no, but the last one I had no games in
#Deadlock
final osprey
- Mo & Krill: Burrow initial knockup vertical area detection improved
- Mo & Krill: Sand Blast now deals a fixed 40 damage
- Mo & Krill: Sand Blast can now be casted while Burrowed
- Mo & Krill: Sand Blast T2 increased from -19s Cooldown to -23s
- Mo & Krill: Sand Blast T3 now also slows dash distance by 40%
These Mo & Krill changes seem very delicious.
- Sinclair: Rabbit Hex cooldown reduced from 30s to 26s
- Sinclair: Rabbit Hex radius increased from 6m to 6.5m
Do not like these Sinclair changes though. I think his rabbit hex is already really really annoying. Especially late game.
twilit roost
Grey Talon: Rain of Arrows cooldown reduced from 35s to 30s
- Grey Talon: Rain of Arrows T3 now also grants +30% Bullet Evasion
- Grey Talon: Guided Owl duration increased from 16s to 18s
- Grey Talon: Guided Owl T1 damage increased from +81 to +85
- Grey Talon: Guided Owl Spirit Power per kill increased from 5 to 8
Ac130 build is back
agile void
so rain of arrows 3 is like haze/mirage ignoring bullets?
astral lava
He's pants
merry verge
him pant.. i'm glad they kept the shape language
agile void
him pant.. i'm glad they kept the shape language
I mean they specifically didnt
they just made him chunky in the chest area
merry verge
they just added some metalmeat to his bones
guess i should say 'i'm glad they kept his ridiculous giant landmine hand'
agile void
done the challenge on billy
fuck this game Im taking a break until the new heroes come.
I didn 60 fucking matches this last week
stable forum
Important question
is 'children who kind of suck' inclusive of Bebop?
quiet sapphire
Important question
is 'children who kind of suck' inclusive of Bebop?
bebop finds a mystery donation for $100 in the mailbox from LashBack
agile void
Important question
is 'children who kind of suck' inclusive of Bebop?
if Bebop counts as a kid then Child labour
final osprey
I don't think we know how old bebop is, but we also dont know how much information he was created with built in
agile void
I don't think we know how old bebop is, but we also dont know how much informati...
bebop is half pinocchio and half frankestein with Miss shelley being the name of the author of the book
on to other stuff, This is how my challenge run in the chirstmas event of deadlock went
the number at the top is the KDA of the winning match, the number at the side is the matches it took me to get the win.
vivid nimbus
Oh you got through all 32?
agile void
Oh you got through all 32?
yes
vivid nimbus
Congrats!
vivid nimbus
I see Pocket and Shiv gave a bit of trouble too
agile void
pocket is just squishy and all his damage is movement too
it was bound to be problematic
shiv I just have trouble playing as him, people say he is a free win but it doesnt change that he is feast or famine
merry verge
Yeah I've never been able to grasp Shiv, folks say you can basically just spam knives but idek
final osprey
I don't quite remember playing Shiv. I know it happened and I felt immortal but the specifics have dissapeared
warm sonnet
If Rage is full, stay winning
If Rage isn't full, get Rage full
With Rage, Be The Truck, Hit The Them
Without Rage, Be The Isekai, Get Run The Over
merry verge
Yeah it's definitely the rage mechanic on top of being a close range mobility fella
I don't really like the feel of maintaining it
astral lava
now that it doesnt build off creeps it feels like it takes forever to build
warm sonnet
It currently encourages skirmishing until it's built up, or ganking to then initiate teamfights
The issue with the former is that you need to farm, and fighting without killing stops money
The issue with the latter is that you're already fighting
quiet sapphire
yeah you really want to see a teamfight happening very soon and land a knife or 2 before the big brawl starts
agile void
yeah you really want to see a teamfight happening very soon and land a knife or ...
or catch someone with decay
warm sonnet
Average Vindicta Experience
buoyant plank
I just found out that Vyper's VA also did AllMind in armored core and this does not compute
autumn field
I just found out that Vyper's VA also did AllMind in armored core and this does ...
I thought you meant Viper (TitanFall 2 for a sec) and I was like
Mmm yes that makes sense
agile void
Average Vindicta Experience
That is less ricochet and more Return fire
warm sonnet
Was thinking more about the mind- and grindset on display
agile void
yeah yeah Im just saying
agile void
short quiver
agile void
buoyant plank
oh shit the yearly funke vid
agile void
the update has been guaranteed
twilit roost
New dedicated jungler role in the subway and it's 4 lanes
warm sonnet
The Baroness is opened and plays as a roguelike, entirely separate from the rest of the game
But
You get +20% Damage if you make it through
Average completion time, 20 minutes
twilit roost
Baroness surf map, only accessible via buying the key at a shop
warm sonnet
Doorman gets +21% damage, employee benefits
agile void
buoyant plank
Baroness surf map, only accessible via buying the key at a shop
Combine these, jungle role is subway surfers
finite patrol
ITS TIME TO PUSH THE LANES
final osprey
The fact that counterspell can choose to trigger on a like, torment pulse trigger and a bebop 1000 damage bomb is really annoying
agile void
merry verge
Damn, Sacrifice, Economy Game ain't it
I do wonder if they'll ever give Kinetic Dash like a cooldown or somethin
It's a lotta stuff for 1600
(Not that I think it's like nerfworthy just that tends to happen when things are that)
finite patrol
its way too efficient atm
merry verge
like the price is also 'using movement you want to be using anyway', it's even helping you practice a skill
finite patrol
cultist and dash probably need a redesign
agile void
the gun side needs tweaks in general
rich grove
in fairness if you dont buy extra stam yoshi comes to your house and takes you hostage
astral lava
dash does have a cool cooldown technically it should probably just get some small changes numberwise
agile void
stable forum
a
agile void
a
tbh having played a bit of lash for the challenge
I dont disagree with the statement
final osprey
I wanted to start playing Lash but the complete inconsistency of most of his abilities has stopped me
stable forum
...weh?
Ground Strike (1) in particular is kinda hard to hit without Ability Range or a bunch of pracitce
but Flog (3) is very consistent. It's just got this thing where the more Spirit Power you have, the wider it's cone is, whic can feel a bit weird.
