ignore all the verticality on the map

you just jump over it

veilwalker is a movement tool that allows you to gank easier

[vast sandal]

thanks 👍

[agile void]

Also if we want to be more specific

Warp stone is a general utility

meanwhile stam mastery is kinda preferred, if your hero is one that spends time in the air a lot

you will see Lash, hollyday or rem build them

they are all mobile and they dont "need" the speed of sprint boots/enduring speed and just dash away

remember that also stamina mastery gives you extra airborne dash and jump

[somber creek]

Stamina Mastery is the best one for running away

[agile void]

yeah but you cant deny who is the more slippery chars or who builds those more is Holliday and lash

[merry verge]

I want more movespeed on Silver but idk what to build for it

[somber creek]

Which is why you see a lot of stam 2 people buy it

[agile void]

also you might not want to build pure stam and prefer to build Kinetic dash or arcane surge more

Mo ult boosted by arcane surge + greater duration

[merry verge]

Arcane Surge'd Unstoppable Dynamo Ult devouring the whole lane

[final osprey]

Do you want more move speed to roam or to catch up to people? As that second has a lot more options and lots of them are to actually just make your opponent slower rather than yourself faster

[merry verge]

Kind of both

[twilit roost]

Unstoppable plus warpstone probably for her ult form

[agile void]

p strike I imagine goes hard

[merry verge]

Close Quarters actually working on wolf mode has been a godsend

Erh Point Blank

Idk I probably just need to get better at macro mobility in general

Got too used to Doorman and his various boons

[agile void]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1r04vcc/is_god_canon/

[finite grotto]

finally

I won a game today

I def like having a 4.8 gun investment mystic shot and cultsac were great

[lavish shale]

I just lost a 6v5

[finite grotto]

Balistic enchantment also intrigues me

[ivory reef]

apollo <t:1770674400:R>

I believe

😤

i wanna make all the lesbians in my life sad

please please it'll be so funny please

[rich grove]

genuinely just plagiarising my gimmick 😭

that's MY line

[ivory reef]

We need Apollo for us straight girls

Who are better

[warped ridge]

Yeah Apollo is the first like

Boy archetype

[ivory reef]

I appreciate you forgetting doorman

[warped ridge]

Doorman I thought was a lovecraftian entity?

[rich grove]

the abrams erasure is disgusting

[warped ridge]

Am I wrong?

[warped ridge]

Abrams is not a boy, he is a sophisticated gentleman

[rich grove]

to say nothing of mirage

[finite patrol]

did what I could

[ivory reef]

Reverb who do you think has the most fics in ao3

[warped ridge]

Doorman

[ivory reef]

Yes

[warped ridge]

The issue is

I cheat

[vast sandal]

The Tumblr sexyman has returned

[ivory reef]

Do you think it's because straight girls are horny for Lovecraft?

[rich grove]

I mean.

[vast sandal]

Yes.

[rich grove]

I mean.

[ivory reef]

It's because he's a fucking kpop boy

[finite patrol]

I also mean!

[ivory reef]

I'm not saying we AREN'T horny for tentacles

[finite patrol]

hahahahaha

[warped ridge]

Because I considered writing an ao3 fic of like, a soldier in a survival situation joining deadlock and having the pure horror of his guns not working as expected and not understanding why the fuck guns with no ammo keep firing if you slide

[ivory reef]

But that's not where all the drifter doorman fics come from

[rich grove]

i will go to bat forever for mirage as the underappreciated husband option of the cast

[finite grotto]

omg. I didnt know you can precast Pocket Affliction while zooming down with maj leap. Holy fuck that changes a lot!!!!!! I have been putting myself in so much unessecary danger

[finite patrol]

I am hoping for the Apollo win because everyone was 100% certain he'd be last

[ivory reef]

Mirage is a cutie

So is infernus

[vast sandal]

Winged hates Jerma

[ivory reef]

Yes

[finite patrol]

majleap lets you do a lot of stuff while falling! used to be meta to channel warden ult while dropping in

[somber creek]

To me its "yeah of course but also He is probably not omnipotent and every religion is probably correct to an extent"

[rich grove]

used to????

well I guess you typically don't buy majers anymore but man

[warped ridge]

I mean if we're doing fanfic than game lore no longer matters and goes out the window and yes, every char can be a boy by just gender morphing them to boy.

You can make Rem a 24 year old kpop catboy if you wanted

[finite patrol]

gun warden is meta now thresh

[ivory reef]

Look I dunno what to say if I'm gonna have uncomfortable horny fantasies involving fictional characters it better not be jerma

[rich grove]

it is so fucking funny watching everyone collectively shit the bed

[finite patrol]

you can still do it

[rich grove]

distantly, overhead IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE WORLD

[vast sandal]

I think it’s much funnier that everyone’s horny for Jerma tbh

[ivory reef]

😭

[vast sandal]

Every single person is my enemyyyyy 🎵

[warped ridge]

But yeah like

[finite patrol]

-# face me
AND

DIE

[somber creek]

Remember kids, Christianity is a polytheistic religion

[rich grove]

syncretist venator might be the single funniest possible canon explanation of his theology

[warped ridge]

Infernus, not a boy, Mirage, not a boy, they are men

Pretty men maybe but not boys.

Apollo totally has like, boy energy tho.

Doorman is not Doorboy, he is Doorman

[finite grotto]

does viktor count

he is kinda muscular pretty boy

[vast sandal]

Look in my worldview Doorman is an eldritch being whose needs are fulfilled by finding humanity amusing and unpredictable

[warped ridge]

Hmm

[rich grove]

yeah victor absolutely counts

[vast sandal]

So, you know, Jerma

[warped ridge]

Good point, I did forget about Victor

[rich grove]

i personally aged out of my emo phase a while back but yknow, helena is still a great song

[warped ridge]

He's like sadboy tho.
Apollo is like, boyboy

[rich grove]

absolutely unimpeachable

[somber creek]

Viktor is also like 5 technically

Unless his age is the sum of his parts

[rich grove]

how do you know he's not the arithmetic mean of all his c-

[somber creek]

JINX

[finite patrol]

Viktor is 5 in the same way harrier du bois is 0

[rich grove]

my fucking soda

[warped ridge]

Like I can unironically be like, "yeah you my brother" to Victor but Apollo I'm like, "Idk dude I'm not college president enough for this"

[ivory reef]

I really appreciate mina for being the bitchy white girl of the cast with the white woman normals but actually she's asian

Incredibly relatable experience

[rich grove]

I don't even know if that was ever confirmed

[vast sandal]

But Winged, aren’t you Ms. Frizzle :^)

[warped ridge]

I mean it helps that Mina is also partially Gothic

[rich grove]

the deadlock hivemind just all collectively decided that she's korean

[warped ridge]

But tbf that's more time era thing

[rich grove]

🫵 get in the diaspora mina

[finite patrol]

whuh

[warped ridge]

She def would be ugg wearing and drink Starbucks with the pumpkin spice flavoring today

[finite patrol]

they gave her the last name Ha because its incredibly non-specific innit

[ivory reef]

her last name is Ha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha_(Korean_surname)

[vast sandal]

I will open a door between realities… to the one where Winged has red hair

[warped ridge]

Idc if I'm supposed to be punk but pumpkin spice flavoring is good btw

[ivory reef]

it's not a fanon stretch

like, look at her

[vast sandal]

It’s absolutely “Mina Harker reference but we altered her name and ethnicity to reflavor the whole thing writing wise “

[rich grove]

deadlock unfortunately has some amount of overwatch face going on for its women but I think it's the funniest option personally if it's not just there for the mina harker pun, she's just Korean

yeah

[ivory reef]

yeah I do think they just made a korean alt of her

like look at her face she's def asian

[vast sandal]

Now give us Korean Dracula you cowards

[warped ridge]

I'm just waiting for the one where Winged learns about Nero Claudius unless she already did but last time it was brought up she thought Nero was from FGO.

[finite patrol]

Isn't Hà and Ha also vietnamese/chinese?

[ivory reef]

it is yes

[vast sandal]

Or wait, Dracula was a foreigner in Dracula so uh

Hmm

[warped ridge]

French. Got it

[vast sandal]

LMAO

[somber creek]

Mina is definitely Asian

[vast sandal]

Not a single damn good thing has come out of France…

[somber creek]

Wrong

[warped ridge]

Lies and propaganda.