Death Slam has uhh
some issues, yeah. Mostly any LoS blocker will stop it, including trees, veils, etcetera.
warm sonnet
The flog complaint is just them not accounting for the ability wind-up innate to every abilitty (I believe)
Or, at least the wraith clip
wintry arrow
finite patrol
release vyper moment
agile void
if this is too political I will delete it
buoyant plank
I thought that was seven
warm sonnet
Seven wouldn't work for the government
agile void
agile void
finite patrol
from @agabadoogi on the bad bird site
agile void
vivid nimbus
I figure in like a week or two
magic summit
I made a called shot for the 19th
This makes me think slightly later but I'm sticking to it
bleak thicket
time to open a polymarket bet
agile void
warm sonnet
Yoshi... Deadlock... buff my mains...
vivid nimbus
Who're your mains?
vivid nimbus
Gosh
finite patrol
buff all of them??
warm sonnet
Buff my mains
agile void
mood
agile void
twilit roost
finite patrol
yoshi...
final osprey
Will it be a few days normal or a few valve days
finite patrol
probably
vivid nimbus
I bet Friday morning with a hotfix in the afternoon
agile void
sounds like either thursday or friday if we are repeating hero voting
unless its wednesday
vivid nimbus
Hero voting?
agile void
Hero voting?
in the first batch we were voting who got unlocked first
mina just entered, the rest were added as per community votes
vivid nimbus
Looked it up, and oh I see
Each match you play gives you a vote to cast
finite patrol
Mina probably would have won the first vote anyway
agile void
yeah she was the first leaked and goth mommy so it was a safe call
vivid nimbus
How much was known about the six besides their portraits?
finite patrol
shes a brat
agile void
How much was known about the six besides their portraits?
not much beyond vibes
finite patrol
some stuff was leaked
agile void
and some leaks or what you could find in the build itself
this time it will probably be the same or at the very least we will get their adjectives
finite patrol
like we knew doorman had some kind of teleportation and that Victor had skeleton king ult
vivid nimbus
So people who paid attention to leaks knew a little more but there wasn't official previews or anything
agile void
yeah
because Im pretty sure some of their kits were modified from leaks
I remember before Doorman did basically a mcginnis wall
that later became his cart
even if we have some ideas or the icons, dont expect the leaked ability to be the same
finite patrol
Yup has happened every time there's been leaks from the closed test servers
agile void
-
Respawn time at 19 minutes reduced from 35s to 30s
-
Respawn time at 30 minutes reduced from 75s to 70s
-** You now have a longer respawn time if you die and are meaningfully richer than the enemy team's average net worth (scales from +6s to +22s penalty, based on networth being 15 to 30% higher and game time being 10min to 25min, if under 15% NW or 10min, nothing happens)** -
Neutral respawn times, hp, and bounty reduced by 30% (sinner's sacrifice unaffected)
-
Urn no longer requires a drop off channel time
-
Urn is now knocked out of your hands with a light melee (instead of only with a heavy melee)
-
Urn pickup channel time is reset if you get hit with a light or heavy melee
-
Can no longer parry while channeling to pickup the urn
-
Urn carrier resist reduced from 50% to 30%
-
Down Dash stamina cost reduced from 1 to 0.5
-
Stamina Regen in the healing zone is now dramatically increased
-
Kinetic Dash: Ammo count reduced from +8 to +6
-** You now have a longer respawn time if you die and are meaningfully richer than the enemy team's average net worth (scales from +6s to +22s penalty, based on networth being 15 to 30% higher and game time being 10min to 25min, if under 15% NW or 10min, nothing happens)**
this sounds important
twilit roost
instant urn dropoff is big, can't take the fight slightly back from the dropoff point if you want to stop them
astral lava
light melee tho
vivid nimbus
Kinetic Dash nerf? Have I been sleeping on that item?
bleak thicket
viscous mvp urn defender
agile void
Kinetic Dash nerf? Have I been sleeping on that item?
4 people per match in those games got that iten
finite patrol
Kinetic Dash nerf? Have I been sleeping on that item?
yes
rich grove
Kinetic Dash nerf? Have I been sleeping on that item?
4800 soul investment bonus goes CRAZY
vivid nimbus
... Wait I also don't play a lot of gun builds and often have other gun items for that investment like cult sac or titanic mag
agile void
more stamina(good) plus more fire rate(good)
agile void
... Wait I also don't play a lot of gun builds and often have other gun items fo...
cult sac is number one
rich grove
yeah it's also that yoshi shoots you in the head with a gun if you don't have extra stam
vivid nimbus
Yeah I see that
agile void
you still need a tier 2 to make the 4.8 investment
rich grove
so buying the slot efficient upgrade that gives a 4.8 and is also a good item is just stonks
agile void
kinetic dash also has the big advantage that everyone can make use of that skill
meanwhile arcane surge is like....
vivid nimbus
Heroic aura and fleetfoot! That's the other ones I was thinking of
agile void
good, but not worth buying on a lot of chars
rich grove
historically arcane surge is also hysterically buggy
vivid nimbus
yeah it's also that yoshi shoots you in the head with a gun if you don't have ex...
Yeah but I've tended to get stam mastery for it
rich grove
1600 souls saved is pretty enormous
finite patrol
I would say you might be overvaluing stamina mastery. its pretty narrow where it's better than dash or warp stone for extra movement
unless you're a lash main or similar in which case yeah mastery all the way
final osprey
Yoshi saw one too many Doorman Urn clip I guess, had to shut him down
vivid nimbus
Can Ivy still ferry urn carriers?
finite patrol
yep
ivy and Kelvin can still provide decent urn support
but they were never on the level of doorman
bleak thicket
lol
twilit roost
It's always the pepper players shit talking
merry verge
..Who?
vivid nimbus
One of the upcoming characters
There's also like more fanart of her than there are frames of leaked footage
twilit roost
What do you mean the update is out, they added facets. Infernus is turbo busted now
astral lava
they only added them for infernus nobody else got them
bleak thicket
youre joking but its not like facets are universal in dota :P
upbeat perch
spectre: pouts
buoyant plank
It's always the pepper players shit talking
The homophobic pepper vs the racist seven
warm sonnet
Don't forget about the Red/Blue Abraham facets
finite patrol
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qhjhzv/what_no_patch_does_to_...