[somber creek]

The word Ennui

[vast sandal]

Yes but it’s a funny image

[rich grove]

chat does he know,

[warped ridge]

I unfortunately just have not met a French Goth Werewolf girl

[ivory reef]

so happy she doesn't have to carry the entirety of deadlock's female fanbase on her back anymore

I can finally play her without having to fight with every transwoman in the vc

[warped ridge]

---ahh that's why

[finite patrol]

thats why they nerfed her

[rich grove]

not enough robot fuckers in your friend circle to have paradox perma-locked...

[warped ridge]

I was gonna be like, "but Haze" but then if you mean playing

Haze you gotta fight the weird fps players

[vast sandal]

Haze-

Ahh

Counter Strike players

[rich grove]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.tenor.com%2Fm%2FyCQKKWN4Bh0AAAAC%2Fhomelander-gen-v.gif&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=b5836f61aba49a9aae150beaf9c45bced53007145977de472f51a55b1a453965

[ivory reef]

please just let me play my hot bitchy vampire, you guys can be goth or hot wolfgirls and shit. or rem. leave me alone

[ivory reef]

yeah i'll admit, the girls also play haze a bit. and vindicta post remodel, thank god for that

[vast sandal]

Paradox is a Scottish woman

[ivory reef]

but mina was still The Girl You Wanna Be for ages

[vast sandal]

Have ya considered tha’

[rich grove]

haze is apparently voiced by a doll

[merry verge]

Paradox is the true pick

I just cannot play her for my life

[rich grove]

if that's true i'm going to [remembers my personal goals] go outside and have a lemonade in the park

[dusky flume]

The game is evil for making me choose between a cute vampire and a cute doggo

[warped ridge]

Look if Vindicta is the gateway for girlies to earn the bread by selling feet pics I'm glad they can make money somehow in this world

[dusky flume]

Pure evil

[finite patrol]

what does this mean

[somber creek]

They keep pulling the string on a haunted doll and it voice acts each line perfectly

[ivory reef]

i'm honestly shocked at how cool vindicta is personality wise, I definitely dismissed her as feet pic lady at the start and I suspect a lot of other women do too but then you listen to her and she's fucking based actually

[rich grove]

people claim that her voice actress is the trans woman who plays fuckin uhhhh. the cat lady from arcane

[somber creek]

They found it at a yard sale for someone who died 20 years ago

[vast sandal]

They put the mic in an abandoned building and hope for the best

[warped ridge]

Yes, yes she is

She's like Widowmaker but cool

[vast sandal]

Vindicta kills racists

[ivory reef]

she's like widowmaker with actual personality and she wins arguments actually

[vast sandal]

That’s pretty cool

[warped ridge]

Yus

[rich grove]

it's insane how absolutely nuclear hot her performance is as Haze and it gives me crippling envy, which reduces my bullet and spirit resist by 15% while i have voice lines on

[ivory reef]

meanwhile like. hmm. how do I describe why us girlies always pick mina

[vast sandal]

I do think it’s funny how Seven is a sociopathic murder dad who tells people off for not being their best selves and genuinely offers advice

[dusky flume]

I really want to try Vyper, I think she has a really cool vibe

[vast sandal]

What a funny guy

[rich grove]

seven might deadass be a stirnerite

[ivory reef]

yeah. yeah that's why.

[warped ridge]

She's the girl every girl wishes they were

[ivory reef]

she's the league of legends hottie of the cast

[vast sandal]

Seven is like “Rem do NOT fucking talk to a government spook. Ever”

[warped ridge]

The worst part is like

Billy seems too surface level for me for my punk vibes

Like he feels more performative

[vast sandal]

And “Graves please understand your teacher doesn’t have your best interests in mind”

[dusky flume]

I think Mina is neat. I want to bake her a cupcake.

Would I need blood?

[vast sandal]

Meanwhile, Seven is a maniac on the run from every law ever

[rich grove]

I think Mina would fw cake pops heavy

[warped ridge]

Meanwhile Seven I'm like, "yeah that fucker is a true punk even though he's a criminal"

Like how Nascar loving moonshiners hate the feds and hate ICE

[somber creek]

Is pocket Asian?