Jesus christ
you know I was thinking of joining that server for a bit
bleak thicket
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qhjhzv/what_no_patch_does_to_...
if x doesnt stop well punish you
first mistake honestly
just double the slow mode
if it keeps up set it to 30 minutes
most people will get bored
and in the case of devs asking to let people spam, just make a dedicated channel for it till the patch comes out, and ban the ones that abuse it with bad gifs/stickers
agile void
> if x doesnt stop well punish you
first mistake honestly
just double the slow m...
they did do that, it just got a bit unruly being like 200k people
bleak thicket
sounds like they have plenty of space to ban :3
bleak thicket
https://bskye.app/profile/shuuko.bsky.social/post/3md24klumos2r @ivory reef @mystic breach
nsfw profile otherwise
agile void
mild flume
lmao people treating it as the pentagon
upbeat perch
is this the same image as HL3 rumor a while back with day of the week changed?
vivid nimbus
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qk5yuy/yeap_we_have_completel...
Unless you're bringing day over day comparisons I don't wanna hear "busy during lunch hour"
finite patrol
is this the same image as HL3 rumor a while back with day of the week changed?
yes
I think this was actually posted for deadlock back in August
vivid nimbus
https://www.rxddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1qk6xdg/the_whole_deadlock_community_right_now/ (no sound in original either)
vestal hearth
They all look so gpod!
finite patrol
yeah these designs fuck
twilit roost
All the characters with big aoe abilities eating so good off the new items
vivid nimbus
Recharging Rush sounds like a damage meter so doing 600 to one hero counts as much as 200 damage to three heroes
merry verge
Calico get out of the vents
frail jasper
All the characters with big aoe abilities eating so good off the new items
Viscous Mains: "I hate that gun is the meta"
Yoshi: *releases two items that incentivize gun viscous even more >:) *
merry verge
Is it me or could Celeste be a Kpop Demon Hunters villain
vivid nimbus
OTOH... what happens if Recharging Rush needs less damage than Vindicta ult does?
merry verge
Something about her hair idek
warm sonnet
OTOH... what happens if Recharging Rush needs less damage than Vindicta ult does...
Emergency balance update
Oh dang, forgot to not ping
vivid nimbus
I <3 pings because I channel hop a lot
vivid nimbus
Thinking what other charge abilities might be really funny with it
Like McGinnis turrets, esp if it works on minions
frail jasper
Speaking of Viscous and the new items, Puddle Punch does melee damage (weapon damage) and is charge based.
Punch Viscous stocks rising.
vivid nimbus
Oh wait just noticed it specifies weapon damage, that does calm it down some, okay
That'll teach me to read
Turret McGinnis might still like it for her second gun item tho
finite patrol
probably <@&1277035919182008330> is wise at this time
patch dropped:
https://playdeadlock.com/oldgods
feral umbra
oooooooo
frail jasper
the two new gun items
autumn field
holy shit
twilit roost
that's such a low damage threshold for rush lol
warm sonnet
Relatively high cooldown however
It also forces a specific rhythm, since it would reasonably activate too early if you keep an eye on your cds
frail jasper
Speaking of Viscous and the new items, Puddle Punch does melee damage (weapon da...
I can confirm that Viscous Puddle Punch can trigger Recharging Rush, immediately refunding a charge.
So share this with stuff like uh...
IDK not many characters have melee abilites + charge abilities. Drifer I guess. But it still does enable some rapid charge punishment, especially early game.
vivid nimbus
It also forces a specific rhythm, since it would reasonably activate too early i...
Though much less likely to be wasted if it's an ability you open with
autumn field
i might play w/ the new no-grind mode
vivid nimbus
I think getting it twice in an extended fight is gonna be common
autumn field
since that removes the bit that sucks most
winged terrace
rem is so little guy
twilit roost
I like the new pick 3 game mode
twilit roost
update broke the game
bleak thicket
oh?
twilit roost
can't aim cursor is stuck happened to the whole lobby oops
merry verge
the whole lobby is at least Kinda Funny instead of deeply frustrating for a couple folks
new game mode
finite patrol
goldeneye mode...
autumn field
new gamemode fun asf
shy quiver
Silver is making me 😳
finite patrol
I think silver is doing that to a lot of people
vestal hearth
Bi-panic, yes.
vivid nimbus
So... Calico can use the new tunnels in the map as Ava, what happens if you're in a tunnel when the timer runs out?
magic summit
So... Calico can use the new tunnels in the map as Ava, what happens if you're i...
You are either stuck or if you are in a space where you can't be while normal sized you rapidly die
vivid nimbus
Good to know
I assume if there's room to stand, you just have to wait around for cooldown
final osprey
The new game mode is insane. Really interesting exciting stuff.
finite patrol
you are stuck
frail jasper
I assume if there's room to stand, you just have to wait around for cooldown
Yes. There's actually a kind-of ridiculous amount of walkable space in the tiny tunnels, full of tiny boxes that only Calico (Ava) and Rem (supposedly) are able to access.
vivid nimbus
They should also let Mo and Krill burrow through them IMO
vestal hearth
Ivy?
autumn field
new gamemode makes deadlock actually fun to me
vestal hearth
I was unsure because she is critter shaped.
frail jasper
Ivy is not smol, no.
vivid nimbus
And Vyper slithering through tunnels would be funny but she'd probably run out of slide speed in a lot of them
finite patrol
the new map is banging but a little janky
yeah i think she's getting voted in first
frail jasper
here's a heap of (most of) the unique items you can get in Street Brawl. There's six not included because I don't have the item path to spawn it :(
vivid nimbus
Shrink ray is realy funny
frail jasper
Yeah, it's an entire underground routing system that only Calico and Rem are able to use.
vivid nimbus
Also apparently a few spots that Dynamo can teleport into
vivid nimbus
Which makes me curious if Doorman can get a door in there
Which if so, can be really mean to banish someone to the backrooms
rich grove
doors take significantly more headroom than a character
probably some jank spots with overlapping hulls but the problem with doors is that you can't place them in places you should be able to fit them
not the converse
at least when I played
vivid nimbus
Yeah but there's also some large spaces down there so I wonder if there's any in sight of the right gaps
viral galleon
First game of street brawl after not playing deadlock for a while. Still have no idea what's going on but was fun
Billy Big Bonk 😌
spiral slate
Does anyone know where we can find info on the kits for the new characters? I've only been able to grab spotty bits and bobs myself
frail jasper
There's nothing official out yet and I expect we'll only get details as they get voted into the roster over the next three weeks
warm sonnet
Graves reportedly plays like Undying from DoTAs 2
Put down summoning totem
Respawn weirdly
But can also throw an exploding zombie at people
buoyant plank
spiral slate
There's nothing official out yet and I expect we'll only get details as they get...
Fair, I was asking if anyone knew any good leaks
finite patrol
what leaks are available are really low res pictures from last month and likely unreliable. you could search for pictures posted in this channel and find a few.
spiral slate
Rats
twilit roost
finite patrol
seven seems very strong in street brawl
2nd time I played our team was warden Dynamo seven lash
all team fight ults all the time
twilit roost
I played some talon and got mvp, everyone is usually clumped up so each arrow is hitting multiple people
Also 700 dmg arrows plus mystic reverb is disgusting
warped ridge
eh Seven still gets scope crept by the newer heroes
but he's atleast somewhat useable
mobaisms kinda dictate harassers + cc will win over everything else
only unfortunate fact about brawlfact is still got randos that are hyper greedy
good news is matches are quick lol
winged terrace
How good are the default builds?
twilit roost
Not very
finite patrol
best to just grab one of the top rated builds using the browser
all builds will be a little bad right now probably
winged terrace
Ok
finite patrol
this has a list of curated builds for each hero
Just click on the hero to get the build id
winged terrace
Ok
stable forum
I am 2 and 0 with punch haze
stable forum
I wonder how many I can do in a day
brawl matches are faster if you care
finite patrol
that's what they've been playing
autumn field
I like how brawl reduces lots of the macro play down which makes it feel a lot easier for newer players
The shorter fights help a lot too
buoyant plank
good to know Seven is still "hit 2 buttons" guy
Yes, W and M1 :v
warped ridge
how are you build crafting with it?
to me it's the same "I have no idea what items do but it sounds like it does something"
like I'm def a uhh
timmy
Idk what items do I just like mashing buttons and m1
bleak thicket
i mean
you build craft like youd do in a rogue like
i had spirit leech in the first round of 3
so i went for a spirit heavy build
warped ridge
you think I build craft in rogue likes?
I just go "yeah this looks like it lets my ability do this"
bleak thicket
thats build craft
warped ridge
I didn't beat Kernel Hearts sinner difficulty by thinking about my choices, I was like "man I don't like either of these options, this one just looks like it does more damage"
bleak thicket
when you pick a thing that works with your build
thats build craft
warped ridge
yeh but I feel like I don't get it still tho, as far as like, items working together
warped ridge
like I can go "ooo lifesteal" and just click the shiny green item
bleak thicket
yeah thats it
warped ridge
but what about what my team builds and the enemy builds and counterpicking and build pathing items together?
bleak thicket
your only concern about your team is like, working around big ults
dynamo/lash/geist/moe and krill
things that let you focus people uninterupted or bring them real low
warped ridge
oh so not actually items, just action footsies?
bleak thicket
yeah
idk why id ever care about my teams items unless im in vc on discord and can communicate with people i know will listen
and even then, its on them to call active items they have
if i have a focus lens, its on me to call that im putting it on someone
not on them to notice i put it on someone
warped ridge
see I thought the average moba player thinks about things like that so I assumed I was ultra casual by not paying attention
bleak thicket
at some point it becomes worth thinking about it yes
but im not gonna sit there minute 1 of a dota game and think about the phantom assassins bkb
warped ridge
😭
bleak thicket
thats a minute 20 concern
warped ridge
I thought that was a 1 minute concern that you just play around, that's what I always did in any ranked moba
merry verge
I pay very little attention to teammie items unless searching for counters
Mostly just "oh those are weird bars" at the end of a match
warped ridge
like to be clear when I play casually I don't even look
I just go "hit buttons, are they dying? no, I must not be hitting buttons gooder enough"
merry verge
I just wanna know if i have to buy knockdown or not
warped ridge
pocket or mina = knockdown for me
bleak thicket
buy knockdown
merry verge
Nono
bleak thicket
or dynamo or haze
merry verge
I mean if they have it
warped ridge
dynamo or haze I just win the 1v1
bleak thicket
oh true
merry verge
I dont wanna buy Fourth Knockdown etc
warped ridge
pocket or mina can run and I always get so sad 😭
bleak thicket
but honestly an enemy on knockdown ill start thinking about it when it hits me
twilit roost
pocket and mina will just dodge the knock though
bleak thicket
and no earlier
merry verge
Slowing Hex makes mina sad
twilit roost
yeah slowing hex is where it's at for mina
bleak thicket
mina you just knockdown when she ults
warped ridge
ye
bleak thicket
same with seven and bebop
warped ridge
it's what I miss about vindicta is just shooting them in the face with a sniper
twilit roost
I don't know usually mina has her dodge up and can use it while ulting
seven and bebop 100% though knock is great
warped ridge
if I'm trash talking to myself I just call mina low skill and move on, regardless of how true it is
cause otherwise Idk how to cope when mina gets away
twilit roost
oh my god he slides on his little pillow https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadlockTheGame/comments/1ql4ct0/exploring_the_new_vents_as_rem/
merry verge
I do worry about hitting his liddol hitbox
twilit roost
hit the person playing them?
warped ridge
look if you somehow figure out how to do that through the internet, you should twitch stream without a facecam and just like, dumpster lobbies by jiggling ethernet ports from people's computers through the internet
no one can prove you're cheating
make enough money to retire, then just silently dissappear
hell become a pngtuber
make yourself a can opener
finite patrol
i really like the brawl mode
Definitely needs some tuning but its sweet yeah
like trophy collector should not really be an item you can get haha
vivid nimbus
2nd person I'm voting for
Rem was definitely favored to win the poll before the portraits were revealed, but now it looks like Silver
agile void
mild flume
I thought that was a 1 minute concern that you just play around, that's what I a...