[vestal trench]

mina is the perfect mix of aesthetically distinguished and bratty

[rich grove]

pocket is way less confirmed/confirmable but I like to think so

[ivory reef]

pocket seems def asian to me yeah

[vestal trench]

im ngl holliday pocket and mina are all nebulously (w)asian to me

[rich grove]

Arin Fairfax is obviously a bit less uhhhhhhh

[ivory reef]

yeah holliday too

there are just a lot of asians integrated into this version of america

I love it ngl

[somber creek]

Holiday isnt Asian shes a half elf

[warped ridge]

I wish I had enough intelligence but unfortunately I'm dumb

[somber creek]

Thats the only way to describe how she looks

[rich grove]

holliday looks cornfed as hell to me I'm not gonna lie to you but she is cute as a button

[dusky flume]

I did clock Pocket as asian, does the game get specific on that?

[vestal trench]

like ha is viet sounding but like isnt it short for something like harker or did i dream that

[vast sandal]

No they just have a look

[ivory reef]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVR3B01NxiM

[rich grove]

nah mina ha is just a reference to the original dracula

[merry verge]

Holliday talks like she's 55 and looks 20

[ivory reef]

harker is the original dracula character

[somber creek]

Mina Harker is the character from Dracula

[ivory reef]

ha is vietnamese

[somber creek]

Jinx

[rich grove]

she's like. Joseph Gordon-Levitt

I've been burned before.

[somber creek]

Holiday is also at least partially white no matter what

[rich grove]

she's really clearly referencing Doc Holliday

[dusky flume]

Mina is Vietnamese? 👀

[vestal trench]

for sure though i could easily see her being half chinese but

[somber creek]

Her grandfather is literally doc holiday

[vestal trench]

hes canonically her grandfather

[somber creek]

Its mentioned several times

[rich grove]

mina ha, 🫵 you 🫵 are invited to tet

[somber creek]

Jinx x 3

I am gonna have so many cokes

[lavish grove]

Who’s Doc Holiday?

[vast sandal]

Famous gunfighter

[rich grove]

famous yeehaw western figure

[autumn field]

I thought you meant testosterone and I was like

[lavish grove]

Oh

[autumn field]

Transmasc Mina????

[rich grove]

hence holliday's trickshooting and lassooing

[autumn field]

And god damn that’s gotta be hot as shit

[rich grove]

and her Occult 45

(PLEASE CHANGE THAT WEAPON NAME BACK VALVE 😭)

[dusky flume]

I am super glad there's a bunch of cool girls in this game so far. It feels so hit or miss with MOBA rosters, but that may just be my inexperience talking.

[ivory reef]

i will note

we have no reason to believe victor has a penis

like

[vast sandal]

Occult .45 was probably changed for copyright reasons :(

[lavish grove]

What’s wrong with it?

[ivory reef]

it's extremely unnecessary for what he was built for

and he was built

like if you just make a human mannequin

you're getting the transmasc body type

[magic summit]

He could have several

[vestal trench]

anyonee who doesnt know who doc holliday is, watch TOMBSTONE!

[autumn field]

Lmao he/him lesbian Victor???

[vast sandal]

What kind of idiot would make a robot you can’t

[rich grove]

i'll admit i'm a lot more >:| about the newest batch of girls

[lavish grove]

I mean we don’t know why he was built, that’s part of his whole deal

[warped ridge]

It's deadlock. Someone somewhere can probably give him a magic penis

[rich grove]

but that's just me

[lavish grove]

He coulda just been the actual frankestein reason and his creator just wanted to make human life

[ivory reef]

that's cause you're old trans like me ada

[somber creek]

https://tenor.com/view/tombstone-huckleberry-smoking-doc-holliday-gif-14786076

[ivory reef]

we're sad bitches now

let the kids have their fun

[autumn field]

It’s like how Kay/O in Valorant wears pants despite being a CyBorg

[vestal trench]

i stiill think bebops "miss SHELLEY" might have also made him

[autumn field]

Who was HAND CRAFTED

He has no fucking reason to wear pants

[vast sandal]

You can have like 2 or 3 Mary Shelley references in a gothic ass hero shooter

[warped ridge]

I like the new cast for the most part

[vast sandal]

It’s morally correct

[autumn field]

I hope we get Apollo

Also as usual, can someone post kit

[somber creek]

I think the most accurate designation for Viktor would be intersex

[ivory reef]

5 minutes

[vestal trench]

we wont lawl, they gave her a model update with cute little buck teeth to rig the vote

[somber creek]

Or they/them not because hes non-binary but because hes literally etc etc

[lavish grove]

That does feel like the likely option

[warped ridge]

I just use the entire voting process to better understand the general deadlock playerbase

[vast sandal]

Viktor is a secret more sinister thing,
Unkillable

[autumn field]

What’s in your pants?
CHEAT DEATH

[dusky flume]

Is Victor a ken doll situation, or is that body fully customizable?