I mean like
I think there are multiple layers to it
some characters and builds just care about raw efficiency of stats and number go up
almost singleplayer game style
and then there is like really specific item pick counterpick matchup stuff, I need this to counter this and I need this to lock them off that so if I can bait this then I can do that stuff
I can give dota examples there
I feel like in deadlock its like mostly the former esp in the like, street brawl mode, but the latter does come up
but for something like this mode you can get pretty far on just the former
(it also depends a bit on char choice)
agile void
also that depends entirely if the game gives you counter choices
mild flume
like in dota its extremely important to be able to figure these things out for some characters and matchups
agile void
like sure, I will pick gun defense if the enemy is haze/drifter/wraith and.... i dunno, Mirage?
but that depends if I even GET the choice
mild flume
I think like
if they have a seven in street brawl
anyone picks knockdown or curse any choice
and you always reroll at least once to get it
agile void
actually good you mentioned hum
I had a match with a friend
seven
got unstoppable from minute 1
so me and my friend were basically playing around seeing when he pops unstoppable to shut him down
mild flume
yeah you gotta bait it or run from it
or maybe if you have the right char, someone can gun him through it
agile void
still, seven unstoppable, You prefer to not challenge that
agile void
one thing I do think they should do
is maybe allow you to have an unrestricted choice, if its a roguelite
like maybe in round 3 or 5
mild flume
that would be interesting but I do like purely cobbling builds together
agile void
you having the option to buy 1 thing from the shop un bothered
mild flume
that you have to work out how the fuck to make things work without like
core bits of your kit
I had a game with geist where I got 0 spirit resist or spell lifesteal
so I was just on like, I get x casts of my spells a bit back from drain
and ult
then I die
it was quite interesting to play
finite patrol
her gun is pretty good
mild flume
yeah I just didn't get good gun stuff early
mild flume
I got a like rare surge of power in the first set
and tankbuster and escalating exposure on the second I think
plus playing on 230ish ping makes gun a little worse
finite patrol
Australian tax?
Oceania has its own servers right? or do you have to play in NA/Asia
mild flume
Australian tax?
NZ yeah, and I play with people in the US and europe so we kinda settle on US servers
but sometimes the matchmaker puts me in europe anyway
agile void
banger from maxor from 2 days ago
finite patrol
I could imagine geist being very high rolly
like if you get leech expansion radregen cooldown and just spam bombs that is amazing but yeah would really benefit from some kind of enhanced choice
rich grove
sometimes you just be playing green haze
finite patrol
warm sonnet
finite patrol
look in the portal
winged terrace
autumn field
looking so jolly
rich grove
SO whimsical
autumn field
like he isnt literally satan cosplaying a twink who definitely doesnt eat souls for breakfast
autumn field
warm sonnet
Though the souls
autumn field
let me make my joke
warm sonnet
No doubts
autumn field
hmph
autumn field
deadlock is a weird game
on one hand
you can smite someone in 0.2 seconds
on the other hand, it takes 10 minutes to die
warm sonnet
That's skill expression bby
autumn field
on one hand, you have wolf mommy, on the other, eepy little birb
warm sonnet
That's also skill expression
autumn field
That's skill expression bby
nah im talking about how item progression works, moreof
i dont play mobas though, so this is like, opinion of someone who mains hypermobile melee main who cant aim
well, i can, im just not very good at it in deadlock for some reason
new gamemode is a lot easier to play around though
warm sonnet
As someone who plays lane-fighters, the skill expression in DOTA 2 and 3 (Deadlock) is in the moment to moment gameplay, and the macro decisions of which lanes to go down, which talents to pick and items to build into
autumn field
since orb discrepancy is kinda removed, plus macro
warm sonnet
The macro game is constricted to the post-round picks, so it makes it less of an overhead issue throughout the entire game.
autumn field
pre-round, technically
when it comes to like, what im good at, it's a very specific finals build
light, sword (wide arc, alt click is a charged dash for high dmg), dash, and then sonar/invis/flex-util
i used to main doomfist in overwatch
warm sonnet
High-impact, low consistency moves, yeah
I am a lot like that
In shooters, I always lean towards shotguns or cqb weaponry (like SMGs) because I cannot lead shots for the life of me.
autumn field
im very consistent on sword
generally, my KDR is about 1.8-2.2 depending on how locked in i am
and often times its 3+, highest was i think, 12.0?
lots of times its less mechanically better, and more, "better at macro/awareness than the enemy"
i think id like deadlock more if they compressed the time to kill and respawn timer
that's just how i roll
which is kinda why brawl is so much more fun, cuz you get into that compressed timespace faster and the respawn timer only really jumps in overtime
warm sonnet
I honestly have no issue with the TTK in Deadlock, even when I'm losing. A shorter time to kill means you have less time to react to enemy actions and vice versa. While it may make it easier to catch someone unawares, it hinders interesting gameplay when you don't have recourse in situations where you are at a disadvantage.
autumn field
personally im used to playing the glass cannons with huge battlefield control tools over raw damage as their "cannon"
which is why my finals build is info + anti-visibility + mobility + mobility
warm sonnet
Scout-pilled shinobi-cel
autumn field
which means
very fast ttk by raw damage
actually kinda slow because of utility + skills to escape said damage
so that's kinda why i want to play lash
warm sonnet
Looking at my most successful Deadlock champions: I do well on Spirit-Burst Tank Shiv because I really just Slice and Dice, throw a knife, and then run away until I can bleed out an execute.
Or Viper, when I get to slither in and lay down the crime in some poor foole.
autumn field
i hope deadlock comes out with someone who does this
autumn field
im a melee player in the finals so as long as im looking in about a 60 degree angle towards the target i deal full damage
hypermobility melee...
but thats just yamato 
warm sonnet
Holiday is an "ideal" protagonist for me simply because I like skill expression abilities like her headshot passive or barreul punchen. But i don't land it
Apollo, where are you my boy...?
autumn field
but i dont like vyper
cuz i cant aim
and mobility feels weird when there's no sprint button to me
im best on victor but i hate victor he's so boring...
warm sonnet
That might just be a habit you've taken for granted
autumn field
i like sprint
i really just think the optimal form of gaming is hypermobility battlefield control glass cannons
which is Glitch! in Marathon!
i wouldve been so happy if doomfist was doomfist 1's doomfist i think
i wonder if deadlock will ever have a true melee character
warm sonnet
Don't think so
But looking at Driftus, which is the shortest range guy, I wouldn't be surprised if Apollo had a low-range piercing "shot" as his main attack
autumn field
like, a gun that's a big fucking sword
autumn field
what that
warm sonnet
Light-weight samurai warrior
autumn field
if apollo is actual true melee i think i'd die happy
or like
the shotgun melee kinda deal
where aim is less important and raw fucking mobility is
warm sonnet
Renowned for very quick light melee attacks and dodge-parry
warm sonnet
I try to go for Movement Speed maxing but I haven't gotten it to work
Comfort is they key to killing
autumn field
i think i do slidemaxxing
i need dash to be on q for me
my fingers dash via q these days
also, if deadlock ever lets you "scroll" through abilities
just because i said so
im disabled im a regular item bar gamer /j
but yeah im trying to get used to using 123 for my abilities
warm sonnet
Not a bad idea to bring up tbh
at worst, it'll give a poor programmer fourteen days of overtime
warm sonnet
Ya
autumn field
scrolling is functionally a macro
left click activates "shoot"
so each scroll would simply say, "change to press 1"
or "change to press 2"
warm sonnet
being able to tie a scroll direction with an ability oughta be possible, right?
autumn field
you can do that yes
warm sonnet
they're not used for anything at the moment
well, now you need two more directions and you're set
autumn field
you can do something like
warm sonnet
Scroll up - Ability 1
Scroll down - Ability 2
ALT + Scroll up - Ability 3
ALT + Scroll down - Ability 4
autumn field
actually
wait
i know what id do
scross up for 1, scroll down for 2, press E for 3/4
q for dash (personal habit)
warm sonnet
Hey, it's your keyboard
autumn field
and side mouse button for melee
warm sonnet
I do bind melee and parry to my side-mouse buttons
autumn field
i think my platonic ideal would be
QW[JOYSTICK]
ASD
Less of a piano lesson to play the game that way
autumn field
i might be tempted to try
QWER
ASDF
where E is ability 1, F is ability 2
and then scroll up/down for 3/4
and of course, altbinding to 1234
and side buttons for parry/melee
parry is such an interesting choice tbh
this game is ridiculous with the skill expression
almost excessive-feeling
The Finals actually suffers from the skill expression side of things
because it's built as a true competitive shooter, which ends up having flattening of things due to pros being able to exploit every last drop of micro, such as the ks23 + quick melee combo (120 + 30 = 150 dmg = kill) getting removed since at very high levels thats very easy to do
and then it comes down to macro, which people dont actually focus on since it's a competitive shooter and that means pure micro
so Deadlock is ironically much better suited since the core progression mechanic of orbs requires macro knowledge to use right, and specific counterplay
warm sonnet
Oh yeah
autumn field
my only issue is deadlock is kinda like tarkov in the sense of required knowledge/skill
not to the same ridiculous extent that is tarkov
but movement is quite complex, items are very important, minions, the orbs, midboss, enemy item choice, counter-picks and countering counterpicks, enemy positioning, blah blah blah
warm sonnet
The reality of skill is that you need time to develop it. There's very few things that can cut that bone out of a game built on knowledge of the map and systems and characters and items.
Good gameplay comes out of informed choice
So you need to learn
autumn field
yeah
warm sonnet
which takes soooooo much time
autumn field
some games are "flatter" with their knowledge curve
like, Apex Legends is quite a bit flatter
once more, street brawl is amazing
a varient where you get an escalating budget of say, 7/14/21/28k would be lovely too
i really love street brawl, ideal
warm sonnet
There is a feedback loop to the lane-fighter style of gameplay
Early Macro - character choices, lane choice, first items
Early Micro - Defending early towers, getting early money
Mid Macro - Core items, counter items, objectives
Mid Micro - pushes, team fight, ganking and defense
Late Macro - Controlling opponent's farm, objectives
Late Micro - Base dives, team fight continued, base defense
Only by having good macro can you outweigh bad micro, but good macro stumbles if all you can do is get loot but lose fights. By taking a counter-item, you make an enemy less of a micro problem. But ganking a losing lane can overcome the macro issue it causes.
autumn field
yeah
it's kinda why gamemodes that can compartmentalize the micro/macro aspects are nice to have
it's hard to focus on macro, but if you can reduce the overall burden somehow, it'd be lovely
i play victor a lot cuz he's an anti-punishment tool
his skills ask that you're in someone's general vicinity, he has self-heal, and then he has a revive
also
victor's jumpstart deals like, 115 damage
it heals for 100
warm sonnet
15% of 770 is about 115
autumn field
yeah
warm sonnet
But it is based on current health, so you can hurt yourself less too
but yeah I misread bigtime
warm sonnet
so if you're at full health you won't recover that 15
But at half healf it will recover way more, proportionally
autumn field
healing tempo helps a lot
vivid nimbus
I've been maining McGinnis since big lady and little turrets are both things that appeal to me, but I've also been trialing the rest of the cast too
autumn field
dear deadlock gods
vivid nimbus
She has so much lane control even outside the lane phase
autumn field
make apollo true melee with hypermobility teleport behind you gameplay please
amen
awomen
warm sonnet
athem
autumn field
anonbinary
autumn field
night night
warm sonnet
🛏️
buoyant plank
There is a feedback loop to the lane-fighter style of gameplay
Early Macro - cha...
Please, all my macro and micro is mid
warm sonnet
At least you have a lane of choice
ivory reef
mina you just knockdown when she ults
Mina tip: she can actually reposition mid ult using sanguine retreat and dodge effects that way. Lets me dodge knockdown
I don't think any minas at our skill level can do that and it's still very useful to force her to use it off tempo
But it's not as strong as it is against others
warped ridge
I uhh
Didn't wanna say it but like
When I looked at what the Minas I was playing against were doing it def didn't look too hard.
But tbf I played Bastet through a lot of her changes in smite 1
So yeah what you're saying tracks Winged cause her skill ceiling is higher than what most people have explored
Doubly so with a blink item
Idk if that exists in Deadlock
I assume it does tho
Idk if Blink would be healthy cause like
If such an item existed you could cheese map position and go through floors, ceilings, and walls
Cause Smite doesn't have multiple levels
I guess it would be given how specific items are cause then you're giving up an item slot for a teleport
I would 100% use it as like Haze
astral lava
warp stone is blink
stable forum
make apollo true melee with hypermobility teleport behind you gameplay please
apollo will definitely be high mobility, iunno about teleport behind you. I dunno about melee either.
Deadlock rather doesn't work with dedicated melee characters. Characters can be good at melee, but a character being just melee would have a lot of trouble interacting with the whole 'souls' mechanic thingy.