[rich grove]

I Am Too Brown ;-;

[dusky flume]

Nonbinary Victor?

[rich grove]

his pronouns are YOU
CAN'T
KILL ME

thats what the little boxes are for

that's his caard

[vestal trench]

extrapolating this out to the rest of the cast is very funny

[autumn field]

“So [he] YOU is basically unkillable”

[vast sandal]

everyone in Deadlock is nonbinary except for Bebop, who is a robot

[rich grove]

hebop

[autumn field]

“[he] YOU is such a bitch to kill like, mmmm yes [he] YOU deal 10391940 damage and heal for 194810402”

[dusky flume]

Robots can be nonbinary too 🙂‍↕️

[autumn field]

Bebop’s pronouns are be/bopped

[somber creek]

Thats warden

[rich grove]

as soon as you get a whiff of gnc on a character as a game designer you gotta put em in a mask or make them a robot and/or alien

[vast sandal]

not until IBM gets cracking on that quantum computing shit

[rich grove]

it's just the law

[finite grotto]

except himself when using aura :3

[rich grove]

cracking quantum computers? I wish I was

[vast sandal]

this jit-

[rich grove]

this JIT compiler

[vestal trench]

sadly you cant, ram is too expensive 😭

[edgy fog]

I was so mean to a Rem in Street Brawl as Mo and Krill

[finite grotto]

30 sec or so

[edgy fog]

I know how slippery Rem is... and M&K's ult is a perfect rebuttal

[autumn field]

i hope everyone hates apollo so i can main him for a day or two :3

[autumn field]

its time

[agile void]

HEHEHEHHEHEHE

[twilit roost]

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450/view/530996781696156969

lets goooooo

[autumn field]

ITS FUCKING CELEST

FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[finite grotto]

lesgo

[autumn field]

give kit

[agile void]

WOMANS OVER BOYS

[lavish grove]

Unicorn

[ivory reef]

NOOo

[warped ridge]

Good news.

He is the least liked out of the 6

[raven spindle]

YIPPPEEEE

[warped ridge]

So when he releases a bigger chance to actually play him

[rich grove]

clown stocks havent been this up since the ace attorney remaster

[somber creek]

Boooo

[vestal trench]

shes dazzlerrrrrrr

[dusky flume]

Wait, what's up with Celeste that people are booing?

[rich grove]

nothing serious people are just cheering for their sportsball teams

[warped ridge]

Not a hot boy

[ivory reef]

HOT BOY STOCKS IN SHAMBLES

[finite grotto]

her m1s bounce

[twilit roost]

obnoxious highschooler has to wait till thursday

[finite grotto]

i lover her dashes

[lavish shale]

Apollo last as expected

[warped ridge]

I was curious

[ivory reef]

oh my god

she's lich

they released lich

[warped ridge]

But this is good to know cause then you can play off these picks when thinking about the general playerbase

[somber creek]

Shes the only white woman with more than 2 stam

[ivory reef]

she has chain frost

[rich grove]

paradox could be white

you don't know

[winged terrace]

SHES LICH

[ivory reef]

they made LICH a hot girl

that's brilliant

okay but huh. she's not really a cc character at all really

[rich grove]

-baldurs gate 3 or something

[autumn field]

infinite range???

[ivory reef]

I wonder if she's another nuker for me

[merry verge]

her animations are so fun

[ivory reef]

oh my god her voice

she's a vtuber

[vast sandal]

oh hey Billy Lich we thought you were dead

[winged terrace]

They fucked around and put chain frost in a 3d game

[ivory reef]

is this d.va's voice actress?

[dusky flume]

Please be her

Rescue my girl from OW 🙏

[winged terrace]

I’m gonna turn a corner and get killed by chain frost out of nowhere

[finite grotto]

oh her m1 feels really nice

[twilit roost]

they added sparkles to all of her dashes

[ivory reef]

they DID lmao

@boreal torrent

[winged terrace]

Girlypop

[dusky flume]

I love that she has a wand

[raven spindle]

her VA is exactly how i wanted her to sound

[boreal torrent]

cute

[agile void]

mmmmm

She....