Billy is probably the closest? He's very, very good at melee. Not super high mobility though.
you can buy Magic Carpet on Billy though
stable forum
If such an item existed you could cheese map position and go through floors, cei...
blink exists in Warp Stone as others have said, but it's not a thing which lets you go through walls.
warped ridge
Rip
stable forum
both it and Wraith's teleport get pretty aggressively stopped by walls
Warp Stone is v. fast as a blink though, though it's not super long ranged.
agile void
there is the dynamo blink but dynamo himself is still stopped by walls
stable forum
Ability Range increases it but it's kinda hard to buy Ability Range (unless you're dynamo)
stable forum
there is the dynamo blink but dynamo himself is still stopped by walls
yeah, it can grab people through walls but cannot go through walls
Dynamo's blink is more of a slow iframey thing rather than go-fast-run-on-walls-kill-people blink
stable forum
make apollo true melee with hypermobility teleport behind you gameplay please
wait actually you should try The Lash if you haven't
he's pretty great
high mobility, encouraged to buy mobility items, can absolutely build for an assassiney playstyle (it's what a lot of high level players default to, I think?) Not exactly melee unless you count the whole 'does a divekick' thing
stray arch
Street Brawl is a blast
stable forum
a lot of hazes build for carry but she is primarily a big roamer/assasin
haze doesn't quite do the schmoovement stuff
merry verge
Doorman has a ton of fun movement options, great baseline stats and The Door is just. It's wild what the man do
He's actually someone I like some ability range on, you can just crossmap
not quite melee though
finite patrol
door man is ridiculously deep
i need to spend some time learning placements with the various item progressions
torn gulch
Can someone give me a competent guide on how the fuck do I effectively play Deadlock. I feel extremely clueless about what should I do
frail jasper
I have just the thing for you
finite patrol
torn gulch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrcJ9h4mulc&pp=ygURZGVhZGxvY2sgZW1wbG95ZWQ%3D
I am technically employed but also emerald in league but I think this will work.
Thank you
finite patrol
Also check the pin, there's a list of builds curated by deathydl (who also makes great educational content for deadlock)
frail jasper
other than that video, it's just a lot of fundamentals to learn and practice over time. Movement tech, reading the map state, learning how to farm souls efficiently (lane > camps > boxes), and so on
esp. if you find good builds that are annotated to explain why items are picked
finite patrol
yeah most of the builds in there have some guide but not all of them (it is a lot of work to keep annotations up to date in an alpha test)
You cant go too wrong with any of the Top Daily builds though
vivid nimbus
apollo will definitely be high mobility, iunno about teleport behind you. I dun...
Well you can punch the troopers to death, and has advantages in that it can't be denied
vivid nimbus
Graves gang!
rich grove
doorman/paige are theoretically pretty painful experiences in lane because both have non functional guns for claiming souls at basically any range
having a literally non functional gun would be pretty difficult
vivid nimbus
Doorman has a bad gun for that? Huh
I have been unhappy securing with Kelvin's too tho
rich grove
Doorman has a bad gun for that? Huh
easy to have a creep die while your gun is cycling
the bullets are the size of houses but between slow travel time and slow RPM you just get fucked sometimes
Kevin is a mix of slow movement and horrendous arc
but he has beam at least
which secures for ??? reasons
rich grove
doorman/paige are theoretically pretty painful experiences in lane because both ...
I say theoretically because paige's 2 sometimes just wins lane by existing and doorman can throw atom bombs but you have to pray your teammate is breathing if you want CS
vivid nimbus
I never thought about using beam to secure in lane, hmm
rich grove
I don't think it's optimal to go out and say "I will beam for CS" but I've gotten some nice value out of quickly flicking to nearby souls while I'm poking with it
autumn field
apollo will definitely be high mobility, iunno about teleport behind you. I dun...
Teleport behind you isn’t literal, it’s more like, being fast enough to outpace people
But yeah i wouldn’t mind if its like, a wide close range arc attack, shotgun, etc
Right click long range pierce
I should play drifter
finite patrol
Graves gang!
yesss! undying is my favourite doter
I don't think she'll get in before silver rem and ven tho
frail jasper
doorman/paige are theoretically pretty painful experiences in lane because both ...
I love denying souls with paige's stupid letter bullets
the timing is awful but it is possible
A few times I've tried getting High Velocity Rounds as first item on Paige just to make lane that much more oppressive
finite patrol
Doorman has a bad gun for that? Huh
doorman gun is not good for claiming souls but it is very good for beating the shit out of your opponents
I think he's a good laner because of that but your lane mate has to be on top of claiming souls
stray arch
It can be done. Paige also works well for hurting them while they go for souls though. Getting 1 creep with a melee in exchange for eating a dragon isn’t a good call but people love making it
rich grove
I love denying souls with paige's stupid letter bullets
if you do it you feel like a gigachad
its like
ultimate flex
you are simply better at them at knowing when a creep will die
finite patrol
yeah whenever I deny as doorman I get the awful urge to type "?" in all chat
I would never do this but
it does seem like something doorman would do
autumn field
I love how our two current patrons are like
The King in Yellow
and
Really High Elf
twilit roost
Archmother 4 life, get this stinky hobo god out of here
autumn field
Honestly though, it’s just not a book that interests me lmao
vivid nimbus
Archmother also definitely has some sort of old god thing going on
finite patrol
the goddess of gentrification
vestal hearth
She's gonna turn my house into a Starbucks.
agile void
merry verge
Maybe the new game mode makes it confused, though I've had similar happen in a normal game to a lesser extent
does at times feel a bit 'randomly choose between these'
autumn field
huhhhhhh
warped ridge
I keep that off
I don't know every single build and item in the game to play with that on
autumn field
huh
merry verge
Ohh yeah yeah, they did this for the last crew. Everyones' shadows lingering about the lobby.
So svelte, Apollo
warped ridge
I need to figure out good items for haze for brawl
I feel like she's too gun build focused
unkempt kernel
Funny how batbook took off
merry verge
Do they have lines ingame? I do keep finding fanart
Also a post about 'Geist being a better-designed vampire than Mina or Drifter' woman is not a vampire she's a crone with a ghost inside, c'mon now
vestal hearth
Personally, like the different breeds of vamps we have.
merry verge
I'm a big fan! They called Mina and Drifter 'too obvious' which.. Mina is leaning into it because she's clingy and desperate for power, fashion-minded, it makes sense. Drifter complaint doesn't even make sense to me
vestal hearth
Just shows they can do a lot with the same base concept.
warped ridge
nah drifter makes sense
he's the cool chill guy vampire that is the cool guy because he isn't some tryhard
that trope
vestal hearth
I wonder what different types of lycans there will be.
vivid nimbus
finite patrol
I would not describe drifter as chill
agile void
torn gulch
other than that video, it's just a lot of fundamentals to learn and practice ove...