[ivory reef]

she sounds so punchable

[agile void]

kinda feels like she is like.....

[ivory reef]

you're right

[agile void]

a more slow fire rate wraith or infernus

[agile void]

seems like you want to build her up for hybrid

[raven spindle]

she's the only character in the cast with a more obvious new york accent

and i adore this for her

[rich grove]

well as soon as I get out of work I'm just gonna be inting my games trying to do the equivalent of brim lineups with her 3

[frail jasper]

Spirit nuker Celeste, surprised she got the Lich ult from dota

[rich grove]

OPEN UP THE SKY

[finite grotto]

wait she is cracked 1v1

[frail jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464051327347982480/1470540942649069578/image.png?ex=698bab7a&is=698a59fa&hm=3fd17cf8befe090c029fa0c4b7d77d92535529e6c33e3a5f2465b904587e5cc4&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464051327347982480/1470540984814272755/image.png?ex=698bab84&is=698a5a04&hm=e35c298440e82b4de1e7db92531f7c090c7dc00ce81e1130e327d17e4476bb46&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464051327347982480/1470541047259070524/image.png?ex=698bab92&is=698a5a12&hm=b7b68a860126727ba0cf5d7b8becb296b5f6641f2cb1a6b6cbbc9a9b1c0846a9&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1464051327347982480/1470541105731866801/image.png?ex=698baba0&is=698a5a20&hm=f8a1cd82faf476fc100dde1980180644d1697db3f99df28bccb2a919ba49dfa6&

[finite patrol]

its fucking chain frost lets go

[finite grotto]

on max 2 you can bounce her ult between yourself and an enemy

[rich grove]

she abbadon on my shield til I

[autumn field]

she sounds incredibly spirit

[rich grove]

wait like you can fucking headbutt it while you're shielded

[dusky flume]

thresh

[rich grove]

lmfaoooooooooo

[autumn field]

with a good amount of green

[rich grove]

holy shit I was wondering what that meant

[finite grotto]

no it auto comes to you and then bounces back

[vast sandal]

is it Chain Frost or Wrath of Nature

[finite grotto]

AND ITS FAR

[rich grove]

huh

[merry verge]

She has like

[rich grove]

volvo please

[upbeat perch]

lingering on no bounce target, chain frost

[merry verge]

better air control?

[rich grove]

air control is a stat in game

[finite grotto]

at this distance the ball comes back to you with max 2 and then cgoes back o nthe anymore any so on

[merry verge]

well hers is phenomenal

[rich grove]

I think you can see it on maj leap or something similar?

[autumn field]

100 spirit on max 2 deals... 1575 damage?

[ivory reef]

damn she may be a winged character after all

[rich grove]

there's one green item that flat gives you bonus airstrafe iirc

[agile void]

3 charges on her 3

[ivory reef]

I was expecting a cc mage

not an air control killer

I may be playing this bitch

[agile void]

by base practically

[autumn field]

wait no

[finite grotto]

but i also have greater expansion so i dont know if that is also affected by it

[agile void]

but no I feel you kinda want to build her hybrid

[rich grove]

she got airdashes and a delayed projectile

[merry verge]

Pretty tight range on stuff

[rich grove]

I am noticing a trend

[autumn field]

about 2000 damage?

[agile void]

your 1 if you hit people makes your gun hit spirit

[finite grotto]

Ok without range expansion the ball bounces back at this distance ish (with max 2)

[dusky flume]

Will I ever get someone as me-coded as that doll girl from League?

[rich grove]

actually

[merry verge]

Bounces farther than Graves autos

[granite heath]

No you voted Apollo you don't get to steal her!

[finite patrol]

are those decorations on her tights or is she hella inked

[rich grove]

the way people are describing her air movement she might legit have lower gravity

ugh I need to framecount...

[ivory reef]

look she looks like a bitch, I think she's my kin

[finite grotto]

ye she seems floaty

[twilit roost]

mercurial magnum on her 1 is so good

[granite heath]

Gravity is a stat too right? One of the Brawl items modifies it.

[merry verge]

Stole a stamina from Silver >:[

[agile void]

oh shit

[finite grotto]

ok the ult seems pretty cracked if you manage like a dynamo ult or voertex

[agile void]

her gun bounces from targets

[rich grove]

exactly why I thought of it as an explanation, yeah

[agile void]

I thought it only bounced from walls

[finite grotto]

wait