Also I wish NYC explore wasn't broken so I could practice movement.
vivid nimbus
There's workarounds AIUI
But using the workarounds means you have to do some things via console command instead of the menu
Just saw the piano used on a stream, that shit is hilarious
stable forum
I need to figure out good items for haze for brawl
fun secret
dagger does 500 damage
spirit gives ammo
warped ridge
spirit gives ammo
merry verge
There's a few characters with secret little passives, Spirit gives Paige melee damage..
Do M&K get extra health from something or are they just like that
warped ridge
There's a few characters with secret little passives, Spirit gives Paige melee d...
the worst part about me
I'm a fuckin hipster already
I look at the new chars and go "SCOPE CREEEEEP"
"back in my day we CLICKED HEADS, and we LIKED IT"
I respect the bellboy though
it's valves way of trying to let Splitgate exist after it flopped
vivid nimbus
I strongly suspect Venator is going to be a head clicker
stable forum
https://tenor.com/view/without-words-speechless-dumbstruck-shocked-repeat-gif-49...
did you not know that haze gains a base ammo for every 2 spirit?
it applies before ammo multipliers
It's, uh, sort of central to building haze IMO?
warped ridge
did you not know that haze gains a base ammo for every 2 spirit?
you think I read
you overestimate my ability to play mobas
and unestimate my skill in clicking m1
stable forum
that and Fixation
stable forum
yes that
essentially haze just takes ammo, spirit, attack speed and lifesteal
and like, durability
and you ignore basically everything else
warped ridge
for haze I just know toxic bullets + tesla bullets
warped ridge
fire rate + infinite magazine I think
stable forum
gun damage is fake
(gun damage does not apply to Fixation)
autumn field
vyper is peak
stable forum
ah right you also really want shreds
merry verge
Drifter's kit isn't like complicated
Not every new folk is gonna be Super Technical I bet
autumn field
drifter is kinda really simple
stable forum
ah right you also really want shreds
or APR / infinite ammo
vivid nimbus
Yeah AIUI gun builds is mostly just get fire rate and maybe useful passives because you get damage incidentally from investment
rich grove
if you have literally three buttons you don't get to be that complex
autumn field
it's just... "abush, click enemy"
stable forum
but for haze specifically you do not buy any gun damage ever
(except like, Glass sometimes)
rich grove
her base gun damage is worse than ivy's
rich grove
so +% is generally pretty pathetic
merry verge
yamato is a very technical three buttons
merry verge
charged slash is just Third Gun
stable forum
flying strike obviously isn't a real button
rich grove
drifter's 3 is just a stat buff
stable forum
flying strike is sooo sloooow
rich grove
that shit is so funny for when you see people try to break it
merry verge
it looks so jank 100% of the time
rich grove
and it just doesn't
stable forum
this is the upside to flying strike
rich grove
that's not how this works bozo get over here
stable forum
the downside is it takes eight years to complete
rich grove
in fairness most times I see it used you just cancel so you can slap your opponent on the ass
merry verge
Drifter 2 could never be so hilarious v-v
rich grove
for that sweet sweet spirit snatch proc
vivid nimbus
Oh I thought people were gonna say Yamato's 4 doesn't count because it's just a steroid
rich grove
it refreshes all her abilities :v
stable forum
in fairness most times I see it used you just cancel so you can slap your oppone...
it's cancellable???
merry verge
i shan't disrespect an install super
warped ridge
yamato's 4 is just a button to reset her 1 2 and 3
stable forum
i thought it isn't cancellable and only cancels if the target dies?
stable forum
yamato's 4 is just a button to reset her 1 2 and 3
it also purges all debuffs and makes you not-quite-invincible
merry verge
it's a good button
stable forum
(it doesn't say it purges all debuffs, but it does)
rich grove
n
no
maybe they removed it, but cancelling it to keep momentum was a large part of its use case for a while
vivid nimbus
(it doesn't say it purges all debuffs, but it does)
[...] You gain immunity to negative status effects and have greatly increased bullet and spirit resist. [...]
rich grove
you could just fling yourself at your opponent, get the love tap and then run their pockets with the -1 billion resist
immunity isn't quite purging
stable forum
> [...] You gain immunity to negative status effects and have greatly increased ...
oh the immunity to negative status effects is just something completely different
it's fucked up and awful but essentially
that is specifically referring to 'disables'
vivid nimbus
Ahh I see
stable forum
that works exactly the same as Unstoppable
stable forum
it doesn't prevent Infernus's Afterburn or whatever
rich grove
can yam 4 purge pocket 4
stable forum
but Yamato's ult does purge Afterburn
(but Infernus can still reapply it)
I hate this language
stable forum
can yam 4 purge pocket 4
probably? Divine removes it.
rich grove
yeah figured was just the first thing that came to mind as an example of a debuff that would last longer than your ult
vivid nimbus
probably? Divine removes it.
I remember some things say "non-ult", so in a non-described effect we can't assume
rich grove
so if it was just "you don't suffer from debuffs from the duration" theoretically you would take 0 dot while ulting, then keep taking dot
no debuff remover and vic 2 for example specify non ult
it used to be debuff remover could purge ults
stable forum
I remember some things say "non-ult", so in a non-described effect we can't assu...
yeah, DBR specifies non-ult
rich grove
so purging all is the default
stable forum
Yamato's thing doesn't specify that it removes debuffs at allll
stable forum
(i think it's part of turning invulnerable??? but other invuln effects don't do this????)
stable forum
yeah Yamato's ult removes Affliction
it just kind of purges every debuff ever but doesn't say that it does this
rich grove
dumb
bleak thicket
im sure it will only take them a few years to fix most text irregularities
dont mind the new ones theyll introduce
rich grove
anyway yes yama ult is like DI but because it's good you can't call it DI
bleak thicket
rich grove
it is worthy of the RADIOOOO drop when she pops that shit though
because you need to be Out of the area
vivid nimbus
im sure it will only take them a few years to fix most text irregularities
How's Valve's track record with Dota text irregularities?
rich grove
stable forum
anyway yes yama ult is like DI but because it's good you can't call it DI
...DI?
bleak thicket
theres still like 4 different fear variants
rich grove
dragon install
bleak thicket
and at least 2 sleep effect variants
stable forum
ah
bleak thicket
and also
dota has this long established thing
where you cant be magic immune and ethereal at the same time
cause that makes you fully immune
except for a whole year you could be
cause they changed magic immune to magic resistance
and forgot to update the ethereal interaction
rich grove
